The Resident Builder podcast: October 6, 2024

This week on the show, ZB's Resident Builder Pete Wolfkamp discusses the latest issues impacting the world of construction - and answers questions!

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Resident Built Up podcast with Peter
Wolfcamp from US Talks at b.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Well.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
I woke up Sunday morning with no weight to hold.
My hands didn't hurt, and the beer I had for
breakfast wasn't bad, so I had one more for dessert.

(00:43):
Then I fumbled through my closet for my clothes and
found my cleanest dirty shirt, and I shaved my face
and combed my hair and stumbled down the stairs to
meet the day. I'd smoked my brain the night before,

(01:10):
long cigarettes and songs that i'd been picking. But I
lit my first and watched a small kid cussing that
a can that he was kicking. Then I crossed the

(01:33):
empty street caught the Sunday smount of someone frying chicken,
and it took me back to something that I'd lost somehow,
somewhere along the way on the Sunday morningside of.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Wishing Lock, I was stolen.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
But there's something near a Sunday makes a buddy feeler,
And there's nothing shortie have this ansome as the sound.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
On the sleeping sit side.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Sunday moll coming down.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Well, A very good morning, and welcome along to the
Resident Builder on a Sunday slightly different song. This morning,
I thought we should mark the passing of Chris Christofferson,
who passed away I think about age eighty eight during
the week, and at one stage I did entertain the
thought of using that as an introduction song that was
all about Sunday mornings. But I listened a little bit
more closely to the lyrics, not maybe not radio good morning, Welcome, Welcome.

(03:07):
My name's Pete wolf Camp, still with a slightly husky voice.
My apologies for that. It's one of those weeks we
sort of you know, got a battle on a little
bit with feeling a bit off color. But anyway, we're
back into it and enjoying the enjoying being with you
this morning, so looking forward to talking all things building

(03:28):
and construction. We are aware that there has been a
reasonably sizable and certainly widely felt earthquake in Wellington this
morning just after five or just at five eight. Geannette
reports it now as a five point seven shake about
twenty five kilometers to the west of Wellington, CBD, at

(03:50):
a depth of around thirty kilometers, but certainly plenty of
people in the region were awokened. The reporter that we
listened to in our bulletin there at six o'clock was
talking about the building that they were in, the flat
that they were moving around reasonably significantly. Certainly, if there's
any update on that, or if there is any report
of damage, or are there are any notices about, you know,

(04:12):
buildings that might be closed that sort of thing, we
will bring that to you and we'll try and get
in touch with someone in Wellington as well. And if
you've got a question of a building nature, well the
lines are open to you. We're going to talk all
things building this morning. We have a couple of guests
joining us as well. One thing that I wanted to
focus on specifically today talking with some of our experts

(04:34):
from Metro Performance Glass was around safety and I don't
know if you've ever had that experience, either of I'll
tell you a story about why we've got safety glass
now and why it wasn't around the nineteen eighties when
I was at school, and what happened as a result
of that, but also increasingly as part of final inspections

(04:55):
for buildings, you know, certain types of glazing has to
specifically be safety glass. So what is it? Why do
we have it? What are the general rules around it.
We'll be talking about safety, glass and then the other thing.
And I feel I'm in a kind of privilege, lucky.
I don't know. I'm in a position where I spent
a bit of time catching up with people who are

(05:17):
doing new and exciting things. If not in the construction sector,
then in sort of the waste area as it happens.
But it construction contributes an enormous amount to the waste stream,
so the too often overlap. And I was at the
miter Ten Expo and for their exit or for their suppliers,

(05:37):
and also that I went along to the gala a
couple of months ago, which was delightful, and as well
as tootling around the exhibition center, there was a gentleman
there in a fetching kind of slightly pink maybe a
Semoni colored suit that seemed to be cut out of
a fabric that I'd never seen before. Turns out that,
in fact, the fabric such that it was was completely
out of recycled fabric. So if you take textiles in

(06:00):
for recycling, this is the company that will do it,
or one of the companies that will do it. So
Tim from Retex is going to join me just after
eight o'clock to talk about this, because it's all about
waste minimization, right about diverting material from landfill. We all
know in the sort of waste minimization field that it's
reused then recycle. But we've also got to be practical

(06:22):
and say not everything can be We can't. In some cases,
it's hard to reduce materials that we use in business,
whether that's construction or any other part of business. Sometimes
it's not possible to reuse those items. So if you've
got you know, in this case, I was talking to them,
and they take, for example, old overalls from construction sites,

(06:44):
old hybrid vests and those sorts of things, and then
they will repurpose it into various products. And that's a
way of ensuring that it doesn't simply go into waste.
It doesn't go straight to landfill. It can be given
another life by being recycled. Anyway, I found it fascinating
and given that I kind of spent a bit of

(07:05):
time in that space, I'm a board member of a
trust that administers a recycling center or a resource recovery center.
It is a very very important issue for us all
to deal with to be just an aside for this
and we've got some calls lined up and I'm looking
forward to chatting with you. I was staggered that there
wasn't more conversation around recycling and the closure of the

(07:27):
paper recycling plant in Auckland that slated to happen before Christmas.
There's many hundreds of jobs that are going to disappear
from that factory. It is also the plant that processes,
as I understand it, all of the paper recycling for Auckland.
So given that you know, we've all hopefully in Auckland
anyway got into the habit of putting our cardboard in

(07:49):
our newspapers and now envelopes and anything over a four
into our recycling bins, where's that material going to go?

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Now?

Speaker 4 (07:58):
I'm just staggered that it didn't get more reporting, to
be blunt, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. So
if you've got a building project, if you've got something
that underway, you're thinking about getting it underway, you're looking ahead.
It's been a tough old weather week obviously in Dunedin.
We've had fair share of wet weather here in Auckland
again as well. Certainly duned, and my sympathies to those

(08:20):
people who are impacted by that, either by a couple
of reasonably significant landslides there or by the flooding. Good
response to the flooding, you'd have to say, in terms
of council response, government response, the Minister going straight there
before the event actually happened, knowing that it was going
to be reasonably severe, and there seems that though it

(08:43):
has resulted in a number of houses being red stickered
at this stage, which means that people are not able
to go back into their houses after a weather event
like that. So you certainly have my sympathy if you've
been caught in that. Right, Let's talk all things building construction.
If you've got a call, if you've got a question
and you would like to call, the number is eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you'd like to text,

(09:04):
and you're more than welcome to do that, it is
nine to nine two from your mobile phone or ZEDBZB
and by all means flip me an email if you wish.
It's peaked at newstalksb dot co dot NZ. I mentioned
on the program last week too that I'd had a
particularly busy week the week before and that I hadn't

(09:25):
got around to sending out some plans for olboxes. This
has become a bit of a thing on the show.
You might have noticed. I got asked in the supermarket
yesterday how I'm going with the l boxes. So I
did reply to a whole bunch of emails, actually only
yesterday to be fair, and sent out a heap of
plans to people that want albox details. So thank you

(09:47):
for your patience and good luck making them. Please let
me know if OL's happen to move in to their
new house that you've made for them. Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. And if
you want to give us a call and give us
a bit of an update from Wellington, you're more than
welcome to do that as well. It is sixteen minutes
after six paul A, very good wanting to you you,

(10:07):
good morning to you for people.

Speaker 5 (10:09):
And let's let's pray that there's nothing no damage down
to Warrington.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
Certainly no reports at the stage.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
Yeah, that's great. I've got we've got a rental property
and we we've got recommended a tiler to come and
do some tiling tile of bathroom that flows into the
kitchen right, and the tilt was a nightmare. He used

(10:36):
the brand new kitchen sink as is mixing for mixing
his grouse and whatnot, and instead of grouting the grout gaps,
he ended up placing ground all over the tiles. So
the tiles have been grouted as well as the ground

(10:59):
and it's pretty dusty, awful, and to be honest, a
paper guy don't want to see him back again. You know,
just a nightmare. Can you imagine? I've got a click
try and turn the sink back into a brand new
kitchen sink which we've set set up. You know, we've

(11:19):
we've done the line share of it. Now we've get
some metal cleaner to clean the rest of it. But
what a nightmare of a of an individual?

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Can I just ask? Because you know, I mean, I
have these conversations with people a fair amount right where
where they contract a trades person who turns out to
be basically useless. Yeah, so you know, like, why did
you choose that person? And did you get any sense

(11:51):
that maybe they weren't up to the job before they started.

Speaker 5 (11:56):
I've got no sense whatsoever that he wasn't up to
the job. He was an experienced tyler that knew what
he was doing.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
But how did you get in touch with him?

Speaker 5 (12:04):
I'm just curious through a friend recommended by a friend,
and they who've been to see the job yesterday and
was absolutely mortified. The sink had about two or three centimeters. Yeah,
we're talking a.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
Nightmare, you know, right, Yeah, okay, and.

Speaker 5 (12:27):
You can imagine why I just don't even want to
go back on the site. And to be honest, the
tiling job was so poorly done. I'm glad it's just
a rental property. If it was my home and auto
you rip the whole lot up and start again.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
Right, Okay, so we're too from here.

Speaker 5 (12:46):
What I'm my question for you? How do I clean
those tiles?

Speaker 4 (12:52):
Right?

Speaker 5 (12:54):
Scenic product or do I use tubs or no?

Speaker 4 (12:57):
No, no, stay away from turps. Look, I would gosh, if
there happens to be like a bag of the grouse
or something like that left, or if you happen to
see what there is, I would take that down to
a tile shop, go tile Space for example, and just say, look,
this is my situation. What's the recommended tile cleaner for this?

(13:19):
And they will have very very specific products for that
and use only products recommended by someone like tile space,
you know, a quality tile store, and then go back
and start doing the cleanup from there. You know, yeah, yeah,
pretty much, pretty much. And the other thing I guess

(13:40):
to be conscious of is that you want to make
sure that they haven't grouted let's say, you know, ninety
degree corners where there should be flexible selant. If they
have done that, ideally you'd get someone either do it
yourself or get someone to go through rake that out
and make sure that the sealant goes in. There is
any of the tiling in critical spaces like a wet

(14:03):
area inside a shower enclosure.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
No, it's not, it's box, okay, all right?

Speaker 4 (14:12):
And the tiling did they do the floor or just
the walls?

Speaker 5 (14:16):
Just the floor fortunately, okay?

Speaker 4 (14:18):
And is the floor onto a concrete slab or is
it on a it's onto a concrete slab, okay, all right.
So you know, realistically speaking, I'm just thinking about potential
water damage water ingress in the future, given that it's
it's not in a shower, it's really just on a
splash stone and it's on aunt concrete slab. If they
haven't done a great job, the risk of further damage

(14:40):
is minimal.

Speaker 5 (14:43):
Yeah, it's just cleaner.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
Yeah, that's the nightmare. So yeah, so go to you.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
Go to the tiles space. They've they've got.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
Specified some type that I can apply.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
And to be fair, you know, if you, if you,
you'll find that people there this is not the first
time they've heard of something like this, so they will
know exactly the right product to use.

Speaker 5 (15:03):
I've got photogram yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
Right, Ah, and your mate must feel terrible.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
He feels like he should rip it up and pay
for it the replacement himself. He just feels awful. Yeah,
and he's a good mate too.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know. And look, I've
been completely honest with you. You know, like every obviously I
know a bunch of tradees and people will ring and
they'll go, hey, can you recommend such and such? And
I was going to say nine times, maybe eight times
out of ten the recommendation goes, well, but every now
and then, and we all have bad days, right.

Speaker 5 (15:46):
And what I reckon I might have been on something,
because you don't you don't grout the tile, you grout
the whole, you grab the game.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
I think what it probably was is they were rushing
to do the job. They threw the grout and you know,
pushed it into the gaps. Didn't bother cleaning the tiles,
because cleaning the toiles is quite a process, right, you
need two buckets of water, you need sponge, and you
know you spend time cleaning the excess off, washing the sponge,
cleaning it down. Absolutely, you know it's it's quite the process.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
But man, give a process. After the fact, the grouts
now said the grouted said, yeah, look.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
Good luck with the clean up. Hopefully it goes all
right for you all the very you take care. Then
it is just its mate. I've got an enormous I've
got an enormous amount of sympathy for Paul because he's
now faced with having to clean the job, but also
for the mate that recommends someone and then they do
such a rubbish job. And it's very very rare, and

(16:49):
I'm talking over a very long period of time, but
every now and then I'll recommend someone and they'll over
the not recently and not for a while, and not
very frequently, but every now and then someone will just
have an off day. Someone will come back and go, okay,
you recommend it this guy for whatever task but gee,

(17:10):
I wasn't actually that happy with the job here. I've
kind of almost stopped. Ah, No, I haven't. There are
guys that I recommend to never let anyone down, but
every now and then we all have a bad day,
and that's the nature of actually building something, you know.
The only people that don't make mistakes are those people
who make nothing. Is always my motto. I wait, hundred

(17:32):
and done, plenty of mistakes myself. I eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. We'll come back
and talk to Mary straight after the break right he Oh,
just wrapping up to some of the comments with regard
to Paul and the issue of having He's got a
couple of issues there. One is that Tyler did a
poor job and has left a lot of the grout
on the surface of the tile, so that needs to

(17:52):
be cleaned off. Also, Tyler seemed to use the sink
as somewhere to either mix up or clean up grout,
which has left a lot of residue inside the sink
and a texture has come through and said, hey, look,
it's also highly likely that the sink or the drainage
is going to be blocked or close to being so

(18:15):
thank you. That's a very very good point that you make.
So I suspect that, and you know, I'm just thinking
about drain un blockers, right, which work on organic material
that's not going to work on grout. So I would
probably say to Paul, if you can, I would undo
the p trap that's underneath the sink and just have

(18:36):
a look at that and make sure that's not going
to cause you issues in a couple of months as well.
So Crik, it just goes on and on, I mean,
and also it's such bad practice. And this is an
issue you know when we're cleaning up on site, particularly
with regard to paint, but certainly with regard to other materials,
including sementitious materials like grouts, is that you should never

(18:59):
never direct those down, certainly not storm water. The impact
on stormwater is devastating. You know that even very small
amounts of semontitious material going into storm water can cause
significant damage to particularly you know, if stormwater is going
into local streams, the impact there is enormous, Like please

(19:23):
don't underestimate it. And it explains why counsels in particular
are so hot on chasing up contractors. You know that
wash off cement and that sort of thing into stormwater,
and the fines are fairly significant, and they'll come along
and test catch pits and areas and that sort of thing,
and to be fair, it drives me nuts. I've seen
it a couple of times and gone up to people

(19:44):
and just kind of look, I'm really sorry, but this
is completely unacceptable, you know, washing down. It's very rare
that you see it from like large professional companies, but
individual contractors from time to time. And it's a challenge. Right,
you've finished doing concrete, You've got the left remnants, let's say,
in your wheelbarrow. You've cleaned all your trowels and bits
and pieces, and then you've got this highly alkaline material

(20:08):
in sludgy water inside your wheelbarrow. Where do you tip it? Well,
you certainly don't tip it into the curb or onto
the drive and rinse it down into the drains and
the same. I mean, I'm just thinking about Paul, with
this contractor working in his house using the sink to
clean it up, and that has terrible consequences. So you
just have to find an area where you can tip

(20:30):
it either onto the ground or into in an area
that you've prepared where it's not going to inadvertently end
up in either wastewater or storm water. Really really important.
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that
number to call Mary? A very good morning to you.

Speaker 6 (20:46):
Hi, good morning, Pete. I've got a question. I was
thinking of doing wall insulation, but I was looking at
removing getting the passport and moved and paper and ye
insulation put in the wall. I wanted to know, PLN
you sort of do you have to do every wall

(21:07):
in the house or can you do in sections and
get consent for sections, Because in the bathroom it means
you've got to rip the shower keebicle out and you've
got to take you you've got to take the toilet out, yes,
and then reinstall it all all for a little area

(21:27):
of or it's about just over about a meter by
meter that's actually visible.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (21:37):
Do I just wonder if there's anywhere getting consents like
you know, to do a bedroom, lounge and things like that,
the same as in the kitchen you've got to take
all the kitchen cabinets, yes, and then reinstall the kitchen.
I just wondered if there's a way of doing it
that way.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
Do you intend to do the work sort of you know, consistently,
like over a period of one or two years, or
do you think I'm going to do something. I may
not do anything for a couple more years and then
I'll do another piece.

Speaker 6 (22:06):
I was thinking of. Perhaps you like the bathroom is
not doing it at all?

Speaker 5 (22:11):
Right, okay, this the bathroom doesn't need.

Speaker 6 (22:17):
But I just wondered if there's a way.

Speaker 5 (22:19):
Of doing it.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
Yeah, I mean you can.

Speaker 6 (22:21):
Get a part like a park consent, or whether you
have it has to be all or nothing.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
I mean, look what you're saying, while it seems like
a really simple question, is in fact like, well, not
a nightmare. It just gets quite complicated quite quickly. First up,
good on you for for appreciating the fact that, in
fact this type of work does require a building consent. Right,

(22:48):
so you know, removing lining, adding insulation to existing exterior walls,
and replacing the lining is still work that requires a
building consent. Now, as an aside to that, I have
argued for a number of years that that work should
be potentially exempt from having a building consent. It should

(23:08):
be the sort of work that could be done under
Schedule one of the Act, which is work that sets
out or a legislation that sets out what type of
work could be done without necessarily requiring a building consent,
and that it's the sort of work that, you know,
if supervised by an LBP or by an architectural designer,
an architect or an engineer, can be done to the

(23:30):
code without necessarily requiring a building consent, given how much
how important it is and how much of this work
needs to happen, I suppose, but that's not the rules
right now. So the rules are that you need to
get a consent. Then it becomes an issue of you know,
can you have or can you work with your counsel

(23:51):
in a collaborative sense, where a council surely would look
at this and go, look, it's fairly low risk. We're
not going to demand a full set of plans. We're
simply going to get, you know, a couple of page
document that says this is what I intend to do.
I'm going to remove the line, I'm going to add
this type of insulation. If it's got what's it got
on the outside is clanning, whether boards or brick.

Speaker 6 (24:13):
It's Britain stucco.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
Brick and stucco okay. So you know, if it's got
building paper around the outside of the timber frames, then
it's relatively straightforward.

Speaker 7 (24:26):
Right.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
You add insulation, you replace the lining, and the low
risk approach is to say, I'm going to fix all
of my interior lining off as a brace as a
GS one black brace, right, and chances are it's got
as much bracing as it used to have. So you've
addressed issues around Worcester ingress and around the stability of
the building and you should be able to do that
with very little intervention from the council, but technically it

(24:49):
does require. The other option is that you go or
you get someone to make a submission on your behalf
and go for an exemption from a building consent. Right,
So you're informing council that you're going to do some work,
but given that it's relatively low risk, it's in an
existing building, et cetera, et cetera. Ccait, you can get
an exemption. Then you've got something on paper to say

(25:10):
I've asked for approval but in this instance I don't
need it here and here's evidence that I comply with
the building code. Right, Or you're going to end up
having to submit for a building consent and again, hopefully
you know council is realistic and practical and go we
don't need massive amounts of specification, We don't need a

(25:30):
whole lot of information. We just need a brief description
of what it is that you're doing and go from there. So, yeah,
I think that's the process. And then the reason I asked,
do you intend to sort of sequence the work, let's say,
doing something every twelve months, is potentially you could get
a building consent for everything that you intend and then
just keep informing counsel that you'd like to extend the

(25:51):
building consent given the nature of it, rather than having
to get several building consents.

Speaker 6 (25:56):
Yeah, because I was quite surprised, I did get somebody
to come and do a quote for me and to
get like blown into those should put in your consents
sort of something like around three hundred dollars to get
a different consent.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
It's yeah, it could be two grande.

Speaker 8 (26:19):
Tiny little place is what.

Speaker 6 (26:21):
It's got three external walls and it's less than sixty
square meters.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
The whole thing look like I can picture it.

Speaker 6 (26:30):
Nearly too grand to start within. Everything else on top
is going to just make it to do and looks.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
I mean, yours is a fantastic example of something that
I've been advocating for for a long time that it
given the pretty desperate need we have to finish insulating
houses that are uninsulated. You know that that putting the
barrier of a building consent there. I have no problem

(26:59):
with building consents, right, They're essential in terms of ensuring safety.
But in something like this that is so low risk, right,
I mean, your building has stood up for as long
as it's stood up, it's probably got little to know
bracing from the plaster board anyway. So if you were
to remove that lining, install insulation, which is a tremendous
benefit for the building, and then redo the plaster board

(27:21):
with modern plaster board, fix it off as a GS
one brace, which is the most basic type of bracing,
you will probably end up with. You know, it's a
much better building. You've you've helped the environment, You've you've
helped our road to carbon zero, all of these sorts
of things, and it shouldn't be a burden on you
to do that work. And having to get a consent

(27:44):
I think in this instance is such a burden on people.
But that doesn't change the reality of it, which is that.

Speaker 6 (27:51):
It doesn't or do you hang out?

Speaker 4 (27:55):
Yeah, I mean I was going to say, you know,
the other option is that you do look at some
of the blow and you know injected systems, which because
they're a proprietary system, they've they've got a methodology for
achieving a building consent, right, and so if it's been
brands appraised or if it's got code mark that sort
of thing, they can submit it to counsel. It's kind

(28:15):
of like a pro former type of building consent where
counsel looks at it goes, oh, yeah, we know what
we're doing, what they're doing, we understand the system, They
take care of the whole thing. They issue a statement
at the end, we'll give you a building consent. And
I've done that on one particular job. But I suppose
it's maybe worth looking at for you because it's going

(28:36):
to be more straightforward than having to go for your
own building consent and so on. But you know, there
might be other advantages in terms of for you, removing
the lining, upgrading that upgrading switches and that sort of thing,
and adding insulation and being able to see exactly where
the insulation goes. I think you've got a great handle

(28:56):
on it. I don't know that I can offer you
anything more than that, other than to say I will
continue to advocate to anyone in authority that's cares to
listen that we should ed this type of work to
to shoot you one of the building it okay, nice.

Speaker 6 (29:14):
I'm sorry for your poor chap his tiling. I had
a problem. I had a problem and the house previous
the one I had where Chap said that he was
accredited installer of the waterproofing, and I asked for the
consent and he said, oh, you get it from the manufacturers.

(29:35):
And I got in touch with the manufacturers and noted
and he was remanded by a tile shop.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
Oh that's not good.

Speaker 6 (29:46):
I was new to New Zealand, I didn't know anybody,
and they recommended him. When I want to tell I
had to write a letter yes, saying as far as
I knew, it was all done to done how it
should be, and put that with the details when I
sold the place, and hope that it was all right.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (30:05):
No, I understand with the plumber as well.

Speaker 6 (30:09):
I couldn't get the consent off of him, so to
write a letter, so I thought he had. Yeah, he's
done most of the sinks and stuff. Yeah, properly, but
one think the cotton cold were.

Speaker 5 (30:23):
On opposite side, right, Yeah, and he.

Speaker 6 (30:27):
Dropped a tape measure down the toilet when he took
it out instead of blocking it off, it finds out
halfway under the slab. Yeah, so it wasn't best please
knowing any not knowing any trades in music, Yeah, it's hard,
went by people's recommendations and doesn't always get you anyway.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
Hey, looked lovely to check with your mirror. All the
very best you take care, take care bothering. It is
six forty here at New Stalks. He'd be we are
beck with Ellen in just a moment. You and he'd
be people resident build up with you this morning. Taking
your calls quick text as well. Hey mate, we are
looking to build deck out from our patio which will
be overhanging our front lawn and probably three meters off

(31:11):
the ground. It's a split level property. Do we approach
a builder or an engineer or an architect? Just not
sure where to start as it's not a simple job.
Many thanks from Steve. You're absolutely right, Steve, it is
not a simple job, so you probably going to end
up engaging with all three because at three meters off
the ground, it definitely definitely requires a building consent. In

(31:35):
order to get a building consent, it will need a
set of plans, which might be drawn by an architect
or an architectural designer or a design LBP. Given the
complexity of it, they will probably want to consult with
an engineer and then ultimately you're going to need a
builder to build it. So in this case it's the
trifector buddy. You get all of them, but you definitely

(31:56):
need a building consent for that type of work. Alan
a very good morning.

Speaker 9 (32:02):
Well hello. I mean I've originally moved to a place
that was built in the Landing forties in western Wellington.
I was going to ask about windows, but there's been
a very considerable earthquake here and I'm concerned that there's
a massive chimney. There's a wood burner. The chimney seems
to be about eight times bigger than what my parents
had to their house, right they had to open fire.

(32:24):
And the biggest earthquake hazard in this whole place is
this huge chimney. It looks like it's like five or
six feet high and three feet wide. Now, I was wondering,
I don't know why it's such a massive structure. Is
it feasible to reduce it to a smaller structure or
use pumice or some lightweight material.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Obviously you want to keep a wood burner.

Speaker 9 (32:45):
Well, well, at the moments, well I'm not expecting to
stay here all that long, so so mainly just yeah,
I'll keep it for the meantime here.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
Right, Look, I think you know christ Church and any
number of earthquakes have taught us that there is significant
hazards or hazard or risk associated with having chimneys, right
that when the ground starts to move and that starts
to oscillate, they tend to fall over, and when they
do fall over, they end up crashing through the roofs

(33:15):
and into the rooms below and around them. Right, So, look,
would it be a sensible precaution to remove it? Yes,
it probably would. Could you then upgrade the firebox and
put in something that has less emissions and perhaps has
a steel flu which has less risk if you could

(33:36):
do you have to know, there's no requirement to do it.
But if it's something and I can hear it in
your voice, it's a genuine concern. I would probably look
at that. I don't know that there's any great benefit
from a practical point of view of trying to reduce
the scale of it or anything like that. I've seen
a number of houses where they've taken if the chimney's
not in use, they'll take it down to below the roofline,

(34:01):
you know, so that it prevents that part. Often sometimes
they shear off at that junction and then tumble through
the roof. So that's one approach to take. I have
to go and check again. I wonder whether they're removed
in some cases, Removing a chimney may require a building
consent in some cases or almost in all cases. When

(34:24):
these houses were built, the chimney was built quite early on,
and then sometimes part of the roof framing is actually
attached to the chimney. And certainly I've seen floor joists
attached to chimneys that are built from the ground up,
through the floor up, through the building, through the ceiling
and so on.

Speaker 9 (34:42):
Okay, it was certainly it's like a sort of democles
in this place. I mean, there's this huge structure. It's
just like it's just waiting to fall. If there's a
strong that birthquake. The other thing I was wondering about
is being an old place, it's got sass windows and
it's got French doors opening to a deck. Yes, so
the problem with them is there's no openable windows in

(35:05):
the rounge wh the French doors are. Is it practical
to turn one of those panels, the sixteen panels of
grass into a small openable window.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
Well, it requires remaking of the sash. So for example,
if there's a fixed sash there, you could potentially take
that sash out and replace it with some opening ones.
It's not a little bit of work, but yeah, it
is doable.

Speaker 9 (35:34):
What we without the opication was about actual sash windows.
I was wondering, is it feasible to Of course, it's
just a narrow, rectangular open a window at the top
part of the that window, the bit that doesn't go
up and down. Regarding these large sash windows and other rooms.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
Oh so you've got double hung sashes and you're thinking
about changing that to a different type of window.

Speaker 9 (35:59):
Yeah, Well, the problem is every window in this place
is like a door. The zero security. You can't sort
of lead a small window opens as ventilation, right, And
I wonder if if you look at a slash window,
there's a huge, big sort of square of glass that
doesn't move up and down at the top. I was
wondering if he segregated off the top narrow rectangle of

(36:21):
that glass and made that into an openable section, leaving
the sash operation thing in place, would that be feasible
a small event.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
If it is actually a genuine double hung sash window.
I mean, I love them to bits because they do
exactly that if you get them working again.

Speaker 9 (36:40):
Top one doesn't move up down.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Yeah, But if it is a double hung sash window
and it was made as a double hung sash window,
theoretically you should be able to loosen that up and
get it working again, in which case you can do
exactly what you want is lower the top sash down
maybe sixty or seventy five.

Speaker 9 (36:58):
Sorry, the top one doesn't move.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
Okay, Yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 9 (37:02):
Only the low one, yeah, the top one. I just
wanted to create a smaller opening when dough because the
sash window, if you're in another room, someone can just
walk straight through it, you know.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
Yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 9 (37:13):
There's no security with it.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
Yeah, I mean, look, everything is possible. Sorry, we're getting
some really bad refurb so I'll just put you hold
for a second. Ele the look everything is possible, but
you know, you might find that the process is actually
quite intricate and quite expensive. So yes, you could remove

(37:38):
a fixed sash, install an opening sash, put in essentially
like a fan light into that top space. But it's
just not a simple solution. Unfortunately doable, but a little
bit complex, and I think once you delve into it,
you might find that it's just not worth the effort.
Security stays on regular sash windows might be a more

(38:00):
straightforward solution. Good luck with that, all the best and
hope everything's all right for you and Wellington O eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty the number of call
D A very good morning to you. Hello D. Hello.

Speaker 10 (38:14):
I live in christ Church and I'm having a water
problem right. I have a small art gallery in my
garden and I have a lot of neighbors. I am
actually now our house in the middle of a lot
of new buildings. Yes, everybody who's bought one of these

(38:39):
new buildings thinks the rules are quite different, so they're
all making up what do we do next? And the
problem for me is that with the help of an
age concerned builder.

Speaker 5 (38:55):
I have.

Speaker 10 (38:57):
Got the inside of my little gallery fixed so that
the water doesn't come through. But the water does come
through because the outside has been compromised. It's very, very wet,
and I think the water is coming through from next door.
But that's an issue we've got to chase up through

(39:21):
the another avenue. I noticed that somebody else who's building
next door is putting up some very thin and it
looks like permanent material on the outside of their house.
And I wonder if that sort of stuff, if you

(39:42):
could tell me what it's possibly is, would be good
on the outside of my gallery to solve the water
coming through.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
So your gallery, is it a freestanding structure in your backyard?

Speaker 10 (39:57):
Yes, it is. It's a tiny little it's about the
side of the side of a garage, and the inside
is all right at the moment, okay, outside.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
I'll tell you what. I've let myself go too long
without taking a break, which is my problem, not yours.
But can you just wait on the line and then
we'll come back to you in just a moment, your
new sorts. It'd be if you've got a question of
a building nature. Oh eight hundred eighty is that number
to call. Just before the break, we were talking with
D who had an issue with a little studio in
your back garden. D can you just run me through?

(40:32):
So the building's completely self contained, like it's it's its
own little structure. When you say you're getting water in
it is the water coming up through the ground or
is it coming in through the sides of the building.

Speaker 10 (40:44):
I think it's coming in through the sides of the building.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (40:47):
The building made of breeze blocks.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
Yes, okay, yep? Are they painted on the outside? Are
the breeze blocks painted on the outside?

Speaker 10 (41:03):
Not so sure because it's sort of coming off. It's
of the met right, have looked on the outside and
actually see holes where where the cracks between the blocks are, So.

Speaker 7 (41:21):
Yes, look right, I should put over that.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
Yeah, And I mean I don't know that you necessarily,
you know, if it's as obvious as what you're describing,
then I think having someone come through either with a
flexible ceilant or with some adhesive grout or something like that,
filling those gaps and then cleaning the outside and putting
a decent coat of paint on the outside. For the
type of building that it is, is probably going to

(41:49):
be enough, right, if it's reasonably elevated, it's not soaking
up moisture from the ground. If it's got a you know,
serviceable roof on it, then I think the issues are
probably around moisture. It's simply saturating the block, which it
will do if it's completely unsealed or partly unsealed. So
I think, you know, repairing any of those gaps and
cracks and then giving a coat of paint, that's probably

(42:12):
your solution, right, it doesn't let's not try and make
a really complicated solution where there doesn't need to be
able to do.

Speaker 10 (42:22):
It myself, at arrange it to be done myself. Yeah,
So have you any suggestions to what.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
Who you would need to get? I mean you could potentially,
well a reasonably competent painter should be able to assess
it and then go, okay, look this is what we
can use. Depending on the size of the gaps that
might be there, we can go through and do that
and then you know, strip off any or sand back

(42:56):
or prepare any loose material on the outside, give it
a coat of sealant that it needs, a key coat
onto the breeze block, and then like I'd go two
coats of X two hundred, which is a water proof
or water resistant paint and designed for exterior masonry, and
that should give you it. So I think if you

(43:18):
can find a reasonably competent painter, I think that'd be
the way to go deep.

Speaker 10 (43:23):
That's a good idea.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
All right, all the very best to you. I hope
it all works out. Okay, Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Hey Glenn, good morning
to you.

Speaker 8 (43:34):
You get how are you going today?

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Yeah? Good, thanks buddy.

Speaker 8 (43:38):
So we want to look, we've just put a swimming
pool in and we want to like a like I
don't know if it's a poolhouse or just like an
area you can chill out. It may like three side
three sides and are opening in the front soet you know,
you can get away from the sun. Do we need
a building consent for that or no?

Speaker 4 (44:01):
It's possible that you may not need one. So what
I'm thinking is obviously it's going to be you know,
somewhere between ten fifteen square meters in size.

Speaker 8 (44:10):
So if we like two panels wide, you know, like
two fence pannels wide. So we're going to take two
out and put it so you can walk into the
inside of the pool, yep, into that little area.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
Yes, I think that where it would probably trigger a
requirement technically for a building consent would be its proximity
to the boundary. So if it is more than if
it's more than its height away from the boundary, then
typically you don't need a building consent for that, right yep.

(44:43):
So as long as you can you can do that,
just make sure it's far enough away, then no, I
don't think it'll need a building consent. And also if
it's going to be effectively it's a purglar right right
with some closed in sides. It's not like it's a
completely encompassed building.

Speaker 8 (45:00):
No, because even if we took the panels out and
relocated them to the back, it's still been closed in
that rules around the swimming pool.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
Yeah, so no, I don't think so. And as long
as I suppose, the other thing that you've got to
be conscious of is you don't want it to inadvertently
mean that your pool's not compliant in terms of the
Pool Fencing Act, so that it's not close to the
fence and climbable or something like that. So there's a
couple of other considerations there.

Speaker 8 (45:31):
Oh yeah, okay, that's cool. And that guy was to
do the tiling if he's got a stainless saying, your
best way is probably to look at like your auto
soul and to bring your think out that clishing stuff,
because it's quite good.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
I think I've seen that around.

Speaker 8 (45:53):
Yeah, yeah, sold them like like rip coos and stuff.
And yeah, we had the same problem with him to
do with a roof when because we relocated a house
and after a house fire.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
Yes, and it was done with and we it in.

Speaker 8 (46:06):
A whole year of a whole lot of help from
the day that it burnt down to the day we
got back and was in a year. And but we're
that with a roof that we paid up a lot
of money and the money went and the roofs never
went on.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
Yeah, yeah, we'll keep out there there unfortunately. Yep.

Speaker 8 (46:28):
Yeah, so I know what he's going through. But yeah,
town devil, look at that all those so can there
from rep and stuff.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
Brilliant. Appreciate it, Glenn. All the very best to you.
Take care alright, all the best. Eight hundred and eighty
ten eight. We're gonna take a break. Then we're going
to talk to Jim. If you've got a question, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Also
in at around seven thirty this morning, Darren from Metro
Performance Glass. We're going to talk safety glass, why it's important,
what it is, how to identify it, like you know,

(46:56):
if you're unsure as to whether or not you might
need it or it would be good to have. How
do you identify safety glass from other glass for example.
So we'll be talking about that with Darren from Metro
Performance Class around seven thirty this morning. You're you're the
new Stalks b Pete wolf Camp resident build up with
you this morning if you've got a question, Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 7 (47:19):
Get a Jim good I paid just a quick one
for you. I've got a hardy plank with a crack
and it's the bottom plank. The crackers top to bottom,
about a meter in from the corner. It doesn't seem
to open or close. It's been there for a year,

(47:41):
but it's been a puddle to me for all this time.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
I mean, look, sometimes they crack, and it might have
cracked because of the way it was installed. All those
years ago and it just happens to have moved now.
So in typically a small crack like that, you know,
it might get a little bit of water in there,
but chances are not that much to cause any issues
if you're concerned about it standably you are. You know,

(48:09):
there's there's not a lot that you can use to
actually adhere or bond to it. But if you wanted to,
I would. I would sort of send and prep the area,
clean it up, and if you wanted to do do
a bead of flexible adhesive sealant. So some seilants have it. Yeah,
they have an adhesive element to them as well, so

(48:30):
something like fix all right, so yeah, hold fast, fix
all that'll work really well. I'd put a bead of
that into it. You know, if you really wanted to,
you could sort of make the crack slightly bigger if
you want to, with a sharp knife, and they then
put a bead of sealant into there and then paint

(48:50):
over it. The other approach, and I've done this on
a few houses. Was where they had extensive crack, well
extensive you know, like twenty or thirty around the entire building.
Is I actually just had flashings made up, and I
simply if it's a it's a flat faced weatherboard. I
simply we had a flashing made up like a soaker,
and I just put so over the top of them.

Speaker 7 (49:12):
When you make up a fleshing like that, do you
have a return at the bottom edge of it?

Speaker 4 (49:17):
And so just tucks it. No, I didn't. It didn't
loop around. So it's just like an L shaped right.
So it was just a way of putting something over
the face of the weather board to diflict. Deflict the
water away from that area and it and you know,
it just tucks up underneath the other weather board. Doesn't
have to be a it doesn't have to have an
L a J like, it doesn't have to have a

(49:39):
hook at the bottom. It tucks up, just came down
and then returned back. And that was a kind of
sensible way of dealing with those. It allowed movement, but
it just stopped water entering into that gap.

Speaker 7 (49:56):
It's good.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Yes, a couple of options there, yepkay, right, but don't
all the best take care okay. By by oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call
if you've got a building question.

Speaker 11 (50:09):
Keith, good morning, Yeah, Hi, pete question is we have
a old Michelangelo ceiling tiles, yes, in our kitchen dining room,
and they suffered water damage. I've had quotes to replace
them or to have the ceilings jibbed YEP. One quote

(50:32):
is putting batons on and then putting the jib onto
the batons over the tile, and the other ones just
jipping straight over the tile. And so I'm wondering which
is a better option or does it make any difference
whether you put the batons up or not.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
I suppose that the if they were using, for example,
Rondo bettons, which are the metal batons right, which are
part of the jib system, then you know, if there's
some unevenness in the ceiling, they'd be able to pack
them down a little bit. So typically, if you watch
guys putting battening systems nowadays, they'll set up a rotary laser.

(51:11):
They'll go round, do their perimeter that'll be spot on
dead level around the building, and then you put your
batons in and you can adjust them up and down
with a clip or a packer and then have the
ceiling absolutely flat, and then you fix your plaster board
to that. So I guess by doing that you get
the benefit of it hopefully being dead flat, and as

(51:33):
long as those clips then have got secure fastening, because
typically those clips are attached or those batons are attached
by a clip to the underside of the joist unless
they're direct fixed right. So the biggest issue with putting
a new lining underneath an existing one is making sure
that the fixings are right. So if, for example, the

(51:55):
contractor decides just to fix the plaster board to the
underside of the existing Michelangelo tiles, typically the Michelangelo tiles
are onto like a forty x twenty or a two
by one baton, which is fixed to the underside of
the joist, so and they run just Typically they run
parallel to the longest length of the tile, so the

(52:18):
tiles are six hundred by three hundred roughly, so along
those every three hundred millimeters there will be a row
of batons that the Mchelangelo tiles are fixed to, so
as long as the contractor is able to screw fix
into those. The other thing is that if you're direct fixing,
I just lining straight undneath Angelo tiles. You could put

(52:40):
some adhesive onto the Michelangelo tiles, but you're only bonding
them to something that's not particularly well fixed because those
Michelangelo tiles just go on with a staple, right, So
what you wouldn't want to do is stick your plasterboard
to the underside of the Michelangelo and have the whole
thing come down because it's all all the staples out.
So you just got to make sure that they're fixing
all the way through into the timber batons beyond.

Speaker 11 (53:06):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
So either way is okay, as long as you know
what the risks are with both methodologies. Yes, yeah, for me,
all the best take care. It brings back. I was
going to say triggering, but that's overused these days. I
did a garage one time when I was a very
young chippy. Garage downstairs and so, you know, internal access

(53:32):
garage that had just been left with the choice, and
it didn't have a ceiling in it, and the person said,
we'd like to put a ceiling into it. So and
I want to use Michelangelo tiles because they're elsewhere in
the house. It's got to be more than thirty years ago.
And I got battens tuober one batons and I had
to nail them into these joys, which were probably twenty

(53:53):
or thirty years old already. And this was before you
had nail guns, certainly before you had screw guns and
all the rest of it. So I don't know a
day of nailing battens up by hand. It was a
learning experience. Let's say, into timber that was certainly getting
pretty hard. Anyway, then you do them, and then you

(54:14):
go around with the Michlangelo tiles and staple them up. Job.
Still there still looks okay to be fair. Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call
Scott a very good morning to you get a Scott.

Speaker 12 (54:27):
Hello, Scott, Hello, Pate.

Speaker 4 (54:29):
How are you get a good thank you? In yourself?

Speaker 12 (54:32):
God? God, I rang you about a year ago about
a house that my father owns in Hamilton. Yes, that's
got wooden shingles.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
Oh yeah on the roof, yep.

Speaker 12 (54:42):
Yeah. And we had a we had an estimate to
fix it.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
Right.

Speaker 12 (54:47):
I couldn't get it. I couldn't get it across the
line with the family, which was surprising, but anyway, that
was how it was. And then the carpenter ran away
because he thought it was too much work. I'm just
going revisiting that now because we have to get it done. Yep,
it would need a consent because we've got to change
the tiling on the road from wooden shingles to ten

(55:09):
right or does that sound right to you?

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Yes? I would. I would say it triggers the requirement
for a building consent because it's not maintenance like for like, No.

Speaker 12 (55:21):
That's right. And then so to get a consent, what's
the best way to do that for a man that's
not into into the building game himself, but we'll want
to get.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
It done consents. In order to get a consent, you
need to set submit a set of plans. You can
only plans can only be drawn for building consent by
people who are licensed designers, an LBP designer, which might
be an architect, might be an architectural designer in some
cases people who are just LBP designers. So they'll need

(55:53):
to do a drawing. They'll need to show the methodology
for it, which I would imagine is going to be
that you'll remove the existing shingles back down to the plywood.
Then you're going to have to know.

Speaker 12 (56:10):
It's it's done on battons, yes, no, yes, battens with
building paper and then and then good rafters, and all
the rafters all within the code. But the batons and
the battons. There's heaps of battons and it's all pretty pretty,
pretty dry and good up in there. Yeah, you said

(56:32):
you have to put extra baton in here, a little
bit more than there to get to the code.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
No, I think what you'll find is that the batons
will not meet the requirements of the building Code. So
typically pearlins.

Speaker 12 (56:45):
You have to put the extra peerlins and then extra
bits of what thens can stay there, but you have
to beef it all up.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
Yeah, that's right, so you basically ignore the existing batons.
You do you repearl in the roof, you'll have to
redo all of the valleys to allow for you know, yeah,
you'll end up read doing the valleys, probably doing all
the perlins, which will probably mean that you have to
end up right raising the facia and bargeboards around the

(57:16):
building as well. Then you can do your new roofing
with a roofing underlay, and you probably end up having
to lift up all of your spouting as well, because
you'll find that your roof now will be considerably higher
than where it was and that the water will just
shoot over the top of your spouting. If you don't
address the spouting at the same time.

Speaker 12 (57:37):
That's why spout all the spout is.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
Yeah, it needs to be replaced anywhere.

Speaker 12 (57:43):
Yeah yeah, right right round most of the roof that
like a a baranda like it flattens out for averend rover.
Hang gotcha, Yeah, it's not. It's not a bulldoze. It's
not a bull nose one, the flat one and so
that that then they talked about they're lifting out the

(58:04):
changing there, but that's all it always think get changed
anyway back.

Speaker 4 (58:07):
Yeah, I mean it's it's going to be a recently
significant job. By the time you remove the tiles, adding
the new perlins, put the iron on, it'll need to
have edge protection or scaffolding all the way around it.
You need to have an inspection. Possibly counsel might ask
you to look at the fixings of the rafters to

(58:28):
the top plate and just ensure that they comply with
the code. The other thing is it is it going
to be an opportunity for you to check the insulation
that might be in the ceiling space as well, that
that possibly has been inaccessible or.

Speaker 12 (58:49):
That's beauty of that's the beauty. That's got a huge
it's got a huge open ceiling space.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
Okay, that's cool.

Speaker 12 (58:55):
That's probably twelve foot high. You know, down slopes down obviously,
but it's very easy accessible, and it heats up and
drives out and does all that sort of stuff. What
you've probably put new pink bats and while you're there
and get little sort of you Okay, well you a
new new new not building payment, but the new type

(59:16):
of building paper would god in the tone, wouldn't they?

Speaker 4 (59:19):
Yeah, and you could make it much better as well
by introducing cavity and ventilation and and so on into
the roof space. But I also don't want to make
it way more complicated than it needs to be. Although
there are some benefits to that, so I'm telling you
that there are also some there's some new thinking about

(59:40):
how we construct our roofs to make them even more efficient,
let's say, And you might want to look at some
of that, but look, it's all going to need a consent.
And in order to get a consent, you need to
have someone draw you a set of plans.

Speaker 12 (59:55):
Yeah, and that's a that's an LBP designer or architect type.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Yes, So typically people who are architects or architectural designers
in New Zealand pretty much automatic. We are registered as lbps.
There are a small number of people that have LBP
design licenses who may not be either an architect or
an architectural designer, but either way, the only people that
are allowed to submit plans now for a building content

(01:00:20):
are those who have those licenses.

Speaker 12 (01:00:23):
Cool. And then so if you had the plan, if
you could find your original plans for the house, that
would be great.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
Yes, that will save a lot of time.

Speaker 12 (01:00:32):
Would they be sitting in council if you did a
LIMB report.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
You won't get them for a LIMB report, but you
can ask for the property file from council and that
will have all of the information that council have. And
more and more councils have moved to digitize all of
their records so it becomes a slightly more straightforward process.
Now it might cost about seventy hour dollars to request

(01:00:57):
that from the council, but it's very worthwhile. Yeah, there's
a lot of money when Yeah it does.

Speaker 12 (01:01:03):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, because my father got the house built
like way back, so yes, plans has plans that relate
to that house.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
So so yeah, and I don't know whether in your
own sort of archives you've got the original copies of
the building consent. If you do that, it's great, I
don't need to eat.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
Look, most of the time, chances of finding that not
that not that easy.

Speaker 12 (01:01:31):
Often no, but the propertly fathers the high chance that
they'll be in there, won't they.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
Yes, if it's been submitted for a building consent, then
council should have it and hopefully by now they've digitized it.
So that's where you go to. Good luck with the process.
Thank you very much, mate, all the very best to you.
You take care, see Scott you and news Talk said
b if you've got a question of a building nature,
you can call us right now, oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. In a couple of minutes, we're going

(01:01:56):
to be joined by Darren Valentine from Metro Performance Class
from part of the Red Trofit division talking about safety
glass in what it is in whits And and so
we'll be doing that in just to my first up
quick call from you, Mike, how are you.

Speaker 12 (01:02:12):
Hey?

Speaker 13 (01:02:12):
Thanks, I've written down the question. So we're consideringly purchasing
a property built in the nineteen sixties, but in nineteen
ninety three, a double garage and entry entry way extension
including a significant still being it was installed. It's got
building consent record on the limb, but it doesn't have
the CCC sign off. It seems that wasn't so unusual
about the time, because they changed the permits to consents

(01:02:34):
in ninety two. We've got a recent engineers report that
indicates the work appairs to have been completed to the
plans and therefore to consent standard, and a final inspection
is booked with the council, but they probably won't do
it in person until before the action takes place. We do,
but we do believe that there are sufficient standards and

(01:02:57):
plates for them to be able to approve of CCC.
But this record check won't be done before the option.
So how much risk will we be taking with it?

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
You're the potential purchaser of the property, correct, And it's
hard with options because you can't put conditions in. Can
you like if it was a you know, by by
agreement or by negotiation, you could add in a condition
to your sale and purchase agreement whereby the we will
proceed with settlement on the basis that the vendor achieves

(01:03:28):
CCC or a CoA Certificate of acceptance, but you can't
do that with an option.

Speaker 13 (01:03:35):
Yes, we understand. So the engineer's report indicates the work
appears to have conclude the plan sure to standard and
he seems to be he's been for a previous inspection,
but he'd have to write it all up and all
the rest of it. So it's about it's about getting
a c CC or equivalency to give yourself to Surety.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
Yeah, in recent experience in this area, would would make
me cautious, just in terms of feeling confident that if
you all of the evidence to counsel or counsel will
then issue you with either a CCC, which I think
is probably a bit unlikely because that it's going back

(01:04:15):
a while, they'll have some concerns around it. There's the
possibility that the inspector when they finally get to the
site will find other things that you may not be
aware of that they will then add into you know,
they might fail a final inspection because they've seen something

(01:04:36):
else that you haven't identified, in which case you've got
more problems to deal with. And also it still might
be quite a process in order to achieve either a CCC.
So look, I can't give you specific advice on this,
but you can hear in my voice I am quite

(01:04:57):
cautious around these things. Now it is not as straightforward
as it used to be, if it ever was.

Speaker 13 (01:05:07):
The biggest implications.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
I guess, like you know, lots and lots of properties
get sold across the country all of the time without
having you know, buildings that don't have CCC right or
have have work that hasn't been signed off. The biggest
issue becomes sometimes insurance. So if you are open and
transparent with your insurer and say to them it doesn't

(01:05:34):
have either a CCC or a CoA, they may have
some reluctance to ensure. Reluctance to ensure also means that
finances is challenging. So I've heard that those things are
starting to happen and are more commonplace. And also it
ends up leaving you in the position of the current vendor,
which is, should you put the property back on the

(01:05:55):
market and you haven't resolved all of these issues, you
then have you know, there is the reluctance from the
next purchaser to purchase your property because of it. So
though those tend to be beguition.

Speaker 13 (01:06:07):
So so that makes entire stents and just a really
quick followup question, if you decide to rectify or get
it to a standard ie expos everything, you know, do
some more work or whatever it is in your experience,
has that always required going back almost a start state
or are there things that you can do kind of
trans three between to allow you to get it to

(01:06:29):
a standard by where actually you get the consent or
get a consent, do you have to actually go back
to start state?

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
Or when you say start state, isn't like strip all
the lining off and all the rest of it. No,
that would be really unusual, to be fair, But it
does pay in this instance to get some really good
advice and have someone argue for you. So, whether that's
the engineer that you've engaged, whether it's going to a

(01:06:56):
registered building survey, someone like that who understands the law
and can push back sometimes on council. You know, I
think that would be money well spent for you if
you're going to argue it. But again, you know what
you're talking about now is more risk in the in
the purchase and then potentially expenditure that you might not

(01:07:16):
have been expecting going forward all right, Hey, good luck
with it all, all right, thank you very much. Yeah,
take care. I just wonder whether the issue is actually
around having to purchase at auction by negotiation, you could
add in a whole bunch of other conditions, interesting one,

(01:07:38):
fascinating one, fascinating one. Just before we talk to Darren,
who's waiting on the line. Pete loved the show, Thank
you very much. Curious questions. What's happening to the blockhouses
intended for this year's canceled series? Christine, very good point.
They will go on the market. I think guys are
finishing them fairly soon as it happens. Oh eight, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

(01:08:00):
We'll take your calls shortly. But right now, it is
my great pleasure to welcome to the show for the
first time, actually, Darren Valentine from the good people at
Metro Performance Glass A very good morning to you, Darren.

Speaker 5 (01:08:12):
How are you hi, Peter, I'm well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
I hope you are too.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
Yeah, thank you, and thanks for jumping in so really
appreciate it. Love the connection that we have with Metro.
And I was going to sort of frame part of
this discussion with a memory that doesn't leave me, which
was when we were at school, which was back in
the eighties, and there was a bunch of us rough
housing and running around and that sort of thing. And
one of the guys was chasing another guy and he

(01:08:38):
chased him through the doors to the gym and it
was a swinging door and it swung back and he
put his hands up and he went straight through the
glass right and it chattered into really sharp shards. And
then when he freaked out and pulled his arms back,
he did quite a bit of damage. And I guess
looking at that, and I've always gone back to that

(01:08:59):
whenever people go why do I need safety glass? And
I go, that's why you need safety glass. So tell
us a little bit more about what safety glasses and
why it's so important.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Yeah, sure, I mean in a residential building in New Zealand,
there's two main types of safety glass used. There's tempered
or tough and glass. And that glass is put through
a furnace. It's seated up to a very high temperature
then suddenly cooled and that process does two things festival
and actually makes that glass around about four to five

(01:09:33):
times stronger than the glass that went into the furnace, yes,
but most importantly exactly what you were talking about, and
those of us of a certain vintage who remember those,
I'm glad you're sort of around that. But when that
tough and glass breaks, it breaks into fragments rather than

(01:09:55):
shards and makes a chance of any serious injury.

Speaker 8 (01:09:59):
Very low.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
And I don't know again, going back ortage, you dropped
an rock cup on the hard surface, it shattered into
all these little fragments. That's what you're looking at. Was
tempered or tough glass.

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
The other one that tip we get used is laminate.
Tends to get used of people wanting to cut down
on a bit of laminate coming up laminate a bit
of you coming through their windows or acoustic and so
what that is. That's two bits of glass with a
soft interlade they're bonded onto. It still breaks into those
shards that you mentioned earlier on but then hold talk

(01:10:36):
together as one panel and again doesn't do the damage
that standard glass does.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
Right, which might be a little bit more like windscreen
glass for example.

Speaker 12 (01:10:46):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Yes, So again one of the advantages for that is
something goes through your windscreen, then you don't have a
whole lot of glass flying in your face.

Speaker 5 (01:10:55):
Now it does make it hard to see though.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
Yeah, absolutely so. In terms of like there are a
number of requirements within New Zealand standards within building code
around where you need safety glass, and it does get
reasonably complex for homeowners. What's the best process in terms
of understanding where I need it and where do I

(01:11:17):
get advice on where I need it?

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
It depends on the level of the information you need.
Let's you're just wanting someone to actually do it on
an auto pilot for you. So if you're doing a
retrofit and the lights does, consults can certainly help out
there a lot. They know where because that's actable, so

(01:11:43):
they were glass and safety glass needs to go. Also
they know bit more sources of information. Yeah, and that's
your body, it's wagging and that's a putong. The website
that you can go through our answers all sense point

(01:12:09):
true and it's actually a document's to downlow. So depending
on you.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
Tweeting Darren, I tell you what can I just ask
you to hold for a moment where I'm starting to
have some issues in terms of the connection. We're going
to just pop you back on hold. We're going to
play the break and we'll try and get you back
on a new line in just a second. Hold on there,
Radio Darren from Metro Performance Glass is with us this morning.

(01:12:39):
Thanks very much for holding on. We just want to
try and change something there. Hey, just just going back
to the safety glass. Like for most of us, I
think we understand that there's really really important areas where
it should be used, for example, shower screens, you know,
large panels, indoors. Again going back to my earlier story,
those sorts of things. How do we know that we've

(01:13:02):
got safety glass.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Well, safety glass must have a safety stamp on it,
so and not a branding stamp. So sometimes you will
see that someone puts their brand name on the glass.
That that is not a safety stamp. Okay, yeah, so
safety stamp and generally what you'll see on that is
it needs to have the name of the company or

(01:13:26):
a register, the number of the producer of the glass. Yes,
the type of safety glass that's there. For example, our
tempered glass is temper float and our laminated glass would
have safe light on it. And then what you're also
looking for is the standard that it conforms too, which
in New Zealand is as n Z S two two eight.

(01:13:49):
And sometimes you'll also see the grade of the typically
there's two grades used in New Zealand. And in your home,
you're looking for grade A safety glass on that safety stamp.

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
Right, And because this is often the sort of thing
that inspectors will look forward a final inspection. So if
some re in your contract that hasn't installed it, hopefully
it'll get packed up at final inspection. But you know, again,
I you know, we often get fixated with the rules
and the regulations and I come back to the practicality,
which is, you know, the last thing we want is

(01:14:20):
that like that incident that I described or and I've
seen it, you know, with young children for example, charging
around the house hitting a ranch slider thinking that the
door is open when in fact it's closed, and running
into it. You know that those sorts of issues or
those sorts of events happen, and that's why we've got
safety glass. That's why it's so important. Yes, the other

(01:14:41):
thing I just wanted to chat with you in terms of,
like you know, working with glasses is can be hazardous, right,
and so the people that you're working with is that's
really important that you're confident that they're managing all of
those hazards. So if you're talking about safe people in
terms of teams and supervisors, what's the process for you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
Sure, Well, the first thing we know is that we're
in your home, and your home is your sanctuary, so
we've got to operate very safely. The first thing you
should do is that there's planning that needs to go
into it. You don't just walk up and start replacing glass.
So we isolate the workspaces, We plan and work, and
communicate with the homeowner and tell them, look, we're going
to be working in that area for this long. We

(01:15:23):
will need that separated off, as they say, specially if
there's children around when they first walk up, you want
to make sure that when they start working with the
glass that they've got proper ppe on it. I send
shivers down my spine when I don't see people that
are handling glass wearing cut resistant gloves, gauntlets, even shorts.

(01:15:46):
You know, if glass breaks sharp, you really want to
protect yourself and that gives you good indicators of the
people that are working there. If they're actually cuttered up properly,
then you also want to see how they're behaving in
terms of all the rubbers should be removed immediately, especially
if there's sharp objects involved or potentially hazardous materials. And

(01:16:06):
then you know, do they actually work clean and tiding
so And the final thing is even the equipment they're using.
If you're seeing they're pulling out old leads with cuts
in them, everything should be test and tag in near
new condition. If they're climbing up on ladders, what the
condition of their leaders? Are they rushing that sort of thing.

(01:16:27):
It's the things that you'd normally look for anyway. And
the only thing that is then added is that how
they actually kick themselves out, because the last thing anyone
wants on a site is either one of their loved
ones getting hurt or having to deal with an emergency
on the site.

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
And I guess you know this is the difference between
let's say smaller or more informal operations in a larger
organization that has that training in places those you know,
has someone who's looking at what they do, reviewing it,
testing it, talking about constant improvement. Those sorts of things
are really important.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:17:05):
Yeah, Hey, I'm just curious too because people will be
listening to this going, yeah, I understand the gloves and
da da da da. What's a gauntlet?

Speaker 12 (01:17:12):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Sorry?

Speaker 12 (01:17:13):
If fair?

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
So, it's a piece of equipment that is cut resistant
that goes from basically the wrist area where all your
arteries are, so it's a really important piece of and
it goes up to the elbow. So if the glass
unexpectedly breaks quite often the way that you carry glass,
the first place one of those shards of glass is

(01:17:36):
going to go is into that nice soft part in
your arm. Well, that gauntlet is a piece of protective
equipment that's worn that just keeps it so if you
see someone with short sleeves and the bare arm again,
and there have been some horrific things even on video
where someone's working with it, and that's what that piece
of equipment avoids.

Speaker 4 (01:17:55):
Yeah. The other thing too, just in terms of the
retrofit space, So if there's a requirement to have safety
glass as part of a retro double glazing, that's possible.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Sorry, what was just christ In.

Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
Terms of like you know, we're often we're talking on
this show about retrofit double glazing, right, Yes, so if
we're doing a retrofit, we've ordered a DG unit, but
there's a requirement to have safety glass as part of
the standards. That's achievable in retrofit as well, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (01:18:27):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Absolutely, And the should form an important part of the
conversation and be you know, again, we like to keep
the homeowner informed because again it's this invisible threat that's
in the home that our objective when we walk away
from the job is that the people can enjoy the

(01:18:47):
end result without risk or fear of something not being safe.

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
Yeah, and that's what ultimately it's all about. Hey, Deren,
thank you very much for your time. Really informative and
good to get that information. And again, you know, you
and I probably have that vintage where we can remember
what it was like when there wasn't a lot of
safety glass around, and I think we've all got a
picture in our head of what happens when it's not
there and it ain't pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
I can tell you that it's been an absolute pleasure
talking to you.

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
Nice to talk to you too. Take care, all the best,
all the best, Darren Darrel see eight hundred eighty ten eighty,
will continue taking your calls. And I just on the
safety glass and I told that story just the beginning
of that that chat with Darren. I remember we were
was at school. We're charging around and a guy the

(01:19:35):
door was swinging back. It was an aluminium door with
glass panels in it, and he put his arms up
to stop the door swinging back because he was intent
on catching the guy that had obviously upset him. Put
his his arms up and that just went straight through
the panels of the upper you know, there's a lower panel,
and then a top panel went straight through shattered or

(01:19:59):
broke into shards. And then I think you know that
it was the panic of criky. I've just put my
arms through the or and then pulled back, and it
was the pulling back that caused the injuries. That's why
we've got safety glass. That's why it's so important, and
that's why council inspectors at final inspection where it's required,
they should be seeing that stamp on the glass where

(01:20:20):
it's actually laser etched into the glass. You can't remove it.
It shouldn't be a sticker. We're going to talk more
about buildings straight after the news, sport and weather and
recycling fabrics. Well, a very good morning, welcome back to
the program. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty will
take building questions right through to eight thirty. Then of
course we're into the garden with the inimitable red climb

(01:20:41):
pasted with us from eight thirty this morning, going to
be having a chat with Tim from Retext. Check it
out online. Actually do that right now, just type in
retext r e t ex dot co dot nz Hang
and I bought it up as well. This was a
company that I bumped into timid an event and then

(01:21:01):
looked at what they do in terms of recycling textiles,
and I was app fascinated. They also end up recycling
textiles into like you know, protective layers for builds. So
typically if you're doing a build and you've laid a
new floor, you'll go and get some card water, you'll
get some other bits and pieces. Now you can use
recycled textile. Anyway, more on that shortly, but I was

(01:21:23):
fascinated by it, and in terms of, you know, the
sort of the space that I'm operating and where I'm
doing some work around construction waste and waste minimization and
promoting resource recovery and those sorts of things. To see
what happens to textile is really really important because we
might put it into a recycling bit and then you
wonder what happens to it. Well, I'll tell you all

(01:21:43):
about that in just a moment. Warreick, good morning to you.

Speaker 14 (01:21:47):
Good morning. I've got a bit of a problem with
a concrete internal foundation that is showing signs of crumbling
away with that quite evervescent stuff around the edge of it,
and the concrete just crumbles to a powder yep. And
I listened to your program some time ago, and I
remember you discussing it with someone and there was a

(01:22:09):
treatment you could use.

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
If we were talking about moisture in Greece, then there
are some treatments that will help resist moisture migrating through
the block.

Speaker 14 (01:22:22):
Will it's an internal foundation inside the house and it's supporting.
It's under a supporting foundation on the wall for a
second level.

Speaker 4 (01:22:36):
Right, do you think that the crumbling is to the
extent where it would cause instability.

Speaker 14 (01:22:45):
Well, it's covering. It gone back an area and the
foundation of about seven hundred I suppose from a doorway,
and it's worked its way back about probably about seven
hundred and it hasn't stopped. So it's a slow process,
but it is happening.

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
And when you say it hasn't stopped. It's the presence
of the efforescence that you're seeing that white powder on
the block on the concrete work. Or is it actually
you know it's it's actually crumbling and falling away.

Speaker 14 (01:23:20):
Yeah, it's actually crumbling and falling away.

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
To what extent, like just the surface or all the
way through.

Speaker 14 (01:23:28):
No, this is probably getting onto wood halfway through the
foundation itself.

Speaker 5 (01:23:34):
Hm.

Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
And do you think you know, realistically, given what you
can see, that there's risk of it becoming unstable and
no longer offering up any support like it's intended.

Speaker 14 (01:23:46):
To do well, that that is potentially a problem. Yes,
it could if it keeps If it keeps going.

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
I suppose there's two things. One is what's causing it,
because generally these things shouldn't happen right now unless you're
getting and typically if you do have a sho is
with the durability of concrete, it's around moisture. So is
there excessive.

Speaker 14 (01:24:11):
Didn't they mention? Or I think you mean someone mentioned
salts in the concrete in the mix.

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
That relates to the efflorescence, right, So it's salts that
are often you know, we use sand, right, and unless
the sand is completely and utterly cleansed of any salt
that might be there. You might see it appear over time,
whether or not it then goes on to cause concrete decay.
You'd want to go and talk to an engineer about that. Look,

(01:24:38):
I if you know, it sounds like you've got some
genuine concerns and have good reason for that. I wonder
whether approaching a structural engineer to come and determine it,
and then getting advice from them as to what remediation. Now,
it might be a case of actually sort of cleaning
the area, boxing out around it and pouring a foundation

(01:24:59):
around it to offer up some support. It might be
that you need to prop part of the building, remove
it and replace, but I'd get guidance from a structural
engineer on that.

Speaker 14 (01:25:12):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
All right, all the very best to you. Take care
and look, it's quite potentially, you know, it's quite possible
that the engineer will look at it and go, Okay,
it's happening, but it's unlikely to cause any issues with stability.
We'll just leave alone, or we'll just treat it as
it is and hope that it stops, in which case
it probably will be a treatment to prevent that moisture,
ingress and therefore essence righty Oh. Now, I went out

(01:25:36):
to meet Tim at Retexts a couple of probably a
month ago now, and I had to wander around, and
to be fair, I saw a whole lot of stuff
that I've never ever seen in my life. Tim, thank
you very much for joining us this morning on the program.

Speaker 15 (01:25:51):
Thanks thankfully.

Speaker 4 (01:25:52):
I'm true, it's a pleasure. So just just quickly, retext
is a manufactured it's a factory where textiles. Now, actually,
let's start with the basics. When you say textile, what's
a textile that can be recycled?

Speaker 15 (01:26:08):
Okay, so just quickly, if I just go back a
se so retext is a brand. Yes, Textile Products is
the manufacturer of retext gotcha. So just a little bit
of background. Textile Products have been recycling and manufacturing and
ZOM for about the past sixty years, basically committed to
transforming textile waste, so things like waste wool, wool uniforms, closing,

(01:26:33):
polyester insulation, acoustic insulation offcuts into valuable, endless recyclable products. Essentially, yeah,
to provide sustainable solutions so those products can keep coming
back to textile products and get it remade just like retext.

Speaker 5 (01:26:50):
Right, so when people use retext.

Speaker 15 (01:26:53):
They can use it once, twice, three, four, or five times.
That has a value proposition, and when they're finished with it,
they can return it to where they bought it from.
We pick it up, take it back to the factory,
back to textile products, and only hunger and remake it
into retext or other products.

Speaker 9 (01:27:12):
Yeah, because I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
Thinking, you know, if you think about all of the
textiles that might be in our lives, and sometimes at
the time of manufacture, if you've got a roll of
fabric and you're cutting out T shirts, right, you're going
to have offcuts and where do they go? So that's
it's that, it's carpets, it's it's just it's important.

Speaker 15 (01:27:30):
Yeah, uniforms, carpet, woolen carpets. Yeah, pretty much, anything that
doesn't have a chemical kind of element to it, right,
we can deal with. I mean, we're just recently we're
talking to a film studio about the green and the
blue screen carpets, looking at recycling those, yeah, and turning

(01:27:51):
them back into something they could use back on the
film set. So yeah, things like that. We do get
a lot of uniforms from companies and those will get
process through and made into retext. But we make other products,
we make whole esteration. We may remove all blankets under
as wadding, geotextiles, so weed matt yes, erosion control, mating,

(01:28:14):
but again all fully recyclable and by it agradable, so
you know, not leaching plastics and such like out into
the into the environment.

Speaker 4 (01:28:26):
And I'm intrigued by that comment that you make around
is endlessly recyclable. Right. So let's say, because one of
the things that caught my eye to be fair, was
that you do essentially flooring protection, right, which over the years,
you know, I've seen a number of products there and
typically when we're finished using them, we roll them up

(01:28:49):
and they go in the bin, right, and they go
to landfill. So yours is slightly different, that's right.

Speaker 15 (01:28:55):
So with retex, because of the durability of the product,
you can use it, as I said, you know, four
or five times, and it can be used a side
or outside. So that's the value proposition. But when you
are finished with it, it does have a home to
come back to, so it doesn't need to go into

(01:29:16):
the skit. So what I say to people is look,
we'll do our bit by recycling it and providing an
easy access for it to come back to textile products. Yes,
the merchants, So the building merchants, you know, we are
top sort of four or five building merchants of stocking
and have access to retext through our distributed easy access

(01:29:36):
and so you can return it there if you want,
and we pick it up. There's no charge to anyone.
So we've taken away all the barriers and that comes
back to textile products and we remake it back into retext.
So if everyone does the advert, then it shouldn't end
up in landfill. And just to give your listeners some context,

(01:29:57):
we process thirty five tons a week of textile waste
and turn it into products that people in the building
industry other industries use every day. And that's drop in
the bucket. There's one hundred and eighty thousand tons of
texile waste goes to landfill. And you every year.

Speaker 4 (01:30:19):
In these numbers when you start looking into waste and
trying to do something around waste minimization, and you look
at the scale of the challenge, you know, and I
keep saying to people, you know, what, we've got to
realize is that construction in Auckland anyway contributes about fifty
percent of the volume of material going to landfill.

Speaker 12 (01:30:36):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:30:36):
We are a shockingly wasteful industry. So I just look
at something an initiative like this and the work that
you've been doing for all of these years and go, actually,
this is great. And also I think too sometimes we
as consumers or as the producers of waste material, we
feel that there's not a pathway for it that you know,
people talk about greenwashing or they talk about stuff that

(01:30:59):
theoretically goes through recycling, but it doesn't. Actually it just
goes straight to landfall. But you know, this is where
I was excited to see what you're doing, which is
we're taking this material, we're taking these textiles, and we're
making a product that is then infinitely recyclable. That's correct,
and we've got a pathway.

Speaker 15 (01:31:16):
So that's that's the key, right. But it's not just
the fact that it's going to landfill. It's the carbon footprint.

Speaker 5 (01:31:23):
Of getting it to the landfil yes.

Speaker 15 (01:31:25):
Backwards and forwards, backwards and forwards. So whilst there is
some carbon footprint and us picking up textile ways, it's
a lot better than it's just steaming up in the dump.

Speaker 4 (01:31:36):
Well, particularly that in what you've set up, you've also
got this pathway where people, once you've used the product
can return it right, so it's it's not a difficult
process to then ensure that you know you're doing the
right thing, which is if you're using a recycled product
that when you've finished with it, it can be recyclable
and here's the pathway for it. That's I think it's

(01:31:58):
exciting to really appreciate you spending a bit of time
with us this morning. I would encourage you to go
and check it out. I just found it absolutely fascinating,
So have a look at retext dot co dot nz
and if you yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:32:12):
Also great work.

Speaker 15 (01:32:14):
Also if the listeners want to get the whole product
range and they can't find it on our website, they
can go to easy Access yep. So they are our distributors.
So they're the premium wholesaler of high access solutions in
New Zealand or made in Mango Toroedo like us a
family business. We've partnered that with Easy Access and they've

(01:32:38):
been fantastic managed to get us into those building merchants
and that's the key, right because it's getting the reach
and the eyeballs on the product and people go oh
okay cool, and I can chuck my high vision the
bin hair, yeah, clothing, my old uniform, it'll go back
to textile. It'll make a product that I'll use on site,
whether you're renovating or a new build.

Speaker 4 (01:33:00):
Yeah, yeah, Look, I think it's exciting. Really appreciate your time, Tom,
and we'll catch up against all the best mate, take
care bothering into him. Oh karaky, troubles arrived, folks. I'd
forgotten all about this, to be fair, but when he
signed off last week said hey, I'll see you next week,
and to be fair, I've completely forgotten. But there he is,
lurking on the other side of the glass. It's going

(01:33:23):
to be some fun today. We're going to take a
short break. We'll be back in a moment with Gail.
If you'd like to talk to Rude from eight thirty,
you can call us on eight hundred and eighty eight. Well,
it's going to be lovely having Red in the studio.
He's ready to go at eight thirty. But right now, Gail,
a very good morning to you.

Speaker 16 (01:33:40):
Good morning, Pete. Hi, there we have a problem around
our swimming pool. It got bricktailing certain concrete, but the
grouting has sort of load and the edges are quite sharp.
We wondered, could we get grouting pushed all over the
whole thing and then somehow get it all for bread

(01:34:03):
or there was another way of doing it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:05):
Yeah, I mean if the grout, you know, let's say
the grout is settled or it's moved or something like that,
then yes, applying a new grout over the top is fine,
but you would want to go and where if you
get that product from. You'd want to go and talk
to them about things like adhesion, Right, So you want
to make sure that the new grout, if it's going

(01:34:26):
to be a thin layer over the top of the
existing one, is actually going to bond and not just
delaminate and come out later on. So adhesion is the
key there, because what you don't necessarily want to do
is have to go through and cut all of the
old grout out. But no, that should be relatively simple.
And then you know, like with grouting tiles, you've got

(01:34:48):
to be a little bit conscious. Especially bricks that are porous, right,
they will absorb and get stained by the grout very quickly.
So the person doing the work needs to make sure
that that as they're applying the grout, they're cleaning it off,
that it's not You can just kind of pour a
slurry over the whole thing and then clean it. But
you don't want to wait too long. You don't want

(01:35:08):
to let it dry. There's a bit of I suppose
it's been a knowledge in getting it right. But yes,
theoretically it's still you can pourse. You can, but then
you want to be working quickly to ensure that it
doesn't start bonding to the bricks, which is not where
you want it.

Speaker 16 (01:35:28):
No, it was, So is that is it better just
to individually fill all the grass?

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
Look, that's probably the approach that I would take. And
I go years ago, I did some big six hundred
by six hundred pavers and then I grouted them right,
and it was quite a big grouted gap in between,
and I just worked my way along each individual line,
filling it with grout, packing it and cleaning it off
and cleaning the surrounding area as I went right and

(01:35:54):
worked my way across that way. So I would probably
take the same approach with the bricks that I would
kind of point them almost and apply that and clean
off an area and then move on to the next
area and keep cleaning as you go. Pointing is if
you look at brickwork. When brickwork is being laid, there's
mortar in between the bricks, and then the bricklayer will

(01:36:15):
point them by scraping out the joint and making it neat.
So if you did a grout that wasn't a really
wet slurry and you essentially pointed it. But again it's
that adhesion is the key, because what I don't want
to do is say, pour a layer on top and
then you find that it delaminates and comes off again.

Speaker 16 (01:36:36):
And who would do that sort of thing?

Speaker 17 (01:36:37):
Would we.

Speaker 8 (01:36:40):
Look?

Speaker 4 (01:36:40):
Probably a tyler would be a good place to start.
Someone that's got a bit of experience with that. You
might find a bricklayer, I mean, a general contractor may
have an inclination. It's just you've got to try and
find someone who's got a little bit of a passion
for doing it. It's it's work that requires a bit
of care and attention to do well. Yes, all the

(01:37:01):
very best, you go, take care and Julie a very
good morning to you. Hello, good morning, morning.

Speaker 17 (01:37:08):
Morning, Hello, Hi, I have a large area of what shrawing.
It's been part of us. I would like to get it,
then send it off and apply what oil. Yep, but
I'm having I'm having trouble finding a four floor standard

(01:37:30):
and advocato. Will you have any recommendations? Please?

Speaker 4 (01:37:36):
Look, it depends a little bit on where in the
country you are and what type of flooring it is.
So what's what type of flooring do you actually have?

Speaker 17 (01:37:45):
It's a I'm in Mangawai area and it's a hard
hard wood.

Speaker 4 (01:37:50):
Flooring and it's tongue and groove, or it's it's laid
down over the top of a substrate.

Speaker 17 (01:37:57):
I think it's tongue and groove.

Speaker 4 (01:37:59):
I think right, laid down directly over the joists, or
is it stuck down onto a concrete slab? Do you
know what's underneath it?

Speaker 9 (01:38:10):
No, I think it's tongue and groove.

Speaker 4 (01:38:12):
I think right. I mean the reason I'm asking it
question is like sometimes with tongue and groove, it's already
been sanded. You may not actually have enough of the
material left to sand again. So you've got to be
a little bit cautious around that. Depending on the type
of material it might depend on how much you can
actually sand off, and then some types of timber might

(01:38:34):
not actually respond particularly well to using like a natural oil.
It's unlikely, but it's possible. Right, So there's a few
issues there. Look, I tell you what's Stay on the line.
I'll give you the number of a guy who is
very experienced who might be able to help you out.
But it is pretty challenging what you're it seems simple,

(01:38:57):
but it may not be. All right, Okay, just stay
on the lines, Julie. I'll be with you in just
a moment, righty, oh, let's rip it. I think we'll
take a short break. Redkline passed live and in person.
I'm looking forward to this, ladies and gentlemen. We'll be
back talking all things gardening and the wonderful world of
bugs with rud straight after the break.

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
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