The Resident Builder podcast: July 28, 2024

This week on the show, ZB's Resident Builder Pete Wolfkamp discusses the latest issues impacting the world of construction- and answers questions!

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Resident build Up Podcast with Peter
wolf Camp from News Talks at.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
By the house sizzor even when it's dark.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Even when the grass is overgrown in the yard, and
even when the dog is too old to bar, and
when you're sitting at the table trying.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
To start.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Scissor home, even when we again, even when you're there alone,
house Sizzle.

Speaker 5 (01:00):
People, American Morning, and welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the show
this morning morning's Peat wolf Camp the Resident Builder, and
this is the Resident Builder on Sunday, an opportunity to discuss, debate, argue, confrontate.
Is that a word confrontate? I don't think you'd usually
normally use it in this context. But we can talk
all things building, construction, home maintenance, renovation, product selection, we

(01:24):
can talk about contractors and contracts. We can talk about
all things building on the show this morning. So very
good morning and welcome, welcome to the show this Sunday morning,
twenty eighth of July. Crikey. That makes next week, well,
at the end of this week, August already ah see,
And every time another month takes over, I keep thinking

(01:46):
about all of those things that are on my to
do list. I was going to replace the ballisters. I
was going to replace the decking on the veranda at
the back of the house. I was going to finish
the scrolls underneath the windows. I was going to add
some spouting to the shed. Crikey. And that's just my
top four jobs that I had to get done. I'm still,

(02:07):
I'm still. It'll be next week, It'll be next week.
So we're all in the same boat. But if you've
got a job that you've actually managed to crack into
and maybe it's going reasonably well, maybe it's not going
so well, and you'd like to talk about it and
maybe get a bit of advice as to how to
get things going. I may not be much use in
terms of actually getting things going, but hey, we'll give
it a crack. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. A little later on in the show,

(02:29):
we'll catch up with Mike Colds from Ze Construction Systems.
Just a couple of new ideas out there, and then
we're actually going to talk in between sort of just
after the eight o'clock news, Tiles and tile selection, And
because it's it's it's both deceptively simple and incredibly complex
in terms of making the right choice. I'm just I'm

(02:53):
distracted by the first text that I knew this was
going to happen. I'll explain this in just a moment.
There's a lot of choice around tiles, and there's a
couple of sort of basic principles that you need to
think of when you're choosing tiles. Amanda from Tiles Space
is going to join me after eight o'clock this morning.
Red Climb Pass will be with us as well from
eight thirty this morning, so it's going to be We're

(03:16):
into it. We're into it, folks. Eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call if you'd like to text.
If you'd like to text about building issues, that would
be great. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. And if you'd like to email me, if
you've got a photo or something like that you want
to send, then it's Pete at newstalks'db dot co dot
m Z right. First two texts off the bat. Thank

(03:39):
god you returned to that song. It's the best I
knew this was going to happen. My fault because I've
Jack's working with me today and he I didn't bring
him up to date about the change to the theme song.
Second text, great to hear the house. Tune back starting
your show. Oh, anyway, we'll get onto the dilemmas talking

(04:01):
about texts. Also, now I want you calls this morning,
and we'd like to crack into this fairly early. Don't
wait around, because inevitably we can't take all of your
calls later in the show. So if you've got a
building question this morning, call now. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number to call? The on
the text last week I decided kind of part way

(04:21):
through the show, although I had thought about it beforehand
a little bit, that I would run a completely unscientific, unreliable,
completely random poll and it was a simple yes, snow.
The moot was the question was, could you, where you
are living right now, put a sixty square meter minor

(04:42):
dwelling slash granny flat onto your property? And I did
add in there, you know, and could it comply with
building requirements in terms of planning and sighting and all
of those sorts of things. So this is off the
back of the government floating the idea that they will
extend the scope of work that you could do without

(05:03):
necessarily requiring a building consent from the current up to
thirty square meters for something that might be a sleepout
or an office or something like that, through too sixty
square meters that would be fully functioning as a habitable dwelling. Ooh,
now if this is live, this is awesome. Erica Fairweather,

(05:26):
the New Zealand swimmer, has topped the qualifying so she
has won her qualifying in the women's four hundred meter freestyle,
which is remarkable. So very convincing performance by Erica Fairweather
in the pool and the four hundred meter freestyle. So
we'll keep an eye on the Olympics this morning as well.
So anyway, the poll was could you put a sixty

(05:48):
square meter? Because to be fair, I had assumed that
while it sounds like a good idea, very few people
would be able to take advantage of that opportunity. So
we did a pole simple yes no, hoping that people
well understood the regulations that went along with it, and

(06:10):
we got flooded with text messages, which was awesome. And
just in case you're wondering, roughly, because to be fair,
I couldn't count every single one of them. The yess
ended up with forty five votes and the nose at
fifty and I hand on heart, really thought that it
would have been somewhere around let's say we got it's

(06:32):
close to one hundred votes, right, I would have thought
it would have been seventy five percent would have said no.
So obviously a lot more people, well a lot more
listeners great, live in areas where they've got a little
bit more space. Certainly, where I live, we couldn't put
sixty square meter minor dwelling on our property. We just

(06:54):
don't have the space. But obviously a number of you
may be living in slightly more rural areas could potentially
be somewhere else. That's awesome. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty to call. If you've got questions of a building nature,
perhaps a project that's underway, or a little task that
you want to get done and sort it out, then
we can take your calls on. Eight hundred eighty ten

(07:17):
eighty is that number to call. So take a short
break and then we'll we'll rip into the calls. The
lines are free. We do get busy later on. Give
us a call. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
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Speaker 4 (07:39):
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Speaker 5 (07:41):
Used talks B eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. I mentioned just before about the poll.
I'm tempted to do it again in the next hour
of the show and on this one. The moot is
going to be a lot of discussion, enormous amount of
discussion at the moment around whether or not the government
should potentially roll back the H one standard. So very

(08:02):
very brief introduction on my part. There's been a lot
of consultation the industry over a long time, many many
years that we will need to or we wanted to
as an industry, as a sector, as a government driven initiative,
wanted to increase the energy efficiency the energy performance of

(08:23):
New Zealand houses and that part of the Building Act,
or the Building Code rather is so H one of
the Building Code sets out targets for the performance of
buildings and there was lots of consultation. The industry responded,
did a whole lot of work to introduce for example,
thermly broken aluminium joinery, to introduce new types of insulation products, etc.

Speaker 6 (08:46):
Etc.

Speaker 5 (08:47):
And those changes came into effect from the first of
November last year. I'm just trying to summarize this as
best I possibly can. It has always been a little
bit controversial because changing performance standards inevitably adds cost to building,
and some people have argued that that's added in thirty
forty thousand dollars to the cost of building. Others have

(09:09):
argued that it's added less than that. I think certainly
the government has seized upon the notion that it's added
a significant amount of cost to the building process. Therefore,
can we make building more affordable by winding back the
H one changes. So, if you're at all familiar with it,

(09:30):
would you support winding back the H one changes? And
it's going to be a yes or no. Should the
government lower the standards, withdraw some of the advances that
we've made, or withdraw the higher standards and go back,
let's say to a twenty twenty setting. We might do
that in the next hour. We're also because the Olympics

(09:54):
are on going to bring you some live sport that'll
be around six point fifty three eric A Fairweather, who
has qualified for the final of the women's four hundred
meter freestyle event. We will take that for your lives.
Let's get amongst the talk first, Steve, good morning.

Speaker 7 (10:08):
Welcome morning.

Speaker 8 (10:10):
You know we've been debating a point on this floor
under floor insulation. Yes, a little friend down the road
that's putting a whole new floor in the kitchen yep,
and he's got no crawl space or very little. It
was a concrete floor which we broke up and put
joyce and put plastic down yep, and again to put

(10:31):
tongue and grew flooring. And it looked nice when it's done.
But the debate is now he's going to retrofit insulation
and the floor underfloor installation. Now in my house it's
at the bottom of the joist and it's staple turret,

(10:52):
all right, So there's a gap between the insulation and
the floor. Yes, in his case, he's debating as he's
got us headed from the top. Was hardly any fall
space he's put.

Speaker 7 (11:05):
Plastic there, yep.

Speaker 6 (11:06):
Good.

Speaker 8 (11:08):
Should there be a gap between insulation and the floor, Well.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
That's a really good question. I would say that he
the insulation will be more effective if he staples it
to the inside of the joist as close to the
flooring as possible.

Speaker 8 (11:27):
Okay, Yeah, just the way our mind's been done.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
There's gap, yeah, which is kind of okay. And the
reason that I'm suggesting that the gap needs to be
as small as possible is that the basic way that
insulation works as trapping air, right, because air is a
poor conductor of heat. And one of the things that

(11:50):
happens in when you've trapped air is that if there
is air movement, then you're still going to get heat
loss by via convection, right, air moving around. So if
you had your insulation at the bottom of the joists
or even drap underneath the joists, then wherever there is
a draft, you've got air circulation, which is enhancing the conviction,

(12:15):
which is enhancing the heat loss.

Speaker 8 (12:17):
So when he puts the when he puts his bit,
and you'll staple them to the top of the jewist,
so there's no gap between the installation and the flooring.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
Ideally, the gap should be as small as possible. You
won't staple them to the top of the joist because
that's where you're going to nail your tongue and grow flooring,
so you would staple it to the inside of the joist,
right the inside, but as close to the top as possible.

Speaker 8 (12:41):
As close to the top as possible, okay, because there's
no cruel space at that point. We've put breastick down
on the ground. There was concrete, bricks and rubble and all.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
I can imagine.

Speaker 8 (12:57):
So we've ended up with a we little bit of
a grip. So the new Jewists are going to be
well off the ground.

Speaker 5 (13:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (13:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (13:08):
The debate was whether the bets should go to the
bottom of the top, but I think I said, well,
I think if you get it to the top as
near as you can to the full boards, it doesn't
need to put building paper or anything over it. It's
just just the bet insulation stable to the top inside

(13:32):
at the top, and then put the tongue and groove in.
It'll look a nice job.

Speaker 5 (13:36):
And oh look it sounds like a great I mean,
that's a lot of.

Speaker 8 (13:39):
Works through kitchen. It was a kitchen peck kitchen. So
he's able to and pick it all and get it
all off once he's got the floor, and you can
put a reuse.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
Itaful beautiful Ye, good stuff mate, awesome. You take care
see you then bye bye. Oh eight hundred and eighty
eighty is the number to call. Mark a very good
morning to your hand on hand. How can I get
this right? Here we go Mark, good morning.

Speaker 6 (14:04):
Good morning, good morning to quick question please simple glazed
aluminium windows get a lot of condensation built up. And
I've checked. I thought there was a track along the
bottom of the window where with the moisture would drain.
I cannot find any drain whatsoever, any holes have gone through.

(14:25):
Is that there should be a drain, shouldn't there?

Speaker 5 (14:29):
Certainly in newer aluminium joinery that's been built in. I
just wonder whether if it's older aluminium joinery and it
doesn't have let's say, the flashing suite underneath the joinery
that will direct that water to the outside, they may
not have added wheepholes be a little bit uncommon, but

(14:51):
because you've got to think, okay, it's all well and good,
Let's say you have wheapoles and you're directing some of
that condensation down into the bottom liner and then it's
draining out. Where is that water going. I know it's
not a lot of water, but ideally it should drop
on to a sell flashing and be directed outside of
the building envelope, not if you imagine in some cases,

(15:14):
you know, back in the day, we would have had
timber framing, bit of building wrap and then our cladding,
and so water that drains through the bottom of the
window will just sit either on the framing line or
in behind the cladding and not be directed to the outside.
So like, typically I would say to you, well, you
might want to clean them out or drill a new

(15:35):
one adjacent to the ones that are there, but in
fact the result might be directing water inside your building envelope,
which is not good.

Speaker 6 (15:43):
You know, it's I think that the eighties sort of manufacturing.
I think it's bandage.

Speaker 5 (15:49):
Okay, look I tell you, I know vantage is still around.
So i'd be inclined to call or even just pop
into the factory and say, look, this is the joinery
suite I have. Would I typically expect to see wheepoles there,
and I mean, look, they should be They're not large,
but if they were there, they should be reasonably obvious.

Speaker 6 (16:09):
Yeah, because you know it's the amount of times that
you see the jam that's swell wants to get moisture
in them.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
Yep, that's yeah. And that's that's when we had a
great idea of using MDF for our jam liners. It's okay, great,
all right, but hey look there, you know it's it's
not ancient. There will still be guys in the factory
who remember it, so I'd be inclined to give them
a call and just go, hey, look, can I get
a bit of a device please? Thank you very right,

(16:38):
all the best bay quick text. Not about the songs.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
I get it.

Speaker 5 (16:44):
I get it, guys, I really do. Hey, Pete, bang
on zero gap if possible, read the underfloor insulation cheers.
Thank you very much for texting that through. I've been
doing a couple of articles on insulation and how it
actually works, like what's the Thumi dynamics principles behind what

(17:04):
what does insulation do and how that actually work? And
so there are three effective or three elements to the
performance of insulation around how heat transfers. So it's conduction, convection,
and radiation basically or radiant heat. And two of those
conduction and convection can be addressed with insulation to some degree. Anyway,

(17:30):
I quite enjoyed all that reading. Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. We'll get
a breakout of the way. Actually, let's do that, and
then because we're going to take some Olympic sport live
at around six fifty three, Erica Fairweather is in the
final of the women's four hundred meter freestyle. We will
bring you that live at around six fifty three this morning.
Take short break back with Shane in just.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
A moment.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
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Speaker 5 (18:04):
News talks be Pete wolf Camp resid build it with
you this morning. Building questions answered. That's the wholes That's
it in a nutshell, isn't it. You've got a question,
I'll try and answer it. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
teen eighty is the number to call. Shane A very
good morning to you.

Speaker 9 (18:19):
Good morning if Peter, I haven't talked to you for
a while. I'm just about to get the owls and
I'm calling on behalf of my sister. Actually, she bought
a house in Oursley. It's one hundred years old, yep,
and she wants to paint it up and do a
few bits and pieces. But the kitchen was renovated in
two thousand and five. And there's a funny little alleyway

(18:41):
in her kitchen, and at the end of the alleyway
is a wooden wall looks sort of like a sort
of timber, like, like you know, you're sort of timber
what you put on the outside? What do you call those?

Speaker 5 (18:53):
Oh with the woods?

Speaker 9 (18:55):
Yeah, it's a sort of weatherboard looking sort of thing.
It's not shadow plaid or anything. But she's she's quite
a fan of native wood, and she's not sure. It
looks very light colored, and I'm guessing it's pine. And
she tried to talk to an old Jedi master builder
who said, followed the floor grains and that'll tell you
if it's the same wood, which may be Tawa or Remoo,

(19:17):
but not heart Remo because it's not very dark.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
Now.

Speaker 9 (19:21):
Route Climb pasta a app that you can take photos
of innis. Yeah, hence lies a question. If it's pine,
she was going to paint over it, but if it's native,
she'd rather keep it as a bit of a feature.
Is there any app or any way of knowing what
that timber is?

Speaker 10 (19:42):
Well?

Speaker 5 (19:44):
The app was the old Jedi Master Builder. They're the
best app you can find. Okay, let's run through a
couple of options. If the timber is part of the
original construction of the house, right, it's one hundred years old,
so it's a nineteen twenties bungalow in the Ellesley area,

(20:04):
would kind of make sense. Then if it's and let's
assume that it's not weatherboards on the inside, that it
actually is some sort of tongue and groove paneling that's
been installed, I would I would kind of bet dollars
to donuts that it's remove Yeah, no, no, But again,

(20:27):
if it's not heart remove it's it won't It'll be brownish,
but it won't so it won't be that golden color,
it won't be coldy. I'm pretty sure it's unlikely to
be Mattai for example. I I suspect that what it
is is it'll be removed. And the challenge there is
in terms of like stripping it and exposing the timber

(20:50):
is it depends a little bit on how much the
painter has penetrated the fibers of the song of the
fibers of the timber. Sorry painted at the moment, it's
not painted.

Speaker 9 (21:02):
No varnish paint over it, so you can see the
see the what she showed me a photo. But I'm thinking,
should someone get under the floor and see if it's
try and work out whether it's been changed or not,
because you could probably tell from the nails or something,
wouldn't you.

Speaker 5 (21:19):
Yeah, I mean just just kind of look around the space,
like you know, is it part of an addition to
the house, because lots of houses over the years have
had additions to them.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
Is it.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
That's I wonder whether is it part of what would
have originally been kind of like a scullery utility area
at the back of the house. Again, most likely it's
going to be tongue groove. Most likely it's going to
be Rema.

Speaker 11 (21:46):
Right.

Speaker 9 (21:47):
I will pass this information to her and then they
can try and work out the tongue and groove situation
and whether it's been settled with.

Speaker 5 (21:54):
And if it's already exposed, right, so it's been varnished.
Get them to take a photograph of it, send it
to me so it's Pete at NEWSTALKSB dot col and
Z and I can have a crack at it. Someone
suggested it might be Kaikatier, but I Kaikatia is a
bit later ninety twenties. It was basically the Cowori had

(22:18):
all gone by the nineteen twenty seemingly, and so I
actually think it's most likely Ram.

Speaker 9 (22:26):
Yeah right, thank you very much, Pete. I will roll
pass this animation and like to amail me.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
That'd be great. Okay, all the best, Thank you, Shane,
take care of there. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
We have a couple of spare lines for you right now.
If you've got a building question. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call, just on the
sixty square meter minor dwelling thing. Various groups, various individuals

(22:52):
are able to make submissions to government right now about
whether or not they think it's a good idea to
introduce legislation that would allow up to sixty square meters
to be built without necessarily requiring a building consent. You
can still go down the building consent route in terms
of getting something like this permitted. But there is talk about, hey, look,

(23:17):
let's make it a little bit easier, a little bit
quicker for people to undertake this type of work, and
let's remove the consenting part. So I read a very
good presentation or a submission that will go to Wellington.
Just the other day actually from a contributor on the show,
Hamish Firth of Mount Hobson group shared with me his

(23:40):
initial presentation, which I thought was very good, very succinct,
and we'll be interested to see where this goes. Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty then number to call Liam.
Good morning to you, Hello, Liam, Hey, good good a
good thanks.

Speaker 10 (23:56):
I've just got to question around mauld in my bathroom.
We purchased the how about a year ago. It's a
it's a lady he built. I'm not a not very
hand on the tools or I'm not very much of
a di y kind of a guy. To just wondering
to get some black spots on the ceiling, a couple

(24:17):
of specs around the grouting of the of the shower,
and I've been using I've just been cleaning it off
with some different solutions. You know, every couple of months
it'll come back and we we use we use the fan,
we leave the window open the shower and is there

(24:37):
something you know, is there something else I should be
doing or should I be getting someone out to check
the fan is working correctly yeah, I suppose asking your advice.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Yes, I'm.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
You're not doing anything wrong that the house is not
doing its job. So it sounds like you're doing what
you know that you should do, which is, we've got
a fan, so we should use it ideally, either having
the window open or allowing sufficient here to enter the
bathroom when the fan is on stops the fan having
to work so hard. So one of the things. So

(25:12):
I had a similar issue with a property that I
look after right and persistent mold growth on the ceiling,
quite a lot of condensation on the ceiling when the
occupants used the bathroom. We had installed a new fan,
so I was a little bit perplexed as to why
I was still getting these issues in One of the
little things that I did end up changing was I

(25:32):
took the door off and I cut more off the
bottom of the door. So the gap used to be
let's say two or three millimeters between the tile and
the floor, and I cut that down, cut the door down,
so I had a gap of about seven or eight millimeters. Now,
so what that means is when the doors closed and
the fan is on it, it's as the fan is

(25:53):
extracting air from the room it's allowing airflow into the room,
and that made quite a big difference. The other thing
I did was I kind of stopped, asked them to
stop using the bathroom for a period of time, went
and cleaned everything down really, really thoroughly, and then applied
paint that has some mold resistance to it, so a

(26:15):
water born enamel. But so that might be part of
the sort of remediation of this. Yes, I would check
that the fan is one of the things is check
that the fan actually ducks to the outside. It is
not uncommon, unfortunately, to see fans and bathrooms that are
literally a grill in the ceiling with the motor behind it,

(26:38):
so you can hear it wearing, But then it's not
connected to anything right, so there's no ducting from the
fan to the actual outside. The other thing is that
typically back in the eighties we might have put in
one hundred millimeter ducting, which is not enough. So one
of the things you could do is look at getting
an electrician to come in replace the fan with one that's,

(26:59):
let say, one hundred and fifty millimeters in diameter. And
if you were doing that electrical work, I would also
get a fan that has a timer on it so
that when you've finished in the bathroom and you turn
the fan off, the fan will continue to run, let's say,
for five or ten minutes after you've turned the power off,
because the longer the extraction runs, the more moisture it's

(27:22):
able to extract, and the more ventilation it'll it'll provide.
So that's one of those things to do. The other
one is, do you have any often bathrooms get you know,
you know you're in there, you're creating steam, which is
moist air, and then that settles on surfaces and if
it's not dried off, it tends to promote mold growth.

(27:44):
So having like a heated towel rail just to keep
the ambient temperature of the room up is a bit
of an advantage. And then when it comes time to
repair or to remediate the bathroom, then I would there
are some very good but quite aggressive cleaners that you
can use to tackle the mold growth, right because the

(28:05):
spore literally in the fabric of the walls, right, they're
in the walls. So again this bathroom that I did recently,
I went in with moss and mold cleaner which I
got from Razine. When I got it on my shirt.
It took the color out of my shirt. So that's
the sort of material that we're talking right. So I

(28:26):
got in there, I washed every I applied the coat.
I left it on for twenty four hours. Then I
went and rinsed it off really thoroughly. I sanded the surface.
I applied oil based primers, and then I used actually
an oil based top coat and it's been really really good.
Upgraded the fan, added ventilation, made sure that the heated

(28:48):
towel rail stays on, and then that solved most of it.
So a couple of things there to day.

Speaker 10 (28:54):
Just one question around there around the growthing. Should should
I look at that that spot more than the growthing
in the shower and in the basement of the shower. Again,
you just used that scene solution on there no good.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
And for those sorts of things, things like exit mold,
for example, is actually quite effective. So exit mold works
really well. If, for example, the silicon has got mold
in behind it, you could remove the silicon, clean the area,
let it dry thoroughly, and then reapply the silicon, or
have someone come and do the silicon if you wanted

(29:30):
to have the whole tiled shower cleaned. There are a
couple of companies out there that will come through and
do like a really intense clean and then they'll redo
the ground, redo the silicon for you, so you can
upgrade the appearance of the shower without necessarily having to
replace all the tiles.

Speaker 7 (29:49):
Fantastic.

Speaker 5 (29:49):
That's another option for Thanks very much, nice chatting all
the best. All right you Liam, You take care of
the quick consultation with my uber professional producer Jack this morning.
Do we take another call Jack, Let's go to a break.
Let's do that. We've got live sport coming up in

(30:11):
just a moment as well.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Measured twice, God once, but maybe call Pete first. Peter Wolfcamp,
the resident builder with light four solar. It's like the
switch to solar today. Used talks that'd be.

Speaker 12 (30:26):
Very good.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
Text is coming around building regulations for roof ventilation. But
there's a bit in that, so I'm going to save
that and come back to you on that one. Hey Joan,
good morning to you.

Speaker 13 (30:36):
Oh, good morning, Pete.

Speaker 11 (30:39):
I just have a.

Speaker 13 (30:41):
Question. I'm having a stairlift installed and I wondered if
you've got any advice or any questions that you can
suggest I make right have.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
You got more than one provider, like, are there multiple
companies that you can.

Speaker 13 (30:58):
Talk to or is it really just really there's the
very few out.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
There, And I could understand that. I guess what you'd
be looking for is what sort of warranty do they offer, right,
how long have they been in business and what warranty
so and will they, for example, give you at the end,
like a certificate of completion where they say the work
has been done in accordance to best practice and we

(31:24):
warranty it for this amount of time. I would say
that most of the people working in this field are
probably pretty specialized and probably very very good.

Speaker 13 (31:35):
So yes, so they've all been very well, they've been
very professional and all that they've provided for me, and
so I've just really gone ahead. But I thought you
might have some suggestions that I haven't thought about it.

Speaker 5 (31:49):
Now I think you've covered everything, and it really would
be that you would get like a certificate of use
and that that's kind of like a made up thing
in my mind, but it's a document from them to say, hey,
we have installed this in accordance with the manufacturer's guidelines
and we believe that it's safe for use because that's

(32:10):
ultimately what we're all most concerned about.

Speaker 13 (32:13):
Well, one thing that did occur to me that they
sometimes we hear of firms getting subcontractors in now and
you just hope that they're all well school and the
job that they're doing.

Speaker 5 (32:30):
And that's actually a really good question to ask then,
because I know some firms will often you know, they're
just supplying the product and they'll get local installers and
some of those might be more than competent, but in
some cases sometimes there can be a bit of a
communication breakdown. So that would be a really good question
to you as a company. Provide your own installers, and

(32:52):
I would probably feel more confident about a company that
had their own in house team doing the work.

Speaker 13 (32:58):
Oh think. And then just one other question. I'm also
having to have a little bit of electrical work done YEP,
to provide the power for the stair lift. Yes, And
I've also had a quote there from an electrician YEP,
who it all looks very good. Are there any questions

(33:19):
that I should ask him again?

Speaker 5 (33:22):
What will happen there is if it's a registered electrician,
like a fully registered electrician who's coming to do the work,
and that would be the preference would be that they
will issue you with a certificate of completion, right, so
a COOC at the end of the job, which essentially
gives you their details, their electrical registration number, and a
written assurance that the work has done in accordance with

(33:44):
the electrical standards. So I think that's really good as well.
So a registered electrician will always, at the completion of
a job give you a COC.

Speaker 13 (33:53):
Well, that sounds good. There are just some questions I
need to ask.

Speaker 5 (33:57):
I think you've done very good due diligence.

Speaker 13 (34:01):
Well, I've done my vest all right.

Speaker 5 (34:03):
I hope it all goes well. Thanks Joan, Thank you
by one of then take care boy Bay, thank you
God blessed to Actually I was talking with an electrician
about that this week, talking about well to be fair,
we were actually talking about dodgy electricians. There was a
great article on the news talks he'd b website last

(34:24):
week might have been, which summarized a series of findings
from the Electrical Workers Registration Board, their disciplinary board, where
they had gone out and investigated work electrical work that
had been done by people who turned out not to
be licensed to do that work, and in some cases
had then gone on to do work which could have

(34:46):
been life threatening, i e. Leaving wires exposed, live wires
exposed during renovations and alterations, or people installing electrical fittings
that was outside of the scope of their license. So
there is a thing gonna be really careful with this.
There is a thing called a limited electrical license which

(35:07):
allows people who have proved competency to do certain types
of electrical work because it's part of their might be
part of their job. So, for example, I had radiators
installed many many years ago at the house. The guy
who did the work needed to add a PowerPoint for

(35:30):
the califont on the outside of the building to be
plugged into. Now he had a limited license which allowed
him to add the PowerPoint without necessarily having to get
an electrician to come and do the work. I presume
that that's still the case, but typically all electrical work
should be done by registered electricians. Obviously, but it was

(35:51):
an interesting article on the ZB website about the investigations
done by the Electrical Workers Registration Board of people who
had done dodgy and in some cases life threatening work.
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
my feeling is that the next question is going to

(36:11):
take too long to answer, and we've got we're kind
of on standby. Now, let's have a crack at it.
We'll see how we go. Yvonne, Yvonne, if I have
to dash to the Olympics, pardon the pun, I'll just
pop you back on hold. So, Yvonne, tell me.

Speaker 9 (36:26):
What you're up to.

Speaker 11 (36:28):
I have got a two Babila yep, and I am
thinking of adding a conservatory to it. It will be
visible from the road and it will be visible, you know,
it's got an amazing view. So I don't want it
to look like a nineteen eighty seventies whatever tacked on

(36:52):
aluminium conservatory. I want it to look like a mini.

Speaker 5 (36:59):
Bay yep, yep.

Speaker 11 (37:01):
Right, So we'll have a gable roof, and I'm thinking
it needs to be wood and glass rather than aluminium.

Speaker 12 (37:12):
Yep right.

Speaker 11 (37:14):
Where can I go to find some design ideas? It's
going to it'll be three by three, it's going to
be done to a budget, so I can't afford to
involve an architect that google conservatories. All I find is
modernly looking glass and aluminium. How can I go to

(37:37):
get some design ideas?

Speaker 5 (37:39):
I guess if we're in the UK, you know, I
know that there is this kind of a whole industry
around these very kind of cute sort of faux Tudor
or colonial conservatories that are added on to buildings there.
But that's I think there might be one or two

(37:59):
companies in New Zealand whose name elludes me right now,
who might be involved in that, But I think generally
it's not something that we do a lot of here,
so you might struggle to find look for inspiration, have
a look at some of the English websites, and then
it's just going to be a case of continuing to
scroll through a little bit of concern that I might

(38:21):
have is that, because it won't be an off the
shelf item, I think you're probably going to end up
having to get a building consent and getting something drawn
up and made. I can envisage exactly what it is
that you want to achieve. I could imagine building it
to be fair and you know, oh, look, I'd love

(38:50):
to go on a road trip. Look, keep going on
the Google search and that sort of thing. But I
do wonder whether the scope of what you're proposing to
do might in fact push it towards needing a building
consent for it. In some cases purgl is and that
sort of thing that's part of the Schedule one extensions.
But I think realistically in this instance here, I think

(39:11):
we're probably talking about something that may well need a
building consent. Great text message about roof ventilation, So I'll
come to that, but right now it is time for
us to go.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
Now call Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talks.

Speaker 5 (39:26):
Be your news talks, it'd be it is eleven minutes
after seven. Will carry on with the resident builder on Sunday.
You're with me Pete wolf Camp this morning. If you've
got a question of a building nature, Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call now. A
quick couple of texts that came in just with regard
to roof ventilation and regulation. Also in the last hour

(39:50):
we were talking with Joan about having a steer lift involved,
and obviously that's going to involve some electrical work as well.
So I mentioned the whole thing around some contractors having
effectively a limited electrical license to be able to do
obviously limited amount of work, often related to maybe adding
an additional PowerPoint for services, or for example, someone who

(40:13):
might come and install a ventilation system in your house
where they might need to add a PowerPoint into the
ceiling to plug the fan into. For example, that type
of work can be done by someone who has a
limited license to undertake electrical work, but they still must
have a license just limits the scope of what they
can do. And someone texture and hey, is there such

(40:35):
a thing as a limited plumbing license. I've had a
quick look. It would seem that yes, there is a
limited plumbing license, but it's typically issued to those people
who are apprentices. So if you've started working for a
plumbing firm as an apprentice and you want to be
able to do work, which if I was an employer,
that's what I'd want them to be doing, but you're

(40:56):
not fully qualified, you'll get a limited license there, but
it is because you are undergoing training. So to the
best of what I can find a few minutes, there
is no limited plumbers license that might extend to someone
who isn't working or in training as a plumber.

Speaker 12 (41:12):
So there you go.

Speaker 5 (41:12):
That's the info on that. One oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call if you've got
a question of a building nature. The lines are open
and we can rip into a bunch of your calls.
After eight o'clock this morning, we'll actually be talking a
little bit of tiling. So Amanda from tile Space is
going to join us just for a brief chat around
tile selection. It's I think it's one of those things

(41:34):
you go into a tile shop and I've done it
on a number of occasions with different projects we've been doing,
and it can be a little bit overwhelming in terms
of you walk in and then suddenly there might be
five hundred tiles to choose from. So some basic tips
and tracks on tile selection. What's out there guidance around
selecting the right tile. We'll have a chat with Amanda
after after eight o'clock this morning, but right now eight

(41:57):
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. This
text came through from Adrian a moment ago too. Is
there regulation or standards around roof ventilation. We're building a
new house. The builders have insulated the ceiling, and I
noticed that there was condensation on the roof building paper.
The house has a low mono pitched roof. Chairs from Adria,

(42:20):
So I'm just trying to think about the situation here
that you've got it's a minopitch roof, so let's assume
that it's rafters. If it's a low pitch, it's like
seven or eight degrees, maybe you'll have the rafters, you'll
have perlins, you'll have building paper or roofing paper, and
then you'll have the Let's assume that it's iron installed

(42:43):
over the top of that. Then in the space in
between the rafters there will be insulation there. So if
that and then there'll be battens and then eventually there'll
be plasterboard ceiling. Let's say, so I'm curious as to
how you saw the condensation, like did you take the

(43:03):
insulation out in order to see the condensation? And was
the condensation on the underside of the roofing underlay, which
would be a bit of a concern because the whole
point of putting a roofing underlay is that it catches
the condensation that's on the underside of the metal, and
then when that drips off, it will drip onto the
roofing underlay and be directed out of the building. And

(43:26):
ideally that roofing underlay should extend over the facierboard and
drop into the spouting. That's how it should lock. So
when you look at new roofing, you should see the
roofing underlay extend out and then extend far enough out
that it actually drops into the spouting. That's in a
perfect world. So I'm a bit curious as to where

(43:48):
you're seeing the condensation. You're saying it's on the underside
of the roof building paper, but with the insulation in there,
maybe that won't be present. However, your big question is
is there a standard for roof ventilation. Increasingly we're seeing
people adding ventilation strips to the underside of the ridge
flashing so conventional roof to pitches rising to a ridge

(44:12):
at that point there there's like a ventilated strip that
will allow hot air that builds up underneath the roofing
iron to be able to vent out of these ventilated
ridge caps. I actually think it's a really good idea.
I did a little mono pitch roof packed full of
insulation and built it in such a way that I
had airflow that would allow air to draw in from

(44:34):
the underside so down by the spouting, and then because
it was a mono pitch, it had effectively just a
barge flashing at one end, and that would prevent air
from circulating out. So we added a vent there to
vent out that it was going to be a dark
colored roof. It was going to overheat in summer. It's

(44:55):
going to collect all that hot air trapped in that
space between the underside of the roofing and the top
of the insulation. Means that the insulation's got to do
more work in summertime. So venting that hot air was
a sensible solution. So that's what we've done in that
instance there. So look, even if it's not part of
the standards, it would be something that I would suggest
is a really really good idea if it's designed well

(45:18):
to do. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call right, I mentioned too, I was
gonna we could still do that. Let's do a completely
unscientific poll for the next forty five minutes of the show.
In your opinion, should we go back on the H
one regulation. So new H one regulations came in on
the first of November twenty twenty three. The industry had

(45:42):
been gearing up for it for quite some time and
there now so if you get a building consent post
first of November, you will need to comply with the
new regulations of H one, which are increasing levels of insulation,
different types of thermal performance around your joinery, all of
it adding up to hopefully a more thermally effective building,

(46:03):
including slab insalation, whole bunch of things. So the question
is should we roll back those regulations or should we
stick to where we've got to go forward.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
Or go back?

Speaker 5 (46:15):
Roll them back yay or nay? Text us now nine
two ninety two. Hey pete, no, going backwards is crazy.
We paid for the installation. Installation to our standard New
Zealand home didn't cost thirty to forty grand, so I've
failed to see how it will save that amount. And again,
these sorts of numbers that are that are out there
are it'd be really interesting to know whether they're based

(46:37):
with a grace of respect based on fact or whether
they're a little bit of conjecture. Hey, look it's cost
me more to build this house. Therefore I'm going to
brain H one or actually I've done the numbers, I've
done a quantity surveying, I've done a takeoff. I know
that complying with H one has added this cost. Now
undoubtedly it's going to add cost. The argument is is
that adding of cost actually a benefit to everyone going forward.

(47:00):
So how do you see it? Oh eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call if
you've got a question. The lines are open up. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number whether.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
You're painting the ceiling, fixing the fence, or wondering how
to fix that hole in the wall.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Give Peter wolf Cabin call on Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
The resident builder with light four solar flick the switch
to solar today, newstalks B.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
Your newstalks at B, and we're taking your calls. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We're also running this completely unscientific,
un prepared No, no, no, I've thought about it. That's
preparation enough. The simple moot is the government is at
the moment talking about rolling back some of the increases
in standards and performance required to comply with H one

(47:48):
of the Building Code. Some of those things will be
about insulation someone, it will be about slab insulation. Some
of it will be about the thermal performance of the
joinery suite, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It all
gets wrapped up into H one of the code, and
there's lots of talk at the moment about it adding
cost to buildings. In some cases, people are speculating saying
it's thirty forty thousand dollars more to build a building

(48:10):
to H one to the current standard. So there is
a temptation to go, let's roll that back, that'll save
us money. So the question is yes or no, should
the government consider rolling back H one in the hope
that it will make housing more affordable if that is
their intention or was part of H one. Let's not

(48:30):
get into the wys and werefoce. It's just a quick
yay or nay. So thus far I'm just taking them out.
I'm doing the questions right now, more people saying no, Hi,
this is an interesting one, Hi, roll it back. I'm
a building inspector. No, New Zealand requirements are already far

(48:54):
behind the rest of the world. A small and increase
in the initial cost is worth the performance benefit for
the next hundred years. True, if our buildings lasted one
hundred years, maybe that's what we should start to aim for. Oh,
eight hundred eight ten eight is the number to call now.
Just before the news we talked briefly with Yvonne. Hey,
welcome back.

Speaker 11 (49:12):
I had to put my phone on charge.

Speaker 9 (49:14):
Sorry.

Speaker 11 (49:17):
I went on my laptop and I googled clear pimonial
conservatories and I found tangled Wood, which is absolutely amazing website.
But my question is a relation to the current regulations,
would be best to just have it glass and would

(49:39):
including the roof, or would be better to put insulation
and jib the ceiling.

Speaker 6 (49:48):
See.

Speaker 5 (49:48):
I like along with all of this discussion around H
one standards and that there's lots of talk about overheating
in our houses as well. Right now, it's quite clear
insulation does not cause overheating, right poor design and lack
of ventilation causes overheating in our So people are mixing
up two things that shouldn't go together. But in your

(50:11):
instance here, I actually think if we look at how
our environments changed, how strong the sun feels these days,
I don't know that I would do a conservatory that
had a clear roof where I couldn't control the amount
of sunlight and the UV through there. So I'd be
tempted to make it a solid roof, possibly with the

(50:32):
skylight if you wanted to and then do all of
your glazing. But again, we see if this building is
going to be added on to your existing house. I
was again, I was reading about this during the week.
While you may need to comply with the code in
terms of the joinery that you're adding into your new build,
it doesn't necessarily trigger the requirement to upgrade the rest

(50:56):
of the building in most instances. So I'm sorry there's
lots of weasel words in there, but yeah, I mean,
but again, certainly, if you're looking at it being a
solid roof timber construction joinery, that's definitely going to.

Speaker 11 (51:14):
Require a building solid solid roof. Would you put it
as glass or poly cap or do you put it
as corrugated iron?

Speaker 7 (51:25):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (51:25):
I think if it was going to be a solid roof,
I'd go iron, and then possibly with a couple of
roof lights in it where you could control the amount
of sunlight coming in. But you know, I think if
you were to do a large glass roof with no
shading whatsoever and all glass and it's north facing, I
think you know you you're inviting overheating by that design.

Speaker 9 (51:49):
It's east facing, Okay, so morning.

Speaker 8 (51:53):
Sun it's looking out to see.

Speaker 5 (51:55):
Yeah, yeah, look, it's going to come down to design and.

Speaker 11 (52:02):
Fairly low down on the south is yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:04):
Okay, So overheating, well you see. Then again, if it's
you know, you you're in a period, you're in a
climatic zone where it's actually going to be cold for
a decent part of the year. So in that sense,
it's much easier to make a warmer building by having
a roof that you can insulate well than trying to
get that insulation performance out of the glass where you

(52:25):
will struggle to get the numbers up. So in that sense,
it's if it's about the view and you want to
be able to sit there comfortably in winter, then I'd
go for a well insulated roof and a beautiful view.

Speaker 11 (52:38):
And would you have it or would it have to
be double glazed or triple glazed or I would.

Speaker 5 (52:43):
Say that you would probably end up with double glazing
without a doubt. High performance double glazing should be all
that's required.

Speaker 11 (52:50):
And what's that that's about broken.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
And thermly broken aluminium jeweery, So typically you have that's
only an aluminium jewery. So timber joinery has always been
known to be one of the most thermally effective types
of material that we can use for joinery. Right, So
timber is effectively a poor conductor of heat, whereas aluminium

(53:16):
is a very very very good conductor of heat. So
by making all of our window joinery out of aluminium,
we've allowed all of that heat loss around the perimeter.
So one way of preventing that is to introduce a
break between the inside and the outside face of the aluminium,
which is pretty much what thermally broken aluminium joinery is

(53:38):
all about. But if you're going to do it in timber,
you're you've already got your performance built into the just
into the timber.

Speaker 11 (53:45):
Basically, what would trigger a building consent or not trigger in.

Speaker 5 (53:51):
I think that by the scope of what you're describing now,
I think it's going to trigger the requirement for a
building consent. But again, you know, even if you don't
need a consent, you're still going to need someone who's
going to design it, right because you've you've got span
and roof, pitch and junction detas, tails and so on.

Speaker 11 (54:07):
So even it's only three meters three meters.

Speaker 5 (54:10):
Yeah, but you know, unless you see this is this
is where like we can take your example and extend
it to other builds. Right, So let's say we can
do more work that doesn't necessarily require a building consent.
But even work today that can be done without a
building consent still needs to be done to the building code.

(54:30):
And the assumption then is that any builder that turns
up to build it knows the building code to such
a specific level of detail that they can without having
a set of plans, build to the building code.

Speaker 7 (54:45):
Now.

Speaker 5 (54:45):
I know some builders who are that competent, but to
be fair, I've met plenty of others who aren't. So
that the problem with removing the requirement for a building
consent is that you know, potentially you're you're going to
invite someone to come and build something for you that
needs to comply with the code, but their level of

(55:07):
knowledge or experience is going to be insufficient and they
are potentially, either willingly or unwittingly going to build something
that is not going to comply with the building Code.
So somewhere on light yep, even.

Speaker 11 (55:21):
If I've got an LBP to do it, which is what.

Speaker 5 (55:25):
I intend to do, I would love to say to you,
hand on heart that every single LBP knows the building
Code to such a sufficient detail that they could build
something to the code without having a set of plans
to tell them how to build to the code. Yes,

(55:47):
I'd be naive and saying to you that every single
LBP out there could build a modest structure to the
code without having a set of plans. I would challenge
anyone to tell me that I'm wrong in saying that
I don't think that the level of competency for all
of the lbps is such that people could do that.

Speaker 11 (56:10):
Okay, thank you very much.

Speaker 5 (56:11):
Lovely to talk to you all the very best. Okay,
take care then, right, I need to take a break
and I can catch up with the accounting because the
texts are coming in fast and furious, which is awesome. Yes,
we'll no answer, and I know it's way more complicated
than that. I know there's so many more variables, but
I'm interested in today. It's just simple stuff. Should the

(56:32):
government The government has floated the idea of rolling back
H one requirements. Should they do that?

Speaker 4 (56:37):
Yes or no? Squeaky door or squeaky floor.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcab the resident builder
with light four solar, save on solar and earn airpoints
dollars used talks.

Speaker 5 (56:50):
That'd be right, he oh, text messages coming and I
take you text questions as well. A couple of interesting
points that have come in on this survey. So essentially
the survey is that I'm interested in getting your opinion
on is government have at the moment, along with the
whole raft of changes that they seem to be introducing, said, look,

(57:12):
should we roll back H one requirements because plenty of
talk at the moment that it has added significant cost
to buildings at a time where it's already expensive to
build and we've got housing in affordability as an issue.
Is this it might be nice to have, but is

(57:34):
it something that is practical right now? So they're looking
at rolling it back. So a couple of people have
texted either yes or no. Actually, to be fair, it's
pretty even right now. And a couple of people have
added comments things like no to changing the insallation standard. Yes,
dependent on the area so in Chicago to the far North. Yes,

(57:55):
definitely roll back the changes. No, we should improve interior
wall insallation. Well that's not even in the building code
right So right now there is no requirement to insulate
any internal petitions at all. I think it's a great
idea if you do do it. Certainly the houses that
I've worked on where we have done it, it has

(58:16):
changed the warmth certainly, but also the acoustic performance and
also the just the general feeling of solidness about them.
If you insulate all of the internal petitions, I think
in my mind it's a no brainer. It would be
one of those things that if you're tossing up where
do I spend my money? I would go, yeah, Actually,

(58:38):
if you can, you know, maybe cut your cloth and
spend the money on putting internal insulation between internal petitions.
You won't regret it. Ever, It'd be my opinion. The
problem with the additional cost of the building is this,
why build a house that costs more than it's worth
to sell when it's finished. It would be the death
of developments. And that's probably where most of the loud

(59:01):
voices are coming from, bill from developers who are already
struggling to present to market at the current building costs
houses that they can get their money back on. And
a couple of other comments have come in about gouging
and da da da da da. I don't even think
put that aside and just go actually, right now, I

(59:21):
know plenty of developers that have done the numbers and
have gone, Actually, you know what, right now, it's going
to cost me.

Speaker 7 (59:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (59:26):
You know, seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars to build.
I've already put four hundred thousand dollars into the land.
I can sell it for a million. Well why would
I do that? Well, you won't. And that's why there's
a lot of building sites sitting empty right now. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number cut call.
And I made a comment about lvps and qualifications and competency,
I guess in a nutshell. And so the assumption being

(59:52):
that if an LBP comes to do the work, they
will be fully conversant with all of the items within
the building Code and be able to build without a
set of plans to the building Code. And I think
that that might be true for a few Unfortunately, Look,
if I had to build without a set of plans,

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could I do it absolutely spot on to all of
the requirements with the building code without having a set
of plans to refer to? To be fair, I think
I'd struggle. I'd have to spend a lot of time
doing my own research. That's why we have plans Pete.
Regarding the LVPS, I'm shocked at the amount of times
I have to point out simple building code standards and
manufacture aspects to builders when I'm on site. I'd have

(01:00:36):
to say it's over fifty percent don't know or are
not sure. Now, this is Craig who's a regular correspondent,
and I value his opinion because he works as a
building inspector, so he's seeing it on the shop floor.
Let's say on a daily basis. Right time for your calls,
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call, and inviting your texts as well. With regard

(01:00:58):
to all of this talk. Now, the other thing is
I have actually put in a request to have the
Minister Chris Penk join us on the show, which I'm
sure will happen sometime in the next couple of weeks
or months. So I'm looking forward to that as well,
and we can ask him directly what's behind this thinking. Oh,
in fact, we might even have a decision by then.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

(01:01:20):
to call. Take a short break back in the mote,
your news talk zb coming up seven forty two and
a half. Here in news Talks, b Red Climb pass
Remember in the garden with us at eight thirty and
Amanda from Tile Space with us after eight o'clock, just
talking a quick a couple of tips and tricks around
tiles selection after eight o'clock as well. Kathy, a very

(01:01:41):
good morning, good morning. Hey there you doing.

Speaker 14 (01:01:45):
Yeah, what a tenant be expected to stay in a
place while the house was border to standards like say,
for instance, the whole kitchen, the line, the bathroom, the
second bedroom, in the lounge underneath the house where it's rotten,

(01:02:10):
would they be expected would that be healthy?

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
Interestingly enough, when you're because the producers put in a
quick text for me around so that it was do
you live in the house when you're renovating if you're
doing it full time? So what I wasn't aware of
is that you're a tenant. So in this instance here,
I suppose there's two different approaches. One is most tenants
struggle to get their landlords to do any work on

(01:02:37):
the property at all, in which case one response might be,
isn't it fabulous that my landlord is upgrading the property
that's going to be awesome, right, and hopefully you get
the benefit of that. So that's one way of looking
at it. The other is, I'm a little surprised that
a landlord would undertake those sorts of extensive renovations with
a sitting tenant. Typically, if you're a landlord, you'd wait

(01:03:01):
until the end of the tenancy and then while it's vacant,
you'd get in there and do all of that work.
Because it is quite disruptive. So has the landlord talked
to you at all about maybe reducing the rent or
suspending the rent while the work is underway. I mean,
for example, if you don't have access to a kitchen
for a period of time because it's being replaced. While

(01:03:24):
you get the benefit of the new kitchen, you also
have the detriment of not being able to cook for
a period of time. And you pay the rent you
would expect to be able to cook, right, Yeah, I was.

Speaker 14 (01:03:41):
I did ask that because the place I live and
has been substandard for a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:03:47):
But there's a couple of people that were involved. One
wanted to shift me to another property. Another one who
was throwing in said that I could stay here while
the work was being done, and I found that quite
disruptors because there's so much work that needs to be done.

(01:04:11):
So yeah, I thought it would be quite unhealthy.

Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
Sorry, Kathy. I mean, like, in this instance here, how
would you feel about moving to another property and then
moving back into this one when it's done.

Speaker 14 (01:04:29):
I wasn't given that option, right.

Speaker 5 (01:04:33):
Okay, has there been any I don't think it's unreasonable
to offer some compensation for the disruption, and I know
that you will get the benefit of it in the
long term. But I guess there's also nothing to stop
you moving out afterwards, or for the tendency agreement not
to be renewed or something like that, because remember, one

(01:04:55):
of the proposals at the moment is also that no
fault tenancy terminations will be reintroduced.

Speaker 14 (01:05:06):
Okay, how your show is really good, but I learned
so much. Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:05:12):
No trouble at all. I think it's for you. It's
probably just a discussion, you know, with your landlord to go, hey,
look what's you know, what's involved here? And I guess
you know, if, for example, if I was in your
shoes and I was getting a new kitchen and maybe
freshening up of other spaces then I would also want

(01:05:33):
and you were going to put up with the disruption,
you'd also want to say, look, can we agree to
a two year tendancy, for example, so I get the
benefit of it after that. That would be part of
my thinking around it as well. All right, lovely to
chat with you all the very best, take care. A
couple more texts on that. Will the landlord do a

(01:05:54):
huge rent increase after the work has done? Well, that's possible,
isn't it, Pete, In your opinion, is the cost of
new insulation forty five thousand dollars or more? As the
minister says, that's from Lorraine. Look, I think that well,
I think it's not a simple answer, and in fact,
I've heard myself say this. It's complicated, it's complex, it's

(01:06:14):
not simple, and I'm kind of going, well, just saying
that doesn't give people any answer. So let me think
on this for just a moment and give you a
more considered response than an off the cuff one around
the forty five thousand dollars and how we might have
got there. Let's do that. In the meantime, it's a

(01:06:38):
great opportunity to catch up with Mike.

Speaker 12 (01:06:42):
There's plenty happening at the moment.

Speaker 7 (01:06:43):
Pete.

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Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
To you, thanks Tate News Talk, said me extra, so
I'm not surprised.

Speaker 15 (01:08:13):
The question has been asked where the key we rail
should continue running the fairies, but if not them, who
and how we're going to deal with the replacement of
the fairies and the land side infrastructure. A big picture
plan needs to be in place before we start making
other changes like creating a new entity to run the fairies.
It is clearly a complex business with specific challenges and

(01:08:36):
maybe those who know it best should hold the reins
for a little longer until we know where the business
is heading. The government received a report from the Independent
Ferry Advisory Group a few weeks ago. Decisions are yet
to be made about the recommendations it contains. Once that's done,
it will have to go to Cabinet, so it may
take some time, but the government scrapped the previous plans,

(01:08:57):
so the onus is on them to get moving. In
the meantime though, I suggest into Irelander just step up,
own up, do themselves a favor from the grounding.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
That was a Newstalk ZB extra.

Speaker 5 (01:09:11):
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(01:09:32):
to be talking a little bit of tiling after the
news at eight o'clock. We're into the garden with red
climb passed from eight point thirty and during the break,
actually I did a tellia and right now on our
text responses as fast as I can add them up,
it's dead heat. Twenty one people have voted no, twenty
one people have voted yes to my moot, which was

(01:09:55):
should the government Well, the government is considering rolling back
H one requirements to let's say twenty twenty two standards
rather than twenty twenty three standards. Is that a good idea?

Speaker 7 (01:10:08):
Yes or no?

Speaker 5 (01:10:08):
And we've had a bunch of texts which has been awesome.
So it's interesting to see that it's not a clear
cut Yeah, this is excessive, let's roll it back. But
it's very very even. So I'm trying to as best
I can summarize some of the debate around the H

(01:10:30):
one standards. I think the problem and this becomes an
opinion right on my part. So when it was introduced,
one of the there's three parts to a pathway to compliance, right,
So H one sets out the standards, and then there
are three ways to achieve compliance in terms of how

(01:10:51):
you do the calculations. The most straightforward way is called
the schedule method, which I would call, respectfully the tick
box method. You go to the building code, you go
to three six O four, and you scroll down the
insulation requirements and in there what you'll find is that
the R value for all ceiling insulation has gone across

(01:11:15):
the country to R six point six. That's in the
schedule method right now. Now our six point six insulation
is about three hundred milimeters of insulation. There is an
obvious problem that if you're building a roof that's got
one fifty by fifty rafters, you don't have the space

(01:11:36):
to put three hundred milimeters of insulation into a one
hundred and fifty one one hundred and forty milimeter gap.
So then you go, well, if I stick to the
schedule method, I'm going to have to use three hundred
by fifty rafters. Now they are obviously twice as expensive
as a one to fifty one, and my roof is

(01:11:57):
going to be taller, all my building's going to be lower,
and all of these sorts of things. So there is
a knock on effect to using the schedule method for
calculating your heat loss calculation. Then there is the calculation
method which is more nuanced. So you go, okay, well,
I'm actually going I'm going to pitch with one fifty

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rafters so I can get maybe R three point six
in there. So in terms of my total heat loss,
I'm going to have to look at increasing insolation in
my walls, or making my windows more effective, or doing
some better stuff with underfloor installation, et cetera, et cetera.
To get a better number all round because I'm calculating it.
And then the next step is you can do proper

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thermal modeling where you send out your design specific to
an engineer who specifically calculates the thermal performance of the building,
and then they will give you a series of recommendations
as to how you would achieve compliance. I think the
problem and the reason that there is so much pushback
to the changes of H one is because the government

(01:13:03):
or the government bodies in their wisdom, pushed out schedule
method and said R six point six is the minimum
standard for sealing insulation across the country. Madness, like utter
utter madness to have done that. I think they should
have been honest and just said we're not going to

(01:13:23):
have a schedule method anymore. All buildings need to be
modeled or calculated. It's not that hard to do, and
that would rather than this kind of literally sledge hammer
to crack a nut type approach by going we're going
to make it R six point six. Even years ago,
I was in discussions with people about adding more insulation

(01:13:43):
to roof spaces and the opinion was once you got
certainly in anywhere from Taupo North, for example, once you
got above R five. The benefit to adding more insulation
is negligible and in fact, it might cause a couple
of other issues. So you know, then putting this blanket
requirement of R six point six across all of the country,

(01:14:07):
regardless of your climatic zone, is just clumsy, and I
think it's that that's got people's backs up. Yeah, doing
aluminum joinery thermally broken because you want lots and lots
of window space, that is more expensive than non thermally
broken aluminium. The joinery manufacturers have all tooled up to
provide this new fabrication method, and they're not I would

(01:14:32):
imagine they're not going to be too happy at the
idea that suddenly all of that extra work that we've done,
all that investment, we didn't need to do it. Well,
thanks very much government for that. So in my mind,
I think they were clumsy and introducing the schedule method
with such heavy requirements. And then I think too, builders, developers,

(01:14:53):
designers and that have been a little bit clumsy in
their approach by going, well, I'm going to have to
stick to the schedule method, whereas if you go for calculation,
you can actually make quite significant gains to the overall
thermal performance of the building without spending forty five thousand
dollars would be my response. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Will continue talking all things building, construction and regulations. I've

(01:15:16):
made the comment the other day I've never known a time,
and I've done the show for ten years now. We're
building has had so much sort of political coverage as
it does right now. I think the debate is fantastic.

Speaker 12 (01:15:28):
Bring it on.

Speaker 5 (01:15:28):
The more discussion the better. Right, We'll be back straight
after new Sport and weather call us now, Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. Your news talk said, oh, now, also,
we're going to do tiles and we've got rid climb
pass coming in at eight thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Measure twice, got once but maybe Collpete first, Peter wolf Camp,
the resident builder with light four solar flick the switch
to solar today newstalksb.

Speaker 5 (01:15:54):
Your news talks, Hebpete wolf Camp with you. We're talking
all things building, construction, renovations, alterations, regulations, insulation. We've had
a I'll tell you what right now, my my completely
unscientific regulated random pole is neck and neck and the
simple answer was should they roll back?

Speaker 7 (01:16:13):
EH?

Speaker 5 (01:16:13):
One or not. This is the proposal that's out there
at the moment, and literally it is neck and neck,
twenty three votes either way at this point in time.
So we'll run that through late thirty. We are going
to be talking. We've got a couple more calls lined up.
But I was in like, I like to think that
I'm reasonably familiar with tiles, And in fact, when I
started building, one of my first jobs working with Tom

(01:16:37):
was while we were building, we were also tiling, and
so I tiled with Tom a whole bunch of bathrooms
and that in a retirement village. We did thirty forty bathrooms.
So tiling's been kind of something that I've been involved
with for quite a while, and I like to think
that I'm reasonably familiar.

Speaker 4 (01:16:54):
With it and so on.

Speaker 5 (01:16:55):
But it is equally daunting. And I was in the
tile Space store the other day and I looked around
and I thought, Wow, imagine if this is your first
time looking at tiles or choosing tiles, how daunting would
it be. Thought, let's get someone from tile Space to
walk us through some of this. Hold our hands as
we go through the store. Amanda, are very good morning
to you. How are you very very well. And like

(01:17:17):
I say, I know you've been involved with tiles for
quite some time. My own experience goes back. We're getting
on forty years now, so it's it's it's kind of
all the same, but it's also changed a little bit
as well. So one of the things that I'm keen
to have a chat with you about is person walks
into the store, maybe it's their first renovation, but where
do you start in terms of choosing tiles.

Speaker 16 (01:17:40):
Yeah, that's a really great question. So obviously it can
be really overwhelming to walk into a tile shaft and
sort of r I prevented to you. So I think
a good place to start is always from a functional perspective,
choosing that the right finish for the right applications is
very important, and narrowing down a floor tile versus a
wall til again is another thing to consider. So obviously

(01:18:04):
for bathroots, which is a big one that people are
looking at tiles for, you know, do you go an
anti slip or do you go in a polish And
there's actually no internal regulations residentually, so again it's about
having a bit of guidance there. So that finish would
be the most popular way to go for a bathroom floor.

(01:18:26):
But technology is evolving all the time, of course, so
we now have echo tiles which have an out finish
on the meaning that you can have that slip without
the cleaning factor. So that would be a first place
to start, is you know which finish for which application.
Especically wise, anything goes. So you know that opens up

(01:18:48):
a whole other side of things there, and that's where
our design space really rendering service.

Speaker 5 (01:18:55):
Can really help, just on the non slip thing, just
because I know that in some cases some tiles are
suitable for both walls and floors, but in other cases
it's very specific. That's a wall tile and this is
a floor tile, and neverthe two shall meet or you
shouldn't interchange them. But all of that guidance is available.

Speaker 16 (01:19:14):
Ah, absolutely, so install all of our experts can help
you with that. A good rule of thumb is that
a floor tile will go anywhere you want to put it,
where the wall tile is only for the wall.

Speaker 5 (01:19:25):
Okay, even I can remember that. That's awesome.

Speaker 16 (01:19:28):
Well, that makes it easy.

Speaker 5 (01:19:30):
Then the other thing I guess is, once we've got tiles,
you know we're a little bit down the path. What
about choosing things like grout and guidance around colors. How
would you advise people there?

Speaker 16 (01:19:40):
So grout can make such a difference to the overall
look and and also performance of tiles, so that's something
to consider as well as the formulation of grout, so
you have your cement based versus epoxy. We would always
recommend an epoxy grout in wet areas anywhere you can
put it, really we would be recommending it. But in
terms of colors, we can offer all of that advice

(01:20:02):
for you in store. It's really important that your communicat
this with your tiler as well, or else they can
be quite prone to just putting in what they think
is best. So okay, I know it's about having the
open lines of communication there. But again, so it's sort
of cycling back to our three D design service. We
can mock all of this up for you in the

(01:20:22):
store so you can see it in real time, which
is pretty cool now.

Speaker 5 (01:20:25):
That rolls off the tongue the design service. But I
have to say, and I was in the store with
a client not long ago, and so the client bought
in essentially a floor plan, right, so it showed the
size of the room, location of the window where the
shower was going to be, et cetera, et cetera. And
you take that basic information, enter it into this design

(01:20:48):
space software and then they'll go, actually, I really like
that wide format three hundred by six hundred tile. Can
you show me what that looks like?

Speaker 16 (01:20:57):
And then we can do that so you can see
it in real time. We can swap things out for you.
It's incredible. It's a game changer because then.

Speaker 5 (01:21:06):
I was looking at it, and I was looking at
it from a practical point of view, because I'm thinking, Okay,
let's say that wall's two point three meters wide and
I go for a six hundred tile, then I'm going
to have to have a cut. So do I start
in the center with a line and workout do I
take a full tile in the center and have a
bigger off cut on either end. But all of those changes, actually.

Speaker 16 (01:21:28):
We can play around with your layout passions and then
you go out with we can do all of that
in front of you. It's pretty incredible.

Speaker 5 (01:21:36):
Because you know, again with the gross respect, one of
the things I think that as a contractor, you know,
if you're a first time renovator, it is daunting, right
trying to understand what that tile's going to look like
in the space. And I know, over the years I've
been into the tile store and I've come away with
boxes of samples and then I'm standing in the room

(01:21:56):
holding them up trying to imagine what they look like.

Speaker 16 (01:21:59):
It's so hard to visualize withn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:22:02):
It's a little bit it's a little bit daunting. So look,
I I thought that it was a really really useful
piece of kit. Yeah, I thought it was staggering. So
it's a little bit of software that's.

Speaker 16 (01:22:14):
Available a total game changer.

Speaker 5 (01:22:17):
Yeah, I seriously, I thought it was really impressive in
terms of like, if there's a requirement for slip resistance,
is that immediately available in terms of the data sheet
that comes with the tiles, because some people are really
concerned about, you know, installing the wrong type of floor
tile for example.

Speaker 16 (01:22:35):
Of course, of course, so something to bear in mind
is that there are no internal regulations residentially, so it
would only apply to access ways externally, so that it
gives you a little bit of peace of mind there.
But any information technical specs that you need regarding our tiles,
we are more than happy to provide that for you

(01:22:56):
and sort of guides you through the process as well,
so we can chat all about that and store.

Speaker 5 (01:23:02):
Awesome and tile space there right throughout the country, ain't
that's a lately.

Speaker 16 (01:23:06):
So we have recently launched our two stores in Dneeda
and christ Church, bringing us to the South Island, which
is very exciting so nationwide.

Speaker 6 (01:23:15):
Absolutely brilliant.

Speaker 5 (01:23:16):
Really appreciate your time and again if you're going to
the store, seriously check out that design space. But kit
it is. It is a fantastic piece of all right,
lovely to talk to you, a MANA much appreciated you.
Take care by then you and new stalks and seriously
it was. It was because if you've if you're a
bit like me, I can visualize most things off a

(01:23:36):
set of plans, right, and I kind of know I'm
staggered over the years, quite seriously, and I've been in
the situation where we've built something and the owner comes
in and goes, I didn't think it was going to
look like that, and you go, but hang on, I've
built it exactly as per the plan, right exactly, and
they go, yeah, I didn't think it was going to

(01:23:57):
look like that. Yeah, okay, So there is a challenge, seriously, around,
you know, visualizing things to be able to see it
in a software program that takes your space, creates a
three D model of it and then puts the tiles
on the wall and you can move them around. You
can change the coloring and change the grouting and change

(01:24:18):
the color selection. It was an impressive piece of kit.
Even I found it incredibly useful. Eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. We're talking all things building this morning, and Peter,
thanks very much for waiting.

Speaker 13 (01:24:28):
How are you.

Speaker 17 (01:24:29):
I'm doing great things yourself.

Speaker 5 (01:24:31):
You're not bad, thank you.

Speaker 17 (01:24:33):
So I have an issue with my basement and that wall.
The water is coming through if the weather's coming from
that direction when it rains, it's the delta out of
an open aggregate mixer. So anything I can apply to that,
do you stop that water coming through?

Speaker 10 (01:24:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:24:52):
There are so it's not an uncommon question. It's not
an uncommon question in Auckland, with whether we've had over
the last couple of years. So are you sure that
the water is migrating its way through the walls. It's
not a leak from a flashing or a detail further up, No.

Speaker 17 (01:25:12):
No, it is definitely from the walls.

Speaker 5 (01:25:14):
Yeah, right, so could you get to the outside of
the wall and waterproof the wall properly?

Speaker 17 (01:25:22):
It's built into a bank, so's it's it would be
difficult to do here. It could be possible, it would
be very difficult to do.

Speaker 5 (01:25:31):
That, so if you took a belt embraces approach, that
would probably be the one to go for that. You
remove all of that backfill, expose the wall, clean the wall,
add waterproofing, add drainage coil, so something like Bailey, Black Snake,
do the aggregate, et cetera, et cetera. If that's impractical,
then if the inside face of the wall is unpainted,

(01:25:52):
it's just bear masonry. You can apply like a crystalline
solution which migrates through the wall looking for moisture, right,
And that's things like Sims crystal Proof, and there's probably
a couple of other brand there as well. Now, what
you can't do if you've applied that later on One
you can't apply it if there's paint on the wall,

(01:26:13):
so you'd have to get rid of that. Two you
can't then paint over it either. So if it's an
a habitable space it's not really designed for that. You
could possibly batten it and line over the top of it.
You can't paint over the top then you then there
are other more elaborate situations, which is kind of a

(01:26:34):
UK based one where you add like an entire false
wall and add drainage and so you can't solve the problem,
but you're dealing with the problem by taking the moisture away.
But I think that if it's intermittent and you can
the wall is exposed and you can use a crystalline solution,
that's probably your best bet.

Speaker 17 (01:26:54):
I'll go, all right, connect can that be sprayed on
or no?

Speaker 5 (01:26:59):
Typically it's a brush, I would brush it on. I
think certainly when I've used that, I've just applied it
with a brush.

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Steve in just a moment.

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Speaker 5 (01:28:42):
I feel I've shot myself in the foot. Someone's just
text through Yes, Now you've explained the cost implication. Thanks
for raising this. My long exgesis on my thoughts around
the insulation was to encourage you to adopt the insulation
guidelines not necessarily schedule method. But I don't want to
see it rolled back personally, So we'll see what do

(01:29:03):
you think, Steve, Good morning to you.

Speaker 7 (01:29:06):
Get O Pete. So I'll have a little debate with
you on this one. Pete. Sure, I've been the building industry,
as you know, thirty years as a qualified builder and
architectural designer. Look, I've been. I just want to focus,
sorry is to South Island people, but look just purely
to the North Island right and Auckland and above and

(01:29:26):
our region, our climate region and the implications of the
new insallation requirements for a starting point, Pete. As you know,
the construction industry is a mysterious place to most people
right until they actually build, and then they find out
what it's all about very quickly in the costs, may
get educated with it. And the problem is, you know what, Pete,

(01:29:48):
we didn't. So I've been. I've had thousands of clients
right over the years, and people who have actually got
the new insulation that was pre so most new Zealanders
wouldn't have realized we already had a massive insulation requirement
upgrade right in the building code to the latest one,
which has really thrown it right up right. There were

(01:30:11):
climates doubled, so the one that was just superseded the
previous one to what there is now. Look, people who
have had that in the Auckland region and the double
glazing and those beefed up the beefed up insulation, the
walls and the and the ceilings, they were more than happy.

(01:30:31):
They're more than happy with with the with what with
hell it was performing and keeping people warm. I've I
didn't hear a single client complained that it was too cold.
Never right. It was always the people who are rappling
around in the old villas and bungalows with no insulation.
And I think the problem is that it was those

(01:30:52):
people who got canvas and questions surveyed as to whether
they thought it was a good idea to have more insulation.
We actually can the government canvas for the wrong people
when you know they went through and made these decisions
to upgraded again to the latest requirements, because they should

(01:31:12):
have asked the people, really shouldn't they With the previous
requirements whether or not they needed.

Speaker 5 (01:31:18):
Look, I'm all for asking the people, but I'd prefer
to talk to experts to be blunt, So I mean
it would be yeah, and look, in a sense, I
would agree with you. I think that the blanket requirement,
so the schedule method is what has tripped them up,
right by going, Okay, if you're going to do schedule method,

(01:31:39):
you're going to have R six point six in your
ceilings in every single climatic zone, which is kind of
nonsense really, because you're right, there is no there is
little benefit to doing that much insulation, let's say in
the far North or even in Auckland, as long as

(01:31:59):
as long as you've done other stuff. I think I
can understand why they've left the schedule method in. And
I suspect that the reason for it is because you
still want to leave with people the ability to design
a modest building by just using the three six o four. Right,
So you go to three six o four, you go
to the insulation guide, you see what it is, and

(01:32:21):
you can go on and build it. But I just
wonder whether it's time to let go of that really
simplistic approach to building and say, actually you know what,
because our energy performance is actually really important. The minimum
requirement is that you do a calculation on it, right
and there are online calculation tools that you can use.
You go to the Green Building Council, use their online
tool and you'll be able to figure out what your

(01:32:43):
heat loss calculation has to be. So why not just
say in future, what we need is you all to
calculate how your building's going to perform, which allows us
to figure out what its location is, the size of
the building. You know, you can make adjustments. If you
make the windows a little bit smaller, and you find
that you've got sufficient insulation in the walls, then you
might not even need theirmly broken aluminium, et cetera, et cetera.

(01:33:06):
It's just there should be subtlety, Pete.

Speaker 7 (01:33:10):
No one uses a schedule method. Now with the new
reg you can't. You have to go to a calculation.
So all the designers, like we used to do our
schedule method right now the new recks, we all pretty
much sub it out to another industry, namely the insulation
companies who are now doing reports for us that we
have to provide to the council, and they're all using
calculation because they can't do it with the schedule. And

(01:33:30):
if you think that you can make it all happen
by making your windows small, well you better have very
You better expect very, very small windows in your house.
People don't live that way. We like our glazing, and
that's even in the most modest homes. They like their glazing.
You like to look out, you like to have that
indoor outdoor flow. So you still have to meet the
latest requirements pete. And that's still double the insallation. Most

(01:33:53):
people don't realize, but you've almost got half a meter
of pink bats now thrown into your ceiling if with
the with the new rex, it's absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (01:34:03):
It's not half for me, that's not half for meat.
Well look it's not, so let's not be alarmist.

Speaker 7 (01:34:09):
But four hundred milk three to four hundred mil But
if you had.

Speaker 5 (01:34:14):
If you needed six point six, but you might find
using a calculation method that in fact you need four four.

Speaker 7 (01:34:21):
Yeah. Yeah, but I'm just saying people are all But
you also have to now bring in a blend of
different installations and different densities at the eaves, like they're
going to put between the batons and you have overlays
over that it does get quite expensive and quite onerous.
I thought, I'm just saying to the Auckland region down south,
I think it's probably perfectly fine, acceptable, But I think

(01:34:41):
they used a broad brush approach. They could have left
Auckland and North alone. We just we just didn't need it.
To have this extra stuff. We just did. It was
not necessary, and on that point I may well agree
with you.

Speaker 5 (01:34:52):
The good thing is we're aiming to get the Minister
of Building Instruction onto the show at some stage in
the next little while, so Honorable Chris Pink will be
joining us at some stage in the next couple of weeks.
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