The SnyderVerse Is Over!?! (Superman Spoiler Free Review!!!)

 Is the 2025 version of Superman the best one ever? Well let's not get carried away just yet, but... well you're going to have to listen to find out if James Gunn has erased the memory of the Snyderverse from our collective minds. Is David Corenswet ready to take his place amongst the greats? Is Mister Terrific the Gift? Or The Curse? Your hosts @DJBenHaMeen and @TatianaKing return with special guests @BlackGayComicGeek & @GothamGeekGirl to break down everything about the movie in a completely SPOILER FREE zone. We know you haven't seen it, and we want you to be just as suprised when [REDACTED] shows up... so go ahead and press play and enjoy!


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are now watching Four All Nerds and on this
episode re review Superman twenty twenty five no spoilers, and
we are joined by special guests Black a comic geek
and Gotham.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Geek girl.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
And what's up, y'all, and welcome back to another episode
of the four All Nerds Show. It's your boy, DJ
Ben I Mean aka Captain Cole Brew aka Wally Beside
aka Bripto aka the ultrachine Man here in the Spaceship tonight,
and it's always.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm Wally Westside. I haven't heard that one a long.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
Time about Bripto though, come on pick up Bripto.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
No niggy.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
Ultrachine Man.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Anyway, I am here in the Spaceship, joined.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
By Tatiana King, the Grand Duchess of Tech also known
as Gucci Mane, the Lauriate Lambo cow Rizian Flex Luthor
Corilla Rod, and the Lord of Light Sabers.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
There we go, There we go, and we have two
very special guests joining us tonight. First that we have
Michael aka the Black gay comic geek.

Speaker 5 (01:16):
Say, I forgot, I forgot to do that, my akas
I forgot.

Speaker 6 (01:20):
I was like dang, I was like wait aka Gates one, dude.

Speaker 7 (01:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
Great job, that's the first.

Speaker 6 (01:31):
That's what I got in my head.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
Right now, there we go. That's all we need.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
And we also have Dotdia Martinez. Please introduce yourself to
the fan.

Speaker 8 (01:40):
Fare geek girl here.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, all right and everyone, we are
here to talk about a little movie.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
You know, it's dropping I think this Friday.

Speaker 8 (01:53):
That's correct, the eleventh US.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Yes, yes, the eleventh in the US.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Little movie you might have heard about from a comic
book company. You know, some people might have read a
few of these comics one time or another. Superman dropping Friday,
July eleventh. All of us have got to see it.
We will be discussing it. This is a no spoiler zone, though,
you don't have to worry about anything being spoiled, where
I could talk about any major plot details, nothing you

(02:20):
haven't seen or heard about. And you know, we're just
gonna talk to some themes, how we felt about it,
all that good stuff.

Speaker 6 (02:25):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, So where do you want to start?

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Then let's let our guests start off. You know what
I mean? Okay, yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
Would he talk to you, but I'm like really curious
because your face has been just like, I'm not I'm
trying to get something from you, but I'm like, does
she like it?

Speaker 6 (02:42):
Does she hate it?

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Like I'm curious, I'll never tell, I'll tell later. But well,
you know, let's get some overall sentiments, right, So, since
since you were talking my goal, let's ask you first
overall before you going any deep detail, just what did
you think about film?

Speaker 8 (03:00):
Overall?

Speaker 5 (03:01):
I had fun, I liked the movie.

Speaker 6 (03:04):
I didn't love the movie, but I liked the movie.
I definitely feel like.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
For the longest time, especially since we lived with the
Snyder verses, like the first time, we're getting like a
Superman movie that's really really for.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
Kids, and.

Speaker 5 (03:22):
This version of Superman really leans into like the Silver
age wackiness of Superman. Like you think about Superman back
in the day, Like my dude was shooting freaking rainbows
out his fingers and many versions of himself.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
I don't talk to him about this last week. She
didn't know about the mini versions coming out of his hand.

Speaker 5 (03:39):
Many versions coming out of his hands, like this up
and down Superman came out Like Superman has always been
a weird, wacky character and even to the point that
he has a fucking super Dog. So like, I feel
like this movie is like really leaning into especially like
with James Gunn, Like, so this movie is really leaning

(03:59):
this that comic book wackiness. And even like the color
grading is much more bright and vibrant as opposed to
the Zack Snyder greywash filter.

Speaker 6 (04:08):
And so I think because of that, like it made me.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
Feel more hopeful, like Superman got to be a hero
again compared to like the Zack Snyder Superman movie.

Speaker 6 (04:19):
So like, I enjoyed it. It was fun.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
Okay, I think the characters of what I liked more
so than like the crafting of the script. Okay, well,
I think the characters are what really made me interested
in the movie.

Speaker 6 (04:33):
Like, I think they were really strong.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Okay, Okay, strong character work. Okay, Nadio, what do you think? Overall?

Speaker 7 (04:39):
I think it did a complete one eighty from Man
of Steel and it's it's very lighthearted, it's warm, it's wholesome.
I will say I did not love this movie. I
don't think it's a masterpiece. It's not an Olan, it's
not a summary me. It's entertaining. It's a happy, go
lucky superhero film. It's fun, but it's very gun coded,

(05:00):
and it's a little bit too much on the campy
end for me, where there's no repercussions and a lot
of things that should have mattered didn't really matter.

Speaker 8 (05:09):
And I'll get more into that later. You said gun coded,
gun coded.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Gun coded, James, gun coded?

Speaker 4 (05:16):
Oh okay, I thought, you mean I know.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
What she means.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
I was like, Wow, I didn't. I didn't get that.
I missed that. I mean, you know, everything's always military encoded.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
But Ben, you were rare.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
You actually got to see it twice upon your second view,
And what did you think?

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Overall?

Speaker 3 (05:32):
I enjoyed it much more the second time. I'll say
that I'm glad I got to see it twice because
the first time I saw it. While I enjoyed it
the first time, I think, uh, the James done this
of it all really was my big problem with it.
I felt the same way when I was watching Guardians
of the Galaxy three. Even though I really love Guardians
of the Galaxy three, there's moments in it where I'm

(05:53):
just like, all right, James, you've done this trick before
I get it. You're gonna play musical moteagion. People are
going to dance around and some cgi is going to
happen and there will be some matching and Okay, cool,
let's move on to something else. And in Guardians that
was the character work, and then again in Superman, I
feel like the character work, like Michael said, is the

(06:14):
strongest part of it. I would just love to see
all of these characters in another movie. It's what it
really boiled down to.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
For me.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
I did really enjoy, like Michael said, even compared to
a Marvel film, the brightness of this movie is amazing.
It is really visually bright, colorful. Superman looks great. We'll
get more into each the individual with Michael Korns. Michael

(06:44):
Korn said. David Kren said, he said, shit alive.

Speaker 6 (06:51):
Mmm. And if he.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
Proposes to me like I'm hoping for, then Michael.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Look, I went and turn it down so that yeah,
you know, like I immediately put him in with All
the Great Superman.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
And I reread All Star Superman.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Right before this because Gun had said that it was
a big influence on him, and the first time I
really was a feeling that, but the second time I
really was. It is that All Star at Silver Age.
I love the relationships. I love Lois and Clark super
all this type of stuff. I loved all that everything
going on. Overall, liked it a lot.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
It just gun is.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, I'll start where you left off, gun Be making choices.
I have notes my overall, I am deeply on the
fence about this film.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
I'm not sure whether I liked it.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
Yeah, I believe I'm not.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
I don't hate it. It's not a thor. It's not
a thor for so we'll get that out the way.
But I'm this film to me read like All Star Superman,
cross with Superman one, two and three, cross with.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
And four.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Well for me, one two and three, that's that's what
I see. And Guardians of the Galaxy, and I think
that's too potentially to its detriment.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
I think that's.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Great for people who have the full history of Superman
and want to see all of the like literally, he
threw all of that shit in there, I mean everything
you could have thought all the You made a great point, Michael,
which is one of my main both the lights and
concerns about this film.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
It is so goofy, it is so wacky. It is
so what are you doing right now? Like what LSD
was you on when you.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Made this choice at the same time, there are so
many fun components to it, and as mentioned, we'll get
to all.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Of that stuff. But my overall takeaway was I don't know.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
I don't know how I felt about this. For I
was very much As I was sitting there, I was
kind of going like I was just I was, I was,
I was, Uh, I'm conflicted.

Speaker 7 (09:24):
I feel like there are moments like that me and
Ben looked over at each other and we were laughing
and things like that shouldn't have been funny, like they
were like a kid.

Speaker 8 (09:32):
The kid was going Superman Superman here like Superman. I
was like, what, I can't deal with this. I kept
checking my family like is this almost sober?

Speaker 7 (09:43):
Like? I also didn't hate it, but there were just
some moments where I was like, this is too much.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
Please just seemed like I appreciate, like even the kid
doing that because it's going to show. Like one of
my biggest complaints about like Man is steel and the
Snyder burst was like that nobody gave a fuck about Superman,
Like Superman wasn't the hope and icon and superhero that
he's supposed to be like even and that's the thing
I liked about the Corn Sweart Superman, like it looks

(10:08):
like he enjoys being Superman.

Speaker 6 (10:10):
Yes, he even smiles.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
He knows the cab driver. He knows the cab driver's name.
People are trying to help him. When he's on the ground,
he's picking up little kids, and little kids are running
up to him, and even little kids are like at
like saying, Superman, come protect us. People are yelling Superman
across the country like he's supposed to be the hero
of the globe, truth, justice, and a better tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (10:32):
And we never got that for the longest time. For
the Zach Steys so.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Too though, like, well, you know.

Speaker 6 (10:43):
True, but he still was a hero.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
He was wrong, very much a hero.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
And I'm gonna actually go the piggyback off Fat Michael,
because that is one of the strengths of this film.
I felt like they did a big return to the
heart and soul of classics super which is this is
the hero. This is the one that famous panel you
showed me Ben about when he's holding that kid at
the edge, like the kid wants to jump off the
edge of the building something like that, and like that

(11:10):
singular point of hope, that single point of faith, like
they brought that back. They brought off the levity back
to Superman. Like you said, it really good, Nadia, A
complete one eighty to what we've seen about the dreary.
I don't smile. I'm not fucking with y'all type Superman, right,
cause that's kind.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Of where you get off.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Even though I love having a Superman, I still love
him as Superman.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
But I get and I get it right.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
And I would say that been similar to what you
said earlier about this being a beautiful kind of legacy
to the classic Superman. This was David Horns that killed
that liked. He did an amazing job. And I saw
the legacy of Christopher Reeves. I saw the legacy of
his predecessors.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
I saw the.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Love and the determination to bring a character that is
supposed to evoke love, and it's supposed to evoke the
aspect of I love you even when you don't love.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Me, right, because you don't love yourself even when you don't.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Love yourself type shit.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Right.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
And also the fact that it's very beautifully stated, Michael,
it's global, right, It's not just even though he is
used for propaganda, you know, opportunities many times throughout his throughout.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
His Superman's career, if you will.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
At the end of the day, he's supposed to be
a global symbol, a symbol of humanity, and they made
it very clear in this film, and that's what he is,
you know, whether it was very on the nose or
very much you know, implied. It was just like, no,
I am here for the human race. I am here
to protect, to serve and to love you. I'm Jesus
so like him more and I like and that's what

(12:42):
I'm saying, Superman, Superman.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
I loved him.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
And yeah, I think.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
Once you go into the movie, because it's not something
that you know expecting it because also we're so used
to like the Snider verse even.

Speaker 6 (12:55):
Like the MCU and the Marvel movies and things like that.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
But once you go into this movie knowing, like I
feel like James Gunn really made this movie. He didn't
make it for us for kids.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
He made it. Oh perfectly stated.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
I there was so many things that was kind of slapstick.
Dialogue was kind of weird. I'm just like, you know,
who's this for exactly? So they they did age it down.
They aged down, they aged it down and said, hey,
we're gonna sell a lot of t shirts. We're gonna
sell a lot of figurines for toys.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
We got to get into Crypto Lady Jesus Christ.

Speaker 6 (13:31):
Okay, wait a minute, I gotta it's not the movie
version of crymto Differ.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
I like that one.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
But that was cute.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
So but James did again, he did Would you say Gunnafi?

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Is that what you said?

Speaker 4 (13:46):
No?

Speaker 6 (13:46):
You heed?

Speaker 1 (13:49):
He gunnified Superman And yes, DC is his baby now anyway,
the DC Universe what the DC Cinematic Universe, whatever it's called.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Now, yes, that's his child now.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
But it's like super Gonna like there were so many
aspect of the Guardians of the Galaxy.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
I was just like, James, we over here, now, can
we can we.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
You know, I understand that's maybe a little DNA, but
could we tone it down a bit? And it just
got more and more wacky, and I was like, so,
I was just like, this isn't for me, and maybe
that's why I'm so so on the fence about it.
I was just like, oh, it wasn't if you come
in there with just wanting to just have a fun
different Superman.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Have you been seeing for the last ten years, fifteen years?
This is it for you?

Speaker 7 (14:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
I think if you come in there with the eyes
of a child for real, you will have the time
of your life. And I think children are going to
have the time of their life in this. Because I
was thinking about it earlier today, I was say, Yo,
if I've never seen one of these Guardians of the
Galaxy movies, I'm like, Yo, this is fantastic. This is
one of the greatest things I've ever seen. But because
I've seen three Guardians of the Galaxy movies, I'm like, oh,

(14:51):
come on, James, But you know, eight nine, ten year
old ain't gonna do nothing about that, or even if
you as seen him, he's not a bit about the
comparison where he's gonna think about he or she they
are gonna make that.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
No, they're just gonna.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Absolutely not and they're not going to think about Like
we're talking about the ramifications of what happens in this film.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
There are no consequences.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Consequence, and there's literally scenes where things are happening, and
there's things that happening.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
A lot of massive you know, superhero action, and the
structure happens and yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
There, it's just there.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
It's taken as I feel like a Dit Tracy type
version of this, you know, or like, but did Tracy
is inspired or Superman is inspired by those Dit Tracy
So I think it just is that sixties, seventies, even
the eighties Superman. It feels very much in the vein
of them. But it doesn't feel like Superman returns where
it feels like they're just trying to continue those versions.

(15:53):
This feels like, now this is a very twenty twenty
five version of the eighties Superman.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
This is a this is a gunnafied mythology of Superman.

Speaker 5 (16:05):
Yeah, because I will say, I'm mean going like to
the consequences, there are definitely are things that happened in
the movie that should have had way more ramifications.

Speaker 8 (16:14):
Yeah, that was my main issue.

Speaker 7 (16:15):
I'm like, thousands of people should have been dead and
no one, no one.

Speaker 6 (16:20):
I'm not even talking about just that, but I'm like
the no no spoilers.

Speaker 5 (16:24):
But there's a moment in another in a place that
happens with us with a person, a brown person. There's
another there's a hawk girl does something that I feel
like should have some huge ramifications.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Everything everything green Lantern, hawt girl and uh.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
Like at that point people should have you should have
gone the war.

Speaker 6 (16:46):
Yeah, yeah, but what Hawk girl did.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
I'm like Amanda with somebody, like yo, Amanda Wall like
get these mother, Like I just maybe show update.

Speaker 7 (16:55):
He didn't know what he wanted it to be rated
because it's PEG thirteen, like so is Iron Man. But
at the at the same time, it's like some of
the things we don't want to get into because the spoilers.
It's annoying that it was not addressed. So if you're
gonna if you're gonna curse, or if you're gonna have
a moment, like, at least make things make sense, like

(17:17):
we just said, like there's no ramifications and what was
the part that, Oh, so basically everyone knows the whole
immigrant theme.

Speaker 8 (17:28):
Yeah, alien immigrant original.

Speaker 6 (17:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (17:33):
I do love that he touched on that because let
all these insults go cry in a basement. But the
only thing I'm upset about is that if you're gonna
touch on themes of oppression, I'm not saying you have
to show people in pain, but you have to address
that it's happening. And I think it did a terrible
job in addressing I guess we'll call it the Palestinian
side of whatever. He's trying to relay the message. He

(17:58):
didn't show any form of a pressure, and he didn't
really show any any negative if that makes sense, Like
he didn't really show the danger.

Speaker 8 (18:06):
There's no danger in this movie.

Speaker 7 (18:07):
But thenied, Yeah, if you're gonna touch on things like this,
you cannot at least address it like Guardians of the
Galaxy three. I think that was our but it's still
had a balance of humor. But so it Yeah, same
thing it could have. It could have addressed some real
life like issues and not just skip around it and

(18:28):
like have people jumping around singing happily like and just
forgetting what just happened five seconds ago.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
I think it was.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
I know for me anyway, there was a vast difference
between what I expected and what I got in terms
of tone, And I think that's also part of it.
Like at the end of the day, his tone is
not to address any of that stuff, you know, to
our detriment as critics, but to the delight of people
who just want to go in there and just be like, oh,
something happened on screen or everything so bright, that's what

(18:58):
he said. He his tone was, I'm going to make
this accessible for anybody regardless of your level of information
about Superman, regardless of level of critique, Like he just said,
I feel he just said, what is the lowest common denominy?

Speaker 2 (19:11):
I can get everybody in the door, And this is
what we ended up with.

Speaker 5 (19:14):
But for me, though, like even though maybe he could
have dived and delved more into the politics of everything
that was going on, like Bravia and things like that,
Like and it's no spoilers because I was in the trailer.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah, that's like.

Speaker 5 (19:30):
I still appreciate that it was even addressed in the movie. Yeah,
and that brought up, and that this movie was even
as political as it was.

Speaker 6 (19:39):
Yeah, it might have been surface level, but it was
still more.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
Political than damn there any Superman movie that's ever existed.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
I agree with that.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
So I at least appreciate that because Superman when he
was first created, his very first issue in nineteen thirty eight,
he was labeled the champion of the press. He was
fight before he was fighting dark Side, before he was
fighting Mongol, Mentalo, Brainiac and all this other stuff. He
was fighting slum lords and billionaires.

Speaker 6 (20:03):
This is right, helping people get affordable.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
Housing and so showing just a modicum of that in
this movie, because a lot of times when we think
of Superman, we always think about the grandiose super battles,
and while there was that in this movie, we still
got to see him help out the little man. Yeah,
that he saves a squirrel, which.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Again, goofy or what? But you know, I'm like, okay, fine,
I get it.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
They're trying to say that he cares for the smallest
creature to the largest whatever.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
I think again, just about understanding what the intended tone was,
is really gonna gonna That's where your knowledge are gonna vary.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
If you come in here having any sense of Snyder verse,
you're gonna be lost.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
You're gonna be completely lost, completely on the wrong end
of the spectrum. This is the opposite.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Go ahead, Ben, what you want.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
To say, No, no, keep going. I was just laughing
at the idea of it being anything like this.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Not no, this is this is completely different, And.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
You know what, I'm sorry, I'm just like still trying
to come to terms Almos, whether I like this or not.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
All right, let me say something that on the politics,
because we mentioned Palestine, and yeah, I think it's very.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
Gunn does what he needs to do with that.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Where the Bravia, right, that's the name of the.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Fake country, Brown country X.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
It could represent any country.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
It could be palestein, it could be Serbia, it could
be here, it could be there.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
It could be anything.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
And that's why I think he did it that way,
where whoever wants to attach whatever a press country they
want to it, they can attach to it.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
So that way he's free and clear of any real issues,
even though he's touching a lot of issues for it
right now.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
And I will agree that this is the most political
film Superman film, but not really because the Man of
Steel are very political.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Man of Steel.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
They just expreads a different politics than what we really
agree with.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
They really make a very much a I think he's
very inspired by ann Ran and determinism, and it's very
much about that. Superman is very much y'all. I don't
give fuck about nobody, but yeah, myself, I can't even smile.
Y'all are worthless, you know, pull yourselves up by your bootstraps,
is that Superman. And so that's a very much different

(22:28):
politic than this, which is a very much worldly I love.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Everyone, I trust everyone.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Like I said, yeah, which was great, and I think
all that is really intrinsic to Superman, and one of
the reasons I love them because, like I say, it
goes back to that All Star Superman, which is one
of my favorite versions.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
Or what do You or whatever Happened to the Man of.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Tomorrow is one of my favorite versions of Superman, the
ones that heart back to that classic silver age but
keep a modern tone. But like you said, tat down
and that panel, that page and All Star Superman. A
young girl is about to unlive herself at the edge
of a building, and Superman overhears her conversation with her therapist,

(23:10):
and her therapist is trying to get to her because
he knows what's going on with her, and he hears it,
you know, because of his superhero He's hearing all these
different conversations. He's in the medal of battling this giant
robot when he hears his first bit of this conversation,
finishes off the robot and it flies over lands behind
the girl and tells her that you're stronger than you
think you are, and that shit just you know, fuck

(23:32):
with me so much. It is like one of the
most powerful pages in you know, the history of combaboots
to me, and it just encapsulates what made Superman so
great is that he believes in humanity more than he
even believes in himself, and that I think this film
really does get that and that that's the kind of
shit that does make me want to, you know, bring
me to tears because it does.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
That's that Superman shit that I love.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah, And while the film is mostly surface level, there
are points where it does die into him, Like there's
a constant interrogation of Superman and his character.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Why are you like this? You know by everyone around him?
Why do you care? Why you like this?

Speaker 6 (24:08):
Why?

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Why are you giving them a chance? You know? Why
do you care? Why do you trust these people?

Speaker 8 (24:13):
Like?

Speaker 1 (24:13):
It's constant, and he is very consistent throughout it because
what else is there buts you love? What else is
there buts you care? And protecting all this other stuff.
So I will say that in terms of consistency, this
is very strong, and it's something that had been missing
in the dc EU at the time, like just consistency
about what a character was besides dark and dreary, right

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about who they.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Were at their core.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
I think this, this, this tries to be as consistent
and I guess deeply connected to legacy as possible.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
And because of everything that you're saying, tatiata and going
back to what you said, Wally west Side. Uh, but
like that's kind of why I disagree with them. Like
when you guys are like Man of Stille was very political,
It's like, yes, it was, but it also wasn't because
there was ever it was not even just surface level.
But like the difference with that with like the Man
of Steel politics and the James Gunn Superman politics is

(25:11):
at least with Superman, we got Superman's perspective.

Speaker 6 (25:15):
There was never a moment.

Speaker 5 (25:17):
Where Snyder's Superman explained why he does what he does,
why he even wants to be Superman. I felt like
the perfect moment and scene would have been that court scene,
like let him, let him speak his peace.

Speaker 6 (25:29):
And then have that explosion happen.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
But we never got really got to hear any of
his internal thoughts, even to the point that, like Martha Kent,
she was like, you don't need to be Superman, like
you don't owe this world nothing, No, And.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
I hated that. That's like Martha would not say that
and that, But that's my point. It's not that it
doesn't have politics. It's that like, That's the thing people
often misconstrue and mis use is they're like, oh, this
film is political, and every film is political. It's just
most of them agree with what those people who are

(26:03):
mad about want to hear. Superman the Man of Steel
series agrees. It's a very right right wing position. Even Superman.
I don't don't give a fuck about humanity. I don't
care about nobody else. Martha, you don't owe no one anything.
You know, you don't smile, you don't do anything for
anyone else. Pull yourselves up humanity. Y'all all do this

(26:25):
when they when they ask him, what does it even
like about Earth? And He's like, you know, that's what
I'm saying. So it is, it's like most films are.
All films are political, All artists political. It's just what
side of it expresses and most often expresses a side
that is in tune with keeping the status quote. That's
why I say those films are very political because they're

(26:47):
you know, very much a conservative, you know, lead film,
which is you know, as far as I know that's
that Snyder, I don't really.

Speaker 8 (26:55):
See it like that. I see it more as injustice
like God's among us.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Like I find in justice be the same thing I
find in justice be a lot of like it takes
a way that essence thaties of what these characters are.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
It's like it's cheap thrills.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
To me, it's like injustice you're talking about.

Speaker 8 (27:17):
All the time.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
It doesn't have to be all the time. But like, okay,
like a good version of that is like red Son.
To me, red Son, it shows Superman as you know,
what happens when he's raised in a system that's not
a loving couple, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
But at the end of it, he's still Superman. You know,
you can't take that out.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Of him, and this man will always be the one
who believes in humanity.

Speaker 6 (27:39):
You know.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
I think when you take that away from him, it
just like make another character.

Speaker 8 (27:45):
And he snap's neck. That was his wake up call?

Speaker 6 (27:48):
No, see that?

Speaker 4 (27:49):
Okay, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
I don't think man is still the snapping of the
neck is the problem of a man of steel. People
always go to the snapping in the neck. He had
to snap that dude's neck, that's you know, etcetera, et cetera.
But he didn't have to go was kissed Lowest Lane
and the ashes of millions of people after that, that's
where it becomes like a choice, don't ship that.

Speaker 5 (28:07):
But then what he didn't have to do is remember
that scene when Lois Lane was in the shower and
seeing they had gotten the shower with his muddy ass.

Speaker 8 (28:14):
Boots like, nah.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
Get the fuck out my like, get the fuck out
of my house, Like what are you doing? At least
take your clothes, like he just came out the house
like he washing. He came in the boots with the
muddy ass boots, Like come on, now, let's let's talk
us hashtag not my Superman.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yoh my god, Let's talk about the characters, because everyone
did make a comment about the character work being strong
or the other characters being great, and Benny even says,
I want to bring that back. He said, Oh, I
would love to see the characters in a different movie
kind of.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
I really loved this movie. The more I think about it, I.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Love the characters in another movie too. But who who
stood out the most to y'all? Anybody could just.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Go Lois and Clark and Superman love.

Speaker 6 (28:59):
Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
I love that char like Bear chemistry. Okay, I did
like Lex.

Speaker 6 (29:05):
Lex also mister Terrific I like, I would like to
see I would like to see more of him, though,
but I like I I agree, I agree with that.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
I'll get to that later, but I still would like
to see more of his character. There are things I
had a problem with, but I would like to just
have mister Terrific become more of a household name.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yes, I love mister Terrific and for for for many
valuable reasons.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
But I want to circle back really quick, back to Nadia.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
You said Lex right as the resident Lex flag bearer
in this outfit.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
I would love to know why you fucked with Lex.

Speaker 7 (29:45):
All right, So, I think Lois was honestly one of
the strongest characters, and I loved Lex. I did have
issues with him, I will say I think he was
under utilized. At the same time, I think he had
amazing screen presence. He saved the movie to me. I
thought he was iconic and relentless. He showed like a

(30:07):
real threat and his real like hate and like weird
obsession of Superman. My only issue is he came off
kind of trumpish again, Like I feel like that that's
been done it's kind of played down cliche, like he's
whining and crying like it. It was kind of getting
a little annoying. But he was also inspired by Michael Rosenbaum,

(30:31):
Lex Luthor in Smallville and like Steve Jobs, and I
feel like he kind of did like a little bit
of All Star Superman and like a whole bunch of
different things. Brian Azarella, I believe, was also an influence
of him, and I just think that Trump satire was
a little too much for me. But aside from that,
I want to see more of him as a villain,
Like I think he's a great villain, like the the

(30:55):
the actor, I think if we get a better story,
because essentially my whole point of the movie. Issue with
this movie in general is the script is absolutely terrible.
The dialogue is horrendous. Every single character's dialogue is horrendous.
So aside from that, if you take that away, I
think the casting is phenomenal and I think he did
a good portrayal if he had a better script and

(31:16):
wasn't crying every five seconds.

Speaker 5 (31:17):
See, I didn't get the Trump aspect from his version
of the Cat, because I would say this is one
of the smartest version.

Speaker 6 (31:24):
He's smart, tactical Lex.

Speaker 5 (31:27):
Lutha versions that we saw and we know that this
president is not smart, but.

Speaker 8 (31:32):
Win, I like crying attitude.

Speaker 5 (31:38):
I appreciate the like the tactical element of Lex Luthor,
and then also like.

Speaker 6 (31:45):
I'm gonna say this is why I am but like.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
After watching this movie, I was like, you cannot tell
me that Lex Luthor, after like the obsession and I hatred, Like,
I was like, you cannot tell me that Lex Luthor
is not a repressed gay man so in love with
Clark Kent that well, he doesn't know Clark Kent is,
but so in love with Superman that he can't handle
it about he can't deal with it about himself. And

(32:12):
that's where that level of hatred is coming from. Because
he doesn't have that level of hatred for anybody. It's
specifically Superman. And it's like, in my mind it makes sense,
And obviously I know it's not literally what it is,
but I'm like, if if you find out that he's
like a repressed gay person and he's secretly in love
with this man, it would just make so much sense.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Like the level I mean, even just on a hate perspective,
like it's usually the people that hate the most actually
love that other person sometimes sometimes like they.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
Talk about the studies of like all the most homophobic
men are secretly watching jerking off the gay porn.

Speaker 6 (32:47):
Like, I'm like, that's Lex Luthor.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
I wouldn't know. That's never been done in the comics. Right,
they never did that. Take No, they never did that.
That's what I was like, I know it's not gonna happen.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
They did a version of that image called Irredeemable.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Well, here's my thing.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
I'm typically like I said, I mentioned that the flat
the Lex Luthor fliber I'm also the typical like Lex
Luthor sympathizer as well, and this.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Is from years of seeing all the different iterations to him.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
I will say that Nicholas Hope did that with the
material he was given. He ate with what he was
told to work with. I think he did a phenomenal
job in that way. I don't know if I really
like this depiction of Lex Luthor. And again nothing about
Nicholas as an actor. His acting was superb.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
He did what he needed to do.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
He had presence, I will say that, much better than
Jesse Eisenberg and the rest of the holes back there,
which which really to me like selling the name of
Lex Luthor.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
So he made, he gave, He gave.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
The formidableness, he gave the presence all of that. At
the same time the material. When I say the material,
I'm talking about the scripts, right, I'm talking about the
dialogue and all that stuff. I agree with you, it's
it took him to a place where it to me,
it gave evil Jeff Bezos even more even idios and
it just gets it just gave I'm a billionaire that

(34:12):
wants to do whatever I want.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
It didn't give for me again, just someone.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Who is really down with Lex, like why his true
reasons for hate It's just like, oh, I'm hating because
I just don't like that nigga, like y'all. Like it
gave pure jealousy. And it's not to say that Lex
has never been jealous of soups. Yes, obviously he wouldn't
do half the shit he David was jealous. But it's
at least from like the animated series that was like
back on the w B back in the day, they gave.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
More death and even the comments.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
They gave more depth to why Lex really did not
fuck with him, and it wasn't just oh, because I
don't like this nigga's hair curls to the left.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
It wasn't that it was it was it.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Was more like from a political factor, like he was
like intrinsically opposed to the idea that this person from
another play, this thing as he calls it, from another planet,
could come down and enjoy the rights and privile of
us on Earth who are suffering or other people who
are suffering for a multitude of reasons.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
And it goes even deeper than that. But that is
really the crux.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Of what for me, what Lex is concerned to say
it lightly was for Superman. It wasn't just because I
was jealous, so seeing Lex seeing this Lex and I
don't like that niggas just because you know, I hate
to hate.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Like I was just like.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
As a as a counterpoint to that, I think, and
like I said, because I did see it twice, when
you look at it through the eyes of like we
said before, a child like Lens, I think they really
do get both of those across one that the jealousy
is clearly there, but it is also stated that he
has a problem with Superman being an alien who looks

(35:44):
like human and represents this god like being on earth.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
That is it's.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Stated, but again, because it's this is a child approach,
they're not going into it like it's stated.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
But then from what you see in his actions, it's whining,
it's crying.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
And that's why I'm like, damn, Like you know, y'all
took it back down to the levels I don't like again,
like y'all didn't keep him up here where he was.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
No, that's the problem with this film is that it
does do pretty much everything, and then even things that
are very adult are treated very childlike. And that was
one That's the one thing I have. You know, I'm
one of those people who feels like kids should be
able to see certain things. And I grew up on
a lot more violent things that I probably should have,

(36:25):
and this has nothing on the type of things that I.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
Grew up on, So I don't mind that.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
But there are violence, there is sex mentions, and there's
a lot of percy. So just to be aware of
that if you are a parent taking it right, yeah,
definitely has to be.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
I want to make sure we give again, just continue
to talk about these characters.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
I want to shout out of Rachel Brosnahan.

Speaker 8 (36:51):
One time, I'm my other favorite.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Their connection was very like, it gave me classic Lois
again the Superman one two three, it gave me class
I said, Lois and Superman like yeah, or Clark rather,
but it was like I felt them.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
I felt what they were doing again. I liked. That's
what I was very hype for this film.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Let me say that first, just from the trailers when
they have that conversation, the interaction when she's interviewing him
and he like gets pissed off and she's like, well,
this is what they're gonna fucking ask you. That's that
reads real to me, Like Lois and Clark in relationship
right now, sitting on the couch and they're talking and
she's just like she is who she is, she's a reporter,
she's she's ask questions.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
She even said as much.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
She asked what She's going to investigate everything, and he's
just gonna take shit at face value, right, and then
it's just like bruh, you can't do that. He's gonna
look at her like, well you need to care more, right,
you need to trust more. And seeing that dynamic, it's
it's real, right. Edie his name is Edie or Eddie,
but Eddie Eddieki. I really want to see him in

(37:52):
more stuff. I loved him as it's terrific. I understand
what you mean about like maybe one dimensional naughty, but
I just think that's because didn't give a lot of
time with him. And also that's kind of where he
that's how they've been, that's how Gun or whomever is
responsible for this really wrote the character like I'm not
And to me, it was like that that straight face,

(38:13):
you know, the foil till all the slacks did going on.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
You needed that foil somewhere, and he was the foil.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, and I fucked with it, and I just liked
a black man that was just like y'all holds out
of control, let me do something that's actually going to
make the effective and let me like to me, like
ship had, the ship would get done and missus terrific
didn't pop out.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
No.

Speaker 5 (38:33):
Yeah, And he was really the only one that doesn't
have powers like hawk Guns has a ring o grat,
he has technology, but he's just a dude.

Speaker 6 (38:42):
But he's just a dude.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
But he's a dude.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
He's just like, while y'all playing around, I'm getting shit done,
and I like that.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
But he wasn't without humanity.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
He wasn't without like, you know, a giggle here and there,
which is why I'm like, I would love to see
him in more in another situation.

Speaker 6 (38:56):
And he got his moment to shine. One thing I
don't like.

Speaker 5 (39:01):
I didn't necessarily like about the depiction of mister terrific.

Speaker 8 (39:04):
And I said this to the black supportation, how do you.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
But like it was giving like whether it was a
direction that James Gun gave or like Eddie Gettai's interpreted,
But it felt like he's like, let me blacken this
up a little bit. Like he definitely talked like like
he was trying in a black exploitation cheft movie. At

(39:29):
a certain point, I was expecting him to say job turkey.

Speaker 6 (39:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
I mean they gave him the wig, they gave him
the afro.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
So it was given a little black dynamite, I will
say that.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
And it's very interesting because I was reading an article
where he almost didn't want to do the role because
he thought that the mask presemble black face and I
had to convince him that it wasn't and etcetera, etcetera.
You know, and how intelligent mister terrific is and all
these things, but that I don't have a.

Speaker 6 (39:59):
Problem with the tea. No, it's just like the boy.
Yeah everything.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
I thought it was great, Like YA said, I thought
he had his great moment to shine. I feel like
he is one of the big stars of this film.
On the low, I feel like a superman lowesst and
then mister Terrific as far as order of how people
are going to react to characters in this film.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
And then there's.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
That the second time I watched it, I could not
stop thinking about r DJ and Troupic Thunder.

Speaker 8 (40:29):
That's all true.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
The voice was and it's give me the black dude.
But you know, having seen him and that we know
he doesn't talk like all. This voice isn't his.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
It's like when you saw most when I saw Most
Death in it's a twenty one miles. There's this movie
he's in where Most Stuff does this crazy voice throughout
the film, and I'm like, I know you don't sound
like this Most Death.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
I don't know why you're doing that.

Speaker 8 (41:01):
Part of the whole.

Speaker 7 (41:02):
Like, yeah, when comic accurate sometimes doesn't translate like it's
twenty twenty five. They didn't have to do Guy Gardner's hair.
They didn't have to do mister Terrific's hair. They didn't
have to do their costumes. I mean, if we're going to.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Kid, let's talk about him. Did you guys like Green Lantern,
Discreen Lantern, Nate.

Speaker 6 (41:19):
I love ye, like Nathan Filly.

Speaker 8 (41:24):
Yeah, Justice Gang was underutilized.

Speaker 7 (41:28):
Mister Terrific had a point, he had a purpose, but
I feel like having hawk Girl was pointless.

Speaker 8 (41:32):
In the movie, she was Dina. She was literally just Dina.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
What was with her hollering and who every time she
was like the scream, I'm like, that's not a battle cry.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yeah, but I've watched enough just.

Speaker 8 (41:48):
Yelled in the movie she could call.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Like that, Like that was new to me. I was like,
whoa like that? It's just like she wasn't doing much,
like especially when her little fight scenes the bit of a.
I mean, she was like a magic carp She was
very ineffective in everything that she did in.

Speaker 6 (42:03):
A magic carp he was.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
And I was just like, this is weird because I'm
used to Hawkeye hawk.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Man being effective, So I was just like, what's going on?
And also like even though they they did away with
that the what's his name? That it was previously hawked
Man that he only got that five for Alice Hawkman,
Alvis Hodge. They gave him a chance to actually do
some real shit and be effective, and then they jumped
to this and I'm like.

Speaker 8 (42:28):
I think that's back the whole guns.

Speaker 7 (42:29):
I need a team, like he had to establish a
team instead of letting Clark have his own movie.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
I don't know, bro, I still think it was I
still think it was Superman's movie despite the fact that
he had they had all these other characters, it was.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Still Superman's movie. I agree to that.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
They said still did a good job in centering who
the main guy was and these are supporting.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
And yeah, while these other characters were underutilized, I think
the effectiveness of having them is to show that it's
a world, like we're not even in the fact that
like they mentioned like but.

Speaker 7 (43:03):
It's that whole hypocriticalness because people are like, oh, Snyder
had this senate and this senate, and it's like, it's
world building.

Speaker 8 (43:09):
It can happen.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
It's world But and I will say, I actually like
that about this film that they made a sho and
which is what a big situation issue I have with
MCU stuff is that they don't show that it's a
full world where everything is happening at the same time
and all of these people are in the same zone,
country town, like one thing happens and it's affecting the
other things, or it's not because the people are not

(43:31):
flying to help, right Like there's a CW. Yeah, I
like that this film did that where it's just like
there's things happening, and Superman may may not be helping,
but there's stings still happening, and it's still happening all
together in real time versus MCU. Half the time, they
don't acknowledge that it's happening or that it exists, right,
and you got to guess, well, which timeline are we
in and all this other stuff, whereas is this it

(43:52):
was literally everyone existing at once.

Speaker 5 (43:54):
Shit's happening, and at least DC has an excuse where
every hero has their own city metropolist, the flashes.

Speaker 6 (44:03):
Cold City like cent Central City. Sorry, but like with
with Marble, all all these niggas in New.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
York, it's true everything in Chicago.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
Doctor Strangers down the Street, Doctor Strangers down the Street,
Thunderbolts is happening. Spider Man, you ain't tell me Spider
Man ain't swinging through to be like, what the.

Speaker 6 (44:22):
Hell is going on with this boy?

Speaker 5 (44:23):
Cats as nosy as Kate Bishop hawked, was that we
saw right here, tell me she ain't going to like
what the fuck.

Speaker 6 (44:30):
Is going on?

Speaker 1 (44:31):
And we can do have to understand like threat levels
will require different levels of hero and all this fuff
I get it. Not every threat is gonna like you know,
street threat levels, probably you're not gonna get r DJ
to pop out.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
Also, you remember, like in a case of a Thunderbolt situation,
all them cats might have been like what the fuck
is going on? And then they sitting in their room
having nightmares? You know, you got remember Thunderbolts.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
It came through. It don't matter what they was doing
in the mayor.

Speaker 6 (44:55):
Like why he ain't at least show him on the screen.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
Like would have been.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Getting back to Superman.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Like I will say, they are doing good job in
terms of just letting you know that this is a
world where everything is happening on the ones and everyone
is in there.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Like I like that.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
It wasn't like we had to wait two three movies
from now to introduce a characters like they was like
everybody's here right now and you can utilize them at
any time.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Yeah, And it's also more we're also like judging Marvel
thirty movies in while they have a you know, all
these big budgets, et cetera. So he has that greatness
where he can say, Okay, I've got all these characters,
I can use him right now in the first film
out for Marvel also have freedom.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
And ya I'm talking about right now.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
You said thirty is why are we going so far back?

Speaker 4 (45:48):
Like what I'm.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Saying, Marvel does do that too. Marvel so far characters
in a movie, you.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Know that that matter or the ones that they build up.

Speaker 6 (45:59):
We still ain't seeing Sean che since.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
Well he was in the now he's in the in
credit scene and he was standing around Yeah what credit?
Oh no, that was his incredit scene.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Was Yeah, at the end of the day, I'm still
a Marvel fan. I'm wearing the damn shirt. It's just
I did like enjoy that about Superman. This that they
they didn't wait, He didn't wait and try to build
it up. He was like, Hey, let's just throw them
niggas in now.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Yeah, And I didn't want to say one thing because Naddy.
I guess you're a Snyder defender, but it's like, you
can't call shooting Jimmy Olsen in the face introducing world building,
you know, and that's what Snyder did, Like Snyder had
Jimmy Olsen in some random soul.

Speaker 8 (46:40):
That was stupid than that.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
I will yeah, And that's.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
What I'm saying, Like, while this is like and once
again I go back to that essence, like I didn't
I love Jimmy Olsen in this right loved it.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
I thought he was so great because it got that
essence of Jimmy Olsen being this smart, capable the girls
love him all this, like girls, dudes, everyone loves Jimmy.
You know, he's Superman's pal.

Speaker 8 (47:02):
Like are we gonna get the watch?

Speaker 6 (47:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (47:05):
Yeah, but it had it. Just that's especially on the
second view.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
I was like, it took me that second view and
to be Okay, I get where they're going with this.
And when I got where they're going with this, I
love everything. And I mean all the goofiness. Oh my god,
Perry White. There's a goofiest moment in the world with
Perry White in this film. And the second time, the
first time I cried like what the fuck about watching?
And the second time I was sitting there like.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah, all right, Perry's to me has always been especially
from the animation, I always been tongue in cheek, funny,
like he always said some wild shit and done some
shit on on the on the low Skyler Gisondo, who
plays Jimmy Olsen, I like that you said that.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
I agree he is.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
I was like, he has he ever played Jimmy because
he looked like all of the Jimmy's combined, Like he
he looked and acted like every iteration of the Jimmy
you've ever seen in any multiverse, And like, I'm like,
that's that like him?

Speaker 2 (48:00):
So I mess with him.

Speaker 5 (48:03):
I do wish she got the dynamic because because he
was supposed to be his best friend and I don't
really Yeah I.

Speaker 6 (48:07):
Didn't get that from this movie.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Yeah we didn't.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
It wasn't really focused on that.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
It was more like Lowis and Clark as opposed to
Jimmy and Calstion.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
It was a little Jimmy and Clark. It was a
little It was a.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Little bit, but but also isn't that more so like
when he's still building his like he was already dating
this spoiler.

Speaker 6 (48:24):
No, it's not a spoiler.

Speaker 8 (48:25):
I want to know.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
I wanted kissing that they kissing in the.

Speaker 6 (48:28):
If he they know that she knows his identity.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Like, yeah, so that not friends with Jimmy, but he
got a girl now, so you know, and that's funny.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Okay, now I know that that's not a spoiler. But
I didn't know that going in.

Speaker 6 (48:40):
I did not.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
I didn't know that it was dating, that she knew
his identity.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
You know. I didn't know that going me neither.

Speaker 5 (48:47):
So we talked about Lowis and Clark, right, yeah, yeah, no,
I mean in the trailer, she's like, can I interview
you with Superman?

Speaker 4 (48:53):
She did say that I missed that line.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
And I didn't put together I'm slow.

Speaker 8 (48:57):
What I wanted to say, though, is what I did.

Speaker 7 (49:00):
I really like is similar to The Batman, where he's
not Bruce Wayne yet he's still finding himself. It's so
it's not the same regular origin story. We didn't have
to see him falling from Krypton. I like that it's
in the middle. So that really worked for me because
he's more established than Tom Welling, but he's not like
Henry Cavill yet, so he's like in the beginning finding himself.

(49:21):
He's working as a journalist at the Daily Planet. He's
like figuring out like how to balance his life as
both and that that actually really worked for me because
we see his vulnerability. Even they mentioned like him being
like super naive and like trusting with people like that.

Speaker 8 (49:36):
That was brilliant. Like that, I thought they nailed.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yeah, I know we talked about the big bag lets,
but what about his supporting bats. What did you think
about his his supporting team of bad people.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
I was tight about the architect because the architect is.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Is she supposed to be like a feiora.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
The engineer, the engineer, sorry, the engineer is part of
the authority, and the they were actually going to do
an authority movie when early on when they first announced it.

Speaker 5 (50:06):
Because I know, I think they're still doing it, it's
just being pushed back.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
I think, well, after this, after the way they treated
the engineering this, I don't know, we'll see, but yeah,
the engineer is a really dope character. And I felt
like they were reduced to pure henchman in this.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
It was very henchman like.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
And she was definitely just a henchman and struggle Henchman
at that, and I mean like that when you talk
about a character straight up declaring their intentions and lifelihood
and dialogue.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
It was yeah.

Speaker 5 (50:36):
And I also never understood what her motivation, like why
because the authority aren't heroes, but they are.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
Hero yeah, but they have a clear motivation.

Speaker 5 (50:44):
So I've never understood why she's like, what made her
want to work with lex?

Speaker 8 (50:49):
Yes, gave up my body?

Speaker 4 (50:51):
Yeah yeah, there was no why.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
And you know, they said that they did these things,
and the engineer just has a much you know, iller
character and much deeper character than that. So it was
just to see them reduced to Henchman was like, okay,
all right, that's what we're going cool.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Yeah, it was. It was a little weird.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Like I have mentioned again the old Superman movies, this
was very Superman too. Like I thought she was like
a Fiora clone. I thought the big one was a
what non I think that's the name non clone. Like
it just seemed like, Okay, we're just doing this again
and just in a different way. So and again throwaway
characters essentially that matter. Oh yeah, so I don't know.

(51:32):
We talked about the coat, we talk of other stuff,
just the direction, cinematography effects thoughts about that.

Speaker 5 (51:40):
I think the cinematography is low, not the cinematography the CGI,
especially because they shot with like that long lens.

Speaker 6 (51:47):
It looked a little weird to me at many points.

Speaker 5 (51:51):
Even like as much as I enjoyed the Mister Terrific
fight scene, I'm like, this doesn't look that great.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
This CG and I looked like CGI, and that's negative
in my view, Like moments.

Speaker 5 (52:02):
When he's flying and like because of the long his
body looks like, yeah, it's it's a fantastic long And
I'm like.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
I like the flying shots and I like the Kaisu shots.
I feel you on the Mister Terrific shots. That was
what that was definitely, oh this is you know all right.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
I didn't like the c G I looking like c G.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
I Like, I understand you can't really get a dog
to be doing all that stuff and all stuff, but
it's just like it felt fake when he was interacting
with the dog, like he was looking at a green
screen and I'm just like, damn Son, like okay, you know, yeah,
we never do to.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Talk about the dog. Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Thumbs upper, thumbs down for Crypto one two three go.

Speaker 6 (52:58):
Anti dog. I have to call Pete.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Half of thumb.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Okay, I have a dog as well, And I was like,
this stupid ass motherfucker, Like I just it was it's
going about was the dog was was the biggest star
next to Superman.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
He was the biggest star of it. And that was
clearly on purpose. That was cool. Like you said, I'm silvery,
you're trying to sell toys.

Speaker 7 (53:20):
But I was just like, guys, enough enough.

Speaker 5 (53:24):
I think the thing I liked about Crypto is it's
a very different version of like usually when you see
Crypto even in the comics, like, yeah, he's still a dog,
but he's like a dog that like kinda has human intelligence, Yeah,
understands thing. But this version of like, no, they just
he's a dog happen. It just happens to have Superman
like power. So I also like to appreciate the fact

(53:46):
that like it also kind of goes to show. Granted,
it's a kid's movie, so it's funny ha ha, but
it's also like, nah, this nigga is dangerous.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
Like hella dangerous.

Speaker 5 (53:57):
Even in the trailer when he Superman is hurt, he's
on the ground bleeding and the dog thinks it's playtime.
He's like Superman, Like if that was anybody else, they'd
be dead, like and that's something that happens like with Crypto,
like at the end of the movie.

Speaker 6 (54:12):
And obviously no spoilers, but I'm just like, he should
be dead.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Yeah, I don't know, you said dog.

Speaker 6 (54:22):
He's home training.

Speaker 5 (54:23):
But then when we see what happens that we we
understand why Crypto is the way.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
You said half a thumb, Nadia, why half.

Speaker 7 (54:32):
The same thing? I just think he was there too much. Okay,
it's like but it's just it's it's too much. It's
too much, too much banter, like too much fan service,
too much like in your feet.

Speaker 6 (54:46):
If they gave us Crypto, you think we're gonna get
a bathhound.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Deep cuts.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
I have no idea what you about I need And
all that weird is Batman's dog I'm having.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Everybody can't have a damn pet.

Speaker 6 (55:02):
Now, Wayne Robin, he has.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
You want to talk about Supergirl's horse, the LSD is strong.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
I Supergirl has a flying horse that she that turns
into a man, that was a man.

Speaker 6 (55:20):
Yeah that's in love with her.

Speaker 8 (55:22):
Sorry, but just back to that.

Speaker 7 (55:24):
I was gonna say two things from CinemaCon that we got.
Rachel Brosnahan told us how she studied like actual journalists,
like she consulted with people for her character, and I
love that. I thought that was really strong. The other
thing we got is James Gunn obviously telling like a
self like a story about himself and his dog, like

(55:44):
he adopted a dog and the dog like ruined his
entire apartment. So that was kind of like his inspiration
for Crypto, And I was like, I get it, but like,
does every single aspect of your life have to be
in every movie that you do?

Speaker 6 (55:59):
He put his wife in Brother than every movie.

Speaker 7 (56:01):
Yeah, so yeah, oh yeah, no spoilers, no spoilers.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
The first time I saw it, I did not. It
was pure thumbs down to that damn dog. I mean
pure thumbs down, shout out talk. No, I didn't want
to say. I can't even say who said that. I'll
say that someone said that once they were finished watching
the movie, they wanted to put.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
The dog down.

Speaker 6 (56:23):
Damn. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
I know.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
I don't want to say who said that because y'all
will give the may meal. On my second viewing, I
realized that Britto is not in near as much as
I thought he was the first.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
Time, and he and a lot. No, it's not, he's
in there.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
It's just he's in there when he needs to be,
I guess, and he's in there enough to sell merch,
which he is purely there for. But I did enjoy
him the second time more because, like you said, he
just a goddamn dog who has superpowers.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
And it's really hilary is because.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Like there's one line the Superman says about him later
on in the film that just has me fucking rolling
inside my head because it's the real ship ever about
this guy, damn Monster's dog.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
The second time, I even go thumbs up.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
Because it's not it's it's right on the verge of overdone.
But it's like everything in this movie. And I would
give James done that he wants a very fine line
between sincere and corny and goofy as fuck, and he
treads it very well. I would give him that.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
James stepped a few times from me, but.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
Oh he damn sure. I mean you gonna you know he's.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
He's an habitual line step up.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
You already know this is what gun does.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
You know he habitually steps lines and he does you
know more than once in this film, But I think
overall he's about seventy percent, you know, on the line.

Speaker 6 (57:53):
And James Gunn loves his animals, whether it's Rocket yeah
and aliena no, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Again, we mentioned like effects and stuff like that. We
said a little bit of cinematography. Everyone generally was cool
with the cinematography, with you know, some questions there. There
were some transition questions I had while again it gave
some mintioned impossible stuff where it's like, why did you
make that transition there?

Speaker 2 (58:21):
But okay, that's what you wanted to do.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Yeah, anything else or the score, anything else about the
film that you wanted to mention, Yes, score, Yes.

Speaker 7 (58:31):
So I feel like he shoved it down our throat.
He literally beats you with the music more than Superman
beats people. It's music by John Murphy obviously the iconic
theme from Hans Zimmer and we also have John Williams
iconic Superman theme.

Speaker 8 (58:45):
But I feel like every scene it plays, whether it.

Speaker 7 (58:49):
Relates to the scene or not, it just it's just
like ten times in the movie we have the music
and it's like it's it's taking me out of the scene.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Like I said, I felt this in Guardians three. I
hated when he used Beacie Boys in that movie. It's
no sleep to Brooklyn, it's always. And my problem with
gun is he's running these filmmakers where he uses music
a lot, but it's not very rhythmic in the editing
and the shooting, and so because of that, it's just like,
all right, dude, I get it. You know, you had

(59:18):
another seventies rock song, and I think I.

Speaker 6 (59:21):
Wish there was more score and less soundtrack.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
I agree there it is there.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
I'm gonna say there's a little bit of a difference there.
And this the soundtrack he chose us very White.

Speaker 6 (59:32):
The song that played miss the terrific battle scene.

Speaker 5 (59:35):
I was like, what am I don't think.

Speaker 7 (59:37):
I.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
Mean, especially in that voice.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
You had this man talking and you should have had
some fucking Isaac Hayes.

Speaker 5 (59:49):
I'm glad he ain't do that.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
If we would have, we would have been we would
have been that theater.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
Like I can't believe that he's throwing off. If he
throw on some one of bangers, I wouldn't have been mad.
I talking about like a bang.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Dare you you know it?

Speaker 6 (01:00:07):
You know you you complain just like me. Complain about
the black boys.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
So like, if you had that about the way hilarious
because every other song is white as fun and then
you throw this black song.

Speaker 6 (01:00:20):
On, I would have loved it. I would have loved it.
Go all the way in. You would have know he
would have he would You would have mad.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
I would have been so mad because I already I'm
already called this man the gift and the curse of
this film, So just extended the gift the curse.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Uh with that?

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Just your final thoughts and if you would recommend this
movie and the rating you give it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
Mmm mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
I would recommend this film. I would definitely recommend this film.
I had to say that. And go in with childlife viewpoints.
Don't go in thinking you have any you know any
I won't say any idea what you're about to see.
But don't go in thinking that, oh, Superman needs to
be like this. Go in and say, well, let me

(01:01:11):
see what they're bringing to the Superman. And if you're
a James Gunn fan, I think you'll enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Be open minded, Yeah, be open minded?

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Yeah, and I dive it about a.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
C plus B minus be minus.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
I think yeah, uh not your you go. What do you?

Speaker 8 (01:01:33):
What do you?

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
What are your last final thoughts and your rating and
would you recommend the movie?

Speaker 7 (01:01:36):
He described it as like lighthearted and wholesome. I said,
Gun does what he does best, Like he has beautiful
world building.

Speaker 8 (01:01:44):
That's one thing I think he nails.

Speaker 7 (01:01:46):
Like he gave us a lot more like alien life
and like some really cool scenes that I feel like
make a little more fantastical, which can work.

Speaker 8 (01:01:54):
The characters obviously lovable.

Speaker 7 (01:01:56):
It's the spirit of Superman, but I don't think that's enough.
I think, like, as I mentioned, this excessive exposition, a
lot of the dialogue is nonsense and things a normal
person would never say. And it's Guardians of Metropolis, that's
how I described it's Guardians of the Galaxy, for it
just takes placed in the DC universe. But I still

(01:02:17):
think it's fun. As you mentioned, it's a kids movie.
Like I told one of my friends who's actually like
a big Snyder fan, I was like, your kids are
gonna love it, and he's like, oh yeah, like we're
gonna go see it. I was like, go see it
in imax, Like I think the kids will love it.

Speaker 8 (01:02:30):
So I still think go see it.

Speaker 7 (01:02:31):
But I think like we were mentioning, like you have
to go in with the mindset that this is not
for us, it's for children, and kid things are very
hit or miss for me. But I think if done well,
like I absolutely love Miss Marvel the irony of me,
who's like punisher fucking shoot everybody. I think Miss Marvel
was the best Disney show, hands down. So I think

(01:02:55):
it can be done well if it's good writing. I
don't think it has to be written like as if
you're stupid, And I kind of think this Painter is
a little bit to that, making everyone dumb, even like
the parents.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
But what you're rating, you could still be leiterating on
one to ten six six right in the middle.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Okay, mister black gay comic geek.

Speaker 6 (01:03:19):
So I think the movie is fun. I would totally
recommend it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
I think also because we're critics and we watch a
lot of movies and wear a bunch of nerds, like
someone like even like, oh, it's very.

Speaker 6 (01:03:31):
James Gunny and a lot of we He's repeating a
lot of the same things that we've seen before.

Speaker 5 (01:03:35):
The general audience is not gonna notice or really care
about anything like that. All they really care is, like,
can I take my kids to this. This is gonna
be something I feel like you could take your kids too.
Like it's bright, it's vibrant, your Superman is a hero.
It makes you hope again and so and I think
the characters are strong enough in this movie that at
least for me, a lot of the flaws that I have,

(01:03:56):
which I mean, I would agree with Nadia, you, Tatiana
and Ben like, I agree with that, But I think
the characters are strong enough for me that at least
overcame like it made me want to see more of
this world, more of these characters, more of the DCU,
and then also hopefully we get to see more Superman
and lowesst and we get Jonathan.

Speaker 6 (01:04:13):
Kent his his gay son. So like, uh, but yeah,
I was just true.

Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
So yeah, I would recommend, I would recommend uh people
see this movie. And I would give it like a
seven point five out of ten.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
All right, and my personal sentiments remain on the fence.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
I can put my personal views aside to say that
there is an absolute audience for this Yes, it is
geared towards children, but I do think just someone who's
looking for something different in the Superman story from all
of the past, darkness and gloom would appreciate this. They
appreciate the levity of it, They appreciate the comedy of it,
the weirdness of it even much even more so, they

(01:04:51):
appreciate the underwear outside the tights. I think if you
if you, if you're ready for that, then you're you're fine, right,
Like you'll be good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
I will.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
I would rate it probably six and a half seven,
because again, lots of merits and lots of things where
I just had questions.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
But yeah, I agree a lot with.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
What you said, Michael, Like I am a critic, so
I'm going to look at this a bit more critically
than the next person.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
One last thing I do want to add, I really
loved how I think Nadia was talking about just how
the world budding and how lived in the world feels,
and not in a like Star Wars way where it
feels worn out and dirty. It's where everyone, at least
in Metropolis, is very used to the idea of meta
humans and very medi human type events happening around them

(01:05:42):
and it's just not that big a deal to them, And.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
I thought that was very cool. That always harkens back
to the great Superman stuff. That I love and no.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
I came home and when I was walking home, I
was walking into my house and my next door neighbor
he has two young sons. I want to say they're
about eight and six. I'm not exactly sure, but I
will tell them tomorrow. But my first thought when I
saw them was like, YO, take your kids to see this?

Speaker 6 (01:06:08):
Take your kids.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Yeah, I'm gonna tell them. I'll just be like, yo,
I don't know if you're thinking about Superman, but taking kids.

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
To see this joint?

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
And also you go for guys listening if you're wondering.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
There is a mid a short mid credit scene and
a longer after credit scene, so stay for that if
you want to get some something for yourself. With that,
I want to thank you both Michael and Nadia for
joining us.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Thank you very much for joining this short notice.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Can you please let the people know where they can
find you any projecs you're working on or anything else
you want to plug.

Speaker 5 (01:06:41):
You can find me on social media TikTok, YouTube, Instagram,
Twitter and all that stuff. Black gay comic Gee always
said the things that I love to talk about has blood, sex, gore,
and magic or anything in between So I like talk superhos,
fantasy comics, horror movies, all that stuff, and of course
I talk about black representation, queer representation, so I would
say representation equals normalization, and representation matters.

Speaker 6 (01:07:04):
Make it blacker, make it gayer, That's my motto.

Speaker 5 (01:07:06):
So yeah, so come check out my channel if you
want to decolonize your fantasy and make things blacker and
make a gayer for the all gay rhythms.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
So yeah, okay, period, all right, nd yeah, please let
people know about you where they can find you anything
you want to talk about.

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I don't know if you guys recognize me.

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