September 25, 2025 • 46 mins
We are back this week with Gotham Geek girl to give our full review of One Battle After Another, starring Leonardo DiCaprio, Teyana Taylor, Benecio Del Toro, Regina King, Sean Penn and Chase Infinity. It's been getting rave reviews but is it really worth the watch? We have some notes...
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And again, this is a white man building out a
black woman character. And I don't know if the character
was always meant to be black, but it's it's it
makes me have questions. It does make me have questions
about your intent and whether or not that tent even
match with the impact.
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and it is I.
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Speaker 1 (00:44):
And today I am joined by a very special guest
friend of the show, always number one with the reviews
and always just always out and about doing her thing.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Please introduce yourself.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Hey, y'all, Naddie Martinez here aka Gotham Geek Girl, Old
Things Geek.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
We hear to talk comics and movies, that's.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Right, and today we are doing our review of a
movie called One Battle after Another. Now this may sound
familiar to a few people because you may have recalled
the review that my brother DJ Benhamien gave. He had
some words about it, and I said, well, I got
to get a chance to see it and feel, you know,
(01:24):
see how I feel about that, Nadia, she actually saw
it twice. So you got to really be sure about
how you feel about this film one bout out the
number before we get into the detailing and all the
other stuff. Can you just give me just a short
thing of how you feel about it, Like, just just
something brief that explained to me how you felt about
(01:46):
this film.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I in my initial reaction, I described it as like
chaotically suspenseful, bizarre. It's like a satirical reflection of politics, anxiety,
written cinematically, stunning, explosive, exciting performances, but also disjointed.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Okay, all right, that's I like that summary.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I felt it was a unique film, uh in its
approach to humor, you know, humor and high stakes, I
should say, the outrageous situations. It did have a lot
of visual the lights cast. I thought it was phenomenal,
very strong performances all around. I mean, you're you're pretty
much dealing with a bunch of very seasoned professionals and
(02:29):
you know, some newcomers, but generally, you know, everyone was
really fire. And at the same time, I felt the
film trivialized a lot of things, and I felt the
way I have notes, So would that being said, like
what should we start? Should we started the good? Let's
start at good, Let's start with the good. So characters,
(02:52):
I just mentioned a bunch of characters already, Like tell
me how you felt about each one. So like, for example,
we have Leo DiCaprio who plays Bob, the main character,
one of the main characters.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
So Leo is one of my favorite actors of all time,
Like he's up there with Denzel Daniel da Lewis.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
For me, I love him and most of what he's in.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
And for me, I think this was more of a
fun role because he's pretty much like a pothead.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Running around in a robe like the movie, and like.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I think it was like fun to see him like this,
so like chaotic and like an energetic performance from him,
but not in his usual type of movie that he's in.
So I think it's fun, but it's like not like
Oscar level worthy.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
No, yeah, no, I agree, it was more like he
was just having fun, good time. Maybe there was this
was a mortgage movie for him.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
But it was still Leo.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Right at the end of the day, He's a great
answer and is still entertaining to watch and play the characters.
I agree with you there, you know it in terms
of like if you've seen this side of him a lot,
like it reminded me of and again not not Oscar
inspired performances, but it reminded me of just the manicness
of his Jordan Belfort in The Wolf of Wall Street,
(04:13):
Like it was approaching there, but like, like you said,
it's just very much.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Weedhead, just you know, doing his thing.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
So but I appreciated it, right, And I will say
that about the film in general, like depending on where
you're coming in on this, like it's very fun. What
else who we are? We have Tiana Taylor as Perfidia.
Tiana is one of my personal favorite people just in
general as well as an artist. I love that she
(04:40):
is doing a lot more film. I feel like every
time we turn around, she's in a new film. What
did you think about her character? And very uniquely named
Perfidia Beverly Hills.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
So this is Mike grep with the film, meaning you
kind of talked about this. One of the reasons why
I find the film as profound as people are making it.
I personally didn't like the way it portrayed not just
the revolutionaries, but the way it portrayed black woman. I
feel like she was way over sexualized, and like, I
(05:13):
think she's great, and I'm happy, like you just said,
like she's taking on more roles because I want to
see more diversity from her. I think she's fantastic, she's entertaining.
We know she could dance, we know she got a body,
we know she's gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
She saying yeah, do everything.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
I just feel like the movie just kind of painted
her as this like one dimensional character who's like crazy
about sex and like forgot all her morals when she's
supposed to be like this like rebel queen. And I
just wish we could have gotten a little more of
that from her than just like, oh, let's do it
on top of this car.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Oh no, no, no, no, my baby, like like she.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Just fe it was wild.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
You know, I was grappling with that because you said
that's one of the first things we were discussing, and
you know, I slept on it and woke up and
I was just like, this is the this is the.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
What's the word I'm looking for? Like this is the conundrum.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
On the one hand, I do feel like, damn, they
just over sexualize the character. Like, but then on the
other hand, I'm just like, but that is the character. Like,
and this is also not just the over sex character.
It's a character that's like I comes and goals as
I please. Like she has literally said that at one
point in the movie, like not free spirit, but like,
(06:25):
I do what I want to do in this life.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
And she felt very true to that.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
That particular character felt very true to that in every
aspect of life, which is why I also kind of
then understood the sexuality, you know, the quote over sex
nature of her just kind of like, oh, I'm just
gonna do what I need to do. But when you
couple that with the idea that she comes from a
long line of revolutionaries and this and that not to
say revolutionaries can't be sexual. It's just for a movie
(06:53):
that is primarily lots of satire, lots of comedy, it
may read, as we mentioned earlier, that it's trivializing, like
are you really like and and of course you have
the years of stereotypes and all the negative things that
(07:16):
are said about black women, you know, like the jesepbelt,
Sapphire all the other stuff. So it's like it's also
touching on pond historical tropes negative tropes of black women too,
which is why I'm just where, like I said, the
conundrum comes in because I'm just like, you know, out
off shore. And this was directed by Paul Thomas Anderson.
Whether he meant that shit or not, it's kind of
just like, is it about your intent or the impact?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So I could and.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Then I mean, you know, he alluded to that too
in his review, just saying how he didn't like how
it portrayed revolutionaries or the idea of being a revolutionary.
So I like, at one hand, I'm just like, well,
that's just that particular character, because not every black woman
was like that in the movie.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
But at the same time, just like I definitely see.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
It because I feel like, for me, if like you know,
coming like you said, like the line of revolutionaries, like
it was emphasized, like that's been passed down in her family.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, I just feel like, like her leaving.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Her daughter, it would have made sense if she left
for a reason, but no, she just.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Like she was a rat.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
She she like she gave up on gave up people up,
they got shot up. She didn't care, like she was
like I'm gonna do me, which I get, but like,
if she had a purpose, like she's a revolutionary queen,
they should have made her like this rebel queen with
the with a plan, like maybe she ran away to
Mexicool and broke like eighty people with her, Like if
she did something impactful, I think it would have made
(08:39):
more sense.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
But no, she just left her daughter.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
She's like, oh, my man, don't my man, don't want
me no more?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Harriet Ah, No, No, I'm joking, but I feel you
like you know what they tried to And I see
that they also tried the writer all time Sanderson wrote it,
and I could he mentioned that he wrote this like
or has been writing it for twenty years or something
(09:06):
like that. And again this is this is a white
man building out a black woman character.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And I don't know if the character was always meant.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
To be black, but it's it's it makes me have questions.
It does make me have questions about your intent and
whether or not that tent even match with the impact.
I will say that he tried to give her even
like an arc, like you know, she's regretting the things
she did and or seems like regret or maybe it's
just sadness.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Maybe it's a bit of both. I don't know. So
that she wasn't completely flat.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
At least towards the end, but I feel you it's
just kind of like that's it, Like it felt hollow
in ways and not Tianna's performance performance was fantastic. It
was how the character was written. I was just like,
I don't know what was.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
To that the phone thing we were talking about. She's
on the phone, like, oh something some.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
The abortion, the the letter, it's.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Just yeah, everything just so kind of like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, like her expression of like love to her daughter,
you know, by like it was all right.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Where was this before? But it's also like these people
are very young.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Everyone's going, you know somebody who's just and we're talking
long about her because she is like one of the
critical pieces of the film, right, like everything besides the daughter,
everything surrounds Perfidious, so everything revolves around her. So it's
I don't know, man, like, let's let's get back to her.
There are as mentioned, there was a bunch of people here.
(10:35):
We also have any so del Toro as sense. How'd
you feel about Benicio Sergio sint Carlos.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Funny as hell. I actually really loved this character.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I like too that it was like it wasn't directly
hinted that he was part of things, like he he
had his own like revolution, like with the skateboarders and
like and like all his people in the in the store.
And I love that the whole aspect of like his
family being involved in everyone being in like a community,
like very tight knit. And I love that in the
(11:12):
beginning it didn't allude to that. It was just like, oh,
he's teaching Willow karate like he's very and then later
it's like, no, he he knows everything and he's just laughing,
like he's just chill.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
He got his his what had Morello.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
He had like there throughout the whole movie, like.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Chill, chill, You've been through this, right, you know the
O g revolutionary, been through this, know what the steps is,
know what to do, know how to shepherd people to
freedom or shepherd people to safety, and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
He was so saying like he unbalanced to like Leo's chaos.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, I will oh, that's a great point. Like I
love how chill he was. I love and and also
for the Natty and I the screen and we went
to together. The cats actually showed up, so they were
all there. They did like like a like a five
to ten minute Q and A. It was funny because
I didn't know whether it was shade or he was
just talking. But Benicio was like, yeah, and that little
(12:07):
piece of the movie that I'm in. I was just like,
why are you saying it like that? Like we go
see you for five seconds. He's in more than just
a little piece, and maybe it feels like a little
piece because the movie is damn near three hours long.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
By the way, should have mentioned that at the top.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Beneath Show's character was yes, absolutely hilarious and absolutely needed.
I felt like like the whole film was a comedy
at the end of the day. Right at the same time,
it was just like like like he was funny, but
he was also serious, like and I liked that. I
felt like his character had the most balance in terms
of it. Didn't like he was doing funny things. He
(12:44):
was just being himself, you know, drinking while driving stuff like.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
That, like, but he was serious about his shit.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Like I never questioned like, oh, is he is this
important to him and this and that, because like you said,
like he was being casual about it, but he wasn't
fucking playing, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
He's like, oh, this white boy.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
You feel like he was being funny about him and
he talked, but he was making moves like he making jokes.
But as he's making jokes, he's literally making moves free people,
Like stuff is happening on his direction and people are
being protected under his direction.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
So he was just a very very likable character.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
And to your point, like also a very good foil
to the madness that was Leonardo's Bob. Who else, oh, Seanan, Yes, Lloyd,
my god. Today he plays Colonel Stephen J. Lockjaw, the
(13:41):
the white supremacist, colonel soldier, hand of the state, whatever
you want to call him, narc.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
What did you think about him?
Speaker 4 (13:53):
I thought he was fantastic. I thought he was great.
He was so funny. He perfectly represented like this, I
guess we'll say, like, you know, like the political landscape
now of like these men in power that are very
like inadequate and they have like this superiority complex and
(14:15):
his like desire for like a black woman and like
his like need for for dominance, and like feeling like
he's superior and wanting to be part of the whole
Christmas Adventures club and like.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
The white white club, like we own the world, we
have power.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
And I thought he was fantastic because he was like cartoonish,
but he was like a perfect villain because he was
like super weird, like serious but like very cartoonish at
the same time, and like his tight suit and.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
The I love that line with like the tight shirt,
the banter.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
With oh yeah, she's like, oh your shirt, stud, He's like,
I'm not gay.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
He was absolutely representative of the as you say, the
red pilled god, you know, white white males where everything
is about oh you're trying to call me gay or
everything is the problem, and as you mentioned, just having
a superiority complex and just making it hard for everybody
(15:16):
else just because of your shortcomings or your misgivings, like
literally shortcomings. I know there was a point where they
was like I think you have lifting your shoes or whatever,
like because you're short, and it's just again, the film
was touching upon a lot of the archetypes that are
in this and have been in this country for a while,
let's be clear, but especially the ones that have been
(15:38):
put on pedestals that now like are right there in
our face, the the guy in the White House being
one of them. Like this movie like started really making
that really blatant and making and again to to for
better or worse, made almost everybody a caricature. And so
again there's there's parts of it where I'm just like,
(15:59):
I don't know that, like that you did that. But yes,
with with with Sean Penn's karrotson that shit was hilarious,
and you know, he had that terminator feel where it's
like he cannot be stopped, like he's gonna get his
you know, he's gonna do what he needs to do
and you know, just just do it for like really
I nane and selfish purposes, right, And at the end
of the day, it's just like he's an idiot, and
(16:22):
it's kind of how it always is, right, It's like
you're an idiot.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
You're just people treat him like an idiot.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Like like yeah, like you you don't matter for real, right,
you don't got the juice like that, So you know
it was cool. Also, oh, she actually sat and watched
the film, but us Jungle Pussy is in the film
as Jungle Pussy.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Her name is Shana, Shane and Michale.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
She had a smaller part, but she was part of
the group with Tianna Taylor and then how you think
she did?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
She was cool.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
I guess it's back to that whole issue I had.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Oh, like, I'm gonna shoot this ship up, it's my pussy.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Yeah, it was like like where revolutionary aspects, Like the
whole scene at the fire was like annoying to me
where they're like, oh, like does she even know she's pregnant?
And then like everyone just like ratted each other out
and I'm just like.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, we're portrayed except Willow obviously.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, except except the daughter.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, Shada was kind of like Perfidia Junior in ways
right where again, like you said, there were problems with
her potential writing, and again, how that aligns or misaligns
with the tone of the movie is is where a
lot of my issues come from.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
I think my main thing is that the first half
of the movie didn't come off as a comedy. I
don't think the comedy hit until the second half, so
I think if it started off funny, it may not
have bothered me as much. But totally I feel like
it completely shifted. I feel like it was subdued in
the beginning. Like in the beginning, it was very like serious.
Even the music was serious. The way they were going
(18:04):
to like attack like the uh the immigration camp and
like like try to break people out. It felt serious,
the music, the tone, the let everything.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, the first like fifteen minutes, right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Like the beginning of the movie felt serious, but just
maybe like the first half of this long ass movie, it.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
It felt more seriously.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
So I think it.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Got funny until the Adventurers Club is when it started
to feel more like satire.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I don't think the beginning came off as sattick.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
So was it not funny or you did not find
it funny?
Speaker 3 (18:35):
I don't think the beginning was funny. So this is
the thing.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
My first screening, like I mentioned, there was like a
critic screening, it wasn't as many people.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
No one laughed. I don't think anyone laughed until the
Adventurers Club.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
In this I feel like there were more laughs because
it's like, you know, way more people on watching.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
The movie different, right, and they're not from a critical background, right,
there's people from the street just watching this show.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
But I still don't think the first half of the
movie was that funny.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Okay, okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I will agree with you that the opening tone made
me think, oh, like, I didn't know it was gonna
be that like O d over the top as the
movie continued, Right, you know, maybe it was initially a
different approach because I thought, like, I knew there was
gonna be some funny shit happening just based off the trailers,
but I didn't know it was gonna be all in
(19:28):
like random, fucking goofy shit happening.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I yeah, I don't know, man like like yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
And yes, the opening scene was very like for real
serious and I'm.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Like, oh, these these you know these is really these.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Are freedom fighters and then Perfidia says something, I'm just like, oh, okay,
and I'm not gonna you know, I can say, even
though we're talking through some of the stuff that went
on through the movie, I don't want to give everything
away because again, I know some people still want to
see it. And then of course we have Chase Infinity,
who plays Willa, the daughter of Bob and the video Willa.
(20:04):
How did you feel about Chase Stage's portrayal of Wula.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Oh, I thought she was fantastic. This was a great
performance as a newcomer.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
She was great. Like she she brought a great balance
to the film. I think in terms.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Of like the shift of like the narrative and like
we're gonna I guess we're gonna keep the spoiler free
so I won't get too into her little line.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
But yeah, don't don't don't you don't give it away.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
But I thought she was fantastic, Like I loved her
banter with Leo two where it's like that I get
your shit together, Like yes, yes, she was right for
her age. I like how they played upon like she's
like her mom but not and she's smart like she
she'll you know, kind of trying like my best to
(20:54):
not really say much, but like she she's very She's
way smarter than like she gives off, like she'll try
to act like she doesn't know something, but she kind
of knows, and she can hold her own. I love that,
Like she's a fighter physically mentally like she's I thought
she was a great balance to the film, and I
want to see more projects from her.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I thought she was great.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, no, I absolutely agree with you.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
She and this was like her film debut right, like
full feature length film debut, and for this hard to
be her first I was like, Okay, she could act.
Number one, she can act, and that's hard. That's a
hard HI heard all to jump, particularly on your first time,
and sometimes you do strike gold immediately, you especially with
really young counter actors.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
And she she did a thing.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Absolutely believable as the daughter of these two, as you mentioned,
and again as in the writing, like her character was
written with the most dimensioned and even at the screening
I mentioned the cat was there. Paul Thomas Anderson was
there too, the director and as well as the screenplay writer,
and he mentioned he said it several times. He was
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just like Chase's character is the heart of the film.
It's the heart of the film everything from around her.
And I could tell, like just in how she was written,
the words, her dialogue, like everything compared to everybody else,
and what she got to do that was his, That
was his baby in the film.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Right, like in terms of like where he centered his
focus on.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
And it's understandable why she's the focus, but I could
tell like she had preference from him, and how like
she was she was developed.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Let's say that as a character and then you know
that that does, and.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Of course you still got to be a talented actor
to deliver on that, and she did, and just really
kudos to her.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
It was fun watching her.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
It was fun seeing her in all the different situations
and how how she handled that.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Willa's the character particularly and.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
She was probably one of the better portrayed black characters
in the film, not to not to forget Regina Hall,
the great Regina Hall, who played Deandra. And you know,
I was like really excited. I've I well, first of all,
I didn't even realize she was in the film until like,
like I don't know, maybe the most latest trailer. I
(23:06):
was like, oh shit, okay, cool, cool, cool. Love her character.
Her character seems to be the most straight laced and
the most accurate representation of what we would think a
black woman revolutionary would be. Granted, everyone does not have
to be the exact same approach in how they're how
they written, how they act, because that's just not people, right.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
People are different, everything is different, but.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
It just she just felt the most true. And I
think they did her dirty in the movie too.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Yes, yeah, I was gonna say, like, as you said,
like I feel like she was one of the only
females properly written in this movie.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
And then at the end, I was like, She's the
only one that I had faith in, the only one
that I like, the only one like she was there
for her people. She was a true believer.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
So I wish what I did not like, Like I said,
they did her dirty. I do not like that. Granted,
you know, this is about people doing illegal stuff to
to you know, get free, get other people freed on
that stuff. So things happen, right, people get popped, people
get put away, all types of stuff happened.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
But I just feel like.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
By the end, like everyone else, not everyone, but the
people who were still around, got some resolution, and she
was just caught up like she was the only one
who hadn't really well. I don't want to say the
people get popped, you know, don't suffer the consequences, but
she had to like suffer the consequences of everybody else too,
because like we don't see.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
What happens to her after the fact.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
So I just felt like, like, damn, like, the only
like you said, the only person like that you really
had that trust in that was gonna make this happen
for people. She get the worst end of the stick
or one of the worst ends of the stick than
all the others.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
You mentioned before music and I wanted to talk about
that because that is a ridical component of the film.
Again I have notes so and maybe this is just
his style. So the way that the music was, that
the the scoring, if you will, It was disparate, like
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depending on what was happening the screen, typically like especially
with some wild shit happening, like people running, and it
matched the scene right, for example, people running from the law, right,
running from people trying to try to chase them, trying
to get away from the enemy, whatever, right the move
At those points, you would get like these disparate sounds,
like where it's like someone's like banging on either end
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of the piano, like doing like a really crazed out symphony, right,
like just just and and I don't know if that
makes sense as I'm expressing it, but like literally like
someone just almos, damn there, pressing any fucking key and
it's becoming like a melody. And so they would match
that up to the scenes where shit was just out
of control, like there's some and there is action in
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the there's there's enough action in it, I would say.
And in those scenes like where there's a lot of
kinetic movement, the music felt more kinetic as well. So
again not and there weren't songs like they were literally
like someone was in the boof like with a bunch
of random instruments and going going in like do do
do do, like just going wild, right, But but it
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would match at the same time it as a as
a sonic person. It would bother me at times because
the way the scenes m hm and again this is
just poppy.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Just fall st out.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
It would be long stretches of this, the sounds along
with the scenes, and the scenes would be long. Again,
this movie's almost three hours long, and it was just
like and that was on purpose to also disorient you.
But there wasn't like a true beginning or end. And
that's not necessarily bad, but it was sort of like
these stretches of just noise while the person was talking.
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And I don't know if it was just our theater,
that's how it is. This shit was loud as fuck,
like the volume. It was at point where I was like,
I cannot hear what they're saying now.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I had that in my notes. Music distracting.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Girl like it.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
It was At times it was just a lot, and
I was just like, I'm just trying to follow what's
happening and not hear this whacked out you know, zuosa
flu or whatever like going in Like I just like,
and I made up a term, because like that's what
it's not like some random made up instrument that was
making these wild noises and while you're trying to like
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kind of pay attention to see what's going on screen
and see, well, which, who's going where, what's happening? But yeah,
like I said, like, and there's been long stretches of
this noise underlaid or overlaid over people speaking. It would
last for like twelve minutes and then it would just
abruptly stop and then jump into a new melody song whatever.
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And I was just like god damn, like like what
what what? What is your purpose it is? And and
again I think you put it very nicely.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
It's very distracting, and I agree with all that.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
There were definitely moments where it just felt out of place.
There were somewhere it made sense, like it added like
to the intensity and like like I said, like I
described it as anxiety ridden, Like there were yeah, that
it felt like anxiety.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
And that's on purpose, clearly on purpose, right, you're in
an anxious situation, like you want some anxiety and do scenes.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
So I mean that's cinema, right, you use the visuals
with the.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Hill fantactic at that scene.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah, oh let's go into that just so question there.
But then the cinematography pretty incredible. Actually, there was there
was you mentioned one scene that I really loved the
scene there in the desert and they're driving through the desert,
several several catchers are driving through the desert and I
don't know where they at, but like it's one of
them things where like you know, it's just that one
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road in the middle of nowhere, but it's also hilly,
so so like you're going up and down the hills,
as you mentioned, and but they do it.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
From several different angles.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Like they'll do it from a wide shot so like
you could just see the cars going up and now.
But then they'll do it from a shot like a
first person shooter, like first person shooter view, yeah, where
like you're in the car right, and then even a
view where it's like on the ground itself and then
you see the rolling hills and the up and down,
and again it's on purpose. It's to disorient you. It's
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to make you feel like what's happening. It makes you
feel like I'm on a ride Like that's kind of
that was also the point, like you're on a wild
ride and I'm like, okay, on the nose, I get it.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
But it was still looked real good. It still looked really.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Good, and it was just some things that were just
really well done when it came to cinematography, like did
you have besides the rolling thing, any other thoughts or scenes.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Where Tiana's characters running away from Ah and like the
like the aerial view was like.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
The helicopter shot, like it was, Yeah, that was.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Beautiful, that was shot really well.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
It's interesting because Tiana, because she's also very athletic, so
like anytime she would be like running or doing some
real physical shit, the camera would be wit her, like
running with her, like it's you know, it was all
must be on a truck or something going at that
and she'd be going full you know they told that
Tom Cruise run, she'd be going full fucking speed and
like it's like you know the Tiata Taylor run, understand.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
So it was, but you know, just to see that that.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Just her just exuding that character and like having a
power behind her, like I got it. And again it
was shot in that way to really let you understand,
like this, this is a powerful person, which also makes
me go back to like, so why did you portray
her like that?
Speaker 2 (30:38):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
When we talked about music and photography, characters, pacing, pacing
and writing your.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Thoughts, uh, I think that's back to my whole Like
the first half felt like a different movie to me.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I felt disjointed. I think the film absolutely needed to
but like twenty five minutes like Shave twenty five minutes
in the movie off. It was really long. And we
talked about this, like, I'm a Nolan fanatic.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
I can sit through a three hour movie. I can
sit through multiple times. I watched the Dark Knight trilogy
three times each in Imax, like even though when they
had the marathon, I saw all three in one day
in Imax. I can sit through long movies. I just
think for me, it felt like you know when you
feel like all right, it's just the end is just
(31:28):
the climax, is the movie over? There were so many
moments where like, all right, the movie's about to end.
The movie's about to end, and then we're like, wait
a second, Nope, the whole new thing just popped off
and we're like wait what.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yes, it was a lot of false stops where I'm
just like, all right, and no it's a new scene. Okay, great,
and oh no, we're still going right, I.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Listen, the pacing was just this was more than the marathon.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
This is just like, bruh, y'all, y'all dragging it now.
And I will say, like that last hour, I looked
at my and I wasn't being funny. I dead ass
looked at my watch and I looked at naughty and
I said bruh, like and.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
She just laugh because she knew. She already knew.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
But I was just like, okay, I just wrap it up,
like I get it, Like, where else is this going?
So it to your point? Shit, I say, a whole
fucking thirty five forty minutes. It could have been gone. Honestly,
the last fifty.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Could have been gone. Just keep it a cool two hours,
because my god, Like but.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
And this is why I think there was some d
writing when it comes to this director, because I understand
he's the legendary director and all this other stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
But it's also just like you kind of just.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Let him do whatever the fuck you want, like for
as long as he wanted no real true editing. It's
kind of just like I just throw all them season there,
and I know people are gonna feel differently. Some people
are gonna be like, nah, I needed to be in that.
I needed to stay there.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
That's cool.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I was ready to go because I was just like,
you've shown me everything, you know. There wasn't any more surprises,
if you will, in terms of characterizations, in terms of yeah,
there was story narrative surprises, but there wasn't for me,
there wasn't nothing else that was just like, okay, you
should should still be here to the end.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
I was just like, all right, I'm out to dip.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
What has me curious, too, is that the film is
loosely based on I think it was Thomas Pension.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
I'm probably butchering thomas.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Novel Inland, and supposedly he took Anderson took ideas like
short story ideas from it. So I'm just imagining, how.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Is this film a bunch of short stories put together
three hours?
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Like wait, I'm still I want to go into into
that novel to kind of see what he pulled from it,
to understand the whole thing of why this twenty years.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Is this film a bunch of short stories for together,
which would explain like the abrupt change between certain things.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Sometimes that's what I'm.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Trying to understand. But I want to dig into that more.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Okay, Yeah, that's a good point, thank you. And I
would have to. I have to also read the novel.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
And I do appreciate if a movie can get me
to read the you know, the source material or whatever
is inspired because it is inspired by so I think
that's where something. But the length, my god, uh, the dialogue,
like I said, it's it's it's meant to be a commedist.
People saying silly shit all throughout. It also nonsensical shit
at times. We did mention, you know, at the very beginning,
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there's a very revolutionary act that's done and then it's like, all.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Right, now let's have sex.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
It was just like it's just like it's kind of
out of place, Like I just think you're meant to
be the crazy one, You're meant to be the out
there wild child. But it was just like but you're
also smarter than that, so I don't it was disjointed
in that way. What do we Oh, there wasn't any
like effects per se, because it's not that type of film.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I mean, you know, like I said, it's violent, it
can be violent, it wasn't. It wasn't too bad on
like the blood and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
So like I know, sometimes people ask about that, like
there's a lot of blood, Is it gory?
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Not really.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
There's a couple of scenes with that, but it's nothing
that there's nothing too wild, like, so don't worry about that.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
You're not gonna get.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Like jump scares and wow like the Boys style violence.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Like I was not saying that.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
There was like one like shocking scene with Tiana.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Where that's also where the whole tone of the film
didn't make sense to me, because it was like, oh,
about to get real serious, yeah, and then like later
it's like, oh.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
We're part of the Christmas Club.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, I will say, and listen, this is where you
and I were talking about, like where it comes to
where I was like, I didn't feel that it was trivializing.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Trivializing because I reached a comedy that.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Punches up in the sense of like, there is this
group of white supremacists in the film, which what they
call it the.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
The Christmas Adventures.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Christmas Adventurers Club.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Okay, we get it what that's for, right, And it's
literally just like essentially going in on the stupidity of
white supremacist KKK, all them types of groups and all
the little fucking signals that they do to each other,
all the codes and all that stuff, like, because at
the end of the day, they're trying to be they
are first.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
They steal from other cultures too.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
They are stealing from the revolutionaries themselves again, you know,
the revolutionary talking and cold for a reason doing this
And now all of a sudden, these idiots over here
they got to come up with a little slang and
lingo and right, and because they want to feel like
they belong right and in their case, you know, they
belong to a small.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Group of people who actually control shit.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
So I did like the fact that from a punch
up perspective that the movie reflected on those people like,
you know, this is a group of clowns, which is
how all those types of hate groups should be portrayed.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yep, clowns.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
So I was good with that, what else about this
film that we didn't talk about every messed that you
want to mention?
Speaker 4 (37:02):
It also around like the whole immigration aspect, and like
today's political climate. I think it did a really poor
job on creating any.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Conversation about what's happening.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
I feel like if we're gonna use that as like
a focal point, it should at least create some sort
of conversation, Like the way people are talking about this
is the greatest movie I've seen. I'm sorry your capin
like it's it's.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
A fun movie.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
I like it, but I don't think it's gonna be
talked about in ten years. And it didn't do anything
for me in terms of creating bigger conversations. So I
think people are making it bigger than what it is.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
It's a fun time, but it did not.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
The only thing I did like, which is back to
the whole focus on like showing both sides, I guess
is where they show like the instigators with the Molotov.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yes, you show how to instigators infiltrate the groups that
are trying to do good, trying to do the change that, but.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
They still did nothing to create a conversation. And like
the immigrants like essentially played no part in their own
movie aside from.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yes, yes, yes, you great points. And that's what's when
I say the conundrum of this film, Like that's like
for me because and I mean because of you as well,
but you because you were expressing as such. But for me,
like that's all I could think about. I was just like,
like the film opens with that, right with and the
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majority of the film is all the whole film, to
various levels, is dealing about with immigration and and the
people that effect and that's all I and yes, this
is the.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Current climate we're in.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
But I was just even in respect of that, I
was thinking that like every time they showed certain scenes,
they showed immigrant.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Families trying to move around.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Try to get to safety, try like where they had
to live, where they was hiding, what they were doing,
what they were trying to do to keep together, Like
that's all I could think about, Like the what you mentioned,
like they didn't share any space for that conversation because
I understand that's not what the movie was about for Paul,
But that's all I can think about my head, like damn,
(39:14):
like do y'all see, like are y'all seeing what I'm
seeing as I was sitting there, like everybody's kicking, and
I'm like, do y'all see what I see?
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Like?
Speaker 1 (39:20):
And I don't know like whether or not like Paul's approach,
like he was just he was like, I'm kind of
like maybe for all we know, he's sitting there like, yeah,
you know, I was trying to show y'all what it
really be people be going through. And I'm just like, well,
people get that because all I heard your point was like,
oh I was I was that that movie was funny, right,
But I'm just like, did any of the other.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Parts hit you at all? Did did well?
Speaker 1 (39:43):
You remember any of that part? And I just it's
just varying degrees of success, I think when it comes
to understanding the point, because I do think there were
potentially some real true points there that just ended up
a lot of people. Not all, but a lot of
people will just miss it completely. It'll go right over
their heads. And that's a shame because there's there's so
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much that could be taken away from this film in
that way that you describe about really opening up that conversation,
expanding conversation, but didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
That's why I wish Tiana was painted differently, like she
still could have been the crazy like sex addict and
like super empowering at the same time. Like I just
feel like she was very like one way when she
should have been like the hero of the movie.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, no, I feel you on that.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Okay, So I think we touched on all the points
with that said, what would you rate this film? You
want to give a letter grade or score between? Now,
let's you have a letter grade first, and then tell
me why. M I usually do number, but new numbers. Okay,
do one to ten, one to five, what you want.
I'm gonna say seven, seven out of ten, okay, all right,
(40:56):
And for all the reasons you mentioned, is there anything
particular that just brought it down from a perfect ten?
Because these people out there, these other quids are giving
it a perfect ten.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
I had it. Yeah when we watched, we watched it
got a ninety seven percent ratio Rotten Tomatoes.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
What what did y'all watch?
Speaker 4 (41:11):
I'm sorry, Like I said, like, I'm gonna forget about
this movie.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
I don't think this is a movie where I'm going
to be like, do you remember that Leo movie? Oh
my god, Like I'm not gonna.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Have it on my wall like this right, Okay, yeah,
it's not Oscar.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Worthy for nobody for me.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
I'm sorry, No, these people are really like when I say,
these people talk about critics like they really the greatest
movie ever, and I'm just like no.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
I'm like Sinners was the best movie of the year.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
That part, that part period, I wrote out like a
novel about Sinners.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
And I saw that, like I saw that whole four times.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
That was like a whole month of coverage, Like, yeah,
I would rate I'll use your number scale. I think
I would probably also rated the seven, like I feel
like that's that apply the issues I had while also
being true to the fact that I did think it
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was cool, like I did think it was fun at
a lot of points. I did think shit was funny
sometimes too, But I had some also major issues, particularly
with the black women characters, and just again that overall
idea that it kind of felt like they trivialized revolution
and the fight for freedom, like and especially in how
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Shit Is Today.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
I was like, right now today, I was just like.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
That Shit's not funny to me, Like niggas are dying
so for this, So whatever that said, I appreciate you
being on For All Nerds, Nadia. Thank you so much
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And again, this is a white man building out a
black woman character. And I don't know if the character
was always meant to be black, but it's it's it
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Speaker 1 (01:02):
Right, and today we are doing our review of a
movie called One Battle after Another. Now this may sound
familiar to a few people because you may have recalled
the review that my brother DJ Benhamien gave. He had
some words about it, and I said, well, I got
to get a chance to see it and feel, you know,
(01:24):
see how I feel about that, Nadia, she actually saw
it twice. So you got to really be sure about
how you feel about this film one bout out the
number before we get into the detailing and all the
other stuff. Can you just give me just a short
thing of how you feel about it, Like, just just
something brief that explained to me how you felt about
(01:46):
this film.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I in my initial reaction, I described it as like
chaotically suspenseful, bizarre. It's like a satirical reflection of politics, anxiety,
written cinematically, stunning, explosive, exciting performances, but also disjointed.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Okay, all right, that's I like that summary.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I felt it was a unique film, uh in its
approach to humor, you know, humor and high stakes, I
should say, the outrageous situations. It did have a lot
of visual the lights cast. I thought it was phenomenal,
very strong performances all around. I mean, you're you're pretty
much dealing with a bunch of very seasoned professionals and
(02:29):
you know, some newcomers, but generally, you know, everyone was
really fire. And at the same time, I felt the
film trivialized a lot of things, and I felt the
way I have notes, So would that being said, like
what should we start? Should we started the good? Let's
start at good, Let's start with the good. So characters,
(02:52):
I just mentioned a bunch of characters already, Like tell
me how you felt about each one. So like, for example,
we have Leo DiCaprio who plays Bob, the main character,
one of the main characters.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
So Leo is one of my favorite actors of all time,
Like he's up there with Denzel Daniel da Lewis.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
For me, I love him and most of what he's in.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
And for me, I think this was more of a
fun role because he's pretty much like a pothead.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Running around in a robe like the movie, and like.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I think it was like fun to see him like this,
so like chaotic and like an energetic performance from him,
but not in his usual type of movie that he's in.
So I think it's fun, but it's like not like
Oscar level worthy.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
No, yeah, no, I agree, it was more like he
was just having fun, good time. Maybe there was this
was a mortgage movie for him.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
But it was still Leo.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Right at the end of the day, He's a great
answer and is still entertaining to watch and play the characters.
I agree with you there, you know it in terms
of like if you've seen this side of him a lot,
like it reminded me of and again not not Oscar
inspired performances, but it reminded me of just the manicness
of his Jordan Belfort in The Wolf of Wall Street,
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Like it was approaching there, but like, like you said,
it's just very much.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Weedhead, just you know, doing his thing.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
So but I appreciated it, right, And I will say
that about the film in general, like depending on where
you're coming in on this, like it's very fun. What
else who we are? We have Tiana Taylor as Perfidia.
Tiana is one of my personal favorite people just in
general as well as an artist. I love that she
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is doing a lot more film. I feel like every
time we turn around, she's in a new film. What
did you think about her character? And very uniquely named
Perfidia Beverly Hills.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
So this is Mike grep with the film, meaning you
kind of talked about this. One of the reasons why
I find the film as profound as people are making it.
I personally didn't like the way it portrayed not just
the revolutionaries, but the way it portrayed black woman. I
feel like she was way over sexualized, and like, I
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think she's great, and I'm happy, like you just said,
like she's taking on more roles because I want to
see more diversity from her. I think she's fantastic, she's entertaining.
We know she could dance, we know she got a body,
we know she's gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
She saying yeah, do everything.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
I just feel like the movie just kind of painted
her as this like one dimensional character who's like crazy
about sex and like forgot all her morals when she's
supposed to be like this like rebel queen. And I
just wish we could have gotten a little more of
that from her than just like, oh, let's do it
on top of this car.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Oh no, no, no, no, my baby, like like she.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Just fe it was wild.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
You know, I was grappling with that because you said
that's one of the first things we were discussing, and
you know, I slept on it and woke up and
I was just like, this is the this is the.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
What's the word I'm looking for? Like this is the conundrum.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
On the one hand, I do feel like, damn, they
just over sexualize the character. Like, but then on the
other hand, I'm just like, but that is the character. Like,
and this is also not just the over sex character.
It's a character that's like I comes and goals as
I please. Like she has literally said that at one
point in the movie, like not free spirit, but like,
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I do what I want to do in this life.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
And she felt very true to that.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
That particular character felt very true to that in every
aspect of life, which is why I also kind of
then understood the sexuality, you know, the quote over sex
nature of her just kind of like, oh, I'm just
gonna do what I need to do. But when you
couple that with the idea that she comes from a
long line of revolutionaries and this and that not to
say revolutionaries can't be sexual. It's just for a movie
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that is primarily lots of satire, lots of comedy, it
may read, as we mentioned earlier, that it's trivializing, like
are you really like and and of course you have
the years of stereotypes and all the negative things that
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are said about black women, you know, like the jesepbelt,
Sapphire all the other stuff. So it's like it's also
touching on pond historical tropes negative tropes of black women too,
which is why I'm just where, like I said, the
conundrum comes in because I'm just like, you know, out
off shore. And this was directed by Paul Thomas Anderson.
Whether he meant that shit or not, it's kind of
just like, is it about your intent or the impact?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So I could and.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Then I mean, you know, he alluded to that too
in his review, just saying how he didn't like how
it portrayed revolutionaries or the idea of being a revolutionary.
So I like, at one hand, I'm just like, well,
that's just that particular character, because not every black woman
was like that in the movie.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
But at the same time, just like I definitely see.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
It because I feel like, for me, if like you know,
coming like you said, like the line of revolutionaries, like
it was emphasized, like that's been passed down in her family.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, I just feel like, like her leaving.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Her daughter, it would have made sense if she left
for a reason, but no, she just.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Like she was a rat.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
She she like she gave up on gave up people up,
they got shot up. She didn't care, like she was
like I'm gonna do me, which I get, but like,
if she had a purpose, like she's a revolutionary queen,
they should have made her like this rebel queen with
the with a plan, like maybe she ran away to
Mexicool and broke like eighty people with her, Like if
she did something impactful, I think it would have made
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more sense.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
But no, she just left her daughter.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
She's like, oh, my man, don't my man, don't want
me no more?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Harriet Ah, No, No, I'm joking, but I feel you
like you know what they tried to And I see
that they also tried the writer all time Sanderson wrote it,
and I could he mentioned that he wrote this like
or has been writing it for twenty years or something
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like that. And again this is this is a white
man building out a black woman character.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And I don't know if the character was always meant.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
To be black, but it's it's it makes me have questions.
It does make me have questions about your intent and
whether or not that tent even match with the impact.
I will say that he tried to give her even
like an arc, like you know, she's regretting the things
she did and or seems like regret or maybe it's
just sadness.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Maybe it's a bit of both. I don't know. So
that she wasn't completely flat.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
At least towards the end, but I feel you it's
just kind of like that's it, Like it felt hollow
in ways and not Tianna's performance performance was fantastic. It
was how the character was written. I was just like,
I don't know what was.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
To that the phone thing we were talking about. She's
on the phone, like, oh something some.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
The abortion, the the letter, it's.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Just yeah, everything just so kind of like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, like her expression of like love to her daughter,
you know, by like it was all right.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Where was this before? But it's also like these people
are very young.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Everyone's going, you know somebody who's just and we're talking
long about her because she is like one of the
critical pieces of the film, right, like everything besides the daughter,
everything surrounds Perfidious, so everything revolves around her. So it's
I don't know, man, like, let's let's get back to her.
There are as mentioned, there was a bunch of people here.
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We also have any so del Toro as sense. How'd
you feel about Benicio Sergio sint Carlos.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Funny as hell. I actually really loved this character.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I like too that it was like it wasn't directly
hinted that he was part of things, like he he
had his own like revolution, like with the skateboarders and
like and like all his people in the in the store.
And I love that the whole aspect of like his
family being involved in everyone being in like a community,
like very tight knit. And I love that in the
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beginning it didn't allude to that. It was just like, oh,
he's teaching Willow karate like he's very and then later
it's like, no, he he knows everything and he's just laughing,
like he's just chill.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
He got his his what had Morello.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
He had like there throughout the whole movie, like.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Chill, chill, You've been through this, right, you know the
O g revolutionary, been through this, know what the steps is,
know what to do, know how to shepherd people to
freedom or shepherd people to safety, and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
He was so saying like he unbalanced to like Leo's chaos.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, I will oh, that's a great point. Like I
love how chill he was. I love and and also
for the Natty and I the screen and we went
to together. The cats actually showed up, so they were
all there. They did like like a like a five
to ten minute Q and A. It was funny because
I didn't know whether it was shade or he was
just talking. But Benicio was like, yeah, and that little
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piece of the movie that I'm in. I was just like,
why are you saying it like that? Like we go
see you for five seconds. He's in more than just
a little piece, and maybe it feels like a little
piece because the movie is damn near three hours long.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
By the way, should have mentioned that at the top.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Beneath Show's character was yes, absolutely hilarious and absolutely needed.
I felt like like the whole film was a comedy
at the end of the day. Right at the same time,
it was just like like like he was funny, but
he was also serious, like and I liked that. I
felt like his character had the most balance in terms
of it. Didn't like he was doing funny things. He
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was just being himself, you know, drinking while driving stuff like.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
That, like, but he was serious about his shit.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Like I never questioned like, oh, is he is this
important to him and this and that, because like you said,
like he was being casual about it, but he wasn't
fucking playing, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
He's like, oh, this white boy.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
You feel like he was being funny about him and
he talked, but he was making moves like he making jokes.
But as he's making jokes, he's literally making moves free people,
Like stuff is happening on his direction and people are
being protected under his direction.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
So he was just a very very likable character.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
And to your point, like also a very good foil
to the madness that was Leonardo's Bob. Who else, oh, Seanan, Yes, Lloyd,
my god. Today he plays Colonel Stephen J. Lockjaw, the
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the white supremacist, colonel soldier, hand of the state, whatever
you want to call him, narc.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
What did you think about him?
Speaker 4 (13:53):
I thought he was fantastic. I thought he was great.
He was so funny. He perfectly represented like this, I
guess we'll say, like, you know, like the political landscape
now of like these men in power that are very
like inadequate and they have like this superiority complex and
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his like desire for like a black woman and like
his like need for for dominance, and like feeling like
he's superior and wanting to be part of the whole
Christmas Adventures club and like.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
The white white club, like we own the world, we
have power.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
And I thought he was fantastic because he was like cartoonish,
but he was like a perfect villain because he was
like super weird, like serious but like very cartoonish at
the same time, and like his tight suit and.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
The I love that line with like the tight shirt,
the banter.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
With oh yeah, she's like, oh your shirt, stud, He's like,
I'm not gay.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
He was absolutely representative of the as you say, the
red pilled god, you know, white white males where everything
is about oh you're trying to call me gay or
everything is the problem, and as you mentioned, just having
a superiority complex and just making it hard for everybody
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else just because of your shortcomings or your misgivings, like
literally shortcomings. I know there was a point where they
was like I think you have lifting your shoes or whatever,
like because you're short, and it's just again, the film
was touching upon a lot of the archetypes that are
in this and have been in this country for a while,
let's be clear, but especially the ones that have been
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put on pedestals that now like are right there in
our face, the the guy in the White House being
one of them. Like this movie like started really making
that really blatant and making and again to to for
better or worse, made almost everybody a caricature. And so
again there's there's parts of it where I'm just like,
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I don't know that, like that you did that. But yes,
with with with Sean Penn's karrotson that shit was hilarious,
and you know, he had that terminator feel where it's
like he cannot be stopped, like he's gonna get his
you know, he's gonna do what he needs to do
and you know, just just do it for like really
I nane and selfish purposes, right, And at the end
of the day, it's just like he's an idiot, and
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it's kind of how it always is, right, It's like
you're an idiot.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
You're just people treat him like an idiot.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Like like yeah, like you you don't matter for real, right,
you don't got the juice like that, So you know
it was cool. Also, oh, she actually sat and watched
the film, but us Jungle Pussy is in the film
as Jungle Pussy.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Her name is Shana, Shane and Michale.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
She had a smaller part, but she was part of
the group with Tianna Taylor and then how you think
she did?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
She was cool.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
I guess it's back to that whole issue I had.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Oh, like, I'm gonna shoot this ship up, it's my pussy.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Yeah, it was like like where revolutionary aspects, Like the
whole scene at the fire was like annoying to me
where they're like, oh, like does she even know she's pregnant?
And then like everyone just like ratted each other out
and I'm just like.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, we're portrayed except Willow obviously.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, except except the daughter.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, Shada was kind of like Perfidia Junior in ways
right where again, like you said, there were problems with
her potential writing, and again, how that aligns or misaligns
with the tone of the movie is is where a
lot of my issues come from.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
I think my main thing is that the first half
of the movie didn't come off as a comedy. I
don't think the comedy hit until the second half, so
I think if it started off funny, it may not
have bothered me as much. But totally I feel like
it completely shifted. I feel like it was subdued in
the beginning. Like in the beginning, it was very like serious.
Even the music was serious. The way they were going
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to like attack like the uh the immigration camp and
like like try to break people out. It felt serious,
the music, the tone, the let everything.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, the first like fifteen minutes, right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Like the beginning of the movie felt serious, but just
maybe like the first half of this long ass movie, it.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
It felt more seriously.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
So I think it.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Got funny until the Adventurers Club is when it started
to feel more like satire.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I don't think the beginning came off as sattick.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
So was it not funny or you did not find
it funny?
Speaker 3 (18:35):
I don't think the beginning was funny. So this is
the thing.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
My first screening, like I mentioned, there was like a
critic screening, it wasn't as many people.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
No one laughed. I don't think anyone laughed until the
Adventurers Club.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
In this I feel like there were more laughs because
it's like, you know, way more people on watching.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
The movie different, right, and they're not from a critical background, right,
there's people from the street just watching this show.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
But I still don't think the first half of the
movie was that funny.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Okay, okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I will agree with you that the opening tone made
me think, oh, like, I didn't know it was gonna
be that like O d over the top as the
movie continued, Right, you know, maybe it was initially a
different approach because I thought, like, I knew there was
gonna be some funny shit happening just based off the trailers,
but I didn't know it was gonna be all in
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like random, fucking goofy shit happening.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I yeah, I don't know, man like like yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
And yes, the opening scene was very like for real
serious and I'm.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Like, oh, these these you know these is really these.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Are freedom fighters and then Perfidia says something, I'm just like, oh, okay,
and I'm not gonna you know, I can say, even
though we're talking through some of the stuff that went
on through the movie, I don't want to give everything
away because again, I know some people still want to
see it. And then of course we have Chase Infinity,
who plays Willa, the daughter of Bob and the video Willa.
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How did you feel about Chase Stage's portrayal of Wula.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Oh, I thought she was fantastic. This was a great
performance as a newcomer.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
She was great. Like she she brought a great balance
to the film. I think in terms.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Of like the shift of like the narrative and like
we're gonna I guess we're gonna keep the spoiler free
so I won't get too into her little line.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
But yeah, don't don't don't you don't give it away.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
But I thought she was fantastic, Like I loved her
banter with Leo two where it's like that I get
your shit together, Like yes, yes, she was right for
her age. I like how they played upon like she's
like her mom but not and she's smart like she
she'll you know, kind of trying like my best to
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not really say much, but like she she's very She's
way smarter than like she gives off, like she'll try
to act like she doesn't know something, but she kind
of knows, and she can hold her own. I love that,
Like she's a fighter physically mentally like she's I thought
she was a great balance to the film, and I
want to see more projects from her.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I thought she was great.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, no, I absolutely agree with you.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
She and this was like her film debut right, like
full feature length film debut, and for this hard to
be her first I was like, Okay, she could act.
Number one, she can act, and that's hard. That's a
hard HI heard all to jump, particularly on your first time,
and sometimes you do strike gold immediately, you especially with
really young counter actors.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
And she she did a thing.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Absolutely believable as the daughter of these two, as you mentioned,
and again as in the writing, like her character was
written with the most dimensioned and even at the screening
I mentioned the cat was there. Paul Thomas Anderson was
there too, the director and as well as the screenplay writer,
and he mentioned he said it several times. He was
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just like Chase's character is the heart of the film.
It's the heart of the film everything from around her.
And I could tell, like just in how she was written,
the words, her dialogue, like everything compared to everybody else,
and what she got to do that was his, That
was his baby in the film.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Right, like in terms of like where he centered his
focus on.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
And it's understandable why she's the focus, but I could
tell like she had preference from him, and how like
she was she was developed.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Let's say that as a character and then you know
that that does, and.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Of course you still got to be a talented actor
to deliver on that, and she did, and just really
kudos to her.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
It was fun watching her.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
It was fun seeing her in all the different situations
and how how she handled that.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Willa's the character particularly and.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
She was probably one of the better portrayed black characters
in the film, not to not to forget Regina Hall,
the great Regina Hall, who played Deandra. And you know,
I was like really excited. I've I well, first of all,
I didn't even realize she was in the film until like,
like I don't know, maybe the most latest trailer. I
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was like, oh shit, okay, cool, cool, cool. Love her character.
Her character seems to be the most straight laced and
the most accurate representation of what we would think a
black woman revolutionary would be. Granted, everyone does not have
to be the exact same approach in how they're how
they written, how they act, because that's just not people, right.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
People are different, everything is different, but.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
It just she just felt the most true. And I
think they did her dirty in the movie too.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Yes, yeah, I was gonna say, like, as you said,
like I feel like she was one of the only
females properly written in this movie.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
And then at the end, I was like, She's the
only one that I had faith in, the only one
that I like, the only one like she was there
for her people. She was a true believer.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
So I wish what I did not like, Like I said,
they did her dirty. I do not like that. Granted,
you know, this is about people doing illegal stuff to
to you know, get free, get other people freed on
that stuff. So things happen, right, people get popped, people
get put away, all types of stuff happened.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
But I just feel like.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
By the end, like everyone else, not everyone, but the
people who were still around, got some resolution, and she
was just caught up like she was the only one
who hadn't really well. I don't want to say the
people get popped, you know, don't suffer the consequences, but
she had to like suffer the consequences of everybody else too,
because like we don't see.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
What happens to her after the fact.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
So I just felt like, like, damn, like, the only
like you said, the only person like that you really
had that trust in that was gonna make this happen
for people. She get the worst end of the stick
or one of the worst ends of the stick than
all the others.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
You mentioned before music and I wanted to talk about
that because that is a ridical component of the film.
Again I have notes so and maybe this is just
his style. So the way that the music was, that
the the scoring, if you will, It was disparate, like
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depending on what was happening the screen, typically like especially
with some wild shit happening, like people running, and it
matched the scene right, for example, people running from the law, right,
running from people trying to try to chase them, trying
to get away from the enemy, whatever, right the move
At those points, you would get like these disparate sounds,
like where it's like someone's like banging on either end
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of the piano, like doing like a really crazed out symphony, right,
like just just and and I don't know if that
makes sense as I'm expressing it, but like literally like
someone just almos, damn there, pressing any fucking key and
it's becoming like a melody. And so they would match
that up to the scenes where shit was just out
of control, like there's some and there is action in
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the there's there's enough action in it, I would say.
And in those scenes like where there's a lot of
kinetic movement, the music felt more kinetic as well. So
again not and there weren't songs like they were literally
like someone was in the boof like with a bunch
of random instruments and going going in like do do
do do, like just going wild, right, But but it
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would match at the same time it as a as
a sonic person. It would bother me at times because
the way the scenes m hm and again this is
just poppy.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Just fall st out.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
It would be long stretches of this, the sounds along
with the scenes, and the scenes would be long. Again,
this movie's almost three hours long, and it was just
like and that was on purpose to also disorient you.
But there wasn't like a true beginning or end. And
that's not necessarily bad, but it was sort of like
these stretches of just noise while the person was talking.
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And I don't know if it was just our theater,
that's how it is. This shit was loud as fuck,
like the volume. It was at point where I was like,
I cannot hear what they're saying now.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I had that in my notes. Music distracting.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Girl like it.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
It was At times it was just a lot, and
I was just like, I'm just trying to follow what's
happening and not hear this whacked out you know, zuosa
flu or whatever like going in Like I just like,
and I made up a term, because like that's what
it's not like some random made up instrument that was
making these wild noises and while you're trying to like
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kind of pay attention to see what's going on screen
and see, well, which, who's going where, what's happening? But yeah,
like I said, like, and there's been long stretches of
this noise underlaid or overlaid over people speaking. It would
last for like twelve minutes and then it would just
abruptly stop and then jump into a new melody song whatever.
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And I was just like god damn, like like what
what what? What is your purpose it is? And and
again I think you put it very nicely.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
It's very distracting, and I agree with all that.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
There were definitely moments where it just felt out of place.
There were somewhere it made sense, like it added like
to the intensity and like like I said, like I
described it as anxiety ridden, Like there were yeah, that
it felt like anxiety.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
And that's on purpose, clearly on purpose, right, you're in
an anxious situation, like you want some anxiety and do scenes.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
So I mean that's cinema, right, you use the visuals
with the.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Hill fantactic at that scene.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah, oh let's go into that just so question there.
But then the cinematography pretty incredible. Actually, there was there
was you mentioned one scene that I really loved the
scene there in the desert and they're driving through the desert,
several several catchers are driving through the desert and I
don't know where they at, but like it's one of
them things where like you know, it's just that one
(28:56):
road in the middle of nowhere, but it's also hilly,
so so like you're going up and down the hills,
as you mentioned, and but they do it.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
From several different angles.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Like they'll do it from a wide shot so like
you could just see the cars going up and now.
But then they'll do it from a shot like a
first person shooter, like first person shooter view, yeah, where
like you're in the car right, and then even a
view where it's like on the ground itself and then
you see the rolling hills and the up and down,
and again it's on purpose. It's to disorient you. It's
(29:26):
to make you feel like what's happening. It makes you
feel like I'm on a ride Like that's kind of
that was also the point, like you're on a wild
ride and I'm like, okay, on the nose, I get it.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
But it was still looked real good. It still looked really.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Good, and it was just some things that were just
really well done when it came to cinematography, like did
you have besides the rolling thing, any other thoughts or scenes.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Where Tiana's characters running away from Ah and like the
like the aerial view was like.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
The helicopter shot, like it was, Yeah, that was.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Beautiful, that was shot really well.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
It's interesting because Tiana, because she's also very athletic, so
like anytime she would be like running or doing some
real physical shit, the camera would be wit her, like
running with her, like it's you know, it was all
must be on a truck or something going at that
and she'd be going full you know they told that
Tom Cruise run, she'd be going full fucking speed and
like it's like you know the Tiata Taylor run, understand.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
So it was, but you know, just to see that that.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Just her just exuding that character and like having a
power behind her, like I got it. And again it
was shot in that way to really let you understand,
like this, this is a powerful person, which also makes
me go back to like, so why did you portray
her like that?
Speaker 2 (30:38):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
When we talked about music and photography, characters, pacing, pacing
and writing your.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Thoughts, uh, I think that's back to my whole Like
the first half felt like a different movie to me.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I felt disjointed. I think the film absolutely needed to
but like twenty five minutes like Shave twenty five minutes
in the movie off. It was really long. And we
talked about this, like, I'm a Nolan fanatic.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
I can sit through a three hour movie. I can
sit through multiple times. I watched the Dark Knight trilogy
three times each in Imax, like even though when they
had the marathon, I saw all three in one day
in Imax. I can sit through long movies. I just
think for me, it felt like you know when you
feel like all right, it's just the end is just
(31:28):
the climax, is the movie over? There were so many
moments where like, all right, the movie's about to end.
The movie's about to end, and then we're like, wait
a second, Nope, the whole new thing just popped off
and we're like wait what.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yes, it was a lot of false stops where I'm
just like, all right, and no it's a new scene. Okay, great,
and oh no, we're still going right, I.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Listen, the pacing was just this was more than the marathon.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
This is just like, bruh, y'all, y'all dragging it now.
And I will say, like that last hour, I looked
at my and I wasn't being funny. I dead ass
looked at my watch and I looked at naughty and
I said bruh, like and.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
She just laugh because she knew. She already knew.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
But I was just like, okay, I just wrap it up,
like I get it, Like, where else is this going?
So it to your point? Shit, I say, a whole
fucking thirty five forty minutes. It could have been gone. Honestly,
the last fifty.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Could have been gone. Just keep it a cool two hours,
because my god, Like but.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
And this is why I think there was some d
writing when it comes to this director, because I understand
he's the legendary director and all this other stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
But it's also just like you kind of just.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Let him do whatever the fuck you want, like for
as long as he wanted no real true editing. It's
kind of just like I just throw all them season there,
and I know people are gonna feel differently. Some people
are gonna be like, nah, I needed to be in that.
I needed to stay there.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
That's cool.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I was ready to go because I was just like,
you've shown me everything, you know. There wasn't any more surprises,
if you will, in terms of characterizations, in terms of yeah,
there was story narrative surprises, but there wasn't for me,
there wasn't nothing else that was just like, okay, you
should should still be here to the end.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
I was just like, all right, I'm out to dip.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
What has me curious, too, is that the film is
loosely based on I think it was Thomas Pension.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
I'm probably butchering thomas.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Novel Inland, and supposedly he took Anderson took ideas like
short story ideas from it. So I'm just imagining, how.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Is this film a bunch of short stories put together
three hours?
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Like wait, I'm still I want to go into into
that novel to kind of see what he pulled from it,
to understand the whole thing of why this twenty years.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Is this film a bunch of short stories for together,
which would explain like the abrupt change between certain things.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Sometimes that's what I'm.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Trying to understand. But I want to dig into that more.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Okay, Yeah, that's a good point, thank you. And I
would have to. I have to also read the novel.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
And I do appreciate if a movie can get me
to read the you know, the source material or whatever
is inspired because it is inspired by so I think
that's where something. But the length, my god, uh, the dialogue,
like I said, it's it's it's meant to be a commedist.
People saying silly shit all throughout. It also nonsensical shit
at times. We did mention, you know, at the very beginning,
(34:24):
there's a very revolutionary act that's done and then it's like, all.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Right, now let's have sex.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
It was just like it's just like it's kind of
out of place, Like I just think you're meant to
be the crazy one, You're meant to be the out
there wild child. But it was just like but you're
also smarter than that, so I don't it was disjointed
in that way. What do we Oh, there wasn't any
like effects per se, because it's not that type of film.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I mean, you know, like I said, it's violent, it
can be violent, it wasn't. It wasn't too bad on
like the blood and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
So like I know, sometimes people ask about that, like
there's a lot of blood, Is it gory?
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Not really.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
There's a couple of scenes with that, but it's nothing
that there's nothing too wild, like, so don't worry about that.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
You're not gonna get.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Like jump scares and wow like the Boys style violence.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Like I was not saying that.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
There was like one like shocking scene with Tiana.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Where that's also where the whole tone of the film
didn't make sense to me, because it was like, oh,
about to get real serious, yeah, and then like later
it's like, oh.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
We're part of the Christmas Club.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, I will say, and listen, this is where you
and I were talking about, like where it comes to
where I was like, I didn't feel that it was trivializing.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Trivializing because I reached a comedy that.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Punches up in the sense of like, there is this
group of white supremacists in the film, which what they
call it the.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
The Christmas Adventures.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Christmas Adventurers Club.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Okay, we get it what that's for, right, And it's
literally just like essentially going in on the stupidity of
white supremacist KKK, all them types of groups and all
the little fucking signals that they do to each other,
all the codes and all that stuff, like, because at
the end of the day, they're trying to be they
are first.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
They steal from other cultures too.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
They are stealing from the revolutionaries themselves again, you know,
the revolutionary talking and cold for a reason doing this
And now all of a sudden, these idiots over here
they got to come up with a little slang and
lingo and right, and because they want to feel like
they belong right and in their case, you know, they
belong to a small.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Group of people who actually control shit.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
So I did like the fact that from a punch
up perspective that the movie reflected on those people like,
you know, this is a group of clowns, which is
how all those types of hate groups should be portrayed.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yep, clowns.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
So I was good with that, what else about this
film that we didn't talk about every messed that you
want to mention?
Speaker 4 (37:02):
It also around like the whole immigration aspect, and like
today's political climate. I think it did a really poor
job on creating any.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Conversation about what's happening.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
I feel like if we're gonna use that as like
a focal point, it should at least create some sort
of conversation, Like the way people are talking about this
is the greatest movie I've seen. I'm sorry your capin
like it's it's.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
A fun movie.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
I like it, but I don't think it's gonna be
talked about in ten years. And it didn't do anything
for me in terms of creating bigger conversations. So I
think people are making it bigger than what it is.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
It's a fun time, but it did not.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
The only thing I did like, which is back to
the whole focus on like showing both sides, I guess
is where they show like the instigators with the Molotov.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yes, you show how to instigators infiltrate the groups that
are trying to do good, trying to do the change that, but.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
They still did nothing to create a conversation. And like
the immigrants like essentially played no part in their own
movie aside from.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yes, yes, yes, you great points. And that's what's when
I say the conundrum of this film, Like that's like
for me because and I mean because of you as well,
but you because you were expressing as such. But for me,
like that's all I could think about. I was just like,
like the film opens with that, right with and the
(38:29):
majority of the film is all the whole film, to
various levels, is dealing about with immigration and and the
people that effect and that's all I and yes, this
is the.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Current climate we're in.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
But I was just even in respect of that, I
was thinking that like every time they showed certain scenes,
they showed immigrant.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Families trying to move around.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Try to get to safety, try like where they had
to live, where they was hiding, what they were doing,
what they were trying to do to keep together, Like
that's all I could think about, Like the what you mentioned,
like they didn't share any space for that conversation because
I understand that's not what the movie was about for Paul,
But that's all I can think about my head, like damn,
(39:14):
like do y'all see, like are y'all seeing what I'm
seeing as I was sitting there, like everybody's kicking, and
I'm like, do y'all see what I see?
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Like?
Speaker 1 (39:20):
And I don't know like whether or not like Paul's approach,
like he was just he was like, I'm kind of
like maybe for all we know, he's sitting there like, yeah,
you know, I was trying to show y'all what it
really be people be going through. And I'm just like, well,
people get that because all I heard your point was like,
oh I was I was that that movie was funny, right,
But I'm just like, did any of the other.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Parts hit you at all? Did did well?
Speaker 1 (39:43):
You remember any of that part? And I just it's
just varying degrees of success, I think when it comes
to understanding the point, because I do think there were
potentially some real true points there that just ended up
a lot of people. Not all, but a lot of
people will just miss it completely. It'll go right over
their heads. And that's a shame because there's there's so
(40:05):
much that could be taken away from this film in
that way that you describe about really opening up that conversation,
expanding conversation, but didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
That's why I wish Tiana was painted differently, like she
still could have been the crazy like sex addict and
like super empowering at the same time. Like I just
feel like she was very like one way when she
should have been like the hero of the movie.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, no, I feel you on that.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Okay, So I think we touched on all the points
with that said, what would you rate this film? You
want to give a letter grade or score between? Now,
let's you have a letter grade first, and then tell
me why. M I usually do number, but new numbers. Okay,
do one to ten, one to five, what you want.
I'm gonna say seven, seven out of ten, okay, all right,
(40:56):
And for all the reasons you mentioned, is there anything
particular that just brought it down from a perfect ten?
Because these people out there, these other quids are giving
it a perfect ten.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
I had it. Yeah when we watched, we watched it
got a ninety seven percent ratio Rotten Tomatoes.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
What what did y'all watch?
Speaker 4 (41:11):
I'm sorry, Like I said, like, I'm gonna forget about
this movie.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
I don't think this is a movie where I'm going
to be like, do you remember that Leo movie? Oh
my god, Like I'm not gonna.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Have it on my wall like this right, Okay, yeah,
it's not Oscar.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Worthy for nobody for me.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
I'm sorry, No, these people are really like when I say,
these people talk about critics like they really the greatest
movie ever, and I'm just like no.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
I'm like Sinners was the best movie of the year.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
That part, that part period, I wrote out like a
novel about Sinners.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
And I saw that, like I saw that whole four times.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
That was like a whole month of coverage, Like, yeah,
I would rate I'll use your number scale. I think
I would probably also rated the seven, like I feel
like that's that apply the issues I had while also
being true to the fact that I did think it
(42:05):
was cool, like I did think it was fun at
a lot of points. I did think shit was funny
sometimes too, But I had some also major issues, particularly
with the black women characters, and just again that overall
idea that it kind of felt like they trivialized revolution
and the fight for freedom, like and especially in how
(42:27):
Shit Is Today.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
I was like, right now today, I was just like.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
That Shit's not funny to me, Like niggas are dying
so for this, So whatever that said, I appreciate you
being on For All Nerds, Nadia. Thank you so much
for sharing your thoughts about one battle after another. Please
let the people know where they could find you and
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Speaker 4 (42:49):
Yeah, so you guys can find me at gotthham geek
Girl and old channels, my YouTube channels gotam geek Girl.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
I do a lot of interviews with past and sorry.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
My video reviews are on my YouTube. My written reviews
are on my website or on other websites. You could
find that on my Rotten Tomatoes or my mookrack and
yeah mostly got Giggirl on Instagram, on.
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