Do You Want Us To Put The Hammer Down? (The Greg Anderson Elysee & David Brame Interview)

Just when you thought we had hit you with enough heat for the week, we return with this exclusive interview with two of the best in the comic book world, Greg Anderson Elysee of Is'Nana The Were Spider fame, and David Brame the award winning artist extraorinaire with way too many credits to their name. Both of these legends have teamed up to create the new graphic novel series HAMMER. Hammer is a reinvention of the classic John Henry story as seen through the eyes of these revolutionary creators, but for more you gotta go ahead and press play.

Plus, Tatiana and Benhameen break down everything else going on in the world of geekdom, including thoughts on Squid Games, Superman, The Last Of Us and whatever is going on with Xbox and Perfect Dark? 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
What up in?

Speaker 2 (00:00):
And that's you are now watching four All Nerds And
on this episode we welcome Greg Day and David Brain.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
Creators of Hammer.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
We also talk about squad games, the Bear, Superman, and
a certain devil is he showing up in Secret Wars perhaps?

Speaker 1 (00:28):
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Speaker 2 (00:47):
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Speaker 3 (03:25):
Slas.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
I got questions. I'm just like wondering, like you know, why,
you know, I'm like Jadakin's over here, why.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
That's gonna be the that's gonna be the title, I
got questions.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, why you know, by the bush not down the towers,
you know, I gottnat know.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Oh yeah that was a good song though, but yeah, man, welcome.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Listen. Ironheart finale went down. If you have not.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Definitely watched our review of the final three episodes, we
actually of a and of course I hope of just
the first season even though this is a mini series.
But we were joined by Genesia f along with Chris Lambert.
Thank you both very much for your time and energy,
comedy and everything in between, because it was a fire review.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
I'm happy with, more than happy with the way it ended.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
And also the finale or the ending of iron Heart
actually closes out the end of the fifth phase of
the MCU.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah I didn't realize that. Yeah, yeah, that's dope that
they gave that, you know, a little credit to Ironheart.
And despite the haters, it's now positive certified fresh on
Rotten Tomatoes, including our reviews up there too, So I
mean we are part of you know, the legions over
there Rotten Tomatoes. So thank you very much for that honor.

(04:52):
And like we said, like Tatowna said, you can keep
our review right now on YouTube. We did the whole
last four or five six episodes and you can also
keep each individual episode review, so yeah, you know, we
got that for you. Yeah, and big things happened in
that you know finale. And you know my immediate question

(05:13):
because I was wondering, I did not see her name
Dominie Thorne when they did the whole chair announcement for Doomsday,
and I googled her name was not one of the chairs.
But she has hinted that she will show up in Doomsday,
and even Lady J had already said that there's more
names to come.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
And Ryan Coogler said in an interview or something with
Deadline that this this series has major implications into Doomsday.
So that's why I'm That's what I'm thinking, like, she
gotta be in it somehow.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
All right, now, this is something that I didn't say
on the review because I did mention that, and I, yeah,
this is now when this drops us to be well
over a week later or I mean close to week later,
So I can you know, spoilers if you haven't seen
I on her all right, and if you her head
has been stuck in a rock for the last seven
days or something, but spoilers out the way Mephisto appears

(06:08):
in the finale of Ironhart. And what I did not
say on our review is that I've mentioned that when
I was coming up, Mephisto appeared in a lot of
Silver Surfer coming to Stead. He's trying to get a
Silver Surfer soul because silver Surfer, you know, is that
pure paragon of good. And he was like, oh, I
I can corrupt this one. I get them all. But
another big Mephisto storyline that is always running is that Mephisto,

(06:32):
because he is the representation of Marvel's devil, has possession
of Doctor Doom's mother's soul. And that's something Doom has
always been trying to do, is to free her mother,
of his mother from this hell that she's trapped in.
And that's why Doom, because for those who know Doom
is like he's read Richard's and he's doctor Strange. Doom

(06:54):
is both a scientist and a magician, right, and he
learns magic because his mother was in the dark magic
and that's how our soul ends up getting trapped. And
so he learns magic enough hopes to free his mother's soul.
And that's like one of his big goals. It's like
list of I think three big things is prove I'm
better than read Richard's Free my Mother's Soul and take

(07:17):
over the world.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Talk about biggest hater, the biggest.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Because it's like before free my Mother's Soul from Hell,
it's prove I'm better.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
I'm a hater and I'm gonna show you why.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Like, no, he can't stand and that's one of the
things I love about him, Like he does not full punches.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
He's just like this nigga is not nicer than me.
Let me show you.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
I never see me. I can This nigga can't see me.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
That is his That is Dum's mantra. This nigga can't
see me. You niggas can't see me.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Doctor. Dude is Mamba mentality, he said Coach. He knows
like none of nigga shul ever see me. I can't
believe y'all even put this nigg on the court, yes,
not to make.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Him stand next to me. You know that meme. I
thrive off negativity, that is doctor.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
But the thing is he's like really super positive. You know,
like it's like you know, well, no like to Latviria.
You know that country is very well warn.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
The country that he's the king of yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Mean his own ship. Yes, because he believes I mean
and rightfully so he believes he can run the world
better than anyone else. And that's the funny thing right there,
right now, there's a come of the big summer series
for Marvel is One World Under Doom, where Doctor Doom
is taking over the world. He's running the world, not

(08:42):
like where he's you know, the king of the world.
Just where he's running the world and it's efficiently done.
Crime is gone down, crops is up, people, you know,
starvations out all the thing. There's no war, et cetera.
And so the heroes are sitting around like, yo, do
we knock him off? I mean, he's actually doing it
better than we did. And then the people were doing

(09:05):
And that's the thing. And it's funny because this is
a remake or I guess they're reboot, rehash whatever of
There was a graphic novel back in the day called
Emperor Doom and it was just one graphic novel. And
then the graphic novel, same thing happened. He takes over
the world, runs it better than them eventually, heroes. Dude,
because he's dude's using the Purple Man in that storyline
to broadcast like mind control over the world. Yeah, eventually

(09:29):
the heroes do come in. They end up killing the
Purple Man. They busted up, and is their flying home.
Is the Aventures are flying home. They're sitting there like, yo,
did we just do the right thing? You know, because
he was doing better? And they're like, I don't know,
And that's how the book ends.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
So damn, Okay.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
That's just amazing, Like it's such a great graphic novel.
I don't know this has been an end, but that
was such a great graphic novel because they busting they
killed this nigga, the Purple Man, you know, like I'm
sure he was doing bad, but they actually killed this man,
and then they fly home like I think, well, just.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Saying again, you know how you aspire to hate on
your ops, like Kendrick, I aspire to hate on my Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
So that being said, there's a good chance. I don't
I mean, I'm not sure if Fisto is going to
show up.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
I think you need him to, you don't need him to.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
I don't know if I mean, eventually he's going to
show up in the films, but I don't think you
need him.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
There's too much crazy shit already happening and.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Doom everybody survives Doomsday and super Wars. But then that
being said, I don't know, because you know, depending on
what version of Secret Wars they do, that's like the
big battle between Doom and Read and you know, I
don't know what. We'll get there, we'll get there. But yes,
I actually do believe that he could show up in
Doomsday or at least be mentioned. And I don't know.

(10:59):
I don't know what does Doomsday storyline thro be about.
I don't know how they're gonna introduce dooms.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
So it's like, which is because you know everything?

Speaker 1 (11:08):
No, I love it, but I'm just wondering, Like, so,
if they do introduce Doom off something like yo, I'm
trying to get my mom back, then Mephisto got to
be in it, you know, or better, if they introduce
Doom like I'm the biggest hater, then you know, Mefisto
doesn't necessarily need to be in it.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
I think either way, he don't necessarily need to be
in it.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Then drop the name, yeah, because now he's he's in
the MCU. There we go, yeah, yeah, and I need
to see I think we need to see Reread in Doomsday.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, it would be nice, but but listen, Ryan himself said,
is she deeply not involved, but the implications of her
will show up in Doomsday.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
So we're also seeing that whole Young Avengers Champions team.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, that's being formed through he which I love. You know, Zelma,
then you know who whatever's about to happen with the hood,
like there's something, there's stuff for me, and.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Then like you know, back on the other side, we
got America Chaves, we got Hawkeye. Look I funny, I'm
dead as I rewatched the multiverse man and as bad
they did my girl, it's not like a total butchering
where she can't come back from it.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
But I might be talking about that whether she's bat
I'm talking about is she existing as a character because
the way that like they just ignore her, like that
she was around and she's like an intechnrial piece to
fucking multi versal travel multi.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, well she might I think you remember that might
be you know, she might be play a bigger role
in you know, doom, say, Secret Wars, and that might
be their way of forming up the younger I can
remember we have Hawkeye and what's that they met? Didn't Hawk?
Who did she meet with that? Miss Marvel? Miss Marvel,
Matt Hawkeye?

Speaker 3 (12:55):
I think so young?

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Hawk young? Yeah so? And in the comments iron Heart
part of the Champions, which I think Miss Marvel is
two at one point, so that, you know, that seems
like I think by the you know, by Avengers Secret Wars,
they're gonna have just like how they try to do
with the women. You know, we thought we might get
a fours and we never did. Like I think we're

(13:17):
definitely gonna get you know, a team up of the
younger kids.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Isn't that crazy that Hailey Steinfeld is Kate Bishop. I mean,
especially after seeing her in Centers and now I was
just like, damn, you gotta.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Go back to that.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
I can't look at her the same, no moment.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
You even look at her same and you know she
she's I mean, she still looks you know, she's still
young or whatever, but like she is, she ain't.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
A teenager, no, but I see most of them aren't.
Like that's why it's not the young Champions, you know,
like because they can't even call them young Avengers.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
The only one as a kid really was Miss Marvel, like.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
And uh, Chef has seemed pretty.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Young and America Yeah, I know, like Iman Vaalani, she's
she was pretty young.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Oh, up in their twenties.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Now they're on their twenties now, you know, and up
the young Avengers was supposed to all be real teenagers.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
You know.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
I was like, that's like, yeah, the Karen Gillan run
is specifically about them turning into adults, into eighteen year olds,
you know. That's like the whole thing is like they're
their feeling can't affect them when they become eighteen. I
can' remember howat words, but it's about that, you know.
The whole thing is about the damage. Yeah about age.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah, okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
There has been that's just gonna go through these kind
of quick like. There's been a lot of.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
News for the TV specifically. I laughed at this.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Neil Druckman is done with the last of us, he says,
after this this season, being done or about to be overweight,
He's just like he ain't coming back. He got some
other he got better things to do at Naughty Dog,
with other games and stuff.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
He's done.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
I mean, I get it. There should only be like
one more season.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Right, I think, so out Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Know, like this season, but that season done. There should
be two more seasons. From what I understand, I thought
it was, well, he's involved with the next one, I think.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
And he said he barely. He has not done anything
really material.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
So he's takes he does announce that he's out.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Oh so he done? Now, so he done. So his
involvement is like what we've seen already or I didn't
see but.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Last but what has been already out?

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yes, yeah, so he's not he's not even in the
writer's room for the new one right now, Yeah, he said.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
I mean even if he did a little bit of
something he had said specifically it was a little clip
on from his ig or whatever, and he was just like, yeah,
I haven't done anything too material for season three. So
he said, this is probably the time for me to
go since I you know, since so it's not it's
not gonna be one of situations where you could tell
us two different writers or something like that, right.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah, okay, yeah that's smart. Yeah, well no, but from
what I understand, season three is not the last season.
It's definitely gonna go on for at least one more.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
So good luck to y'all, because I don't think I'll
be watching.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
I did not remember. Somebody left the comment they were
like they were surprised when I reviewed episode one, and
I was like, well, this is probably the last one,
and I did. I did review the first episode of
season two, and then I never watched another one and
I do not see myself doing it.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, I hope you all enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
This piece of news I found very interesting because I
had no idea. So James Gunn recently came out talked
in an interview where he was talking about how how
I feel, how a lot of people feel, how like
when it comes to Superman house like as he is
a kid, he can never get over he can never
do that suspension of disbelief when like Superman wears glasses
and all of a sudden he's Clark Kn't like no

(16:30):
one could recognize him.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
And I always thought that shit was stupid.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
But it's just like, ain't no way, nigga, like he
don't look that different. And he said even in the
movies when the actors put on the glasses, he said,
they ain't that they don't look that different, right, and
then he said that he was speaking to Tom King.
He was speaking of Tom King, comic book writer. You know,
we know the legendary Tom King. And Tom King actually
told him, you know, actually that's Cannon.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
That's comic book cannon.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Back in the day when swim men put on in
a glass is their hypno glasses and they kind of
hypnotize people. And said, thinking that he's some other guy,
Oh well, I didn't know that about Superman.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
I was like, I right, all right, let me tell
you something. There's like what they call the Golden Age
of DC comments, which I think is like, oh god,
DC is so long in the tooth. I think nineteen
thirties whatever, nineteen, like when he's the thirties, thirties, forties, fifties, sixties,
I think, because it's like in the seventies when DC
starts getting into like the realness, and in the eighties

(17:31):
that's when like dark Night returns and it gets really
you know wild. But like before that, DC was outrageous,
and Superman is one of them niggas who is completely outrageous.
It like like Grant Morrison, really he he loves to
harp and reflect and remix a lot or they sorry, Grant,
they love to do all that type of things, and

(17:54):
his Batman would do it when he did Batman like
he there's this there's an old issue that Batman where
for some reason he's telling but I have to have
multi colored Batman suits. So he has like a pink one,
a purple one, a blue one, a green one, and
so Morrison did something with that. But it was some
ridiculousness back in the day, like Superman. You know there's
one there's a famous issue with Superman where he turns

(18:14):
Lowis Lane black. That's what I'm saying into a black
woman or woman or Superman had a miniature version of himself.
That was one of his superpowers. A mini he could
throw a tiny Superman out of his hand. I reject that,
and that little tiny Superman could go around.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
And I didn't know this specifics like you're explaining, but
I always knew back in the day they had they
had wild powers for Superman because in the Christopher Reeves movie,
I don't remember it was like three or whatever number
it was, which movie it was, was, when he took
like he took it, I thought like, like not call yeah,

(18:56):
so he takes off the shield off his shirt and
it turns like a giant it's a cellophane and captures
the ops and they like and they and they captured
them into like you know, like.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Wrapped and wrapped up.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
And I'm like, who mind you? This is years after
the fact, right this we talked about two thousands. I'm
wanted to sitting there on TV. I'm like, cry, what
about that?

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah? But that's how it was. It was like too
rare would just have the weirdest like the writings were
on major drugs is the only thing that I could
think about, because like the one where he grows this
little nigga out of his head is the most disturbing
shit in the world.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Why would he have that power? Guys like that doesn't
like the cellophane. I'm like, I guess hepe ship. Yeah,
why why miniature you? What's going on?

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Why why do you Turn'slam black? And I remember Chico
put Chico shout out to Chico Lego. He put me
onto that one where he turns low Islam black. I
don't see she turned herself black or like, okay, now
this is something in the in the trailer for the
New Superman, we see uh Superman fighting a giant Kaiju. Yeah,

(20:07):
and there's a lot of time there's a lot of
rumors that that kaiju is Jimmy Olsen because in the comics, again,
especially in them old ones, and even in the All
Star Superman, which I was rereading because Dunn said that
the All Star is a big influence on the New Superman,
so I wanted to reread it before I saw it
in one of the issues of All Star Superman because

(20:29):
once again that's written by Grant Morrison, who loves history
of DC comments and all that there's an issue about
Jimmy Olsen, and in this issue, Jimmy is trying on
all kinds of outfits. He just it's Jimmy is super
weird and super out there throughout All Star Superman. But
one of the things back in the day and those
weird comics with Jimmy would turn in the Kaiju occasionally,

(20:53):
you know what I'm just because in the meels An issue,
he keeps doing this a day in the life of
and at one time he's a day in the life
of a caveman, you know, and he's actually a caveman.
And back in the you know, he goes back in
time to be a caveman. So that's how you know.
It was that kind of strangeness, and that's what All

(21:16):
Stars Superman really embraced, and that's what James Dunne seems
to be embracing. And that's why we have a kaju
fighting Superman in the middle of Metropolis because I think
and I think it is Jimmy Olsen transformed into a
kaju for some reason.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Guys, our review of Superman is coming. That's all I
got to say. Oh my god, thout.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Y'all don't understand, Like I wasn't like crazy hype for it.
We're gonna see. I was hype for it, We're gonna
I was because it's All Star super the James dunn
and the All Star Superman have Me influence had me hype.
But then rereading All Stars Superman and how ridiculous, how
like Silver Age I was talking about, like how it's

(21:55):
such a modern take on the Silver Age, and then
knowing James Done and how he loves that weird shit,
Like there's this one shot in the second trailer I
think it is when it's Lois Lane and she's in
some weird spaceship and she's like, let's go, and they're
flying off and I'm like, okay, this is on that
you know where Lois is going to figure out that
he's Superman early, because that's it. Yeah, that's an All

(22:16):
Star Superman. It's like the first issue it ends with
Superman revealing to Lois. Like you were saying, that was
That's something that Grant Morrison talked about. He's like, it's
not that people don't see that Clark should put it
on the lasses. It's a Superman's actor. So when he's Clark,
he's slumps, you know, he's bumbling, he's an oath so

(22:40):
it's like you would never believe that this guy could
be super And that's like you said, Reid does it.
It is fucking when when Reid's reveals to Lois said
he's su that he you know that he's Clark, I
mean that he's Superman and he takes off the glasses
in the front of her and shuts her up. It's
that same moment in All Stars Superman, and it's like
that I think if you know of Crown, crown, set,

(23:03):
con set, if he can pull that off.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, I mean he does say he does just off imagery.
He does look vastly different when he's Superman.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
When he's just sitting during.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, yeah, he has the he has the the He's
emoting very well.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
So we'll see how this goes.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
But yes, y'all, we are we will be seeing sw
Man soon, so stay tuned for that review. Just on
the TV front, I'm excited the Bear is back. I
actually watched one episode before. According tonight, it's back.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
It's back.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
I think we're off the art the art project that
was last season. I think we're back into ship that
that we fuck with.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
So first episode is real good.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
So I heard like the fourth is praisey, and I
heard the finale is really good.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Great, because right right now, I'm happy it's back to form.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
So if y'all felt the ways about.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Last season as did I, I think you're gonna feel
better coming into this. Uh, Squid Games in three is out.
This is a final season. I don't know if you've
been following.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
It at all, be I'm never never in my life.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Never like okay, and I understand why, but I've been following.
This has been a big thing to me. I'm still
mad because I think the nigga should have just went
and got his daughter at the end of the season
one and stopped fucking playing around.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
But here we are so on the.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Spirit Dame Vibe. Though the Running Man trailer dropped, did
you beat that?

Speaker 3 (24:22):
I heard about it, I didn't see it.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
It's okay. A couple of things. First, The Running Man
is based on the Stephen King novella It's not even
that No, it's it's a novella, It's not even that long,
and which was made into an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie in
the eighties. The Arnold Schwarzenegger movie is very campy, over
the top. Arnold, the old host of the Prices right

(24:46):
plays the villain. It's it's crazy, it's really it's hilarious.
It's one of Arnold's better movies. So I saw the
movie as a kid, like, Okay, let me go read
the book Mistake, because it is a Stephen King book
through and through, and it is it's one of the darkest,
most horrific. It's why I don't watch the Sport Game
and all that, because it's the originator. It's one of

(25:09):
the originator of all those. Like the main character has
to get into this contest because his wife and daughter
need medicine that he can't afford anymore, so he has
to get into the running Man game, which in the
book is what they're doing. It seems to be the
trailer for the book because it's done by Edgar Wright,

(25:29):
who did Baby Driver, Scott Pilgrim versus The World Right right,
So it seems to be a combination of both because
in the book, it's you get into this game and
then you're released into America and anyone who's watching the show,
which is millions of viewers, is looking for you for

(25:51):
and it's like thirty days you have to survive, you know,
while you're just running around, everyone is looking for you
and there's like specialty hunters trying to kill you. Which
so that's what it seems like the trailer is because
in the Arnot Schwarzenegger one, it was just Arnold fighting
all these like weird hunters, and it was more comedy
and hilarious. The book is none of that. It is
the dark. I don't want to spoil the ending because

(26:13):
the trailer seemed to hint that they might do the ending.
I honestly cannot believe this ain't even Infinity Warship. I
just can never see Hollywood ever do in the ending
of the book, it is no, they're doing a running Man.
I mean, you're not a running Man. The Long Mile
adaptation as well, that's another movie coming out to stink
Stevi King that has another horrifically dark ending, and I

(26:38):
think they're gonna do that with the with the the
Long Walk, not the Long Mile, the Long Walk that
ding of that book is. And I think they're actually
gonna do that because the trailer looked like they're leaning
towards that, while this leans towards more a big campy
but a bit serious. So we'll see. Who knows. But
I really like the trailer. It looks really good. I
love Edgar Wright. Stratpogrim Versus the World on my favorite

(27:00):
films ever, and you know, one of the few films
to me that's almost as good as the book. So
you might pull it off here. I'm might for it,
and that that's my type spread games. That's probably the
only type of that I can ever watch.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, it's fair all right, y'all.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Make sure y'all stay tuned because we have an amazing
couple of special guests. We are talking with Greg Day
and David Brain creators of.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Hammer and when I tell you the hammer is laid
down in this interview.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
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Nerds and what's up, y'all?

Speaker 1 (28:37):
And welcome back to another fire episode of the For
All Nerds Show, and as always we have nothing but
the illustrious fire guests in the house. And tonight is
like no other because we welcome two living legends to
the spaceship tonight. Bred Day and David Brain are here today.
You know, creators extrayed in there. We're gonna let y'all tell,

(29:02):
you know, the audience all about them. But you know,
award winning, ward nominated all on shelves things of that nature.
You might have seen, you know, Greg flexing, you know
on Instagram and all that. You know, but they got
a few things going on that we need to talk
to them about tonight. So Greg, please let the audience
know who you are all that good stuff.

Speaker 6 (29:22):
My name is Greg Anderson Lese, resident flexer and your
color book writer. I am most known for writing is
None of the Worst Spider, which is the son of
a Nons to the Spider, where I incorporated a lot
of black spirituality, mythology, folklore just to showcase that we can.

Speaker 7 (29:44):
Do a lot of dope stuff.

Speaker 6 (29:46):
It's not just about European gods and fairy tales, so
on and so forth, and a lot of works tend to,
you know, focus a lot on Black culture.

Speaker 7 (29:55):
For the most part, and.

Speaker 6 (29:57):
I am currently writing Hammer with David Brain, and I
guess that segues into you, Yeah what.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
A men's and women's. Yeah, I'm the amazing David Brain.
That's how you can find me pretty much anywhere, like
if you just google that, I'm the I'm artist and
illustrator of Safe Passage after the Ring most recently like

(30:31):
parable of the talents and of course Hammer. So yeah,
that's me very good.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Also an Eisner Award nominated artist, right.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
Yeah, I mean I've gotten a lot of awards. I
just forget which ones.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
A lot of awards. I mean GLAD awards, you know,
American Library Association Awards, Greg getting.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Glyph Awards, Like it's just so many.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
It's just like you know, telling them out there.

Speaker 7 (31:03):
But I love it. I love it.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Must be nice, you know.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, well, welcome to the fall Nerd. Sure, welcome to
the spaceship tonight.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
We're here.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
You know, like you said, you know, both of you
have done a lot of things, but you have an
upcoming book coming out together Hammer, m m hm. The
Hammer is being dropped. You got to kick started going
on right now, so uh, we got both had the
chance to read the first issue of Hammer and what like,

(31:35):
First off, it seems to be I mean that seems
to be. It is a retelling, a re imagining of
the John Henry classic story, which for those who know,
which is pretty much everybody in the world. You know,
John Henry had to fight against the train, and I
think in the original version he don't make it right.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
He sacrificed himself for some shit, right.

Speaker 7 (31:55):
He wins, but he does he does?

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah right, Yeah, that's got h Yeah, even in the folk,
you know, like even in our fold tales, we got.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
To Yeah, so whe's my job to do this retailing
to bring back the black folk.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
He role of John Henry.

Speaker 7 (32:15):
Funny enough, I've this is probably like nine eight nine
years in the making. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (32:22):
So I initially wrote Hammer not too long after volume
one of is Nana, so that that's about to be
ten years since yea. And originally I had Tim Fielder
as the artist, but he ended up, you know, getting
caught up in all these other yeah boats and I
was crazy, crazy, happy fan. But since then I just

(32:44):
got very busy with is Nana in other books, and
every now and then I would just remember Hammer, and
I ended up sort of we working it in order
to fit as Nana. So if you read Ballots of
Three and raw Head, you see that that same concept
of John Henry being transported into a post apocalyptic world

(33:06):
and facing you know, machines and so on and so forth.
And I think I was going to keep it at that,
but then it was just like yo, I wrote like
hundreds of pages of.

Speaker 7 (33:17):
Hammer and I'm not doing anything with it.

Speaker 6 (33:19):
So when I was launching my Patreon, I was like,
what would be a cool sort of tier? And I
was like, why not turn this into a webcomic? And
David I've worked with David at this point for like
bro Man long we worked with was it like seven
maybe seven eight years?

Speaker 4 (33:38):
Now? Eight years? I like, uh, you know, I was.
I saw him on the internet and then I tried
to like boo him as much as I could. I
was placing him as much as I could, just like, oh, yeah,
you got the best writing you got, Like I love
this stuff. It's so dope, and uh yeah, and it worked, Yeah,

(34:01):
it wor I got that risk, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (34:04):
Of course, of.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Course, and you know it's very interesting you said that
it's like seven eight maybe going on nine years and
then making I think that's that that tends to be
the case with a lot of projects in general, Like
a lot of people don't realize, like by the time
you see a film or TV show, it's been two
three years past the fact, right, and then the people
come back there they're talking about it and doing interviews
about it.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Sometimes they could get jaded.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Do you still do you feel like the same level
of passion and excitement for Hammer as you did all
them years ago or is it just a different feeling now.

Speaker 6 (34:34):
I definitely like it's it's uh, I get more excited.
I think the reason a lot of that excitement comes
from David's drawings.

Speaker 7 (34:44):
Honestly, it's one thing to be excited as I'm writing it.

Speaker 6 (34:49):
And I'll be honest, I'm not one of those people
who beat themselves up about their writing and are like.

Speaker 7 (34:54):
Oh my god, my work solah blah blah blah.

Speaker 6 (34:56):
Like I actually have fun reading my own work, and
I use that to gauge if I feel like my
book is good or not. And usually the stuff that
makes me laugh as I'm writing it at things that
makes me emotional, I end up realizing for my readers,
it's the same scenes, you know, So if it could
impact me that particular way, then I usually feel like

(35:17):
I'm on the white path with this story. It's one
thing writing it and then seeing the way David interprets
those writings and it's just like, wow, what the fuck
are you doing? This should just it gets me very excited,
And some scenes I imagine, like the way he would
illustrate it will be almost exact, or sometimes it's even
better than I imagine, or where I totally forgot what

(35:39):
the hell I was imagining, you know, so it's like
that ends up wiping clean what I had in mind.
So each time that he was giving me a new
page every week, it was just like braw, this is like,
you know, I'm rejuvenated with this story. So we already
finished the Act one. I'm excited to do act too.
But how David is always working on something, I'm like, nigga,

(36:03):
I'm gonna give you a fucking break, bro.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
And Dave, I got to ask you the same, like
when you see your art after the fact, right, like
like you you interpreted Greg's words and you created this
approach to it, Like do you think do you ever
have that feeling like oh, why did I do it
that way or do you go, Nah, that was brilliant
when I did it.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
I'm assuming it's gonna be the latter, since.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
You know, it's like a little bit of both. I mean,
like I said, like, I'm my artist for I'm trying
to like impress Greg, Like that's the that's the goal.
I impressed myself at the same time, you know, So
it's very much the same as Greg. Like if I

(36:46):
draw something and I laugh after I draw it, If
I like do something and I'm like, oh, that shit's brutal,
you know, like that's like that's crazy, then I you know,
I have that same feeling of like, I know the
audience is really gonna enjoy like what we're doing, and
you know, it gets me hype every time I get

(37:08):
to do another page or I read another page, because
you know, also the way I develop it is I
do a page at a time. I'm not like usually
doing it in big like chunks. So for me, it's
like a weekly comic in the same way that you
know everybody else is in the Patreon. It's like connected.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know you mentioned real quick Ben,
you mentioned the audience. David, what who were you thinking
of when you when you wrote this, Greg, when you
were as you were making your art, David, who were
you guys thinking of as the honest who would be
reading this when the story came to fruition and when
the art came truition as well, the niggas.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
That's real tell me more.

Speaker 6 (37:55):
I honestly, I feel when it comes to my work,
I come from the school of to Morrison. To be
honest with you, she was very much about my writing
is for black folk, and if you end up not
being black folks and you end up checking it out
and enjoying it, cool, and so that's always been my
main priority is black folks when it comes to the audists,

(38:16):
and also stuff that I want to see, you know,
I do wanted to see a lot more black folks
as the main characters inspectative fiction as well as black
we're folk and all types of just black folk in
general and anything. And so I was like, yo, I'll
be the one to produce it if I have to.

(38:37):
And so getting more into this business and finding more
like minded individuals, you know, people like it and stuff,
It's like, Okay, there's there's a pal of us out
there that we can do this thing, so first and foremost,
everything I write will always be for my black audience.

Speaker 7 (38:57):
That's what's that.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
That's all right, Greg. I was seeing that when we
were looking into your history and stuff, that you've done
some film. I'm not done some, but you've done a
lot of filmmaking teaching, and you talk filmmaking and documentary
style filmmaking and a lot of other things.

Speaker 7 (39:14):
Yeah, I went to I went to school for film.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
I went to school.

Speaker 6 (39:21):
I went to book the College, Okay, and they have
a dope, really really great film program. I think they're
very underrated in terms of how do I say a
reputation because I feel like people think about like tis
to think about SVA, but now Brooklyn College, like they
are hardcore when it comes to the film department, you know.

(39:43):
And I got into film, I'd say about like middle school,
high school, and I knew like I wanted to be
a director.

Speaker 7 (39:52):
That's that's the thing I wanted to do.

Speaker 6 (39:53):
I wanted to write stories, plays, scripts, and I was
into theater as well. But I think over time, as
I got older, I think my comic writing just started
taking over in terms of precedents of what I was
focusing on I still definitely want to get back into
the film world if possible. But in the meantime, I've

(40:16):
been teaching it for the past or twelve years nice,
and so that's been that's been pretty cool. And sometimes
seeing former students of mine, you know, still doing something
film related, I'm just.

Speaker 7 (40:27):
Like, oh, dope, you know, you know.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
Well, No.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
My question was in relation to that, is that when
it comes to writing your scripts, are you more because
like when I started writing Hindricks, that was one of
my first time actually writing comic scripts, and so my
writing partner, Mellow, had a whole different He's also, you know,
a film writer and everything before comics. We wrote it

(40:52):
in a different format than we would a film script.
So when you're writing comic scripts, are you writing in
own script format? Are you writing and we wrote more
like a panel description, you know, and then characters, Yeah, dialogue.

Speaker 7 (41:10):
I definitely write it in all comic format.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (41:13):
My mind is when it comes to comics, My mind
is on comics. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
And it's interesting though, because like this is my first
exposure to comic scripts, and I'm learning that people don't
have a standard. Like I tell people, if you read
a film script, it's the same anything, same everything technique. Yeah,
I mean, same, same spacing every time. It's a standard.
It has to be or people don't even read it.
But with comic scripts, I've read you know, people with scripts,

(41:39):
and everybody's looks completely different. So is that where where
you're at with yours? Are you and working with David?
Are you more of a like the Marvel method where
you just say this is what happens in the scene
and then filling the words later.

Speaker 6 (41:55):
So I it really depends on the project when it
comes to David. Honestly, with one that I work with,
I have a very standard comic script. I will open
up the page what's going on in the scene, with
the panels, all the descriptions and so on and so forth.
And I still do that with David as well. But
there will be moments where I literally would just message

(42:18):
David on Facebook and be like, bro, I want to
do this, this, this, this, this. They'll be like no,
no panel descriptions, nothing, They'll be on lines and this
mother fold will literally draw exactly what I had in mind.

Speaker 7 (42:32):
I'm like, bh, yes, wow, exactly it, you know.

Speaker 6 (42:36):
And He's he's the type of artist where I almost
don't really need to go too much into like pacings
and stuff like that. I can just say this is
what I want to do. This is the general concept
the story. This is the joke that I want to hit,
and this motherfucker will do it. And I feel like
we there's like the synergy between us when it comes
out that I know not to be really worried. I

(42:58):
don't need to like sort of his hand and spool
feeling when it comes to am I ready.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
Yeah, Like we connect like amazingly. I think it just
happens that, you know, we like a lot of the
same stuff. We come from side kind of like the
uh you know, similar level, similar level of like education
and like just like dope shit we're into. So it

(43:25):
makes it much easier, you know, to just like kind
of riff on everything. You know. It's like it's it's
all jazz to us, you.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Know, mhm, all right. And David, this was like, as
far as I know, this was some of our first
time seeing you know, your work and comic books. So
who were some of your inspirations growing up and even now?

Speaker 4 (43:48):
I mean honestly, like I got into comics because of
playing with toys Like that was like where it started
like I just wanted to tell those stories over and over.
But then you know, it happens like somebody, somebody gets
mad at you or like you know, bullies you. So
you're just like, oh, I got the toys awake, but
I gotta make this like look cool. But I mean
from there, it's like, you know, it's been like Sunday

(44:09):
funnies like Bill Watterson, and then.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
That's crazy that I can definitely see. Yeah, I mean,
you know Waterson is just yeah, God.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
He's he's incredible, like his his his use of ink
in his backgrounds and like there's little touches of detail,
but also there's just like sort of like life and
energy to the to the way that he makes his work.
And but yeah, from there, you know, I just got
into like a lot of manga, and I got an

(44:41):
to a lot of like, uh you know, I think
every like nineties kid like you know, love that image stuff.
So like I was like into like young Blood and
uh you know, Grindle and things like that.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
That's those are That's that's two different in streams there.
Like you say image and I'm like, you know Robin Field, Okay,
I mean I wasn't at Farland like fanatic you know
from and yeah, ron Lim and we'll see and all
of them. But Brendle is like, that's that whole other
dark ship right there. That was that Like, Yo, that's that.

(45:17):
That's that nerd nerd comic ship right there. Like, I mean,
I liked I only read a couple of Grendel, but
it's funny. One of the characters and Hindrix, their look
is is like a black version of I think her
name is Hunter Rose. I didn't I didn't know her name.
I had to google her for the art description, but yeah,

(45:38):
she runned a character from Grendel, so definitely that inspiration there.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Yeah, so just getting into Hammer a bit. I know, Ben,
I mean and I both really love the art.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
Like it's very like I don't know how art is
descriptive as well.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
It's very descriptive, but then also horrific at times because
it's things happening, right, It's a horrific setting.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
There are just the wild stuf happen.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
I don't want to give it away for people who
want to read it, but you know, in the moments
that it got horrific, it was also just like you
can't stop, you can't look away from it and it's
still compelling. And then like that introduction of the adversary
for example, that that was absolutely a moment where it
was just like wow, you know who came up with that?

Speaker 7 (46:28):
Right, Like.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
I can't lie. I was like, yeah, that was some
horrific Yeah, like this is yeah, he came in with that,
you know, some energy.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
I have to ask just like do you ever was
there a point where as you were drawing out these
these panels and you're looking at this like this is
too much? Or did you just kept saying push, we
need to do more, Like how did you how did you?
Did you even curb yourself or it was just like nah,
just go no, there's.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
No there's no curving at all. You know, it's a
It's always like the I always want to scare myself,
Like I mean, I'm a lover of woor and so
like if I can scare myself or make something that
makes me, I guess, feel something, then I know the
audience is going to feel it ten times more so.
I Mean we even had a lot with me and

(47:21):
Greg have had a lot of conversations where he's just like, uh,
you know, He's like I show him something, and then
I think, maybe I can make it creepier, maybe I
can make it more brutal. Maybe I can you know,
just add something a little more to you know. So
he's already sort of super level of brilliance, you know,
I just want to you know, add a little bit

(47:42):
more spice to to whatever he's already there. So I'm
always like telling myself to to push it, you know,
And like I had just finished doing parable of the talents,
and that's just like like I mean, if you read
any Octavia, like yeah, like once you can get through
that level of brutality and realism, and you know, like

(48:08):
this fantasy world kind of is like a is a relief,
you know, it's it becomes in a way more cartoonish
than like sort of the reality that the Octavia like
uh creates. So I'm you know, I'm always like looking
for that next level of you know, craziness.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
And as you're looking for your levels of crazy, how
how fast are you pushing out these panels? Like are
you the type that you you need like a week
on something or just like this stuff is coming out
twenty minutes, Like what are we talking about here?

Speaker 4 (48:42):
Twenty minutes?

Speaker 7 (48:43):
Yeah, Wow.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
I'm like, I mean there's a there's a lot of like,
you know, I've been I mean, I guess I could
say I've been doing it for forty three years, right, Like,
I mean it took me forty three years to get
to this point where I can like push out a
page in a few hours. I have to not a
couple of minutes.

Speaker 8 (49:02):
But you.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
Yeah, but it's uh, you know, like you develop a
workflow and you know, develop a you know, like sort
of a system of kW to like you know, just
create and be artistic and uh so it's not like

(49:24):
it's not a painstaking like process for me. It's a
it's actually yeah, it's like it's like a relief. It's
like a relaxing moment to be able to to just
like push out these lines and create with like no boundaries.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
It's awesome.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Question what was the language that's used on the first
page and then sprinkled throughout the book? It's multiple languages, Okay.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
I figured like because some amalgamation and things. I was like,
is that you're but then looks like it could be
some creole in there, and I'm like, well, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (49:56):
There was a lot going on.

Speaker 7 (49:59):
Each one of them.

Speaker 6 (50:00):
Each verse that you see on the first page is
a different lullaby from Black culture, okay. And so for
that for the people, even if they were to try
to translate it, I like, I like to do a
little bit give people a little bit of work when
it comes to my stories, because even when I introduce

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a lot of spiritual characters from different Black cultures, I'm
not going to spell out where they're from or who
they are exactly Like. You'll get the names, and you'll
get their personalities and a little bit of their backgrounds
just based off of their visuals. But I usually want
people to do a bit of research and be like, where,
where exactly is this fun? And so I was doing

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some research on different types of lallabas of different African cultures,
and I was just like, yo, this because it's supposed
to be a very black, effrocentric story, I thought.

Speaker 7 (50:57):
You know, it won't be. It's going to represent many
different cultures and not just one.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Another thing I really enjoyed in the book is just
the general themes of revolution, because that's something i'm, you know,
pretty much put in anything I write. And I know, Greg,
a lot of your stuff has that same feeling in
different ways, and this is more of a like up front,
you know, straight up. You know, people are fighting a
revolutionary war against evil AI robots and cyborgs. So what

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made you want to go this route, especially with the
AI and like the ideas that we're going around with
AI right now in our own culture and society.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Yeah, the AIS are the oppressors here, so in more
ways than one.

Speaker 6 (51:39):
Well, I mean I think I got I guess I
got lucky with the AI sort of becoming one of
because of the said I wrote this almost ten years ago,
years ago, so I was like, b like, this shit
is actually happening now for real, you know. But like
when I was coming up with the general story, I
think it was just a way of trying to modelize,

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modernized just the original theme of John Henry versus the machine.
And so it's just so happens that now the machine
is artificial intelligence, right, And so I think it only
made sense for it to be what it is as
I'm you know, creating this new version of John Henry.

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So it's like, if it's not it's no longer the
steam drill, what is the next step that it's trying
to remove human beings from their labor, and that is
all the AI that we're seeing that we're fighting against.

Speaker 7 (52:33):
A lot of his artists are fighting against and unfortunately
a lot of people.

Speaker 6 (52:36):
Are like, oh, you know, but this is the way
to go, and the way to go is what will
eventually end up being what kills us, just like how
John Henry died trying to fight against it.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Why is it always babies with black people, like baby AI,
you know, like whenever it's like, you know, it's always
babies with us. It's always like little kids and babies.

Speaker 6 (52:59):
You know in them.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
No, like it's like, you know, like they have the
little girls now eating stuff and smacking and making little
fun or then like they baby fire old shows. It
feels very intentional, man, feels very like, let's make y'all black,
you know, y'all y'all.

Speaker 6 (53:20):
Well, I mean they say, what like, black folks are
some of the biggest consumers when it comes to you know,
media for the most part, and I feel painting a
lot of that whole. The babies and black babies. You know,
that's a way to try to appeal to our sensibilities,
you know, to cute kids, love your kids. We love babies,

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we want to pinch. And now we're like, oh a
I is doing this, maybe I can do my own
thing with.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Yeah, damn it, you're right. But I was like, why
why is it always? You know, because I saw like
a bunch of shows like they had like the wire,
you know, and it's like baby's doing the wire, you know,
baby's doing whatever. You can imagine. It's always black shows though,
And I'm like, damn, are you right? What did you say? Like,

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damn it?

Speaker 7 (54:15):
Black folks.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Now, one thing I did have to say about or
asked about Hammer is yes, there's a lot of hammer
in Hammer. Yeah, you know it's in hammer.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Whose idea was that, Daisy?

Speaker 1 (54:36):
I mean, I get it, my man. You know it's dude.
But it didn't have to be the waist down.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
No, but and and listen, it's like on a equality scale,
my great, thank you for the full front on the
mail side of things.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Appreciate you. There's a lot. So what's that about?

Speaker 1 (54:57):
More is the one?

Speaker 4 (54:59):
All? Right? When I was an undergrad, there was this, uh,
this older black dude's name is Joe Brooks. I don't
know who he's at right now, but like he like
gave me his like his rules for for drawing, and
one of them was like he spent thirty minutes just
being like, you got to have a big package. You

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always got to throw a big package and everything. And
I've always i mean, I was like, like it's been
I've been like, yeah, just just just throw a big,
big old ham and that hammer all. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
I mean I was reading. I was just like, oh,
that's an appendage.

Speaker 7 (55:38):
It was pretty meaty right in those panels. Wagon you
can see the air just swinging.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
That was like, he's close to the earth for sure.

Speaker 5 (55:53):
Yeah, I'm blessed.

Speaker 6 (55:56):
I was also I wanted to be also intentional with
the new because I always find it to be very
interesting that we can.

Speaker 7 (56:04):
Read and watch so much violence, Like we literally consume
violence that we think is totally cool. We grew up
with it. Yeah, we're watching even Disney movies are very
very violent.

Speaker 6 (56:17):
Anything to do with something as natural as nudity or
sex is just like, oh my god, you know, like
we look like tepically.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
In Western culture, Western American and Nie culture.

Speaker 7 (56:28):
Ye.

Speaker 6 (56:29):
So I think a part of that was also me
trying to do a commentary of just like it's just nudity,
it's just a dude, you know, and his his bare
soul everything about him and here he is. And also
I think it also shows the power that he has
because he doesn't need armor, he doesn't need anything like
this motherfucker is literally fighting with his hands completely in

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a bear, you know. And this is also him being born,
like we see him being born round, So doesn't make
sense to be completely covered up because it's as he's
born he gets attacked by these machines, right, So I
didn't feel like we needed to hide any of that.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
It was just like, man, yeah, the more you talk
about it, and I'm just the panels are flashing him
over my mind.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
I'm thinking more. I'm thinking of Wolverine. I'm getting that
hole just very just in your face, just from the earth,
like you said, the bare hands, things like that.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Yes, I understood, Like I see the it's not brutality,
I'm looking for it. It's it's it's a different type
of strength like you said, just just being so natural
and just coursing through him.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Like I understand why you made a decision on that
very are like, yeah, yeah, you should watch that film.
It's a very good film.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
Yeah. We were also trying to like de sexualize you know,
John Henry in a way or like nudity in a way.
So like if it's in your face all the time
on almost every panel, like you stop paying attention to
you know what it Dick's at, you know, like you
start playing attention to what's happening with like the storytelling,

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and you you stop, I mean, you get involved with it,
you know, you become a part of it. And it's
not like, oh, this is about a sexy muscly man
with a giant giant cop right right, this is just
a man of the earth and he's in this like
this crazy condition you know, and this like in this

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world that he doesn't really know what's going on and
he has to like you know, find his way through
this like postopopulyptic landscape. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Yeah, and you definitely feel that, you do, you feel.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
That moment of just like I'm I'm out here, it's raw,
is real, and I'm trying to just get it together.
Like you definitely get that understanding. And then as you
take the readers through the story, like what do you
want them to come away with at the end of
at least.

Speaker 9 (59:02):
Issue one.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Answers, Yeah, do.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
You want them to be like damn, I'm scared, or
like you know, or like, oh that was a lot,
Like is there something where you obviously you want them
to be compelled where they want more.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Right, That's that's obvious, right, But like, is there some
other thought you want to take away?

Speaker 2 (59:20):
I mean one of them was, like you mentioned, just
desexualizing him, right, like making people understand it's just nudity, right, Like,
I think that's a good first approach.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
But what else.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
I mean? For me, it's I mean, like the art
is always what I want people to take away, you know.
I I enjoy when people come to me and like
start talking about small details and like little things that
you know that I that I put in there, not
necessarily as Easter eggs, but things that like just I

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enjoy and I enjoyed the do And so when I
get like little messages like that or people, yeah, find
those minute little details, like that's what I kind of
want people to take from it, like I want them
to like well, as an artist, like when they tell
you in comic school you're you're not supposed to spend
too much time while you're looking at a page. You're

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just supposed to like scan it and read it and
then move forward, and I want people to like stare,
I want yeah, so what's going on here? And then
they start finding things and they find more and more
and more, and you know, I just want them to
have that like as like a little gift that they

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take with them, like and then, like like you said,
be compelled and want more, Like they want to read
it and buy it and support it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Well, the images are definitely burned in my brain because
I have never seen no shit like that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
What about you, Greg, Like, just from the storytelling perspective,
what do you want people to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
Come away with?

Speaker 6 (01:00:55):
I think, uh me in general is I want people
to come away with consciousness. You know, it's a it's
a very conscious story. It's very it's very black Black
consciousness as well, and so I hopefully would like it
to inspire people, you know, find out what else is

(01:01:16):
out there in terms of our cultures and our stories,
our legends and the creativity that you can also apply
to it. You know, I feel like I feel like
there's a lot we have a well of knowledge and
a well of stories from various various Black cultures, and
even if you're not going to use it for your
own stuff just to be inspired by it. And I

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feel like a lot of us are seeking in some form,
some form of validation when it comes to aspective fiction.
You know, a lot of people we always want to
be represented. You always want to see Marvel in DC
make black people and give it. It's just like, unless
it's a black folk who knows what they're they're doing,

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these characters ain't gonna really stand out honestly to.

Speaker 7 (01:02:02):
Us in particular. And I feel like having books like Hammer.

Speaker 6 (01:02:07):
Having stories like that, having artists like David, you know,
really showcase the talent that's out there, the stuff that
we can actually do. We have so much power, so
let's actually, you know, use those superpowers that we got.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Absolutely love that really great one last one. What like
length are we talking like? And what we read is
that at one? So like for those who are you know,
investing in this kitch start or how long of a
series are you thinking?

Speaker 7 (01:02:38):
So it will be this story will be three acts.

Speaker 6 (01:02:41):
Act two is already completely written out, but I might
update some pages, and Act three I have mostly in
my head.

Speaker 7 (01:02:52):
There's a couple of stuff that.

Speaker 6 (01:02:53):
I already started jotting down, but I think I want
to see how David does with Act two, and Act
two is is crazy, Like you're crazier, way, way, way.

Speaker 7 (01:03:08):
Crazier than Act one.

Speaker 6 (01:03:11):
So's there's gonna be there's gonna be new characters who's
gonna get involved as well. You're going to get more
development from the Resistant team that we meet very briefly.
It's definitely more development with John with Henry, and you know,
we're gonna see John and Bolt finally met because as
we're introducing the hero and the villain, they actually don't

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have an interaction at all. In this act Act two,
you'll get a little bit of that as well as
more of the annoying ass children.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
Oh my gosh, I don't like them and I love kids,
but not these.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
Not so much.

Speaker 6 (01:03:50):
Yeah, but I think I was speaking with David too
after this particular story. Actually, I want to go like
the Mad Maxwell, you know, where each story it's him
encountering a different set of characters, a different type of situation,
And so it will still be in the post apocalyptic
world of you know, the machines ruling, but it might

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be a completely different type of setting and uh, you know,
we'll see where it goes. But essentially we have the
three acts for this particular story. If it does well,
then we'll you know, do some sequels.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Mhm.

Speaker 7 (01:04:24):
What about you, David, what do you Where do you
want to go with it?

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
I mean I'm truly compelled by a lot of the
side characters, you know. I think I think John is
like kind of fleshed out if you want to that,
and like there's there's all these really interesting like just

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characters that like, uh like Grant created and developed, and
I as a both a reader and a creator, where
like I was like, I want to know more about
t I want to know about these like Marauder dudes
and that that whole group with like Chian, you know,
I I love those kids, and I want to know

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like where they come from. I want I want more
of their story, you know. And and I've always like
kind of felt like it could you know for me
it uh like when I read it, it gave me
like real deep like Robert E. Howard like Conan obs
and sort of this Uh, it could totally work as
like a you know, a story of the Week type

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of deal, you know, like where you just have this like, uh,
I don't know if you ever watched like the old
Hulk you know, from like the eighties or whatever, but
like it was uh, you know, they didn't really have
it was episodic, so they were just like the Hulk
was just doing this thing and then that he had
to wander a little bit more, you know. And so

(01:05:53):
I've always like I loved this idea of like this
wandering like character, you know, who's just a sort of
a brutal marauder. And like, you know, you get these
like these places and all these new areas and settings
that you can just like you can throw them in,

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you know, and you know, it happens, and it's like
this one story and then who moves on and you
don't really necessarily need to like have this like long,
lengthy like Marble or DC continuity. Like yeah, just like
good storytelling and really beautiful art and and people will
love it though, Like I think people connect to that

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that idea of just sort of being dropped into a
space and a setting and then it's there and then
it happens and it's done.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
And then yeah, the John Henry Rpig, I get it, Yeah,
get it exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
All right, Well, you have survived the interview portion of
for all nerds. But now it's time for the brat
segment or rapid fire questions. Are you ready, David said?

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
David said, she said no.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
I said yes, let's do it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
Let's do it. Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Let's see uh man or professor.

Speaker 7 (01:07:18):
X you know man?

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
That was?

Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
How dare you ask me such a ridiculous question type
of answer? Why do you feel that way?

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
Geez? You know with the purple suit, come on, get
out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Oh because it drip of the drip only Okay, that's
that's me. I ain't gonna hold you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
That's I mean, first has the cerebral helmet drip that
you know, that drip is pretty fires Yeah, yeah, I
mean that was something crazy with that. That that but
that's also like his only drip in like eighty years. Yes, o,
my god, the yellow chair is pretty dripp you know. Yeah?
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
All right, Wakanda or Zamunda.

Speaker 7 (01:08:06):
I'm sorry, that's a tough one, but I'm gonna go.
I'm gonna go with Combo. But that's pass.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
You say neither if you're not working with them, or
you gotta pick one.

Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
Zamunda all right?

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Uh storm or misty Night.

Speaker 7 (01:08:25):
I love myst Storm.

Speaker 4 (01:08:27):
Yeah, okay, yeah, we got that loves Her and okay,
I my my love had to connect with that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
Okay, your favorite anime and if you don't watch anime animation.

Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
Uh yeah, I'm currently rewatching it for like maybe thirte
or fourth time. It's called Kingdom. It's like a historical
like war epic. M you check it out. It's it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
If you like historical, I was sound about it or
the movements of the Earth. On the movements of the Earth.
M that ship is ill the first three episodes.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
I'm gonna try that out.

Speaker 9 (01:09:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
What about you, Greg? Favorite anime?

Speaker 7 (01:09:13):
I got a way ty? Yes, which is I Have
a Big Old.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Oh that's that's a sleeper classic. A lot of people
don't know about Big O.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
The Old School. You know about Big Okay, go ahead, My.

Speaker 7 (01:09:29):
Hero Academia and Cowboy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Yeah, nice.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Since we got some hard heads in here, Michael Myers,
Freddy or Jason Freddy.

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
Uh, I'm gonna go with Michael Myers.

Speaker 7 (01:09:47):
Yeah, that'd be my second pick though, yeah, close second.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
It really is the worst.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
I'm always my answer has always been Freddy because if
anybody get you in your fucking Dreams is nightmarish, you know,
always the one like.

Speaker 7 (01:10:04):
Jesus, Yeah, I feel like he's still untapped.

Speaker 6 (01:10:08):
Honestly, I feel as if, like the first one, the
first one was creepy as hell and the others could
have done more in terms of the imagination and creativity
that he can because you're in Dreams, so there's so
much things that you can do with that, And I
feel like they've never quite tapped into like the fantasy

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and crazy aspects that you can go with Freddie. And
I feel like they could have done it with the
remake because I'm like, Okay, now we have these crazy
special effects we can do right back to just rehashing
the first one.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
I'm like, Dream Warriors to me is that one. I
want to rewatch Dream Warriors, but that was my one
as a kid. But I feel like they never went
that level again after that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
If the powers that be were developing a story about
your life, would you want to see them turn it
into an album, a graphic novel, a game, or a
movie the story of your life?

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
And what format?

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
I wanted to be a tabletop RPG. They like D
and D, but Dave and D or whatever that's cute,
make better choices, maybe you'll get better roles.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
That's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
What about you, Greg, game, movie, graphic novel or album
like music album?

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
Shit?

Speaker 6 (01:11:42):
Honestly, I think I might either do graphic novel album
as I would like to see the different interpretations from
the artists who how they would depict me or how
they would make music based off of my life.

Speaker 4 (01:11:56):
M hm.

Speaker 7 (01:11:56):
So that I think will be like a very interesting
thing and one of my favorite things because.

Speaker 6 (01:12:04):
I've done a lot of life modeling and I've always
enjoyed seeing the different.

Speaker 7 (01:12:08):
Artist interpretation of me. I see what you're saying, favorite
thing to see. So I would I think it would
be interested to see what in comic format, like how
would that be.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Excellent?

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
All right? Who is your first geek crush and what
character were you geeking out on or loving?

Speaker 6 (01:12:27):
Let me Oh, I had a huge crush on Gina
Torres as Nebula on Hercules.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
I know Gina toys, but I did not know she
played a Nebula on She was on the old the.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
Ship that used to be on w B Hercules.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Yeah, yeah, deep, terrible, terrible, terrible.

Speaker 7 (01:12:53):
Terrible, but she was. She was on Hercules for a
couple of episodes. She was the oldest love interest, and
I think she was connected to.

Speaker 6 (01:13:04):
Tony Todd was her brother on the show Oh Wow,
being possessed by this like evil entity and she was
trying to stop him and everything like that.

Speaker 7 (01:13:13):
So I think she was one of the very first
like questions that I I had, and.

Speaker 6 (01:13:20):
I I can't think of many ilse honestly, I mean
the typical Halle Berry as a kid, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Matter what.

Speaker 9 (01:13:35):
Her look, cracking Vegas man pretty much, what about.

Speaker 4 (01:13:51):
Yeah. I wasn't allowed to like watch a lot of stuff.
My parents were very religious, so it could be you
know anything like there's like this Latino girl on the
show ghost Writer that I.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
Like, ghost Writer or ghost Writer.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
Writer, like as in what Greg does.

Speaker 7 (01:14:11):
Wow, that was a great show, man, I love that
on PBS.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:14:19):
Now, don't yeah, don't defund my my first true love.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
That man had to make it work. It was straighter.

Speaker 8 (01:14:29):
It is remember that that that the bubble Gum monster.
That bubble Gum Monster used to scared of Livid.

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
Practical effects were always the scariest.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
Oh yeah, yeah, it's scary because it's so terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Okay, there's two more questions, and any medium could be
a book, movie, comics.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
Even what character's death hurt you the most?

Speaker 7 (01:15:02):
I have I have three examples. I have three examples.

Speaker 6 (01:15:08):
So, and there was a David Hind Daredevil comic called
Daredevil Redemption. Okay, in it, uh, this boy, this young
man was framed. I can't remember exactly what he was
famed for, but Dared Devil had to defend him. He
had to go down south to defend him, and unfortunately

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he lost the case. And he lost the case, and
they put the boy in like a gas chamber about
to him, and he realized that Daredevil was Matt Murdoch,
given that he knew he had the senses. He literally
he whispers, Matt helped me. And because it's it's out

(01:15:55):
of his his his hands, he can't do anything, but
you know, be there to see him get executed. I
remember reading that. I'm like, I get I'm getting chills now,
just like remember that cream like that. I remember I
had to like I close it and take a breathing
and I was just like, what the fuck did I
just read? And he also imagined, you know, like Mad

(01:16:17):
dressing up as Devil coming and help him and save him,
you know. So that was like a really touching scene.
Another one is Arange just a New Black, when they.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
Oh who many you mention that that was such a
buried emotion that was back.

Speaker 7 (01:16:37):
I had to stop watching for a little bit because that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
Just stop watching the show after that because I was like,
how dare you?

Speaker 7 (01:16:43):
And then Pete Valley when the situation with Teak in
the car that that destoryed.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
Me, I didn't have that far. Ye, it's great, I know,
it's great. I'm like, I watched the pilot, and I
watched the first of the like most of the first season,
and then I would catch it randomly and just catch
random episodes here and there. So I don't, you know,
I didn't know, like, yeah, I'm not sure if I
saw that with the car. No, I don't think I did.

Speaker 7 (01:17:11):
Yeah, that's in the season two, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:17:13):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
I I called back in later on when I was
watching it because remember saying town. I was like, yeah,
I turned on one episode and all this shit happened.
I was like, what the this show is outrageous.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
It's outrageous.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
This is why I so uh and just great to
you any any medium, any character's death that hurt you deeper.

Speaker 10 (01:17:31):
Sorry, Yeah, David omar Little was probably the maybe the
only death that I've ever I've been like actually broken
up on because I was like, like I loved that
character so much.

Speaker 4 (01:17:47):
I was like I felt seen and then like this
dude like yeah it was, yeah, that one. That one hurt.
But usually I'm like yeah it was. I was never
really like broken up about characters. I was always saw
it as picture so I was just like, yeah, there
we go, but.

Speaker 5 (01:18:09):
That tracks.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
As a fan of horror and a fan of scaring people,
was like, well, you're dead now and close the book
and keep going.

Speaker 7 (01:18:14):
The next.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
I tell us O my story to like. I think
it was the second time because I was watching on
DVD and I've already seen it. I knew my man died,
and when he got shot, I sat there eywound the
DVD like, nah, if I just rewinded that you're.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
Gonna we're just gonna stop at season two and that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
It will give me a different scene. Oh my gosh.
All right, well you have survived, rap, you survived. The
interview said it. Please let the internets and the fans
sam out there and know where they can find you.
At uh so.

Speaker 6 (01:18:58):
On I J you could find me as Greg Day
as g O E G D A E. On Twitter
you can find me as Greg and least a E
L y see. You could also Google me. You'll probably
see my web store show up and my Patreon. You
just type in my name and that'll show up. Be very.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
One. Fair warning.

Speaker 6 (01:19:23):
If you are on my I G you might get
a lot of what people so calls.

Speaker 7 (01:19:30):
I don't have. I don't have the hammer that John
Hender has, unfortunately, but.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
It's made too much information. The what about.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
Where is the kickstarter?

Speaker 5 (01:19:46):
Greg?

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Where? What about the kickstarter?

Speaker 7 (01:19:49):
Yeah, we got the kickstarter.

Speaker 6 (01:19:50):
If you go to Google or go to the kickstarter exactly,
you can just type in hammer and John Henry pop up.

Speaker 7 (01:19:59):
And we are currently right now at what are we like?

Speaker 6 (01:20:04):
Sixty percent? Okay, that's yeah, so but it's kickstarters. Is
nerve wrecking man?

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
I I.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
When the close kicksoutter end? How much we got to go?

Speaker 6 (01:20:17):
As of today, it's currently at sixteen so we've got
sixteen days left halfway okay, and please help us, help us,
please where I can breathe a little bit?

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
Wow, okay, David, onto you where can people find you
in your projects?

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
Yeah, you can just google the amazing David Brain and
you'll see Montmar there. And I'm on the Blue Sky
as the amazing David Brain. And I don't have like
I just got off the other social media apps and
stuff like that, but yeah, me on Blue Sky.

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