July 7, 2025 • 22 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey and Anette. This is Tatiana King of for All Nerds.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
And on this episode we review episode four of Ironheart
where we watched Ezekiel Stain become white Lightning tragedy.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
So let's keep moving. We want to talk about episode four.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
And he talked about choices, Ben and that terrible ass
repass was a choice?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Why was it terrible?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
They didn't really do it?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Do it right?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
For my man's.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
John John, they had a lot more money, like they
definitely have dollars right now, like they have funds.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
And they sat him in the barn, ordered.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Some l that was out the boxes. They an't even.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Play the.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Shakeoola's Catherin from Madicpoor Magic Poor showed up and said,
so can y'all say.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Something nice about John Tving and b and.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Doing criminal activities for who knows years at this point?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Months has he been months?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I think it's been months?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Is you doing crimes with your hood red friends for
three four five months?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You had nothing nice to say about each other. And
they looked at each other like.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Clown headfirst into the table like episodes ago. You know,
you know she was she was not was just like well, I.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Can't say it was terrible. They hated that.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Nigga bad Like.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I think he's one of the best actors on the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
oh yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
I remember seeing him in Good Girls and just his
his presence. You almost kind of think about him him
being the Hood a little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
But I think that is the right casting.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
Because it's it's he's somebody who I guess he I
don't know the age in real life, but he reads older.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah, And why the why Hood would.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
Look up to him Parker, Parker would look up to
him and just and and really so his death and
I think one of the things that I appreciate about
this series as a whole. It's a mini series, and
it treats it treats things like a mini series where
like anybody can get it, and just because you like
this character, just because this character is is Oh I
(02:25):
like this character, and it's like, oh, he's gone now,
and now everybody has to deal with the aftermath of
his death. And it's something that you know, I think
trauma is a really big thing in this show, which
I was pleasantly like astounded by, you know, for a
lot of characters, not just really yeah for them.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I'm glad you mentioned that about trauma being like a
huge theme along this this mini series, because first of all,
that's a deeper theme that's not often visited in Marvel
projects one on and then certainly not one that that
has a short by at least at least for season
one and hopefully they're decent two, but a shorter lifespan
where you don't think that they're going to allow the
(03:09):
space for that. But then that I had mentioned before
episodes back, that it gives more humanities to the characters,
whether they're they're quote, you know, the bad guy or
the good guy or the in between person, you still
see that there are layers to them. They're just not
a flat, you know, flat one note character. And I
think that's what I mean, that's part of what makes
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these stories good, right, having the tragedy or having you
have to have some sort of conflict there, right, And
in this case, is that trauma that so many people
in this show are experiencing on multiple levels.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
And I just think that makes it even stronger because.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
It gives you more depth to these people, makes you
actually care about what's going on.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yeah, I didn't even think about how the memorial is
time to try.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Everything you know, I had a crazy I had a
crazy trip back today on the planes and stuff, and
so I had a chance to kind of just scrub
through everything again and I was just like, damn, that
was a.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Terrible last time.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Like there was no food or nothing, and like well
pizza so whatever you said, cold piece or whatever.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
It just it was just.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Funny to me, but more indicative of like, y'all thinguts
don't really have a plan. Like it was like it
made it more apparently this is just a slap slap
shot like just thrown together ragtag team that you know,
like like a like a broke down Ocean's eleven type shit.
And I don't know if that was on purpose or otherwise,
(04:30):
but like it was just like y'all think its don't
know what y'all do when like it's a bunch of individuals. Yeah,
it's not exactly a team. And then you know later
on you see how them individuals it's like, wo a minute,
they didn't one.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
A minute they not.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
So I mean this is not the edgement, Like this
is not where they've been raised with Charles and Xavior,
you know, and this ain't even the second Edgeman Wolverine
where they're grown and they all had their own thing
going on, and they came together as a team. But
this might be like that, but they never get a
chance to form that bombs because there's no real Te
Tavy here.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
It's a bad Magnito impression, I guess.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
And now I just thought I didn't realize how trash
his memorial was, but I did like the opening scene
where it shows John's saving Carter and then how that
went into the memorial scene, because I thought that was
a great flashback and a great last chance for a
dude to give some great acting and once again, like
you said, Chris, for you to see why Carter looks
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up to him and why the loss of John is
going to drive Carter completely over the edge as it does.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
No it does, and with Parker, I was laughing also
how he was plotting on re Re like you saw
that like that that the influence of the hood and
all this other stuff just really got to him in
that space. And then you could again I think Anthony Ramos,
he's done in the excellent like he's leveled up in
this role to be able to be palpable with.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
The tension and the really show like he ain't up
to no good.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I think again, something that has been sorely lacking out
of Marvel for a long time.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
GENC, you had something?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
I think they opened this episode with Rere and Natalie
back at her house, right, is that that's how it starts,
and Natalie is kind of trying to console rereover John.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Uh that's his.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
Name, John, John's murder.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Oh oh you're talking about AI Natalie?
Speaker 7 (06:18):
Yeah, yeah, anyway, I might have maybe I said this
last week. I don't know, but I appreciated the way
that Natalie was trying to bring Rere back to reality
because is being real hard on herself. I appreciated the
friendship and the ability of Natalie to kind of be
the voice of comfort and reason, and it kind of
brought to light like their relationship and the ways in
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which Natalie is kind of a manifestation of we re
you know what I'm saying, So like while three Ree
is experiencing this kind of self doubt, negative self talk
about I mean, it was a really traumatic thing to
kill that man when she probably could have wrapped him but.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Listened to you talk about that.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
But in the heat of the moment though, and we
all know Reebe's a very tunnel vision person.
Speaker 7 (07:05):
I think like, honestly, for somebody who was worried that
a cop almost died, when she almost died, I feel
like that character who was worried about that cop would
have went back and got that.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Boy, got John out the out the thing. You know
what I'm saying. It just it doesn't track for what
they've been trying to convince us. Like, it just didn't.
It didn't add up for me in that moment.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
You know, I don't think she was you know that
he got that.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Yeah, no, that's that's fair to go ahead.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
To the hood. He knew that she had that piece
of the hood, so.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
She you know, I mean he did try to kill her.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
So yeah, he's trying to kill her. So he's like,
oh he left him in there.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
Sorry, I don't know, I.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Don't know.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
No, I agree with Genisia all a sudden, know, like, no,
I wouldn't say that. I don't think that really was
as concerned with the cop. But I get it. It's
a cop, I get it, But.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
It was also sorry.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
It was also in a moment where she almost died.
That's why to me, when she's like somebody almost died.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
It's just felt so, you know, so you almost died
to what about?
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Right, and in that moment you're working.
Speaker 7 (08:14):
Okay, So this is actually a perfect example because this
was a moment where she almost died. It was a
lot of things happening in that moment, right, So in
a moment where she almost died, she's worried that this
cop was almost killed or whatever, right, and in a
moment where she was almost dying, now they leave John in.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
There to die. You know, it's just it's just, you know,
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
I get the point that she couldn't breathe, I get it,
but it did I.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Don't think I think the suit leaves John and there
to die and she's just trying in the suit. Yeah,
I mean Natalie is really about like that's why Natalie.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
That intentionally, like that made her choice.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That is that has made it Natalie AI's prime directive
is to protect at all costs, so.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Much higher in that moment well too.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Of course, of course I will say that episode four,
especially on the first watch, it was one of my
maybe one of the most favorite episodes for me because
of the huge introduction of the magic mixed with the Yeah,
not like we've seen the magic in MCU, but really, like, again,
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for such a short mini series, for them to be
able to really.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Have a fleshed out like detour.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Literally a spinning detour into the magic world, that shit
was fire to me.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Like for them to be able to build it up in.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Such a short amount of time and it still makes
sense and it didn't feel rush to me.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
It just felt like it was a fully built.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
World that was always in the background and that was
the point, right, Just like how like when you watch
the Doctor Strains films, how there's this other world going
on back there that you just don't see. They lift
the veil a little bit, you know, they go into
the mirror and they you know, they in the mirror verse,
whatever the fuck they are at the time, it's the
same situation, like the magic is always there, the just
happening all around you, and now we're gonna pull you
into the space.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
And it it felt for the way.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Re Read and her mom when they went like when
they went to that shop and met Zelma and it
met up with Madeline and like you could that shocked
feeling like what the fuck does happened? I felt that
and I think that's good writing. I think for you
to be put into the shoes of the main character
and be able to feel like the shifts like that
those are And I don't know if webc magic like
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that before, but that's a major shift away from everything
she's known as far as I know, I don't know
if she seeing doctor Strange doing his.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Shit or whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Really, I know she's been with Makana and then, but
that's still tech. Yeah, so you know, yes, it's spirituality,
but it's also tech. So I I think that was
the first time so for her to be like, hey, yo,
like I felt that.
Speaker 7 (10:49):
I love that, And I love that her mom has
always been kind of.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Woo woo, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
So when the girl is like, you know, she throws
that thing and she's like, oh, I'm reading I'm reading
tea leave, the mom.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Is like, oh, yeah, I could do that.
Speaker 7 (11:02):
And then she throws it on the glass and she's like,
oh no, no, never mind, not like not like that.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
That's that's something else. That's something else.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
I like how they blended in that aspect of like
real life conjure with the magic of the Marvel universe.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
That was dope.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Facts and I don't want to also bring up something
you said before, which was so strong in this episode
just seeing Chree Summers, like seeing her not just her voice,
seeing her and seeing her essentially play herself in a
little bit because you said you use the term she
kind of wo She always been kind of a and
all that stuff. So you know, she came in with
the Gandolf hat and I'm like, yes, this is this
is what I want to see, and like it just
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felt natural. It didn't feel like people play in a character.
It just felt like this is what these people like,
this is.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
How they move in life.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
And it was just and that's the other part about
the whole bringing the magic in it. It was strong
and how it was built and it's fun. Like that's
why I like Doctor at least the other ones. I
liked the Doctor trans films because it brought an element
of fun and just weird mysticism to it that you
just wasn't seeing with all the practical stuff.
Speaker 7 (12:02):
Yes, and the youthfulness of the girl, so what's the
youngest Zelma. The youthfulness of Zelma reminded me because re
Rey is doing all kind of like grown up shit.
It reminded me that re Re is a kid, you
know what I'm saying, right right, So the parallel of
the two moms and the two daughters in this teenagers
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in this scenario kind of helped to reground things in
terms of like, Okay, these are kids playing with like
for real intense grown up shit, you know.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Yeah, casually distressing Dormamu, which is in the fifth episode.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
I really loved this too, because we talked about this
last week, how it into how this series has grown
this whole world around Reread, full of all these characters
that we've never seen before, and a lot of them
are very well developed, especially like Zelma and Madeline.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Yeah, because I love how there's all this stuff like, oh,
you could have raised me, you know about commatage, you know.
And then there's all the little mentions of magic. You know,
you see her performing magic in the same way that
Doctor Strange and others.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Have done second nature.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
And then that was the other thing I loved the
second nature about it is how her mom, like you said,
not only is her mom you know, got her own
version of magic, but just how accepting both her mom
and Rere are of this because they live in the
Marvel universe. And that's what's really great writing to me.
It's like they're not sitting there like, oh my god,
you know what. I'm running around the magic room like
what just happened?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Oh no, no, what's this?
Speaker 5 (13:34):
And is more like, okay, that was a little weird
that happened. But I always knew you were kind of magical,
you know, free, and now I know you really are,
and of course your daughter is. And you know, we've
all seen Doctor Strange on television at this point for
years upon years, I'm sure s Charlotte Witch and most
of the other you know, quite a few known.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Magic uses said that like when it happened, and and
mom was like what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
She was just like, well, y'all never heard of the niggas.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I was like, yeah, you have to.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
And again this.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Goes back to what we say about the continuity of
the MCU. Acknowledge that shit happens, Acknowledge that there's a
fucking celestial and then see you know something like that,
like you gotta because this happens, has happened, and let's
let's live and have the character speak on things as
if this should happen.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah, could they.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
All live in a very insane world and that's why,
you know, they have to acknowledge.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
These things, right, Chris, did you have any to say
about just the magic and how you felt about all that?
Speaker 6 (14:30):
I kind of just echoing what you said earlier. I
really loved seeing Crease Summer. I love the just very
naturalistic acting, just being able to juxtapose that magical aspect
and have it grounded as well as just like a
mother and daughter kind of having this conversation with exposition
about their life and still being connected to what's going on.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I thought, I thought it was great.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Yeah, it's just and and then you know, just as
a fan of a different world and all that, you know,
it's just great to see Crease Summer. Hadn't seen her,
I don't remember since maybe at Atlanta, the Atlanta finale.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
She's also been on Abby's.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so she's been doing great on there.
So yeah, just grounded performances. It's just just like they
people just step into these parts and give full of
last performances.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Sarah Hawley, I think that's her last name, Sarah Finn Hawley,
the casting director of Marvel. We've mentioned her for a
few times, and she's a goddamn legend. You know, I
will give her praises at every opportunity.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I said it on Threads the.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Other day that she's the most important part of the
MCU because her casting. So the daughter is Madeline, right, Yeah,
it's like you just gave this young actress a role
and I can see her, you know, being right alongside
reread until the end of the MCU. Now, Like, it's
just the way that they keep establishing all these characters
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and given these actors roles, actors and actresses rolls. It's
just absolutely amazing.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Facts facts, facts.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Also in this episode, we see Ezekiel Stain become what
I call white lightning. So he the hey, they put
the ships in him, and now he got the lightning
coming out his fingertips.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
So I want to say, black common nerd as a
video where he dispels the myth that there is a
large percentage.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Of heroes of black heroes with lightning powers. And I
didn't watch the video. I'm just like, yeah, whatever, be
don't give me that truth. I know the lots is real.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
It's fucking hair.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Come, Ezekiel, he's you know, you know what I mean?
When they say we got everybody in Mark. He's the
mark in this situation. You know, it's all right, well,
you know, the one white guy.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
But I guess he leveled up. I mean with level up,
I mean he I mean did they care?
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I really was okay?
Speaker 7 (17:06):
So the only thing I like, yeah, I like the
connection to Obadiah. And then that's where it starts for me.
We spent so much time. There was so many other
things that could have been done with the time that
we spent making sure that this was a fully fleshed out,
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kind but stressed out white man. It was just too
much time on this guy who's not a big enough
character even in this universe. Like, the payoff for all
this building that we did for this white man is
not even that great. And honestly, we didn't even leverage
all right, So so he gets his strength from uh,
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his inner white woman, his inner black woman, right, he
gets that strength.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
The payoff for that should be for me, Like.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
When when Hood has him like doing his deeds, like
doing his bidding, that should be funnier. That should be funnier.
That shit should lean into more. Like I got this
white man, like, no, you're gonna do what I told
you kind of stuff like this should if I have
to spend so much time learning about this.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
White man's doubts about himself and how much he wants
to help, but he's conflicted, and there was so much
time spent with this, give me the payoff of like laughing,
Like I should know him well enough to see why
it's so funny that the Hood is controlling him. There
should be some some comedy in there.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
There's also a power imbalance there that can that should
be played up or power. There's some shit going on there,
some dynamics going on there that could be played up
for laughs for my personal benefit, because I had to sit,
I had to sit as a black girl watching it
showed us about the black girl. And we spent so
much time on this freaking white man that that we
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could have spent We could have spent that real estate
doing other shit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
So now we have.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
The Hood, who we later learn was kicked out of
his home, dealt with all type of bullshit or whatever,
has been yearning for a certain type of power that
he now gets or whatever. We have this this freaking
Exekiel who's a millionaire, who lives in this modest ass
house so that he can build fucking war machines on
the loaf for his own personal delight and fulfillment. You
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know what I'm saying. That sh that should have been
played up for laughs, and we got didn't. I didn't
get enough from that. It was like his whole purpose
there was like, this is a nice, conflicted white boy.
Let's spend a lot of time with him, so that
you niggas could argue about all the time you didn't
spend on other stuff.
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Speaker 3 (19:59):
All right.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
Yeah, his existence, the amount of time spent was infuriating.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
Wow, I think of it like that.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
That's what I do, Chris, You know that.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
No, I'm aware. I think though. I thought that scene
was it was an episode five or six, when he
meets his when we meet Parker's dad, that's later on.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
That's six.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Okay, that's the last episode.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Okay, so we can't tell that.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
No, we mean we meet down in five, don't we
meet him?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
But you know, but you know what, Denisia, when you
said what was the purpose and all that, and it's
actually a really simple purpose and whope, I mean, this is.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
The only thing that makes sense to me.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
It was to give her like a B level rival
that can always pop up, because.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Yeah, but B level doesn't deserve that amount of time.
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
That's that's what that's the issue.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Like, Okay, well i'll get you next time, my pretty
type ship.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
I could have did that ship in half the time.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I think if nothing else makes sense, well that doesn't
make sense either.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
I know.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
This is what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
I'm just gonna say as a black man, I agree
with both of you black women, and I think I
think you're right, uh, Tatiana where adversarial character before you
get to the big bad And I think that confrontation,
I really I don't. I just don't want to go
skip ahead too much. But yeah, conversation they have later
(21:24):
on in the series was good. And it's when you
think that they're supposed to be this trust built that
Reread and he have and then for it to be broken.
You could see that the anger that he has towards
re read later on. But I understand what you're saying.
They could have used that time to develop me.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Let me ask you a question, Denisia, how did you
feel when re re restateingly or otherwise did well, mistakenly,
did exactly what Ezekiel asked her not to do.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Have you ever helped to parent a teenager?
Speaker 7 (21:58):
Yes, it was giving that it was giving, this is
what teenagers and he told.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Them exactly what to do. You believe in them.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
Their teenagers are in this awkward space between childhood and adulthood,
and you're starting to see them as somebody who can
think for themselves and do and make choices, and you
trust them and they let you down because sometimes because
they're a freaking teenager, you know what I'm saying. So
I thought that he was on the right track, Ezekiel
when he was like, you know, you're just a teen
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and you're out for yourself and da dada.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
He was on the right track.
Speaker 7 (22:31):
Then once he got juiced up on the steroids, on
the electricity steroids.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
It seemed like a like the energy, I get the anger.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
Okay, she helped to ruin your life, that you had
your cushy life where you able to hide secretly
Hey and Anette. This is Tatiana King of for All Nerds.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
And on this episode we review episode four of Ironheart
where we watched Ezekiel Stain become white Lightning tragedy.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
So let's keep moving. We want to talk about episode four.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
And he talked about choices, Ben and that terrible ass
repass was a choice?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Why was it terrible?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
They didn't really do it?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Do it right?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
For my man's.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
John John, they had a lot more money, like they
definitely have dollars right now, like they have funds.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
And they sat him in the barn, ordered.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Some l that was out the boxes. They an't even.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Play the.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Shakeoola's Catherin from Madicpoor Magic Poor showed up and said,
so can y'all say.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Something nice about John Tving and b and.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Doing criminal activities for who knows years at this point?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Months has he been months?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I think it's been months?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Is you doing crimes with your hood red friends for
three four five months?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You had nothing nice to say about each other. And
they looked at each other like.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Clown headfirst into the table like episodes ago. You know,
you know she was she was not was just like well, I.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Can't say it was terrible. They hated that.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Nigga bad Like.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I think he's one of the best actors on the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
oh yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
I remember seeing him in Good Girls and just his
his presence. You almost kind of think about him him
being the Hood a little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
But I think that is the right casting.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
Because it's it's he's somebody who I guess he I
don't know the age in real life, but he reads older.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah, And why the why Hood would.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
Look up to him Parker, Parker would look up to
him and just and and really so his death and
I think one of the things that I appreciate about
this series as a whole. It's a mini series, and
it treats it treats things like a mini series where
like anybody can get it, and just because you like
this character, just because this character is is Oh I
(02:25):
like this character, and it's like, oh, he's gone now,
and now everybody has to deal with the aftermath of
his death. And it's something that you know, I think
trauma is a really big thing in this show, which
I was pleasantly like astounded by, you know, for a
lot of characters, not just really yeah for them.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I'm glad you mentioned that about trauma being like a
huge theme along this this mini series, because first of all,
that's a deeper theme that's not often visited in Marvel
projects one on and then certainly not one that that
has a short by at least at least for season
one and hopefully they're decent two, but a shorter lifespan
where you don't think that they're going to allow the
(03:09):
space for that. But then that I had mentioned before
episodes back, that it gives more humanities to the characters,
whether they're they're quote, you know, the bad guy or
the good guy or the in between person, you still
see that there are layers to them. They're just not
a flat, you know, flat one note character. And I
think that's what I mean, that's part of what makes
(03:29):
these stories good, right, having the tragedy or having you
have to have some sort of conflict there, right, And
in this case, is that trauma that so many people
in this show are experiencing on multiple levels.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
And I just think that makes it even stronger because.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
It gives you more depth to these people, makes you
actually care about what's going on.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yeah, I didn't even think about how the memorial is
time to try.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Everything you know, I had a crazy I had a
crazy trip back today on the planes and stuff, and
so I had a chance to kind of just scrub
through everything again and I was just like, damn, that
was a.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Terrible last time.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Like there was no food or nothing, and like well
pizza so whatever you said, cold piece or whatever.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
It just it was just.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Funny to me, but more indicative of like, y'all thinguts
don't really have a plan. Like it was like it
made it more apparently this is just a slap slap
shot like just thrown together ragtag team that you know,
like like a like a broke down Ocean's eleven type shit.
And I don't know if that was on purpose or otherwise,
(04:30):
but like it was just like y'all think its don't
know what y'all do when like it's a bunch of individuals. Yeah,
it's not exactly a team. And then you know later
on you see how them individuals it's like, wo a minute,
they didn't one.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
A minute they not.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
So I mean this is not the edgement, Like this
is not where they've been raised with Charles and Xavior,
you know, and this ain't even the second Edgeman Wolverine
where they're grown and they all had their own thing
going on, and they came together as a team. But
this might be like that, but they never get a
chance to form that bombs because there's no real Te
Tavy here.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
It's a bad Magnito impression, I guess.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
And now I just thought I didn't realize how trash
his memorial was, but I did like the opening scene
where it shows John's saving Carter and then how that
went into the memorial scene, because I thought that was
a great flashback and a great last chance for a
dude to give some great acting and once again, like
you said, Chris, for you to see why Carter looks
(05:24):
up to him and why the loss of John is
going to drive Carter completely over the edge as it does.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
No it does, and with Parker, I was laughing also
how he was plotting on re Re like you saw
that like that that the influence of the hood and
all this other stuff just really got to him in
that space. And then you could again I think Anthony Ramos,
he's done in the excellent like he's leveled up in
this role to be able to be palpable with.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
The tension and the really show like he ain't up
to no good.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I think again, something that has been sorely lacking out
of Marvel for a long time.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
GENC, you had something?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
I think they opened this episode with Rere and Natalie
back at her house, right, is that that's how it starts,
and Natalie is kind of trying to console rereover John.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Uh that's his.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
Name, John, John's murder.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Oh oh you're talking about AI Natalie?
Speaker 7 (06:18):
Yeah, yeah, anyway, I might have maybe I said this
last week. I don't know, but I appreciated the way
that Natalie was trying to bring Rere back to reality
because is being real hard on herself. I appreciated the
friendship and the ability of Natalie to kind of be
the voice of comfort and reason, and it kind of
brought to light like their relationship and the ways in
(06:40):
which Natalie is kind of a manifestation of we re
you know what I'm saying, So like while three Ree
is experiencing this kind of self doubt, negative self talk
about I mean, it was a really traumatic thing to
kill that man when she probably could have wrapped him but.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Listened to you talk about that.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
But in the heat of the moment though, and we
all know Reebe's a very tunnel vision person.
Speaker 7 (07:05):
I think like, honestly, for somebody who was worried that
a cop almost died, when she almost died, I feel
like that character who was worried about that cop would
have went back and got that.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Boy, got John out the out the thing. You know
what I'm saying. It just it doesn't track for what
they've been trying to convince us. Like, it just didn't.
It didn't add up for me in that moment.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
You know, I don't think she was you know that
he got that.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Yeah, no, that's that's fair to go ahead.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
To the hood. He knew that she had that piece
of the hood, so.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
She you know, I mean he did try to kill her.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
So yeah, he's trying to kill her. So he's like,
oh he left him in there.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
Sorry, I don't know, I.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Don't know.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
No, I agree with Genisia all a sudden, know, like, no,
I wouldn't say that. I don't think that really was
as concerned with the cop. But I get it. It's
a cop, I get it, But.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
It was also sorry.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
It was also in a moment where she almost died.
That's why to me, when she's like somebody almost died.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
It's just felt so, you know, so you almost died
to what about?
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Right, and in that moment you're working.
Speaker 7 (08:14):
Okay, So this is actually a perfect example because this
was a moment where she almost died. It was a
lot of things happening in that moment, right, So in
a moment where she almost died, she's worried that this
cop was almost killed or whatever, right, and in a
moment where she was almost dying, now they leave John in.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
There to die. You know, it's just it's just, you know,
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
I get the point that she couldn't breathe, I get it,
but it did I.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Don't think I think the suit leaves John and there
to die and she's just trying in the suit. Yeah,
I mean Natalie is really about like that's why Natalie.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
That intentionally, like that made her choice.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That is that has made it Natalie AI's prime directive
is to protect at all costs, so.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Much higher in that moment well too.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Of course, of course I will say that episode four,
especially on the first watch, it was one of my
maybe one of the most favorite episodes for me because
of the huge introduction of the magic mixed with the Yeah,
not like we've seen the magic in MCU, but really, like, again,
(09:23):
for such a short mini series, for them to be
able to really.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Have a fleshed out like detour.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Literally a spinning detour into the magic world, that shit
was fire to me.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Like for them to be able to build it up in.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Such a short amount of time and it still makes
sense and it didn't feel rush to me.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
It just felt like it was a fully built.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
World that was always in the background and that was
the point, right, Just like how like when you watch
the Doctor Strains films, how there's this other world going
on back there that you just don't see. They lift
the veil a little bit, you know, they go into
the mirror and they you know, they in the mirror verse,
whatever the fuck they are at the time, it's the
same situation, like the magic is always there, the just
happening all around you, and now we're gonna pull you
into the space.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
And it it felt for the way.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Re Read and her mom when they went like when
they went to that shop and met Zelma and it
met up with Madeline and like you could that shocked
feeling like what the fuck does happened? I felt that
and I think that's good writing. I think for you
to be put into the shoes of the main character
and be able to feel like the shifts like that
those are And I don't know if webc magic like
(10:28):
that before, but that's a major shift away from everything
she's known as far as I know, I don't know
if she seeing doctor Strange doing his.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Shit or whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Really, I know she's been with Makana and then, but
that's still tech. Yeah, so you know, yes, it's spirituality,
but it's also tech. So I I think that was
the first time so for her to be like, hey, yo,
like I felt that.
Speaker 7 (10:49):
I love that, And I love that her mom has
always been kind of.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Woo woo, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
So when the girl is like, you know, she throws
that thing and she's like, oh, I'm reading I'm reading
tea leave, the mom.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Is like, oh, yeah, I could do that.
Speaker 7 (11:02):
And then she throws it on the glass and she's like,
oh no, no, never mind, not like not like that.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
That's that's something else. That's something else.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
I like how they blended in that aspect of like
real life conjure with the magic of the Marvel universe.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
That was dope.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Facts and I don't want to also bring up something
you said before, which was so strong in this episode
just seeing Chree Summers, like seeing her not just her voice,
seeing her and seeing her essentially play herself in a
little bit because you said you use the term she
kind of wo She always been kind of a and
all that stuff. So you know, she came in with
the Gandolf hat and I'm like, yes, this is this
is what I want to see, and like it just
(11:38):
felt natural. It didn't feel like people play in a character.
It just felt like this is what these people like,
this is.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
How they move in life.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
And it was just and that's the other part about
the whole bringing the magic in it. It was strong
and how it was built and it's fun. Like that's
why I like Doctor at least the other ones. I
liked the Doctor trans films because it brought an element
of fun and just weird mysticism to it that you
just wasn't seeing with all the practical stuff.
Speaker 7 (12:02):
Yes, and the youthfulness of the girl, so what's the
youngest Zelma. The youthfulness of Zelma reminded me because re
Rey is doing all kind of like grown up shit.
It reminded me that re Re is a kid, you
know what I'm saying, right right, So the parallel of
the two moms and the two daughters in this teenagers
(12:25):
in this scenario kind of helped to reground things in
terms of like, Okay, these are kids playing with like
for real intense grown up shit, you know.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Yeah, casually distressing Dormamu, which is in the fifth episode.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
I really loved this too, because we talked about this
last week, how it into how this series has grown
this whole world around Reread, full of all these characters
that we've never seen before, and a lot of them
are very well developed, especially like Zelma and Madeline.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Yeah, because I love how there's all this stuff like, oh,
you could have raised me, you know about commatage, you know.
And then there's all the little mentions of magic. You know,
you see her performing magic in the same way that
Doctor Strange and others.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Have done second nature.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
And then that was the other thing I loved the
second nature about it is how her mom, like you said,
not only is her mom you know, got her own
version of magic, but just how accepting both her mom
and Rere are of this because they live in the
Marvel universe. And that's what's really great writing to me.
It's like they're not sitting there like, oh my god,
you know what. I'm running around the magic room like
what just happened?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Oh no, no, what's this?
Speaker 5 (13:34):
And is more like, okay, that was a little weird
that happened. But I always knew you were kind of magical,
you know, free, and now I know you really are,
and of course your daughter is. And you know, we've
all seen Doctor Strange on television at this point for
years upon years, I'm sure s Charlotte Witch and most
of the other you know, quite a few known.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Magic uses said that like when it happened, and and
mom was like what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
She was just like, well, y'all never heard of the niggas.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I was like, yeah, you have to.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
And again this.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Goes back to what we say about the continuity of
the MCU. Acknowledge that shit happens, Acknowledge that there's a
fucking celestial and then see you know something like that,
like you gotta because this happens, has happened, and let's
let's live and have the character speak on things as
if this should happen.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah, could they.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
All live in a very insane world and that's why,
you know, they have to acknowledge.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
These things, right, Chris, did you have any to say
about just the magic and how you felt about all that?
Speaker 6 (14:30):
I kind of just echoing what you said earlier. I
really loved seeing Crease Summer. I love the just very
naturalistic acting, just being able to juxtapose that magical aspect
and have it grounded as well as just like a
mother and daughter kind of having this conversation with exposition
about their life and still being connected to what's going on.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I thought, I thought it was great.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Yeah, it's just and and then you know, just as
a fan of a different world and all that, you know,
it's just great to see Crease Summer. Hadn't seen her,
I don't remember since maybe at Atlanta, the Atlanta finale.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
She's also been on Abby's.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so she's been doing great on there.
So yeah, just grounded performances. It's just just like they
people just step into these parts and give full of
last performances.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Sarah Hawley, I think that's her last name, Sarah Finn Hawley,
the casting director of Marvel. We've mentioned her for a
few times, and she's a goddamn legend. You know, I
will give her praises at every opportunity.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I said it on Threads the.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Other day that she's the most important part of the
MCU because her casting. So the daughter is Madeline, right, Yeah,
it's like you just gave this young actress a role
and I can see her, you know, being right alongside
reread until the end of the MCU. Now, Like, it's
just the way that they keep establishing all these characters
(16:03):
and given these actors roles, actors and actresses rolls. It's
just absolutely amazing.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Facts facts, facts.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Also in this episode, we see Ezekiel Stain become what
I call white lightning. So he the hey, they put
the ships in him, and now he got the lightning
coming out his fingertips.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
So I want to say, black common nerd as a
video where he dispels the myth that there is a
large percentage.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Of heroes of black heroes with lightning powers. And I
didn't watch the video. I'm just like, yeah, whatever, be
don't give me that truth. I know the lots is real.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
It's fucking hair.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Come, Ezekiel, he's you know, you know what I mean?
When they say we got everybody in Mark. He's the
mark in this situation. You know, it's all right, well,
you know, the one white guy.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
But I guess he leveled up. I mean with level up,
I mean he I mean did they care?
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I really was okay?
Speaker 7 (17:06):
So the only thing I like, yeah, I like the
connection to Obadiah. And then that's where it starts for me.
We spent so much time. There was so many other
things that could have been done with the time that
we spent making sure that this was a fully fleshed out,
(17:27):
kind but stressed out white man. It was just too
much time on this guy who's not a big enough
character even in this universe. Like, the payoff for all
this building that we did for this white man is
not even that great. And honestly, we didn't even leverage
all right, So so he gets his strength from uh,
(17:50):
his inner white woman, his inner black woman, right, he
gets that strength.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
The payoff for that should be for me, Like.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
When when Hood has him like doing his deeds, like
doing his bidding, that should be funnier. That should be funnier.
That shit should lean into more. Like I got this
white man, like, no, you're gonna do what I told
you kind of stuff like this should if I have
to spend so much time learning about this.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
White man's doubts about himself and how much he wants
to help, but he's conflicted, and there was so much
time spent with this, give me the payoff of like laughing,
Like I should know him well enough to see why
it's so funny that the Hood is controlling him. There
should be some some comedy in there.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
There's also a power imbalance there that can that should
be played up or power. There's some shit going on there,
some dynamics going on there that could be played up
for laughs for my personal benefit, because I had to sit,
I had to sit as a black girl watching it
showed us about the black girl. And we spent so
much time on this freaking white man that that we
(18:57):
could have spent We could have spent that real estate
doing other shit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
So now we have.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
The Hood, who we later learn was kicked out of
his home, dealt with all type of bullshit or whatever,
has been yearning for a certain type of power that
he now gets or whatever. We have this this freaking
Exekiel who's a millionaire, who lives in this modest ass
house so that he can build fucking war machines on
the loaf for his own personal delight and fulfillment. You
(19:23):
know what I'm saying. That sh that should have been
played up for laughs, and we got didn't. I didn't
get enough from that. It was like his whole purpose
there was like, this is a nice, conflicted white boy.
Let's spend a lot of time with him, so that
you niggas could argue about all the time you didn't
spend on other stuff.
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Speaker 3 (19:59):
All right.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
Yeah, his existence, the amount of time spent was infuriating.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
Wow, I think of it like that.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
That's what I do, Chris, You know that.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
No, I'm aware. I think though. I thought that scene
was it was an episode five or six, when he
meets his when we meet Parker's dad, that's later on.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
That's six.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Okay, that's the last episode.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Okay, so we can't tell that.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
No, we mean we meet down in five, don't we
meet him?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
But you know, but you know what, Denisia, when you
said what was the purpose and all that, and it's
actually a really simple purpose and whope, I mean, this is.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
The only thing that makes sense to me.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
It was to give her like a B level rival
that can always pop up, because.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Yeah, but B level doesn't deserve that amount of time.
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
That's that's what that's the issue.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Like, Okay, well i'll get you next time, my pretty
type ship.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
I could have did that ship in half the time.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I think if nothing else makes sense, well that doesn't
make sense either.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
I know.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
This is what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
I'm just gonna say as a black man, I agree
with both of you black women, and I think I
think you're right, uh, Tatiana where adversarial character before you
get to the big bad And I think that confrontation,
I really I don't. I just don't want to go
skip ahead too much. But yeah, conversation they have later
(21:24):
on in the series was good. And it's when you
think that they're supposed to be this trust built that
Reread and he have and then for it to be broken.
You could see that the anger that he has towards
re read later on. But I understand what you're saying.
They could have used that time to develop me.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Let me ask you a question, Denisia, how did you
feel when re re restateingly or otherwise did well, mistakenly,
did exactly what Ezekiel asked her not to do.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Have you ever helped to parent a teenager?
Speaker 7 (21:58):
Yes, it was giving that it was giving, this is
what teenagers and he told.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Them exactly what to do. You believe in them.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
Their teenagers are in this awkward space between childhood and adulthood,
and you're starting to see them as somebody who can
think for themselves and do and make choices, and you
trust them and they let you down because sometimes because
they're a freaking teenager, you know what I'm saying. So
I thought that he was on the right track, Ezekiel
when he was like, you know, you're just a teen
(22:28):
and you're out for yourself and da dada.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
He was on the right track.
Speaker 7 (22:31):
Then once he got juiced up on the steroids, on
the electricity steroids.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
It seemed like a like the energy, I get the anger.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
Okay, she helped to ruin your life, that you had
your cushy life where you able to hide secretly
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Dateline NBC
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The Breakfast Club
The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, And Charlamagne Tha God!