July 7, 2025 • 35 mins
We had to break down our mega review featuring Janicia F and Chris Lamberth into more digestible parts, so first up is Episode Four of Ironheart "Karma's A Glitch"! Now with bonus content!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
You're listening to four All Nerds. And on this episode,
we talked about episode five of Iron Heart, in which
White Castle tries to compete with waffle House.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
For best fight ever.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
The first thing that hit me on SO five was
that when they was first of all, this was the
Battle Royale in White Castle.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
I was just I love that.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Okay, people have been upset about that.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Why well, like for people who have seen everything like us,
because that was like one of the things where they're
like this, they could have fought in I don't know,
the Chicago Fast Food or us that's in Chicago.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
I mean it's also in New York. So yeah, that's
the thing. Are those people who were complaining from Chicago.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Then to fight?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
And what's that the name of the hot spot?
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Chicken?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Harold Chicken, Harold Chicken. Yeah, Harold don't have that much.
I've never been in Harolds. It's so good.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
That's not what the was wrong with.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
First of all, white cous will probably pay that bread to.
Speaker 6 (01:13):
Get but let me, can I say something about this?
So I feel like, I don't know, white Castle kind
of screwed themselves because she throws up her White Castle.
I was like let's be real exactly, That's what I'm saying,
Like it's one or the other, it's gonna come out.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
No shade, shade the white Castle. I grew up with
that white.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Castle as a Estonian dog. I never like white Castle
was saying that rappers talked about. That was not a
did you'll have a white house?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Maybe not you in Houston, but down sow they have
thing called crystals and the States, which is almost equivalent.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
To we have water burger.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Yeah I'm not We're talking about very particular type of burger.
We're talking about that, well, not white Castle.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
You know, we're talking about sliders.
Speaker 7 (02:14):
Were talking about slag, But did y'all have sliders?
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Did you have a place to have sliders?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
No?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Nothing.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Sliders was the thing that like, it wasn't until like
very recently in my life that I was like, okay,
you know, like yeah, you know yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Black castles up north of New York.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I didn't even realize they did it like that in
Chicago's When I saw it, I was like, well that's familiar,
but yeah, this fight happening, you know again, I felt like.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I was on a teching stage.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
It was.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I loved it so random and like it was in
the neighborhood. It wasn't like some random set piece. It
wasn't on top of the tallest tower. It was on
the ground in a fucking restaurant that happened to be
on the strip where you be at.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Like that makes sense to me.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
All white castles look alike to so like the one
that I've been in, you know, the same familion.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Familiarity to remember. I think I gotta say this, the
show is very black white. I'm not saying only white
black people go to White Castle because they love White
Castle in Japan, I'm gonna tell you that.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
But black people know White Castle.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
When you see that, especially from a certain region anyway,
and when you see that ship.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Is like I know that I know that place. That's
for real.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
The first time I had White Castle was I was
living I lived in Chicago. I used to work at
Best Buy and we used to have six am meetings
on Saturdays, and after those meetings we'd all go to
White Castle. So that definitely is a Chicago for your thing.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
So it's you.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Said, after six am, whats they.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Was there in the morning? We were up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
We went to one get them breakfast sandwiches right there and.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Cheese burgers on your rings at six.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
Am, seven eight, but not the best.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
It was just funny that White Castle.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
It was just like it was so it was it
was random, but it wasn't because it was just like, oh,
White Castle, you know what they're doing. They're ruining your
restaurant and the lead character is the lead character threw
up your food.
Speaker 7 (04:16):
Were talking about it, but up some White Castle, right
I had weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
In fact, White Castle has become integral and pieces of
black culture because they helped the fund tew far so.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
He really.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
So yeah, you got to look at that story of
White Castle and how that came to be, like literally,
would you help?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
And it was like.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
That's dope, that's dope.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (04:43):
I just remember like it just just as a kid
going to the White Castle on Boston Road in the
Bronx and you could just get what felt like mad
food because everything is tiny. It just felt like, yo,
we're about to have a feast.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
I could get.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
I could get more than French fries as a side.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I was so like, that's me.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
But my first experience for White CAUs I was like,
what you know, they brought out sliders.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I was like, Okay, this is interesting.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
That was nasty.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Well what By the time I ate White Castle, I
was only eating fish, so I think I had like, yeah,
they got fish.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
They have a good fish sandwich, they got a fish fil.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Air, And I remember the frod. I wasn't like mad
at it.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
No, I was not like, you know, I've only been
to like, you know, twice in my life, I think,
but you know, I wasn't mad at it.
Speaker 7 (05:26):
Now that we're talking about this White Castle fight. So
I do want to correct myself last week when we
were talking about the siblings, the Blood siblings, I actually misgendered.
I was trying to say they for the most part,
I was trying to say they, but I know I
flubbed a few times. But Jerry Blood is actually trans
masculine in both real life. And yeah, they're non binary
(05:49):
trans masculine person. And I hear it in the and
maybe their pronouns were used before, but I heard, uh
Jerry referenced as him in the White Castle.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Uh yeah, so when.
Speaker 7 (06:06):
Yeah, but when rise when when when they go into
the into the White Castle, Jerry is like, all right,
everybody out, you know, we're closed or whatever, and then
when they don't leave, is like he said get out
or he said they're closed. But a lot of us
use multiple pronouns or whatever.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
That's right, Yeah, okay, because that's something that like even
with uh, the one from magic Board, like they were
introduced as they and then at one point I heard
someone say get off her or she needs to do this.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Yeah, a lot of us use multiple pronouns.
Speaker 7 (06:37):
I'm she they when somebody days me, I feel warm
and fuzzy and cozy inside or whatever, you know what
I'm saying, Like it's it's a it's a very important thing.
So it's not uncommon to use flex pronouns.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
It's not as many people as I can, just because you.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
Know, yeah, I try to do right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah for sure. So I tried to do that last week.
But I think there was a time where I missgendered them.
So I want to mention that. And and then I
in my research of this in the comics, are they
you want to talk about them in in the comics
a little bit?
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Are they brothers?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
And I guess they're aliens, you know, like be you know.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Who knows I saw them. I saw them referenced repeatedly
as brothers, So I.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Thought they call the Brothers. Chad called the Blood Siblings. Yeah,
I mean, but they're aliens.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
You know, who knows?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
They're red skinned aliens. They were created by Jim Starling
and they're very much alien. They don't ever, as far
as I know, even interact with anyone on Earth. So
they pretty much just took the name and you know,
use it on other characters. Gotcha, And I've seen that,
I'm not I've seen two sides of the story, so
I don't know which one is true. Because in the
(07:51):
slug is from Mad and in the comics there is
one slug that I know of who is this giant,
fat white man who is a crime boss and fought
with Captain America and Captain America's uh side kid named Nomad,
and when I knew them, but then someone said that
there's another slug in the comics who this one is
based off of.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I'm not one hundred percent sure.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I don't know if they just took the white Man's
slug and flipped it like they did with the Blood Brothers,
or there's another slug that is based off of I'm
not that there was.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
There was an exchange in the White Castle again, which
I thought, again just the social commentary of the show,
whether that over or not. When the we just said
the siblings, they were saying, you know, when you know
the news comes and they talk about your death, and
and Reeve said, my death won't.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Make the news.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, I was like, like for her to have to
say that.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
And then again that's when it came back again from me,
Jen he said, when you keep talking about how we
get to remember she's a child, She's a child. That's
when it came back for a child to be saying
that I'm black child.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
That he's saying, I was like, ugh, Like that also
says something to how much people know about her as ironheart,
you know, like we were saying, I don't think the
whole Conda stuff is very well know, that's not if
it was known, like you know, like the Avengers are
known that fought off Thanos or fought off the thing
in New York, I think more people would know about
her dying in a white castle.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Right, And she's a genius.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
I think, yeah, yeah, that's true what you say, Chris
about it was a genius.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
You know, no genius is getting killed in the White Castle.
But not make the news. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
I mean, she wasn't she a Scott What about the
like is it the episode one or two?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
She's a black genius? Still, like, black girl gets shot
in white Castle.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
I think it would make it would make the local.
It would make the local black paper for sure. But yeah,
so she's she's also witnessed so many people die that
she knows how that goes.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
She had made the news right.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
It spoke to her relationship with death as a black
girl from Chicago living in Chicago, which.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Is Heregarian, Natalie didn't make the news right.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
And and and that I everything y'all just said I
just thought about in that moment. And then that also
made it hard to take use like she was just
telling her truth and I was just like, fuck for
you to have to even deal with that thought, which
is what we deal with all the time as black
people in America.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
So I did.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And before we get I mean, we were talking about it,
but like one thing we didn't talk about was the
two fights. Well before the two fights is dimension of
Dormammu in the scene, and you know, Zelma was saying
that it's Dormamu who's controlling everything or behind the hood.
And what did y'all feel about that?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I thought it was funny because we know that's not
the case. I already knew her jumping. I'm like, that's
not fucking Dormamu. Like we trained dealt with Dormama already.
He played his ass.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Yeah, how many times he did that that scene over
and over again against him, Remember in the movie where
he just kept bargaining with him, like literally maybe nine
hundred and ninety nine thousand times or.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Some shit like that.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
He already played his ass and Dormama say, get the
fuck out of my house. So we knew Dormamu had
nothing to do with this. I did anyway, dor.
Speaker 7 (10:59):
Mamu look like a nigga in one of those hotel pamphlets.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
That's how deep the hotel bullshit can get.
Speaker 7 (11:06):
Where you annually, where you're not looking at a comic book,
you're looking at her for real as black fucking literature. Okay,
and it's fucking black people passing these fucking pamphlets around
with aliens and shit in them.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Okay, anyway, coming soon, Oh oh.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
God, we got pat that.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
But I just want to get back and I'm going
to fast forward a bit just so that we can
get through. But really like it was several things that
other things and more like these realization points right cause
Brand and the heroes.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Are this episode we need to talk about.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Yeah, some big so we talked so you mentioned it earlier, Well, no,
maybe a few EPs ago. He was just like, you know,
the mom asked, why are you doing this irons man
suit and the iron suit?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Excuse me?
Speaker 4 (11:49):
And Rev says, because I could, And then you know,
she makes sure dig deeper. And that's what we're seeing
that happened over and over this episode where it's just
like like Rea Re.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Again, she's going through so much.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Yes, she's a child, and it's so much to calculate
and interrogate in her mind, in her in her spirit
about everything happening, and it's stuff that she still has
not come to turns. But she has not come to
terms with the death of her stepfather, the death of
her best friend, the way that whole shit happened, which
was traumatic. She has not come to terms with none
of that shit and allowed herself to heal from or
(12:20):
even begin to heal from.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
At least that's how I see.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
She's still suffering deeply from it and she actually when
her mother like kind of pushes her to talk a
little bit more, she goes into why she what she says,
the reason why she wanted it when she says, you know,
the paramedics came one minute too late, and if I
was able to you know, they was there right, because
remember that's her premise. When she talks to the MIT people,
they said, well why are you doing this? They said,
this is going to revolutionize, you know, the the medical industry,
(12:44):
or does no one to revolutionize emergency care and all
that stuff. It's really because that was her way. She
can't turn change time she needed. She wanted to save them,
and this is her, I guess, retroactive way of potentially
being able to do something to say them, Like Reebe's
whole thing is about I need to do something I can,
so I should, and in that moment she couldn't. So
(13:06):
now she's been reconciling with that thought for so long
since that happened, don't I'm not quite sure when that
that that incident happened, but she's been reconciling with that
this whole time, on top of being at war and
this and this and that. So I just think, like
you you see that happening a lot this episode, like
towards This is also episode where her mom brings her
(13:28):
back to the garage and you know, Natalie Ai shows
her that imagery, that video of when Reebe was a
child dancing with her father, you know, having the good times,
and you.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
See Reevee's like turn that shit off. At first, she don't.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Even want to deal with it again, just not being
able to come to terms that it's too hurtful, it's
too much, but then being able to sit with it,
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I think that's the best scene in this show.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Yeah, it's beautiful, it's it's incredible.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
And that's a great that's a great needle drop with
that that Leon Bridges and I think maybe you guys
might have touched on a previous episode, but like the
needle drops on here are really great too. And I
I really I'm a sucker for dad stuff, especially after
my dad died. But like that was just a pure
moment with a black man and his kid. That's powerful
(14:18):
and her and like Tatiana, like you mentioned her not
wanting to deal with it and Natalie saying, hey, no,
you gotta you have to face this. You have to
see this because if you forget what did she say?
What's I forget the.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Line, but don't want to forget this.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Right, it's a powerful scene.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
And it's like and I think and and to our
discussion about the emotional intelligence, I think that's where the
shift is. And then that's where you see the you
see community come in, you see all that, all that,
all that, those really great montages. But I think that's
where you see her shift. I think that's where you
see her actually come to a realization to want to
(15:02):
do better until his episode six. But you know, like
I really thought that was a powerful scene.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Now I second, dad, I thought it was very powerful scene.
And again this shows said when people have these criticisms
of the show where they're like it's not well, wait,
it's not well directed. I'm gonna look at this montage
just really incredibly well done. Having all these characters come
back around, who were you know, some of them were introduced,
like the little boy in the first episode, and to
have him come back around and be part of this
(15:29):
community that uplift three read and just to show the
blackness and that you know, of a black community coming together,
like you said, the black dad with his daughter I mean,
the super emotional just everything was I thought that was
also great and also a really great contrast to one
(15:49):
of my big problems with this episode and how.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
The Hood deals with his community. But I'll get to
that in a second.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Less anyone else had anything else to say on that
montage scene and all that.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
That's where I keep going.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Then all right, well this is where you know me
and said definitely had you know, disagreemental discussions about last
week how to queer representation is on this show and
this episode where when I was like, well, we could
have saved some of that criticism, because this is where
I fully agree with you, Like my Manhood just basically
puts the whole queer contingent on the elevator and sends
(16:25):
them away and they do not return.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
I'm laughing because it was like I was rolling on
my second rewatch.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
That's when I realized this ship. I'm like, wait a minute,
they're not an episode sick. The last we see him
is get on this elevator pof.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
All of y'all tries on his fit and he says
that was the last fucking straw for him.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
He said, fuck noah. It was like a Martin episode
where he.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Goes, now get the stepping, like.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Fucking kicked them all the fuck out and said.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Jackal, and they don't like, they don't show up again
to help out reread nothing.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
You know, it's just like, get the funk out of
this series. You literally do.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Not see them again.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Literally they even show like at the clown presses the button,
they show the slow mold.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
That's enough of that.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
And again I have to agree with you, Jay, because
like a lot of the marketing has featured them so
prominently where it's really ridiculous that they get sent away
like this and how they've been dealt with throughout this
whole series. So yeah, I was like, we could have
saved that, because you know, it wholeheartedly deserved it in
that moment.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
That was well it deserved it when I said it.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
But but yes, everybody else, everybody saw it. That was
a that was a physical, physical manifestation of that, especially
with the elevator clothes.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
It was like you see on their faces staring ahead,
and it's.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Just like I was just like, like, like I said,
the second watch, I was laughing, like, dam they ceremoniously
ushered them out text.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
They don't show up again.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
And I was just like clown on his face.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Keep it was also Clown investigating him, you know, because
Clown starts looking into the whole rampage thing and questions him.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah, now I do the character.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
I love her character, Clown Clown to the end Rider died.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
All right, Yeah, well, you know, also trying to blow
up in his episode.
Speaker 7 (18:30):
She thought she thought that re Re killed She was
told that re Re killed John. She's a writer, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
And job, she's a like and she wrote she wrote
that whole We didn't we didn't mention this.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
But quickly in episode five, we see her have a code,
you know what I'm saying, because yeah, because she's asked
about that white man if he killed Red.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Yeah, it is asking and she co signs it. And
she knows she watched re walk away alive.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
Yeah, but she's still she knows something weird is up.
This is when her antennas go up. This is when
it's like, Okay, this is not really what I thought
it was. This man is not who I thought he was.
And so you know, we get into the bottom of
things or whatever.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
I think it's enjoys abusive relationships because she burned up.
Speaker 7 (19:23):
You're gonna make me say something I didn't want to say.
I'm gonna have to say it now. I'm gonna have
to say it.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Well, first, say what you mean real quick?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I mean, she burned up her excess car. She's definitely
that type of you.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
Know, we don't know what happened with that relationship, but
that toxic. Sure, anything that ends in that kind of
violence is toxic. But we also don't know what she
was getting her lock back for. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I know that I'm not saying it. I'm just saying, yeah, sure, sure.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Lots of us have been in toxic relationship we have, right.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
And lots of don't burn up cars. But I also
think that just John banging her head into the thing,
that that's where I'm kind of like you drew the
line like brother or cold or not like John.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
You know, physically abused you. Like That's where I'm like, nah,
you don't you know like fuck that, you know, like.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
You also know how abuse works, right, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
What I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Like, and that's what that's what I say about clown
where it's like and that's what I also said about
the crew. They were also a crew who was willing
to go along with that. That's not what Tatiana was
saying about it, But that's what I'm saying. But say
what you're saying about abuse and how abuse works.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Well, just in the fact that, like I know what
you said, Like yes, from a logic one point one
equals two perspective, someone bangs your head into the floor,
you would be.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Like fuck that.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
But that's not how that works in that type of relationship.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
If and again, if we don't know all the details
about Clown, but in that type of situation, and particularly
when you are the victim in that situation, you're not
going to see it in that light.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
You're not that that that that doesn't equate to you.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
If anything, that I'm not even gonna say what she
may have even taken that ass But the point is
that that did come to the same conclusion that you did,
but not in that type of relationship because because it
could have been a higher deeper relationship.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Than you knew of and she's going to give what
you would see as a past.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Or something like that.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
But that's what That's exactly what I am saying. But
I also do say that Clown had a problem with
it earlier. You know, she addressed John, she was like, Yo,
this fucked up.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
You know. So that's why I'm like her, She's I
don't I just don't know exactly where she was. Like.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I get she defended Rere in that moment, but I
also don't understand why she didn't, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
More so, you know, have an issue with the whole
crew as it is.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
I'm gonna say it. I think we're being hard on
her because she's a black girl.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
I think that that's I think that that's the association
of her as Yeah, I think we're being she of
all the characters, right, of all those villains right in
or we'll call them villains, Of all the villains in
that crew, she is the one that we get the
most amount of nuance and depth with, And I feel
(21:56):
I just don't see how somebody could how we can
see her as I don't know she was To me,
she was the most humanized, at least the way that
she was written, she was the most humanized.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
She was given the most depth.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
And it feels like talking about her, not that we
should not talk about black girls black villains as villains, right,
but I feel like we're being a little bit heavy handed,
and I feel like we're being heavy handed because she's
a black girl. Well this is I'm Chris, I'm talking
about We talked about this last episode together as well.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
It's not just this episode.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
From this though, I'll say that they're the henchmen, and
I think there a lot of them are talented. I
think this Sonya Denise, who played Clown, was just good
because when I saw that moment, that moment when when
Parker was questioning them, and I was like because because
in that moment, I was like, oh shit, he knows
(22:52):
it's something. He knows that she's still alive. And then
when she said, yeah, we took care of her and
we did this and we did that, and like, did
he believe that?
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I don't know, but.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Go ahead, sorry you were talking.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
I think these are I think sending them down the elevator,
I think it's just like a weird way of getting
rid of the quote unquote bumbling henchmen. Where I thought
that White Castle scene was pretty compelling, the way she
eluded them and everything, and I was happy that she.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Made, you know, light work of them into a to
a certain degree. But those are the quintessential benchmen people buy.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Yeah, I personally like I didn't. I wasn't tough for
none of them.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I was just like that they are who they are,
and they were chosen for their skill set in crime.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
At the end of the day, I felt that clown, yes,
she may have exhibited the most, was written anyway to
exhibit the most out of all of them in terms
of humanity. At the same time, she was also written,
in my view, to be a pyromaniac and an anarchist. Yeah,
and whe whether whatever you feel about anarchy is, you know,
everybody else's business.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
But like me, I'm just like, Okay, Crime's great plug.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
They off the bat, they said, I'm from madrophor Madrophort
is basically a land of villains.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
So I just thought, okay, Crime.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
And then the Twins or the Tiplings, all they wanted
to do was fucking have a fight club.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
They were found a club and they wanted to build
another fight club.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
At least they're consistent. But even in a little bit
of backstory, we got they was doing this ship illegally.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Crime, So all I saw was henchman.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Yeah, it's not fair necessarily, because again, this was all
concentrated within a queer group of people.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
But that's what I got.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
From yeah, And I think for me, the distinction comes
when we start talking about like somebody's character versus them
being a criminal, versus them being because I feel like
what we were shown about.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
Her character is that her character is bigger.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
And broader and more expansive and nuanced than just being
a henchman. And what some of the conversation has been
in the last review and a little bit of this
one is about her character. And that's when it starts
to feel like we're being a little heavy handed with
her because she's a black girl.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
And I want to move on, but I just say, well,
I will agree to disagree here because I don't feel
like I'm being heavy handed on her because she's a
black girl. I just think that her I'm asking a question,
like her character is very interesting to me, Like John
beats on her, but then she's willing to blow up
reread over John, and that's you know, that's interesting. That's like, yeah,
(25:44):
and I said that last week. I don't like that comparison,
and I don't like the term reprimanded.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
But I don't like I don't like that shit either
I want I don't like it.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
I was told parallels, I believe, I believe, Yes, I
believe it's a bad I believe it's a bad.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
Productive it's a productive comparison.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
I would you can you can still just because just
because a character is a bad person or a criminal.
It's the same way we we we liked Walter White,
we lost, we liked Tony Soprano.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Not not the same who is.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Jamie Lanister? And he would have been on your side.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
I'm sorry I didn't watch that show, but the same,
But the same way critics lauded Omar or any of
these characters that were considered bad who were breaking rules. Yes, okay,
so you can have empathy for them, you can have
compassion for him. It's a testament to the work that
(26:59):
these acts are doing. It's not you can you can
feel everybody has team this person, team that person. But
it's these characters in the world of this show really
is the hero. These other people.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Are are not.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Thank you, thank you Chris. You know.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I said it's not right. I said that it's not
called that you can like.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
I like my favor the best to me, one of
the best actors on the show Manny Montana cousin John
a bad guy not a good guy episode.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah, yeah, I guess you just again quickly close this
out this episode. Uh, that's this. We also see them.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
She gets to rebuild the iron Heart suit with the
dad's I don't know what kind of card is that?
Speaker 5 (27:57):
A Camaro?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Whatever that car is.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Rod the man we're supposed to be like, Oh, I
I can tell you how to fix a steak, but
I don't know about that. I can change a tire, Yeah,
I can do that. That's about it.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Great, great, no maxillating please.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
They imbue the ironheartsuit with magic, which accidentally racist Natalie a. I.
Parker's dad is a horrible, no good, very bad man
on top of any things.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah, I want to mention that real quick.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Yeah it looks great, yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Right, and dressed down, but it is not quite the
best father. Because that's what you said we said early.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
No, no, no, you're talking about re Resood, right, he
wasn't talking about was incredible. Nobody remembers what that man
was wearing.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
I remember that.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
He's a horrible father.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Let's talk about the dad for a time. That get Yeah,
we meet him in five. We meet him five him,
this is one thing.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
And the interaction happens with Parker, Yeah, oh no, you're.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Right, and I have I have, I have my notes.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
When he has an orgasm when he sits down in
his dad's chair, Oh my god, I mean he did, yo,
he had a real visible reaction to sitting in that
man's chair.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
It was it was because he got everything he asked for.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Thought but on the second second, watch it again.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Second came on my second watched it the second time.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
The third time, he's like, he does, Chris, Chris, I
want to go to you real quick.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Because you said this earlier about trauma being a very
center point of this series. We see the trauma front
and center, with his dad not giving a fuck about
Parker since he was twelve. Apparently after the mom died,
he said, I never really liked you anyway, nigga, get
the fuck.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Out my house.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
So dynamic was way and I'm just like, is this
the Disney thing where they just like all the parents
are trash like it's so fucked up.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, it's. It gives you a reason his he's for
why he is the way he is, or at least
one of them.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
His dad didn't love him, and he never got that
acceptance because he wanted to be stupid, dumb, rich, empower,
he nasty, crazy. I ain't never heard that that was
that was that was a lot, but you know he
(30:24):
wanted so just it was just a testament to that's
that's the reason why he is the way he is
and making him a super villain, his evil ass dad.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
I want to know if they get tired of looking
alike in real life. Okay, they look like family. And
from the moment we saw that man's face because they
flashed to his face in an earlier episode, I'm like,
so that's his.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Dad, So I know immediately, yes, yes, you have him.
Speaker 7 (30:58):
As I said last episode, you have thehood walking around
with his African face and hiss.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Then you show.
Speaker 7 (31:07):
Right African, but it's this it's an African face that
he has. Then you have his black dad show up.
This is the only black dad outside OF's dad who
shows up. Well, he's a black man. He's an older
black man with freckles. I'm like, oh, Dad, I knew
immediately that was his dad. Uh And then yeah, and
then he shows up. They need I need to see
them in a full separate series. B Dad and and
(31:28):
father because that was excellent casting.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
It was he is Puerto Rican and of African indigenous descent, so.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Well he has a whole African face.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
So yes, I'm about the dad.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
I know.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I know you're right, Yeah, has.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
An African face.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, but they do look until you pointed it.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Out, they do.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
No, You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I hate involved with you know it? Bro? Yeah? Damn
like hate pure Yeah. Okay, Well where y'all like y'all
like Hamilton.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
No, I just want to know. I want to see
your resume and all the places that you work, because
I'm sure it's places that are questionable on this what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I mean, you know, I'm saying water.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
From where I got to work cake, you know, like
that off of you know, something like that. I can
say that profounding you know, and you know, hey, how
much K do you need? Is all I can say.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
You know.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
The dad Dad said you was a liability. I didn't
want you. Doesn't that he said them words.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Like that? You it was like it was I don't
want you, like it was ugly.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
It's almost really like it was something the most differentspects
Like I've heard a lot.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Of you know, bad dads and I didn't want you.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, but it was like that, like he was just like,
get the funk out of here, Like yeah, just like,
why are you even here? Dude? Didn't you get the
message after thirty years?
Speaker 4 (32:58):
You know?
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, it was yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
And then you know, and it ends, as you y'all said,
it ends with him getting what he wants. And according
to Ben him, you know, I.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Mean, he definitely has a viscile reaction to he does.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
I think that might just be his the influence of
what's going on.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
I'm exaggerating for comedic effect, but you know, my man
has a you know, he sits in the chair and.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
He feels it.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
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What's up.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
You're listening to four All Nerds. And on this episode,
we talked about episode five of Iron Heart, in which
White Castle tries to compete with waffle House.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
For best fight ever.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
The first thing that hit me on SO five was
that when they was first of all, this was the
Battle Royale in White Castle.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
I was just I love that.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Okay, people have been upset about that.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Why well, like for people who have seen everything like us,
because that was like one of the things where they're
like this, they could have fought in I don't know,
the Chicago Fast Food or us that's in Chicago.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
I mean it's also in New York. So yeah, that's
the thing. Are those people who were complaining from Chicago.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Then to fight?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
And what's that the name of the hot spot?
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Chicken?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Harold Chicken, Harold Chicken. Yeah, Harold don't have that much.
I've never been in Harolds. It's so good.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
That's not what the was wrong with.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
First of all, white cous will probably pay that bread to.
Speaker 6 (01:13):
Get but let me, can I say something about this?
So I feel like, I don't know, white Castle kind
of screwed themselves because she throws up her White Castle.
I was like let's be real exactly, That's what I'm saying,
Like it's one or the other, it's gonna come out.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
No shade, shade the white Castle. I grew up with
that white.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Castle as a Estonian dog. I never like white Castle
was saying that rappers talked about. That was not a
did you'll have a white house?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Maybe not you in Houston, but down sow they have
thing called crystals and the States, which is almost equivalent.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
To we have water burger.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Yeah I'm not We're talking about very particular type of burger.
We're talking about that, well, not white Castle.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
You know, we're talking about sliders.
Speaker 7 (02:14):
Were talking about slag, But did y'all have sliders?
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Did you have a place to have sliders?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
No?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Nothing.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Sliders was the thing that like, it wasn't until like
very recently in my life that I was like, okay,
you know, like yeah, you know yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Black castles up north of New York.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I didn't even realize they did it like that in
Chicago's When I saw it, I was like, well that's familiar,
but yeah, this fight happening, you know again, I felt like.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I was on a teching stage.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
It was.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I loved it so random and like it was in
the neighborhood. It wasn't like some random set piece. It
wasn't on top of the tallest tower. It was on
the ground in a fucking restaurant that happened to be
on the strip where you be at.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Like that makes sense to me.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
All white castles look alike to so like the one
that I've been in, you know, the same familion.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Familiarity to remember. I think I gotta say this, the
show is very black white. I'm not saying only white
black people go to White Castle because they love White
Castle in Japan, I'm gonna tell you that.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
But black people know White Castle.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
When you see that, especially from a certain region anyway,
and when you see that ship.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Is like I know that I know that place. That's
for real.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
The first time I had White Castle was I was
living I lived in Chicago. I used to work at
Best Buy and we used to have six am meetings
on Saturdays, and after those meetings we'd all go to
White Castle. So that definitely is a Chicago for your thing.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
So it's you.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Said, after six am, whats they.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Was there in the morning? We were up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
We went to one get them breakfast sandwiches right there and.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Cheese burgers on your rings at six.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
Am, seven eight, but not the best.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
It was just funny that White Castle.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
It was just like it was so it was it
was random, but it wasn't because it was just like, oh,
White Castle, you know what they're doing. They're ruining your
restaurant and the lead character is the lead character threw
up your food.
Speaker 7 (04:16):
Were talking about it, but up some White Castle, right
I had weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
In fact, White Castle has become integral and pieces of
black culture because they helped the fund tew far so.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
He really.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
So yeah, you got to look at that story of
White Castle and how that came to be, like literally,
would you help?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
And it was like.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
That's dope, that's dope.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (04:43):
I just remember like it just just as a kid
going to the White Castle on Boston Road in the
Bronx and you could just get what felt like mad
food because everything is tiny. It just felt like, yo,
we're about to have a feast.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
I could get.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
I could get more than French fries as a side.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I was so like, that's me.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
But my first experience for White CAUs I was like,
what you know, they brought out sliders.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I was like, Okay, this is interesting.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
That was nasty.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Well what By the time I ate White Castle, I
was only eating fish, so I think I had like, yeah,
they got fish.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
They have a good fish sandwich, they got a fish fil.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Air, And I remember the frod. I wasn't like mad
at it.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
No, I was not like, you know, I've only been
to like, you know, twice in my life, I think,
but you know, I wasn't mad at it.
Speaker 7 (05:26):
Now that we're talking about this White Castle fight. So
I do want to correct myself last week when we
were talking about the siblings, the Blood siblings, I actually misgendered.
I was trying to say they for the most part,
I was trying to say they, but I know I
flubbed a few times. But Jerry Blood is actually trans
masculine in both real life. And yeah, they're non binary
(05:49):
trans masculine person. And I hear it in the and
maybe their pronouns were used before, but I heard, uh
Jerry referenced as him in the White Castle.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Uh yeah, so when.
Speaker 7 (06:06):
Yeah, but when rise when when when they go into
the into the White Castle, Jerry is like, all right,
everybody out, you know, we're closed or whatever, and then
when they don't leave, is like he said get out
or he said they're closed. But a lot of us
use multiple pronouns or whatever.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
That's right, Yeah, okay, because that's something that like even
with uh, the one from magic Board, like they were
introduced as they and then at one point I heard
someone say get off her or she needs to do this.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Yeah, a lot of us use multiple pronouns.
Speaker 7 (06:37):
I'm she they when somebody days me, I feel warm
and fuzzy and cozy inside or whatever, you know what
I'm saying, Like it's it's a it's a very important thing.
So it's not uncommon to use flex pronouns.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
It's not as many people as I can, just because you.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
Know, yeah, I try to do right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah for sure. So I tried to do that last week.
But I think there was a time where I missgendered them.
So I want to mention that. And and then I
in my research of this in the comics, are they
you want to talk about them in in the comics
a little bit?
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Are they brothers?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
And I guess they're aliens, you know, like be you know.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Who knows I saw them. I saw them referenced repeatedly
as brothers, So I.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Thought they call the Brothers. Chad called the Blood Siblings. Yeah,
I mean, but they're aliens.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
You know, who knows?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
They're red skinned aliens. They were created by Jim Starling
and they're very much alien. They don't ever, as far
as I know, even interact with anyone on Earth. So
they pretty much just took the name and you know,
use it on other characters. Gotcha, And I've seen that,
I'm not I've seen two sides of the story, so
I don't know which one is true. Because in the
(07:51):
slug is from Mad and in the comics there is
one slug that I know of who is this giant,
fat white man who is a crime boss and fought
with Captain America and Captain America's uh side kid named Nomad,
and when I knew them, but then someone said that
there's another slug in the comics who this one is
based off of.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I'm not one hundred percent sure.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I don't know if they just took the white Man's
slug and flipped it like they did with the Blood Brothers,
or there's another slug that is based off of I'm
not that there was.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
There was an exchange in the White Castle again, which
I thought, again just the social commentary of the show,
whether that over or not. When the we just said
the siblings, they were saying, you know, when you know
the news comes and they talk about your death, and
and Reeve said, my death won't.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Make the news.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, I was like, like for her to have to
say that.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
And then again that's when it came back again from me,
Jen he said, when you keep talking about how we
get to remember she's a child, She's a child. That's
when it came back for a child to be saying
that I'm black child.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
That he's saying, I was like, ugh, Like that also
says something to how much people know about her as ironheart,
you know, like we were saying, I don't think the
whole Conda stuff is very well know, that's not if
it was known, like you know, like the Avengers are
known that fought off Thanos or fought off the thing
in New York, I think more people would know about
her dying in a white castle.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Right, And she's a genius.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
I think, yeah, yeah, that's true what you say, Chris
about it was a genius.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
You know, no genius is getting killed in the White Castle.
But not make the news. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
I mean, she wasn't she a Scott What about the
like is it the episode one or two?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
She's a black genius? Still, like, black girl gets shot
in white Castle.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
I think it would make it would make the local.
It would make the local black paper for sure. But yeah,
so she's she's also witnessed so many people die that
she knows how that goes.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
She had made the news right.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
It spoke to her relationship with death as a black
girl from Chicago living in Chicago, which.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Is Heregarian, Natalie didn't make the news right.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
And and and that I everything y'all just said I
just thought about in that moment. And then that also
made it hard to take use like she was just
telling her truth and I was just like, fuck for
you to have to even deal with that thought, which
is what we deal with all the time as black
people in America.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
So I did.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And before we get I mean, we were talking about it,
but like one thing we didn't talk about was the
two fights. Well before the two fights is dimension of
Dormammu in the scene, and you know, Zelma was saying
that it's Dormamu who's controlling everything or behind the hood.
And what did y'all feel about that?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I thought it was funny because we know that's not
the case. I already knew her jumping. I'm like, that's
not fucking Dormamu. Like we trained dealt with Dormama already.
He played his ass.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Yeah, how many times he did that that scene over
and over again against him, Remember in the movie where
he just kept bargaining with him, like literally maybe nine
hundred and ninety nine thousand times or.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Some shit like that.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
He already played his ass and Dormama say, get the
fuck out of my house. So we knew Dormamu had
nothing to do with this. I did anyway, dor.
Speaker 7 (10:59):
Mamu look like a nigga in one of those hotel pamphlets.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
That's how deep the hotel bullshit can get.
Speaker 7 (11:06):
Where you annually, where you're not looking at a comic book,
you're looking at her for real as black fucking literature. Okay,
and it's fucking black people passing these fucking pamphlets around
with aliens and shit in them.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Okay, anyway, coming soon, Oh oh.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
God, we got pat that.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
But I just want to get back and I'm going
to fast forward a bit just so that we can
get through. But really like it was several things that
other things and more like these realization points right cause
Brand and the heroes.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Are this episode we need to talk about.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Yeah, some big so we talked so you mentioned it earlier, Well, no,
maybe a few EPs ago. He was just like, you know,
the mom asked, why are you doing this irons man
suit and the iron suit?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Excuse me?
Speaker 4 (11:49):
And Rev says, because I could, And then you know,
she makes sure dig deeper. And that's what we're seeing
that happened over and over this episode where it's just
like like Rea Re.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Again, she's going through so much.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Yes, she's a child, and it's so much to calculate
and interrogate in her mind, in her in her spirit
about everything happening, and it's stuff that she still has
not come to turns. But she has not come to
terms with the death of her stepfather, the death of
her best friend, the way that whole shit happened, which
was traumatic. She has not come to terms with none
of that shit and allowed herself to heal from or
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even begin to heal from.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
At least that's how I see.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
She's still suffering deeply from it and she actually when
her mother like kind of pushes her to talk a
little bit more, she goes into why she what she says,
the reason why she wanted it when she says, you know,
the paramedics came one minute too late, and if I
was able to you know, they was there right, because
remember that's her premise. When she talks to the MIT people,
they said, well why are you doing this? They said,
this is going to revolutionize, you know, the the medical industry,
(12:44):
or does no one to revolutionize emergency care and all
that stuff. It's really because that was her way. She
can't turn change time she needed. She wanted to save them,
and this is her, I guess, retroactive way of potentially
being able to do something to say them, Like Reebe's
whole thing is about I need to do something I can,
so I should, and in that moment she couldn't. So
(13:06):
now she's been reconciling with that thought for so long
since that happened, don't I'm not quite sure when that
that that incident happened, but she's been reconciling with that
this whole time, on top of being at war and
this and this and that. So I just think, like
you you see that happening a lot this episode, like
towards This is also episode where her mom brings her
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back to the garage and you know, Natalie Ai shows
her that imagery, that video of when Reebe was a
child dancing with her father, you know, having the good times,
and you.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
See Reevee's like turn that shit off. At first, she don't.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Even want to deal with it again, just not being
able to come to terms that it's too hurtful, it's
too much, but then being able to sit with it,
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I think that's the best scene in this show.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Yeah, it's beautiful, it's it's incredible.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
And that's a great that's a great needle drop with
that that Leon Bridges and I think maybe you guys
might have touched on a previous episode, but like the
needle drops on here are really great too. And I
I really I'm a sucker for dad stuff, especially after
my dad died. But like that was just a pure
moment with a black man and his kid. That's powerful
(14:18):
and her and like Tatiana, like you mentioned her not
wanting to deal with it and Natalie saying, hey, no,
you gotta you have to face this. You have to
see this because if you forget what did she say?
What's I forget the.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Line, but don't want to forget this.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Right, it's a powerful scene.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
And it's like and I think and and to our
discussion about the emotional intelligence, I think that's where the
shift is. And then that's where you see the you
see community come in, you see all that, all that,
all that, those really great montages. But I think that's
where you see her shift. I think that's where you
see her actually come to a realization to want to
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do better until his episode six. But you know, like
I really thought that was a powerful scene.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Now I second, dad, I thought it was very powerful scene.
And again this shows said when people have these criticisms
of the show where they're like it's not well, wait,
it's not well directed. I'm gonna look at this montage
just really incredibly well done. Having all these characters come
back around, who were you know, some of them were introduced,
like the little boy in the first episode, and to
have him come back around and be part of this
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community that uplift three read and just to show the
blackness and that you know, of a black community coming together,
like you said, the black dad with his daughter I mean,
the super emotional just everything was I thought that was
also great and also a really great contrast to one
(15:49):
of my big problems with this episode and how.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
The Hood deals with his community. But I'll get to
that in a second.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Less anyone else had anything else to say on that
montage scene and all that.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
That's where I keep going.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Then all right, well this is where you know me
and said definitely had you know, disagreemental discussions about last
week how to queer representation is on this show and
this episode where when I was like, well, we could
have saved some of that criticism, because this is where
I fully agree with you, Like my Manhood just basically
puts the whole queer contingent on the elevator and sends
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them away and they do not return.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
I'm laughing because it was like I was rolling on
my second rewatch.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
That's when I realized this ship. I'm like, wait a minute,
they're not an episode sick. The last we see him
is get on this elevator pof.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
All of y'all tries on his fit and he says
that was the last fucking straw for him.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
He said, fuck noah. It was like a Martin episode
where he.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Goes, now get the stepping, like.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Fucking kicked them all the fuck out and said.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Jackal, and they don't like, they don't show up again
to help out reread nothing.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
You know, it's just like, get the funk out of
this series. You literally do.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Not see them again.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Literally they even show like at the clown presses the button,
they show the slow mold.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
That's enough of that.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
And again I have to agree with you, Jay, because
like a lot of the marketing has featured them so
prominently where it's really ridiculous that they get sent away
like this and how they've been dealt with throughout this
whole series. So yeah, I was like, we could have
saved that, because you know, it wholeheartedly deserved it in
that moment.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
That was well it deserved it when I said it.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
But but yes, everybody else, everybody saw it. That was
a that was a physical, physical manifestation of that, especially
with the elevator clothes.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
It was like you see on their faces staring ahead,
and it's.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Just like I was just like, like, like I said,
the second watch, I was laughing, like, dam they ceremoniously
ushered them out text.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
They don't show up again.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
And I was just like clown on his face.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Keep it was also Clown investigating him, you know, because
Clown starts looking into the whole rampage thing and questions him.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah, now I do the character.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
I love her character, Clown Clown to the end Rider died.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
All right, Yeah, well, you know, also trying to blow
up in his episode.
Speaker 7 (18:30):
She thought she thought that re Re killed She was
told that re Re killed John. She's a writer, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
And job, she's a like and she wrote she wrote
that whole We didn't we didn't mention this.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
But quickly in episode five, we see her have a code,
you know what I'm saying, because yeah, because she's asked
about that white man if he killed Red.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Yeah, it is asking and she co signs it. And
she knows she watched re walk away alive.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
Yeah, but she's still she knows something weird is up.
This is when her antennas go up. This is when
it's like, Okay, this is not really what I thought
it was. This man is not who I thought he was.
And so you know, we get into the bottom of
things or whatever.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
I think it's enjoys abusive relationships because she burned up.
Speaker 7 (19:23):
You're gonna make me say something I didn't want to say.
I'm gonna have to say it now. I'm gonna have
to say it.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Well, first, say what you mean real quick?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I mean, she burned up her excess car. She's definitely
that type of you.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
Know, we don't know what happened with that relationship, but
that toxic. Sure, anything that ends in that kind of
violence is toxic. But we also don't know what she
was getting her lock back for. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I know that I'm not saying it. I'm just saying, yeah, sure, sure.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Lots of us have been in toxic relationship we have, right.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
And lots of don't burn up cars. But I also
think that just John banging her head into the thing,
that that's where I'm kind of like you drew the
line like brother or cold or not like John.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
You know, physically abused you. Like That's where I'm like, nah,
you don't you know like fuck that, you know, like.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
You also know how abuse works, right, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
What I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Like, and that's what that's what I say about clown
where it's like and that's what I also said about
the crew. They were also a crew who was willing
to go along with that. That's not what Tatiana was
saying about it, But that's what I'm saying. But say
what you're saying about abuse and how abuse works.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Well, just in the fact that, like I know what
you said, Like yes, from a logic one point one
equals two perspective, someone bangs your head into the floor,
you would be.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Like fuck that.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
But that's not how that works in that type of relationship.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
If and again, if we don't know all the details
about Clown, but in that type of situation, and particularly
when you are the victim in that situation, you're not
going to see it in that light.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
You're not that that that that doesn't equate to you.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
If anything, that I'm not even gonna say what she
may have even taken that ass But the point is
that that did come to the same conclusion that you did,
but not in that type of relationship because because it
could have been a higher deeper relationship.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Than you knew of and she's going to give what
you would see as a past.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Or something like that.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
But that's what That's exactly what I am saying. But
I also do say that Clown had a problem with
it earlier. You know, she addressed John, she was like, Yo,
this fucked up.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
You know. So that's why I'm like her, She's I
don't I just don't know exactly where she was. Like.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I get she defended Rere in that moment, but I
also don't understand why she didn't, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
More so, you know, have an issue with the whole
crew as it is.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
I'm gonna say it. I think we're being hard on
her because she's a black girl.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
I think that that's I think that that's the association
of her as Yeah, I think we're being she of
all the characters, right, of all those villains right in
or we'll call them villains, Of all the villains in
that crew, she is the one that we get the
most amount of nuance and depth with, And I feel
(21:56):
I just don't see how somebody could how we can
see her as I don't know she was To me,
she was the most humanized, at least the way that
she was written, she was the most humanized.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
She was given the most depth.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
And it feels like talking about her, not that we
should not talk about black girls black villains as villains, right,
but I feel like we're being a little bit heavy handed,
and I feel like we're being heavy handed because she's
a black girl. Well this is I'm Chris, I'm talking
about We talked about this last episode together as well.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
It's not just this episode.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
From this though, I'll say that they're the henchmen, and
I think there a lot of them are talented. I
think this Sonya Denise, who played Clown, was just good
because when I saw that moment, that moment when when
Parker was questioning them, and I was like because because
in that moment, I was like, oh shit, he knows
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it's something. He knows that she's still alive. And then
when she said, yeah, we took care of her and
we did this and we did that, and like, did
he believe that?
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I don't know, but.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Go ahead, sorry you were talking.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
I think these are I think sending them down the elevator,
I think it's just like a weird way of getting
rid of the quote unquote bumbling henchmen. Where I thought
that White Castle scene was pretty compelling, the way she
eluded them and everything, and I was happy that she.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Made, you know, light work of them into a to
a certain degree. But those are the quintessential benchmen people buy.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Yeah, I personally like I didn't. I wasn't tough for
none of them.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I was just like that they are who they are,
and they were chosen for their skill set in crime.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
At the end of the day, I felt that clown, yes,
she may have exhibited the most, was written anyway to
exhibit the most out of all of them in terms
of humanity. At the same time, she was also written,
in my view, to be a pyromaniac and an anarchist. Yeah,
and whe whether whatever you feel about anarchy is, you know,
everybody else's business.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
But like me, I'm just like, Okay, Crime's great plug.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
They off the bat, they said, I'm from madrophor Madrophort
is basically a land of villains.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
So I just thought, okay, Crime.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
And then the Twins or the Tiplings, all they wanted
to do was fucking have a fight club.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
They were found a club and they wanted to build
another fight club.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
At least they're consistent. But even in a little bit
of backstory, we got they was doing this ship illegally.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Crime, So all I saw was henchman.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Yeah, it's not fair necessarily, because again, this was all
concentrated within a queer group of people.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
But that's what I got.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
From yeah, And I think for me, the distinction comes
when we start talking about like somebody's character versus them
being a criminal, versus them being because I feel like
what we were shown about.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
Her character is that her character is bigger.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
And broader and more expansive and nuanced than just being
a henchman. And what some of the conversation has been
in the last review and a little bit of this
one is about her character. And that's when it starts
to feel like we're being a little heavy handed with
her because she's a black girl.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
And I want to move on, but I just say, well,
I will agree to disagree here because I don't feel
like I'm being heavy handed on her because she's a
black girl. I just think that her I'm asking a question,
like her character is very interesting to me, Like John
beats on her, but then she's willing to blow up
reread over John, and that's you know, that's interesting. That's like, yeah,
(25:44):
and I said that last week. I don't like that comparison,
and I don't like the term reprimanded.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
But I don't like I don't like that shit either
I want I don't like it.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
I was told parallels, I believe, I believe, Yes, I
believe it's a bad I believe it's a bad.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
Productive it's a productive comparison.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
I would you can you can still just because just
because a character is a bad person or a criminal.
It's the same way we we we liked Walter White,
we lost, we liked Tony Soprano.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Not not the same who is.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Jamie Lanister? And he would have been on your side.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
I'm sorry I didn't watch that show, but the same,
But the same way critics lauded Omar or any of
these characters that were considered bad who were breaking rules. Yes, okay,
so you can have empathy for them, you can have
compassion for him. It's a testament to the work that
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these acts are doing. It's not you can you can
feel everybody has team this person, team that person. But
it's these characters in the world of this show really
is the hero. These other people.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Are are not.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Thank you, thank you Chris. You know.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I said it's not right. I said that it's not
called that you can like.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
I like my favor the best to me, one of
the best actors on the show Manny Montana cousin John
a bad guy not a good guy episode.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah, yeah, I guess you just again quickly close this
out this episode. Uh, that's this. We also see them.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
She gets to rebuild the iron Heart suit with the
dad's I don't know what kind of card is that?
Speaker 5 (27:57):
A Camaro?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Whatever that car is.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Rod the man we're supposed to be like, Oh, I
I can tell you how to fix a steak, but
I don't know about that. I can change a tire, Yeah,
I can do that. That's about it.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Great, great, no maxillating please.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
They imbue the ironheartsuit with magic, which accidentally racist Natalie a. I.
Parker's dad is a horrible, no good, very bad man
on top of any things.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah, I want to mention that real quick.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Yeah it looks great, yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Right, and dressed down, but it is not quite the
best father. Because that's what you said we said early.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
No, no, no, you're talking about re Resood, right, he
wasn't talking about was incredible. Nobody remembers what that man
was wearing.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
I remember that.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
He's a horrible father.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Let's talk about the dad for a time. That get Yeah,
we meet him in five. We meet him five him,
this is one thing.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
And the interaction happens with Parker, Yeah, oh no, you're.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Right, and I have I have, I have my notes.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
When he has an orgasm when he sits down in
his dad's chair, Oh my god, I mean he did, yo,
he had a real visible reaction to sitting in that
man's chair.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
It was it was because he got everything he asked for.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Thought but on the second second, watch it again.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Second came on my second watched it the second time.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
The third time, he's like, he does, Chris, Chris, I
want to go to you real quick.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Because you said this earlier about trauma being a very
center point of this series. We see the trauma front
and center, with his dad not giving a fuck about
Parker since he was twelve. Apparently after the mom died,
he said, I never really liked you anyway, nigga, get
the fuck.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Out my house.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
So dynamic was way and I'm just like, is this
the Disney thing where they just like all the parents
are trash like it's so fucked up.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, it's. It gives you a reason his he's for
why he is the way he is, or at least
one of them.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
His dad didn't love him, and he never got that
acceptance because he wanted to be stupid, dumb, rich, empower,
he nasty, crazy. I ain't never heard that that was
that was that was a lot, but you know he
(30:24):
wanted so just it was just a testament to that's
that's the reason why he is the way he is
and making him a super villain, his evil ass dad.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
I want to know if they get tired of looking
alike in real life. Okay, they look like family. And
from the moment we saw that man's face because they
flashed to his face in an earlier episode, I'm like,
so that's his.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Dad, So I know immediately, yes, yes, you have him.
Speaker 7 (30:58):
As I said last episode, you have thehood walking around
with his African face and hiss.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Then you show.
Speaker 7 (31:07):
Right African, but it's this it's an African face that
he has. Then you have his black dad show up.
This is the only black dad outside OF's dad who
shows up. Well, he's a black man. He's an older
black man with freckles. I'm like, oh, Dad, I knew
immediately that was his dad. Uh And then yeah, and
then he shows up. They need I need to see
them in a full separate series. B Dad and and
(31:28):
father because that was excellent casting.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
It was he is Puerto Rican and of African indigenous descent, so.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Well he has a whole African face.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
So yes, I'm about the dad.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
I know.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I know you're right, Yeah, has.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
An African face.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, but they do look until you pointed it.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Out, they do.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
No, You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I hate involved with you know it? Bro? Yeah? Damn
like hate pure Yeah. Okay, Well where y'all like y'all
like Hamilton.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
No, I just want to know. I want to see
your resume and all the places that you work, because
I'm sure it's places that are questionable on this what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I mean, you know, I'm saying water.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
From where I got to work cake, you know, like
that off of you know, something like that. I can
say that profounding you know, and you know, hey, how
much K do you need? Is all I can say.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
You know.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
The dad Dad said you was a liability. I didn't
want you. Doesn't that he said them words.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Like that? You it was like it was I don't
want you, like it was ugly.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
It's almost really like it was something the most differentspects
Like I've heard a lot.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Of you know, bad dads and I didn't want you.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, but it was like that, like he was just like,
get the funk out of here, Like yeah, just like,
why are you even here? Dude? Didn't you get the
message after thirty years?
Speaker 4 (32:58):
You know?
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, it was yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
And then you know, and it ends, as you y'all said,
it ends with him getting what he wants. And according
to Ben him, you know, I.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Mean, he definitely has a viscile reaction to he does.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
I think that might just be his the influence of
what's going on.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
I'm exaggerating for comedic effect, but you know, my man
has a you know, he sits in the chair and.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
He feels it.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
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