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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
All right, if we are back on doctor Dolli issue,
thank you aver toun n one eight seven seven Doctor
Dolli one eight seven seven d O C D A
L I. So some of you may be aware that
there's going to be some mask mandates brought back now.
I know some of you are listening going, oh, okay,
is this an old rerun? No, it's it's October twenty

(00:56):
twenty five. Yeah, mask mandates may be coming back.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Sonoma County Health Department told Newsweek in California that the
timing of disorder was done in conjunction with other Bay
Area counties in anticipation of the winter searge in COVID
and flu, which is typically nationally, if not globally. So
the mandate is going to go into effect November one
in Sonora in Sonoma County inside certain healthcare facilities, so

(01:24):
not restaurants or schools yet, but just due to risk
of COVID flu and other respiratory viral related illnesses. Now,
I got an email This was a few months back,
I think during the summer, where one of my listeners
saw somebody in a mask when they were at the
movies and saw somebody else in a mask when they
were at Disneyland or whatever, and asked, what are they

(01:49):
sick with?

Speaker 3 (01:50):
If somebody is currently wearing a mask, is.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Their doctor telling them to wear a mask, or they
just worried they're going to get sick, or do they
have something? And they think that somebody wearing a mask
might actually be sick and contagious, so.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
They want to avoid that person with a mask.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
And you know, I admitted this to you guys. You
know I when I wanted to get out of somebody
sitting next to me on an airplane.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
This was way before COVID.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
I would wear a mask and I would sit there
and smile, and they just kind of walked away. They're like, well,
I don't want to sit next to her. Now, why
would somebody not want to sit next to me right
wearing a mask? Well, because at the time before COVID,
if you saw somebody wearing a mask, you assumed they
had tuberculosis, or they had pneumonia, or they had something

(02:44):
that they could spread to you, and they were ill.
Mask was a sign of illness. A ski mask was
a sign you were going skiing, or you're about to
rob a bake. And so when you looked within a
second of looking at somebody wearing a mask, like if
that that person is sick, or that person could be

(03:05):
so immune compromised that I could give them something without realizing,
so you instinctively would stay away from that person. Then
all of a sudden COVID came. There were these mask
mandates and.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
The thinking of okay, well.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Wait a second, you know that I could still get something,
you know, because they're they're they're in a mask, are
obviously sick. I'm sitting next to them on a plane.
That mask is you know, not a super star trek shield.
It's gonna uh, you know not. It's not gonna deflect everything.
As we saw with the vice presidential debate between Mike
pensa Kabla haaras it didn't. The the plexiglass did not
deflect a fly that decided to sit on Mike Pence's head.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
For a good part of the debate.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
So we all of a sudden we change that thinking, going,
oh no, no, it's fine. If you wear a mask
and you're sitting next to somebody in a plane, then
you're good.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
But you have to wear the mask. Really, no, you're
not good. This is why COVID still spread.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
And so as a physician, I did wear masks between patients,
especially during flu season, because my fear was even if
I'm not sick, I could breathe it in and breathe
it on you. But the caveat was I changed out
the mask. I didn't just keep the same mask for months,
because once you wear a mask and you're breathing with
the expiration and the moisture in the expiration, once it

(04:23):
gets wet, it's not good.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
We got thrown out. So I would go through boxes
and masks, and so when I'm asked, you.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Know, what, what should we be doing cough, cold and
flu season?

Speaker 3 (04:36):
I think it provides a barrier.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
The very first thing Fauci said before he went down
the path, which I don't understand why he did, but
the very first thing he said is it provides a barrier.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
It's not a good enough barrier.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
It's not going to deflect something like COVID to the
degree it needs to.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
But it's a barrier.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
And I like having barriers, and I think they actually
prove really well with in laws.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
He yours aren't too bad. In general.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
I don't mind a good barrier. And so if you
feel like you're gonna get sick, if you feel like
it might minimize your chance by five or ten percent.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Go for it. But it's got to be your choice.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Health Care facilities are easier to mandate things with because
you have individuals who are very vulnerable. So if I'm
told if I walk into a hospital to wear a mask,
I'm totally fine with that, but it needs to be
a fresh mask. Don't just have somebody pull something out
of their pocket round their glovebox. You need to, you know,
make sure that what they're wearing is appropriate.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
If not, it does nobody any good.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
And so, you know, mask mandates are going to probably
come back and forth. I think certain facilities and certain instances.
But if somebody has asthma, if somebody has autism, if
somebody's on a plane and they're not breathing, well, you know,
I was amazed at how I would struggling breathing with
a mask because somehow the partial pressure of oxygen did

(06:04):
not sit right with my lungs.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
I wasn't currently sick, but COVID did a number on
my lungs.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Or The only way I was able to remove my
mask was if I looked like I was drinking and
the flight attendants kept watching me, so I would when
they walked by, I would cover up and then I
would open it.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
To breathe and look like I was drinking.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
And I for those people with respiratory issues, I feel
for them.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
That was not easy, and I wasn't even sick.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
All I was was on a plane and the partial
pressure of oxygen drops, so sometimes you feel winded.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
So you know, somebody now wearing a mask, what do
they have? I can't tell you.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
I can't say if they have liver disease, if they're
made a compromise, were they a kidney transplant patient?

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Hard to tell. If they're wearing a mask.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
You know, it doesn't necessarily mean they after perculosis and
they can make you sick.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
It could be that they're just trying to protect themselves.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
But yeah, as a physician, I try not to breathe
or or infect them with anything and Maybe that's their
way of saying, look, I want you to leave you
the hellon.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Maybe they want their identity obscured. Notice how cities now
had to say, okay, stop.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
It with the ski masks for COVID in July when
you walk into a jewelry store.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Uh huh, no masks.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
But I really do believe that N ninety five respirators
assuming we are breathing in the chemicals which one study
alluded to where you need to air it out. Although
the more you air it out now you make it
less sterile. But N ninety five masks do provide better
protection than these surgical masks. But people are running them
for a variety of reasons, and you know what, if

(07:43):
it's their choice, that's fine. I'm just I don't like
mandates one eight seven seven doct belly.

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All right, when you're back on the Doctor Dolaia Show,
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A l I. Big thanks to Talk Media Network for
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Speaker 2 (10:40):
Multiple people are dead after a massive explosion erupted at
a Tennessee bomb factory. We're being told by Daily Mail
that the blast went off at the Accurate in Your
Energetic Systems plant. It's located sixty miles southwest of Nashville,
near the town of Bucks North. This happened at about

(11:00):
seven fifty am local time. We're being told at least
in nineteen people are feared dead. They are currently unaccounted for.
According to Humphreys County Emergency Management Director, the initial blast
was so big that locals reported hearing it miles I
think twenty one miles away.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
The extent of the damage is.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Unclear at this time. Unfortunately, the fire consumed the entire building.
Footage is showing burning debris, a lot of smoke. You
see several cars and buildings damage in the blast, and
emergency crews are right now working tirelessly to get to
the victims. They're urging the public to stay away. They

(11:44):
also are worried that there could be some secondary explosions.
If this is a bomb factory and some bombs go
off and now you have heat and then other things
can obviously ignite. So we're looking at horrific photos from
this according to Humphreys County Sheriff Chris Davis, they say
first responders of rush to aid those impacted by the

(12:05):
explosion right now. They say, we're prioritizing people that are
involved their families and tried to get very compassionate towards them.
The Hickman County Sheriff's offices ask locals to avoid the
area because I'm sure everybody wants to take a picture
and see, and you know, people want to help their
family members if their family members are there. Emergency responders
were not yet able to go into the plant because there.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Were continued explosions.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
The Tennessee Department of Transportation is also shut down State
Route to thirty just north of the I forty as
first responders are working on the scene and atf Bureau
of Alcohol Tobacco firearms explosives are also dispatched to the plant.
Officials expect the investigation is going to take several days,
so pray. I hope they find the victims. I hope
the victims are okay. Unfortunately, they are fearing that we

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have at least nineteen dead. The bomb miles away. Bionica
Holt lives fifteen miles of the factory and the whole
house shook. I mean she felt it that far away,
and uh, I'm not sure what happened, and hopefully we'll

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get some clarity soon. One eight seven seven Doc Dolly
one eight seven seven d C D A l I.
So Milania Trump made a rare press conference and this
was pretty impressive. So apparently she has been working to
get Ukrainian kids home and has had an open line

(13:38):
of communication with Putin, and you know, this is something
that I think is huge. And she says eight Ukrainian
children have now been reunited with their families after ongoing
talks with Putin. She said that in August she wrote

(13:59):
him Russian leader and at her husband hand delivered the
letter when he held a summit with the Russian president
in Alaska, so he said, this is from my wife.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Pluton was probably like uh la.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
La, but apparently he read it and it hit home.
I mean, only eight kids, but the AD's better than nothing. Unfortunately,
his invasion of Ukraine has resulted in so much death
and destruction as well as Ukrainian children ripped from their families,
taken to.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Russia so they could be raised as Russian.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
This is twenty twenty five, and we're seeing tactics that
are centuries old, taking kids away and raising them so
they could be in your army later.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
And it blowls my mind.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Well, the First Lady spoke at the White House today
while Donald Trump is at I believe Walter Reid getting
his semi annual physical and then he's going to be
off to the Middle East to be there for the
hostages home and UH to make sure that the peace
deal is implemented.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
UH to schedule.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
And so she said that after Putin responded to her letter,
they established an open channel of communication regarding the welfare
of those children. She says, we have agreed to cooperate
with each other for the benefit of all people involved
in this war. Both sides have participated in several back
channel meetings that calls over the past three months, and
one of her representatives has been working directly with Putin
steam to ensure the safe reunification of children with their families.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Now, this is UH.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
This is huge and and kind of unprecedented, and you know,
we we thought that uh. You know, you know, the
First Lady is usually sidelined, you know, given you know
things to do, and and you know, but but and
and you know significant, but this, this is huge.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
And for her to be able to work.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
With somebody who is you know, known for their cruelty,
known for their shenanigans and the games they play, it has.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Been ticking off, you know, her husband present drum.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
For her to be able to make any headway is huge,
the Associated Press were being told by Yahoo News has
documented the grabbing of Ukrainian children. In twenty twenty two,
the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant for Putin
for war crimes, accusing him of personal responsibility for the
abductions of children from Ukraine. Did anything get done with that?

(16:17):
It's been three and a half years the war that started,
I believe February twenty fourth of twenty twenty two, so
uh Milania. Trump said eight children have been reunited with
their families. Now we're assuming these are the Ukrainian children

(16:38):
that were abducted. You know what I think this exemplifies,
you know, what we're seeing with the Trumps and is
is things can get done. You know, we do this
in life where we come up with a goal, Now,
like I want to lose sixty pounds or fifty pounds.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Or forty pounds or I want to.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
You know, get buff I want to get a six pack,
or I want to and we come up with these goals,
which is good. I think goal setting is good. But
then when we failed to meet them, we quit, we
give up. I mean, peace in the Middle East can happen.
I don't think the two States solutions necessarily is is

(17:18):
going to work because unfortunately, the you know, there's you know,
there there's terrorists who want Mayhem and then they take
over gosins and Palestinians rule them and then bring them.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Into a state of despair.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
There's there's you know, we we there's you know, not
to mention, Israel only has x amount of land. I mean,
there's so many other countries out there that could provide homes,
you know, for a palasine and homeland, but no Israel
as small as it is, I think it's smaller than
the size of Rhode Island. You know, is being asked
to give up more land. It's it's God, it's a

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little one sided there. They only I gotta tell you,
I was just there. People asked, you know, how big
is it. It's it's not big at all. I mean
I was able to drive to the northern border, right
near Syria and Lebanon, into the border of Jordan very
easily in a couple hours. Now, it's about three four

(18:15):
hours to a lot the farthest most point.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
And I didn't do that because.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
I just didn't want to be in the car with
my mom for four hours. Loved my mom, but it
was already hard enough. I was already driving all day
with her all over the place. But you know, Gaza
is you know, forty five minutes away.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
From Tel Aviv. It's a really small country, not a
lot of room.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Saudi Arabia, huge, Egypt, huge Jordan, huge Syria, huge, Elebenon,
huge Israel tiny. Boy, are they big in terms of
being able to protect themselves and protect Americans and protect
people in their country. October seven? Should it never happened?
But when you look at the long you know, the

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Sixth Day War, the Yom Kippur War, the you know,
all the times people wanted to annihilate Israel, they they
they've been able to still stand.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
That's God. It's God's help.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Now people ask me, do I think God, you know,
intervened with Trump. Uh, you'll make it a president. I
think God definitely intervened on the day he was almost assassinated,
and if he hadn't had the immigration poster and turned
at that moment, which means immigration and Biden actually saved
his life. The mess with the border that Biden made

(19:37):
actually ends up saving Trump's life. Uh, but uh, you
know they Yeah, I do think. I do think God's involved.
You know, when when you go to Israel and you
see all the holy sites. You know, we went through Nazareth,
we went to the Sea of Galilee, Tiberias.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
I mean I've been there.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Before, uh, Masada, Jerusalem, you know, in Tel Aviv, you
would you know, Jafa just you know, seeing how I
was like one of the oldest ports still open. Uh
then and it's it's amazing that you know, uh it
has still withstood everything, the Romans everything, So sorry, it's fascinating.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
It's it was a Roman uh uh uh stronghold.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
There was a uh within Israel, and when you go there,
there's still so much uh there to see that still remains. Uh,
you know, definitely see Israel. It's I felt safer there
than I would.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
In Chicago now. So but yes, I do think God's involved.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
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All right, we are back now, Doctor Doli shall thank
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L I.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
So this next question is really.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Hard for me to answer, but I'm going to do
it because that's what this show is about. So one
of my listeners, again wants to be anonymous, is asking
me to comment on the younger generation of doctors and
their abilities in the COVID era and their medical abilities,
because apparently our listener is here in horror stories of

(22:54):
younger physicians not knowing how to do things, being less
shall we say, a stuit as the older colleagues, And
basically he wants me to comment. Am I seeing younger
doctors and younger students flail compared to who I trained

(23:15):
with and doctors from before that that's not.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Easy to answer. I have.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
I'm in touch with a lot of students, and I
work with a lot of students, and I got to
tell you, man, we have the most amazing minds to
get to medical school.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
It's not easy.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
However, yes, there have been some changes, and there have
been some trends. Now that does not equate or translate
to all new doctors and new students.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Like I said, there are some amazing, amazing people that
got through.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
However, there's been some things that I've been hearing from
medical schools and from professors and from doctors who work
with medical students, and they're very frustrated. They're very concerned now,
you know, they're There's one thing I always have to
tell doctors is, you know, when I was in medicine,
there was less to know than there is now.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
I was in medical school in the nineties. In fact,
I remember being an undergrad learning.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
About hepatitis A, hepatitis B, and then a non A
non B hepatitis. Well we end up now calling that
hepatitis C. But I mean that was before they even
called it hepatitis. It was non A, non B, you know.
So so what when when a doctor and an older
doctor compares.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
And this isn't the first time.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Another one of my listeners had said that her doctor says,
don't trust anybody you know who graduated past twenty ten.
And I don't agree with that entirely because what we
had to learn and how we learned is different than
what they're learning.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
And they have so much you know, I look at
what they're studying for biochem, what their mine was so much.
We had less uh.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Material to learn and consume. I also thought the boards
were fairly easy. Maybe it's because I took tests, and
maybe it's because I did really well on the SAT,
so I was more of a test taker. But I
think the boards were easier then than they are now.
There's also a lot of competition because there's so many students.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Maybe the boards are harder.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
I don't know, you know, but there have been some
changes in terms of kids getting into school with lower GPAs,
lower test scores.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Uh, there's been a lot of debate.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
On DEI and and debate on you know, what we
need to you know, look more diverse and well rounded
and and you know the thing with that is you
can't really get through medical school without you know, having
the tools and having the ability. And so I have
not witnessed somebody who got in for a non.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Academic reason, uh, that didn't do well. They they they still.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Have to you know, there's so much criteria to get
into school, that's that, you know. And those that do fail,
they if they don't fail let's say their first class,
they fail the boards, or they fail getting into residency.
So there's so many checks and balances throughout the training
that for those patients that are worried that somebody got

(26:23):
accepted to medical school who didn't have the skills for
them to pass so many benchmarks before they get to you.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
You know, it's it's it's it's rare.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
So most likely the person you are seeing is competent
pass their boards that you can't pass the boards, and
you can't, you know, they they schools might be able
to go, Okay, let's remediate you, let's really work with you.
Oh you almost got that answer right, I'll just give
it to you. Schools might you know, be able to
play around a little bit like that. But when you

(27:02):
have the national set of boards and you sit for those,
it's now pass failed.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
There's no score, but it's pass fail.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
And and now you know, did they did they lower
the threshold? I don't know, but they get in trouble
if they pass people that aren't competent. There has to
be a level of competency. So I wouldn't I wouldn't
panic about that. But we are seeing students struggle because.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
They're learning on computers.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
They aren't required to go to class, they aren't trained,
you know, with the you know type of I don't
ever want I mean, I mean, I mine was, you know,
very abusive, and it was it was, I mean, the
the people throwing things, doctors uh, hitting me.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
And stabbing me with tools, you know, the surgical tools.
I mean, it was.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
It was rough and and no medical school student should
ever go through that, the scrubs with Kelso and doctor
Cox making your life miserable. No, we don't allow that
to happen because it doesn't help learning. On the other end, though,
I really had to bust a move in the nineties
making sure I knew how to operate event I knew

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how to put in an IV, I knew how to
put in catheters, I knew how to perform the surgery.
I knew how to do an H ANDP do come
up with a right differential. There was no room for error,
there was no remediation. If you didn't do something right,
you killed somebody. And what I'm seeing with students is

(28:38):
many of them are not doing.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
The procedures that we did.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
I mean, you could not be a medical student without
having put in a Swangan's catheter or having put in
a femeral line.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
I mean, this is something we all had to do.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
And I'm hearing from students that no, they didn't even
do pap smears as medical students until they were in residency.
So is it that the culture change. We're patients are like,
I really don't want a student doing my papsmere. I did,
because that's also changed. So we had community clinics and
patients who didn't have insurance would get free health care

(29:15):
and they would get a medical student's opinion, a residence opinion,
and an attending's position. So they and many of them
liked the care they were getting. It was free, and boy,
we didn't miss anything. I mean nothing was half asked.
But on the other end, now that's where I saw
my first cervical cancer patient comes in, I do the
papsmeeer on them. And you have a lot of individuals that, no,

(29:37):
they really don't want a medical student, you know, up
in their business, you know, doing their papsmere.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
And I did a good job, I didn't, you know,
I you know, in fact, I diagnosed it.

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She was a woman who had never had a papsumer
because she didn't believe in them, and she said her
husband didn't want to sleep with her anymore because she
has a bad odor and she can't address the odor.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
And when I took a look. She had a necrotic service.
She had.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
It was dying flesh her cervix, which is the bottom
of her uterus, and and it was it was so
bad I almost faded the the oh I've I mean,
I've smelled you know, autopsies and roddy, I've but this
was fresh, running flesh.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
It was. Yeah, it was. It was rough.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
But I am so grateful for her allowing me to
because once you see that, you know, now, when somebody
says I have an odor that doesn't go away, I'm like,
when was your last papsmere?

Speaker 3 (30:26):
I might not be back to your vaginosis. This's gonna
be something serious too.

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Your doctor that you're about to see, your nurse practitioner,
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or or licensed through the medical board, and you could
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if they've had sanctions, and you are allowed to do
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many of us don't have choices anymore since Obamacare. And
how to tell a good doctor from a bad one,
or a good medical provider from.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
A bad one.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Well, somebody who listens somebody who tries to spend time,
somebody that just doesn't throw an antibiotic at it and say,
you know, a see you in three months and you'll
be able to tell if somebody is a good provider
or not. And you know, if you feel that you
have something that you don't want anybody to make a

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mistake on. You've been having chest pain, but they're calling
it anxiety and you're like, well, how do I know? It
still isn't the heart even with anxiety they get to
a cardiologist.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
You know, you do have choices.

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You might have to pay cash, but you know your
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doctor that listens to the show, and he's grumpy. It's okay,
He's allowed to be grumpy. It's kind of a you know,
very stressful time for a lot of us. But he
is grumpy at rf K Jr And blaming r f
K Junior for the lower vaccination rates of kids.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
And he wants me to be more.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Vocal about what's happening in terms of vaccines and rfk's
you know, make UH America's children healthy again. And I
the what I my my aunt sart to, you know,
what the doctor is concerned about. And I understand a
lot of people are concerned about herd immunity. Heard immunity
is where you know, if if the bigger, stronger people

(35:09):
in the herd either have immunity by vaccine, artificial munity,
or natural immunity, then the little.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Babies and the herd that they surround.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Have protection because the big herd animals deflect things coming
to it.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
That's kind of the herd immunity.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
So when you have individuals that can't be vaccinated or
have side effects vaccines, if a disease such as measles
or polio or whatever is eradicated, and you know, and
everybody's immune to it, that it's it's it has much
harder chance to get to the vulnerable people. That's where
hit heard community comes from. But my answer to the physician,
as I understand, is concerned. But the drop and vaccination

(35:45):
rates happened way before RFK Junior and the Trump administration.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
I mean, you know, families have been concerned.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
One mom said, you know, my child's getting twenty five
shots before they're one years old. Now is that true? Well,
these are just to review what these vaccines are. And
mind you, I'm pro vaccine. I look that we have vaccines,
we need vaccines, but parents are a little freaked out
about the numbers. You got the RSV vaccine. If mom

(36:15):
doesn't get the RSV vaccine, they want to give the
baby a dose for a respiratorist and social visist A
virus hepatitis B. They get their first dose at their
first dose at birth, second dose at two months, third
dose at about six months to fifteen months.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
So there's four doses.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Rotavirus first dose two months, second dose four months. They
might get another DTaP your diptheria, tetanus and acellular protesses.
First dose of two months, then four months and six months,
and then a year, so there's another four year to
fifteen months, twelve months to fifteen months. Many doctors would
give the twelve month shots because we see them at

(36:54):
the year mark, but then sometimes we split them up
into the twelve month of the fifteen monthmfluous influenza which
could cause meningitis, could cause ear infections, lots of sepsis.
The hib vaccine one two two months, four months, and
then either six months, year, the new macaccle vaccine for
pneumonia two months, four months, six months a year. In

(37:19):
activated polio, we used to do the oral polio.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
We don't do anymore.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Once a grandfather got polio after changing the baby's diaper.
So we do the inactivated, so it's a killed version
again two months, four months, six months, the MMR given
first dose at a year, Veraceella chickenpox given first dose
at a year, hepatiz eight first dose at a year,
and then if you add on top of that, so
it's about twenty three shots.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
If you add covid or in flu, now you're up
to twenty five.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
When they're eighteen months old to eighteen years you know,
they at the you know, some might get their third
dose of hepatites B if they haven't already gotten it.
They might get their dose of rs BE if they
hadn't gotten it yet. They will get a booster for
their DTaP. They might get a booster for their polio.

(38:07):
Of course, their flu.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Shots MMR the second dose.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Is at four years old, of four to six years old.
The verrocella chicken pox second dose four to six years old.
The second dose of your hepatitis.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
A, you might get it.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
And then of course when their teenagers will start getting
the HPV, the human papilloma viruses and then the Meninja
cockle virus.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Is not the.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Baby, the bacteria that cause it in infants and young children,
but now they need the Meninja cockle for the older individuals.
And so it's amazing how we have this now, and
we have prevented many childhood deaths due to our vaccination program.
But parents are looking at this as that's a lot.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
It's a lot of shots.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
And if each shot could carry a small, very small
minimal risk.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Of neurologic issues or gian bray where the.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Immune system decides to attack the child's spinal cord or
an allergy, now you have twenty three to twenty five
well opportunities where that could happen. That's why I'm not
a fan of necessarily splitting up the MMR. I'm mixed
on that actually, because the MMR vaccine, now you're adding
another three. Now we're up to twenty eight shots, well

(39:25):
or twenty if we're divided into three, then that's two
more additional shots. So actually, then you know what, that's
actually more because now at two months, four months, no
at a year and four months anyway, now you're almost
up at the thirty shot mark.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
And that's that's a lot.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Although I do agree that we should have individualized measles, mumps,
and rubella in case we do need to booster. Knowing
that some of the measles outbreak happened in vaccinated individuals,
is it because they didn't have enough immunity with the measles?
Do they need the whole all three again? Or can

(40:06):
they just get boosted with the measles. So I don't
think it's wrong to have individual shots, It's just I
don't think a parent is going to tolerate anymore. And
most parents are pretty overwhelmed, and unfortunately, some of that
overwhelmingness is translated into them either asking for waivers, not vaccinating,

(40:30):
or pulling their kids out of school. And I'm seeing
more and more kids homeschool and it's now at the
point where when I ask, you know, a parent, are
you going to need a note for school, they say,
my child's homeschool.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
I go, is your child vaccinated? They go, we don't vaccinate.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Now, I think homeschooling does provide a lot of good education,
But if parents are feeling the only way that they
could protect their kid from multiple vaccine side effects is,
you know, putting their kids at school, we need to
come up with something that makes people more you know,
comfortable and and.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
One the issue we need to do is have more transparency.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
You know, parents, you know it's I I vaccinated my kids,
but BOYD did I pray after every single injection because
it you know, at the two month mark, my son
was just lying on the on the blanket and the
just kind of listless and no fever, nothing, just wasn't

(41:27):
acting himself. And I was like, oh god, is this
a reaction to the shot?

Speaker 3 (41:30):
I mean, I had a.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Happy baby, you know, cooeen whatever, and now he's just
lying there and I'm like, is he lethargic? But his
eyes were open and thank god he came out of
that and he was and I'm not saying that was
from the vaccine. But even I as a parent, you know,
you and I've spoken to pediatrition, they've spoken to doctors.
They go, yeah, with my kid, I held my breath

(41:52):
when they were getting their shots, you know. And it's
it's because your job as a parent is you are
hoping you're making the right decision for me.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
I did not want to not protect my kid. I
did not want my kid getting polio.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
I did not want my kid getting diseases, especially since
I was around vulnerable.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
I was exposing them to disease.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Because I work as a doctor. So I felt better
that they were vaccinated. But the rates are going down.
And when you read these articles, they're all blaming Trump.
They're blaming you know, the anti vaxx RFK junior. No,
the rates have been going down for a while, and

(42:33):
and so what do we do now? You know, all
of these are important, and I know Trump made a
comment about hepatitis B. I actually delayed the hepatites B
vaccine on my child because he had such a five
days of labor and all that. I was like, let's
hold off and not give him his first nose at birth.
But then he was in daycare and another kid bit

(42:55):
his arm and broke skin, and I'm like, you're get
your hepatitis B shots and now, because again, he could
get hepatize B from.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Somebody at daycare. It's not just through sex.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Uh So if somebody got ampatized B from their mom
and now they bite your kid, they could give it
to them. So my kids got all their vaccines, and
I'm happy they did.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Although they did get uh.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
I believe they got chicken pox before they got their
verisilla because it was going around and again, you know,
when you're a doctor, you're exposed to everything, or they
got it after their first shot.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
I have to look back at that. So, uh, you know,
we we we need.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
To listen to parents and we need to have transparency
about you know, the benefits and the risks. But yeah,
the numbers are going down, and I hate to see
parents pull their kids out of school because they're they're
nervous about.

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