July 21, 2025 • 44 mins
Well... listen... not trying to start anything but maybe they have a point? Guess you'll have to listen to this very special episode featuring the one Jason Clark, fellow HU graduate joining the show for the very first time with a hot take... Just press play and thank you for watching!!!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On this episode of For All Nerds, I talked to
one of our listeners who tries to convince me that
Star Trek is better than Star Wars.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I don't think so. Hey, what up?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
And that's This is Tatiana King, the Grand That's is
of Tech, also known as Madeline Pryor's Dark Chocolate Phoenix,
Lord of Light Sabers, Tatiana Kang, the Conqueror, and the
Coldest Winter Soldier ever. And today I'm joined with a
special guest, mister Jason j Clark. Jason is on the
show for one major reason because he did what we've
(00:40):
been asking y'all to do. Email us, tell us how
you feel about what you want to hear on the show,
about what you would like us to talk about, or
any feedback that you have. And Jason has some major feedback,
and we'll get to that to just a second, but
I just want to give you a chance to introduce yourself.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Jason. Please let the fan fam know who you are.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
As you mentioned, the name is Jason of the House
of Clark, Cater of Trump of the uss Endo Prize
one nine oh six. Shout out to the good bruhs. Yeah,
I've been fullwing y'all for a minute, and Trek is
on the way. And I know Ben DJ Bennamans a
big Star Star Wars fan. Hear him talk about it
all the time. But I was like, wait, what about
the other side. So that's why I had to reach out,
(01:20):
like can we can we show some love to what
you know is probably one of the best shows of
all time. That's just me in my opinion. Yeah, so yeah, again,
thank y'all for responding and allowing us to have this
conversation and making space looking forward.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
To Yeah, of course, and you are a fellow Howard
lum classic ten so ah, you know, so you know
we have to get the HBC you love in there.
And also just again just talking about fandom for the
perspective of people of color, I think that's the biggest part.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Well as so you haven't mentioned this yet, and I
mentioned it to Ben. I was also working with Combat
when he died. So I used to work at I
used to work at Serious ExM, and so I was
working with Combat because during a transition, if anybody is
a fan and we went from Backspin to Rock the Bells, Combat,
Jack was bringing his podcast and doing a radio version
and so as a producer on those channels. I was
(02:13):
working with Combat and great you know, no, no, don't
you go into it too. D A great dude. Love
working with them and figuring that thing out until unfortunately
that time happened. But yeah, so there was a lot
of connections. I was like, you know, there's too many
connections I had to reach out. So yeah, all them things.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Oh that's well, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Obviously, rest in power Reggio say, you speak his name,
you you speak as praise, so thank you. But wow,
quite a history you have, so it makes sense that
you are you know, you support the fan fam.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Okay, as mentioned you you noted to us.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
She was like, you know, it's all lots of Star
Wars coverage but no Star Trek coverage.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
It seems I know that.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Like throughout the years that we've been doing a show,
I have always been the Star Trek person, the person
who said they like Star Trek that you haven't read. Okay,
but to be fair, you haven't really heard the peep
out of me for many years from Starry Trek, and
there's a reason for that.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I don't care anymore.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I'll explaining you why the last, the last and it
hasn't been for.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
A long time of me not caring, right.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
So the last series that I was really invested in
was Discovery, and Discovery was done like twenty twenty four,
so it wasn't that long ago, but that was the
last time like I really was like into it and like,
you know, trying to interview the cast and this that,
like I actually spoke to sneak with Martin Green a
few years back at not Comic Con, but New York
(03:39):
Comic Con, and that was when like they were just
preparing for the show. So we're talking about like twenty
nineteen or something like that.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
That's actually probably sixteen sixteen sixteen.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Ye, it's been a while, right, so and that's also
when I got to I did some amazing interviews that
year for that. But the point is like it's been
a while, right, And that's the last time that I
felt compelled enough to really be into it.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
That's not to say that the shows haven't been good.
I did watch.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Clips here and their pieces here, and actually some episodes
like The Card and things like that.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
But it just hasn't moved me like it used to.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
When I was younger, and I have been as I mentioned,
the Residents Star Trek, like I've always pould Trek over Wars.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
But then in the last I don't know, maybe five
years or so whenever, like Rogue one came out. When
was that?
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Oh oh, even more twenty twenty seven, look at that
twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, that's interesting, right, Star.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Trek Discovery and then Rogue one right around the same
time it started to.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Really set the set, you know, go off.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
That was my entry into being like a bigger Star
Wars fan.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
And okay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
And through that time, like you, it grew and you
got things like the Masterpiece that is and Or and
that could helped me deeply.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
For a variety of reasons. We can get into that later.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
What I'm trying to understand from you is as how
do you bring you back to that side of things?
How what would you say to somebody in my position
where I'm just like.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yo, I really would love it. I was always waving
a flag for it, but now I'm kind of like.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Eh, that's easy. That's easy. It's if you were into it.
You have to check out Prodigy and Lower Decks. The
animate yes, okay, animated, but they are two of the
best Star Trek things like everybody's gonna talk about the
(05:39):
nineties track and the older series and they hold their
own weight. They're some of my favorites too. But what
they did with Prodigy and Lower Decks is some of
the best trek and literally, especially speaking towards Prodigy, they
provided a blueprint of how to honor and show tribute
to what is in the in the past, but also
push it forward in a new way, which is But
(06:00):
I can understand what some of your frustrations like, especial
when talking about Discovery It.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I mean, the Stummach was cool, and I like that.
I mean I was drunk because there was a black
woman leading, right and then yeah, and then.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Of course Michelle Yo and everything that comes along with that, right,
Like so, so there was some cool concept there and
I really messed with it.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
But after that I was just like, they're.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Not speaking to me, and I didn't you know, I knew,
I know, knew about Lower Decks, but I wasn't into
the idea of Trek from an animated perspective.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
And I also I admittedly didn't give it a chance.
So what's so, like, what's happening, what's the tone of Prodigy.
What's this tone of lower Decks.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Lower Decks is, as I like to call it, is
Star Trek from a Star Trek fan, as if you
put a Star Trek fan inside the Star Trek universe
and allowed them to live, Like that's like it's literally
these lower deck ensigns, but they are also fans and
literally aware of the Trek universe and all these things.
So it's literally like if you were a fan of
whatever you loved and you were able to live and
(06:56):
be in this universe, That's that's what lower Decks is,
and so lower Decks is really you're going to enjoy
that if you know previous Trek because it's literally easter eggs, jokes,
references and adult situations, good hilarious watch Like that's not
necessarily Trek Trek, but you need to love Trek to
kind of enjoy it. Prodigy is the one for true
Trek because it's a great entry door for new fans.
(07:17):
Like one of the problems is a lot of people
didn't want to give it love because yes, it was
an animated show, it was being marketed for kids. The
first season aired on Nickelodeon, So a lot of these
a lot of people are like this, it's not targeted
for me. Yeah, but checking it out, it's It's did
some of the best work in essentially establishing what Star
Trek is. If you've never heard of it, never been
(07:38):
introduced to it, it literally kind of gives you everything
of the basic level because it's bringing in these outsiders
and so you're literally learning what this universe is along
with them. And then once you get the season two,
it tells a story that pushes the franchise forward, which
is one of the problems the franchise has had, especially
with Discovery, like it didn't know how to go forward.
(08:00):
Prodigy was like, okay, yeah, we got some great things.
We're gonna honor from the past. We're gonna include it.
If you understand some of these things, great, If you don't,
that's okay, it's no biggie, and then told a great
story connecting a lot of various different segments. So if
you want to get back into it, Prodigy is well
worth the time. Unfortunately, hard to tell to catch, like
right now, unless you go get a physical copy of
(08:22):
season one, you can't mind it available. You can't find
it because it was taken off Netflix already. Season two
will be taken off, I believe at the end of
this year. So it's one of those physical media things.
If you don't have it, you're not seeing it right now,
which is a shame because it's the best trek in
a long time.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Well that's paramounts fault and I really irritated about it.
And this is kind of something that I've been saying
just about like protect, preserve feed and physical media. Use
physical media because the way that shit works now, how
everything has been digitized.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
It's also a form of control. Is also a formed
of really almost controlling.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
The truth too, because if you have everything digital and
you could just erase things on moss and then say,
well it doesn't exist or that never happened, you don't
have any proof, right and no one has.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Nothing to tap back into.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
It's always been something I've been pretty wary about, even
though I'm a tech person. At the same time, I've
always been like, there still has to be a path
to Foo ownership.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So which is why I'm like physicals is important.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Well, you know, and let me stick on the Prodigy
a little bit, but like, can you explain to me,
like what not necessarily what it necessarily is talking about
but like, is it fun?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Is it is it serious?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Like?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Watch that care It's.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Because it's Trek, and Trek is all those It's going
to have fun, silly, ridiculous, crazy things. But then that's
also it's going to get at some heart. It's going
to get at some when I tell you Prodigy is
knocking it out. The fucking part that is the surprise
because because you're like what again, You're like, oh, this
is the kids show. It was made for Nickelodeon, it's
(09:59):
the cartoon, ain't no na. They are hitting you with
Trek tropes like they're hitting on the commentaries of you know,
youth agism, they're hitting on the commentary of outsiders versus insiders.
They're hitting on you know cause essentially, it's following the
story of four kids who don't know what the Federation
is never so you're learning about it through their perspective,
(10:19):
and then you kind of get caught up in this
story with some legacy characters and multiverse, like it's it's all.
It's multiverse, it's time travel, it's all. It's everything that
makes Trek trek, so it's not just one thing. And
that's the best thing about Trek is because it's not
just one thing. It's a bunch of different things, and
Prodigy carries it all. It's beautifully animated. You know, chip
(10:42):
porn is a big thing. With Star Trek. You got
to have beautiful ships to look at. They fly, It's
it's a you know, and even with the being animated,
it's got some beautiful ships, some great battles, some great scenarios.
It's it is no lie top tier Trek and so
one what you put it, like, how do I get
back into this? That is the show? If I was
like and like even if you've never heard the track,
(11:04):
because one of the questions is, okay, all these series,
how do you tell somebody who's maybe never gotten into
it where to start.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I'm not gonna start here.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
You could start a Prodigy, okay.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
And let me ask you a different question.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
How does the stack up against Star Wars animal shows
like Clone Wars.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I think I've seen con Wars Wars. Corn Wars was good.
I would probably love Clone Wars more if I was
a real Star Wars fan. I enjoyed Clone Wars. Okay,
Star Trek Prodigy is just on to me as a
Star Trek fan On a whole another level. But if
you were looking at all things equal, it's probably on
(11:42):
the same level. You know, if you look, you know
it's taking some of the fandom out of it. They're
probably both on the same level, just high quality in
what they're doing. Like you want good storytelling, Yeah, it's
right there.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Well, you know, the other part about this is that, again,
why I've been giving Wars Star Wars so much more
energy is because that they're dealing and and there're some
not all of them, but a lot of them are
dealing directly with issues that matter to me, particularly as
a black woman, particularly as a black person in America.
Stuff like that, like again mentioning and or and or
(12:17):
it's just a beautiful, well written story.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
It's it.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
It has so much in terms of the cinematography, it
has so much in terms of the message, and so
much in terms of revolution. And not to say that
Trek had never talked about that, but like, I just
don't recall the time recently when that has been the case,
and I could be wrong. So I'm just trying to
figure out, like, as a black person, a person of color, whatever,
why should I care about where Trek is now? I mean,
(12:44):
that is brave New Worlds, and that's and that's pipe
and that's a white man. I don't care about the
white man.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Is a hard question to ask right now. I'm not
mad at you, Like it's this new era of Trek
isn't quite right. I'm gonna just it isn't quite right.
It is not hitting on this same level that it
used to be with some of the way it spoke
to societal issues, like right now, the way the TV
market is set up, like Star Trek is the biggest,
(13:13):
is the biggest franchise period in TV history. That's a
long discussion. There are several points in terms of you know,
there's a lot of things with TV that we consume
now that we do because of Star Trek. You think Cliffhangers.
We love Cliffhangers because of two shows, Dallas and Star Trek.
You know, technology and stuff. It's Star Trek. The way
they were speaking to societal issues in the nineties and
(13:33):
even in the sixties, it's Star Trek, you know, and
all these different shapes and forms. So you really have
to go back for some of that stuff you're looking for.
And I think that's what a lot of us are
looking in the franchise going forward is to get back
to like it's one of the peak things is Yes,
Star Trek is a societal commentary. That's what it does.
That's what pissed people off. That's why Southern States wouldn't
(13:54):
air the Kirknew who are kissed from back of the
day because you're not going to have this white man
kissing this negro. You know, it's there, the history is there,
and Trek has stood loudly, and I think right now
a lot of us is kind of like, yeah, what
are what are you doing? Discovery track B Yeah, and
they're not. And part a big part of that is yeah,
ten episode season, so it's all story story, story versus
(14:18):
you know, what we used to back in the day
was cable airing was yeah, you had twenty six episodes,
so you could take two or three here that didn't
have to do with some big overarching thing and get
into some real, deep in the neat stuff, whether it
be you know, issues with sexuality or gender or you know,
race politics or environmentalism or you name it. Star Trek
has addressed it. But just right now, the way the
(14:41):
TV scene now streaming is set up, you can't do
that and that's one of the biggest problems as you
know what discovery is. You didn't have that space to
breathe and grow and to really get into some character
niches and really understand some of these folks because you
only got so much limited time, right with these shows?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Do you think though it was just because is they
don't have enough time? Or should they need to adapt
and get better writers or better people involved because and
only had twelve episodes and did some a masterclass, right,
like looking at seasons like The Bear there's only eight
episodes and like set the tone at the time for
what that type of TV could be, like how much
(15:19):
you can express in characters in a short period of time.
So it's not like it hasn't been done in a
shorter format. So what's Trek's problem? Why can't that go?
That's why I'm like, is it just the people who
are involved in the creation of these episodes?
Speaker 2 (15:33):
How do we What are your thoughts on.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
That the blueprint is there in Deep Space nine, start Trek.
Deep Space nine single handily to me, is the best
entry of in the franchise because it was doing serialization
when nobody was doing serialization like me, I do the
reason one of the reason why I hear I host
the podcast where we review Star Trek and you know,
(15:56):
me and my co host, my good friend Eric Berry,
we're talking. You know. One of the things that D
Space nine ended on was this epic nine episode arc
and we're like, this nine episode arc in this one
season to close out the series was essentially one season
in today's TV landscape, and so D Space nine, you know,
a lot of people are like, oh, it's too serialized.
It was different than all yours, but it does. It
(16:18):
was no longer anybody else. It's no longer anybody else
doesn seasons, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
No, it was a lot going down.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
They did the arcs, and it's a lot going on.
But it's one of the reasons why that show has
kind of gotten a new life now because folks were
able to consume more of it at one time and
see how these things connect. And so, yeah, it may
not be we need a twenty six season episode. Yeah,
maybe you do need twelve, or you know, maybe for
one story, do you need eight. I think it's one
of those things you need some people in the room
to play with this thing. It doesn't have to be
(16:47):
one formula I'm with you on that. It doesn't have
to be either or, but I think there's somewhere in
the middle to be able to do this thing. And
again taking it back to Prodigy, that's one of the
best things about Prodigy is you have these condensed seasons.
This Prodigy is essentially twenty episodes in a season, but
they're only thirty minutes. And so what they're doing twenty episodes? Yeah,
(17:08):
but you know, you think about the math, it's ten
ten hour episodes, ye yea yea in a sense. But
what they do with that space, it's incredible. The stuff
they packed in. You're like, wait, why are they able
to pack all this in and this short amount of time?
And then yeah, you have a show like Picard or
Discovery or Strange New Worlds, and we're sitting here scratching
(17:29):
our heads like what's what's the disconnect? And so I
can really I think it comes down to you, as
you mentioned, who was in the room, who was putting
these things together, and who has these ideas. And I
think it takes some flushing out and some faith to
try something new because that's when things start checking. It
always pushed the boundary. It hasn't always been about looking
behind or sitting in this stalager. We're stuck in this
nostalgia period. It's like, come on, we have to move
(17:50):
forward to some point. And so yeah again Prodigy, you
want that feel of kind of bounce back and forth again.
That that is the blueprint for Trek to move forward.
That is what you need to tell a good story,
I think in this day and age and still be
Star Trek. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And you know, like I said, my level of caring
about the franchise has diminished significantly, But what happened is
my respect.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
So it pisses me off.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Like to be honest, like when you were mentioning in
your email, you were like, Yo, why don't y'all talk
about it? I was like, I'm going to show him.
Why am I talking about it? Because what I did
was I want on Google, not Google, I wan on YouTube,
and I was just like, let me just let me
just see where is the state in terms of publicity
or you know, promotion or popularity. The three piece pasically
(18:37):
promotion popularity of Trek as a franchise.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
And it is sad.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
It is sad in these streets like I want on YouTube,
they even just the views, the views is sad and
I'm just like not and it's not really becoming of
what once was. And I understand, like, you know, it's
we're writing on that nostalgia factor, but I'm like, all
those people are so much older now and don't and
aren't some of them not.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Even around no more? How do you tap.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Into We got the millennials and gen z now, Like,
where's the focus on us? And where's the focus on
as mentioned bringing a different voice, bringing in different fresh
eyes to it, and.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Stop relying so much on the nostalgia. Like, yes, Star
Wars has.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
The elements of that, but like they have moved on
considerably from just pure nostalgia.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Here's the difference between Star Trek and Star Wars and
this thing. I'll take it there is. Star Wars for
the longest time think of it didn't have nowhere near
as much content as trick like Star Wars, norly just
now in the in the last real the last decade,
but easily since you know, some of the stuff in
the early two thousands has only just now kind of
entered the same realm on the TV side as Treks. Yeah,
(19:51):
WS has mostly been a film franchise. I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
And let me say sorry one more thing, and let
me say this is not to say that what I
just mentioned obviously Wars still has a lot of nostalgia
factors there.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
That they don't solely build stories upon that. They try
to build other stories that may have happened around, like
as in the case of Rogue One, where it's just like, yes,
this is about the story of the Death Star and
that and the plans and all that stuff, but it's
like it's giving you something new about how the plans
got delivered to the rebels in the first place, you know,
shit like that.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
So but continue, so I might get in trouble for this.
Star Wars is a simpler show. And I'm not trying
to make this Star Wars for a Star Trek right now. No,
but Star Wars is a simpler show. Let's just be honest.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
And Wow, you're gonna get yelled at for that.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
I'm gonna get yelled at. But it's okay. Star Trek
is a very heady show. It is very you know,
it's very heady. It is very much so all about
the characters and what are we saying, what are we
trying to address and in this day and age where
that's it's coming for folks, like people don't want to
be preached to. Sometimes people don't want to be lectured
to if I don't agree with this message or as
(21:01):
we see the whole progressive woke all this like that's
star Trek gets thrown in with that because they tried
to push things forward. We saw what happened with Discovery
and the way they tried to bring in some trans
characters and you know, or people who didn't just stuck.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Even though these characters have been existing for thirty forty years.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
This is crazy, just like.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
How they're doing with Superman now all Superman, is it
something I'm like, the nigga came up from to a
Jewish man. What are you talking about? It's always been
about this.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
He fought the.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Nazis first, he was fighting kick Like a lot of.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
This, a lot of the what you mentioned.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
The the wild feedback is just from I don't want
to just say uninformed people, but people who just don't
want to see the truth that's right in front of them.
It's like, this isn't revision, it's history that's happening with
either wars or tracks.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So what are y'all talking about.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Well, how dare you present something to me that doesn't
agree with my own viewpoints? And that thinks that's kind
of you know, as we talked to this whole society
being echo chambers and things, it's easy to see how
it showed like Star Trek kind of gets disregarded because yeah,
it was very much so, Yeah, this isn't right. We
should care about the earth, We should care about other people.
Your race shouldn't matter, your creed shouldn't matter who you
(22:08):
like if you believe something else, we should all be
able to get along. And you know, it's not about money,
it's not about commercialism. We're literally just out here for
the betterment of ourselves and seeing what's out there. It's
not a popular message in this day and age, and
that's one of the biggest struggles is how do we
get that message in something that people are going to
enjoy or want too quick on a streaming service in
(22:28):
this hot topic environment, and that's it's a hard thing
to do.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
How do we get the publishers and these production houses
to stop being bitches and go to like, let these
stories come to fruition, Like we saw what happened with
and I'm gonna use Star Wars as another example. We
saw what happened with What's My Girl Root from the
Hunger Games. Oh my god, I just lose.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It, Acolyte.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yes, you can varying, like when we reviewed it, and
you know, we liked most of it. There was parts
that we had notes on. Fine, whatever, but at the
end of the day, we saw the potential, right, and
that was another true story where it didn't rely solely
on nostalgia.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
It try to bring something new across the board.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
But it had a black female le character and out
the gate before any episode dropped, it was immediate, I
have a problem.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
With this, and you just iron Heart.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
We saw that with iron Heart, right, and you continue
to see that with iron Heart.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I have a comment on the iron and I purposely
did it because I'm a troll. I have a comment
on Marvel's Tit not TikTok on their ig from one
of the Ironheart things where I said, iron Heart is fantastic.
Hater's gonna hate. And to this day, and this was
weeks ago, to this day, I get the bots and
I'm just like, I can deal with it, right, these.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Production folks and all that stuff they seem like they
can't deal with.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
It, the the paramounts and the Disney's in this and that.
It's like why, it just seems like they're scared. And
I feel like that's the same thing kind of happening
with Trek, like they're scared to just deviate, Like I
don't who are they, as I mentioned, who exactly are
they catering to right now with these Shrek stories besides
(24:16):
the good ones that you mentioned that are out right now.
But the problem is they don't even promote those and
you just mentioned you mentioned before that you can't even
see the first damn season of Prodigy unless you found
a physical copy, which where the fuck am I playing
it on?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
They don't know. And outside of Star Trek and Star
Wars in the bigger media things, now you're really tap
into the stuff I like, as you know, communications person
and all that kind of jazz. It's just a vibe,
like literally Millennials and gen Z, there is a day
vibe vibe. Gen Z consumes culture differently. I'm not trying
to paint everybody no light or anything like that, but
like the scene has shifted. People are consuming things differently
(24:54):
and say what you want about Trek. Trek has told
the same stories over and over and over again on
all they do was just kind of shift the technology forward.
And I think this weird space where right now, yeah,
the technology is low key matching some of that, and
so we're like, Okay, what does the future look like.
I think that's also half the problem. Right now we
don't we don't know. We're not feeling too believable about
(25:17):
it anymore. You know, it's you know, it's it's feeling
real bleak around here. But again, that's low key what
inspired Star Trek in the first place. You know, you're
talking sixties, that's Cold War, that's you know, the you know,
the Russian Wall in Berlin and all these types of things.
It's the same kind of scenario. So you kind of
need that thing to come together to be like, look,
(25:39):
may be a little tense right now, but there's still
hope for the future and there's still a betterment. And
but I think we believed all that in the nineties
as kids who were raised in the nineties, yet we
got dead all that a lot there is hope we
were the future, the children are the future. Recycle this
Earth Day, all that kind of stuff. And we've kind
of been on a decline since, and I think that
(25:59):
that's hard to turn that around because it's just like, well,
if things look real shitty right now, can it really
be all that good? And we see that with a
lot of content, it goes dark because I think that's
how we feel and trying to find that light. Yeah,
it's it's a hard thing to do. But again, I
think that's what Prodigy does well and knocks it out
the park. But you need somebody to come in and
(26:19):
be like, look, it's we're gonna be all right, here's
what the future can look like if we want to
strive toward towards it, or this is what we you know,
this is the picture we're gonna paint. Nobody is painting
that picture. It's going to be interesting what they do
with Academy because Academy is really going to be the
first future. So essentially Starfleet Academy, it's it's they've shot
(26:40):
one season already, Season two is already they're shooting that
right now. That's gonna be the next series that that
will come next year, and essentially it's going to be
a bunch of cadets at Starfleet Academy set in the future,
right post post discovery, So this is you know, we're
it's brand new territory. We're not in the past. We're
not dealing with anything. There's gonna be some legacy characters
in it, but we're going to be far in the future.
(27:01):
So it's going to be interesting to see with this show. Okay, cool,
you're dealing with younger the youth, younger people. What what
are we painting a picture in Because in this future,
the Federation isn't what it used to be. It's kind
of being built back up, it's rediscovering itself. So it
be interesting to see if they use this as a
true Okay, this is what Star Trek can be like
(27:22):
going forward, so that I'm not completely closing the door yet.
There is some hope we'll see I like this.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I mean, and again all all respect, no disrespect. It's
is executive produced by Alice Kurtzman, and that he has
been the mind behind this for the.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Last we're kind of in right now, that's what they
call it, right.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
The era, and is it gonna be the same thing?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Like I don't know who the writers are, who who's
involved in the writing of this, but like, are they
bringing like are the people like even the casts themselves,
are there people of color in there? Are there non
binding or people like? Like, where are they going with it?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Do you know?
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I mean it's been a while. There's there's definitely a
sister on the show, one of the cadetual black women.
The cast looks good from what I remember. We ain't
seen no footage back that. We ain't no teasers, no,
nothing like that. We don't know much. We just know
the people involved. The cast is solid. But yeah, the
question is what stories are you going to tell? And
(28:19):
Star Trek stories need to be about the people, need
to be about saying something so hopefully, especially in this climate,
if you're not saying nothing in this climate. Yeah, taking
care of that for a minute and come back in
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
And you know, you made a good point when you
mentioned the tech and as mentioned when I was a kid,
the reason why I was so drawn to it because
I was a techie and and I was always drawn
to that versus worth because I saw like the scientific
applications of everything happening Trek and as you just mentioned
very rightfully, so a lot of that stuff is actually
(28:51):
real life now We're just like, all right, what's next?
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Where is the innovation?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Like did they decide we're just never going to bring
new technology ever again? And maybe I've missed it because
I haven't been watching. Have they introduced anything new? I
mean it's always been the tractor beam has always been
the hologram. Room has always been to transport and all right,
and like like even like the way it used to
(29:17):
be is just like in one room alone, like depending
on someone's job function. They had a variety of things
where it's like, oh shit, that was we had that
in real life, that would be wow, right like and
now we got it. And I think the only thing
that's like, for example, the doctor. You go to the
doctor's office there, the doctor's office like we're in school.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
But if you go to the.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Doctor's office there they have like the little machine. I
don't want to call it a needle, but hypospray that's
what it is. We got that yet, but like that
was some new shit. It was like, wow, they did
that ship without the needles?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Great? Where's that?
Speaker 3 (29:52):
It's scary right now because you said a lot of
that stuff is here now because literally we were inspired
by a trek and people are like, oh, that's cool. Great,
this phones like c phones, your iPad, your tablets, hell yea,
everything with AI and Star Trek has said a lot
about AI. That's that's scary. It's one of the things
that I think Disco failed at because Disco got to
(30:15):
jump to the future, sorry spoilers, got to jump to
the future, and they introduced some things that was kind
of like, eh m hm again what we need somebody
to come in and really be imaginative. And I think
the problem is we've seed. We don't know what does
that look like? Like, I don't know if I could
paint some like crazy stuff right now, because it's kind
(30:36):
of like, yeah, what I.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Mean, what would you want to see right now? That's
technic tech related that we don't got. I mean besides
saying stuff like like you said, they already have the transporter, right,
they say, get from one place another in the blink
of an eye, Okay, whatever?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
What is something flying? The stuff of shuttles?
Speaker 3 (30:52):
And they painted themselves in a corner in Discovery literally
are something they're calling programmable matter and literally with this thing,
you can create anything wherever you are at any and
so it's like when you're at that point where literally
I can literally create anything I want at any moment,
and it's kind of like, oh, you've hit a ceiling
and it's one of the things that the star truck
(31:13):
has done wrong. It's painted itself into some corners in
this person era it hasn't needed to, and god, you're
hitting the ceilings. Oh yeah, okay, So literally I can
create anything in my hand at any point. Yeah, well
what else? What else is there? You know?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:30):
So I.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
But I like the fact that you mentioned Starfleet Academy
because I didn't even realize this was something coming up
again because I have not been paying attention. But it
is coming up as like a drama. So I'm like,
drama in what way? Like are they going to be
tapping into some Love Island type shit or like, what
do they mean?
Speaker 3 (31:49):
You just hope it's not a c W teen show.
That's that's what a lot of us are just hoping.
We just don't want to see W teen show again.
I have hope in one hand, but on the other hand,
being a realist, I'm like, I'm waiting for the disappointment.
Like it's I'm waiting, you know, And that's sad to say.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
But again, they can be good about trying to get.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Again again, but doing to get back in is prodigy.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
And lower decks and lower decks.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Okay, those will not disappoint you. I'm a realist, Like
I love Trick, but I'm also on these ones. I'm
not going to shell out for it just because I
love it. No, because hit the mark. I need you
to hit the mark. You're better, You've done better, be better,
Like I'm not here to accept just mediocre scraps for
the sake of calling it Star Trek and being able
to be like, oh, yep, this new Star Trek to watch. No,
that's not the world I want to live in, because
(32:40):
best leave. I'd rather go watch the old stuff and
enjoy good quality. If you're gonna keep going forward, make
it worthwhile. This franchise is turning sixty next year. Sixty
there is There's no franchise been around that long consistently.
Because even even if it's breaks, sixty's biggest break, Star
(33:02):
Trek's biggest break I think was five years from from
when they started the motion picture in seventy nine. You
had a twenty five year essentially straight stream of content
between movies and TVs. Up until about two thousand and four,
two thousand and five, then you get the movie in
O nine thirteen sixteen, and then now we're in the
(33:23):
streaming era from sixteen on. So once this current edition ends,
we'll be in Star Trek doesn't go through dry spells
like that, Like, it's been pretty consistent.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
And dry dry right now, and so it's one of
those things like Okay, yeah, do we need to take
that reset, do we need to like yes, get into
the room, figure some wild stuff out.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
But again, it's it's it's this climate is it's right
and also wrong for it all at the same time.
It's a weird storm.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Make how do we I don't know if you have
any ideas, but how do we make it cool? Like
not to say that it was cool during a jj
Abrams era, but like at least it was mainstream. I
feel like this is not even mainstream no more like
it's not having blockbuster films, it's not having must CTV opportunities.
It's just like, if you're a fan cool, you know
(34:13):
about it, and if you not, we're not even gonna
try you.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
If you want to make it cool again, swing for
the fences and fight for me. If it's me, I'm
calling up Ryan Cooper. Hey, what kind of story would
you like to tell in a Star Trek set? Because
that's the beauty about it is Star Trek can literally
be anything. It's literally just you take it's sci fi,
so take it, put it in the future, play with it.
It could be anything, as long as you're speaking about
(34:39):
the people. So yeah, what what kind of scenario would
you like? What do you want to comment on? And
so yeah, I'm going for young producer, young filmmakers, young producers,
young writers, because yes, it's we need to let go
with some of that nostalgia and be like, okay, yeah,
what what are what are the issues of today? And
strangely enough that the same things that's back in the
day to a big extent, what's the new viewplating on it?
(35:00):
You know, we're not where we were fifty sixty years ago? Okay, cool?
What does this race issue look like now? You know?
How do these things pop back up? How do we
touch it again? And that's one of the best things
Star Trek has done. It's telling the same stories over
and over again, just different allegories, different things, And I
think that's where you get creative is bringing in that
new blood. Somebody's going to be like, yeah, let's let's
(35:21):
swing for the fences here. That's how we did it before. Cool.
Now it's time for something else. It's time to switch
it up. And so that's what I'd love to see
is Hell, get get a Quinta. You know, you want
to do some comedy or something, Get Quinta up here
to produce something. You know, get get get you know,
get get a get a trans director or you know,
a trans writer, and like get get people with different viewpoints.
Let them fight it out if they need to, but yeah,
(35:43):
figure something out. Because I think the best part is
Star Trek doesn't have to make a point where it's like, yes,
this is the right way. Some of the times it
just asked the question and it lets you figure it out.
And that's what we need to show that's going to
be willing to ask the questions in ways that'll be
like okay, hmm and make you sit with it for
a minute.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
I mean, I feel like it's not because a lack
of money, because it's still here and I feel like
if two people were watching it, it would still be
running like it's a CSI show, you know, I've always
felt like that, like it's one of the things that's
just always on TV because it's always going to be
on TV.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
But that's not enough for me.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
And I like what your ideas, like what you're saying
about that, especially like when you mentioned Ryan cool I
was like, oh, Ryan Cooler's take on this.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
This ship would be sick, that it would go crazy.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Some afrofuturism in there or something, or you know, you
start playing, you know, because I think the beauty is
literally you can create whatever you need. You just need somebody.
It's gonna be like, Okay, yeah, we in the future
in some years this is the technology and yeah, b
in space that's all. That's all it is. That's all
it is.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Well, I will say that you've been somewhat successful at
making me think, oh, maybe I am missing a little
bit of something, So I will. I don't know if
I'm gonna be able to get to producty because you
made it like it was a diamond in a rough somewhere,
but I will I know that it's super available, right.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Like, oh, everything, And again you mentioned paramount plus is
the problem and or paramount.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Is a para is the problem?
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Everything is on the service.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Somebody else. Just let someone else whole check. But then
again I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yeah, yeah, but no it get if you could hit
that Amazon Prime real quick, find you a season one
DVD for Prodigy and then make sure you can't. Season
two is still on Netflix till the end of the years.
You can, and it's a quick it's a good bingeable watch.
They said they're thirty minutes enjoyable. That's that's the way
to go to give you a taste of of what's
really good. Then the other stuff you can check out for,
(37:40):
just like season three off a card, Oh Chef's Kiss.
If you are a fan of Old Trek and know
like that is that issaug A lot a lot of
people were asking for which is great. I don't need
all of that, you know, switch it.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Up a little bit, No, not, I agree with you
for car was pretty good.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Okay, I think you're successful. I will give it a
shot and I might comments on it during the main show. Okay,
So okay, because again I appreciate that you challenge us
and said what happened?
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Why y'all don't care? Why y'all not giving it the
same amount of love.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
But but thank you. You mentioned before you have a podcast.
Can you tell us more about that?
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Sure, it's taught us Star Trek from sixty thousand Light Years.
You can find it on all social platforms at st
the word from six zero l K y S what
It's me and my friend Eric Barry better known as
Treky before seven. As we kind of have been ranching
up to this sixtieth anniversary next year, we've just been
going through each series just kind of looking at it,
(38:44):
so taking, you know, what is what was this series doing,
What were they talking about? Did we like, what we like?
What we not like? And kind of taking that that
that high you know, far away view sixty thousand light years.
We're not getting to the nitty gritty. We're not doing
episode by episode and now it's just kind of the
big picture for all these shows. And so we're getting
ready to start Discovery and I've been putting that off
because that's just gonna be a lot of issues. But
(39:05):
we're gonna get into it because we talked about Axe.
I love Star Trek, but I'm gonna criticize where it's due.
So check that out. And it's it's a fun it's
a fun time. If you ever, you've never been a
Star Trek fan, you just want to get a little taste.
Check it out. We give you why it's important, what
it means to us as fans or as people who
love it, and our connection to it. So yeah, definitely
check us out.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
And yeah yeah, and where can people find you they
want to argue with you?
Speaker 3 (39:29):
J Clark seven eighty seven. All platforms, please, I welcome
the smoke. Bring bring you know I I one. I
have your opinion, like for example, your iron Heart reviews.
That's the type of shit I love. Like to be
able to be like, nah, I love this, I hated this,
not they failed here, And because there's the beauty of
(39:49):
between all the episodes and to see the dynamics change
and actually having that conversation, that's the type of smoke
I love. If you told me you hated Trek and
couldn't stand its guts and connect, I should be like,
this is why I'm.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Not gonna hate you.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
That's that's fair perspective, you know it is. But can
we at least talk about it from not some not
just hate Treck I hate you. No, No, let's let's
talk about it and have this discussion. So yeah, bring
the smoke. That's one of the things we do on
the show. It's, you know, because doing He's a white guy,
so and he's one of the reason why I asked him.
It is like we're coming from different perspectives. You're doing
it from this mainstream thing, but you're not going to
look at some same ways I will. I'm looking for
(40:24):
some of those cultural connections. I'm looking for those times
when it says something a little different or a little deeper.
But then it's also nice to hear him if he
does catch it, or he has that respect for it,
or he's bringing perspectives I've never heard. And that's really
what we do on the show and one of the
things I just enjoy in general. So you want to
have no conversations with me and I talk about it all.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Bring the smoke, Okay, I love it. I love it, Jason.
Thank you so much for being on.
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Thank you for taking a time to talk to me
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On this episode of For All Nerds, I talked to
one of our listeners who tries to convince me that
Star Trek is better than Star Wars.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I don't think so. Hey, what up?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
And that's This is Tatiana King, the Grand That's is
of Tech, also known as Madeline Pryor's Dark Chocolate Phoenix,
Lord of Light Sabers, Tatiana Kang, the Conqueror, and the
Coldest Winter Soldier ever. And today I'm joined with a
special guest, mister Jason j Clark. Jason is on the
show for one major reason because he did what we've
(00:40):
been asking y'all to do. Email us, tell us how
you feel about what you want to hear on the show,
about what you would like us to talk about, or
any feedback that you have. And Jason has some major feedback,
and we'll get to that to just a second, but
I just want to give you a chance to introduce yourself.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Jason. Please let the fan fam know who you are.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
As you mentioned, the name is Jason of the House
of Clark, Cater of Trump of the uss Endo Prize
one nine oh six. Shout out to the good bruhs. Yeah,
I've been fullwing y'all for a minute, and Trek is
on the way. And I know Ben DJ Bennamans a
big Star Star Wars fan. Hear him talk about it
all the time. But I was like, wait, what about
the other side. So that's why I had to reach out,
(01:20):
like can we can we show some love to what
you know is probably one of the best shows of
all time. That's just me in my opinion. Yeah, so yeah, again,
thank y'all for responding and allowing us to have this
conversation and making space looking forward.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
To Yeah, of course, and you are a fellow Howard
lum classic ten so ah, you know, so you know
we have to get the HBC you love in there.
And also just again just talking about fandom for the
perspective of people of color, I think that's the biggest part.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Well as so you haven't mentioned this yet, and I
mentioned it to Ben. I was also working with Combat
when he died. So I used to work at I
used to work at Serious ExM, and so I was
working with Combat because during a transition, if anybody is
a fan and we went from Backspin to Rock the Bells, Combat,
Jack was bringing his podcast and doing a radio version
and so as a producer on those channels. I was
(02:13):
working with Combat and great you know, no, no, don't
you go into it too. D A great dude. Love
working with them and figuring that thing out until unfortunately
that time happened. But yeah, so there was a lot
of connections. I was like, you know, there's too many
connections I had to reach out. So yeah, all them things.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Oh that's well, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Obviously, rest in power Reggio say, you speak his name,
you you speak as praise, so thank you. But wow,
quite a history you have, so it makes sense that
you are you know, you support the fan fam.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Okay, as mentioned you you noted to us.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
She was like, you know, it's all lots of Star
Wars coverage but no Star Trek coverage.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
It seems I know that.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Like throughout the years that we've been doing a show,
I have always been the Star Trek person, the person
who said they like Star Trek that you haven't read. Okay,
but to be fair, you haven't really heard the peep
out of me for many years from Starry Trek, and
there's a reason for that.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I don't care anymore.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I'll explaining you why the last, the last and it
hasn't been for.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
A long time of me not caring, right.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
So the last series that I was really invested in
was Discovery, and Discovery was done like twenty twenty four,
so it wasn't that long ago, but that was the
last time like I really was like into it and like,
you know, trying to interview the cast and this that,
like I actually spoke to sneak with Martin Green a
few years back at not Comic Con, but New York
(03:39):
Comic Con, and that was when like they were just
preparing for the show. So we're talking about like twenty
nineteen or something like that.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
That's actually probably sixteen sixteen sixteen.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Ye, it's been a while, right, so and that's also
when I got to I did some amazing interviews that
year for that. But the point is like it's been
a while, right, And that's the last time that I
felt compelled enough to really be into it.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
That's not to say that the shows haven't been good.
I did watch.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Clips here and their pieces here, and actually some episodes
like The Card and things like that.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
But it just hasn't moved me like it used to.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
When I was younger, and I have been as I mentioned,
the Residents Star Trek, like I've always pould Trek over Wars.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
But then in the last I don't know, maybe five
years or so whenever, like Rogue one came out. When
was that?
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Oh oh, even more twenty twenty seven, look at that
twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, that's interesting, right, Star.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Trek Discovery and then Rogue one right around the same
time it started to.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Really set the set, you know, go off.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
That was my entry into being like a bigger Star
Wars fan.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
And okay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
And through that time, like you, it grew and you
got things like the Masterpiece that is and Or and
that could helped me deeply.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
For a variety of reasons. We can get into that later.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
What I'm trying to understand from you is as how
do you bring you back to that side of things?
How what would you say to somebody in my position
where I'm just like.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yo, I really would love it. I was always waving
a flag for it, but now I'm kind of like.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Eh, that's easy. That's easy. It's if you were into it.
You have to check out Prodigy and Lower Decks. The
animate yes, okay, animated, but they are two of the
best Star Trek things like everybody's gonna talk about the
(05:39):
nineties track and the older series and they hold their
own weight. They're some of my favorites too. But what
they did with Prodigy and Lower Decks is some of
the best trek and literally, especially speaking towards Prodigy, they
provided a blueprint of how to honor and show tribute
to what is in the in the past, but also
push it forward in a new way, which is But
(06:00):
I can understand what some of your frustrations like, especial
when talking about Discovery It.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I mean, the Stummach was cool, and I like that.
I mean I was drunk because there was a black
woman leading, right and then yeah, and then.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Of course Michelle Yo and everything that comes along with that, right,
Like so, so there was some cool concept there and
I really messed with it.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
But after that I was just like, they're.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Not speaking to me, and I didn't you know, I knew,
I know, knew about Lower Decks, but I wasn't into
the idea of Trek from an animated perspective.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
And I also I admittedly didn't give it a chance.
So what's so, like, what's happening, what's the tone of Prodigy.
What's this tone of lower Decks.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Lower Decks is, as I like to call it, is
Star Trek from a Star Trek fan, as if you
put a Star Trek fan inside the Star Trek universe
and allowed them to live, Like that's like it's literally
these lower deck ensigns, but they are also fans and
literally aware of the Trek universe and all these things.
So it's literally like if you were a fan of
whatever you loved and you were able to live and
(06:56):
be in this universe, That's that's what lower Decks is,
and so lower Decks is really you're going to enjoy
that if you know previous Trek because it's literally easter eggs, jokes,
references and adult situations, good hilarious watch Like that's not
necessarily Trek Trek, but you need to love Trek to
kind of enjoy it. Prodigy is the one for true
Trek because it's a great entry door for new fans.
(07:17):
Like one of the problems is a lot of people
didn't want to give it love because yes, it was
an animated show, it was being marketed for kids. The
first season aired on Nickelodeon, So a lot of these
a lot of people are like this, it's not targeted
for me. Yeah, but checking it out, it's It's did
some of the best work in essentially establishing what Star
Trek is. If you've never heard of it, never been
(07:38):
introduced to it, it literally kind of gives you everything
of the basic level because it's bringing in these outsiders
and so you're literally learning what this universe is along
with them. And then once you get the season two,
it tells a story that pushes the franchise forward, which
is one of the problems the franchise has had, especially
with Discovery, like it didn't know how to go forward.
(08:00):
Prodigy was like, okay, yeah, we got some great things.
We're gonna honor from the past. We're gonna include it.
If you understand some of these things, great, If you don't,
that's okay, it's no biggie, and then told a great
story connecting a lot of various different segments. So if
you want to get back into it, Prodigy is well
worth the time. Unfortunately, hard to tell to catch, like
right now, unless you go get a physical copy of
(08:22):
season one, you can't mind it available. You can't find
it because it was taken off Netflix already. Season two
will be taken off, I believe at the end of
this year. So it's one of those physical media things.
If you don't have it, you're not seeing it right now,
which is a shame because it's the best trek in
a long time.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Well that's paramounts fault and I really irritated about it.
And this is kind of something that I've been saying
just about like protect, preserve feed and physical media. Use
physical media because the way that shit works now, how
everything has been digitized.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
It's also a form of control. Is also a formed
of really almost controlling.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
The truth too, because if you have everything digital and
you could just erase things on moss and then say,
well it doesn't exist or that never happened, you don't
have any proof, right and no one has.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Nothing to tap back into.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
It's always been something I've been pretty wary about, even
though I'm a tech person. At the same time, I've
always been like, there still has to be a path
to Foo ownership.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So which is why I'm like physicals is important.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Well, you know, and let me stick on the Prodigy
a little bit, but like, can you explain to me,
like what not necessarily what it necessarily is talking about
but like, is it fun?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Is it is it serious?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Like?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Watch that care It's.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Because it's Trek, and Trek is all those It's going
to have fun, silly, ridiculous, crazy things. But then that's
also it's going to get at some heart. It's going
to get at some when I tell you Prodigy is
knocking it out. The fucking part that is the surprise
because because you're like what again, You're like, oh, this
is the kids show. It was made for Nickelodeon, it's
(09:59):
the cartoon, ain't no na. They are hitting you with
Trek tropes like they're hitting on the commentaries of you know,
youth agism, they're hitting on the commentary of outsiders versus insiders.
They're hitting on you know cause essentially, it's following the
story of four kids who don't know what the Federation
is never so you're learning about it through their perspective,
(10:19):
and then you kind of get caught up in this
story with some legacy characters and multiverse, like it's it's all.
It's multiverse, it's time travel, it's all. It's everything that
makes Trek trek, so it's not just one thing. And
that's the best thing about Trek is because it's not
just one thing. It's a bunch of different things, and
Prodigy carries it all. It's beautifully animated. You know, chip
(10:42):
porn is a big thing. With Star Trek. You got
to have beautiful ships to look at. They fly, It's
it's a you know, and even with the being animated,
it's got some beautiful ships, some great battles, some great scenarios.
It's it is no lie top tier Trek and so
one what you put it, like, how do I get
back into this? That is the show? If I was
like and like even if you've never heard the track,
(11:04):
because one of the questions is, okay, all these series,
how do you tell somebody who's maybe never gotten into
it where to start.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I'm not gonna start here.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
You could start a Prodigy, okay.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
And let me ask you a different question.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
How does the stack up against Star Wars animal shows
like Clone Wars.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I think I've seen con Wars Wars. Corn Wars was good.
I would probably love Clone Wars more if I was
a real Star Wars fan. I enjoyed Clone Wars. Okay,
Star Trek Prodigy is just on to me as a
Star Trek fan On a whole another level. But if
you were looking at all things equal, it's probably on
(11:42):
the same level. You know, if you look, you know
it's taking some of the fandom out of it. They're
probably both on the same level, just high quality in
what they're doing. Like you want good storytelling, Yeah, it's
right there.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Well, you know, the other part about this is that, again,
why I've been giving Wars Star Wars so much more
energy is because that they're dealing and and there're some
not all of them, but a lot of them are
dealing directly with issues that matter to me, particularly as
a black woman, particularly as a black person in America.
Stuff like that, like again mentioning and or and or
(12:17):
it's just a beautiful, well written story.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
It's it.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
It has so much in terms of the cinematography, it
has so much in terms of the message, and so
much in terms of revolution. And not to say that
Trek had never talked about that, but like, I just
don't recall the time recently when that has been the case,
and I could be wrong. So I'm just trying to
figure out, like, as a black person, a person of color, whatever,
why should I care about where Trek is now? I mean,
(12:44):
that is brave New Worlds, and that's and that's pipe
and that's a white man. I don't care about the
white man.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Is a hard question to ask right now. I'm not
mad at you, Like it's this new era of Trek
isn't quite right. I'm gonna just it isn't quite right.
It is not hitting on this same level that it
used to be with some of the way it spoke
to societal issues, like right now, the way the TV
market is set up, like Star Trek is the biggest,
(13:13):
is the biggest franchise period in TV history. That's a
long discussion. There are several points in terms of you know,
there's a lot of things with TV that we consume
now that we do because of Star Trek. You think Cliffhangers.
We love Cliffhangers because of two shows, Dallas and Star Trek.
You know, technology and stuff. It's Star Trek. The way
they were speaking to societal issues in the nineties and
(13:33):
even in the sixties, it's Star Trek, you know, and
all these different shapes and forms. So you really have
to go back for some of that stuff you're looking for.
And I think that's what a lot of us are
looking in the franchise going forward is to get back
to like it's one of the peak things is Yes,
Star Trek is a societal commentary. That's what it does.
That's what pissed people off. That's why Southern States wouldn't
(13:54):
air the Kirknew who are kissed from back of the
day because you're not going to have this white man
kissing this negro. You know, it's there, the history is there,
and Trek has stood loudly, and I think right now
a lot of us is kind of like, yeah, what
are what are you doing? Discovery track B Yeah, and
they're not. And part a big part of that is yeah,
ten episode season, so it's all story story, story versus
(14:18):
you know, what we used to back in the day
was cable airing was yeah, you had twenty six episodes,
so you could take two or three here that didn't
have to do with some big overarching thing and get
into some real, deep in the neat stuff, whether it
be you know, issues with sexuality or gender or you know,
race politics or environmentalism or you name it. Star Trek
has addressed it. But just right now, the way the
(14:41):
TV scene now streaming is set up, you can't do
that and that's one of the biggest problems as you
know what discovery is. You didn't have that space to
breathe and grow and to really get into some character
niches and really understand some of these folks because you
only got so much limited time, right with these shows?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Do you think though it was just because is they
don't have enough time? Or should they need to adapt
and get better writers or better people involved because and
only had twelve episodes and did some a masterclass, right,
like looking at seasons like The Bear there's only eight
episodes and like set the tone at the time for
what that type of TV could be, like how much
(15:19):
you can express in characters in a short period of time.
So it's not like it hasn't been done in a
shorter format. So what's Trek's problem? Why can't that go?
That's why I'm like, is it just the people who
are involved in the creation of these episodes?
Speaker 2 (15:33):
How do we What are your thoughts on.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
That the blueprint is there in Deep Space nine, start Trek.
Deep Space nine single handily to me, is the best
entry of in the franchise because it was doing serialization
when nobody was doing serialization like me, I do the
reason one of the reason why I hear I host
the podcast where we review Star Trek and you know,
(15:56):
me and my co host, my good friend Eric Berry,
we're talking. You know. One of the things that D
Space nine ended on was this epic nine episode arc
and we're like, this nine episode arc in this one
season to close out the series was essentially one season
in today's TV landscape, and so D Space nine, you know,
a lot of people are like, oh, it's too serialized.
It was different than all yours, but it does. It
(16:18):
was no longer anybody else. It's no longer anybody else
doesn seasons, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
No, it was a lot going down.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
They did the arcs, and it's a lot going on.
But it's one of the reasons why that show has
kind of gotten a new life now because folks were
able to consume more of it at one time and
see how these things connect. And so, yeah, it may
not be we need a twenty six season episode. Yeah,
maybe you do need twelve, or you know, maybe for
one story, do you need eight. I think it's one
of those things you need some people in the room
to play with this thing. It doesn't have to be
(16:47):
one formula I'm with you on that. It doesn't have
to be either or, but I think there's somewhere in
the middle to be able to do this thing. And
again taking it back to Prodigy, that's one of the
best things about Prodigy is you have these condensed seasons.
This Prodigy is essentially twenty episodes in a season, but
they're only thirty minutes. And so what they're doing twenty episodes? Yeah,
(17:08):
but you know, you think about the math, it's ten
ten hour episodes, ye yea yea in a sense. But
what they do with that space, it's incredible. The stuff
they packed in. You're like, wait, why are they able
to pack all this in and this short amount of time?
And then yeah, you have a show like Picard or
Discovery or Strange New Worlds, and we're sitting here scratching
(17:29):
our heads like what's what's the disconnect? And so I
can really I think it comes down to you, as
you mentioned, who was in the room, who was putting
these things together, and who has these ideas. And I
think it takes some flushing out and some faith to
try something new because that's when things start checking. It
always pushed the boundary. It hasn't always been about looking
behind or sitting in this stalager. We're stuck in this
nostalgia period. It's like, come on, we have to move
(17:50):
forward to some point. And so yeah again Prodigy, you
want that feel of kind of bounce back and forth again.
That that is the blueprint for Trek to move forward.
That is what you need to tell a good story,
I think in this day and age and still be
Star Trek. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And you know, like I said, my level of caring
about the franchise has diminished significantly, But what happened is
my respect.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
So it pisses me off.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Like to be honest, like when you were mentioning in
your email, you were like, Yo, why don't y'all talk
about it? I was like, I'm going to show him.
Why am I talking about it? Because what I did
was I want on Google, not Google, I wan on YouTube,
and I was just like, let me just let me
just see where is the state in terms of publicity
or you know, promotion or popularity. The three piece pasically
(18:37):
promotion popularity of Trek as a franchise.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
And it is sad.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
It is sad in these streets like I want on YouTube,
they even just the views, the views is sad and
I'm just like not and it's not really becoming of
what once was. And I understand, like, you know, it's
we're writing on that nostalgia factor, but I'm like, all
those people are so much older now and don't and
aren't some of them not.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Even around no more? How do you tap.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Into We got the millennials and gen z now, Like,
where's the focus on us? And where's the focus on
as mentioned bringing a different voice, bringing in different fresh
eyes to it, and.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Stop relying so much on the nostalgia. Like, yes, Star
Wars has.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
The elements of that, but like they have moved on
considerably from just pure nostalgia.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Here's the difference between Star Trek and Star Wars and
this thing. I'll take it there is. Star Wars for
the longest time think of it didn't have nowhere near
as much content as trick like Star Wars, norly just
now in the in the last real the last decade,
but easily since you know, some of the stuff in
the early two thousands has only just now kind of
entered the same realm on the TV side as Treks. Yeah,
(19:51):
WS has mostly been a film franchise. I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
And let me say sorry one more thing, and let
me say this is not to say that what I
just mentioned obviously Wars still has a lot of nostalgia
factors there.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
That they don't solely build stories upon that. They try
to build other stories that may have happened around, like
as in the case of Rogue One, where it's just like, yes,
this is about the story of the Death Star and
that and the plans and all that stuff, but it's
like it's giving you something new about how the plans
got delivered to the rebels in the first place, you know,
shit like that.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
So but continue, so I might get in trouble for this.
Star Wars is a simpler show. And I'm not trying
to make this Star Wars for a Star Trek right now. No,
but Star Wars is a simpler show. Let's just be honest.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
And Wow, you're gonna get yelled at for that.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
I'm gonna get yelled at. But it's okay. Star Trek
is a very heady show. It is very you know,
it's very heady. It is very much so all about
the characters and what are we saying, what are we
trying to address and in this day and age where
that's it's coming for folks, like people don't want to
be preached to. Sometimes people don't want to be lectured
to if I don't agree with this message or as
(21:01):
we see the whole progressive woke all this like that's
star Trek gets thrown in with that because they tried
to push things forward. We saw what happened with Discovery
and the way they tried to bring in some trans
characters and you know, or people who didn't just stuck.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Even though these characters have been existing for thirty forty years.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
This is crazy, just like.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
How they're doing with Superman now all Superman, is it
something I'm like, the nigga came up from to a
Jewish man. What are you talking about? It's always been
about this.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
He fought the.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Nazis first, he was fighting kick Like a lot of.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
This, a lot of the what you mentioned.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
The the wild feedback is just from I don't want
to just say uninformed people, but people who just don't
want to see the truth that's right in front of them.
It's like, this isn't revision, it's history that's happening with
either wars or tracks.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So what are y'all talking about.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Well, how dare you present something to me that doesn't
agree with my own viewpoints? And that thinks that's kind
of you know, as we talked to this whole society
being echo chambers and things, it's easy to see how
it showed like Star Trek kind of gets disregarded because yeah,
it was very much so, Yeah, this isn't right. We
should care about the earth, We should care about other people.
Your race shouldn't matter, your creed shouldn't matter who you
(22:08):
like if you believe something else, we should all be
able to get along. And you know, it's not about money,
it's not about commercialism. We're literally just out here for
the betterment of ourselves and seeing what's out there. It's
not a popular message in this day and age, and
that's one of the biggest struggles is how do we
get that message in something that people are going to
enjoy or want too quick on a streaming service in
(22:28):
this hot topic environment, and that's it's a hard thing
to do.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
How do we get the publishers and these production houses
to stop being bitches and go to like, let these
stories come to fruition, Like we saw what happened with
and I'm gonna use Star Wars as another example. We
saw what happened with What's My Girl Root from the
Hunger Games. Oh my god, I just lose.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It, Acolyte.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yes, you can varying, like when we reviewed it, and
you know, we liked most of it. There was parts
that we had notes on. Fine, whatever, but at the
end of the day, we saw the potential, right, and
that was another true story where it didn't rely solely
on nostalgia.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
It try to bring something new across the board.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
But it had a black female le character and out
the gate before any episode dropped, it was immediate, I
have a problem.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
With this, and you just iron Heart.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
We saw that with iron Heart, right, and you continue
to see that with iron Heart.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I have a comment on the iron and I purposely
did it because I'm a troll. I have a comment
on Marvel's Tit not TikTok on their ig from one
of the Ironheart things where I said, iron Heart is fantastic.
Hater's gonna hate. And to this day, and this was
weeks ago, to this day, I get the bots and
I'm just like, I can deal with it, right, these.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Production folks and all that stuff they seem like they
can't deal with.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
It, the the paramounts and the Disney's in this and that.
It's like why, it just seems like they're scared. And
I feel like that's the same thing kind of happening
with Trek, like they're scared to just deviate, Like I
don't who are they, as I mentioned, who exactly are
they catering to right now with these Shrek stories besides
(24:16):
the good ones that you mentioned that are out right now.
But the problem is they don't even promote those and
you just mentioned you mentioned before that you can't even
see the first damn season of Prodigy unless you found
a physical copy, which where the fuck am I playing
it on?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
They don't know. And outside of Star Trek and Star
Wars in the bigger media things, now you're really tap
into the stuff I like, as you know, communications person
and all that kind of jazz. It's just a vibe,
like literally Millennials and gen Z, there is a day
vibe vibe. Gen Z consumes culture differently. I'm not trying
to paint everybody no light or anything like that, but
like the scene has shifted. People are consuming things differently
(24:54):
and say what you want about Trek. Trek has told
the same stories over and over and over again on
all they do was just kind of shift the technology forward.
And I think this weird space where right now, yeah,
the technology is low key matching some of that, and
so we're like, Okay, what does the future look like.
I think that's also half the problem. Right now we
don't we don't know. We're not feeling too believable about
(25:17):
it anymore. You know, it's you know, it's it's feeling
real bleak around here. But again, that's low key what
inspired Star Trek in the first place. You know, you're
talking sixties, that's Cold War, that's you know, the you know,
the Russian Wall in Berlin and all these types of things.
It's the same kind of scenario. So you kind of
need that thing to come together to be like, look,
(25:39):
may be a little tense right now, but there's still
hope for the future and there's still a betterment. And
but I think we believed all that in the nineties
as kids who were raised in the nineties, yet we
got dead all that a lot there is hope we
were the future, the children are the future. Recycle this
Earth Day, all that kind of stuff. And we've kind
of been on a decline since, and I think that
(25:59):
that's hard to turn that around because it's just like, well,
if things look real shitty right now, can it really
be all that good? And we see that with a
lot of content, it goes dark because I think that's
how we feel and trying to find that light. Yeah,
it's it's a hard thing to do. But again, I
think that's what Prodigy does well and knocks it out
the park. But you need somebody to come in and
(26:19):
be like, look, it's we're gonna be all right, here's
what the future can look like if we want to
strive toward towards it, or this is what we you know,
this is the picture we're gonna paint. Nobody is painting
that picture. It's going to be interesting what they do
with Academy because Academy is really going to be the
first future. So essentially Starfleet Academy, it's it's they've shot
(26:40):
one season already, Season two is already they're shooting that
right now. That's gonna be the next series that that
will come next year, and essentially it's going to be
a bunch of cadets at Starfleet Academy set in the future,
right post post discovery, So this is you know, we're
it's brand new territory. We're not in the past. We're
not dealing with anything. There's gonna be some legacy characters
in it, but we're going to be far in the future.
(27:01):
So it's going to be interesting to see with this show. Okay, cool,
you're dealing with younger the youth, younger people. What what
are we painting a picture in Because in this future,
the Federation isn't what it used to be. It's kind
of being built back up, it's rediscovering itself. So it
be interesting to see if they use this as a
true Okay, this is what Star Trek can be like
(27:22):
going forward, so that I'm not completely closing the door yet.
There is some hope we'll see I like this.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I mean, and again all all respect, no disrespect. It's
is executive produced by Alice Kurtzman, and that he has
been the mind behind this for the.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Last we're kind of in right now, that's what they
call it, right.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
The era, and is it gonna be the same thing?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Like I don't know who the writers are, who who's
involved in the writing of this, but like, are they
bringing like are the people like even the casts themselves,
are there people of color in there? Are there non
binding or people like? Like, where are they going with it?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Do you know?
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I mean it's been a while. There's there's definitely a
sister on the show, one of the cadetual black women.
The cast looks good from what I remember. We ain't
seen no footage back that. We ain't no teasers, no,
nothing like that. We don't know much. We just know
the people involved. The cast is solid. But yeah, the
question is what stories are you going to tell? And
(28:19):
Star Trek stories need to be about the people, need
to be about saying something so hopefully, especially in this climate,
if you're not saying nothing in this climate. Yeah, taking
care of that for a minute and come back in
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
And you know, you made a good point when you
mentioned the tech and as mentioned when I was a kid,
the reason why I was so drawn to it because
I was a techie and and I was always drawn
to that versus worth because I saw like the scientific
applications of everything happening Trek and as you just mentioned
very rightfully, so a lot of that stuff is actually
(28:51):
real life now We're just like, all right, what's next?
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Where is the innovation?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Like did they decide we're just never going to bring
new technology ever again? And maybe I've missed it because
I haven't been watching. Have they introduced anything new? I
mean it's always been the tractor beam has always been
the hologram. Room has always been to transport and all right,
and like like even like the way it used to
(29:17):
be is just like in one room alone, like depending
on someone's job function. They had a variety of things
where it's like, oh shit, that was we had that
in real life, that would be wow, right like and
now we got it. And I think the only thing
that's like, for example, the doctor. You go to the
doctor's office there, the doctor's office like we're in school.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
But if you go to the.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Doctor's office there they have like the little machine. I
don't want to call it a needle, but hypospray that's
what it is. We got that yet, but like that
was some new shit. It was like, wow, they did
that ship without the needles?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Great? Where's that?
Speaker 3 (29:52):
It's scary right now because you said a lot of
that stuff is here now because literally we were inspired
by a trek and people are like, oh, that's cool. Great,
this phones like c phones, your iPad, your tablets, hell yea,
everything with AI and Star Trek has said a lot
about AI. That's that's scary. It's one of the things
that I think Disco failed at because Disco got to
(30:15):
jump to the future, sorry spoilers, got to jump to
the future, and they introduced some things that was kind
of like, eh m hm again what we need somebody
to come in and really be imaginative. And I think
the problem is we've seed. We don't know what does
that look like? Like, I don't know if I could
paint some like crazy stuff right now, because it's kind
(30:36):
of like, yeah, what I.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Mean, what would you want to see right now? That's
technic tech related that we don't got. I mean besides
saying stuff like like you said, they already have the transporter, right,
they say, get from one place another in the blink
of an eye, Okay, whatever?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
What is something flying? The stuff of shuttles?
Speaker 3 (30:52):
And they painted themselves in a corner in Discovery literally
are something they're calling programmable matter and literally with this thing,
you can create anything wherever you are at any and
so it's like when you're at that point where literally
I can literally create anything I want at any moment,
and it's kind of like, oh, you've hit a ceiling
and it's one of the things that the star truck
(31:13):
has done wrong. It's painted itself into some corners in
this person era it hasn't needed to, and god, you're
hitting the ceilings. Oh yeah, okay, So literally I can
create anything in my hand at any point. Yeah, well
what else? What else is there? You know?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:30):
So I.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
But I like the fact that you mentioned Starfleet Academy
because I didn't even realize this was something coming up
again because I have not been paying attention. But it
is coming up as like a drama. So I'm like,
drama in what way? Like are they going to be
tapping into some Love Island type shit or like, what
do they mean?
Speaker 3 (31:49):
You just hope it's not a c W teen show.
That's that's what a lot of us are just hoping.
We just don't want to see W teen show again.
I have hope in one hand, but on the other hand,
being a realist, I'm like, I'm waiting for the disappointment.
Like it's I'm waiting, you know, And that's sad to say.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
But again, they can be good about trying to get.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Again again, but doing to get back in is prodigy.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
And lower decks and lower decks.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Okay, those will not disappoint you. I'm a realist, Like
I love Trick, but I'm also on these ones. I'm
not going to shell out for it just because I
love it. No, because hit the mark. I need you
to hit the mark. You're better, You've done better, be better,
Like I'm not here to accept just mediocre scraps for
the sake of calling it Star Trek and being able
to be like, oh, yep, this new Star Trek to watch. No,
that's not the world I want to live in, because
(32:40):
best leave. I'd rather go watch the old stuff and
enjoy good quality. If you're gonna keep going forward, make
it worthwhile. This franchise is turning sixty next year. Sixty
there is There's no franchise been around that long consistently.
Because even even if it's breaks, sixty's biggest break, Star
(33:02):
Trek's biggest break I think was five years from from
when they started the motion picture in seventy nine. You
had a twenty five year essentially straight stream of content
between movies and TVs. Up until about two thousand and four,
two thousand and five, then you get the movie in
O nine thirteen sixteen, and then now we're in the
(33:23):
streaming era from sixteen on. So once this current edition ends,
we'll be in Star Trek doesn't go through dry spells
like that, Like, it's been pretty consistent.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
And dry dry right now, and so it's one of
those things like Okay, yeah, do we need to take
that reset, do we need to like yes, get into
the room, figure some wild stuff out.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
But again, it's it's it's this climate is it's right
and also wrong for it all at the same time.
It's a weird storm.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Make how do we I don't know if you have
any ideas, but how do we make it cool? Like
not to say that it was cool during a jj
Abrams era, but like at least it was mainstream. I
feel like this is not even mainstream no more like
it's not having blockbuster films, it's not having must CTV opportunities.
It's just like, if you're a fan cool, you know
(34:13):
about it, and if you not, we're not even gonna
try you.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
If you want to make it cool again, swing for
the fences and fight for me. If it's me, I'm
calling up Ryan Cooper. Hey, what kind of story would
you like to tell in a Star Trek set? Because
that's the beauty about it is Star Trek can literally
be anything. It's literally just you take it's sci fi,
so take it, put it in the future, play with it.
It could be anything, as long as you're speaking about
(34:39):
the people. So yeah, what what kind of scenario would
you like? What do you want to comment on? And
so yeah, I'm going for young producer, young filmmakers, young producers,
young writers, because yes, it's we need to let go
with some of that nostalgia and be like, okay, yeah,
what what are what are the issues of today? And
strangely enough that the same things that's back in the
day to a big extent, what's the new viewplating on it?
(35:00):
You know, we're not where we were fifty sixty years ago? Okay, cool?
What does this race issue look like now? You know?
How do these things pop back up? How do we
touch it again? And that's one of the best things
Star Trek has done. It's telling the same stories over
and over again, just different allegories, different things, And I
think that's where you get creative is bringing in that
new blood. Somebody's going to be like, yeah, let's let's
(35:21):
swing for the fences here. That's how we did it before. Cool.
Now it's time for something else. It's time to switch
it up. And so that's what I'd love to see
is Hell, get get a Quinta. You know, you want
to do some comedy or something, Get Quinta up here
to produce something. You know, get get get you know,
get get a get a trans director or you know,
a trans writer, and like get get people with different viewpoints.
Let them fight it out if they need to, but yeah,
(35:43):
figure something out. Because I think the best part is
Star Trek doesn't have to make a point where it's like, yes,
this is the right way. Some of the times it
just asked the question and it lets you figure it out.
And that's what we need to show that's going to
be willing to ask the questions in ways that'll be
like okay, hmm and make you sit with it for
a minute.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
I mean, I feel like it's not because a lack
of money, because it's still here and I feel like
if two people were watching it, it would still be
running like it's a CSI show, you know, I've always
felt like that, like it's one of the things that's
just always on TV because it's always going to be
on TV.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
But that's not enough for me.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
And I like what your ideas, like what you're saying
about that, especially like when you mentioned Ryan cool I
was like, oh, Ryan Cooler's take on this.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
This ship would be sick, that it would go crazy.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Some afrofuturism in there or something, or you know, you
start playing, you know, because I think the beauty is
literally you can create whatever you need. You just need somebody.
It's gonna be like, Okay, yeah, we in the future
in some years this is the technology and yeah, b
in space that's all. That's all it is. That's all
it is.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Well, I will say that you've been somewhat successful at
making me think, oh, maybe I am missing a little
bit of something, So I will. I don't know if
I'm gonna be able to get to producty because you
made it like it was a diamond in a rough somewhere,
but I will I know that it's super available, right.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Like, oh, everything, And again you mentioned paramount plus is
the problem and or paramount.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Is a para is the problem?
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Everything is on the service.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Somebody else. Just let someone else whole check. But then
again I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yeah, yeah, but no it get if you could hit
that Amazon Prime real quick, find you a season one
DVD for Prodigy and then make sure you can't. Season
two is still on Netflix till the end of the years.
You can, and it's a quick it's a good bingeable watch.
They said they're thirty minutes enjoyable. That's that's the way
to go to give you a taste of of what's
really good. Then the other stuff you can check out for,
(37:40):
just like season three off a card, Oh Chef's Kiss.
If you are a fan of Old Trek and know
like that is that issaug A lot a lot of
people were asking for which is great. I don't need
all of that, you know, switch it.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Up a little bit, No, not, I agree with you
for car was pretty good.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Okay, I think you're successful. I will give it a
shot and I might comments on it during the main show. Okay,
So okay, because again I appreciate that you challenge us
and said what happened?
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Why y'all don't care? Why y'all not giving it the
same amount of love.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
But but thank you. You mentioned before you have a podcast.
Can you tell us more about that?
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Sure, it's taught us Star Trek from sixty thousand Light Years.
You can find it on all social platforms at st
the word from six zero l K y S what
It's me and my friend Eric Barry better known as
Treky before seven. As we kind of have been ranching
up to this sixtieth anniversary next year, we've just been
going through each series just kind of looking at it,
(38:44):
so taking, you know, what is what was this series doing,
What were they talking about? Did we like, what we like?
What we not like? And kind of taking that that
that high you know, far away view sixty thousand light years.
We're not getting to the nitty gritty. We're not doing
episode by episode and now it's just kind of the
big picture for all these shows. And so we're getting
ready to start Discovery and I've been putting that off
because that's just gonna be a lot of issues. But
(39:05):
we're gonna get into it because we talked about Axe.
I love Star Trek, but I'm gonna criticize where it's due.
So check that out. And it's it's a fun it's
a fun time. If you ever, you've never been a
Star Trek fan, you just want to get a little taste.
Check it out. We give you why it's important, what
it means to us as fans or as people who
love it, and our connection to it. So yeah, definitely
check us out.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
And yeah yeah, and where can people find you they
want to argue with you?
Speaker 3 (39:29):
J Clark seven eighty seven. All platforms, please, I welcome
the smoke. Bring bring you know I I one. I
have your opinion, like for example, your iron Heart reviews.
That's the type of shit I love. Like to be
able to be like, nah, I love this, I hated this,
not they failed here, And because there's the beauty of
(39:49):
between all the episodes and to see the dynamics change
and actually having that conversation, that's the type of smoke
I love. If you told me you hated Trek and
couldn't stand its guts and connect, I should be like,
this is why I'm.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Not gonna hate you.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
That's that's fair perspective, you know it is. But can
we at least talk about it from not some not
just hate Treck I hate you. No, No, let's let's
talk about it and have this discussion. So yeah, bring
the smoke. That's one of the things we do on
the show. It's, you know, because doing He's a white guy,
so and he's one of the reason why I asked him.
It is like we're coming from different perspectives. You're doing
it from this mainstream thing, but you're not going to
look at some same ways I will. I'm looking for
(40:24):
some of those cultural connections. I'm looking for those times
when it says something a little different or a little deeper.
But then it's also nice to hear him if he
does catch it, or he has that respect for it,
or he's bringing perspectives I've never heard. And that's really
what we do on the show and one of the
things I just enjoy in general. So you want to
have no conversations with me and I talk about it all.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Bring the smoke, Okay, I love it. I love it, Jason.
Thank you so much for being on.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Thank you for taking a time to talk to me
about this, for not backing down and say no, you
gotta listen to this, so you gotta watch it rather
so I appreciate that, and thank you out everybody for listening.
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