Fantastic Four: First Steps Brings Hope Back To The Theaters!!! (No Spoiler Review)

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're back. It ain't no more cloud. We back. We
out here. No more evil cloud, No more evil cloud.
We out here. We are a force. We are here

(00:24):
and what's up y'all? Welcome to another episode of the
four All Nerds Show. It's your boy, DJ Fin I
mean a k A Fin Trim aka to Flee, Weed
Richards stay woke King Here in the Spaceship Tonight, and
as always, I'm joined.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
By Tatiana King d Grand that is the Tech also
known as the Coldest Winter Soldier Ever, Doc Ay, Tessa
Rak Thompson Facts the Destroyer, Tatiana Kang the Conqueror, and Lawandavision.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
There we go.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Was you heard by my very specific aka's Ben Trim
here in the Spaceship Tonight, Weed Richard's No, the.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
Other one got That's why I shook my head about.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Uh the fling oh the fleet? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah, you know, Ben Trim. You know I got to
get some of that true. Oh good sir, Fling. Here
we are in the spaceship. Back to review Fantastic Foe
First Steps in theaters.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
This Friday, directed by Matt Did I get that right?
Or no? I didn't get that right? Right? Yeah? Directed
by Matt, you're.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Not getting right our first thirty seconds because gee, Louise,
the language.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Oh language, that'll all be bleeped. You know what I mean?
Bit shot I saw Matt Schachman is the director.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yees bit shout us to our editor extraordinary, mister Luna,
thank you for saving us.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
But Matt Schatman directs Fantastic Four First Steps in theaters
this Friday, yes.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
Right, Friday, July twenty fifth.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
I've lost back of time. You know, that's another story
that we'll get back to in another day. Today we
are here the review this movie. No spoilers, of course,
not a word. I mean really, honestly, there's not much
too spoil I will say.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
That that Disney didn't spoil a round.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, I guess off area. You can tell me what
was that in the last trailer that you said beforehand,
because I didn't tell you after. Okay, cool, because I
definitely didn't see that last trailer, so I didn't know
whatever was spoiled. But you know, you know most of
this film. This is the introduction of the Fantastic Four
that we all know and love. Read Richard's Susan Storm

(02:39):
Johnny Storm Ben Grimm, and they are fighting Galactus, who
is invading their Earth because they are not on the
same Earth six one sixth that we know and love.
This is an alternate Earth that you know in the multiverse,
of course, and it takes place in the nineteen sixties
version of their Earth, where the fans Test four have

(03:00):
been operating for a few years at this point, and
their technology and read Richard's, especially.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
His genius, has.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Pervaded through all levels of society of this Earth. So
they're flying cars, things of that nature. You know, it's
a little more science fiction, but still nineteen sixties vibe
and off top. I want to give a real shout
out to Matt and the whole production design of everything,
because it really felt like you were in that vibe.

(03:30):
I remember beforehand, I was comparing it to like Dick
Tracy and how Superman Metropolis kind of has that same
vibe and it's.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Trying to it goes beyond.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, Superman's Metropolis I'm talking about the most recent Superman
is a little bit more of a nineteen thirties, nineteen
forties Art Deco style, while this is definitely more like
nineteen sixties New York, you know, like New York and
then yeah, with the Fantastic Four thrown into it.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
It's retro futuristic.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
From like you said, from that standpoint of Fantastic four
in their version of Earth, and it is it's transformative
and that it really takes you to another place, like
you do not feel like you're on the Earth six
one six, whatever the Earth is, because that's the that's
been up for.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Debate again about whether or not we've been in sixty
one six.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
But that notwithstanding, you do feel like you're you are
on a different timeline of Earth.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
You do feel like you're in a different place.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
And that's like one of the many refreshing things about
Fantastic four.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Five.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Was it Fantastic four first Steps?

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah, that's the distinct We're back. It ain't no more
Cloud were back.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
We out here, No more evil Cloud. No we're evil Cloud.
We out here. We are a force. We are you.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
Know that's a distinguished right, oh, all the other ones?

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, basically what you want to call it first steps?

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Okay, and you mentioned it just how you have this
whole story of who the Fantastic Four is. And yes,
it's been done millions, it's been done like five times
over in the last twenty years. But there is, as
we know, there is a new generation of people who
do not know who they are and do not have
the backstory, and this still gives you the story of

(05:17):
how they came to be. It fast forwards through a
lot of that and then gives you right into the
heart and depth of it.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
M I want to say that that was one of
my things. I've been talking about this a lot on
our reviews. Is the Usually for me, it's the first
fifteen minutes of a movie. If it doesn't catch me,
if I'm like, damn, I want to fast forward this
first fifteen minutes, and that time I see this movie,
I probably don't want to see the rest of the movie.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Because it's just oh yeah, yeah, I just know that,
you know.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
It's when those first fifteen minutes aren't like, okay, I
would watch this again, then usually the rest of the
movie doesn't work for me either. And that's pretty tried
and true for especially the last few reviews.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
That's been my gauge.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Now I don't like the first fifteen minutes, I'm probably
not gonna like the.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Rest of the movie.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
There'll be scenes and things of that nature that I'll
watch again a whole movie.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
I'm just like, Nah, that's not gonna work right.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Away with that approach, because you have to commit, Like
a movie is not like a show where you could
just turn off.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yet you could just walk out the theater shore.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
But it's just like I committed two hours or whatever,
how well the film is, and just to be like, damn,
I got to sit here for the rest of this absolutely, or.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Even if it's like there are scenes in it like
the most recent mission impossible.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
I remember fifteen minutes on that. I was like, He's like,
this ain't it. This ain't it? And then there are
scenes that I can't wait to see you. But as
far as watching that whole movie ever again, ain't nowhere right.
I turned to you about ten minutes into this and
I was like, Yo, they got me.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
They got it, ladies and gentlemen, we got them right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
One point I wanted to add, just when you were
explaining the just the from the basic terms of just
how this world is built and how it is presented
to us and this is the real to me, this
is a very important point. Not only is this an
alternate earth in the nineteen sixties retro future setting.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
It's also in the.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Most idealized setting. So as far as I can tell,
there's no racism. Yo, as far as I can tell,
there's no colorism. As far as you ca'n told, there's
noisms whatsoever. And everyone is ultra cooperative, I mean on
a global scale, very cooperative. That's another reason why I'm like,

(07:18):
I know this is six one six, Nor is it
any Earth that I know of, let alone any USA
New York that I know of, New York being an outlining,
And yes, you have a multiple pot of people, sure,
but we had there's notes on We got notes on
New York, right, there's notes on everything. And like I said,
and really the other reason why this this felt transportive

(07:39):
or transformative is just because the isms that I, as
a black woman know very intimately, we're just not there.
And I was like, this is a fairy tale space.
So and that's not shade. This is just giving you
a better understanding of what kind of setting we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
There we go setting the table for people, and I
think that's something that for them to know because it's
just like with the most recent Superman again, I's talking
to Jay Slayer recently about it and he was like, yo,
my kids loved it, not me. And I was like, well,
you got to go into it with the eyes of
a child man, because it's that same thing and that Superman.
You don't hear about isms and that, well, I will

(08:17):
say Superman and these touches on that. Yeah, a lot
more than even Fantastic for It.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
That's a way more imperfect most of these superfilms. Superfilms,
that's it, you know, superhero films I've shown in perfect places.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Right, Yes, yes there were villains.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Even the villains are like, don't seem that bad at
least in this Fantastic for It. Right, So it's just like, oh,
maybe misunderstood opposed to full blown.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
What's a baddism besides racism, you.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Know, sexism, sexism, misogyny, misogyny, Like, yeah, those do not
seem to exist in this world, right No, And that
is something that I don't want to say that it's
lost over it. Just it's one of those things I
think where you have to accept the effect of someone
like Reid Richard's and someone like sus Storm, even though

(09:07):
they are both to us white presenting. I mean, well,
in this world, Read is played by Pedro Pascal, so
but a super genius family who has you know, given
theirselves to the world and what effect that would have
on the world, and especially a world that has been
used to intergalactic and you know, theme threats of that nature,

(09:31):
where they might be more unified than us because they've
met aliens, they've seen alien races, they've seen a lot
more than we have at this point. So I think
that might be one of the contributing factors to as
to why the movie is the way it is, like
you say, where we don't see any of these isms.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
It's a very idealized world.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah, and as mentioned, I do think that's really important
to hold that in your head when you go into
It's like just in terms of if you do want
to set an expectation for yourself, just take yourself out
of this world. And it is actually because and as
I said before, that's not shade.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
That's actually a good thing.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
And the main reason is that as when I came
out of this film, I put my hands up to
this guy and I said, prayers goes up, blessings come down,
because I felt like, finally something good has happened to
me recently. Besides Iron heart in the world of MCU,

(10:32):
just in terms of just feeling happy, in terms of
feeling satisfied, in terms of not feeling depressed, in terms
of not feeling like beaten down. And that could also
be derivative of what's going on in real life, which
I understand, but also I've.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
Just in a lot of these films.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
I'm just even even in the TV shows, I just
felt like, damn, we can't catch your break. Is something
negative happened? Damn is something depressing happening? I got I
came away from this feeling joyful. Yes, And that makes
all the difference for me when it comes to one
of the reasons why when it comes to this film,
why I was really really happy with it.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
You didn't, I mean, Thunderbolts is definitely a lot more
that's depressing. Yeah, it's a mental issues, a lot of things. Yeah,
so I see what you mean, They're okay. So that
being said, Yes, Iron Hart and Fantastic Four, and once
again going back to Superman, I feel like Superman and
Fantastic Four have a lot of the same DNA, I'll say,

(11:38):
and I enjoyed both of them for that reason. Where
at the end of it all, I was very overjoyed
as a huge like you see behind me, you know
the X Men of course and everything, but you see
right in front of me, I got my Fantastic Four.
Everyone who watches this show for or knows me for

(11:58):
any length of time you cannot begin to see the
length of galactus.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
You know, fiendom that I live in.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
But I'm also a huge Fantastic fore fan because of that,
and shout out to of course stan Lee and Jack
the King, Kirby and John Byrne, Ryan North. There's been
so many great runs, but definitely John Burn and Ryan North.
I really want to shout out because those are two
of my all time favorite Fantastic Four runs. This got it,

(12:29):
and it got it right off the break where you
just full feel like you're in this fully lived in world.
And if you're a Fantastic four fan, there are so
many quick shoutouts in easter heads thrown in when you're.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Like, oh yes, yes, okay, cool, we're here, We're in it.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
They get it, and so that you know the world
building within the first fifteen to twenty minutes is so
it's suptually done to me where I'm like, okay, this
is great. It feels like Fantastic four. It feels like
a world where a Fantastic four is for some time
and have been saving the world. And that's the thing
about the Fantastic before, Like if you're a fan of
the comments there Marvel's first family, they are that lighthearted,

(13:09):
not lighthearted because they have some very They are family,
so they go through everything that a family would go through, but.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
They always save to day. They're like the doctor who
of the MCU.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
They're Explorer is more than superheroes, so they're always in
these weird dimensions off in space doing all this different stuff. Science, science, science,
bitch madn it's bitch. And so that's how this felt,
you know, straight up without the bitch. You know, there
was some cerson in it, which I was like, oh yeah,
but it wasn't excessive, no, but it was nice and

(13:40):
it worked for the setting, et cetera. And like I said,
because this is a family who will have arguments, who
will go through those scenes, you know, that all worked
for me.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
I loved it pretty much beginning to end.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
I definitely want to get into some of the characters,
and you know the add thing and you know, as always,
once again Marvel's casting department.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
I mean, just ef an incredible.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Yes, I've enjoyed certain people in certain roles doing the
Fantastic Four before, like Chris Evans is human torch chick
list is the thing, but this is the first family
right here.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
And yeah, Ben, just around off that point about when
you mentioned Easter eggs and all that, there is so
much fand service done in the most tasteful way that
I've never really seen in a long time. Most times
when there's fan service, and I know I'm using the
anime term, but it's even used here in these things, right,

(14:43):
we talk about Easter eggs, you talk about homages and
things like that, and things that are done, things that
are said to literally just stoke nostalgia and the people
who have the history right or just to say, hey,
we said the word. Things like that, like if someone says,
you know, you know something about the Force in a
Star Wars film or TV show, right, even though it
may have nothing to do with Jedi, right, the fact

(15:05):
that they say is because they're stoking that. There's so
much of that in Fantastic Four, but it's done in
a way that it's embedded, really balanced throughout the film,
and there's things that there's so much of it that
is so well embedded that you will miss it.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
And as you said, the first fifteen minutes, I was like, bro,
I have to watch this again.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Like yeah, before the film got anywhere, I said, I
have to watch this again.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
And I think that really shows the.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Power of as you mentioned, world building, the good storytelling,
and a good entry. When that first fifteen twenty minute
was over, Ben looked at me and said, that was
the hell of an intro.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah, I said, talked about intro. I said, that's how
you introd some movie. That's how you start off a
movie that.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
It grabs you immediately, no matter where you stand in
the history of knowing anything podcasts, before you come in
there blank, having know nothing, you are good good.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
After that first sity minutes, you'll understand everything about them.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
If you have every figurine since nineteen fifty two.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Whatever the year was, you will be free. You won't be.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
It's like, what word can I use as well above
pleasantly surprised, and you will be thrilled, enamored.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
You will be you pleased, satisfied, satisfied service. Hey, we
gotta be careful when you say that, but yes, like
serve this royalty.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
It's so much to see, it's so much to do,
it's so much to learn. And that's another aspect again
when we're talking about Marvel to me, Marvel reconstituting themselves.
It's just I've felt where I'm missing the will to
learn or the will to want to care about what's.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Going on around me. I'm being on with you. It's
just like I don't really want to.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
Learn more about this, even though I may already known.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
I'm like, ah, you know, because the delivery was off,
there was something off about it.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
This feels right, This feels really well thought out. In
terms of the writers we see Josh Friedman, Eric Pearson,
Jeff Kaplan, and of course that director Matt Shackman. They Hmm.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
I think why I'm having this type of reaction because
I'm just so happy. I just don't be that happy
coming out these films.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Like that lately lately, I mean I mean lately for
like four five years. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know,
yeah that being taken there, I remember Covid et cetera.
But yeah, it's been rough.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
It's been rough since Endgame has been hit or miss
and a lot more, miss not more, miss a lot.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
More miss Okay, we could go just more into you
mentioned the casting.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yes, I will still like chick List is still one
of the deef if not the definitive thing for me, however,
Kama Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Evan Evan Boss back Rock.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Aka cousin from the Bear, Yeah, I think he is
the true successor. Yeah, and I hope and I would
love to find out. I hope I get a chance
to interview him. Just did he even speak to Michael?

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Did they have words.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Michael's blessing anything? I saw a thread from Michael today
where he was giving them their blessing. He said, there's
been a lot of you know, talk to him for
the last two months since the run up, and he's
been you know, overjoyed to pass it along.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
I had always said, oh, no one's touching tickles when
it comes to this, because you know, he embodies that
that humanity within the.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Rock, right.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
And I knew as soon as they cast cos it
was a rap, I mean not a rap, but I
knew that he was gonna put his stamp on it.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
But Evan, No, Evan put his foot into ben Grim. Yes,
he put his foot into it. I would, I will
say I wanted to see more. I understand why they
didn't focus on his cap. They touched on it, like
Ben is a very tragic character. He's a tragic and
this is this is, this is base of knowledge, just

(19:10):
the fact that with the fantastic foward getting their powers,
he's the only one that changed physically, like to the
point where he can't turn back to just having normal
skin or human human normal skin, a normal face like
he's he's and this is through every iteration of it.
He's constantly looking himself. He's constantly doubting himself. He's constantly
I have the feeling like, why would they might love me?

(19:32):
I literally am a fucking bold thing, right, I'm a thing.
And even though we get a little bit of that,
not as deep as you want it to be, you
still feel the pain and like and maybe that's an
ebbing thing, but this man.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Can emote his ass off.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
I think, like you said that you could have gotten more.
But I also loved that what they did with the
time with him, with with normal people on the street,
all of those things contributed. Because Red and Ben's relationship
is very special. They were best friends before he became
the test pilot that led to this. So it's like

(20:15):
you said, it's steeped in tragedy and steeped in drama,
and this is just the beginning. So that was more
than enough for me. And again, like you said, Evan
and down the line, for me, this is now the
first family. This is they got it. You know, all
four of them did it. It's not there's a there's
not a weak link here. All four of them did

(20:37):
the damn thing. This is Marvel's first family. This is
the future foundation. This is the Fantastic Four.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
What did you feel about Joseph Quinn as Johnny Storm?

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Incredible and one like.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Thing that I really I mean, there's a lot of
things that I really liked about the portrayal of this
version of the Fantastic Four, but one thing that I
really want to touch. I love Joseph when from Stranger Things.
I can never get over how much my man looks
like Robert Downey Junior. It is the weirdest thing to
me in the world. But I do want to say
that I love this portrayal of Johnny Storm because they

(21:12):
didn't go with the idiot hot rod Johnny Storm. They
went with someone who would be Susan Storm's brother, because
Suitsan Storm is a genius as well.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, and so you wouldn't have an idiot younger brother
like that, Well you could, you couldn't good. But I
hate that trophy.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
It's very trophy and it doesn't justify why they would
all be tagging along on these scientific missions. At the
end of the day, these are highly scientific missions and
you can't have a bumbling idiot next to you who
don't know one plus one is two, right. And I'm
glad you mentioned that because I did want to mention
that that they made it so like everyone felt everyone

(21:49):
felt equal, like, no, no one suit smarter than read,
but they felt like, yes, they all belonged in that space.
No one felt dumber than the next. Everyone contributed, and
I I will agree with you.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
On that point.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
When it comes to Joseph Quinn's Johnny Storm, they played
with the trope but then elevated him. Yes, he wasn't
just pure oh dumb, dumb, sexy whatever he calls himself
right like it was.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
He has purpose.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
And that goes back to something I wanted to mention
about the Easter eggs and things of that nature that
you were talking about is that this goes back to
the very beginning of the comments. First of all, you know,
as we said, it's I keep saying Marvel, this is
their first family. Stand and Jack, this is the first
comic book. This is what led off the Marvel revolution
is Fantastic Four, and they as a group of characters

(22:41):
have always lived in this world where their celebrities, you know,
their faces are known, Like the Fantastic Four have always
been that group. They're not the X Men where they're
feared and hated. They're not the Avengers where they're like
Earth's Mighty as heroes. They're their first family. Everybody knows them.
They're on the lunch boxes, they're.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
On this serial, the commercialized, commercialized.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
They have a comic book that Ben Grimm will walk
down to the Marvel offices and complain how they get
his adventures wrong.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
You know, that's how it goes into comic.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
So they incorporate all those type of things into this
and I loved all of that, and that's why, like
Joseph Quinn has a lot of those moments where you know,
he gets to show off how the world reacts around
the Fantastic Yeah, like what is that it's like almost breaking.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
It's like breaking the fourth warble not fourth wall, yeah,
because it's like it's the it's the excuse me, it's
the world of the film's fourth wall, but not the
actual real life fourth wall.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
So what is that the fifth wall?

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Like, yeah, it's one of those weird things.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
But it's like the Fantastic Four in Marvel Comics have
a monthly comic that's written about them and in the
comic book that.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
They have the comic, like yeah, it's but it's like
it's like the real thing.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
It's like as a Fantastic four suddenly appeared in New
York right now, right, If suddenly there was four dudes
of powers, Marvel Comics would be like, Yo, we need
to make a comic about them, and then they would
start consulting them and being like, yo, right, right, what
are your you know, what are your adventures about? Okay, cool,
let's write about those. And so that's how it words.
It's that type of thing, and then eventually they would

(24:20):
have movies made about them and people would be like, Yo,
what did you do?

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Okay, let's write about that.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
And so that's how it works in the comics, and
that's how it's working in this universe that this first
steps is taking place in. And I loved that because
that's like their celebrities, you know, their faces or known
and they always say to day you know, they bring science,
like we said, to the job.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
So it's like they're this thing where they're celebrated. Yeah,
it's believable.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
I would say that it's more believe because they don't
rely on the tropes or they they and they do
this a lot within throughout the movie with almost everything
where they take you down one alley and then they
pull you into another, like think you going one way
and they go the other way.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
And they do this with each of the characters too.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
It's like, well, you think you know how I'm going
to present you this character, but now I'm gonna throw
you over here to give you a little bit of
a curve ball, just so you don't anticipate and try
to guess where this is. Where we're going with this,
and it's done. It in its great again done in
a very almost respectful manner to Disvergeon of Johnny Storm
because as mentioned, it does give him more it gives

(25:25):
him more.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Agency. Yes, and I think that comes up a lot.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Ryan North who's the current Fantastic Four writer in the
comments and it's absolutely killing it. And his run is
like that where it's a very science approach for they're
all very brilliant and even though Johnny is still hot,
ride fun loving god, he's not an idiot, but yeah,
he's not got a job. Also, and that's another one
I want to go back to, is being Grim and

(25:53):
this for Ben Grim. You know, he is that tragic figure.
He's loved in this. He is never called a monster.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
He's not feared.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
The fans, thege, you know, the people on the street,
all everyone loves him. And I think that is a
very dope version of the thing because that's you know,
they've had that version of it.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
I've seen the opposite of where it was like, oh
yeah it's sue Johnny and yeah, no, I.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Don't really sad.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Yeah, And I think that, you know, going with this
version where they're all celebrities and he's even accepted who
he is.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
You know, he can walk down the street, people know
him by first name. He knows people my first name.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
They they invoked the Yancey street name and even the
gang a little bit for comic book fans, that's something
you know. Ben Grimm is from Yancey Street and the
Yancey Street Gang is something that comes up in the
comics a lot. So it was all those little touches
that are just fantastic. Can we talk about.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
Storm Vanessa?

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Talk about Vanessa?

Speaker 4 (27:00):
Vanessa a face card?

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Oh my god. I mean it's like a long running.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Joke about people who use like powers that are either
you know, like mind type powers or powers that you
can't exactly see, but it's what it's doing.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
Kinetic shit. You gotta serve face.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
She serves face so well, you feel it.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
You feel it. Yeah, and Vanessa carry I love her
as that.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
I mean, my yes, She's done a lot of things,
but my main thing where I really fell in love
her was because of Mission Impossible. Same and so I
was like, oh, I want to see her in everything,
and to see her.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
In this like she eats, she eats when it comes
to this roll suit.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
I haven't seen her in a lot of things. Oh
you know, it's pretty much mission impossible in this, and
so I was concerned because I didn't know. And then
Mission impossible, but she is such a dope character. I
wasn't sure if that was just you know, was she
one note or could she do?

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Sue Storm? And she is Sue's Storm because she.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Is the mother, she is the warrior, she is the intelligence,
she is the heart of the team.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
She is you know, the sister, the everything that the
leader from the.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
Leader everything like she's like a she's I'm every woman.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
That's yes, yes, she do that. She does it all.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
And Sue is such an important character to me, Like
I said, I'm a big Fantasic fore fan.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
And a little quick history because I've been thinking about
this a lot.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Is Susan Storm is one of those characters who when
you know she first debuts, she's the invisible girl, right.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
With mister fantastic girl. Right. She doesn't even have force
fields the first. All she can do is turn invisible.
She is a liability on most of the original mission.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
It's sad because every time she turns in visible to
the villains like well I can see you through this,
you know, or some other way, they can always find
a way. She's always get knocked out or captured. For
like the first fifty something issues. It's terrible. You know,
she's constantly getting played. Then she gets to Forest Fields
and the other you know, writers come in and start
really using her better than Staying. Even Staying you know,

(29:04):
does better with her later on, But John Burrn it
takes until John Byrne right until the nineteen eighties, so
like twenty something years of this character. At this point,
Sue Storm has had Franklin in the comics and I
think she's Miss Terry.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, she has.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
She has miscarried her second child in the comics, and
she's still going around by the Invisible Girl. It takes
a violation by this character who basically does mental and
whatever else type you know, attack on her, that is,
you know, a pure violation of her being for her
to finally say, no, I need to be called the

(29:42):
invisible woman.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
That's fucked up for obvious reasons.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, it's just a ridiculously sad, you know thing that
it took this character that long for men because they
were always writing her to be like, well, maybe should
be a woman instead of.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
The answer is because men, Yes, because men.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
And so that being said, this is this is not that,
this is the fully developed Susan Storm, the invisible woman,
with the invisibility, with the force fields to the max,
the most dangerous character in the FF honestly, and that's
been established through the comments for a long time now.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Like she is.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Easily the most dangerous character when it comes down to it,
she can murder you in a dozen different ways.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah, if they're going down to the old X men
when they say, oh you are mega level, she's one
of them.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
She's one of the problem.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
She's a big joker.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
And yes, just just in speaking of power levels, they
were consistent, Thank you, Marvel. They were consistent, and they
really showed you these are not the ones to fuck
around with, none of them.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
The power set that they were showing for each of
these people.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
And how they wielded their powers and the creativity around
that is done very strongly. And I really got a
sense of like when when someone was displaying a level
of power that was overwhelming, that it felt yes and
looked overwhelming, And that again is just an aspect that

(31:15):
had been missing that now it's like, Okay, thank you
for showing me what it means when this nigga Johnny
Storm is on fire nova when he when he doesn't
show me what it means when you say Ben Grimm
is as strong as whatever they say, He's as strong
as show me what it means in terms of yes,
reads intelligence, but also the fact.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
That this nigga could fucking stretch longer than you think,
right Like.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
But all that to say back to Sue, how they
show her power levels and not just her her superpowers,
her mental fortitude, her mental fortitude, the fact that.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
She is nearly as smartest read.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
Everything about her was so well done.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
And then just looking at it from a woman's lens,
I was like, thank God, Like I didn't explain nothing less,
but I was just like, thank God.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, like I said, I gave you that whole backstory
to know how she used to get played in the comics,
but current writers, including even going back to John Byrne,
but Ryan North once again utilizes to to the peak
of her ability. And I always love seeing that and
this movie against it. She is the heart and soul
of the FF. She is the most powerful member of

(32:27):
the FF, and all of that was fully on display.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
She's everything, And of course I can't say, but there's
one scene where I was I was gagged.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
That was just like really really, I was waiting for that.
I already knew really and I know exactly were talking
about it, and I was like yep. I was like, wow,
that's right, talk about that's my woman. And then I
also want to say, like you were talking about the
powers and the usage of powers, this goes back to

(32:58):
the First Avengers. We're all sitting in the theaterm like,
and there's power combinations being displayed on train. I'm like, oh, oh, oh, okay,
that's so, you know, like, oh those two did that
and they combo together, okay, fire, and it's nothing being said,
you know, it's just happening. And that's like the First
Avenger is when at one point Iron Man flies by

(33:21):
and shoots cap shield and Cap holds up his shield
and reflecting and gets some of the aliens, and it's
just instinctual because these two barely even know each other
at that point, while the fantast four are working together,
you know, for years as a team and as a family,
and that's all shown, you know, through their actions and

(33:42):
through the acting, I mean and the acting and the
fighting scenes.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Then we have Pagro Pascal as Reid Richards for not
read Big Zaddy Energy.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
Paige Ho is so smart, just how.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
He takes on characters and brings them to life, the
cadence of which he speaks. When he's speaking as Read
that it's different. And when I say different, I mean
Read does not speak like other people. Right, that's because
he doesn't think like other people, right.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
And he I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Sometimes I look at him like a doctor Manhattan type
where I'm just like, are you with me right now?
Like are you even on the same plane of existence
as I? You're sitting next to me, but are you
here right now?

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Read is not?

Speaker 2 (34:29):
And you see that like he has social he has
social skills, yes, but he's different. Yes, he's different in
his speech, his tone, the way obviously the way you think.
But it's in his presentation as a person and the
way that Pedro was able to deliver that, like him

(34:49):
giving him a script he says, okay, like what like
there's been lots of iterations to read what made him
say this is the way I'm going to say these words.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
And once y'all watch it, you'll get what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
When I'm when I'm expressing about how he speaks is
so vastly important to understanding the characterization of Reid.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
This is just read down like I just keep doing that.
This is the perfect casting of the fans that suffording me.
And while I can definitely say that, like you said,
I would like more of Johnny and more of Ben,
the interactions between Read and Sue, and that's what I
was waiting for.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
Those are real.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
That's I believed it.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
I mean from the the movie opens with them too,
and they carry it from then on in chemistry is
the word.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Of the day. The sex, you know, I just saw it,
like like in the mortal words of my show, this
guy fucks, this girl fucks. These two right here, these
two right here, they doing some serious good fucking.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
And honestly, you and they're joking about it. You want that,
you want that.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
I don't mean those two actors. I just mean, like, no,
I know what you mean. Character characters are.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
What I was gonna say, was you want that?

Speaker 2 (36:16):
You want that to be to show through through the
character work of these actors when they're portraying these characters,
because yes, you mentioned that this is a family, but
also these two are a couple, and they are a couple.
These are our super family, and presumably, at least in
this universe, the only super folks around that are really
helping doing a lot, and there are a couple going

(36:38):
through couple of things and going through the impossible, right,
And there's got to be sometimes where it's just like
you said, the sex, it comes through and and and
I don't mean literally, I just mean that energy and
that connection between them.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Like fury and passion, you get.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
They're both so passionate, and so there are several scenes
where they both get exceptionally passionate about whatever the topic
is at hand.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
And you've seen them like damn, should I be here
right now? Like right, y'all need a room real quick.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
And again I'm not talking about physical I'm talking about
just talking drama, the drama, and that's why I want
to see more. There is the drama between them, but
not from toxicity.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
It's just from love and from a dramatic situation. And
it's strenuous situation. Yes, and I love it because that's
what the Fantastic for us all about, you know, And that,
oh man, this movie hits all the way on that ben.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Before we get the characters stuff, we gotta talk about
your Man's Ralph Innocent as as well as Julia Garner
as Shlabah.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Let me take a real quick all right, hold up,
hold up, yeah, because I've been waiting on this.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
I've been waiting, you know, all my life place in
Phil Collins right now, you know, let me talk me,
let me double fisted real quick.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
If you all understand there's another behind me, there's like,
you know, twenty or so. Look, I put it on threads.
The cloud days are over.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
We have.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
A terrifying, a force of nature, a essential part of
the universe, the third force between eternity and death. Galactis Galen,
the only survivor of a prior universe.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
We have it.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
If you are a fan of Galactus, like I'm a
fan of Glactys. If you know nothing of Galactus, this
movie will make you a fan. Ralph Emerson, that's the man,
and fucking incense. Fucking incredible Ralph Incredible is what I'm
calling that man from now on because he did that.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
From the moment I'm.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Sitting there with it in the theater with down are
like cheering, come on, because you know they're they're building
up to the moment we're we're gonna see Galastics and
his intro is pure perfection. I'm so glad that Marvel,
at least as far as I saw. Don't watch any
more commercials because I didn't see ship. I didn't know

(39:35):
exactly how I looked. I remember all was the foot
walking through the city and the shadow.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
And they still didn't really show you exactly how it looks.
But he looks supposed to look out that.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
He looks exactly like this big joint. If you have
the Marble has Lab or you google the Marble has
Lab Galactics and that's a perfect reputation. I mean, it's
the colors of everything. This even the right colors to me.
But it's it is what it is. It is they
did it. It's the force, it's the feeling, it's the fear.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
This nigga is the most terrifying thing in the universe,
and you feel that with Galactus, you feel.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
It insignificant nets to this force of nature and all
that that is on display.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
You feel it, you see it. You even in the
dialogue that's shared by the Lactus.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
As you mentioned the way, and this is also just
a shout out to overall the effects of the film,
the sex on the film, We're top tier, top top,
top tier, and the way Glactus was depicted, I felt
like Omar coming type shit, like yes, when he was there, all,
We're fucked like it was nothing about there was no
there was no all you could do is be filled

(40:52):
with trepidation all all. And then also in the same tone,
at least for me, Julia Garner and Shallabah Sho talk
about you said, I already knew Gallectus to be terrifying.
I didn't know I'm I'm I'm from the norm red days,
So I didn't know much about Shalla Ba.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
Charla Ball is insane. Yeah, in terms of how they like,
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
I've always known Harold's you know, literally, it's a herald
of the apocalypse, right, It's a herald of the worst
thing you could think of.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Sure, but I'm like, oh, these niggas just say, well
they got to stay in dip, right. And then also
I've seen the stories.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Particularly from like X Men, where like particularly like Noring,
where it's like, oh, they start realizing like, ah, maybe
I shouldn't be doing this, right, So they're trying to
redeem themselves. The last my last outing with with herolds
are like, oh, they're trying to redeem They're trying to
be helpful, right, this is not that this is Omar
coming Shala Ball, right, and and with nor remorse, and

(41:53):
it's very reminiscent of Tea two, you know, the liquid
metal sermon it. Think about that, and I'm talking to
people listening, think about that, and how ridiculously.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
Scary that was, at least at least in that time
it was.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
And just you know, put that that fear onto Shalla
ball and just maybe up it by a trillion, because
we're talking about a celestial intergalactic threat.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah, that's the level.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
And that is precisely what you need when we're talking
about a big bad of this nature. Right, that's precisely
what you need when we talk about being consistent with
how you express why should I Why should I fear
this bad quote bad guy?

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Right?

Speaker 4 (42:35):
This is why Like, yes, yes, Galactus, East Worlds, whatever.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
But the coming of him, the heralding of him before
he arrived, that shit is insane.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Yeah, that being said, like you said, noorn Rad is
often known as the peace love all that time.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
Ah, my bad fam let me helped me.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
But this is even then noron Rad is supposed to be,
especially when you first see.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Him, unknowable and angel of death. Right.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
And so that is the version of Nora and that
I've always known as well before he you know, redeems
himself and Shalla is the same thing.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
You know, they go through it. Not all the Heralds
are like that.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
Though didn't give me intel it. Charla gave me a
y'all are cooked.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Well that's angel of death. Yeah, but I don't know.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
I don't know. Norn gave me the sorry for you guys.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
I felt like a tinge of Oh it's hopeless, but
you know, this is just how it is. Where almost
Shalah was giving me the energy of of like no hope.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
But that's it, like it is no hope, and this
is how it is, and that's the this is how
it is.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
And also almost it's almost the same, but it's also
just a tinge of Charlat just gave me a tinge
of meanness, a hints of more mean than what I
was used to. Let's just say that maybe that's the
difference because they're both doing the same things, but it's
just a tiny.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
More bit of.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
I don't like.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
I still got the regret with Shla, and I think
that's what's really great because that's.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
After the fact. Yeah, well, I'm talking about right when
you meet her, it's.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Just like, yikes, well when you meet her, as we've
seen in the commercials and everything, it is, you know,
the announcement of doom, and that's what it is. It's
not like that's the thing Shala and the Silver Surfer
character in general is someone who has accepted what Galactus is.
Like Galactus is a as they say, an essential part

(44:37):
of the universe. It is something that is supposed to
be eating plants. It's just fucked up that, you know,
we having to be on one. So that's how you know,
Silver Surfer looks at it in general, and that's why
you get that feeling of eh, like I don't know,
it's just it's.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Just it's the hey, this is an organism that just
showed up to your planet. Sorry, fam like this is
the yeah, this order showed up and then like it's
something it's just a level of intent there.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
It was just something that was slightly different than what
I was expecting. Let's say that I think, well, yeah,
and it wasn't bad.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
I was just saying no, yeah, as I've said, like,
because there's different versions of Surfer, this was like, okay.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Was intense.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
Yeah, let me say that it was more intense than yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
And that's how that's how it should be, you know,
that's how Silver Surfer.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
No matter Noring, whoever, it is, no matter what herald,
because there are many heralds that there's fire Lord, there's Tamer,
there's more, there's air Walker, there's many heralds, and no
matter which one nova shows up, it's a feeling of
all of you are going to die and there's nothing
you can.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Do about it, because it ain't about the herald. It's
about what's coming. It doesn't matter how they say it.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
They just a little more nicely.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
You can show up as a fucking bozo the clown
and do bat slips and be like, oh, you're.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Gonna die be and it's still show up, right, you
know you're gonna be like, what the fun? That's kind
of corny, And then this nigga shows up and you're like, oh,
I guess it wasn't corny.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
No, no, no, you're right, and you know what, that's
just I realize now that's just coming from my last
memories of Noring, which is that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Trying to be helpful, but it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Try to be because when this nigga show up, You're
still gonna get eight, Like, thanks for trying to help nigga.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
I'd rather nigga keep it real, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
I'd rather nigga show up like nigga, all your niggas, Nigga,
I've done this over and over again, and this nigga
cooks everyone.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
The effects on Julia as Shallah look great, true surfer
energy throughout the film, from the way.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
She moves, the way she all the way she presents. Yes,
you're gonna be happy with that presentation.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
There are lots of other side characters that show up
to the delight, I know.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
But every time they name the character, Ben said yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Yes, And it's a lot of just everybody. Yeah, they
named so many, like Goosey fantastic characters.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
That's why I said it was fan service, because they
didn't name damn there everybody.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Yeah, they name a lot of people, y'all, Like if
you're apt fan. There are a lot of shout outs
to all the various things like that we've seen the
Future Foundation, all the different incarnations I'll say, the Fantastic Four,
And then even in the credits, I was reading and
they gave us a lot of shout outs to a
bunch of the creators like Ryan North and John Byrne,

(47:46):
who are just responsible for so much of this Lord
that we're seeing on screen.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
So I really like that.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
And as others have said, this is definitely a true
love letter to Jack the King Kirby, which I want
to take a second and say something because stand Aman
Lee has been pretty much driven into our consciousness due
to his cameos.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Rest in peace to both of them. But Jack is
often not given enough credit.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Like Jack is known as the King, he is known
in front of the greatest artists of all time. He
revolutionized comic book art for all time. But as far
as what he contributed to the X Men, to the
Fantastic Foward, to their.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
Double, to the DNA of comic books, to the.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
DNA of Marvel especially, it's often not given enough credit. Yeah,
because Stan.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Often you know, it's like, oh, well, he wrote all this,
but that's not exactly true, and Jack did maybe probably probably,
especially when it comes to the creating a lot more
the heavy lifting. Stan is definitely the salesperson who made
it where they became the brand that they became, but
without Jack's pre a genius. And I say that, I

(49:03):
want to say it again and again, and I mean,
god fucking damn genius. Put him on the level of Michaelangelow,
any of them type of you know, great artists you
want to ever name, Jack Herbie has to be on
that list. And I'm so happy that this film takes
the time in several different ways and in one beautiful,
absolutely beautiful way that I won't reveal here to give

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the tribute to Jack King Kirby.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Yeah, and also just because I don't want to make
sure we mentioned it, Herbie that's actually played by someone,
Matthew Wood.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
Herbie was cute. It's gonna tell a lot of toys
for sure.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Yeah, I wonder. I mean, he ugly as fuck. I
don't know how many I'm gonna sell.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
Toys, because it's like it was like, I don't think you're.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Gonna he wasn't annoying.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
It's not like it's wasn't annoying.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
There was.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
I wasn't annoying, which says to be the case when
they try to introduce a character for for selling toys sake.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
So yeah, he was not annoying.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
And Herbie has a long history in the comic there
alternate you know, cartoons, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
So you know, yeah, one of the main other things
why this film is so strong was the way it sounded.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
The score.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
Yeah, not and not soundtrack.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
It wasn't all soundtrack, but in terms of like regular
contemporary music or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
The score yeh, dope, sensational.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Yeah, it completely what as like from every and this
is probably what led to me feeling like this didn't
feel like it didn't feel episodic. It didn't feel like
I saw hard lines of act one, act two, Act three.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
I didn't feel that at all.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
I just felt like this was one continuous story which
has also.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
Something that and this is not just Marvel films, a
lot of films just like you can see the.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Lines of delineation like the first act, then we're gonna
have the train in matage.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
Then we're gonna do this like it's very formulate.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
You don't feel like I didn't even remember when one
act quote act began and one ended, or when one.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
Scene like half the times the scenes blend so seems
to me with another.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
I didn't realize they was done talking. It was they
was off that topic. Now they're going to the new one.
And what helped that tremendously was the score. Yes, the
the the orchestra, the orchestral sounds.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
And gets the effects, of course, but it felt.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Very grand. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
It gave me Flash Jordan triumphant, you know, Space Opera.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Star Wars, Dune.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
It was the dramatics.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
It was a fantastic twist, you know.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
And it's one of those, like the main Fantastic fourth
theme that we've heard in the commercials and stuff. When
it comes back up throughout the movie after you've heard
it once, you're like, ooh, it's an instant classic theme
to me.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Like that theme is something.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
It's gonna be right there with the Avengers theme, like
when I hear the adventure theme in the movie, you know,
And that's the same thing when they played that Fantastic
fourth theme, I'm gonna get hype every time.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
And they don't o d on anything like And that's
why I said a lot of times where I didn't realize,
like one, like all the scenes were blending so seamlessly
within another, like it was literally the lived experience of
this family. And like the soundbeds just like when they're
talking and there's as you say, there's this maybe there's
a triumphant there's some happening and then you know, then

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then there's a lull and and and then it waves
on to some another sound like it's so seamless.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Yeah, there's a moment when.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Surfer is chasing Torch and I'm like, ah, well, replay
that scene that music over and over again.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Oh man, the music was.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
Just so on point.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
We already mentioned that. The I think there was only
one thing where I had a question about the way
it looked effects wise, but everything else was was solid,
solid as hell.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
You know, anyone who was CGI or had CGI bits to.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Them, even even Ben Grimm being wanted like, I don't
know what was necessarily practical versus what was just.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Digital, but it looked good. He looks really really good.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
And I'm not going to give.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Away one of the little gags that they do with him,
and you may see it in like the trailers or whatever,
but they.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
But they do a gag with him that works so
well with his character. It works.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Is it been in the comics, Yes, But I just
I just really liked how they gave him. They expressed
his humanity, not and also how he's active, but how
he looked and you know the big blue, the big.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
The eye here we talked about the blue eyes and
all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Like it's very strong.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
When we say character, writing, direction, cinematography, action, the action.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
Crazy, the fights crazy.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Yeah, I mean it's Glactus like it's Glatus on screen.
How anyone who've read any comments where they have a
big Galactus battle. I even think they did, Yeah they did.
They did a shot from one of the famous Fantastic
Four versus Galaptus battles done by John Burns.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
So it was it was just the comics come to
life in terms of that for me, And that's just
what I've been waiting for my whole life. Y'all understanding,
Like g Latus and me go back to like middle school,
that's when I first became a god damn fiend in
this nigga.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
So it's it's a long time coming for me, and
it was perfection.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
I had no notes on how Galastus, the Surfer the
Four looked in their battles throughout the movie, and just
not just the battles, but just how they moved, how
they interacted with each other, Like I'm talking about before
all the different power team ups things of that nature.
So for the torch everything dope.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Yeah, and just the one of the last ones that
I mentioned earlier, but I just want to bring it
up again.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
There's so many like.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
False like there's so many false endings and false uh
like red herrings about how a scene is gonna go. Yeah,
and I think they're like there were major ones, and
I literally think, to go along with the motif that
it happened four times. There were four literally because I
was counting while I was in the there there were
four major times where you thought shit was one way
then it changed the other way, and to to to

(55:35):
your great excitement, because it's just like it keeps you
on the edge of your seat, It keeps you engaged
and yeah, like we were both sitting up like, yo,
what is about to happen next? Like I'm excited to
watch this and which is why even coming out, I said, Yo,
I gotta watch this again. I will pay the money
to see this. We also saw this on Imax.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
This is one of the things.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
It looks great. It is. It is one of them
films I was shot for Imax. Go see you on
Imax if you can.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Yeah, because even just like the interactions like the opening
scene when I'm like ooh, I was like, oh.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
This is beautiful, so.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
Much stuff to see. Yeah, it's it's it's colorful.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Yeah, it's not.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
It's not the neon brightness colorful. It's just colorful that
it feels like it has life. Yeah, and it's not
dull if you will, right, Like there's stuff that could
be colored but be dull, you know, Like there's certain
films that have done that unfortunately, which is like an oxymoron,
but this is not it. This this gives you life,
This gives you bigger And I just got to say

(56:41):
just overall, they won Mark.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Yeah, no, this is definitely right, we heep saying, you know,
since end Game, but it's Thunderbolts proved that they were
back on track and this is.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
You know, so a one two punch for the summer
for them.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
They definitely you know, came up this summer and with
Superman being as good as it is, I think that's
really just great for superhero films in general to have
this great summer that they're having, where all three of
these films.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
To me are four, like four out of five at
the lowest.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
Ye all three of them absolutely, I would probably rate
the same, you know, I four and a half out
of five.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Yeah, oh for four for Fantoms four, I'm saying, like, yeah,
four and a half B plus A minus.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
Yeah, yeah, I probably rate it that way.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
And with the lattics, I'm going like a A, like
it's like for me, but I agree they did.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
That's someone who's who I love. I love Galactis person.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
I'm not, you know, the fiend like you, but I
love it and know they dialogue nothing on the table, and.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
The way he speaks is just it's so perfect. It's
so poetic, it's so like epic, it's so much I am.
I'm a billions of year old force, my dude, Like,
I'm just have no time for your infemessal lives.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
You know you are not here but for an instant
to me. Yeah, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
They they left nothing on the table when it came
to this film, and I had high hopes, but this
completely exceeded my expectations.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
So this is one of the rare times I.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Actually hope that they make a billion dollars with this
so that we can really see what more they can do.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
Uh, they got to keep Matt Shackman on. Oh yeah,
they you got to let that man cook.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
He got his trilogy is guaranteed. It has to be.
It has to be.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
There is a both a mid credits end and credits scene,
So stay for that. You absolutely want to stay for that,
Yes you do. I can't say why, but you gotta.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
If you are a com up with fan and you
know about the character of Franklin Richards, there are are
a lot of shout outs and just a lot of.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Things that.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
From his lore, I will say that are given a
little bit of time, a little bit of shouts, you know, people,
a lot of themes, and I really enjoyed that. Franklin
is definitely one of my favorite characters in general, like
as a kid, as he grows up, he's just a
great little kid. So I love Franklin and I hope
to really get to see him. I don't know if

(59:27):
we'll ever get to see him join up with Power Pack,
the little superhero team of kids that he does join,
but that'd be really dope. If they ever did a
Power Pact series and put Franklin in there, I'd be
really hud for that.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
They can do a lot with this.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
The implications are vast, as we need to know for
anything where the multivers is involved. The implications are vast.
This film runs for two hours, ten minutes and so, which.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
Is actually pretty tight.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Ye are what they did and the level of detail
that they were able to fit in here, that's actually
pretty good editing.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
I'm coming to shock because I expected it to be
like three hours long.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Sods right, And that's that's with the that's the end
credit everything. So they did a phenomenal job. It's the
pacing on point. Just I don't think there's much more
I could say. Besides, this is a win. This is
a huge win for MCU. I hope it does very well.
I absolutely recommend it.

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It's a huge win for fans of the Big Dog. Baby.
We're back. It ain't no more Cloud. We back out here,
no more evil Cloud. No we're evil Cloud. We out here.
We are a force. We are you know.

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