IronHeart Just Changed Everything About The MCU!! (Series Finale Review)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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we review episodes.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Four, five, and six of iron Heart and our girl
Reebe Williams. She's done it again, Choices.

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Y'all?

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Welcome back to another episode of the four All Nerds
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as Tatiana Kang, the Conqueror, doc Ocky Coda s Winter
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That doesn't bode well at all.

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And also returning to the show is the one and
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I had the pleasure of being at the recording of.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Is mister Chris Lambert, please, you know, reintroduce yourself. Thanks
so much for having me back, y'all.

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It's Chris Lambert from the Mundane Festival podcast aka the
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Shout out to my brother just Blaze the Megatron down
of course, and you know my other aka just Braids
up in here. So it was rough being on the
Combat Jat Show. It was not always the sweetest time
on that show, but that's why we started four on

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NERD show. We're much nicer to each other most of
the time.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
And we are back to talk.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
About Iron Hiszzy iron Heart Episodes four, five, and six. Yes,
the mini series is now all out on Disney Plus.
Make sure you peep it if you haven't peep it yet,
because we are going to do heavy spoiling on this
episode and there are very big things, especially in episode six,

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that might concern you. So if you haven't seen it,
you know much encourage you to go watch it out
there on Disney Plus and then you know, get back
over here.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
And talk to us.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Since I've been gone, I haven't had a chance to
say my piece. You know, one of the first episodes
three premiere we have been seen this season, but I
have been privy to listening and watching all of the
responses from across the internet, and now that the whole
show is out, I just want to give a big
fuck you.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
To everyone who has a problem with this show.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Okay, because once this last episode air and you saw
it and you still had a motherfucking problem, that's your
motherfucking problem. There's nothing you can tell me, say, do
show or give me an example of that would make sense.
After seeing what we saw, this ship is phenomenal. Get

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the fuck out, and thank you. I just wanted to
make sure I said that because I was holding that
in for a few days.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
I mean, that's all I had to say, you know
so far. Least, you know, we definitely want to talk
about all three episodes. I fully agree with you though,
at least as far as like we had a lot
of and we've had a lot of reaction to the
show on our various social media's on YouTube especially, and uh,
one thing I do want to say is, like me

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and Genisia had a discussion last week, and I felt
like it went on too long, and I probably dragged
on too long myself, and I do want to apologize
to just Genisia and the listeners for that. And yes, Jared,
quite welcome, because it was that you had some very
valid points, and I felt those points were even eximplified

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and exaggerated on the later three episodes, which we'll talk
about in a minute. And then there's something else that
you mentioned about how as black critics, and you know, critics,
I don't like to say marginal, but critics who have
a certain viewpoint and opinion, sometimes we feel the need

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to defend these type of properties instead of critiquing them wholeheartedly,
I would say, because even though we do critique them,
And that was a problem that I definitely had. And
then I also recognized this week on our YouTube especially
that a lot of the trolls and the people who
have negative things to say about it really don't even

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pay attention to what we said because you, Genisia had
a lot, well not a lot, but you had your
various issues with the show, and then people come in
the show and be like into the comments of like, oh,
this is terrible writing.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
This is terrible.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
It's terrible that I'm like, well, sometimes we agreed with
you on this episode, but you didn't.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
You'd even read listen.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
It's just you're just finding these reviews and immediately posting
these comments because that's what you feel like life is
about for some reason. So it doesn't really matter what
we say one way or the other. But overall, I
still think that Ironheart is a very excellent show, and
I disagree with some of the commoners. I was actually

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talking to one today because they actually did respond for
a second, okay when they said, you know, the writing
is terrible, and I'm like, I just cannot agree with that,
Like no, And then they said, well, we'll be here
all day if I pointed out instances, and I'm like, no,
you wouldn't because you can't do that. You can't sit
there and break these shows down and be like, here's
an instance where the writing is terrible, his instance where

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the characters weren't behaving true to their character, Like you
might have issues with how certain things are portrayed, which
I did as well, but as far as what the
characters are doing, for the most part, I felt like
they're written in character they're staying true to their character
and they're well written characters.

Speaker 6 (06:44):
Yeah, no, I feel that. First I want to say
thank you for your apology, thank you for being a
vulnerable on tape. I appreciate that. Something I wanted to
add just before we move past the conversation that we
had last week, and as somebody who has as a
gender queer person who has talked about being gender queer
later in life, is something that like when I'm navigating

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in spaces where I'm talking about my queer identity as
a queer black fem, my voice is not as strong
as it is when I'm talking about purely being a
black woman. And something that I would have said last
week was that I was the only queer fem in
the space. You know what I'm saying with my perspective
and my critique specifically about the queer black fems in

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the show, And so I just wanted to affirm that,
like when we're having these conversations with one another, you know,
there of course was the added stress of wanting to
protect the show, but when we have in these conversations
amongst people who are of varying intersections, we're talking from
a you know, nerds of color perspective, a lot of
us are holding additional intersections. It's just important that we

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try and keep in mind, like where each other is
coming from. You know what I'm saying, what intersections the
other person is coming from. And to your point, I
love that you said to a degree, it doesn't matter
what we say, because if you are a fucking white
supremacistrol if you're a misogynist, if your whole shit is misogyny, misogyny,
wire or whatever, it really doesn't you're not listening. And

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it's nothing that we could say in our critiques. It's
nothing we can say on a podcast that's gonna make
those people who are determined to trash something based on
their bigotry. It's nothing that we can say that's gonna
shift that because their determination is control. And I think
that you know, in my opinion, when we become and

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there's nothing wrong with like acknowledging it, like Tatiana you
open up and say fuck you or whatever. It's nothing
wrong with acknowledging that this is a thing that's happening
and it's a pressure that we feel and it's a
thing that exists, but we don't want to get into
a frenzy of what white people are doing. They're gonna
continue that. This whole you know, this whole presidency, right,
this whole Trump presidency is a fuck control, you know

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what I'm saying. And if we allow that to stop
us from living, if we you know, when y'all do
this show, you are talking to the nerds of color.
It's for all nerds. But you know, so there's a
central gaze that we are, gaze that we're most concerned about.
And if we let that gaze be distracted and deterred
by white supremacists, racist trolls, it ends up being white

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centric in and of itself, you know what I'm saying.
So I appreciate that we've had time to all kind
of sit back and you know, ponder that. And I
also want to acknowledge the feelings of like, when we're
watching a show that features people who look like us,
who share our identities, and we know it's being intact
because of those shared identities, it doesn't just impact the

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people on that show, it impacts those of us of
those shared identities. Like, we feel that as well, and
so that feeling to like want to protect it, that
feeling of you know navigating that fucking default racism, that
that it's a minefield. It's distracting, and if it's difficult,
if you don't get grounded ahead of it, it's difficult.

(09:55):
It can be difficult to do the work to show
up and do you know what I'm saying? What is
that we know we're supposed to be doing.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
Yeah, And it's draining. It's extremely draining, Like for me personally,
because I'm one of the people who responds to a
lot of people on YouTube in various places, and it's
like to the point where I just block most of
these trolls. It's immediate because one I don't someone else
said this and I've had this distression before, like oh,
you shouldn't live in an echo chamber, And I don't
really have time for that. I live in an echo

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chamber of you know, the people who I fucked with
and of what I feel are right minded ideals. I
don't really have time to sit around and think about
what ignorance is spreading or argue about ignorance, or I
have distructions about ignorance, Like when a distression we always
have on the shows and people will be on our
comments talk about oh, I'm tired of genderbent and race
bent characters, et cetera. And I'm like, well that's you.

(10:44):
Keep on moving, bro. I don't have time for that
distression ever in my life ever.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Again. You know I'm not and.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
I don't want to correct your words, but I want
to just build upon something you just said. We're not
in an echo chamber, Ben, because as the discussion was last.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
Week, no, that was definitely not an echo chain across right.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
About different aspects.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
What is true, though, is what you said about having
this conversation with like minded people people who are not
in it, control people who are not in it to
just be bigots and things like that. I think that's
what's important, why, that's what people have to understand, and
that it's also a dog whistle to say that it's
an echo chamber, like that's not what none of this is.
Just because that we actually see shit for what it
is and we break it down critically and we use

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our brains does not mean as an echo chamber.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
So I think that's some distinction to make.

Speaker 6 (11:28):
Something else I wanted to say that I've been thinking
about since last week, is that your audience, this audience,
this for all nerds. Audience is filled with a variety
of different people at a variety different of levels of
abilities to at varying levels of critical analysis. You know
what I'm saying, and you don't want to We all

(11:49):
the four of us here have come to this at
varying levels of critical analysis. We don't want to water
things down just because of the fear that somebody might
take something that we said and come to me something
else is there's nothing wrong with speaking to that. There's
nothing wrong if you want to say what you have
to say and then also break it down in smaller
bites so that people can get it cool. But we

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should not be afraid to say the shit that we
know is right, the shit that we know makes sense,
just because somebody else is going to miss the nuance,
or somebody else is gonna conflate it in some bullshit
or try and turn it around and flip it around
on us, you know what I'm saying. So we just
don't want to be We don't want to get into
a frenzy over what our haters are gonna say.

Speaker 5 (12:30):
Oh yeah, I pretty much like with Todd Jowna says
fuck the haters. I also don't for the most part.
Don't think of them like that because I've had one
last thing, Like I even was just trusting this with
my therapist today and it's I'm not here to educate,
you know, idiots. I'm not here to change somebody's mind.
Like you said, Genisi. We have an audience who I'm

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here to talk to to distruss things with. But I'm
not here to, you know, just for people who are,
say there on the fence, because if you're on the
fence as a grown person, I.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
Really don't believe you.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
You know, it's like you you've made you choices at
this point in life, and so I'm here to talk
about things that I love and distress it with people
who love it.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
Other than that, it's like, you know, we.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Can keep it moving, So let's keep it moving.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
We want to talk about episode four and you talked
about choices, Ben and that terrible ass repass was a choice.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
Why was it terrible?

Speaker 2 (13:24):
They didn't really do it do it right? For my
man's John.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
They had a lot.

Speaker 5 (13:30):
More money, like they definitely have dollars right now, like
they have funds.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
And they sat him in the bar and ordered.

Speaker 6 (13:37):
Some wild that was out the boxes. They ain't even play.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
The piece shake Coolay's catherin for Magic Poor Magic Poor
showed up and said, so, can y'all say something nice.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
About Yah.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Tieving and b and doing criminal activities for who knows
years at this point months.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Has he been months? I think it's been months.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
You're doing crimes with your Hood Red friends for three four,
five months. You had nothing nice to say about each other.
And they looked at each other like.

Speaker 5 (14:13):
Clown headfirst into the table like episodes ago. You know,
you know.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
She was she was not. I was just like, well, I.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Can't it was terrible.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
They hated that nigga bad Like I think he's one
of the best actors on the show.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (14:33):
I remember seeing him in Good Girls and just his
his presence. You almost kind of think about him him
being the Hood a little bit.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
But I think that is the right casting.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
Because it's it's he's somebody who I guess he I
don't know the agent real life, but he reads older
and and why the why Hood would look up to him,
My Parker Parker would look up to him, and just
and and really so his death and I think one
of the things that I appreciate about this series as
a whole.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
It's a mini series, and it treats it treats things like.

Speaker 7 (15:10):
A mini series where like anybody can get it, and
just because you like this character, just because this character
is is oh I like this character, and it's like, oh,
he's gone now, and now everybody has to deal with
the aftermath of his death. And it's something that you know,
I think trauma is a really big thing in this show,

(15:31):
which I was pleasantly like astounded by, you know, for
a lot of characters, not just really yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah for them.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
I'm glad you mentioned that about trauma being like a
huge theme along this this mini series, because first of all,
that's a deeper theme that's not often visited in Marvel
projects number one and then certainly not one that that
has a short least at least for season one and
hopefully there'd becent two, but a shorter lifespan where you
don't think that they're going to allow the space for that.

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But then that I had mentioned before episodes back, that
it gives more humanities to the characters, whether they're they're quote,
you know, the bad guy or the good guy or
the in between person. You still see that there are
layers to them. They're just not a flat, you know,
flat one note character. And I think that's what I mean,
that's part of what makes these stories good, right, having

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the tragedy or having you have to have some sort
of conflict there, right, And in this case, it is
that trauma that so many people in this show are
experiencing on multiple levels. And I just think that makes
it even stronger because it gives you more depth to these.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
People, makes you actually care about what's going on.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
Yeah, I didn't even think about how the memorial is
trying to try.

Speaker 6 (16:42):
It's funny everything, you know.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
I had a crazy I had a crazy trip back
today on the planes and stuff, and so I had
a chance to kind of just scrub through everything again
and I was just like, damn, that was a.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Terrible last time.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Like there was no food or nothing like well what
I mean said cold piece or whatever. It just it
was just funny to me, but more indicative of like,
y'all thingts don't really have a plan, like it was,
like it made it more apparently this is just a
slap slap shot like just thrown together ragtag team that
you know, like like a like a broke down Oces

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eleven type shit. And I don't know if that was
on purpose or otherwise, but like it was just like y'all,
I think its don't know what y'all do when like
it's a bunch of individuals. Yeah, it's not exactly a team.
And then you know later on you see how them individuals,
it's like, wo a minute, they didn't one a.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Minute they not?

Speaker 5 (17:35):
So I mean, this is not the edgement, Like, this
is not where they've been raised with Charles and Xavior,
you know, and this ain't even the second Edgeman Wolverine
where they're grown and they all had their own thing going.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
On and they came together as a team.

Speaker 5 (17:47):
But this might be like that, but they never get
a chance to form that bombs because there's no real
Charles and Savior here.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
It's a bad magnito impression, I guess.

Speaker 5 (17:55):
And no, I just thought I didn't realize how trash
his memorial was. But I did like the opening scene
where it shows John's saving Carter and then how that
went into the memorial scene because I thought that was
a great flashback and a great last chance for a
dude to give some great acting and once again, like
you said Chris, for you to see why Carter looks

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up to him and why the loss of John is
going to drive Carter completely over the edge as it does.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
No, it does, and with Parker I was laughing also
how he was plotting on Rere like you saw that
like that, that the influence of the Hood and all
this other stuff just really got to him in that space.
And then you could again, I think Anthony Ramos, he's
done in the excellent like he's leveled up in this
role to be able to be palpable with.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
The tension and then really show like he ain't up
to no good.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
I think, again, something that has been sorely lacking out
of Marvel for.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
A long time. GENC, you had something.

Speaker 6 (18:52):
Yeah. I think they opened this episode with Reread and
Natalie back at her house, right, is that that's how
it starts, and Natalie is kind of trying to console
rereover John. Uh that's his name, John, John's murder.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Oh oh you're talking about AI Natalie?

Speaker 6 (19:10):
Yeah, yeah, anyway, I might have maybe I said this
last week. I don't know, but I appreciated the way
that Natalie was trying to bring Rere back to reality
because is being real hard on herself. I appreciated the
friendship and the ability of Natalie to kind of be
the voice of comfort and reason, and it kind of
brought to light like their relationship and the ways in

(19:32):
which Natalie is kind of a manifestation of WERI you
know what I'm saying, So like Wiree is experiencing this
kind of self doubt, negative self talk about I mean,
it was a really traumatic thing to kill that man
when she probably could have wrapped him.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
But I listened to you talk about that. But in
the heat of the moment though, and we all know
Reb's a very tunnel vision person.

Speaker 6 (19:58):
I think like, honestly, for somebody who was worried that
a cop almost died, when she almost died, I feel
like that character who was worried about that cop would
have went back and got that boy, got John out
the out the thing. You know what I'm saying. It
just it doesn't track for what they've been trying to
convince us, like, it just didn't. It didn't add up
for me in that moment.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
You know, I don't think she was you know that
he got that.

Speaker 6 (20:21):
Yeah, No, that's that's fair to go ahead.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
To the hood. He knew that she had that piece
of the hood, so she.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
You know, I mean, he did try to kill her,
So yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
He's trying to kill her. So he's like, oh, he
left him in there.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
Sorry, I don't know, I don't know. No, I agree
with Genisia all sudden, know, like, no, I wouldn't say that.
I don't think that really was as concerned with the cop.
But I get it. It's a cop, I get it.

Speaker 6 (20:53):
But it was also sorry, it was also in a
moment where she almost died. That's why to me, when
she's like somebody almost did, it's just felt so, you know,
so you almost died to what about? Right, and in
that moment you're working. Okay, So this is actually a
perfect example because this was a moment where she almost died.
It was a lot of things happening in that moment, right,
So in a moment where she almost died, she's worried

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that this cop was almost killed or whatever, right, and
in a moment where she was almost dying, now they
leave John in there to die. You know, It's just
it's just you know, I don't know. I get the
point that she couldn't breathe, I get it, but it did.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
I don't think.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
I think the suit leaves John and there to die
and she's just trying in the suit. Yeah, I Metie
is really about like, that's why Natalie.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Intentionally like that made her choice, That is that has made.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
It Natalie AI's prime directive is to protect three at all.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
Costs, so much higher in that moment as well too.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Of course, of course I will say that episode four,
especially on the first one, it was one of my
maybe one of the most favorite episodes for me, because
of the huge introduction of the magic mixed with the
Yeah not like we've seen the magic in MCU, but really, like, again,

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for such a short mini series, for them to be
able to really have a fleshed out like detour literally
a spinning detour into a magic world, that shit was
fire to me. Like for them to be able to
build it up in such a short amount of time
and it still makes sense and it didn't feel.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Rush to me. It just felt like it was a fully.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Built world that was always in the background and that
was the point, right, Just like how like when you
watch the Doctor Strains films, how there's this other world
going on back there that you just don't see they
lift the veil a little bit, you know, they go
into the mirror and they you know, they in the
mirror verse, whatever the fuck they are at the time,
it's the same situation, like the magic is always there,
the magic is happening all around you, and now we're
going to pull you into the space. And it it

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felt for the way Revea and her mom when they
like when they went to that shop and met Zelma
and it met up with Madeline and like you could
that that shocked feeling, like what the fuck does happened?

Speaker 1 (23:08):
I felt that, And I think that's good writing.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
I think for you to be put into the shoes
of the main character and be able to feel like
the shifts like that those are And I don't know
if webc magic like that before, but that's a major
shift away from everything she's known as far as I know,
I don't know if she seeing doctor Strange doing his.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Ship or whatever.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Really, I know she's been with Makana and then, but
that's still tech. Yeah, so you know, yes, it's spirituality,
but it's also tech. So I I think that was
the first time so for her to be like hey, yo,
like I felt that.

Speaker 6 (23:41):
I love that and I love that her mom has
always been kind of woo woo, you know what I'm saying.
So when the girl is like, you know, she throws
that thing and she's like, oh, I'm reading, uh, I'm
reading tea leave, the mom is like, oh, yeah, I
could do that, and then she throws it on the
glass and she's like, oh no, no, never mind, not like
not like that. That's that's something else. That's something else.
Like how they blended in that aspect of like real

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life conjure with the magic of the Marvel universe. That
was dope facts.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
And I don't want to also bring up something you
said before, which was so strong in this episode, just
seeing Chree Summers, like seeing her not just her voice,
seeing her and seeing her essentially play herself in a
little bit because you said you use the term she
kind of wo She.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Always been kind of a and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
So you know, she came in with the Gandolf had
and I'm like, yes, this is this is what I
want to see, and like it just felt natural. It
didn't feel like people play in a character. It just
felt like, this is what these people like, this is
how they move in life. And it was just and
that's the other part about the whole bringing the magic
in it. It was strong and how it was built
and it's fun. Like that's why I like Doctor at

(24:45):
least the other ones. I liked the Doctor Strams films
because it brought an element of fun and just weird
mysticism to it that you just wasn't seeing with all
the practical stuff.

Speaker 6 (24:55):
Yes, and the youthfulness of the girl, so what's the
young host Zelma. The youthfulness of Zelma reminded me because
re Re is doing all kind of like grown up shit.
It reminded me that re Re is a kid, you
know what I'm saying, right right, So the parallel of
the two moms and the two daughters in this teenagers

(25:17):
in this scenario kind of helped to reground things in
terms of like, Okay, these are kids playing with like
for real intense grown up shit, you know.

Speaker 5 (25:28):
Yeah, casually distressing Dormamu, which is in the fifth episode.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
I really love this too, because we talked about this
last week, how it into how this series has grown
this whole world around Reread, full of all these characters
that we've never seen before, and a lot of them
are very well developed, especially like Zelma and Madeline. Yep, yeah,
because I love how there's all this stuff like, oh,
you could have raised me, you know, commatage, you know,

(25:57):
and then there's all the little mentions of you know,
you see her performing magic in the same way that
Doctor Strange and others.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Have done second nature.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
And then that was the other thing I loved the
second nature about it is how her mom, like you said,
not only is her mom, you know, got her own
version of magic, but just how accepting both her mom
and Rere are of this because they.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
Live in the Marvel universe. And that's what's really great
writing to me.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
It's like they're not sitting there like, oh my god,
you know what, I'm running around the magic room like.

Speaker 6 (26:25):
What just happened?

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Oh no, no, what's this is? More like, Okay, that
was a little weird that happened.

Speaker 5 (26:30):
But I guess I always knew you were kind of magical,
you know, free, and now I know you really are,
and of course your daughter is. And you know, we've
all seen Doctor Strange on television at this point for
years upon years, I'm sure s Charlotte Witch and most
of the other you know, quite a few known magic.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Usuma said that like when it happened, and and Reevee's
mom was like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (26:53):
She was just like, well, y'all never heard of the niggas.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
I was like, yeah, you have to.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
And again this goes back to what we say about
the continuity of the MCU. Acknowledge that should happens, acknowledge
that there's a fucking celestial and then see you know
something like that, like you gotta because this happens, has happened,
and let's let's live and have the character speak on
things as if this should happen.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
Yeah, could they.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
All live in a very insane world and that's why
you know they have to acknowledge.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
These things, right, Chris, did you have any to say
about just the magic and how you felt about all that?

Speaker 7 (27:23):
I kind of just echoing what you said earlier. I
really loved seeing Cree Summer. I love the just very
naturalistic acting, just being able to juxtapose that magical aspect
and have it grounded as well as just like a
mother and daughter kind of having this conversation with exposition
about their life and still being connected to what's going on.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
I thought I thought it was great.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
Yeah, it's just and and then you know, just as
a fan of a different world and all that, you know,
it's just great to see Crese Summer hadn't seen her,
I don't remember since maybe at Atlanta, the Atlanta finale. Yeah,
she's also been on Abbit Elnry she's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
So she's been doing great on there. So yeah, just
grounded performances.

Speaker 7 (28:11):
It's just just like they people just step into these
parts and give full of last performances.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
Sarah Hawley, I think that's her last name, Sarah Finn Hawley,
the casting director of Marvel. We've mentioned her for a
few times and she's a goddamn legend.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
You know.

Speaker 5 (28:28):
I will give her praises at every opportunity. I said
it on Threads the other day that she's the most
important part of the MCU because her casting so the
daughter is Madeline, right, Yeah, it's like you just gave
this young actress a role and I can see her,
you know, being right alongside Reread until the end of

(28:51):
the MCU. Now, Like it's just the way that they
keep establishing all these characters and given these actors roles,
actors and actresses roles.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
It's just absolutely amazing.

Speaker 6 (29:02):
Facts, fact facts.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Also in this episode, we see Ezekiel Stain become what I.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Call white lightning.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
So he the hey, they put the ships in him,
and now he got the lightning coming out his fingertips.

Speaker 5 (29:16):
So I want to say, Black common Nerd has a
video where he dispels the myth that there is a
large percentage of heroes of black heroes with lightning powers.
And I didn't watch the video.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
I'm just like, yeah, whatever, be don't give me that truth.
I know the lots is real.

Speaker 6 (29:38):
It's fucking hair.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Come, Ezekiel, he's you know, you know what I mean
when they say we got everybody in Mark, He's the
mark in this situation. You know, it's all right, well,
you know, the one white guy.

Speaker 6 (29:47):
But I guess he leveled up. I mean with level up,
I mean he I mean, do anybody care? I really
was okay? So the only thing Georgia, Yeah, I like
the connection to Obadiah. And then that's where it starts

(30:09):
for me. We spent so much time. There was so
many other things that could have been done with the
time that we spent making sure that this was a
fully fleshed out, kind but stressed out white man, It
was just too much time on this guy who's not
a big enough character even in this universe. Like the

(30:30):
payoff for all this building that we did for this
white man is not even that great, and honestly we
didn't even leverage all right, So so he gets his
strength from uh Re, his inner white woman, his inner
black woman, right, he gets that strength. The payoff for
that should be for me, Like when when Hood has

(30:54):
him like doing his deeds, like doing his bidding, that
should be funnier. That should be funnier. That shit should
lean into more like I got this white man like no,
you're gonna do what I told you kind of stuff
like this shit. If I have to spend so much
time learning about this white man's doubts about himself and
how much he wants to help but he's conflicted, and

(31:15):
there was so much time spent with this, give me
the payoff of like laughing, Like I should know him
well enough to see why it's so funny that the
Hood is controlling him. There should be some comedy in there.
There's also a power imbalance there that can that should
be played up or power. There's some shit going on there,

(31:35):
some dynamics going on there that could be played up
for laughs for my personal benefit because I had to sit.
I had to sit as a black girl watching it
showed us about the black girl. And we spent so
much time on this freaking white man that that we
could have spent We could have spent that real estate
doing other shit, you know what I'm saying. So now
we have the hood who we later learned was kicked

(31:57):
out of his home, dealt with all types of bullshit
or whatever ever, has been yearning for a certain type
of power that he now gets or whatever. We have
this this freaking Exekiel who's a millionaire who lives in
his modest ass house so that he can build fucking
war machines on the loaf for his own personal delight
and fulfillment. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
That should that should have been played up for laughs,
and and we got I didn't.

Speaker 6 (32:20):
I didn't get enough from that. It was like his
whole purpose there was like this is a nice conflicted
white boy. Let's spend a lot of time with him,
so that you niggas could argue about all the time
you didn't spend on other stuff. No, all right, I'm done. Yeah,
his existence. The amount of time spent was infuriating.

Speaker 7 (32:41):
Oh wow, I think of it like that.

Speaker 6 (32:44):
Why that's what I do, Chris, you know that.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
No, I'm aware.

Speaker 7 (32:51):
I think though I thought that scene it was an
episode five or six when he meets his when we
meet Parker's dad, that's later on that.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Okay, that's the last episode.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
Okay, so we can't tell that. No, we mean we meet.

Speaker 6 (33:06):
Down in five, don't we meet him?

Speaker 2 (33:07):
But you know, but you know what, Denisia, when you
said what was the purpose and all that, and it's
actually a really simple purpose and whope.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
I mean, this is the only thing that makes sense
to me.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
It was to give her like a B level rival
that can always pop up, because.

Speaker 6 (33:21):
Yeah, but B level doesn't deserve that amount of time.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
I know.

Speaker 6 (33:25):
That's that's what that's the issue.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Like like, Okay, well i'll get you next time, my
pretty type ship.

Speaker 6 (33:31):
I could have did that in half the time.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
I think it's nothing else makes sense.

Speaker 6 (33:35):
Well, that doesn't make sense either.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
I say.

Speaker 7 (33:39):
I'm just gonna say, as a black man, I agree
with both of you black women, and I think I
think you're right. Uh, Tatiana, where adversarial character before you
get to the Big bad and and I think that confrontation,
I really, I know, I just don't want to go
skip ahead too much. But yeah, conversation they have later

(34:01):
on in the series was good. And it's when you
think that they're supposed to be this trust built that
Reread and he have and then for it to be broken.
You could see that the anger that he has towards
re Read later on. But I understand what you're saying.
They could have used that time to develop me.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Let me ask you a question, DENISEA.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
How did you feel when re read restately or otherwise
did well mistakenly did exactly what Ezekiel asked her not
to do.

Speaker 6 (34:30):
Have you ever helped to parent a teenager? Yes, it
was giving that it was giving, this is what teenagers,
This is.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
What teenagers doing, and he told.

Speaker 6 (34:40):
Them exactly what to do. You believe in them. Their
teenagers are in this awkward space between childhood and adulthood,
and you're starting to see them as somebody who can
think for themselves and do and make choices, and you
trust them and they let you down because sometimes because
they're a freaking teenager, you know what I'm saying. So
I thought that he was on the right track, Ezekiel,

(35:02):
when he was like, you know, you're just a teen
and you're out for yourself and dad. He was on
the right track. Then once he got juiced up on
the steroids, on the electricity steroids, it seemed like a
like the energy, I get the anger. Okay, she helped
to ruin your life. That you had your cushy life
where you able to hide secretly and you know, use

(35:22):
the name or whatever because you're a white man and
you can do anything right. She messed that up for you.
But the rage and the anger, it was bigger than
the real issue, which is that she's a freaking teenager
and she's making teenager choices and you know, playing checkers
on the chessboard.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
Yes, and I do agree with everyone so far, and like,
even though I liked him when he was introduced in
the first few episodes, I did feel like there was
too much time spent on him in these three episodes.
But in his defense and in the writer's defense, I
will say that, you know, if you go to prison,
I'm gonna be quite upset, you know, like I've been incarcerated,

(36:03):
one of the worst things ever. And so if someone
teenager or not. I don't give damned dog you seen me.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
President's also done.

Speaker 5 (36:11):
You know my life, Like you said, put all my
secrets on blast, but you sent me to prison. So
that's quite upsetting. And that's something that does happen in
this episode. Now, his reactions and White Lightning, which we'll
get into more in episode five and six, I was
not very impressed with. I would have preferred to see
him build some type of suit. I know the white
Lightning is from the comics, but it just did not

(36:33):
do it for me.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
And the.

Speaker 6 (36:38):
Lightning I was just about to say his name for
real white Lightning.

Speaker 5 (36:44):
In the comics sees Ezekiel Stain, and I think he
has some name when he gets.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
And I pull it up when he does start utilizing
his problems. But it's literally the same thing that happened
in the show, almost exactly she happened in the books.
So where he put all that technic he's doing in
him and you know, become his own bio weapon.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
Now, something else had happened in this episode that I
didn't want to bring up because it addresses the point
that a lot of people have had with this. And
I saw a lot of comments through the first three episodes,
is why didn't re read just call up Shurry, bro.

Speaker 6 (37:16):
That's on my list of ship that's on my listenship too.
And it's culturally inaccurate. It's culturally inaccurate that she would
not have hit her up. And to some degree, the
only excuse, the only excuse that I could think of
for her not hitting up Shurry at any point in time,
would be the teenager bullshit.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
You know what I'm saying, Like they're just not thinking
that reason.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
Yeah, we know, ta, yeah we know the real reason.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
But also okay, now let me ask this, like, at
what point would you say, okay, I should call Shuri right.

Speaker 6 (37:54):
Because immediately in every episode let.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
Me finish it. Okay, let me finish.

Speaker 5 (37:59):
But like once again, as a teenager, as somebody who's
you know, back in, Okay, let you get kicked out
of in my t you call shery in.

Speaker 6 (38:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Well, first of all, sure, and the and the and
the would have.

Speaker 6 (38:15):
Me right.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Here's my thing. Here's my thing. She was literally she
reb was literally part of a fucking war.

Speaker 6 (38:22):
In the coda against you helped save the nation?

Speaker 5 (38:26):
Yes, so you don't think also helped cause the distabilation
of that nation by building the thing that got stolen.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
Remember that, and she mentions that as well.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
This is like, you're right, Yeah, she is, you know,
quite responsible for a lot of destruction herself, so she
has to hold that and that's her guilt too, which
that go back to because that's what I'm saying. It's like,
there's all you get kicked out of n I T
me personal. I would have called her right then, but
she doesn't. So then she goes home and starts building

(38:56):
the armor. John comes along and recruits her into this thing.
Now she doesn't once she does the first criminal ad,
it's to her it's pretty much too late to call her.
So when would you have called her?

Speaker 6 (39:09):
Okay, you're making you're making valrus, Yeah, I would have.
I would have called immediately Episode one, I'm getting kicked
out of M. I T like, are you do you
know who I am?

Speaker 4 (39:19):
Like?

Speaker 6 (39:19):
I would have hit up sure with the buickness that
if that doesn't happen. So we're still in episode four.
But that point, which I think is episode five or six,
where she goes to her mom and she's like, I
need help. I'm scared. You was you didn't want to
talk to yourn. You didn't want to disturb your mom's
piece this whole time, and you're talking to your mom's
before you hit up. Surey, the most brilliant person that

(39:41):
you know?

Speaker 4 (39:41):
Are you to your point? Anisia? Though, like the teenager stuff,
it's like, I don't know if I should.

Speaker 5 (39:48):
She's gonna be mad at me if I call her.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
But you're right, the teenager of mine won't think ahead.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
It's just like, how do you know until you call
and let her cuss you out, be like girl ye,
and then by the.

Speaker 5 (40:01):
Time she goes to her mom, she's way into deep.
She's done major criminal activities. I know, I know, I
know you don't like you know, you don't like calling
them criminal.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
But to the well, no criminal, I don't like calling
them wrong. You know what I'm saying, Like I don't
know wrong, Like yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
Don't think they're wrong either.

Speaker 7 (40:24):
There they're given circumstance.

Speaker 6 (40:27):
But yeah, but I would have I would have definitely
given But that was also wait a second, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
So she has this Okay, so she's a teenager, but
also she has a whole community of black people that
knew she was down save help and save Wakanda. They
would have her mom would have said, listen, don't people

(40:48):
really know what happened?

Speaker 5 (40:49):
Yeah, and they we're also I think that's something we
downplayed the last review.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
I don't think I really knew about you.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
Remember, like she went to war like these are like
her mom.

Speaker 5 (41:01):
Even said, sorry, yeah, remember this is a war, like
you know, like we don't see all on screen, but
people massive people die et c right in front of
the teenager's face. So she's coming home from that as
we see shell shops still like she still has a
lot of trauma just from that, and so calling them up.
I don't think it's not I will say this because
I even had this issue in the trailer drop when

(41:23):
the professor starts barking on her in that first episode,
I'm like, fun, I went to Wakanda, like shut the
fuck up, you know, But.

Speaker 6 (41:31):
But do they know that? And do they will?

Speaker 5 (41:34):
They definitely don't know there was a war there all
that type of thing.

Speaker 6 (41:37):
So yeah, y'all got me thinking about something else.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Could think about it, Like, it wasn't like it was advertised,
it wasn't CNN very you know.

Speaker 6 (41:45):
I guess I assumed that her mom would know, but
her mom knew that she was at school, so you
know who knows what? Right?

Speaker 5 (41:51):
And remember she got snatched out of school, went to war,
and then back to school.

Speaker 6 (41:57):
That's what does road.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Whatever in Baltimore.

Speaker 7 (42:05):
I'm just gonna say, most heroes have to eat that
stuff anyway, you know, just you have to eat that stuff.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
I was in a war. They don't care. Nobody cares.
We know, the.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
Oldbody cares in real life, you know what I mean.
You know that's for real. You go to war like
I've been to, you know, it's like it's like that
is the reaction.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
Oh that's oh, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
What I want to eat now?

Speaker 6 (42:30):
Like what I do feel with all of her grief
and her mom being woo woo.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
She would have been in therapy, you know what I'm saying,
Like somebody.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
Is tight, money is tight, and you know, I mean
who was making bread?

Speaker 2 (42:48):
But she had to turn to the criminal life for that,
And you're not going to talk to your therapist about
you know, I'm you know, I'm doing big crime. Like
you're not going to have that conversation.

Speaker 6 (42:55):
I feel like I feel like somebody would have had
that girl in therapy, especially she's high profile, she's hot,
she might m my tea might have actually put her in.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
But also, who's gonna make her like you gotta You
can't make her write like you say, we got this
all lined up for you.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
She's gonna say, bet.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Ignore the funk out of you, right, that's her personality.
She's gonna do what the fuck she want to do.
As we keep seeing over and over and over again
every episode to the very end, I wanna.

Speaker 7 (43:21):
Say, who had it worse? Re Read or Jania from
Tyler Perry.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
Straw anybody in the Tyler Perry thing probably has the worst.
I don't even know what are you saying.

Speaker 6 (43:35):
I saw you put that on social What do you think.

Speaker 7 (43:38):
I don't know. It just made me think it. It's
I kind of feel like's got a lot mm hmmm,
because we're gonna find out, you know, we find out
a couple of I.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Mean, Jenia is not dealing with the world and ending
I mean her own personal world.

Speaker 5 (43:53):
But then I go to war I gotta go reread.
People are underestimating this war ship. I think That's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Hate you Chris for even bringing that up, not just
from Straw bro.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
This warship. I think, is you know, being underestimated in
this equation. She wanted to one last thing for this episode.
I didn't want to talk about.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Please I hope you.

Speaker 5 (44:18):
Well, probably not, but uh, I have a Parker breaking out.
Zeke is you know, pretty much the end and he
rates him out of prison.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
I was gonna say something else.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
Okay, no, go ahead and say it, because I just
thought that was well done. I know we hate you know,
we're not the biggest fan of the time spent with Zeke. Yeah,
I get into my biggest problem with him, especially in
episode six.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
Oh my god, but.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yeah, I think the big one of the biggest reveals
really and really heartbreaking and really critical, like an analysis
in like emotional trauma.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
It was Xavier finding out about Natalie Ai.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yes, this is when he first he's like, you know,
the super brings him and then she pops up and
I was just.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Like no, no, Like in my head, I was like, no,
he's not.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Gonna take this good. And predictably, he did not take
that well. And it's interesting because I did. Like a
few people I talked to, there was split. Some of
them was just like, you know, shouldn't they like he'd
be like, not so harsh against her because you know,
it's like it's like a tribute to his sister and
all that stuff. And then the other side, which is
my side, was like I understood fully, was just like

(45:24):
it felt like a violation.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Yeah, and even though.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
It wasn't on purpose, and even Rebe was trying to
plead her case that it was not done on purpose,
which is true. It just the manifestation just happened based
on something she wasn't even calculating, but still.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
It was.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
It was it was hard to watch from a like
emotional perspective because for him to see that, like he
hadn't remember he has said, like I think it was
episode one or whatever. He was like, he's sorry he
wasn't there that night, right, because he also feels like
he wasn't there protect his sister and all of this
stuff that's happened thus far, and then like for this
to be kept a secret from him and then he

(45:59):
sees this and that's probably the first time you've seen
the sisters that she passed.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
That shit is rough.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Unimaginable.

Speaker 5 (46:07):
Yeah, it's a lot with the show that I've been
It's like, I you know, I've lost, you know, friends,
my parents, et cetera. But you know, one of people
ourselves in my life is my sister, and the idea
of a hologram of her or something like that is
I stull don't know, man, I don't I don't know.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (46:29):
I think it's combined also with the way that the
way that she pops up on them, that's like startling.
He might have been able to handle a conversation, but
all of a sudden, my sister's standing there. That's that's
a bit much that that might that might be too
much for me.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
Yeah. Yeah, Xavier still looks very groomed.

Speaker 7 (46:48):
What I was I was talking to somebody of a
black woman about re Rea and black geniuses and emotional intelligence.
Do you think it's like, well, she's so intelligent that
she has I was thinking about like blind spots that

(47:09):
our geniuses have or just people that are really gifted
at things. And she was saying like, well, there's no
emotional intelligence, you know, the Natalie situation, the AI. Doesn't
she think that maybe he might be feel a way
about that? You know, what do y'all think about I
just want to know what y'all thought about it.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Just in general, I will say I know she knew
he would feel way about it, which is why she
hit it for so long, because remember, Natalie just popped out.
She didn't tell Natalie, hey, show yourself to Xavier. Natalie
just popped out. I was like, oh, I want to
see my brother, right, So yeah, I think so. I
do think really understood the implication. So that's why she
hit it. At the same time, I do also agree,

(47:50):
and it's not just like just that genius intellect approach
and you just see that trope in media anyway about
like you're so fucking smart that you have no emotional
idea like right, because and they usually posit that with unfortunately,
like they also conflate it sometimes with things like what's
all like if you're on the spectrum, like they'll they'll

(48:12):
conflate that and be like, well, you know, because they're
on the spectrum, they don't understand the emotion too, right.
Some of them are just assholes, right, like Tony Stark, Right,
You're just an asshole and that's just how you be.
And and sometimes that is a thing, Like I think, I
think it's very difficult to to generalize that. I think
there's a lot of nuance there. But at the end
of the day, I do think that that tends to

(48:34):
be the case where they say, well, you're so smart,
that you're so driven on what you can do versus
how you feel.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
We do see that.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
I feel that, and really is a bit emotionally stunted.
Like she it's hard for her to even come to
terms with her own emotions. It wasn't until later on
this series where she essentially gave in to her emotions
and allowed herself to feel that stuff.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
And when I say feel that stuff, I mean sit
with it, like she's been feeling a way. She is
in pain.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
She is sitting in that, but she never addressed it.
She never gave her the time to grieve or any
of that stuff. So I think, like there's so much
turmoil in her on top of her intellect, on top
of everything going on that I think it's just hard.

Speaker 6 (49:16):
Yeah, and she's also again a teenager, you know what.
So yeah, So for me, like like I don't really
see her as disconnected from emotions. I see her as driven.
I see her sometimes as like having a singular focus.
But she doesn't come off to me as somebody who

(49:37):
is has a lack of emotion or as somebody who
is on the spectrum and has trouble reading emotions. That
doesn't come off for me. I do think that we
have certain expectations of black women. I think that we
adult I mean, she's twenty seven in real life, So
I was gonna say, I think that we adultify black

(49:57):
girls as well, even though we are looking at someone
who is an adult, play a child, or play a teenager,
a you know, nineteen twenty year old. I think that
so like to me, like that reading of her feels
like an adultification and an added pressure. Let's say she
is an adult and added pressure on a black woman

(50:18):
to have to be a show up as one hundred
percent everybody's fucking therapist, you know what I'm saying. She,
to Tatiana's point, she hid her because she knew it
would be an issue. There was a lot happening in
that moment. Nobody asked Natalie to go and get him
and bring her there, even bring him there, you know,
when he meets Natalie and all that stuff or whatever,
is a lot happening, and so she deals with it

(50:39):
as best as she can in the moment we're watching
the show. So of course I'm thinking, are you going
to say anything else to him? Like say something else
to him or whatever. But it's a lot happening in
that moment, And I think that like reads of her
in this show. You know, I'm not as privy to
like the details of her personality in the comics, but
as in this show, I feel like she showed a

(51:00):
range of emotions she think. Yeah, And I think the
way that people read her or talk about her as
having less than emotions is a reflection of the way
that we treat black women and girls in real life.
Because we don't demonstrate or perform our emotions, our joy,
our rage, are hurt in ways that is either expected

(51:22):
or desired, or perform these feelings in a way that
is somehow in service to the people around us, you
know what I'm saying, or care for the people's feelings
around us, or put those other people's feelings first before
our own. Because of that, we are then reduced to, Oh,
they don't have feelings, they don't care, they can't for her.

(51:43):
Oh she's so smart, she can't read you know, she
can't read emotions and stuff like that. Yeah, it feels
like it feels like a manifestation of how we treat
black girls and black women in real life, because I
feel like every episode she's crying, she's laughing, she's wondering,
she's emoting is Yeah, it's it's right there, it's on

(52:04):
his shoulder, she's grieving, it's right there.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
Yeah, because I was. I was telling that person.

Speaker 7 (52:08):
I was like, well, you have to you have not
only seen three episodes, I've seen them all. And then
there is I think there is a realization. I guess
that one of my favorite scenes in the whole series,
I think it happens in episode five.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
But wait, wait, wait, save that then the same Yeah,
I'm not going to say it.

Speaker 5 (52:25):
I'm not going to say it, but to say that
just that there's an arc, I think that you have
to watch the whole thing to really get a read
on not only the decision that she makes, but just
like what the character actually does and what changes her m.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
Yeah, and I agree with everyone.

Speaker 5 (52:44):
I think that we talked about this last week is
that the whole Tony Stark comparison, of course, is trying
to come up. And even like for comic readers, read
Richards is another one of these super geniuses who often
doesn't have a very emotional output. But I think Reread
has a much wider range of emotions than someone I
read Richard's. And while Tony I think is very much

(53:06):
an emotional character. It's just usually but he's an asshole. Yeah,
emotions for the for the situation. He shows you know,
empathy and you know, comforts people, all these type of things.
Like she says in this episode, I don't want it
Xavier to see you because I know how he would react,
while someone like Reid would not even think of that.

(53:28):
He would just immediately show Xavier, you know, the hologram sister,
like right, like.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
Look what I did?

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Yeah, Like it's not on some Doctor Manhattan shit. It
was like, well, what do you mean?

Speaker 4 (53:37):
You know, she's not Spock. She's not spocking.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
You know.

Speaker 7 (53:43):
I was just just somebody had talked with. I was
talking to someone was just like, oh, what did you
see what.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
Y'all thought about it? Oh? No, definitely.

Speaker 5 (53:49):
But I do feel like her issues are one that
she's a teenager and that she is a super genius
and is thinking along lines where she's very focused on
themes and yeah, has a very one track mind about
a lot of things, and so because of that, it
does get her into trouble, and it does lead the
situations where her emotions aren't really expressed or shown the

(54:11):
right way, or might lead the situations like this.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Yeah, definitely, I think that that wrapped up episode four.
The first thing that like hit me on episode five
was that when they was first of all, this was
the Battle Royale in White Castle.

Speaker 6 (54:26):
I was just I love that.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
Okay, people have been upset about that.

Speaker 5 (54:31):
Why well, like for people who have seen everything like us,
because that was like one of the things where they're
like this they could have bought in I don't know,
the Chicago Fast Food or US that's in Chicago.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
I mean it's also in New York. So yeah, that's
the thing. Are those people who were complaining from Chicago?
I think so they were then the fight.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
And what's that the name of the hot spot?

Speaker 4 (54:52):
Chicken Spot Chicken Harold Chicken, Harold Chicken.

Speaker 5 (54:55):
Yeah, Harold, don't much Ben and Harolds.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
It's so good.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
That's not what the was wrong with. First of all,
white cous will probably pay that bread.

Speaker 7 (55:06):
To get but let me, can I say something about this?
So I feel like, I don't know, white Castle kind
of screwed themselves because she throws up her white castle.
Was like, let's be real exactly, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
One or the other, it's gonna come out like.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
No shade, shade the white castle.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
I grew up with that white castle.

Speaker 5 (55:37):
As Atonian dog. I never like white castle was saying
that rappers talked about. That was not a did you'll
have a white house?

Speaker 4 (55:50):
What?

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Maybe like you in Houston?

Speaker 2 (55:52):
But down so they have something called crystals States, which
is almost equivalent.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
So we have water burger.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Yes I'm not we're talking about very particular type of bird.
We're talking about that, well, not white castle.

Speaker 6 (56:06):
No, we're talking about sliders.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
Were talking about slad. I know water, but did y'all
have sliders?

Speaker 6 (56:13):
Did you have a place to have sliders?

Speaker 3 (56:14):
No?

Speaker 4 (56:15):
Nothing.

Speaker 5 (56:16):
Sliders was the thing that like, it wasn't until like
very recently in my life that I was like, okay,
you know, like yeah, you know yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Black castles up north of New York.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
I didn't even realize they did it like that in
Chicago's When I saw it, I was like, well that's familiar,
but yeah, this fight happening, you know again, I felt
like I was on a teching stage.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
It was.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
I loved it so random and like it was in
the neighborhood. It wasn't like some random set piece. It
wasn't on top of the tallest tower. It was on
the ground in a fucking restaurant that happened to be
on the strip where you be at.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Like that makes sense to me.

Speaker 5 (56:50):
All white castles look alike to so like the one
that I've been in, you know, the same familiar familiarity.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Remember, I think I gotta say this, this show was
very black white. I'm not saying only white black people
go to White Castle because they love White Castle in Japan,
I'm gonna tell you that.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
But black people know White Castle.

Speaker 6 (57:08):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
When you see that, especially from a certain region anyway,
and when you see.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
That ship, is like I know that I know that place.
That's for real.

Speaker 7 (57:16):
The first time I had White Castle was I was living.
I lived in Chicago. I used to work at Best
Buy and we used to have six am meetings on Saturdays,
and after those meetings we'd all go to White Castle.
So that definitely is a Chicago for your thing.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
So it's you said, after six am, whats.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
They was there?

Speaker 6 (57:38):
In the morning?

Speaker 4 (57:38):
We were up in the morning. We went to one
get them breakfast sandwiches right there.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
And cheese burgers on your rings at six am.

Speaker 7 (57:48):
I was seven thirty eight, but not it was just
funny that White Castle. It was just like it was
so it was it was random, but it wasn't because
it was just like, oh, White Castle, you know what
they're doing. They're ruining your restaurant and the lead character
is the lead character threw up your food.

Speaker 6 (58:10):
Talking about it, but up some White Castle, right I
had weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
In fact, White Castle has become integral and pieces of
black culture because they helped the fund tew far So
really show. So yeah, you got to look at that
story of White Castle and how that came to be,
like literally, would you help?

Speaker 1 (58:33):
And it was like.

Speaker 6 (58:34):
That's dope, that's dope.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (58:36):
I just remember like it just just as a kid
going to the White Castle on Boston Road in the
Bronx and you could just get what felt like mad
food because everything is tiny. It just felt like, yo,
we're about to have a feast. I could get. I
could get more than French fries as a side. I
like that.

Speaker 5 (58:55):
But my first peri for White cas I was like,
what you know, they brought out sliders.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
I was like, okay, this is interesting.

Speaker 5 (59:02):
Well what By the time I ate White Castle, I
was only eating fish, so I think I had like, yeah.

Speaker 6 (59:07):
They got fish, they have a good fish sandwich, they
got a fish flair.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
And I remember the f I wasn't like mad at it.

Speaker 5 (59:13):
No, I was not like, you know, I've only been
to like, you know, twice in my life, I think,
but you know, I wasn't mad at it.

Speaker 6 (59:20):
Now that we're talking about this White Castle fight. So
I do want to correct myself last week when we
were talking about the siblings, the Blood siblings, I actually misgendered.
I was trying to say they for the most part,
I was trying to say they, but I know I
flubbed a few times. But Jerry Blood is actually trans
masculine in both real life, and yeah, they're non binary

(59:42):
trans masculine person and I hear it in the and
maybe their pronouns were used before, but I heard, uh
Jerry referenced as him in the White Castle. Oh yeah,
so when yeah, but when rose when when when they
go into the into the White Castle, Jerry is like,

(01:00:04):
all right, everybody out, you know, we're closed or whatever.
And then when they don't leave is like he said
get out or he said they're closed. But a lot
of us use multiple pronouns or whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
That's right, Yeah, that's okay, because that's something that like
even with uh the one for magic board, like they
were introduced as they and then at one point I
heard someone say get off her or she needs to
do this.

Speaker 6 (01:00:28):
Yeah, a lot of us use multiple pronouns. I'm she
they when somebody days me, I feel warm and fuzzy
and cozy inside or whatever. You know what I'm saying,
Like it's it's a it's a very important thing. So
it's not uncommon to use flex pronouns.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
It's not they as many people as I can, just
because you know.

Speaker 6 (01:00:46):
Yeah, I think I have to do right, Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah for sure. So I tried to do that last week.
But I think there was a time or two where
where I missgendered them. So I want to mention that,
and I and then I in my research of this
in the comics, are they you want to talk about
them in in the comics a little bit?

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
Are they brothers? I guess they're aliens, you know, like
might not be you know, who knows.

Speaker 6 (01:01:12):
I saw them. I saw them referenced repeatedly as brothers,
so I thought they're.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
The brothers yadd siblings. Yeah, I mean, but they're aliens.
You know who knows?

Speaker 5 (01:01:23):
They're red skinned aliens. They were created by Jim Starling,
and they're very much alien. They don't ever, as far
as I know, even interact with anyone on Earth. So
they pretty much just took the name and you know,
use it on other characters. Gotcha, And I've seen that,
I'm not I've seen two sides of the story, so
I don't know which one is true. Because in the

(01:01:44):
slug is from Madripor and in the comics there is
one slug that I know of, who is this giant,
fat white man who is a crime boss and fought
with Captain America and Captain America's uh side kid.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
Named Nomad and when I knew them, But then.

Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
Someone said that there's another slug in the comments who
this one is based off of.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
I'm not one hundred percent sure.

Speaker 5 (01:02:06):
I don't know if they just took the white Man's
slug and flipped it like they did with the Blood Brothers,
or there's another slug that is based off of I'm not.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
There was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
There was an exchange in the White Castle again, which
I thought, again just the social commentary of the show,
whether that over or not. When the we just said
the siblings, they were saying, you know, when you know
the news comes and they talk about your death, and
and Reeve said, my death won't make the news. Yeah,
I was like, like for her to have to say that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
And then again that's when it came back again from me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Jenny said, when you keep talking about how we get
to remember she's a child, She's a child. That's when
it came back. For a child to be saying that
I'm black child. That he's saying, I was like, ugh.

Speaker 5 (01:02:47):
Like that also says something to how much people know
about her as ironheart, you know, like we were saying,
I don't think the whole Wakonda stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Is very well know, that's not common.

Speaker 5 (01:02:56):
If it was known, like you know, like the Avengers
are known that fought off Thanos or fought off the
thing in New York, I think more people would know
about her dying in a white Castle, right, And.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
She's a genius.

Speaker 6 (01:03:06):
I think, yeah, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
What you say Chris about genius.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
It was a genius. You know, no genius is getting
killed in the White Castle, but not make the news.
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:03:16):
I mean, she wasn't she a Scott What about the
like is it the episode one or two? She's a
black genius though still like black girl gets shot in
white Castle.

Speaker 6 (01:03:27):
I think it would make it would make the local.
It would make the local black paper for sure. But yeah,
so she's She's also witnessed so many people die that
she knows how that goes.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
She had made the news right.

Speaker 6 (01:03:42):
It spoke to her relationship with death as a black
girl from Chicago living in Chicago, which.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
Is Heregarian, Natalie didn't make the news right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
And and and that I thought everything y'all just said.
I just thought about in that moment. And that also
made it hard to take us like she was just
telling her truth. And I was just like, fuck for
you to have to even deal with that thought, which
is what we deal with all the time as black
people in America.

Speaker 6 (01:04:06):
So I did it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:08):
And before we get I mean, we were talking about it,
but like one thing we didn't talk about was the
two fights. Well before the two fights is dimension of
Dormamo in the scene. And you know, Zelma was saying
that it's Dormamu who's controlling everything or behind the hood.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
And what did y'all feel about that?

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
I thought it was funny because we know that's not
the case.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
I already knew who jumping. I'm like, that's not fucking Dormamu.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Like we trained dealt with Dormama already. He played his ass.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Yeah, oh how many times he did that that scene
over and over again against him.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
Remember in the movie where he came.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
He just kept bargaining with him, like literally maybe nine
hundred and ninety nine thousand times or some shit like that.
He already played his ass and Dormama say, get the
fuck out of my house. So we knew Dormamu had.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Nothing to do with this. I did.

Speaker 6 (01:04:51):
Anyway, dor Mamu looked like a nigga in one of
those hotel pamphlets. That's how deep the hotel bullshit can
get where you where you're not looking at a comic book,
you're looking at her for real as black fucking literature. Okay,
and it's fucking black people passing these fucking pamphlets around
with aliens and shit in them.

Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
Okay, anyway, coming soon, Oh oh.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
God, listen, we got pat that, but I just want
to get back and I'm gonna fast forward a bit
just so that we can get through. But really like
it was several things that other things and more like
these realization points, right cause brand and the heroes.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
Are node we need to talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Yeah, some big so we talked. So you mentioned it earlier, Well, no,
maybe a few EPs ago. You was just like, you know,
the mom asked, why are you doing this irons man
suit and the iron suit?

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Excuse me?

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
And Reav says, because I could, And then you know,
she makes sure dig deeper. And that's what we're seeing
that happened over and over this episode where it's just
like like Rea re.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Again, she's going through so much.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Yes, she's a child, and it's so much to to
calculate and interrogate in her mind, in her in her
spirit about everything happening and stuff that she still has
not come to terms. But she has not come to
terms with the death of her stepfather, the death of
her best friend, the way that whole shit happened, which
was traumatic. She has not come to terms with none
of that shit and allowed herself to heal from or

(01:06:13):
even begin to heal from at least that's how I see.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
She's still suffering deeply from it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
And she actually when her mother like kind of pushes
her to talk a little bit more, she goes into
why she what she says, the reason why she wanted
it when she says, you know, the paramedics came one
minute too late, and if I was able to you know,
they was there right, because remember that's her premise.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
When she talks to the MIT people, they said, well,
why are you doing this? They said, this is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Going to revolutionize, you know, the the medical industry, or
does no one to revolutionize emergency care and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
It's really because that was her way.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
She can't turn change time she needed she wanted to
save them, and this is her, I guess, retroactive way
of potentially being able to do something to say them
Like Reebe's whole thing is about I need to do
something I can, so I should, and in that moment
she couldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
So now she's been.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Reconciling with that thought for so long since that happened.
I'm not quite sure when that that that incident happened,
but she's been reconciling with that this whole time. On
top of being at war and this and this and that.
So I just think, like you you see that happening
a lot this episode, like towards this is also episode
where her mom brings her back to the garage and

(01:07:23):
you know, Natalie Ai shows her that imagery, that video
of when Reebe was a child dancing with her father,
you know, having the good times, and you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
See Reevee's like turn that shit off. At first, you
don't even.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Want to deal with it again, just not being able
to come to terms that it's too hurtful, it's too much,
but then being able to sit with it, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
I think that's the best scene in this show.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Yeah, it's beautiful, it's it's incredible.

Speaker 7 (01:07:47):
And that's a great that's a great needle drop with
that that Leon Bridges and I think maybe you guys
might have touched on in a previous episode.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
But like the needle drops on here are really great too.

Speaker 7 (01:07:57):
And I I really I'm a sucker for dad stuff,
especially after my dad died. But like that was just
a pure moment with a black man and his kid.
That's powerful and her and like Tatiana, like you mentioned
her not wanting to deal with it and Natalie saying, hey, no,

(01:08:18):
you gotta you have to face this. You have to
see this because if you forget what did she say?

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
What's I forget the.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Line, but you don't want to forget.

Speaker 4 (01:08:27):
This, right, It's a powerful scene.

Speaker 7 (01:08:30):
And it's like and I think and and to our
discussion about the emotional intelligence, I think that's where the
shift is. And then that's where you see the you
see community come in, you see all that, all that,
all that, those really great montages, but I think that's
where you see her shift. I think that's where you
see her actually come to a realization, uh, to want

(01:08:55):
to do better. Until it was episode six, but you know,
like I really thought that was a powerful scene.

Speaker 5 (01:09:02):
I second, dad, I thought it was very powerful scene.
And again this show said when people have these criticisms
of the show where they're like it's not well wait,
it's not well directed, I'm gonna look at this montage
just really incredibly well done. Having all these characters come
back around, who were you know, some of them were introduced,
like the little boy in the first episode, and to
have him come back around and be part.

Speaker 4 (01:09:22):
Of this community that uplift three read and just.

Speaker 5 (01:09:25):
To show the blackness and that you know, of a
black community coming together, like you said, the black dad
with his daughter, I mean, the super emotional just everything
was I thought that was also great and also a
really great contrast to one of my big problems for
this episode and how.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
The Hood deals with his community.

Speaker 5 (01:09:50):
But I'll get to that in a second, lest anyone
else had anything else to say on that montage scene
and all that's all right, Well, this is where know
me andsaid definitely had you know, uh disagreemental discussions about
last week how to queer representation is on this show
and this episode where when I was like, well, we

(01:10:12):
could have saved some of that criticism, because this is
where I fully agree with you, Like my Manhood just
basically puts the whole queer contingent on the elevator and
sends them away and they do not return.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
I'm laughing because it was like I was rolling on
my second rewatch.

Speaker 5 (01:10:27):
That's when I realized this ship. I'm like, wait a minute,
they're not an episode sick. This is the last we
see him is get on this elevator.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Poof all of y'all tries on his fit and he
says that was the last fucking straw for him. He said,
fuck na, it was like a Martin episode where he.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
Goes, now get the stopping, like.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Fucking kicked them all the fuck out and said Jackal, and.

Speaker 5 (01:10:52):
They don't like, they don't show up again to help
out reread nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
You know, it's just like, get the fuck out of
this series.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
You literally do not see them again.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Literally you even show like at the clown presses the button,
they show the slow mold.

Speaker 6 (01:11:11):
That's enough of that.

Speaker 5 (01:11:14):
And again I have to agree with you, Jay, because
like a lot of the marketing has featured them so
prominently where it's really ridiculous that they get sent away
like this and how they've been dealt with throughout this
whole series. So yeah, I was like, we could have
saved that because you know, it wholeheartedly deserved.

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
It in that moment.

Speaker 6 (01:11:32):
That was well it deserved it when I said it.
But but yes, everybody else, everybody saw it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
That was a that was a physical, physical manifestation of that.

Speaker 6 (01:11:42):
Especially with the elevated clothes.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
It was like you see on their faces head and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Just like I was just like, like, like I said,
the second watch, I was laughing, like damn, they ceremoniously ushered.

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
Them out, text like, yo, hold up, they don't show
up again, right.

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
That was.

Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
Clo on his.

Speaker 5 (01:12:05):
It was also Clown investigating him, you know, because Clown
starts looking into the whole rampage thing and questions him.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
Yeah. Now I love the character.

Speaker 6 (01:12:15):
I love her character, Clown Clown Clown to the end
Rider died all right.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
Yeah, well, you know, also trying to blow up in
his episode, she thought.

Speaker 6 (01:12:25):
She thought that re Re killed. She was told that
re Re killed kill John. She's a writer, you know
what I'm saying, And.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
She's like.

Speaker 6 (01:12:37):
That and she wrote, she wrote that whole we didn't
we didn't mention this. But quickly in episode five, we
see her have a code you know what I'm saying,
because yeah, because she's asked about that white man if
he killed yea Hood is asking and she co signs it.
And she knows she watched walk Away alive. Yeah, but

(01:12:58):
she's still she knows something weird is up. This is
when her intennis go up. This is when it's like, Okay,
this is not really what I thought it was. This
man is not who I thought he was. And so
you know, we get into the bottom of things or whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:13:11):
I think it's an enjoys abusive relationships. Because she burned
up You're.

Speaker 6 (01:13:17):
Gonna make me say something I didn't want to say.
I'm gonna have to say it now, I'm gonna have
to say it. Well, Well, first say what you mean
real quick.

Speaker 4 (01:13:23):
I mean, she burned up her excess car. She's definitely
in that type of you.

Speaker 6 (01:13:26):
Know, we don't know what happened with that relationship, but
that toxic. Sure, anything that ends in that kind of
violence is toxic. But we also don't know what she
was getting her lock back for. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:13:37):
I know I'm not saying it. I'm just saying still, Yeah, sure.

Speaker 5 (01:13:42):
Lots of us have been in toxic relationship we have, right,
and lots of don't burn up cars. But I also
think that just John banging her head into the thing,
that that's where I'm kind of like cold or not
like John, you know, physically abused you Like, that's where
I'm like, nah, you don't know like fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
That you know, like, well you also know how abuse works, right.

Speaker 4 (01:14:04):
Yeah, that's what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:14:05):
And that's what that's what I say about clown where
it's like and that's what I also said about the crew,
they were also a crew who was willing to go
along with that.

Speaker 6 (01:14:13):
No, that's not what Tatiana was saying about to know what,
that's what I'm saying. But what Tatiana say, what you're
saying about abuse and how abuse works well, just in.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
The fact that, like I know what you said, Like yes,
from a logic one plus one equals two perspective, someone
bangs your head into a floor, you would be like
fuck that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
But that's not how that works in that type of relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
If and again if we don't know all the details
about clown, but in that type of situation, and particularly
when you are the victim in that situation, you're not
going to see it in that light.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
You're not that that that that doesn't equate to you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
If anything, that I'm not even gonna say what she
may have even taken that ass But the point is
that that I didn't come to the same conclusion that
you did than not in that type of relationship because
because it could have been a higher deeper relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Than you knew of. And she's going to give what
you would see as a past or.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
Something like that.

Speaker 5 (01:14:59):
But that's no, that's exactly what I am saying. But
I also do say that Clown had a problem with
it earlier. You know, she addressed John, she was like, Yo,
this fucked up.

Speaker 4 (01:15:08):
You know. So that's why I'm like her, she's I
don't I just don't know exactly where she was. Like.

Speaker 5 (01:15:15):
I get she defended Rere in that moment, but I
also don't understand why she didn't, you know, more so,
you know, have an issue with the whole crew as
it is.

Speaker 6 (01:15:24):
I'm gonna say it. I think we're being hard on
her because she's a black girl. I think that that's
I think that that's the association of her as Yeah,
I think we're being she of all the characters, right
of all those villains right in or we'll call them villains.
Of all the villains in that crew, she is the

(01:15:44):
one that we get the most amount of nuance and
depth with, and I feel I just don't see how
somebody could how we can see her as I don't
know she was to me, she was the most humanized,
at least the way that she was written, she was
the most humanized. She was given the most depth, and
it feels like talking about her not that we should

(01:16:07):
not talk about black girls black villains as villains, right,
But I feel like we're being a little bit heavy handed,
and I feel like we're being heavy handed because she's
a black girl. Well this is I'm Chris, I'm talking
about We talked about this last episode together as well.
It's not just this episode.

Speaker 7 (01:16:25):
From this though, I will say that they're the henchmen,
and I think there a lot of them are talented.
I think this Sonya Denise, who played Clown, was just
good because when I saw that moment, that moment when
when Parker was questioning them, and I was like because
because in that moment, I was like, oh shit, he

(01:16:45):
knows it's something. He knows that she's still alive. And
then when she said, yeah, we took care of her
and we did this and we did that, and I
was like, did he believe that?

Speaker 4 (01:16:55):
I don't know, but.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
No, go aheads you were talking.

Speaker 7 (01:17:00):
I think these are I think sending them down the elevator,
I think it's just like a weird way of getting
rid of the quote unquote bumbling henchmen. Where I thought
that White Castle scene was pretty compelling, the way she
eluded them and everything, and I was happy that she.

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
Made, you know, light work of them into a to
a certain degree. But those are the quintessential benchmen people.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
Yeah, I personally like, I didn't. I wasn't tough for
none of them. I was just like that, they are
who they are, and they were chosen for their skill
set in crime.

Speaker 4 (01:17:42):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
At the end of the day, I felt that Clown,
yes she may have exhibited the most, was written anyway
to exhibit the most out of all of them in
terms of humanity. At the same time, she was also written,
in my view, to be a pyromaniac and an anarchist.
And whether you feel about anarchy is you know, everybody
else's business. But like me, I'm just like, Okay, Crime's

(01:18:05):
great plug. They off the bat. They said, I'm from Madrophorre.
Madrophort is basically a land of villains, So I just thought.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Okay, crime.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
And then the Twins or the Tiplings, all they wanted
to do was fucking have a fight club.

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
They were found a club and they wanted to build
another fight club.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
At least they're consistent. But even in a little bit
of backstory, we got they was doing this ship illegally.

Speaker 6 (01:18:34):
Crime.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
So all I saw was henchman.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Yeah, it's not fair necessarily because again, this was all
concentrated within a queer group of people.

Speaker 6 (01:18:44):
But that's what I got from Yeah, And I think
for me, the distinction comes when we start talking about
like somebody's character versus them being a criminal, versus them
being a because I feel like what we were shown
about her character is that her character is biger and
broader and more expansive and nuanced than just being a henchman.

(01:19:04):
And what some of the conversation has been in the
last review and a little bit of this one is
about her character. And that's when it starts to feel
like we're being a little heavy handed with her because
she's a black girl.

Speaker 5 (01:19:16):
And I want to move on, but I just say, well,
I will agree to disagree here because I don't feel
like I'm being heavy handed on her because she's a
black girl. I just think that her I'm asking a question,
like her character is very interesting to me, Like John
beats on her, but then she's willing to blow up
reread over John, and that's you know, that's interesting. That's like, yeah,

(01:19:38):
and I said that last week. I don't like that comparison.
I don't like the term reprimanded.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
But I don't like.

Speaker 6 (01:19:47):
I don't like that shiit either I want, I don't
like it. I believe, I believe, Yes, I believe it's
a bad I believe it's a bad reductive, it's a
productive comparison.

Speaker 7 (01:20:02):
I would you can you can still just because just
because a character is a bad person or a criminal.
It's the same way we we we liked Walter White,
we lost, we liked Tony Soprano, not not the.

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
Same who is.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Jamie Lanister? And he would have been on your side.

Speaker 4 (01:20:30):
I didn't. I'm sorry I didn't watch that show.

Speaker 7 (01:20:33):
But the same but the same way critics lauded Omar
or any of these characters that were considered bad who
were breaking rules. Yes, okay, so you can have empathy
for them, you can have compassion for him. It's a
testament to the work that these actors are doing. It's

(01:20:54):
not you can you can feel everybody has team this person,
team that person. But it's these characters in the world
of this show really is the hero. These other people.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
Are are not.

Speaker 6 (01:21:12):
Thank you, thank you, Chris.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
I said it's right.

Speaker 7 (01:21:24):
I said, it's not all that you can like. I
like my fave the best to me one of the
best actors on the show. Many Montana cousin John a
bad guy, not a good guy episode.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Yeah, yeah, I guess you just again quickly close this
out this episode. Uh, that's this We also see them.
She gets to rebuild the iron Heart suit with the
dad's I don't know what kind of card is that
a Camaro whatever?

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
That car is hot rod.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
Chris the man we're supposed to be like, Oh, I
can tell you how to fix a steak, but I
don't know about that. I can change a tire, Yeah,
I can do that. That's about it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
Great, great, no mascillating please.

Speaker 5 (01:22:07):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
They imview the ironheartsuit with magic, which accidentally racist Natalie
a I. Parker's dad is a horrible, no good, very
bad man on top of any things.

Speaker 4 (01:22:20):
Yeah, I want to mention that real quick.

Speaker 6 (01:22:22):
Yeah it looks great.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
Yeah yeah, right, and dressed down, but is not quite
the best father, because that's what you said we said early.

Speaker 6 (01:22:31):
Oh no, no, no, you're talking about re Resood right,
he wasn't talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
Oh yeah, was incredible.

Speaker 6 (01:22:38):
Nobody remembers what that man was wearing.

Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
I remember that.

Speaker 6 (01:22:44):
He's a horrible father. Let's talk about the dad for
a time.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
That that episode six is that get.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Yeah, we meet him in five, we meet him in five,
we meet him. This is this is when that the
interaction happens with Parker.

Speaker 5 (01:22:55):
Yeah, oh no, you're right, because I have I have
I have that my notes. When he has an orgasm
when he sits down in his dad's chair. Oh my god,
I mean he did, yo, he had a real visible
reaction to sitting in that man's chair.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
It was it was because he got everything he asked for,
he thought.

Speaker 5 (01:23:10):
But on second second, watch it again, second came second,
watching the second time.

Speaker 6 (01:23:18):
A third time, He's like, he does, Chris, Chris, I
want to go to.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
You real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
Because you said this earlier about trauma being a very
center point of this series. We see the trauma front
and center, with his dad not giving a fuck about
Parker since he was twelve. Apparently after the mom died,
he said, I never really liked you anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Nigga, get the fuck out my house.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
So dynamic was way and I'm just like, is this
the Disney thing where they just like all the parents
are trash Like it's.

Speaker 6 (01:23:47):
So fucked up.

Speaker 7 (01:23:49):
Yeah, it's It gives you a reason, his reason for
why he is the way he is, or at least
one of them. His dad didn't love him and he
never got that acceptance because he wanted to be stupid, dumb, rich, power.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
He nasty, crazy.

Speaker 7 (01:24:10):
I never heard that that was that was that was
a lot, but you know he wanted just it was
just a testament to that's that's the reason why he
is the way he is and making him a super villain,
his evil ass dad.

Speaker 6 (01:24:30):
I want to know if they get tired of looking
alike in real life. Okay, they look like family. And
from the moment we saw that man's face because they
flashed to his face in an earlier episode, like, so
that's his dad. So I know immediately, yes, yes, you

(01:24:51):
have him. As I said last episode, you have the
hood walking around with his African face and his right's African,
but it's this it's an African face that he has.
Then you have his black dad show up. This is
the only black dad outside OF's dad who shows up. Well,
he's a black man. He's an older black man with freckles.

(01:25:12):
I'm like, oh, dad, I knew immediately that was his dad. Uh,
And then yeah, he shows up. They I need to
see them in a full separate series Dad and Father
because that was excellent casting it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
He is Puerto Rican and of African indigenous descent, so
well he has a whole African face.

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
So yes, I'm talking about the dad I know, I know, right, Yeah, Roos.

Speaker 6 (01:25:39):
Has an African face.

Speaker 4 (01:25:40):
Yeah, but they do. Look until you pointed it out,
they do.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
No, You're absolutely right.

Speaker 4 (01:25:49):
I hate he went involved with.

Speaker 6 (01:25:52):
You know it?

Speaker 4 (01:25:53):
Brother? Yeah? Damn like hate heure? Yeah? Okay, well like
where y'all like y'all like Hamilton.

Speaker 6 (01:26:03):
No, I just want to know. I want to see
your resume and all the places that you work, because
I'm sure it's places that are questionable on this what
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:26:10):
I mean, you know, I'm saying water.

Speaker 5 (01:26:13):
From where I got to work, cake, you know, like
that off of you know, something like that. I can
say that profounding you know, and you know, hey, how
much K do you need?

Speaker 4 (01:26:25):
Is all I can say.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
The dad Dad said you was a liability. I didn't
want you. Doesn't that he said them words.

Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
Like you? It was like it was I don't want you,
like it was ugly. It's almost real, like it was
something the most differentspects, Like I've heard a lot of
you know.

Speaker 6 (01:26:41):
Bad dads, and I didn't want you.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
Yeah, but it was like that, like he was just like,
get the funk out of here, Like you're just like,
why are you here? Dude? Didn't you get the message
after thirty years?

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
You know?

Speaker 6 (01:26:52):
Yeah it was it was yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
You know, and you know and you y'all said, it
ends with him getting what he wants. And according to Ben.

Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
Him, you know, I mean, he definitely has a fiscal
reaction to citing he does.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
I think that might just be his the influence of
what's going on.

Speaker 5 (01:27:10):
I'm exaggerating for comedic effect, but you know, my man
has a you know, he sits in the chair and
he feels it okay.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
And that leads us to episode six, the big fucking finale.
Who was like to start on this? Uh, we finally
get to see where the hood.

Speaker 4 (01:27:28):
Let's come, let's stip to the you know, to meet it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
That to me, that is to me, we finally get
to see where Parker got the hood from, and it's
from Borat.

Speaker 4 (01:27:40):
Another person who I'm not the biggest fan of, but
I thought he did a fantastic job. Is Mephisto.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
Oh yeah, let's talk about it, do y'all? Y'all do
you okay?

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
So you don't like the casting, ben No, I just
I'm not a big fan of him. Fine, but do
you like the casting?

Speaker 4 (01:27:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:27:54):
I thought he did an incredible job. I love his
flip of absence and it made me I had this
in my notes. Is that like intentional to make the
Devil British, you know, to represent like the British Empire
and that type of imperial.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
That's a good, good, good question.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
That's what happens in Star Wars, right, all of the
Empire they have British accents.

Speaker 4 (01:28:13):
Yeah, and that's kind of like a stage standard type.

Speaker 5 (01:28:15):
Well that that started as a stage standard, but then
when and Or come along, Gilboay flips that to make
it where it's the fact that the British are main
and mainly white, et cetera. Or there's only a there's
one lightstin British imperial we see, et cetera. So that
was definitely using and Or Now I'm not sure if it's.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
He didn't want to one accent.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
You talk about Sasha baron Con as the Mephisto himself, Yes,
he does more than one.

Speaker 7 (01:28:39):
As if it's Baron Cone, it's all that shi it's intentional,
because yes, that is true. He's a master impressionist of
laying all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
So what did you think about the revealed genesia of
Mephisto and of being it being being played by Sasha
Baron Cone.

Speaker 6 (01:28:55):
I didn't have any thoughts. I was like, all right,
you know, okay, none of y'all feel.

Speaker 4 (01:29:04):
Like finally I wanted to.

Speaker 7 (01:29:07):
I wanted because I wanted to ask you guys about it,
because the last time I was on here, we were
talking about the rollout of Ironheart and how it just
seemed kind of lackluster and unceremonious, and it seemed to
me like, do you all think that Disney trojan horses?

Speaker 5 (01:29:26):
Yeah, because everybody, because everybody wants Mephisto.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
Everybody, right, Yeah, I'm gonna say yes and no. Yes,
because this is a great origion way to do it. No,
because they fucked up, because you could have I'm not
saying you could have revealed Mephisto.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
You could not have done that, but they could have
done a better job of it. Really give you something
better than what we got.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
And the trailers and not to say Disney ever tells
the truth in the trailers, but they give you some
more meat. I just feel like they give you something
more exciting. And we were always at least I know,
Ben and I would talk a lot about it, like
they're not really giving us much and they're not trying
to overpower the naysayers.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
It just didn't feel like that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
And and I don't know if it's just me feeling
a way, it just didn't feel like the energy was
there to really be like, let's push this. This is
something y'all have to see. There's some crazy shit happening. No,
you couldn't say me physical. Yes, you have to read direct.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
But I don't know that. I don't know the way
the trailers were cut or what like. I just felt
like it could have it could have gotten.

Speaker 6 (01:30:29):
So here's my question then, Right, so I didn't necessarily
have a heart on for Mephisto coming or going, I'm
not so connected to that or whatever. Did you feel
like what we got with Sasha Baron Cohen did that salad?
Did that like satiate what you were looking for in

(01:30:49):
mephisto appearance? Because sometimes with Marvel, as a movie watcher,
sometimes I'll see a character and I could feel why
everybody was hype for this character. It could be somebody
that's not like my jam, but I feel the energy,
I feel the vibes, and I get it, and I
can you know it's context clues and ship this, you know,
I don't. That's why I said, I don't know. Did

(01:31:10):
y'all get what you were looking for from this?

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
I don't know if I was looking well, I think
that's the first thing. I wasn't looking for Memphisto. I
didn't think that he would be there. And then two
it was it became a joke because since Wanda Vision,
it was like, oh, Mefisto.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
Coming every every corner in the internet.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Every fuck it's been five years where it's like, oh,
that's Mefistos doing. We about to see him at the
end of this episode, and it was never fucking him.
So then for him to finally pop up, it was like,
oh shit, finally my nigga's here. But it wasn't like
I was expecting to see something specific, so I went
in there with nothing, if that made sense, Like, I
just went in there with nothing, and it was like,

(01:31:47):
oh shit, this Mefisto.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
Finally great.

Speaker 4 (01:31:51):
Deal. Right, Well, as like I'm probably think.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
It's supposed to it's supposed to be a big deal,
and I would think that, and when the internet sees it,
I wanted to see how they react to it.

Speaker 5 (01:32:00):
Oh, it's gonna be all right. It's to answer your question, Janisa,
It's interesting, right because Mephisto has been in a lot
of comics since I was a kid. He especially really
interacts with Silver Surfer.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:32:13):
He had a really crazy one.

Speaker 5 (01:32:15):
One of the first comics I ever read was Fantastic
four versus Mephisto and Franklin Richard's there like childhood Son
destroys him and it was really crazy, really dope. But
this whole obsession with Mephisto appearing in the MCU, to
me is some very white shit, and it goes back
to that whole you know, when white people love zombies
and white people love devils. So Mefisto represents the devil,

(01:32:37):
and so that's one of those things. Like I was
talking about this last week. I quote a Bounty Killer
song where I said, you know, before them see God,
them seek the devil, and it goes back to this
because I feel like this is why people have wanted
it so much is they just want that devilish thing
to be.

Speaker 4 (01:32:52):
In the MCU.

Speaker 5 (01:32:53):
Now as far as was I getting what I wanted
out of Mephisto's parents, because I didn't really need much
more than this, I love that one shot they have
where I think you see in the spoon you see
Sasha Baron in the full red makeup, so you see
him as the red face. Oh yeah, when he's talking
to him, it's a spoon or something on the table.

(01:33:14):
It's one shot. They only give you one shot of it.
A conversation with read Yeah, in the final conversation with
when he's sitting at the table, there's a shot of
a spoon off Springshotter when we you know, when the
episodes come out, but there's a shot of a spoon
that has my Fisto in the full red makeup. And
I think there's been like a behind the scenes shot

(01:33:36):
of him because people knew Sasha was in this for
as long as the show has been announced, you know,
people have known that he was in it, and the
rumor was that he was going to play Mefisto in this,
so a lot of people have been waiting for it
and I think that is one of the reasons why
Marvel did the release the way they did, is that
they did not want this to get out, like the
way they held us from even talking about it for

(01:33:58):
the very last minute. They were scared that some journalists
were doing immediately as soon as then Bargo broke go
out of episode six, that would have, you know, sucked,
you know, for people. So I get that because I
even saw on the internet, you know immediately people are
you know making like not assumption, you know, like leaning
into the knowing that my Fisto's in it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:20):
So now that it's out, I thought it was great.
I think it's going to be huge for the MCU.

Speaker 5 (01:34:25):
I think it's really huge for Ironheart to have this
interaction with myth Fhisto because I think it makes her
character much more prominent in MCU. And now we have
to distruss the choices that are made. But I just
as far as her being a part of m CEO,
I'm glad she made that choice because if she had it,
it would have gone back to your moonlight.

Speaker 4 (01:34:46):
Level where we never know if we'll ever see you again.

Speaker 7 (01:34:48):
I think you kind of you kind of answered my
questions about that that the decision.

Speaker 4 (01:34:53):
Can we talk about the decisions she made? Yeah, no,
we can't. This is episode six. That's what I thought
we need to talk about.

Speaker 7 (01:34:59):
I just thought that last scene was fantastic, just the
way they kept cutting back, and I'm like.

Speaker 4 (01:35:04):
She is this the AI?

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
Is this?

Speaker 6 (01:35:06):
Is this a dream?

Speaker 4 (01:35:08):
Is it a dream? Like? So she makes the decision?
Where does that? Can you? Man?

Speaker 5 (01:35:15):
I want I want you guys to like kind of
expound on what you think this will be and how
does how does that decision fit in the whole MCU,
like on a broader scale or is it just is
this just another albatross that is over prereachs back you know,
the decisions she made. I don't know, because, like I

(01:35:37):
recently brought the Doctor Strange multi Verse of Madness, and
the MCU has so many unfulfilled plotlines right now that
I don't know where this one will go because we're
approaching Secret Wars. I don't really know how re refits
into that. I don't know how Mephisto, you know, if
at all, fits into that. Like Mephisto was actually in
the comics a big part of the Infinity Gauntlet, but

(01:36:00):
not so much a big part of you know, Secret Wars,
any version of them. So I don't know how they
fit this in and how it expands. I am just
you know, excited to see that. You know, we we
will have this interaction at some point if you yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
That's that's a good point, Ben, because like you, I
was just like, this has huge implications for the rest
of the MCU. And why I when in my first
review I said, this show, this, this is probably the
most important MCU show since Wanda Vision, if not maybe
even above that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:29):
It has to be there.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
It because of all the different doors that have been
opened now and again like that, I mean not to
say that we haven't seen the magic before, but this
is different the magic with the tech and just the
entry point of this and then introducing such an integral
piece of at least comic book history, right, So on
my like you like that's where I typically sit, Like, yo,

(01:36:51):
this ship is going to be crazy with the implications.
How to answer your question, Chris, what does that mean
for the rest of the MCU. Is we're in the multiverse.
It can mean anything, right, And then on the other hand,
I'm like, it could mean nothing because I have to
repeat it wasn't until this last Captain America movie where
they addressed the celestial in the fucking ocean. It's been
fifty it's been what the ladies say on Titanic, it's

(01:37:12):
been eighty seven years.

Speaker 4 (01:37:13):
That's also remember the writer strike in COVID writers strike
or not.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
It's just like the niggas didn't exist.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
Like, it's just so many things, like we saw a
fucking who's the guy we saw at the end of
the last four movie?

Speaker 4 (01:37:25):
Who is.

Speaker 6 (01:37:27):
You say?

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
And that's like and the universe type of being and
it's just like they tend to introduce these like not
even Earth ending universe and timeline, you know, shifting characters,
and then we're never gonna talk about them again. So
I don't think it's gonna happen with Sasha because Sasha

(01:37:49):
does have a lot of star power anyway on his own,
and I think that he would throw a fit, and
who knows, the deal's probably already done that you know,
he's gonna be around for whatever how many movies and shows.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
But like, I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:38:04):
This is this is for me.

Speaker 1 (01:38:05):
This is the first time Marvel has come.

Speaker 4 (01:38:07):
Back like strong, and to me, this hit, this hit
harder than thunderbolts for me.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
Oh yeah, you're not trying to be nothing, You're telling
the truth. Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:38:20):
Now, I do want to ask this question though, because
Chris said his opinion, I think, but how do y'all
feel about a black girl making a deal with the devil?

Speaker 6 (01:38:28):
All right?

Speaker 4 (01:38:28):
So yeah, I'm so glad that.

Speaker 6 (01:38:30):
I'm so glad you said my name and said, hey, Genisia,
what do you think about this? You go first? Please you?

Speaker 4 (01:38:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:38:42):
So, okay, the identity politic of that, I don't think
is inherently a problem. Do I think that this black
girl who we watched and her mom is with the
Woo woo who we watched, get a piece of that
fabric of that cloak and bring it and both of
Zelma and her mom. Zelma was like, oh, this is

(01:39:04):
this is wicked?

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
What is this?

Speaker 6 (01:39:05):
And then her mom, with the wisdom, was like, get
the fuck out of my shot with this. I love you,
I want to protect you. Get away from the here
because it's not safe, and destroy this. Do I think
that that black girl would make a deal with the devil?
Absolutely not, Absolutely not. I don't think that that black
girl would make a deal with the devil so I
don't have a problem with what I would have loved

(01:39:27):
and what I was hoping for. I really loved to
Chris's point, I really did like the that final scene,
like the back and forth, because we're like, oh, this
is a dream sequence. She's obviously going to tell him no,
or you know, she fixed Natalie the AI or whatever.
So I really liked how they did that. What I
wish that they were able to incorporate either in that

(01:39:49):
scene or you know, if they had taken some of
the real estate that they spent on Ezekiel. I really
would have liked to feel more of why she would
make a deal with the literal fucking devil who had
this cloke that the two some of the you know,
two of the closest black women in her life said,
this is wild evil getting the fuck out of here.

(01:40:10):
I could see, we understand why she would want Natalie
to come back, and we understand that sometimes when you're
dealing with grief and love and loss, all bets are
off and you do whatever you have to do. But
I don't think that this black girl would go that
far where we already know like she's been down this road,
she saw what was going on with the hood. She

(01:40:32):
took the fabric and had it fucking analyzed. She knows
it comes from evil. I don't think this black girl
would make that deal, and I feel like there could
have been and I'm saying this as a totally ignorant
person who wasn't in the writer's room, but just in
terms of a viewer watching the time and watching how
things were done for me, I feel like there could

(01:40:53):
have been a little bit more about why she might
like the pros and cons and why she might lean
further towards making a deal with the devil. I feel
like there's a there's something they could have given us
that would have made it make more sense than it
does in the show that they gave us, Because in
the show they gave us, I don't think that black

(01:41:15):
girl makes this decision.

Speaker 1 (01:41:17):
I see everything Genesie says. I agree with her.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
I also see some duality in it because they also
very strongly gave us the imagery of someone who is
can be one track minded and wants what she wants.

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
They keep pushing that aspect of.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
Her and whatever you can attribute that to her youth,
you know, personality, whatever that keeps coming up, and like
part of that, to me, part of that back and
forth about kind of giving you the sense that maybe
this is a dream, Maybe this is that that's Reb's
dream to have her best friend back, that's Reb's dream
to have been there, to do something to all of that, right,

(01:41:58):
and it kind of kind of does a full ser moment.
So that's why I said the duality comes where I'm
just like, damn, when presented with what you absolutely like,
you know better, you know the fuck better is essentially
what we're saying, and that knowing what you know will
knowing what people just told you an hour ago or
whatever it was a day ago.

Speaker 1 (01:42:20):
But it's like, that's the mistake that gets made.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
I feel like there's always gonna be in the in
our lives as humans, It's always gonna be that one
time where it was like, Nigga, where did that I
Where did that decision come from? What drove you to
that decision? And I agree that I wish they would
have gave us more to maybe make it more real
that she would have made that, because I still question that, Damn,

(01:42:48):
how could really that rev make that decision At the
same time, and again that could have maybe been explained
with more more writing.

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
At the same time, I get it even.

Speaker 6 (01:42:58):
If even if uh, you know, Remick, even if this
episode's Remiic had given us was more persuasive, you know
what I'm saying, Even if Mefisto was more persuasive, because
he didn't feel like he was giving me big persuasions vibes.
I think I would about him.

Speaker 5 (01:43:16):
Though, because I like how he was more like, I
can do this, but it's up to you, you know, yeah,
because he told the Hood the same thing. Though I'm
not gonna make you the king of the world, I'm
gonna give you the tools, correct, And so it's like
that I like that about him where he didn't have
to persuade you because he already knows. And it's like
that's the thing, he already knows what she wants. And

(01:43:38):
so it's like the ability to give someone that. And
then and then I love that line. Reeve had just
something that to go into the whole MCU part of it,
where she's like, the past is the past, and this
breaks all the rules of what was said in Infinity
Warren D game, but they are basically like, you know,
that type of ship can't happen dead or dead you
know this and Mefisto, I mean he even says like,
I'm big in the door man moved like that's you

(01:43:58):
know that dude, can't.

Speaker 4 (01:43:59):
Let my you know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
You know another part of this that for me actually
goes further along with Genesis said about maybe not this capture.
This could have been their their version, their TV version
of they want an Infinity War moment, or they want
a moment where it's like the bad stuff actually does happen, right, yes,
like people got snapped and no one fucking I think

(01:44:23):
this is the same, Like they wanted to have that
moment again because you know, they haven't had that moment
in a while or anything that's even built up to that.
So this trojan horse of a show then putting this
this character in it and then saying, let's have that
moment where it's just like, Nigga, they actually snapped nigga,
you know, the person actually got taken away, or the
person actually made this wild ass decision that you would

(01:44:43):
never think they would make or should have made, or
whatever the.

Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
Case may be.

Speaker 2 (01:44:46):
But the complications of that and the consequences of that
is what reverberates throughout the rest of the whole of
the MCU, and I think this could have been that.
And again, I don't know whether you want to agree
that them doing it in this way. I think they
also maybe wanted this moment.

Speaker 5 (01:45:00):
Yeah, Now, whether or not it's earned is yeah, you
know that that can be argued. I definitely can argue that.
And I you know, I'm not a black girl. But
as someone my first reaction was like, Wow, that's not
going to go over well. And my second reaction was,
I don't know she would have made that choice because
as someone who's raised, like you said, with this black
woman mother, yeah is you know, very much mystical, spiritual,

(01:45:22):
you know, and has a history. You know, Chicago, I
know it is a very black city, so you know,
you probably grew up on a black church, et cetera,
all that type of thing. And someone who myself grew
up and you know, I was like raised in a
Southern Baptist black church, the idea of making a deal
with the devil is insane to me.

Speaker 4 (01:45:40):
But then if someone.

Speaker 5 (01:45:42):
Said I could bring your mom back, I don't know,
you know that that becomes uh, well, you don't know,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
Like we want to give the energy to that, like
you don't and something like that, and to me, it's
all damn near impossible situation. You don't know how thers
is gonna go. Like all that experience and life ship
gets can throw out the window immediately, and then you
make the most wildest decision because.

Speaker 4 (01:46:11):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:46:12):
But at the same time, what you going to say, Chris, Yeah,
I want to say, she you all touched on everything,
but she's also in pain.

Speaker 4 (01:46:21):
How could you make that decision? She's in pain, she
misses her.

Speaker 7 (01:46:24):
Friend, and the more compelling choice is to make that
deal with the devil that we we we would not
agree with it, obviously, but that's the that's the interesting decision.

Speaker 4 (01:46:37):
That's what makes That's what makes it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
What's what's also interesting about it is just like how
the Devil normally works, you don't know what form is
coming in. So remember when when even though it was
juxtaposed between these two different you know scenes, you know,
the scene when she's fixing on her suit and all that,
that's later, that's after she had already made the decision
and she's fixing her suit, going about her time. She's
thinking she's gonna be able the deal work. That she

(01:47:02):
got back Natalie Ai not Natalie herself. So and she
was even a shot, like, oh, that's what you meant
when you said you can give me what I want.
So I think her not even she doesn't also realize
the extent. And I think that's what I'm saying, where
it's like you just make these wild decisions some time,
not really truly realizing the extent of what you did

(01:47:23):
or what the what the impact of that could be.
Like I it was clear she didn't realize that he meant, no,
I'm bringing the person back.

Speaker 5 (01:47:31):
I don't know, because she was that even possible. She was,
she was shocked, bro you she was definitely shot, but
she I think she does know. I think it's more
like a time had passed one and so I think
she just stopped believing that he had given, you know,
what he said he was going to do, because he
says death is hard, but I can do that, you know,
So she knows what he's talking about. But I think

(01:47:53):
once because time has passed, her hair changes, you know,
her bruise is gone. So it's like I think that
is where it's like she just did not believe him anymore.
And then she continued to work on this a, I
continue to work on the suit and then it's like
it shows up again. So yeah, I don't know that
that is.

Speaker 1 (01:48:09):
You think that she really didn't know what he meant
like this.

Speaker 4 (01:48:11):
Yeah, I don't know. That'sble.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
I do not even know what he meant that he
knew that she really believed that that was about to
fucking happen.

Speaker 5 (01:48:17):
No, I don't think she believed it was going to happen.
That's why I think she did it too. I think
it's one of those monkey Paul you know, situations where
it's like, you know, I fuck it, you know, whatever
this is, I'm just going to take the deal, but
not really really the devil. None of this is real,
you know whatever you know, and then when it turns up,
it's like, oh ship. One thing I did want to
say about the whole pizza shop they meet in. It's

(01:48:39):
called desperritos.

Speaker 4 (01:48:42):
Not a word. No, it's not at all.

Speaker 1 (01:48:45):
I'm saying desperad I don't know. That's not what it says.

Speaker 4 (01:48:49):
You know, Google trying to give me the spot, y'all.
I'm like, no, it's brito and it's not a word.

Speaker 5 (01:48:54):
But I think they're just trying to play off desperate
and you know, making it like I guess, uh semized
Italian Spanish you know people, Yeah, that's but that was
also kind of bad to me because it's like, you know,
that's like my Spanish. I'm like, yeah, that's like, you know,
I'm a desperate that's brito you know that Spanish, right,

(01:49:15):
you know That's how I felt to me.

Speaker 4 (01:49:16):
That was really like, but I don't know, I don't
know why you.

Speaker 6 (01:49:20):
Look it up.

Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
Huh, it didn't come in when you look at it.

Speaker 5 (01:49:23):
There is no such word. And that's what it came
up is there's no such word in death reto. I
tried in Spanish and Italian. It's no such word.

Speaker 1 (01:49:29):
It wasn't that spirital No.

Speaker 4 (01:49:31):
I got paused and wrote it out. It's not a word.
One other things because this also, like Enia said, uh oh.

Speaker 6 (01:49:41):
Wait sorry, or is it the spirit?

Speaker 4 (01:49:45):
That's what I'm saying, the spirit?

Speaker 1 (01:49:47):
I was what I was saying.

Speaker 6 (01:49:49):
But why is the Athian the spiritual Italian? But obviously
what's that terrible to make an Italian man had?

Speaker 4 (01:49:58):
And you added oh to everything.

Speaker 6 (01:50:00):
But maybe instead of desperate, maybe it's a play on spirit.
Maybe it's a spirit like lost your soul type.

Speaker 4 (01:50:07):
Yeah, it could be that version of.

Speaker 6 (01:50:13):
You got.

Speaker 1 (01:50:16):
Like what happened?

Speaker 2 (01:50:17):
And that's another thing when you happen to be when
you do make a deal with him, what happens? Don't
he own you with that ship?

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
And if any come and that's another is any coming out?
Is there any way out of that?

Speaker 6 (01:50:27):
I would have liked her to ask more questions, yes,
like one like one.

Speaker 5 (01:50:33):
We don't don't if you don't see that whole scene
between him, that's why, you know, because she might have
asked all the questions of the world and still came
to that same decision, you know. And I think it
was I think it's that monkey's fault thing where it's like,
you know, you don't really believe it, you know, so
you wish upon it and then you know that ship happens,
and you know, then you regret. But one other thing
that I do, like, I really I hated Ezekiel in.

Speaker 1 (01:50:56):
This episode like that he just says, I still got
beef with you.

Speaker 5 (01:51:00):
Yes, oh my god, terrible writing like this is one
I can really say. No, like and even as someone
who's been incarcerated all that, you can be mad about that.

Speaker 4 (01:51:11):
But no, why why where did this beef even come
from at this point?

Speaker 6 (01:51:17):
It's irrational.

Speaker 4 (01:51:18):
Irrational.

Speaker 5 (01:51:19):
But one other thing I didn't want to point out
because you were talking about him fighting and the whole
him being controlled.

Speaker 4 (01:51:24):
I thought it was hilarious when a dude when the
hood was sicking them on people. Yeah, and he's like
jumping at them all crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
In the background, right, he was like because when he
thought real.

Speaker 4 (01:51:40):
He was not moving like that.

Speaker 5 (01:51:41):
And then when he's fighting these people because I guess
it's him trying to resist them or whatever, he's like
just doing the most weird you know, like.

Speaker 1 (01:51:50):
He wasn't doing that before.

Speaker 4 (01:51:52):
Yeah, it was terrible, but hilarious too.

Speaker 5 (01:51:54):
So that was my moment where if you were talking
about Jay, like where you get some more humor out
of the fact this dude controlling him.

Speaker 4 (01:52:01):
That was comedy.

Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
And you guys saw the after credit scene, right, Ye?

Speaker 2 (01:52:06):
So with Parker now seeking help from Zelma at the
Magic Shop and what's gonna happen now that they're gonna
be a team now?

Speaker 5 (01:52:14):
Like what Zelma is definitely that another one that made
bad decisions. So yes, I could see that, you know,
like she's that's.

Speaker 2 (01:52:21):
A teenager, another teenager that's like, we're gonna check this
out yet.

Speaker 6 (01:52:25):
But it also it wasn't clear to me what his
angle was.

Speaker 4 (01:52:29):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:52:29):
It wasn't understanding, right, crazy don't know, We don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:52:40):
Whoever writes the next one can decide whatever they want,
you know.

Speaker 6 (01:52:43):
Yeah, Chris was trying to say something.

Speaker 7 (01:52:46):
Can we also talk about I like that that fight
scene between Parker and oh yeah, very fire when he
had like that as he thought he thought he had
her dad to rights and she used in magic that
black girl man, and.

Speaker 4 (01:53:03):
I thought it was great. I love that.

Speaker 5 (01:53:05):
I love I love the use of the holograph. You
know they've been doing it, yeah, throughout the whole episode,
I mean throughout the series, and then to flip it
on that, I.

Speaker 4 (01:53:13):
Thought that was very dope. CGI is really great in
this Yes, and that's.

Speaker 5 (01:53:17):
Another complaint that people have had, like and it's so
plain yeah people, I mean, because in general it's just
yourrational hate because people say the action isn't well done,
where I'm like, no, it's actually one.

Speaker 1 (01:53:29):
Of the best better actions from all the MCU.

Speaker 5 (01:53:31):
Shows in the story, and the CGI is some of
the better from any of the MCU shows. So it's
irrational hate that people have been throwing this way towards
the show throughout it.

Speaker 1 (01:53:41):
It's crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:53:42):
Also mentioned that Shakespeare made a deal with the devil,
and I love that because I'm a not a Shakespeare hater,
but I'm just a person who thinks that, you know,
giving any one credit to one person is really wild
like that. And also the Ringo star of I mean,
is it Ringo Ringo? The Beatles made a deal with
the Double.

Speaker 6 (01:53:59):
In this universe, in this universe, okay, I think, I
think in.

Speaker 4 (01:54:04):
Real life definitely I'm a Beatles. Yeah, no, no doubt
about that.

Speaker 5 (01:54:09):
They made several deals with the Double for that matter,
and all of the forms one hundred and also another
great shout out.

Speaker 2 (01:54:16):
So, guys, so now that we've gone through all these
episodes and now we know the whole series, what would
you rate the serious scale? A? B, C or D
Oh my gosh, he could do.

Speaker 4 (01:54:28):
My plus plus this, you could do plus B plus
A minus.

Speaker 6 (01:54:34):
Okay, I'm gonna go B.

Speaker 7 (01:54:36):
Okay, Chris, I'm gonna go a black compelling locked in.
I haven't been this locked in since uh Jonathan Majors
is part and man.

Speaker 5 (01:54:51):
Damn, I just love the specific of it, like just
that part of his part, Yeah, specifically, Yeah, and what
was the series he was in?

Speaker 4 (01:55:04):
What was right? He was the Yeah, Loki was solid.

Speaker 1 (01:55:09):
He who remains. Yeah, well that was wasted.

Speaker 4 (01:55:15):
Has anyone say magazine dreams I did? I talked about it,
your figure, we're talking about this. I went, I went
and I went and saw it because we'll talk about it. Yeah,
we'll talk about it. That deserves its own episode.

Speaker 1 (01:55:31):
I would rate. I would rate iron Heart. I would
give it an a minus.

Speaker 2 (01:55:38):
And the minus is only because again from the second
watch to seeing the certain things, and it's a it's
a minor minus, but it's still a slight minus.

Speaker 1 (01:55:45):
I'm just like, that was like I could do that
a little better or could have done without.

Speaker 2 (01:55:49):
But yeah, everything else I think was phenomenal from the
top of the bottom.

Speaker 4 (01:55:54):
So that elevator ship was trifling and Zeke was whack.

Speaker 5 (01:56:00):
And I liked him at first, but just on the
second watcher was like and then electric powers was weak.

Speaker 4 (01:56:07):
It was like, you know, I got it, and it's like.

Speaker 6 (01:56:13):
It.

Speaker 2 (01:56:13):
But at the end of the day, even though they yes,
they may have spend way too much time him, but
he still wasn't the main character.

Speaker 1 (01:56:18):
It was still very still much re.

Speaker 5 (01:56:19):
Read day so yeah, and it's still re reverses the hood,
and they that was very well done. You know, their
whole main beef was very well done, and they did
well by a lot of the side characters.

Speaker 4 (01:56:29):
I just I really will agree with you here that
way too much. I was pen on my man Jesus
Christ if.

Speaker 1 (01:56:35):
That especially to do more with him than what we
ended up with, which was I got beef with you.

Speaker 6 (01:56:40):
I see you tomorrow, don't. We got real black problems
over here. Worried about beef with you getting out.

Speaker 4 (01:56:51):
I'm about to go do a deal with the devil.

Speaker 6 (01:56:53):
I got, man.

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
What's your man? What's your rating?

Speaker 5 (01:57:00):
I said, B plus, ain't minus? Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely
I will like and I will say this again, fuck
all these haters r fucking off from the bottom of
my fucking heart, like I have, oh my god, nothing
but disrespect for you, and I have a lot of
disrespect for like the one I was going off with
today where they said this show is not black enough,
and I sent that to Gimizia because I was like,

(01:57:20):
I don't even know if this person is black. They
at least felt black for the capital B. But then
I feel like the other side of it where that
sexism in comes in so heavy, because their first thing
was this show is not good, and then when you
ask them why, they said the briding, et cetera. And
they could go on all day. But then when you
ask the specific reasons, they have none and least. And
then when they're like, well, it's not black enough, it

(01:57:41):
leads me to be like, well, no, you just hate
women because this show is mighty black, you know, and
very black enough for an MCU production.

Speaker 4 (01:57:49):
But they and that was the other thing. They were like,
you know, the MCU just Disney just cheeps using blackness.

Speaker 1 (01:57:54):
And it's like, do they really liked.

Speaker 6 (01:58:00):
Breathing?

Speaker 4 (01:58:00):
Like did you think Black Panther was like, you know,
the Disney just using blackness for real.

Speaker 7 (01:58:07):
They can't see any humanity in us. Like I've said
this on countless podcasts that I've been on. Just when
I was a kid, I watched all the black black
people in general. For the most part, we consume all
of popular culture. I grew up like, Ooh, Hanso was
cool in Yep, Luke, Skywalker, Superman, Batman.

Speaker 4 (01:58:29):
I want to be like that.

Speaker 7 (01:58:30):
Yep, white people cannot do that when they see something
like a black panther. They it is so hard for
them to do the math or whatever it is, the
cultural math or whatever it may be, to really connect
to a character that's uh, you know, breathing just in
Pump's blood, just like them, so that they're they're never

(01:58:52):
gonna get it, and I feel sorry for him.

Speaker 5 (01:58:56):
Shout out to all those of white kids who were
dressed up in Challa costs because we got video and
picture of y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:59:01):
Soo, y'all better stay on the right.

Speaker 1 (01:59:03):
Path when y'all grow up.

Speaker 6 (01:59:04):
We got on the right path.

Speaker 1 (01:59:09):
Come back like we don't have to say this show.

Speaker 4 (01:59:12):
Remember when you remember when you had comic on.

Speaker 2 (01:59:15):
Twenty three to shoot? Thank y'all so much for joining
us for this review of iron Heart. We appreciate both
of you. Chris Genisia, thank you for your time and
your energy, your love, your reprimands, all that stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:59:28):
We love it. I reject that terminology once correction, correction,
my feedback, your feedback, you wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:59:38):
I mean, I don't know what, I don't know. We're wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:59:43):
All of you were wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:59:46):
And then thank you for your apology as well. Thank you,
thank you for your apology as well.

Speaker 3 (01:59:52):
Ben.

Speaker 1 (01:59:52):
We appreciate you right to cut in.

Speaker 6 (01:59:58):
You doing side by side. Can you please tell people
yeah anything you recond, Yes, yes, yes, thank you for
having me. You can always find me over at TEA
with Queen and J podcast. I'm on socials at t
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the letter J. And you can also find me if
you want to hit my personal at gen C A

(02:00:20):
F J A N I C I A F and yeah,
listen to t J podcast over there.

Speaker 1 (02:00:26):
Wonderful.

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Thank you. Oh, and support me on Patreon. Get me
I need that money, okay. I'm trying to stay out
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if you want to support me in an easy passive way,
hit me on Patreon. It's much appreciated. It helps me

(02:00:48):
to keep running the show and keeps me off the
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Speaker 2 (02:01:01):
Can you please let people know if they can find
you what you're working on, your your special with the
netflixir whomever you're.

Speaker 4 (02:01:12):
Okay, Hey, you're part the four all Nerds Circle trust.

Speaker 2 (02:01:15):
Honestly, you need to speak that to existence because, to
Ben's point, the four a nerd circle of trust, people
be meeting then happen.

Speaker 1 (02:01:22):
Yeah, you have to speak that to existence one day.

Speaker 4 (02:01:25):
Well, you don't even need that flix. You just need
millions of views.

Speaker 7 (02:01:27):
You need people to watch it so I can sell
tickets and there you go, and so they can say
that that guy is funny.

Speaker 1 (02:01:33):
Yeah, but who are you and where can people find you?

Speaker 4 (02:01:36):
Chris Lamberth. You can find me at Chris Lambert dot com.

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You can listen to my podcast, The Mundane Festival, available
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Speaker 5 (02:01:46):
You can see me do stand up and in your town.
God Willing and fall Nerds fan. You know, I'm a
big fan of comedy, big fan of stand up. And
I went and saw Chris a special and I really
can't wait for everyone to see it. It was really great,
really heartfelt. He had some really I mean, like you've
talked about it on this show, you know, the passive
his father. He had some really great moments in it.
And yeah, just you know, big up for that man.

(02:02:09):
It was really great. You almost had me in tears
a bit there because you know my my father's also
passed and oh wow yeah yeah, both my parents have
now you know, transitioned on.

Speaker 4 (02:02:17):
So yeah, yeah, I felt that very strong man. That
means a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:02:21):
Yeah, no, thank you, and again shout out to Genisia
because like she said, we need that money, so make
sure you.

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Speaker 5 (02:03:32):
I just want to give a shout out to everybody
watching and listening and in general, like even if you
are watching the show, you know, tell friend to tell
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the fact that Ironheart was number one all weekend on
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Speaker 4 (02:03:44):
That was fucking amazing.

Speaker 5 (02:03:46):
Because I already know that when these episodes dropped, it's
don't be you know, through the roof for a long time,
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