Full Show Podcast: 25 May 2025

On The Resident Builder with Pete Wolfkamp Full Show Podcast for 25th May 2025, Pete explains how to treat timber-rot, where to go for scaffolding, how to tackle Dux Qest pipe-bursts, and ensuring you have a fair quote.

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Speaker 5 (01:33):
And a very very good morning and welcome along to
the Resident Builder on Sunday. That's with me, Peter wolf Camp,
the Resident Builder. We are talking all things building construction,
the rules, the regulations, the products, the selection of various
items that all come together to make your house hopefully
a home. We can talk about contractors, we can talk about,

(01:54):
like I say, legislation changes, the legislation. There's plenty of
that happening at the moment proposed changes, and we can
talk about the fact that next weekend is a long weekend,
isn't it. It is King's Birthday weekend. So maybe you've
got a job that you're thinking, well, I don't really
have time to do it in two days, but hey,
three days could be the tipping point. Three days could
be the opportunity to crack through a particular project. It'd

(02:18):
be really interesting to see what projects you've got hopefully
long term forecast and look that great for the end
of this week, but there might be some indoor jobs
you want to try and achieve over the course of
next week. A couple of things on the show today.
Our painting expert Jay Sharples from Razine Color Shops from
Razine Paints, will be back with us from seven to

(02:41):
twenty five, so we'll be taking text questions there from
you to Jay Tricky the better anything to do with
painting preparation, paint selection, those sorts of things probably not
going to give you a lot of help in terms
of choosing the color. That's very much up to you.
But once you've made your color choice, we can certainly

(03:01):
help with the technical advice around getting a really good
painting job. And to be I think we're starting to
get the message that really painting is all about systems
now in terms of this product goes with this one
to achieve an end result. And I'm thinking about a
job that I finally got finished this week, timber post

(03:23):
that needed to be replaced. It was a laminated post,
it had already been primed. I had to do some shamfering.
I had to make some decorative elements to it. I
had to cut the top and the bottom off, et cetera,
half house the top and then seal all of that.
Then I sanded the original primer back and then I
applied a new coat of oil based primer on it

(03:45):
to lock it all in place. Then went ahead and
put a water borne primer over the top, which is
a good adhesion primer to my eventual top coat. So
it's all around systems sometimes with painting. So we can
talk about that as well. And then we're into the
garden of course with through climb pass from around seven
point thirty as well. But if if you've got a

(04:06):
building question, let's get into it. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call, and Rod
a very good morning.

Speaker 6 (04:15):
Yeah, good morning for you. Good morning, my first time calling.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
Nice of you to call, nice to hear from you.

Speaker 6 (04:20):
Thank you very much. Hey, look, I want to see
and help me. I've got one of these prefabricated cabins
in our garden and it's rot has set into some
of the corners. So it's some of these ones which
has got like the corner's over lock and a T shape,
so it's it's got like three corners on it. But
the rain has got into it and it's got a
bit of rot. And I was thinking to basically break

(04:43):
out the rot and then fill it with bog. But
what would you recommend? Is there some sort of preservative
or something I should put in?

Speaker 5 (04:50):
Yeah, there's a couple of things there. So obviously it's
it's timber on the exterior. How old's the cabin because
realistically it's shouldn't rot that any.

Speaker 6 (05:01):
It's only four years old. It's only been in for
four years. But yeah, it's I think, well, it's been
fully painted and everything in the time it's been in.
But I think it's a bit of a floor and
the sign perhaps, Yeah, sure, it just gets under those
those external external corners. There's no flashings or things on
the corners.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
So yeah, okay, And how extensive is the rotted part,
the part that's gone soft your.

Speaker 6 (05:27):
Fist or yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's it's it's it's
smaller than my head. Actually, there's two parts to one
is on the back corner. Yes, it had it had
it had no down pipe on it, so it's off
the ground there and that's right. It out pretty bad.
But on the other corners, it's just a little bit
in some of the other corners, okay.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
I mean sometimes the challenge with fetching out some rot
and filling it with a product something you mix up
right and mad in there is whether or not there's
enough solid material for that to hold on to. Right,
So as long as it's well supported and there's a
small area of decay, but it's surrounded by an area

(06:10):
that you're whatever bonding agent you're going to use or
whatever filling agent you're going to use, can actually stick
to something, then that's a good approach to take. Sometimes
you might find that exactly what I well, in a sense,
what I had there a little while ago. So I
was picking out a little bit of rot on a
veranda post right by the time I picked it out,

(06:31):
my putty knife had gone from one side to the other.
I went right through it, and I thought, well, I
can cut the post off and put in a piece
and make a join that will be strong and all
the rest of it, or I'll just pull the whole
post out, which is what I ended up doing. So
I pulled the post out, got another one, copied all
the detail, put the new one in. So I just

(06:51):
wonder whether, if it's like a box corner, for all
of the time and effort that you might spend fetching
out a little piece of rot and filling it and
so on and so forth, could you look at or
maybe get some advice on it. You know, pull the
box corner off, buy some new timber, replace that, and
chances are the timber that you're going to replace it
with will have a higher treatment level than what they

(07:13):
might have used, So you might want to use H
three point two. But let's say there's just a small
area of ro that you want to fix out. You
can cut out or just scrape out any loose material.
There are some timber preservatives like metal X for example,
that will help prevent further rot to that area. There's

(07:33):
also a product that I picked up the other day
called basically wood hardener, right, which you just flood the
area with this product and you don't let it dry.
You keep applying it until it gets like a gloss
on it, and then once it's saturated, you let it
dry and it literally hardens up all of that slightly
soft fibrous material around the edge of the rotten area.

(07:57):
And then my go to in terms of those sorts
of repairs is a product called repair Care, which is
a two part compound. They both come in a tube,
so like a corking tube, you mix them together. If
you're doing a lot of it, you can buy a
special corking gun that's got two pistons in it so

(08:18):
you can discharge it at the same time. Otherwise, I've
kind of just figured out the proportions and extruded them out,
mixed this together and it's it's has some adhesive qualities
to it, but also once it hardens, you can sand
it and paint it. So that's Repair Care and you
get that from the Razine shops.

Speaker 6 (08:39):
That's fantastic. Yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
So there's a little bit.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
Of stuff in there, but you know, if you're going
to open up that area, do make sure you add
a timber preservative, just to stop any rot that might
still be there from extending. Okay, all the best, take care.
I mean, look, it's not unfair to say you would
expect the exterior cladding to last longer than four years,

(09:03):
even if it is getting saturated with stormwater coming off
the roof that doesn't have a downpipe. But I mean,
I'm still grizzling at the fact that I'm replacing decking
boards that are twenty years old because it was LSOP
treated timber and it just hasn't lasted. There's a slight
irony at the fact that the deck that I built

(09:24):
at the back of the house twenty something years ago,
the boards have started to rot. When I step out
the front of the house onto the calorie boards that
were put down in nineteen oh five, the majority of those,
probably ninety percent of those, are actually still in really
good condition and untreated. Of course, it is sixteen minutes
after six oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

(09:46):
the number to call. You can text through as well
if you've got a comment or a question. That's nine
two nine two is ZBZB please text through your painting
questions for Jay, our painting expert, and we'll be back
to talk to Trevor straight after the break.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Whether you're painting was ceiling, fixing with feds, or wondering
how to fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter Wolfgavicle,
the resident builder on Youth Dogs two.

Speaker 5 (10:11):
This is an interesting text that's just come through and
I'll dig into it. But hey, Peter w thank you
very much. Is there an available database of renovation projects?
Looking to use it to estimate a reno project cost
and duration? To the best of my knowledge, there isn't
one guy that does provide a truckload of data around

(10:35):
construction and so on. He's been interviewed, I think on
this station a couple of times. Mike Blackburn out of
christ Church does analysis of particularly building consents and that
sort of thing. Whether or not he's got data around that,
but check him out online. He's very very active online
with a lot of really really good information. So Mike

(10:56):
Blackburn out of christ Church might have something, but that's
a I'll bear that in mind. I don't know if
there is something like that. Trevor, very good morning to you.

Speaker 7 (11:09):
Yes, good morning, Peace, from gislon good morning. Thank you
for your excellent program. Mate, you're revelating to all other
people who haven't got too much knowledge about building.

Speaker 5 (11:19):
Mate.

Speaker 7 (11:22):
Yeah, my problem is that when we bought our house
in September twenty and twelve, we were unaware that the
house was fitted out with this quest Ducks poly beautiy
in pipe providing water to various parts of the house. Well,
since then we've had five failings of the pipe, which
is meant you've had to call in a plumber to

(11:44):
come and replace the pipe. And talking to the Laiser
plumbing boys, they tell me that there's hundreds and thousands
of people have been affected by the failure of this pipe.
And you know we're pensioners, part up pensioners having to
fork out money each time the pipe fails. It's caused

(12:09):
softening up the brawboards around the hot water cylinder where
it do birth. And just recently another pipe burst underneath
the spare bedroom and we've got writing billboards. And also
the last plumber reported black mold and he said that's up.
It's pretty toxic and get onto it and get to

(12:31):
get rid of it if you can. But you know,
I'm a seventy five year old pension and I'm not
calling underneath the house or have that ability as well,
you know, and we've had news from a couple in
Hawk's Bad that the actual these pipes are in the
walls of the house and the total replacement was eighty

(12:54):
thousand dollars. Now, when you do a Google search, they
reckon between three thousand and seven thousand dollars to work.
In the situation, I think it's worthwhile claiming to our
insurance company about this.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
Well, that was going to be my next question. Actually,
what's been the response from your insurer? Because typically insurers
will pay out on this, but because it is a
well and I'm basing this off sort of firsthand experience
in the sense that I know someone who has that
system inside their house, the first couple of claims were like,

(13:33):
oh gosh, I wonder what happened here, and then a
growing awareness that it was essentially a systemic failure to
use that well known phrase around the Ducks quest or
the quix Ducks system. So the approach from that particular
insurer was, you know, will will pay out one more time,

(13:56):
but thereafter we're not going to pay out because it's
just a maintenance issue. Now you know that you've got
something that's not working, We're not going to keep paying
you out every time an elbow bursts. The solution for
them was to work with their plumber and builder to
find a way of re routing or replacing pipework in

(14:17):
the most cost effective way that they could. But the
ultimately the only solution is to replace it.

Speaker 7 (14:25):
Yeah, well, we've got a five hundred dollars access on
our building insurance anyway, so more than five hundred dollars to.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
It probably will. But there's a couple of things that
might make it a little bit more affordable. So for example,
if there's an accessible roof space like trusses that you
can get around in. If for example, there's an underfloor
crawl space so that you know, plumbers can come along,
get access to the underside of the house, get access

(14:55):
to the attic, and in some cases, yet where it
gets disruptive is, for example, I had my plumber around
on Friday to a job and we place to basin tap.
Now I know that the pipes come up from underneath
the floor into the wall to a wing back behind
the cabinet, and so if there was a fault with that. Essentially,

(15:17):
i'd need to take the vanity off the wall, maybe
cut through the tiles a bit, take the wing back off,
pull the pipe down, slide a new one up, make
the crimp onto the wing back. So you know, it's
the cutting through plaster board, opening up walls, patching that
that makes it a more expensive project. I don't know
that on a relatively straightforward house, I can't see it

(15:39):
being a fifty or sixty thousand dollar job. So I
guess if you can make a claim to your insurer,
be really honest with them, and then take that money
and go right, I'm going to use that to part
fund the work, and then working with a couple of
smart plumbers and chippy's, you might be able to find
that you can get the bulk of the work done
for what your insurance pay out. That's probably your best

(16:01):
case scenario.

Speaker 7 (16:03):
Yeah, well our house is are lockwood, so we don't
have any cavity.

Speaker 5 (16:08):
Oh okay, all right. That does make it more challenging.

Speaker 7 (16:11):
But a good calling space for a midget plumber.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
Yeah, young foot, energetic, young plumber. They'll be in there
like a raight up a drain pipe.

Speaker 7 (16:22):
Yeah, just out of school mate.

Speaker 5 (16:25):
No, no, no, you don't want someone who's distracted by
scrolling Instagram on their phone. You want someone who's in
there and just going for it. But look, I think Trevor,
unfortunately the best solution going forward is to do a
replacement because in the end, you know, the bit that
doesn't break will break later on. That's the really, really
frustrating thing about it, right, Good luck with that, mate,

(16:46):
all the best and thanks for calling. Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Twenty
six minutes after six Ellison, good morning.

Speaker 8 (16:54):
Good morning pig. I've got a nineteen forty nine house
and the south side timber is rotting and I'm getting
it replaced in the next year twelve months time, when
I've got the money. What I'm ringing about is I

(17:15):
have to get scaffolding for the people to climb up.
Who supplies to safety get? And where do I get that?
If buy have to supply it?

Speaker 5 (17:24):
Sure? Roughly where are you in the country.

Speaker 8 (17:29):
Nine to nine?

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (17:30):
Oh well, look there'll be lots of scaffolders working out
of either Wellington or in the hut. I was in
the hut the other day. I'm sure there were scaffolders there.
So it depends a little bit on in some ways.
It's actually well, I know, you as the householder might
want to provide scaffolding for the contractors, but really the
contractors could include the price of the scaffolding in their

(17:53):
work right, and so most contractors we might have a
couple of mobile towers for example, you know the aluminium
towers that knock down. Almost all builders that I know
have got their own set of you know, relatively small
tower that means you can get up and do maintenance
work to a certain height. Now, if, for example, you

(18:14):
need to scaffold an entire elevation because it's weather boards
and you want to get from one end to a board,
then typically you'll just go out and get pricing from
a scaffolder for that work. Prices do vary quite a lot.
One of the things I've noticed recently is over the years,
typically if you booked scaffolding, there would be an upfront

(18:36):
cost that would be for them to arrive, assemble all
of the scaffolding, ticket it and get it ready, and
then typically you would have one month's rent included in
that right, and thereafter you pay on a weekly basis
for the rent. I've noticed that that one month is
shortened to one week, so just beware of that too.

(18:58):
And it's really important that you say to your contractor
when they're coming to do the work. If I'm going
to put the scaffolding up, for example, on the first
of May, I want you there on the first of May.
I don't want you turning up ten days later, because
that's that's going to cost you in the long run.
So I think if it's I would talk to your
contractor first and go can you provide your own scaffolding,

(19:19):
which is not uncommon otherwise it is work done by
qualified people. And they'll come, they'll set it up, they'll
make sure that there's safe access onto the platform, so
whether that's a ladder or a platform or set of stairs,
it doesn't sound like it needs to be that extensive.
And then they'll come and take it away at the

(19:39):
end as well.

Speaker 8 (19:41):
And what about safety gear for them to wear them
when they're up.

Speaker 5 (19:44):
No, I don't believe that you should be supplying any
safety gear to your contractors. That's their responsibility or that's
that's the attitude that I would take. And also if
they're on the scaffold. They don't need to be harnessed
or anything like that if they're on the scaffold.

Speaker 8 (20:02):
And the scaffolding guy could tell me on this, Oh absolutely.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
But you know, ideally with this sort of thing, you know,
chances are when you get your builder or your contractor
to do the work, they will already have contacts and
relationships with scaffolding contractors. They should be able to help
you out.

Speaker 8 (20:21):
I just thought i'd give you a corner and good,
But somebody was up on a roof somewhere and they
fell off and their love stars not too pretty. Now.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
No, it's look, I've got one project that I'm supervising
at the moment where the guys will need to be
on a roof. It's only first floor. And I had
the guys from Orange Scaffold and on Friday doing edge
protection all the way around, because I want them to
be able to work safely, that's the most important thing,
but also efficiently and not be thinking about, gosh, what

(20:55):
happens if I slip or whatever, especially at this time
of year, so edge protection is really important. But it
sounds like most of the work that you need done
will be off a scaffold, not necessarily off the roof
on good luck Ellison sounds thank you very much for
all of very best to you. You take care, take care.
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call Judy.
Good morning to.

Speaker 9 (21:15):
You, Oh, good morning, thanks for calling back. I'm going
to have my roof sprayed for mold and moss yep.
And do you have to have scaffolding around the house
for them to do that?

Speaker 5 (21:31):
Not necessarily? And again, like as a homeowner, I guess
you've got a duty of care to make sure that
people are safe. But ultimately the contractors themselves, they should
actually be saying to you, this is how we're going
to do the job safely. So a lot of contractors
who will do like roof spraying and treatment and that

(21:52):
sort of thing, they will wear a harness, they'll have
an anchor point, they'll have a system, they'll have a
methodology for going This is how we secure our ropes.
This is this is the training that we've given to
our contractors in order for them to act and be
safe on the roof. And because they're moving around a lot,
often they will just go ahead and do that with

(22:15):
a harness for example, and that's completely up to them. Certainly,
whatever anyone does on the roof, they do need to
prove that what they're doing is safe right now, whether
that's edge protection or a harness, that's up to them
to sort out.

Speaker 9 (22:29):
Well, it seems they've been in the business for since
nineteen fifty nine and they say there's only one year's guarantee.

Speaker 5 (22:40):
On the seilant right, So is it a concrete tolerance
for me?

Speaker 9 (22:43):
They're spraying to get rid of the like it a
moss growing all overrom one side of the house. The
others are right because one side never gets the sun
because there's trees about four meters right, and I'm really
below that as well. So you wouldn't need to be
paying five hundred dollars every year to get it done.

Speaker 5 (23:05):
Again, No, I mean typically it's up to you, of course,
but I know that typically if you're going to do that.
So it's a concrete tile roof, isn't it. No, it's
just just a metal roof, okay. And what are you seeing?
Are you seeing like and growing on top of the roof?

Speaker 10 (23:21):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (23:22):
Yes, okay, yeah, definitely on one side they say that
they use a bron mentally ye, that it's.

Speaker 5 (23:35):
Okay. So they're going to come along, they're going to
treat it. Are they then going to actively remove it?
Like is it a two step process or is it
a one step process? They apply something and then.

Speaker 9 (23:47):
Well, we didn't actually explain it. He just said, you know,
they were just going to spray it and that would
take a while for you to see it dying.

Speaker 5 (23:57):
Sure, that's that's to be expected.

Speaker 9 (23:58):
Yeah, and five hundred dollars. That's a reasonable price.

Speaker 5 (24:03):
Yes, I think so. Sorry in my notes, it's is
that it's five thousand dollars, but it's not as that
it's five hundred dollars for them to co and treat
the roof.

Speaker 9 (24:11):
Yeah, and look like, sorry, I don't have to be there.

Speaker 5 (24:16):
They said, no, that's fair enough. Look, I tell you what,
And I think this is good advice, hopefully for anyone,
you know, working with someone that they're not familiar with.
Let's say, is to ask them for a telephone number
of someone who has had the work done recently, so
it might be someone like yourself that they did a

(24:37):
job for three weeks ago, and say, look, could you
give me a number of someone that is happy to
talk to me about your work? And then you wring
them and you go, Hi, it's you know, duty here,
and I've got this company coming to do the work.
They did your job a little while ago. Were you
happy with it?

Speaker 9 (24:55):
Yes, okay, that's fine.

Speaker 5 (24:57):
Yeah I would do that. But otherwise, and look, it
is actually important to do it because that like and
growth will actually start to degrade the coating on the
iron roof, on the color steel roof or whatever.

Speaker 9 (25:09):
But they have given me explain that, Okay, it's worth doing.

Speaker 11 (25:13):
Yeah, oh I know that.

Speaker 9 (25:15):
Well, thanks for your leisure.

Speaker 5 (25:16):
Nice to talk to you all the best. And I
don't I guess as consumers, As customers, we shouldn't be
shy about saying, hey, can I talk to someone who
you did a job for recently? And you know, if
a contract is reluctant to hand out a number or
something like that, it might take them a day or so.
Maybe they'll ring someone and say, look, do you mind

(25:39):
if in this case, Judy gives you a call to
talk about the roof treatment. They might want to give
the get their permission first, or they might either way.
I think that if you're working with a contractor and
they're reluctant to let you talk to someone who they've
worked for previously. Then that's probably a little bit of

(25:59):
a red flag around how the job's going to go
at your place as well. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number we need to take a break.
Should we do that? Let's do that, Paul, we'll talk
to you straight after the break.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
A squeaky door or it's squeakie floor.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcap, the resident builder
on Newstalk SEB.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
I'm just thinking back to last week where I got
on my hobby horse and I rode it into the
sunset about that article about that was on the front
page of the Herald around council telling villa owner that
they needed to remove double glazing because it didn't comply
with heritage standards and that's a breach of resource consent ETCA,

(26:41):
except or they needed to get a retrospective resource consent
for the work that they'd done. Now, frankly, it was misleading.
We've been through that in the sense that council don't
have an issue with double glazing. They have an issue
with unsympathetic aluminium joinery being installed into heritage into a
heritage building. Right, So the issue is not the double glazing,

(27:04):
very clear about that. It's not the double glaze. It
is absolutely about the way in which they went about
installing the double glazing and the frames that they went
into anyway, and then I was thinking, shivers, I've done this.
So I did a renovation a couple of years ago,
and we've put it together and put a feature up

(27:24):
on YouTube. So if you want to see what working
on double hung sash windows looks like in terms of
upgrading the glazing, repairing them, making sure they function again
for another hundred years, check out if you just go
to YouTube and go resident builder and then host project,
which is Huis, and search for one that says Heritage

(27:47):
meets hard Work, roof challenges and window upgrades. There's a
whole series of little videos about the renovation. There's all
sorts of videos there about installation and compliance and that
sort of thing. So there's a whole library that we're
putting together for you on YouTube. So search for resident builder,
find that there and then have a look through the video.

(28:08):
The one that's got me working on some double hung
sash windows is called Heritage meets hard Work, and it's
all the things that you need to do to get
your heritage house up to stand it. So hopefully there's
a little bit of insight into the fact that you
can actually quite successfully repair and maintain and keep your
classic timber joinery, as well as upg grading the the

(28:31):
glazing as well. Right he six forty one here at Newstalk,
said be paul A very good morning.

Speaker 12 (28:37):
Oh, good morning, Peter. We'd redecorate in the house and
I bought an oak bed and inside as a temporary table.
It's been a bit weathered and I had a jar
of picks a peanut but steed and grain mix. It
tipped over and all oil went on the wood. It

(28:57):
made an awesome stain. It's been there for a while. Also,
years ago they started making plastic posts at Rammed and
better than they must have had little steel tips on
the end of them and are strong. And the thing
I just wondering, when are they going to make plastic girders,

(29:20):
even if they had a rod in the middle of
them or something like that.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
I know, the plastic posts that you're talking about. If
it's the same thing, that's future post, which is a
really good end use for lots of types of soft
plastics can be recycled and made into those. I don't
believe they've got any sort of qualification, let's say, or
they don't comply in terms of the building code for

(29:48):
subfloor piles. But where they are fantastic, and i've seen
them down at field days for example, is you know
strain a posts than that. I think their intention was
that it would be a really good substitute for timber
posts in farming and agriculture. So certainly in terms of farming,
certainly in terms of on venue and that sort of thing,
it's great. And I've noticed that they've started to do

(30:10):
some retaining timbers as well, so heavier ones that you
could use for raised gardens and so on. So look,
it's a good option. Hello, I don't know that they've
tested them for the load bearing. That's in terms of
getting them compliant with the building code. I think there's
enough uses for them outside of that that will stick
to what we know and trust in terms of building.

(30:32):
But I mean, look, they're phenomenally strong. I've seen them,
and I've seen some of the stress testing on it.
They are phenomenal. But you know, it's just not there
in the building code at the moment. But really interesting
issue to raise. Actually, field days is craky. When's that?

Speaker 6 (30:47):
I think?

Speaker 5 (30:47):
I'm down there on the thirteenth of June. Starts on
the twelfth. I'm going to shoot down for the day.
Heaps to see lots of people to talk to. I've
only been going for the last couple of years, but
I really really enjoy it when i'm down there. Had
a fantastic day on Friday too, wandering through the Stark

(31:08):
factory looking at how you PVC windows are made. It
was really fantay. I'll tell you a bit more about
later on. Oh eight hundred eighteen eighty is the number
to call. Hey, Harry, good morning to you. Good morning, Harry.

Speaker 13 (31:21):
How are you.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
I'm very well, thanks, sir Bitter.

Speaker 13 (31:25):
I've got a Brivy central heating system in my house.
It is a twenty kilover high efficiency MULTIPLEX series. Yeah,
built in two thousand and six, nineteen years ago, and
every two years they have to service the thing. Yes,
So when they did it this time, the man said

(31:45):
that now you have to replace the Fenness, right, that
is what's available. So I said, you know that's only
nineteen years old. Oh, they said, we have to replace
it and to make the meta worse. He said that
where you got the ceiling entry point, we can't do
it from there. You have to hear to have a

(32:07):
new entry point made near the where the fairness is. Right,
So does the fairness only last nineteen years?

Speaker 5 (32:20):
From my own experience, I'm not particularly familiar with them.
I think that you know, for something that I guess
when it's on, like over winter, gets a lot of use,
then yes, I can imagine that maybe it has reached
the end of its serviceable life. The challenge, too, is
that it might be serviceable if you could get parts,

(32:41):
but not all manufacturers provide parts beyond a certain time,
which you know is an issue, right, And I think
there is talk about some government legislation that will mean
that if you're going to bring a product into the country,
you're going to have to provide service for it's It
shouldn't be acceptable. This is just a general thing, not

(33:04):
necessarily related to what you're talking about. But you know,
the frustration is, Let's say you buy a toaster, for example,
and after two years the spring goes in it, and
you ring the importer and you say, can I have
a new spring? And they go no, we don't sell
parts for that, and so the whole thing's rubbish and
you've been it after a short period of time. Whether
or not that applies to something that's twenty years old,

(33:26):
The only thing I could suggest, Harry, is that I'm
sure there are more than one provider of servicing for
these units, right, And I would go to another supplier
or another service provider and say could you please come
and assess it, and they might say to you, actually,
you know, we've got some parts for that, and we'll
keep it going for the next five years. So I

(33:46):
think my advice would be try and find another contractor
who could come and have a look at it. You
may well find that you get a slightly different response
from them, but otherwise, yes, these things do wear out.
Ventilation systems, heating systems have an end of life. Be
nice more than twenty years. But it may well be
that twenty years is reasonable. But get two people to

(34:08):
give you advice on that would be my advice. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Thanks for you call Harry. We'll talk to Grant after
the break.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Helping you get those DIY projects done right. The resident
builder with Peter WOLFCAF call Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 5 (34:26):
Must be my tune. OH eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Remember we've got Jay from Razine,
our painting expert, available to take your text questions at
around seven twenty five this morning. So any specific painting
questions might be about paint as in the actual paint,
the right type of paint to use in the right situation, application, preparation,

(34:50):
those sorts of things. So fleck through those texts to
nine to nine two. Jay from Razine will be with
us at seven twenty five and a very good warning
to you, Grant. How are you doing?

Speaker 14 (35:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (35:02):
Good, thanks Peter. I've got a one challenge. I've just
built two brand new townhouses Dupilus Monoclis plaster down the bottom.
The top floor is new or aluminium platting, and the
platting is a gray for ice are quite dark. When
you're outside the townhouses, you hear a constant cracking, which

(35:23):
I guess is expansion contraction in the sunlight or not
even sunlight, just in the in the day and inside
it sounds like you've got fire where it's going off
outside in terms of the noise, and when I talk
to my architect who's they specify the product and try
to chase up with the manufacturer, there's no engagement on this.

(35:45):
And is it a implementation challenge I've got or is
this a consequence of the product that's been specified.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
All metal expands and contracts, right, whether it's aluminum or
zincaloom or whatever, And so certainly I've heard it where
roofs will expand and contract and as they do, so
you you'll hear a noise. I've had it on metal
cladding as a not aluminium, but metal cladding on the

(36:13):
exterior of a building, and I think from my experience
pretty much all of the cladding manufacturers who do various
types of this type of cladding will say you can
expect that there will be expansion and contraction and sometimes
that generates a noise. So it's not uncommon. And I

(36:34):
guess if it's a darker color and it's facing north
and it's a particularly long hot summer, then I think
you'll you'll that will be more noticeable. There's also ways
of ensuring that you like. For example, it's really important
with the installation of some of these systems, and each
system is different, right, so I can only make broad comments,

(36:55):
but I know for some systems they work on the
basis that the actual cladding, the bit that you see
is while it's fixed, it's not fastened, so there is
room for to move. Other systems where they're they're direct
fixed in you'll have tension and compression because they're fixed
at either end, and you'll have some movement in between there,

(37:17):
and that can generate some noise. These So it was
specified by the architect you've had it installed. Was it
installed by the contractor provided by the supplier of the
product or was it a separate contractor who did it.

Speaker 15 (37:34):
A separate contractor did it licensed building practitioner?

Speaker 5 (37:37):
Okay? Do you know whether they did it in accordance
with the specifications from the product supplier.

Speaker 15 (37:43):
The contract required them to do so, and they receive
the specifications from the architect.

Speaker 5 (37:49):
But did they do it?

Speaker 7 (37:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (37:52):
Okay, that's that's going to be your first thing to
look at, right. So, and this is again this is
a general comments. As contractors, we might get specifications for
all sorts of products and and like you know, doing
your earfix model as a kid, you don't always read
the instructions to be blunt. So I would go back

(38:14):
in the first instance to the person that installed it
and say, did you install it exactly as per the
instructions and as per the specifications, And then if they're
saying that it is, then maybe you have someone come
and independently check that in fact they have done the
installation correctly, because again, and I'm not suggesting it's the
case in your specific instance, but I do know of

(38:37):
situations where a contractor has not followed the instructions, has
installed the product, has installed it on the wrong type
of bat and use the wrong type of fixing those
sorts of things, and it's been effectively non compliant as
a result. So a little bit of detective work, I'm
afraid on your part and check that first, maybe get

(38:59):
someone else who's experience with the system to come out
and have a look and determine whether there's any initial faults.
And then, as per the article that was in the
paper yesterday, I think the comment from the supplier there was,
you know, we we do know that it does expand
and contract and that causes noise. Most of that noise

(39:20):
is within a certain tolerance level. Right, So if you
feel it's outside of that tolerance level, then you'd go
back to the installer and to the manufacturer and go, hey,
let's come out, let's do some testing and see what
is causing the issues. Okay, yeah, good approach, Thank you,
good luck, all right, all the best. But first stoppers
is to go back and talk to the guy that
installed it and go how'd you do it? And did

(39:42):
you do it correctly?

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Great?

Speaker 5 (39:45):
All right, all the best, Thanks a lot, take care.
And I say this because you know, increasingly, lots of
systems that we use in construction are you know, they've
been specifically designed to perform in a particular way when
you build it as per the specification. So you know,
if the boffins that have developed cladding system or a

(40:06):
bracing system or whatever type of system that we might
have in terms of house building, there'll be you know,
specific fastness, specific types of brackets, specific distances, all of
these things. All of these tolerances are developed during the
product development and then that's included in the specifications and

(40:29):
the installation guides, and the expectation is that then when
it gets to site, that it's done as per the
specifications and to be fair. It's not uncommon to find
that products have been installed not as per the specification,
and it's no surprises then that we might have issues
with it. Right, We'll continue talking all things building and
construction after the news at seven o'clock. If you'd like

(40:52):
to join us pon us now, oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty, feel free to send your texts to
nine two niney two and remember Jay our painting expert.
At around seven twenty five.

Speaker 16 (41:03):
I want to be nowhere, but here with it now,
Liby one in this speech.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Measure twice God was but maybe called Pete first, Peter
Wolfkev the resident builder news talks.

Speaker 5 (41:18):
That'd be your news talks. That'd be welcome back to
the show. It is almost seven minutes after seven. Remember
around seven twenty five this morning, Jay our painting expert
from Razine will be joining us. So if you've got
any specific painting questions, feel free to text those through.
Thank you too to a number of people that text
through with actually really simple and useful solutions. For one

(41:41):
of our earlier callers, that was Trevor, he was talking
about the fact that they've actually it turns out they're
in a Lockwood Home, so you know circa sometime late
nineteen seventies early or eighties roughly, and it has a
plumbing as in a piping system called Duck's Quest. It's

(42:01):
well known for failures, and I think it's not un
to say that almost everyone who has had it installed
or it was in their house as part of the
new build or innovation, has had problems with it. So
a couple of people have suggested, well, here's a good one.
Lockwood's packed the wall out fifty mili overlay with matching

(42:22):
timberge and then just move the bath. Done it a
couple of times. It's easy enough. I thought that was
very good. Someone asking did the previous owner know about that? Well,
I think he's owned the house for a number of
years twenty twelve. I mean, look, any liability would be
long past, and I think too the disclosure duty to

(42:43):
disclose was probably quite different in twenty twelve than it
might be today in terms of real estate. Thanks for
the advice Rey the Ducks or Quest Ducks pipe failure.
Our plumber said that if we ever wanted to sell
our house, we'd have to inform the buyer that the
house still has some of that ducks in it. Yeah,

(43:04):
I tend to agree. It'll be that sort of thing
that if the real estate agent sits down with you
when they do their sale and purchase agreement or when
they you've got a contract with them, they will say
to you, is there anything about the house that you
need to disclose? And if you are aware and you
choose not to disclose it, then you could be held
liable for that. I understand later on. So yeah, if

(43:26):
you know it's a problem, then you have to disclose
the fact that it's it is a problem. Or if
it was a problem and you've fixed it, then that's great.
Oh eight hundred eighty eighty is that number to call?
Don A very good morning to you.

Speaker 16 (43:41):
Yes, good morning to you, Peter. I was on your
show a couple of weeks ago talking about our central districts.

Speaker 5 (43:48):
And online and it looked like a fantastic event.

Speaker 16 (43:55):
Yes it did. We got eight hundred people through the
door wow to the event, and we've got a huge
crowd watching the main event, which is the wood turning competition,
and we had eighteen wood turning took part and there
were three heats and the person that person that won
in the final turn the bowl out in three and
a half minutes.

Speaker 5 (44:16):
Three minutes thirty seconds for a bowl that had impressive that.

Speaker 16 (44:20):
It was impressive, and that included you have to take
them the inside of the bottle and then you go
turn it over into the upside and so forth. So
we'll be syvesa. But yeah, no, it was a really
good event. And we're going to run the game next
year on the seventeenth and May, which will be twelve months.
And yeah, it was really very popular and it's surprising

(44:42):
how many people came in and wanted to have a
look at it.

Speaker 12 (44:45):
You know.

Speaker 16 (44:45):
It was really the sweet thing. Really. I think that
brought the people in.

Speaker 5 (44:48):
Yeah, and yeah, because actually I was going to ask
in terms of like okay, so you know I could
bash something out super fast, right, but it'll be rubbish.
There is there a bit of a it's got to
be at least half way reasonable in terms of quality.

Speaker 16 (45:04):
Oh yes, in judgment and it you know, right, you
turn the body out and it's so much for becoming
off fairs, but of course it's a there's the shape
of the ball comes into consideration by the judge and
also the consistency through the thickness and all that. They
get points off for all of that, so it's got
to be a reasonable sort of ball that comes off
of it.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
Yeah, And they're all using the same size stock, aren't they.

Speaker 16 (45:28):
Yes, Yeah, yes, yes, they went through with it. I
think it was seventy five millimeters what by one hundred
and fifty millimeters and it was and all the blinks
were the same. It was mecro carp Yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:39):
Nice, nice, look. I think it's a fabulous event. And
I think too, you kind of get a sense that
lots of people are looking to return to I guess
traditional crafts like wood turning. Of wood turning has been
around for hundreds of years in various forms. And also
the sheer pleasure of making something. You know that in

(46:04):
a world where more and more people make things for
you and things are not made to last and all
the rest of it, it's it's that that kind of
inherent pleasure in making, you know, whether it's doing your
own baking or whether it's pottery, or whether it's wood
turning or whether it's weaving and that sort of thing.

(46:25):
There's there is, I think just a general sense that
people want to uncover those skills again. And yeah, keep
them alive.

Speaker 16 (46:35):
I guess, and some of the balls were given out
to the brilliant.

Speaker 5 (46:43):
I've written the date down so if the lines I mean,
it's the sort of thing I would love to get to.
I'm not making any promises, but I put the date
in the calendar already.

Speaker 16 (46:54):
All right then, thank you very much, stay.

Speaker 5 (46:56):
In touch, Thank you all the best. What Don was
talking about was a competition in the Wairapa, so in Palmerston,
I think is where it was. No might not have
been parmised over the weekend wood Turners Guild or festival.
And the competition was to turn out a bowl. They
all had exactly the same size piece of macrocarpa and

(47:18):
it was a speed test and we know that you know,
crafting things is not about speed, but it's a fantastic
thing to watch as as very accomplished and experienced wood
turners all have a go at trying to produce a
bowl in a limited amount of time three minutes thirty
seconds is phenomenal. So that would have been great to watch.

(47:38):
And eight hundred people through the door. That's tremendous community engagement,
So congratulations to you guys. It is thirteen minutes after seven.
If you've got a building question. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. A couple of
painting questions coming through, which is really really good as well,
Thank you very much for those. A couple of questions

(48:01):
about cladding roof treatments. This is an interesting one, hey,
In reply to the woman who has some concerns about
the roof treatments, this is someone who operates a business.
I operate my business in South Waikato. I do all
of it with an ecosoftwash and the buildings are performing well,
the roof and the hard With the roof and hard

(48:21):
surface treatments, I offer a guarantee that it will clear
the growth, and I photograph all the work so comparison
can be made at any time. If there are areas
where it's deemed not to be working, I return it
no additional charge. Photographic history and years of reputation does
provide peace of mind. Good on you, Chris. That sounds

(48:43):
really thorough and really professional. So that's Chris from X
Factor in Tokoro, South Waikato. So X factor so ex
mold roof treatments. Good on you, and it is really important.
And I was reading a condition report for a building
the other day, and the building surveyor who was commissioned
to do the report pointed out the fact that there

(49:04):
was the beginning of some like that was growing on
the roof and the recommendations removed that before it impacts
on the coating and potentially shortens the life span of
the roof. So if it is on your roof, you
should get it treated and obviously get it treated by
someone who knows what they're doing. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. We'll take your

(49:24):
calls right now. We've got a spare line right now.
It is coming up fifteen minutes after seven.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Doing other house extorting the guard and asked Fete for
a hand as a resident builder with Peter Wolfcap Call
oh eight eighty ten eighty newstalgs EDB.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
Your news talks dB A couple of minutes away from
our painting expert J from Razine and some really good
curly questions coming in on the text machine, so feel
free to send through another question for J. We'll try
and get through most of those in a moment. Some
great questions to via the text that I'll come to,
particularly around insurances or warranties for buildings. So we'll have

(50:04):
a look at that in a minute. But first up Bernie,
good morning, Yeah.

Speaker 17 (50:07):
Good morning, pick. Just having a query on I just
had a kitchen greenow done and basically I had the
equal put HBO and all the kitchen stuff in and
the sparking that did the young Fellows been back through
times to deal with the issues with it just not

(50:28):
fitting in probably or had me fitting in properly, and
I'm just wanting to know where do I stand in
this issue. I'm going to go back to this spark
you tomorrow. You know, one of the people that are
based on whoever was put on to me, they have
a lot to see what I can do with it,
you know, because it's not not very satisfactory. It's just

(50:52):
he's where he's tolled the holes in his head and
put the brackets on the back of the wall, you
know that, and it just looked ugly. It wasn't even
you know, for the money I've paid paid the spark
you to do the job. I don't think you should
be paid because it's just a shocking workmanship on behalf
of the worker.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
I think in the first instance, if he's an employee
of a firm, right, I would get in touch with
the boss and get the boss out immediately. And then
if you feel that you're still getting the run around,
basically I'd be inclined maybe to get a registered electrical
inspector to come out and determine have a look at

(51:33):
the work, because electricians are interesting for a number of
different reasons, but as a trade they self certify, right,
So if you're building a house or doing a renovation,
no one other than the electrician and an electrical inspector
will determine whether or not the work is compliant, right, Yes,

(51:55):
So it's a little bit different too. Let's say builders,
for example, and even plumbers where typically will do the
work and then a building inspector or a plumbing inspector
will determine and whether or not the work is up
to standard and sure pass right. So, in that sense,
there is more responsibility on electricians to do work according

(52:16):
to their regulations correctly all of the time. So if
for example, the young fellow who's been on site hasn't
done a great job, talk to the boss. If the
boss is unresponsive, I would go to an electrical inspector
and then they have their own disciplinary process after that.

Speaker 17 (52:31):
Yeah, okay, yeah, because I did. The boss had come
out and have look at yourself, get it right for
your Friday. And then he did come out and wasn't
really happy to do the job, you know, like refix
it all up and where he put the screw holes
and they went even even nothing like that, and they
went the proper screws that they were with the kiss

(52:52):
ringing over that, and so I unscrewed it like Friday
night and just said, oh, I'm not putting it up.
Whether I took photos and I asked him to left
a note from him to take photos off the start
job and that, and he wasn't happy to do even that,
and yeah, he reckons you seek the photos for me?
Who he hasn't done that at all, And I think

(53:13):
he has one to show his boss.

Speaker 5 (53:15):
And also I think it's I think it's time to
get the boss out.

Speaker 17 (53:19):
Yeah, yeah, I think I need to go get him
back out again, absolutely and do it because it's just
a lot of money if paid out for it. It's
my wave, a home at the stage.

Speaker 7 (53:30):
And you want it to be right.

Speaker 17 (53:32):
Yeah, I need to get it right. Yeah, definitely, right.

Speaker 5 (53:35):
Get the boss out in the first instance, and then
electrical inspector after that, and then there is actually a
disciplinary board that they have as I understand it as well.
So good luck with that, Bernie and Mike.

Speaker 18 (53:46):
Get oh how are you this morning?

Speaker 5 (53:49):
Very well? How can I help?

Speaker 18 (53:50):
Yeah? Look, I've got a property account for about thirty years.
Thinking about two thousand and eighteen, I think it was
we we did some innovations in the building of a
bit of a shorty job yep, and we never got
to build a building code tients. And when I say
shotty jobs's things like some of the fleshings don't go
past the windows and that's them. There's a deck that's

(54:14):
it comes off. That's the second story which is not
low enough.

Speaker 5 (54:18):
And a quick question, the work that was done in
twenty eighteen, was it done with a building consent? So
a building consent was issued for the work and then
the work was done, Yes, it was, yes, okay, And
the building consent didn't get signed off the building.

Speaker 18 (54:37):
The building consent inspections some of them got signed off,
but the coding compliance we just knew got it was
to bands like with the builder.

Speaker 5 (54:46):
Yeah, I know, it's me so we're looking looking to.

Speaker 18 (54:48):
Sell the place, and the building inspector's been out and
he's gone around and given a solista some of the
things that he's seen a.

Speaker 5 (54:55):
Building inspectors in the council Building inspector.

Speaker 18 (54:58):
Yes, yes, yes, and so we can get those fixed.
But I'm still unsure as to you know, when I
go back and sell down all these senisters. Someone said
to me, well, you know you might have to. Actually
they might still not pass it because the whole house
wouldn't be compliant now because it's top so long go,

(55:18):
the insulation wouldn't very right. And do I have to
bring it all up to speed or is it just
what the building the council buildings peck yourselves and what
I have to do.

Speaker 5 (55:28):
Just do what the building inspector asked you to do.
So if you've gone effectively you've asked for a final
inspection again, they've come out, they've given you a list
of things to do. Do exactly what's on the list.
Try and get the same building inspector back. They will
tick that off and then you can make an application
for a CCC. Now that process is always the homeowner's responsibility,

(55:53):
and twenty eighteen not actually that long ago. They will
want things like producer statements, record of works from your builder.
They'll want certain warranty documents and so on. Get it
done because I guess, and this is me speaking professionally

(56:14):
as well, I will do pre purchase inspections from time
to time. My attitude years ago was, if you've had
a building like yours, you could make a determination and
go look on the balance of probabilities. You could sort
it out later on if you bought it right. My
advice these days is to say to someone who's looking

(56:34):
at a building, So if I was acting for someone
who might be interested in your house, I would say
to them, make sure that you might get the CCC
for it. Don't take on that responsibility later on because
it can be difficult. So I think it any money
that you spend getting your house up and getting a

(56:56):
CCC for it is money well spent.

Speaker 18 (57:00):
It would be my advice, right, And is there other
people that can, like, can I go and get someone
else that comes and speaks it and gives me a
producer savment or something that sees that you know that
it's wanted, which means.

Speaker 5 (57:17):
Yeah, I mean the best people to engage for that,
but there are fees involved. Obviously would be a building
survey as a registered building surveyor, because they're obviously familiar
with the code and the code requirements and they will also,
like I'm contracting a building surveyor at the moment to

(57:40):
prepare a report that I can give to counsel to
prove to counsel that the cladding is going to be
durable and complies with the durability requirements of the code. Right,
so it performs. Okay, now that's something that I'm familiar with,
but I don't have the level of qualification in order
to do that, and so I've contracted on behalf of
my client to get a registered building surveyor to undertake that.

(58:05):
So you may find that you end up getting a
registered building survey. So it's either just go to ends
ibs dot org so use it or building survey dot
org dot enz scroll through and you'll find people in
your area and then then go from there.

Speaker 18 (58:21):
Okay, all right, okay, but.

Speaker 5 (58:23):
You know it's it's a lot of work, but I
assure you if you get it done, it's it's so
much in your interest to get it done. Okay, all right,
all the very best to you. Take care. Oh yeah,
there's a bit of work involved in that, right to you.
Let's talk painting, and I'm going to start off by going, Jay,

(58:44):
how are you mate?

Speaker 4 (58:46):
Just listening to the last couple of questions, it sounds
like it's a curly morning, and to.

Speaker 5 (58:52):
Be fair, it's it's only going to get curlier. I'll
tell you what actually, just can we get a comment
from you. The other day, I've been doing some work
and I had some decking timber that turned up unprimed, right,
So that was it's simple. It's it's h three point
two timber. It's it's all dressed and ready to go,
so obviously it needs a primer. So I used an

(59:14):
oil based primer. Then, as for your advice, I've I've
applied another coat of quick dry over the top of that.
Then once it went down and I'd done all the priming,
I've I've put my lumbersider over the top. So, but
then the other day I bought a post that was
pre primed, and a lot of timber that supplied for
exterior cladding comes pre primed. I took the approach that

(59:37):
that's kind of just a factory coat, and so once
i'd finished working on the post, I gave it a
light sand and take much to sand some of that
primer off, and then re primed it with oil base. Again,
is that generally what you would advise for pre primed boards.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Ok.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
A lot of the pre prime timber is just like
a transportation primer to the timber and transit. It's not
a primer designed be kind of painted over. So you
need to give it a sand re prime with an
oil based primer, and then you get to go. There
is some primer out there. There's true Prime from Razine

(01:00:18):
and some of the other manufacturers do primers as well
on certain weather boards and timbers. Yes, that will be
there'll be stickers on the back of the boards around
preparation and what you need to do, and some of
those primers you can paint over. Yes, but the vast
majority of pre prime timber you need to sand and reprime.

Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
Okay, that's good advice. And I know, like I've worked
with timber clouting systems where they are prime undercodd and
have a first code on them, so you know that's
slightly different, but they will tell you that. So I
think the safe assumption is if it's just got a
primer on it, a factory primer on it. You should
send it and reprime that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:55):
I mean, like you said, you gave it a sand
and it was just turning to dust essentially. So yeah,
if you want to get through that and actually get
a decent primer on there, the primers like the whole
anchor right coat for the whole system. So that's the
one coat that needs to be done really really well.

Speaker 5 (01:01:14):
Okay, Oh and look, it didn't take in this instance,
didn't take a lot of time, and you know, I
feel a lot more confident about it going forward. So
that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:01:23):
Let's rip into some texts of Vitex sticks that has
been Vitex that's been oiled twice. The last time was
ten years ago. Now more than well weared, weathered, no
surprise there can I clean and put a water based
stain on it? So what are the issues there? If
it's been oiled ten years ago?

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
What can I do?

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
Really depends depends on what oil was used. If it's
a mineral oil, like you've got a couple out there,
wood X Dryden CD fifty, you need to stick with
those right on the timber. If it's an oil like
our razine solvent blen Woodsman. Then yes, you could clean

(01:02:04):
it and go over with the water Born Woodsman or
the solvent board Woodsman again. So to clean it it
would be scrub it with rasine, timber and backwash.

Speaker 18 (01:02:16):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
And then if you're not sure, ten years a long
time of finding out what was on there. Pretty slim,
So I'd say try one of our water Born Woodsman
test spots in if you can, in an inconspicuous area, yes,
and then just give it a couple of days see
if it penetrates and dries, and if it does, you
should be okay to restain over over that old oil.

(01:02:42):
If it doesn't, then it stays on the surface and
it's still tacky. Yes, then unfortunately you're going to have
to stick with like a mineral oil.

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
On that, i'ld say, right, So it's about compatibility between
the different paint systems, right, Oh, painting question. I've got
a soft ball sized hole in a hatch board wall
in my garage. Once repaired with a small piece of
GiB and plaster, I'd don't want to repaint the wall.
Any tips for paintings leans in good fuck the size

(01:03:13):
hole sounds awfully similar to a first size hole.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
Or ahead or a football really, so master painters and
they're fat sheets. You say, anything bigger than a postage stamp,
you're not really going to be able to touch up
that area, right, So when you start getting bigger than
that and lochine paint, you're you're going to struggle without

(01:03:39):
doing corner to corner on the wall. Yeah, and our
advices really always go corner to corner to try and
blend it all in.

Speaker 5 (01:03:46):
I mean, it's the sort of thing you might get
away with a touch up of a job that's recently
being done, you know, like if you've got the same same.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
Role of application, then you might. But like I said,
master painters say anything she wise greater than a flat
or matt finish, you're going to struggle when it's bigger
than a postage stamp.

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
So yeah, paint and it might show up corner to
corner absolutely. Yeah, we're painters not magicians. Yeah, that's it right.
Getting some window frames done dark blue? What is the
process to ensure that the paint lasts so dark blue
window frames? And actually tell us what the light reflectance

(01:04:33):
value is, so every.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
Color has got the value of the amount of light
it reflects, and obviously the darker the color, it's going
to absorb more light and more heat, and then that
heat transfers obviously into the substrate the paints on. With
timber windows, obviously the darker you go, the more heat
it's going to absorb, and then the more movement you're

(01:04:59):
likely to get in the timber yep. So ideally going
lighter would be better.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Yes, Obviously, if you're going to go dark.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
We'd always recommend using the cool colored version of the
color so that that helps reflect more of the heat
out from entering the substrate. That makes sense.

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
Yeah, In terms of the numbers, because some like with
the boards for example, they'll the manufacturer will say, if
you paint a color that has a number above thirty
five I think is typically where it cuts off, then
it's forty five.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
Okay, it's around forty forty five. As usually the.

Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
Cutoff white as sort of one and black is one hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Is that how it works?

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
It is near enough for blacks about four percent or something.
In white's probably ninety five or something either way around.

Speaker 5 (01:05:51):
Okay, So higher the number, the lighter the color, and
so going below forty five is not advisable.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
Yeah, yeah, okay, are you under check head?

Speaker 5 (01:06:10):
Yeah, I've never convinced that I've got it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
It's more heat, it reflects less light. So the darker
is going to absorb more and the light is going
to reflect more.

Speaker 5 (01:06:19):
Okay, So in this situation, they're wedded to the dark color.
They love it. What's the best thing to do?

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
So, I mean it depends. So say it's timber weather,
timber window. It's in pretty good condition at the moment.
I'm presuming it's painted already, so it's kind of sand.

Speaker 16 (01:06:39):
What's on there?

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
To de gloss?

Speaker 6 (01:06:41):
What's on there?

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
Spot prime? Many bear areas would resime quick dry or
Rasine wood primal, then the full coat of the Razine
quick dry, and then i'd say used to lust the
quill in that in the color they've chosen. But if
it's forty or more like reflectance value, which kind of

(01:07:04):
a darkish blue, will be used to call color version.

Speaker 5 (01:07:07):
Yess okay, brilliant stand the light. We're going to take
short break. We'll be back with Jay from Razine after
the break.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing the fence, or wondering
how to fix that hole in the wall, give feeder,
wolf gabber, call on.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
The resident builder on news dogs.

Speaker 5 (01:07:25):
B Jay Sharples from Razine is with us this morning
taking your painting questions. Oh, here's a goodie painting a
thirty one year old cedar house which has only been
stained once when it was first built in nineteen ninety four.
What is the preparation required before painting? How many coats
of paint and a suitable paint for a cedar house

(01:07:48):
that is north facing and exposed built on a hill?

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
Anything again? Like the kind of vile earlier? Like if
it's been oiled.

Speaker 5 (01:08:01):
Initially thirty one years with no log, go.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
Back to stain. Our recommendations for stain is staining every
sort of two to three summers. Yep, So it's thirty
one years for nothing. There's no protection on the cedar.
What state is that cladenine to even look at?

Speaker 5 (01:08:21):
It's not going to be pretty.

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
No, So system is razine, timber and deck quarters to
give it a good clean. I'd imagine a moss and
mold treatment as well. You're looking at a full coat
of razine wood primer and then two coats of lumbersider.
But I've seen old seedar houses that haven't had any

(01:08:47):
sort of love for a number of years, where the
ceedar gets very profiled and you get those peaks and
troughs and what you can get when you paint it,
which isn't visible really when you stain it is a
lot of shadowing from those peaks and troughs on profile timber.
So then if you get painters in paint it, the

(01:09:07):
homeowner thinks the painters haven't put enough paint on because
the house looks really patchy. But a lot of the
time it's just those pigs and troughs in the in
the profile of the timber.

Speaker 5 (01:09:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
So yeah, I mean that that's the system is give
it a good clean down and then in wood primer
and two coats of lumbersider. Or you're looking at restaining
it and then restaining it every few years, yeah, or
looking at recladding.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:09:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:09:37):
Look, ultimately you're right, it may well need it. So
you know, I suppose what it is is have realistic expectations.
So if it's thoroughly cleaned, the right paint system, it
will help protect it for some time. Like the house
will love it, but don't expect to get a quality finish.
Like you might have got off new cedar boards or

(01:09:59):
new weather boards.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
Yeah, absolutely. Last one is someone who's noticed mold ink
like stains on the ceiling they painted with kitchen and
bathroom paint. Wipe the ceiling, but it seems to be
under the paint. Did they paint over the mold in
the first place?

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
Potentially, yes, I suppose if it's if it's bleeding through
them paint, then yeah. We always recommend using rasime, moss
and mold killer because it's it kills the spores of
the mold, and if you just wipe it, it looks
like you've removed it with just just wipe it with
right or anything else, it looks like you've removed the mold,

(01:10:40):
but the spores are still there. Yep, So you really
need to use the bleach. In our opinion, a bleach
based cleanhad like razine, moss and molecular to kill those
spores so that when you do paint it they're not
still there and bleeding through the coating.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
Now it's then you've noticed it. You can it might
take multiple sort of treatments, but you can just keep
cleaning it with the moss and molecular and hopefully it
should get through and sort of help solve the issue.

Speaker 5 (01:11:09):
Yeah awesome, Okay, well right, do it right and do
it once and do it right?

Speaker 7 (01:11:16):
Is the key is?

Speaker 5 (01:11:17):
Yeah? Isn't that the mental Absolutely? Hey j thank you
very much for all your advice this morning. Much appreciated.
Have a great day, take care all the best, I think,
And actually the Razine people are at the Home and
Garden Show which is on at Eden Park today, so
last day to day. It's been on Thursday, Friday, Saturday
and again today. So the Home and Garden Show. They've

(01:11:40):
got sort of an experienced area for the kids, which
is great fun. Some of the experts are presenting today.
I happen to be in the expert line up today
as well. So if you're at the Home and Garden
Show today around twelve o'clock, make your way to the
little sort of auditorium area. They've got a presentation area there,
not far from the entrance way, and do a little

(01:12:01):
presentation on sort of my take on changes to building
because there's so much change, what's changing? What's it about?
It's a fast and furious thirty minute presentation from twelve
o'clock today at the Home and Garden Show. Thereafter I
will cruise down to the food court because man, there's
some good food on offer at the Home and Garden

(01:12:22):
Show today. Great exhibitors too, and actually had a really
cool conversation with Flexi Abode.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
I'll check that.

Speaker 5 (01:12:33):
Yeah, Flexi Homes who do sort of modular construction, so
off site construction assembly on site, interestingly enough, using jaframe
as their preferred framing timber that they use for it,
which is really really cool, and then using Stark Joinery
in most of their projects as well, which is the
high performance uPVC joinery that they incorporate in order to

(01:12:56):
get really high performing homes. Actually, I had a just
quickly for the breaky Friday. I spent the morning going
through the factory actually at Stark Joinery, so they make
the uPVC joinery. The whole process from the essentially the
stock the blanks coming out into a highly automated system

(01:13:19):
that cuts everything, drills all the holes, goes through reinforcement,
goes into the assembly of the actual frames themselves, which
is done with heat, so their heat welded in the
corners and then automatically cleaned up, and then the assembly
of the hardware and the process out the door. So
fascinating insight into some of the technology and clever thinking

(01:13:42):
that goes into these high performance uPVC windows. So that
was great. Actually really enjoyed my time out there at Stark.
It is quarter to eight already. Remember through climb past
will be along straight after at eight thirty. This morning.
Will take your calls right through till eight thirty in
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(01:14:05):
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Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Squeaky door or squeaky floor?

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Get the right advice from Peter Wolfgaf, the resident builder
on news Talk seb and A very good morning, John.

Speaker 10 (01:14:29):
How are you doing, Pete?

Speaker 13 (01:14:30):
Very well?

Speaker 10 (01:14:30):
I got really excited when I heard that text question, yes,
and then I was bitterly disappointed about the razine guy's
answer to it. Right, remember describing to you how I
did my place.

Speaker 5 (01:14:46):
You sended it right back, and you ground it and
you polished it and you honed it and you looked
at it with a microscope and you applied fifty six
coats of paint and it looks magnificent.

Speaker 10 (01:14:57):
Well, I don't think that description would help the personist
exactly how to do it? Do me to describe it?

Speaker 5 (01:15:05):
I remember what you talking about, and look at it
if in your instance, and I really admire the application, right,
So the dedication to it, I guess it's the sort
of thing that you know, You and I as homeowners
tend to pour our heart and soul into these processes
and we can achieve great results. But from a commercial

(01:15:26):
point of view, can you pay someone to put as
much time and effort in Well, yes you can, but
it tends to be a bit cost prohibitive. But look,
I hear what you're saying, John, And for listeners who
don't recall the conversation, you know, John put a lot
of time and effort into standing, prepping and restoring the
timber joinery, and I'm sure it looks absolutely magnificent. So

(01:15:48):
it can be done, but it comes down to perhaps
the amount of time, and typically the amount of time
ends up being the amount of money. John really lovely
to talk to you, and it was actually John that
I sat with for a little while at the Home
and Garden John Wellington a week while ago and it
was a great conversation, so really appreciate it. It is
ten minutes away from eight today. We're looking into tryboard

(01:16:12):
as a lining option. So it comes in two point
four or three point six meter sheets. It's ten mil.
It's got two MDF outer layers in a strand board
inner layer, light durable, can handle the NOOX. It's pretty tough,
so it's perfect for renovations and for new builds. Joining
us this morning is Brendan Maroney from Store in z Now.

(01:16:33):
You specialize in kitchens, cabins and custom builds based up
in Northland. You've been using it for a couple of years.
How did you get interested in tryboard.

Speaker 11 (01:16:43):
I started using trybards just after the COVID lockdowns. And
the reason I started using it is because Plywoods became
quite inconsistent, just availability and also the varying price and
the quality as well. The quality really planted a little bit,
I think, just due to availability.

Speaker 5 (01:17:02):
Sure, so in terms of the installation process, this is
your life over conventional timber framing, speed, complexity. Walk us
through it.

Speaker 11 (01:17:11):
So yeah, it's pretty it's pretty simple. We just we
do our framing and insulation and cabling, and then the
triboarders glued to our timber framing, and then pins and
then also screwed, just just to compress the glue and
give it a good fixing. It's not used as a
bracing element, but it definitely does add a bracing element

(01:17:32):
to the structure.

Speaker 5 (01:17:34):
In terms of selection of links, what do you typically use?

Speaker 11 (01:17:40):
I use both the two point four and the three
point six one. I find the two point four mainly
for the wall linings, and then also if I build
a higher units, I can cut down the three point
six yep. But then the three point six is ideal
for going across the ceiling long ways. Just less less boards,
less work.

Speaker 5 (01:17:59):
Yeah, so you're using it a nicer finish walls and ceilings.

Speaker 7 (01:18:03):
Yeah, that's correct.

Speaker 5 (01:18:05):
In terms of of coating it, what what would your
top tips for coating it be.

Speaker 11 (01:18:11):
I don't really have many top tips for courting as
to come in and do it. As far as the
courting goes, it's it's a lot nicer than than a
plywood finish. It's there's no inconsistencies or not so it
definitely comes up really nice once it's finished, and we
put a little chamfur on the giint yes, and line
them up with the ceiling, and yeah, it looks stunny.

Speaker 5 (01:18:32):
And because with the NDF skin on it, it does
give you a really really smooth finish, doesn't it It does?

Speaker 11 (01:18:38):
Yeah, it's it's when you look side by side with
NDF and fire, would you get a really nice finish.

Speaker 15 (01:18:45):
Nice.

Speaker 5 (01:18:47):
In terms of some projects coming up, where do you
think you'll be using Tribwald next.

Speaker 11 (01:18:52):
I use triboard on I'd say ninety five percent of
my cabins, so I'll be using it this week. I
buy it quite quite regularly, probably buy a pack of
fifty every two weeks. Yes, yeah, so that's I was
in stock in my in my workshop.

Speaker 5 (01:19:09):
That's brilliant. It's become sort of an integral part of
the buildings that you do.

Speaker 11 (01:19:13):
Yeah, definitely. It's just that consistency and consistency and product
price and availability and.

Speaker 5 (01:19:20):
A finish that you're really happy with.

Speaker 11 (01:19:22):
Yeah, and also the customers love that they come and
they're always impressed with the finish. So that's I I
was a bonus good to hear.

Speaker 5 (01:19:28):
If you want to look at some of Brendan's projects.
Have a look at store dot co dot nz. That's
s t o R dot co dot nz. To find
out more about tryboard, go to j now dot co
dot nz.

Speaker 8 (01:19:42):
Z B.

Speaker 5 (01:19:46):
Just finishing a snack right, Oh, it is six minutes away.
Terribly unprofessional of me. Six minutes away from eight o'clock.
If you've got a question, Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number to call. We'll take your
calls right through till eight thirty this morning, when we'll
jump into the garden with Rud. A couple of texts
that have come through as well. Pete, can I paint
a nineteen seventies brick house? Yes, you can, Bob rob

(01:20:12):
So it's all about the primer, and interestingly enough, typically
it's a pigmented Seala as the recommended primer onto brick
so clean it thoroughly pigmented seila top coats over the
top of that. Whether you do it with a brush
or a roller or potentially even spray, it is completely
up to you as well. Someone has text through this

(01:20:35):
an interesting one. It was a painting question, but it
kind of isn't. So they have a large house at
ground level with internal guttering that sort of class facier
type arrangement and replacing it has been quoted out at
a rate that they can't afford. Seemingly, it's sound and

(01:20:56):
I'd like to preserve it by painting it on the inside.
Can you paint it? There are coatings that you could use,
and I was talking to the guys from Polymer Systems
who do Injuris as a coating that you could apply
to extend the life. So have a look for in
Juris e n d urs. That might be a product

(01:21:20):
that you could apply to the inside. Tricky in those
spaces sometimes, but it will probably extend the life of it. Otherwise,
have a look at some of the really clever systems
that are available for swapping this out. I know it's
been a bit of a perennial topic on the show.
The whole internal what we call internal spouting, so you'll
have a facier board that's metal and then the spouting

(01:21:42):
is clipped into the inside of it. They can be
problematic and I noticed even actually at the Home Show
Home and Garden Show continuous group of there and they've
got a system which allows replacement that comes off facier
goes on, external spouting goes on, so there is ready
made systems available to swap those out.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:22:04):
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Speaker 5 (01:22:26):
Well, very good morning, welcome back to the program. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
That's for all of your calls abround building regulations, products, contractors, rules, regulations.
Were talked a little bit about COCs and sorry not COCs, Yeah,
COCs for electrical work, coas for building work, Certificate of

(01:22:48):
Code compliance on the program this morning, talking a little
bit about weather boards. We had jur painting expert on,
so it's your opportunity to ask questions of a building
nature right through to eight thirty and then we will
jump into the garden with a ret climb pass. From
eight point thirty as well. Quick couple of texts as
well before we took to Lewis two large double glazed

(01:23:10):
windows and endorsed stacker that are fogging inside between the
glass panels. It happens after it's been sunny and then
starts cooling down the cooler months of the year. Is
this normal or perhaps a sign of faulty seals? We
had them installed about eight years ago, but the fogging
has just started in the last year. What are our
options and your advice to remedy this. Well, unfortunately, there

(01:23:34):
probably is no remedy apart from replacement, so it's reasonable
to expect the DJ units not to perform like that
within eight years. So I think if you know who
installed them or more importantly, who manufactured them, well probably
both things are actually important. So one of the things

(01:23:56):
with double glazed units is when they're installed you need
to make sure that they are gapped at the bottom
because if they're just installed hard down onto the frame,
they are likely to absorb more or it can penetrate
the selant. So installation might have been the issue, or
it might have been a manufacturing fault. Either way, find
out who the manufacturer was and invite them back to

(01:24:18):
have a look at it and see what you can do.
In terms of replacement, Do you need a building consent
to replace a wooden sash single glazed window with new
uPVC double glazed windows. This is for a non heritage
listed or zoned house. No, you don't. So what you're
talking about there is the insert might be the insert

(01:24:40):
system where timber frame you keep, You remove the sashes
and the mullions and any fixed sashes, and a new
uPVC insert is fitted into that. I was talking actually
with sort of a mate who wanted to do something
similar the other day. Put them in touch with Stark Windows.

(01:25:00):
They've got a contractor who specialize in this sort of thing.
So yes, it's definitely doable. If you're not changing the window,
Even if you were taking the entire window out and
replacing it with one pretty much the same size, If
you're not altering the width of the opening, you don't
need a building consent for that type of work. It's
done under shood. You're one of the building acts. And look,

(01:25:23):
the performance games are significant obviously with the uPVC but
also with the double blazing. Put those two together, it'll
transform the house. Oh wait, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
Hello, Lewis good a Peter.

Speaker 14 (01:25:39):
I'd like to talk to you about the Fencing Act,
sure if I may. I live in North wite Kadow.
I looked up the White Kadow website and they told
me the Fencing Act was nineteen seventy nine, and I
couldn't find any update date for the current Fencing Act,

(01:26:04):
which is, as you know, six hundred diameter, six hundred
deep footings, one hundred posts, two two meters center, maximum
free rails, etc. Could you give me that date that
come into forest please.

Speaker 5 (01:26:20):
I don't know that there's actually been an update since
the date that you mentioned. I think what might have
changed is the definition of a standard fence, because prior
to that time a standard fence was actually I think
it was a couple of warritas and three rows of
number eight fencing wire that was considered a standard fence.

(01:26:42):
So now it is as you've described it. Good on
you for reading through it. I'm a little bit intrigued
about the six hundred diameter hole for the post to
sit in. That seems a bit excessive, like that's a
lot of concrete around one hundred bi hundred post.

Speaker 14 (01:26:59):
Yes, well that's what that's where I believe the requirement is.

Speaker 5 (01:27:05):
Okay, well, that's interesting. I'm a little bit skeptical, to
be fair, that seems like a very detailed and very
and quite an excessive I mean, if I'm doing a fence,
I'm not using a six hundred orger and then putting
one hundred bye hundred posts in there. You know, I
might be using a three hundred orger and then may

(01:27:25):
be squaring it off a bit, but it ain't going
to be six hundred but either way, So I think
what it is is the definition of a standard fence
has changed, but the act in terms of you know,
having to write a letter, in terms of engagement with
the neighbor, their contribution and so on, that stayed the same.
The principles have stayed the same. It's only the specifics
around what is a standard fence that's changed.

Speaker 14 (01:27:48):
Oh, I'm surprised that I've built a few offences in
my time on why Hickey had a whole lot of
special requirements for putting in fences, even had to get
the council to come out and verify where you're going
to dig the holes for the posts. And you've got

(01:28:10):
to dig them by hand. They were all three hundred
diameter posts. The last fence I built on my Hickey,
I was under the new system of two meter maximum centers.
They required six hundred diameter footings poured in plastic bags.

(01:28:33):
At the moment, I couldn't find any date where this
new requirement come into force, but I think it was
about two thousand and two thousand and five somewhere around there.

Speaker 5 (01:28:48):
So I've just had a look. So there's the Fencing
Act nineteen seventy eight is still called the Fencing Act
nineteen seventy eight, but there is a version, an updated
version twenty thirty December twenty twenty three, twenty three.

Speaker 14 (01:29:07):
I was right on the money twenty twenty three. Well
that's what I'm at.

Speaker 5 (01:29:13):
Yeah, But just just for clarity, I think if you know,
like if counsel are involved in the fence, then I
wonder whether that fence is then part of a building consent,
in which case you know there will be specific design
and so on. Typically you don't need a building consent

(01:29:34):
to do a boundary fence between two neighbors. If it's
not retaining or it's not it doesn't have a surcharge,
or it's not over a certain height and that sort
of thing. Yeah, it won't get specific design.

Speaker 14 (01:29:49):
Right. Well, the situation I'm in, I've got a neighbor
who's removed the support from the ground around right the
area up underneath the fence posts into our by at
least fifty millimeters, and he's removed all the support around

(01:30:13):
the foundations of the fence, which are six hundred diameter
with one hundred posts. The builder had recently replaced a
fence which was built in nineteen ninety five, and this
was done about six months ago. That seems all right.
This neighbor has cut the back of the fence. He's

(01:30:36):
removed all the support, exposed all the fence foundations. He's
taking a dry concrete cutting sare or whatever, and he's
cut down the back of the posts. So he's cut
two hundred and fifty millimeters off the back of the

(01:30:59):
concrete foundations and then knocked it off with a sledgehammer,
and he's taken it down about four hundred and fifty
millim meters in some places. I haven't measured any of
these because I haven't been over there. I've just been
looking over the since I've sewn the council and they've

(01:31:20):
basically done nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:31:22):
No, they'll regard it as a civil matter.

Speaker 7 (01:31:26):
So where do I go?

Speaker 6 (01:31:27):
Now?

Speaker 14 (01:31:28):
Go to the courts?

Speaker 5 (01:31:29):
Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 7 (01:31:31):
So there is.

Speaker 5 (01:31:34):
Under the property law, so Property Act right, there is
some provision around you know, if a neighbor undermines you fence,
you can make a claim against the neighbor. And that
sounds exactly like what they've done, you know, And I mean,
you know, what you would hope is that if for example,
they were doing some earthworks on their side to get
a driveway, and for example, and they needed to get

(01:31:56):
the levels down and they were going to have to
undermine your fence, they would also put in a retaining
wall that would then offer some support to the fence.
But that comes a civil matter. So yeah, it is,
you know, I mean the you might want to get
your lawyer involved, or you might want to do your
own sort of legal research and then take a claim

(01:32:17):
through the disputes tribunal to see whether or not you
can get a contribution for a new retaining wall, or
just go over have a conversation and go look, you've
obviously dug down the fence is going to fall over.
Can you do a retaining wall there? And you might
contribute to it, you might not, but it'll it'll always

(01:32:37):
be just a discussion between you and the neighbor.

Speaker 14 (01:32:42):
I actually live in a retirement village.

Speaker 5 (01:32:47):
Whoever you're you're acting for might be you know, whoever
you whoever the interested parties are, they'll have to have
a bit of a discussion and determine how they're going
to resolve that. But you know, look, I get the frustration,
and it happens a lot with developments. There's a big
article in the paper the other day a family came
home find their hedge, their four meter high hedge had

(01:33:09):
been removed right because the builder next door cut through
all the roots and then thought, oh, it looks like
they're going to fall over. I'll just take them out. Well,
that sort of thing. Have the conversation first seems to
be the answer. Good luck with all of that, Lewis,
and good on you for looking after somebody else as well.
Oh wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call quick one from you, Bob? How are you hello, Bob?

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Speaker 19 (01:35:19):
Good morning to you.

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Speaker 19 (01:35:23):
I've got a thirty three year old house. I've got
a balcony out of my upstairs bedroom which is some tiles.
It's a wooden balcony. It's good tiles which and I
think you know underneath ye. Over the last eighty months

(01:35:46):
I've had a huge subdivision development going on less than
three meters away, so hence wild there was a couple
of cracktailes. I've got, you know, really bad cracktailes, and
the groutings are loose and everything else. I'm looking at
selling shortly. Do I when do I replace it? Before
I fell on two I have had one quote which

(01:36:08):
is about twenty fourced out. Is there something cheaper you
can do it with? About maybe the tiling or do
I need to replate the waterproofine.

Speaker 5 (01:36:21):
I guess the first question is does it leak.

Speaker 19 (01:36:29):
Downstairs? Yeah, there's one week occasionally when the wind blows
ways that I've had it tested three or four years
ago and the guys couldn't find a leak by actually screwting.

Speaker 18 (01:36:41):
The deck.

Speaker 19 (01:36:43):
The deck type thing.

Speaker 5 (01:36:45):
So in most instances, because again, if you're going to sell,
it's going to be one of the questions, and certainly
any halfway decent pre purchase inspection person who comes to
look at it will go okay. So what we see
here is you know, timber, substrate, butanol application direct fix tile. Now,

(01:37:07):
even if the job was done really, really well, there's
a couple of things. One is you're not allowed to
build like that anymore for a number of good reasons.
The other one is that it's possibly reaching the end
of its life, and serviceability is difficult because if there's
a problem with the waterproofing, you can't get to it
because the tiles are stuck down to it. Certainly removing
the tiles is going to damage the waterproofing, in which

(01:37:29):
case you need to replace or repair the waterproofing membrane,
and then you can't direct fixed tiles down to waterproofing
membrane anymore. So you could do like a timber deck,
or you could use jacks with tiles.

Speaker 19 (01:37:47):
Yeah, so that legally that you can't now direct.

Speaker 5 (01:37:54):
Well, it's certainly not compliant with the building code anymore
to direct fix it. And to be fair, I'd be
disappointed if a contractor came along and did what was
there already, even if they said, look, it's maintenance, I'm
doing like for like. The reality is we know that
these things cause a problem, and so you don't want
to leave that problem with somebody else. In fact, if

(01:38:15):
they were to do it and you sold the house
and there's a problem with it, they would be I
think liable for the repairs. So I mean there are
some systems whereby you could, for example, have the tiles removed.
There will likely be some damage to the butteanyl if

(01:38:36):
the buttanyle generally is in reasonable condition, as in it's
still well adhered to the substrate, you could do a
coating over the top of that and then place what
they could like booz on jacks or they're like a
plastic jack that you can put down on top, and
then you can get some of them which allow you
to put tiles directly on them, so thickt tiles like

(01:38:58):
a nineteen mill tile and have effectively a floating deck
or floating surface over the top of the waterproofing. The
advantage of that is that if there was ever a
problem with the waterproofing, you can lift those out and
get access to the waterproofing for repair. So that would
be a much more cost effective solution, you know, But

(01:39:20):
there's you've got to be realistic around the limitations of
how waterproof that might be. If you had extensive waterproofing issues,
and you know, in all fairness to the contractors, typically
if you were doing that work and you wanted to
do a sort of absolute belt embraces approach, you might
be taking the joinery out, you'd be taking the lower

(01:39:42):
parts of the cladding off, you'd be stripping off the
waterproofing completely. You might find for that vintage that the
plywood that's underneath it will be untreated. In some cases,
I've seen that plywood fix down with clouds. The clouds
work their way out of the joist and then the
head pops up above the plywood and is visible, and

(01:40:04):
that can be I've seen it cut through the waterproofing.
So then you say, okay, well then my ply would's
no good, So I'm going to rip up all the ply,
would replace that, maybe increase the fall threshold might not
be one hundred and fifty millimeters, which it's required by
the code. Now you can see how these things get complicated.

Speaker 14 (01:40:25):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 19 (01:40:26):
Yeah, sorry, But in terms of a straightforw.

Speaker 5 (01:40:31):
Would repair, it would be remove the tiles, apply waterproofing
coating that is compatible with the bututinyl, and there are
some of those. There's one product called Injurist that I've
used recently, not for that application, but a similar type thing.
Then you know the jacks and the tiles, that'll give
you a finish that's maintainable, attractive to look at, and

(01:40:56):
you know it's a reasonable solution.

Speaker 7 (01:41:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:41:00):
Is there any other sort of like I was sort
of looking like a place called Superior Waterproofing of something.
Is there any other besides putting tiles down? Any other options?

Speaker 5 (01:41:14):
Well, essentially you either tend to go tiles or timber. Right,
so you might make up a raft like a timber
raft that sits on these jacks on these pedestals. The
whole thing is whatever we put over waterproofing in that
situation where it's protecting a habitable space below has to
be serviceable. So whatever decking system, whether it's tiles or timber,

(01:41:37):
that you put down, has to be designed in such
a way as it can be demountable, can be lifted up,
and you can get access to the waterproofing for maintenance.
So yeah, you can do timber or you can do tiles.
All right, all right, couple of options therefore you okay,
thank you very much, good luck all the us. Take

(01:41:58):
care of them, all of us. Quick text before we
get rid. Actually this is really interesting. One morning, I've
sold part of my land so the neighbors can create
a driveway for better access to their property. We had
someone come over quote the work, accepted it and it
got underway. Halfway through, they realized that a retaining war
was needed and wanted to charge us an extra thirty

(01:42:20):
grand to complete this. Where do myself and the contractors stand.
The contractor has taken some ownership, but the quote has
changed significantly since then. It's a really challenging one because
you know, like a reconably well informed contractor will know
what the heights will be, and you know it's not

(01:42:42):
like a retaining wall magically suddenly becomes necessary. So you know,
was there a problem with the scope of works? You know,
when asking the contractor to price for work, did the
floor levels or the finished ground levels not be clearly
identified or did he just simply or they not take

(01:43:04):
responsibility take due care here to ensure that if they
were going to excavate down half a meter, for example,
then you're going to need a retaining wall. But of
course if it's not in their quote, if they didn't
quote for a retaining wall, then it becomes a kind
of ethical thing as to should they have informed you
that a retaining war was likely so that you could

(01:43:24):
price it into the job. Be interesting to know how
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