September 18, 2025 • 22 mins
We had to drop this emergency episode after we heard the news last night. If you didn't know, Jimmy Kimmel was let go from his position as the host of the Jimmy Kimmel Live! after he made comments that his corporate overlords deemed to be malicious in regards to the recent shooting of a certain hate monger. We discuss what is happening in America, and what you can do to help prepare yourself for whatever comes next.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Oh man, this is a crazy time out in the
good old US Survey today, folks, and we really need
to talk about something. This is something that in general,
you know, you hear us talk about politics and the like.
Throughout our years of doing this show. We've never shied
away from those things. We've always distressed everything that's going on,
(00:37):
usually as it relates to geek and pop culture, of course,
and I guess this is once again relating to pop
and you know, geek culture too. I think, you know,
my man, Jimmy is definitely, you know, a geek of
some sort. I'm not sure. I mean it's well established, yeah,
part of the fandom, and now he's part of the unemployed.
He's out of line, but he's right. And we are
(01:00):
talking about the one and only Jimmy Kimmel who was unceremoniously.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
What was the word they usedly suspended.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
And definitely suspended from What's Jimmy Kimmel was the Tonight Show.
I'm not sure. I don't even pay attention anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
With Jimmy Kimmel Live jim which is a variation, you know,
multiverse version of the Tonight Show. All of these late
night hosts are all like mutations of the same show.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It's either the Tonight Show or David Letterman pretty much
like those are two you know, archetypes of talk of
late night talk shows for the most part, and of
course a great ar Senior Hall. But nobody's doing our
senior unfortunately. And there's the reason why. Man, that's all
it is. You saw a flavored slave, you know, me
and him's homies. Is that why you brought him out
(01:50):
just to show you have a black supporter, And no,
I brought him out because he's a friend of They
don't like that man. That don't bother me. I'm not
like by a lot of people. A lot of times
I say what I want to say to this American right.
But yeah, nobody's doing Jimmy Kimmel anymore either because Jimmy
(02:11):
Kimmel was let go or suspended indefinitely, whatever you want
to call it, because he decided to make some comments about.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
And to be quite clear, he didn't make comments about
that man. He made comments about the alleged shooter of
that man.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
His actual quote was the Maga gang desperately trying to
characterize this kid who unlived look as nothing other than
one of them and doing everything they can escore political
points from it, and between the finger pointing, there was grieving.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
That's what he said.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
He didn't say. He didn't disparage anybody's death. He didn't
say something he deserved it, none of that stuff. It was.
It was literally just pointing out the hypocrisy.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
And the result was.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
That this whole fascist regime calling for his oulster and
then the broadcasters, starting with next Star Media Group and
moving on up to ABC, decided to do this quote
indefinite suspension. ABC said that it's going to be pre
emptied indefinitely, which basically means they're holding it in limbo
(03:30):
like it doesn't exist. Worse, you had the FCC chairman themselves,
which who was on a podcast of all places, calling
Kimmel's comments quote truly sick and saying that there is
a strong case for action against ABC and Disney. So
because you have a fascist regime and the people who
(03:52):
are controlling the FCC that have control over the airwaves
feeling away about the truth being shared. Now you have
the broadcasters ABC, Disney and all these other people caving
into these demands that it's always already been a bridge
beyond what we've been seeing, but like it already happened
(04:15):
with Colbert with CBS, but like for this to happen again,
and it's just like dominoes. These these people, it's just like.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
And Colbert at least they could claim those for other reasons.
They're not even hiding what it was for it to start.
I shouldn't be surprised, but.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
The way in which these people, these companies, these organizations
folded like lawn chairs, immediate folding. And my thing is,
what if they did just leave shi all on what's
the worst that can happen. FCC's gonna find ABC. Y'all
(04:53):
have infinite money, find a way. And I understand that
it takes a level. Someone will come to me and
be like, well, no, you got to understand economics of
fuck that there has to be a level of courage
and a level of heart and a level of morality
that supersedes all of this bullshit. And it's not fucking there.
(05:17):
And you shouldn't expect that from a corporation anyway. I
get it, but it's there's nobody with backbones, absolutely nobody.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And that was even one of the themes. Like as
much as I loved and or I felt like that
was one probably my biggest issue with the show itself
was that I felt like it was showing people revolutions
so they could sit there and just sit in their
armchairs and not think about it, and then also showing
them a revolution on another galaxy so they might not
(05:48):
get it, you know. Like I know, it felt pretty
obvious to us what and Or was about, or something
like Superman is about. But there are people who can
see these things and still not get it, or not
care about it, or not related to the real world.
And so because of that, I really, like you said,
I don't expect any of these corporations to have any
(06:09):
heart or any courage or any of that thing. And
even when and Or came out, my brother Melo Brown
said that this is the last time will ever see
anything like this from Star Wars or probably any media,
the at least of America.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
The coldest part about all of this is you steady folding.
But it's not going to change, and it's just going
to drive to want more.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, I mean, historically we've seen this before.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
The FCC chairman also said, speaking of ABC, they have
a license granted by us at the FCC that comes
with an obligation to operate in public interest, public interest
in this case meaning fascist interest. And he says that
back in March they said that they were launching an
investigation on Disney ABC regarding DEI. So what makes you
(06:59):
think essentially firing Jimmy Kimmel's gonna stop the pain, It's
just going to keep coming, is just going to get worse.
Once you fall to the bully, it's a rat. You
are the target, You are the will be forever be
the victim. And that's the part where I'm just like, yeah,
(07:20):
you're saying, you know, you have no morals, you have
no this, you have no debt. But it's just like,
do you have any self decency? No?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Why would they?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
You're like, And that is the coldest and saddest part
about all that there's not even a self decent even like,
damn y'all not gonna let capitalism winning this money.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
That's where I think it will draw the line, because
capitalism does run this country much more than democracy. And
like even that idea of threatening ABC with taking their
license away, I can't see ABC standing for some shit
like that. You know, like you're not gonna threaten us,
but you know who we are. You know, we're a multinational,
billion dollar corporation. You know, so I can't see them folding.
(08:02):
You know, they own Florida like I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, the concept of everyone runs to this With the
First Amendment, the concept of free speech was there never
really was quote speech in this country.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, I've been.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
There was always depending on who's in power, there was
always marginally accepted speech, and then speech that would particularly
speech from people of color and black people, that would
always be policed.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, I think that was. That's been one of my
biggest problems is and I really hate, you know, people
who lump people into liberals and conservatives, but I really
hate seeing people saying, oh my god, there's no more
free speech. There never was. I always go back to
one of my favorite rappers and actor's Iced Tea, one
(08:52):
of his very early albums. You can google this because
obviously a lot of people have never heard of it
or seen it. It's called freedom of speech. But watch
what you say freedom exactly. And the album cover is
a black man with three with guns in his ears
and a gun in his mouth, because it's freedom of speech.
But watch what you say, right, And.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I know that people from other countries who have been
in dictatorships and all this other stuff will say, well, no,
y'all really did have freedom speech because over where I
was ADVI said something right, you know, their version of
the gstopo will come and pick them up. I get you,
but we're here now, yeah, and we're here now where
that's happening.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And to disavow that point that has always only been
true for white men and white women who associate with them,
because if you step out of line freedom of speech
again is watch what you say. It has always been
that way in America. There's never been a time where
a black man can go out and say type of
(09:53):
things and not get shot. Like, I don't want to
hear that from other people in other countries because if
you truly understand, and that's a problem. That's why I
always you know, talk about when a lot of white
men try and describe, you know, white British men trying
and describe America, and I'm like, you don't really get it,
because until you've been here and been one of us,
you will never understand that. There always ask this question,
(10:15):
how many Native Americans, Indigenous Americans do you know? Do
you know, like anyone watching the personally, how many do
you know full blooded you know, et cetera. And so
you want to talk about freedom of speech, what freedom
of speech do they have? None? Because they're dead? You know.
(10:37):
I really that part just distressed me. When people talk about, oh,
you don't know what you have in America. Now we
know exactly what we have in America. Some people don't
know what we have in America. But we who have
been under this boot of it for as long as
it's know what we have in America. Well a lot
of us do some of us, you know, think they
(10:57):
can lit that boot and get out of it.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
But and and you also have the active attacks on
journalists like literally this week Karen Attia, who was the
only black and she's a black woman. She's the Washington
Post opinion columnist who was one of the founding column
The People, a journalist of that column. The Washington Post
(11:19):
fired her for she She had a piece where she
expressed that there were racial double standards in social media
regarding regarding the action that happened, the unliving that happened.
She used the guy who was unalives quote, she quoted
his words. She didn't once again didn't say someone could
(11:39):
have should have been you know, un alive, didn't say nothing,
Old quoted the guy and was fired. Also, Jeff Bezos
own the Washington Post, and we already know where that goes, right,
And it's just like and then remember if y'all was
listening to the most recent show, I had told y'all
(12:01):
how it just felt so and granted, yes, it's just
different times, different masters. It's felt so weird to watch
the Emmys and see Tim I go home again, Tim Apple,
Tim Apple sitting there amongst the other studio heads. I
was just sitting there like, that's a tech guy. Like,
so like, imagine you sitting in a room where it's
just like like in some ways, like I understand it's
(12:24):
the future in tech, and not to say tech can't
get into this space, but like it's almost getting the US.
There needs to be a separation in church and state
type shit, because you have these people who have unrequited
power over the data, over the devices, over the way
that we communicate, who now also control the entertainment Apple, Amazon,
(12:44):
all these people the stuff that we cover on this
show on a daily basis. These are the people pulling
the strings when it comes to politics. These are people
with pullachers when it comes to what you can or
do not hear on the media. These are people pulling
the strings when it comes to policy how you live
(13:04):
or don't live in this country. And like I said,
I just it is. It is one of the most
and it's always been scary in this country, particularly for
black people. Yeah, but it's it's because I'm personally experienced it.
Of course, it's truly terrifying.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah, I don't think people have ever been able to
comprehend that. If you're not you know of it. It's
some one of those things where I tell people, like,
it's really tough for me to describe being incarcerated until
you've been incarcerated. You'll never understand what a loss of
freedom means until you've lost freedom, you know, I cannot
(13:46):
describe it to you. It's just it's a it's it's
an unnatural feeling. And because of that, that's one of
the reasons why I'm so anti any of what has
been happening, Because I know what it's like to have
my free them taking away from me completely, and so
because of that, I won't stand for any loss of freedom.
You know, in my personal life, at least, and this
(14:11):
country is I don't think it's headed in I mean,
obviously we already know it's not headed into a good place.
But this is one of those things where I just
I'm like, all right, I get it. You know, y'all
got this because it's been eight months. Eight months, and
(14:32):
like I've said before on other episodes, if you cannot
leave this country, then I would fully suggest working on
your community. And I mean that in a hard way.
I mean planting gardens, I mean getting to know your neighbors,
I mean finding help, you know, finding the resources you
need to survive what's coming, because it's only going to
(14:55):
get worse. That's the thing. Like as Tatanna just said,
it's only been eight months, and you know people are
looking at midterms and things of that nature, you know, voting.
I got into an argument with a friend of mine
the other day of the Howard Brad you know, great brother,
but or not an argument, just a distression really, and
we were just both talking about it, and you know,
(15:16):
he thinks that, you know, voting is going to help,
and I told him that I don't think voting has
ever done anything in this country, to be honest, Like
every type of movement that I've ever seen work in
this country wasn't done through voting. And the idea that
Martin Luther King and them died for the right to
vote is one of those lies that were told, you know,
(15:38):
and it really disturbs me because it reduces the movement
of what they and what they went through and what
they died for for the right to vote, which wasn't
the case. They were fighting for the right to be
alive and live free lives. Voting just came along with that.
I mean, that was not like people didn't want to
be lynched in the street. That's what they were fighting for,
(15:59):
you know. It this idea that oh, we just vote,
you know, this will change. No, We're way past that, man,
Like I don't believe that anymore. I never really did
for that matter, I don't mean.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
You know, and you have and you mentioned, you mentioned lynchings.
It's happening again.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I mean, it never stopped.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
It never stopped. But listen, never stopped the way it
is ship is now it's happening again.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
M hmm.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
What happened in mississippis Mississippi Delta, the Delta University Delta.
Uh yeah, Delta University. Yeah, black people don't hang themselves
guys from trees anyway.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
But like like I said, in my lifetime, I can
remember when in Texas they dragged a black man behind
a car from behind the truck to kill him. Like
in my lifetime, you know, I remember that. You know,
so this so it doesn't never stop.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It's just the now climate we're in where it's where
it is essentially open season, and and these this this
element is emboldened to do things like that. First of all,
rest in power to.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Tray read yep. You didn't deserve that.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
You didn't you didn't even have a chance. And I
know this is like, while depressing for people, this is
very scary for people to hear. What's even scarier is
being silenced about talking about all of this things. That's
(17:34):
and Ben and I right before we got on it
was something that I started talking about and I said,
I'm gonna wait until we record because it's just in
my spirit to say, please don't stop talking, Please don't
start fighting, Please keep fighting, keep speaking out, keep standing
up for yourself to the degree that you can, to
(17:57):
the best of your ability, to the best of your
ability to express yourself. You have to keep going.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And like I just say again, look at groups like
but the model. I always follow those groups like Black Panthers,
you know, people who said power to all people. You know,
people who tried to unify black white Latin don't matter everybody,
power to all people. I mean. I'm also a big
fan of Doctor Browner, you know, and his soaps, and
(18:29):
what Doctor Browner says on his soap is all a
one or all none. And that's something that I've always
believed in very strongly. And that's why i'm you know,
when people are like the right people and all, I'm like, no, man,
that's just a you know, it's just a trap. You know,
everyone suffers under toxic whiteness. The only people who benefit
are the ultra rich. That's it. Everyone else suffers, and
(18:53):
the trap is to keep us fighting each other. And
that's why I've always been so against that. I've always
been against anything that divides people on any level. And
that's why I say again and again, build up your community,
you know what I mean, Like, learn to barter and
trade with each other, get away from this capitalist system.
(19:14):
I was talking about that the other day because I
saw someone say this where they said the more healed
they became, the less ambitious they became. And that really
struck a chord with me because I've been doing a
lot of healing this year, and I've become less ambitious
and not in the way where I don't want to
do a lot of things. If you know, Todd down,
I'll tell you I'm over here like constantly doing shit.
(19:36):
But it's just like I don't. My goal isn't to
do things to you know, become king of the world
or you know, have a lot of money. It's just
my goal is to do things because I want to
create and put out good energy into the world, and
I want to be of service to other people. And
I feel like, you know, creating and giving out music
and djaying and doing this podcast and writing, you know,
(20:00):
everything I do in some way is of being service
to people. So it's just like that's what I'm trying
to push people on, is work on your community. Get
to know people. Stop living in this system so much like,
stop spending money for everything you know you don't need,
but little things. Buy us. Buy from your local bookstores,
(20:20):
you know, from your local shops, support locals, build up
your community, because that's all we have right now, man, Like, yeah,
that is really it. And like Tatana said you in
that community talk, you know, get to know people look
away from your damn phones. That's another thing that keep
people in these traps and keeps people divided and keep
(20:42):
people angry, you know what I mean. Like it's so
hard to not look at any social media and not
get immediately angry because because it's one design to make
you angry, but fall into.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
The rabbit holes where you see the tragedy and a
trauma and a terrorization, and then you keep looking for
more because stats, and.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Then you think that that's all there is in the world.
I follow this account where the one guy every day
posts five bits of good news, and because I repost
it every day, I see it every day. And it's
like there's a lot of good things happening in the world,
but you have to find out about them. Like we
were just talking about this before the show too, Like
I feel really bad for the Native Americans and the
indigenous people of this country when people talk about like
(21:25):
I can't leave this country and all that, But recently
indigenous people were granted I'm not even I can't remember
the exact tribe, but they were granted access to their
river again. They tore it down this damn or in
the West, and they were granted, like, you know, thousands
of acres of land back. So good things do happen,
you know, in the midst of this nonsense. You know,
Native Americans, indigenous people got their land back and how
(21:48):
and can live the way they've lived for thousands of
years ago. You know, so themes there are good things.
You just have to look out for them. And you
have to, like I said, you got to stay as
much away from those rabbit holes of oppression, because, yes,
the world's fucked up. Like as going back to the review,
we just dropped of one battle after another, which you know,
(22:11):
I've seen to be one of the few credits who
saw it this way so far. At least, I just
felt was a very cynical fucking piece of movie. And
I don't believe in that type of stuff because the
world is terrible enough, and if you have the power
to make art and all that type of things, why
made something cynical, Especially when it's on such a large scale,
like a Hollywood production where millions of people can see it.
(22:34):
That's just weird to me, you know what. I mean,
that's just negative, nihilistic thinking, and that's you know, we
don't need any more of that
Oh man, this is a crazy time out in the
good old US Survey today, folks, and we really need
to talk about something. This is something that in general,
you know, you hear us talk about politics and the like.
Throughout our years of doing this show. We've never shied
away from those things. We've always distressed everything that's going on,
(00:37):
usually as it relates to geek and pop culture, of course,
and I guess this is once again relating to pop
and you know, geek culture too. I think, you know,
my man, Jimmy is definitely, you know, a geek of
some sort. I'm not sure. I mean it's well established, yeah,
part of the fandom, and now he's part of the unemployed.
He's out of line, but he's right. And we are
(01:00):
talking about the one and only Jimmy Kimmel who was unceremoniously.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
What was the word they usedly suspended.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
And definitely suspended from What's Jimmy Kimmel was the Tonight Show.
I'm not sure. I don't even pay attention anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
With Jimmy Kimmel Live jim which is a variation, you know,
multiverse version of the Tonight Show. All of these late
night hosts are all like mutations of the same show.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It's either the Tonight Show or David Letterman pretty much
like those are two you know, archetypes of talk of
late night talk shows for the most part, and of
course a great ar Senior Hall. But nobody's doing our
senior unfortunately. And there's the reason why. Man, that's all
it is. You saw a flavored slave, you know, me
and him's homies. Is that why you brought him out
(01:50):
just to show you have a black supporter, And no,
I brought him out because he's a friend of They
don't like that man. That don't bother me. I'm not
like by a lot of people. A lot of times
I say what I want to say to this American right.
But yeah, nobody's doing Jimmy Kimmel anymore either because Jimmy
(02:11):
Kimmel was let go or suspended indefinitely, whatever you want
to call it, because he decided to make some comments about.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
And to be quite clear, he didn't make comments about
that man. He made comments about the alleged shooter of
that man.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
His actual quote was the Maga gang desperately trying to
characterize this kid who unlived look as nothing other than
one of them and doing everything they can escore political
points from it, and between the finger pointing, there was grieving.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
That's what he said.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
He didn't say. He didn't disparage anybody's death. He didn't
say something he deserved it, none of that stuff. It was.
It was literally just pointing out the hypocrisy.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
And the result was.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
That this whole fascist regime calling for his oulster and
then the broadcasters, starting with next Star Media Group and
moving on up to ABC, decided to do this quote
indefinite suspension. ABC said that it's going to be pre
emptied indefinitely, which basically means they're holding it in limbo
(03:30):
like it doesn't exist. Worse, you had the FCC chairman themselves,
which who was on a podcast of all places, calling
Kimmel's comments quote truly sick and saying that there is
a strong case for action against ABC and Disney. So
because you have a fascist regime and the people who
(03:52):
are controlling the FCC that have control over the airwaves
feeling away about the truth being shared. Now you have
the broadcasters ABC, Disney and all these other people caving
into these demands that it's always already been a bridge
beyond what we've been seeing, but like it already happened
(04:15):
with Colbert with CBS, but like for this to happen again,
and it's just like dominoes. These these people, it's just like.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
And Colbert at least they could claim those for other reasons.
They're not even hiding what it was for it to start.
I shouldn't be surprised, but.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
The way in which these people, these companies, these organizations
folded like lawn chairs, immediate folding. And my thing is,
what if they did just leave shi all on what's
the worst that can happen. FCC's gonna find ABC. Y'all
(04:53):
have infinite money, find a way. And I understand that
it takes a level. Someone will come to me and
be like, well, no, you got to understand economics of
fuck that there has to be a level of courage
and a level of heart and a level of morality
that supersedes all of this bullshit. And it's not fucking there.
(05:17):
And you shouldn't expect that from a corporation anyway. I
get it, but it's there's nobody with backbones, absolutely nobody.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And that was even one of the themes. Like as
much as I loved and or I felt like that
was one probably my biggest issue with the show itself
was that I felt like it was showing people revolutions
so they could sit there and just sit in their
armchairs and not think about it, and then also showing
them a revolution on another galaxy so they might not
(05:48):
get it, you know. Like I know, it felt pretty
obvious to us what and Or was about, or something
like Superman is about. But there are people who can
see these things and still not get it, or not
care about it, or not related to the real world.
And so because of that, I really, like you said,
I don't expect any of these corporations to have any
(06:09):
heart or any courage or any of that thing. And
even when and Or came out, my brother Melo Brown
said that this is the last time will ever see
anything like this from Star Wars or probably any media,
the at least of America.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
The coldest part about all of this is you steady folding.
But it's not going to change, and it's just going
to drive to want more.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, I mean, historically we've seen this before.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
The FCC chairman also said, speaking of ABC, they have
a license granted by us at the FCC that comes
with an obligation to operate in public interest, public interest
in this case meaning fascist interest. And he says that
back in March they said that they were launching an
investigation on Disney ABC regarding DEI. So what makes you
(06:59):
think essentially firing Jimmy Kimmel's gonna stop the pain, It's
just going to keep coming, is just going to get worse.
Once you fall to the bully, it's a rat. You
are the target, You are the will be forever be
the victim. And that's the part where I'm just like, yeah,
(07:20):
you're saying, you know, you have no morals, you have
no this, you have no debt. But it's just like,
do you have any self decency? No?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Why would they?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
You're like, And that is the coldest and saddest part
about all that there's not even a self decent even like,
damn y'all not gonna let capitalism winning this money.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
That's where I think it will draw the line, because
capitalism does run this country much more than democracy. And
like even that idea of threatening ABC with taking their
license away, I can't see ABC standing for some shit
like that. You know, like you're not gonna threaten us,
but you know who we are. You know, we're a multinational,
billion dollar corporation. You know, so I can't see them folding.
(08:02):
You know, they own Florida like I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, the concept of everyone runs to this With the
First Amendment, the concept of free speech was there never
really was quote speech in this country.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, I've been.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
There was always depending on who's in power, there was
always marginally accepted speech, and then speech that would particularly
speech from people of color and black people, that would
always be policed.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, I think that was. That's been one of my
biggest problems is and I really hate, you know, people
who lump people into liberals and conservatives, but I really
hate seeing people saying, oh my god, there's no more
free speech. There never was. I always go back to
one of my favorite rappers and actor's Iced Tea, one
(08:52):
of his very early albums. You can google this because
obviously a lot of people have never heard of it
or seen it. It's called freedom of speech. But watch
what you say freedom exactly. And the album cover is
a black man with three with guns in his ears
and a gun in his mouth, because it's freedom of speech.
But watch what you say, right, And.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I know that people from other countries who have been
in dictatorships and all this other stuff will say, well, no,
y'all really did have freedom speech because over where I
was ADVI said something right, you know, their version of
the gstopo will come and pick them up. I get you,
but we're here now, yeah, and we're here now where
that's happening.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And to disavow that point that has always only been
true for white men and white women who associate with them,
because if you step out of line freedom of speech
again is watch what you say. It has always been
that way in America. There's never been a time where
a black man can go out and say type of
(09:53):
things and not get shot. Like, I don't want to
hear that from other people in other countries because if
you truly understand, and that's a problem. That's why I
always you know, talk about when a lot of white
men try and describe, you know, white British men trying
and describe America, and I'm like, you don't really get it,
because until you've been here and been one of us,
you will never understand that. There always ask this question,
(10:15):
how many Native Americans, Indigenous Americans do you know? Do
you know, like anyone watching the personally, how many do
you know full blooded you know, et cetera. And so
you want to talk about freedom of speech, what freedom
of speech do they have? None? Because they're dead? You know.
(10:37):
I really that part just distressed me. When people talk about, oh,
you don't know what you have in America. Now we
know exactly what we have in America. Some people don't
know what we have in America. But we who have
been under this boot of it for as long as
it's know what we have in America. Well a lot
of us do some of us, you know, think they
(10:57):
can lit that boot and get out of it.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
But and and you also have the active attacks on
journalists like literally this week Karen Attia, who was the
only black and she's a black woman. She's the Washington
Post opinion columnist who was one of the founding column
The People, a journalist of that column. The Washington Post
(11:19):
fired her for she She had a piece where she
expressed that there were racial double standards in social media
regarding regarding the action that happened, the unliving that happened.
She used the guy who was unalives quote, she quoted
his words. She didn't once again didn't say someone could
(11:39):
have should have been you know, un alive, didn't say nothing,
Old quoted the guy and was fired. Also, Jeff Bezos
own the Washington Post, and we already know where that goes, right,
And it's just like and then remember if y'all was
listening to the most recent show, I had told y'all
(12:01):
how it just felt so and granted, yes, it's just
different times, different masters. It's felt so weird to watch
the Emmys and see Tim I go home again, Tim Apple,
Tim Apple sitting there amongst the other studio heads. I
was just sitting there like, that's a tech guy. Like,
so like, imagine you sitting in a room where it's
just like like in some ways, like I understand it's
(12:24):
the future in tech, and not to say tech can't
get into this space, but like it's almost getting the US.
There needs to be a separation in church and state
type shit, because you have these people who have unrequited
power over the data, over the devices, over the way
that we communicate, who now also control the entertainment Apple, Amazon,
(12:44):
all these people the stuff that we cover on this
show on a daily basis. These are the people pulling
the strings when it comes to politics. These are people
with pullachers when it comes to what you can or
do not hear on the media. These are people pulling
the strings when it comes to policy how you live
(13:04):
or don't live in this country. And like I said,
I just it is. It is one of the most
and it's always been scary in this country, particularly for
black people. Yeah, but it's it's because I'm personally experienced it.
Of course, it's truly terrifying.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah, I don't think people have ever been able to
comprehend that. If you're not you know of it. It's
some one of those things where I tell people, like,
it's really tough for me to describe being incarcerated until
you've been incarcerated. You'll never understand what a loss of
freedom means until you've lost freedom, you know, I cannot
(13:46):
describe it to you. It's just it's a it's it's
an unnatural feeling. And because of that, that's one of
the reasons why I'm so anti any of what has
been happening, Because I know what it's like to have
my free them taking away from me completely, and so
because of that, I won't stand for any loss of freedom.
You know, in my personal life, at least, and this
(14:11):
country is I don't think it's headed in I mean,
obviously we already know it's not headed into a good place.
But this is one of those things where I just
I'm like, all right, I get it. You know, y'all
got this because it's been eight months. Eight months, and
(14:32):
like I've said before on other episodes, if you cannot
leave this country, then I would fully suggest working on
your community. And I mean that in a hard way.
I mean planting gardens, I mean getting to know your neighbors,
I mean finding help, you know, finding the resources you
need to survive what's coming, because it's only going to
(14:55):
get worse. That's the thing. Like as Tatanna just said,
it's only been eight months, and you know people are
looking at midterms and things of that nature, you know, voting.
I got into an argument with a friend of mine
the other day of the Howard Brad you know, great brother,
but or not an argument, just a distression really, and
we were just both talking about it, and you know,
(15:16):
he thinks that, you know, voting is going to help,
and I told him that I don't think voting has
ever done anything in this country, to be honest, Like
every type of movement that I've ever seen work in
this country wasn't done through voting. And the idea that
Martin Luther King and them died for the right to
vote is one of those lies that were told, you know,
(15:38):
and it really disturbs me because it reduces the movement
of what they and what they went through and what
they died for for the right to vote, which wasn't
the case. They were fighting for the right to be
alive and live free lives. Voting just came along with that.
I mean, that was not like people didn't want to
be lynched in the street. That's what they were fighting for,
(15:59):
you know. It this idea that oh, we just vote,
you know, this will change. No, We're way past that, man,
Like I don't believe that anymore. I never really did
for that matter, I don't mean.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
You know, and you have and you mentioned, you mentioned lynchings.
It's happening again.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I mean, it never stopped.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
It never stopped. But listen, never stopped the way it
is ship is now it's happening again.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
M hmm.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
What happened in mississippis Mississippi Delta, the Delta University Delta.
Uh yeah, Delta University. Yeah, black people don't hang themselves
guys from trees anyway.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
But like like I said, in my lifetime, I can
remember when in Texas they dragged a black man behind
a car from behind the truck to kill him. Like
in my lifetime, you know, I remember that. You know,
so this so it doesn't never stop.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It's just the now climate we're in where it's where
it is essentially open season, and and these this this
element is emboldened to do things like that. First of all,
rest in power to.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Tray read yep. You didn't deserve that.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
You didn't you didn't even have a chance. And I
know this is like, while depressing for people, this is
very scary for people to hear. What's even scarier is
being silenced about talking about all of this things. That's
(17:34):
and Ben and I right before we got on it
was something that I started talking about and I said,
I'm gonna wait until we record because it's just in
my spirit to say, please don't stop talking, Please don't
start fighting, Please keep fighting, keep speaking out, keep standing
up for yourself to the degree that you can, to
(17:57):
the best of your ability, to the best of your
ability to express yourself. You have to keep going.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And like I just say again, look at groups like
but the model. I always follow those groups like Black Panthers,
you know, people who said power to all people. You know,
people who tried to unify black white Latin don't matter everybody,
power to all people. I mean. I'm also a big
fan of Doctor Browner, you know, and his soaps, and
(18:29):
what Doctor Browner says on his soap is all a
one or all none. And that's something that I've always
believed in very strongly. And that's why i'm you know,
when people are like the right people and all, I'm like, no, man,
that's just a you know, it's just a trap. You know,
everyone suffers under toxic whiteness. The only people who benefit
are the ultra rich. That's it. Everyone else suffers, and
(18:53):
the trap is to keep us fighting each other. And
that's why I've always been so against that. I've always
been against anything that divides people on any level. And
that's why I say again and again, build up your community,
you know what I mean, Like, learn to barter and
trade with each other, get away from this capitalist system.
(19:14):
I was talking about that the other day because I
saw someone say this where they said the more healed
they became, the less ambitious they became. And that really
struck a chord with me because I've been doing a
lot of healing this year, and I've become less ambitious
and not in the way where I don't want to
do a lot of things. If you know, Todd down,
I'll tell you I'm over here like constantly doing shit.
(19:36):
But it's just like I don't. My goal isn't to
do things to you know, become king of the world
or you know, have a lot of money. It's just
my goal is to do things because I want to
create and put out good energy into the world, and
I want to be of service to other people. And
I feel like, you know, creating and giving out music
and djaying and doing this podcast and writing, you know,
(20:00):
everything I do in some way is of being service
to people. So it's just like that's what I'm trying
to push people on, is work on your community. Get
to know people. Stop living in this system so much like,
stop spending money for everything you know you don't need,
but little things. Buy us. Buy from your local bookstores,
(20:20):
you know, from your local shops, support locals, build up
your community, because that's all we have right now, man, Like, yeah,
that is really it. And like Tatana said you in
that community talk, you know, get to know people look
away from your damn phones. That's another thing that keep
people in these traps and keeps people divided and keep
(20:42):
people angry, you know what I mean. Like it's so
hard to not look at any social media and not
get immediately angry because because it's one design to make
you angry, but fall into.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
The rabbit holes where you see the tragedy and a
trauma and a terrorization, and then you keep looking for
more because stats, and.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Then you think that that's all there is in the world.
I follow this account where the one guy every day
posts five bits of good news, and because I repost
it every day, I see it every day. And it's
like there's a lot of good things happening in the world,
but you have to find out about them. Like we
were just talking about this before the show too, Like
I feel really bad for the Native Americans and the
indigenous people of this country when people talk about like
(21:25):
I can't leave this country and all that, But recently
indigenous people were granted I'm not even I can't remember
the exact tribe, but they were granted access to their
river again. They tore it down this damn or in
the West, and they were granted, like, you know, thousands
of acres of land back. So good things do happen,
you know, in the midst of this nonsense. You know,
Native Americans, indigenous people got their land back and how
(21:48):
and can live the way they've lived for thousands of
years ago. You know, so themes there are good things.
You just have to look out for them. And you
have to, like I said, you got to stay as
much away from those rabbit holes of oppression, because, yes,
the world's fucked up. Like as going back to the review,
we just dropped of one battle after another, which you know,
(22:11):
I've seen to be one of the few credits who
saw it this way so far. At least, I just
felt was a very cynical fucking piece of movie. And
I don't believe in that type of stuff because the
world is terrible enough, and if you have the power
to make art and all that type of things, why
made something cynical, Especially when it's on such a large scale,
like a Hollywood production where millions of people can see it.
(22:34):
That's just weird to me, you know what. I mean,
that's just negative, nihilistic thinking, and that's you know, we
don't need any more of that
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