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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I have got somebody calling through, actually just trying to
find the correct line. But I've got somebody calling through
with young kids. Well apparently rocked the car. Now I
won't identify this person, I understand. I think the person
is from Alice Springs. Good morning to you morning. Now,
(00:25):
I'm cautious. I don't want to I know that you
don't want to be identified. But tell me what's happened.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm just ringing to discuss. I know there was a
few cars stolen in other Springs over the last few nights.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I arrived in.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Other Springs on Sunday night to day with some family.
Every night that I've been here, I've had people coming past,
well not people, but kids coming past in cars, yelling
things out of the black in direction of the house,
throwing things at the house. I have to park my
car where it can't be seen to avoid damages. But
(01:00):
last night they tried to come into the house and
we were inside to do adults inside with about seven
seven little kids. I piled all the kids into the
car when they left, or piled all the kids into
the car in an attempt to remove ourselves from the situation.
(01:20):
They blocked, they blocked us off on the road and
I'd turned it turned into some flats to get away
from them, and they've rocked the back of my window,
chipping chip in the back of my car.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I've had the kids screaming and terrified, like you know,
the oldest kid is like nine.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
And if you could imagine being one person trying to
calm all of these kids down and keep them safe,
it's a bit, you know, terrifying. I was parked in
an alleyway. We just turned the car, was parked up
in the dark because it was the safest place we
could be until one of the neighbors had come out
(02:00):
and seen us, and she invited us inside and gave
the kids some fruit and water. This is at midnight
last night. I called the police and I waited for
over two hours for them to respond. When things had
come down, we managed to make it to my grandfather's
house in East Side, where we were packed up in
(02:21):
the driveway because we had nowhere else to stay. And
all the police could tell me was to try to
stay safe and call back. We'll back if they come.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
If they return, Oh my goodness, firstly, are you and
the kids okay?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Not at the moment. I've just tried to come into
the car to talk to have some peace, and my
kids are My kids are terrified. I'm a single mum
of three and my eldest daughter is she's she's just
five next month, and like she won't.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Go to the toilet alone.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Every car that drives past, she says to me, Mum,
is that them? And like and I and I said
to the like, I know the police know who they are.
You know, this is a regular occurrence. It's six same
kids doing the same things. Like I've seen the videos
on Facebook of the kids driving through the main street,
you know, hanging out of the car and stuff, and
like everybody thinks thinks that that's bad enough, right, but
(03:28):
can you imagine these same kids coming and trying to
break into your house in an attempt to intimidate my
younger cousins, trying to instigate a fight while we've got
you know, like we've got not not just children, Like
I have a five month old baby, and like this
is this is not the first time that it's happened.
(03:49):
They've they've come into the house, like it was about
a month ago they tried to come into the house,
so my auntie and her kids went to stay somewhere out.
The following night they broke in. They went home, they
broke in and absolutely trashed the house. Every window was broken,
every mirror, They tipped all of the furniture over, broke
(04:10):
the cupboards, everything was broken. Oh my housing has since
not repaired the screens on the houses. Like, no, there's
no front gate, you know, there's no I fence for protection.
There's one exit to the house at the moment that
is working.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Because she's had to put cupboards up in.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Front of her front door to avoid people coming in
because the door, the door's damaged and it doesn't lock,
it's not secure.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
That is crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
We've put cupboards up to prevent them coming inside. So
there's one exit to this house with the back door,
which is on the other side of the house, away
from the driveway. So can you imagine like if something
were to happen and we can't get out of the
house to then get to the other side of the
house where the car is, you know, like this, like
I don't know where else.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
To look for help.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I'm terrified for my kids' safety and so like so
I'm just I'm you know, like I don't.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I don't know where to begin. And I said to
the police last night, like, you can't, you can't protect us.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I don't know where does the protection start. The police
said to me, do you have a safe place to
sleep tonight? I thought I thought people's homes were meant
to be their safety.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Wait, well that's exactly right now. And I'm just look,
I'm trying to wrap my head around all of this.
So you're in Alice at the moment, that's but you're
not based there full time.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I have a full time, permanent position job here in
other Springs. Since having kids, I've decided that I'm not
going to live here now.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I've moved to Darwin.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I've just come back to Alice Springs to get the
rest of my belongings.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I've been here for this is.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
My fourth day here, and that's what's happened.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I can't wait to get out of here.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, and your family is still obviously based in Alice.
You know, from what you're saying, you're staying there and
you've had people try and get in, and then you've
had these kids follow your car. Yeah, how is how
is your family coping living.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
There right now, they're not coping the kids.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
The kids can't go to school because they can't get
a decent tone night asleep. My auntie is a single mom.
She's got seven children. She's a single mother. She lives
in her house alone with her children. I'm a single mom.
I have just come here to stay with her while
I'm in Other Springs because I have nowhere else to stay.
And we're two moms in a house with all of
our kids, and we're just we're sitting here waiting waiting
(06:47):
for somebody to come in. I don't know what their
intentions are.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
And you said that, like everybody knows who the kids
are that have stolen the cars. By the sounds of it,
you guys know who they are.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
We're not sure who wants in the video on faithbook.
We've tried to have a look to see who they are,
but they're just a bunch of like young Aboriginal boys.
We don't know who they are. I've asked the police.
I said to the police last night, and so do
you know who they are? They told me we can't
disclose that information with you. So, like you mean to
(07:17):
tell me that you know who these people are you
know that they're damaging our property that you know they're
breaking into the houses, like but like you you know
who they are, and there's nothing you can do. They
can't they can't help us something. I feel like this
is pretty bad. How much worse does it have to
get before something's done?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, well that's exactly right. I mean, you're a mom
driving with your kids in the car and they're throwing
rocks at you, Like, it doesn't get much worse than that.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, And like you know, I've had the police say, like,
you know, I was a teenage boy once, Like like
I understand that, Yeah, you may have been a teenage boy,
but there's a lot of difference in a teenage boy
and an aboriginal teenage or in a town like Alice Springs,
you know, like they're influenced by by so much and
(08:08):
like that these kids are getting together in like gangs
and stuff, and like I have no idea who they are,
and like they know my So I've got younger cousins
that they are targeting them. We've removed them from the
from the house. They've gone to stay somewhere else because
they're not safe. But we don't have that option because
(08:28):
we have nowhere else to go. Yeah, Like you know,
like the police are asking if we can find somewhere
safe for the night. This is meant to be our
home and you're asking two mothers with you know, seven
kids between them to go and find somewhere else to sleep.
We need a hold three bedroom house to sleep in.
(08:51):
That's not easy, you know, Like we don't have the
money to go and you know, book a room somewhere
where nobody knows we are staying.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I can't even and how you're feeling right now? I mean,
what do you reckoned? What? What do you think needs
to happen in Ellie Springs right now?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I'm really.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I know that they catch the kids and stuff, and
they try to do it in a safe way to
prevent things from happening. And I don't know how they're
going to stop the paths from getting stolen and the
kids from doing that. But I think they need to
take real action against them. I think the kids need
to be punished for what they are doing, or it
needs to go up the chain. We need where are
(09:35):
these kids' parents? Like am I here sitting down terrified
trying to sleep with my children? Where are their kids parents,
so they have them a good night's sleep while their
kid is running around taunting other people. Like I feel
like it's not good enough, Like they need to they
get these kids. They know who they are, they know
(09:56):
who the kids are. They've got they've got this systems
where they're sitting down that I know that the police
go through and they identify these kids. I see them
on the street pulling up.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
And talking to these kids.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I've heard police call these kids by their names.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
They know exactly who they are.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
But the kids they know we're untouchable.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
But they can't disclose that information with the public. But
it's okay for them to go out in the public
and terrify everyone.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Oh mate, I like, I don't even know what to
say because I can't imagine how scared you know. I'm
a mom too, as you know, and I can't imagine
how scared you must have been last night trying to
keep all those all your babies and and your nieces
and nephews and trying to keep everybody safe, you and
your sister. I don't even know what to say, because
(10:47):
there is nothing that I can say to you to
make you feel any better.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
At this point, yeah, and like the kids are terrified,
Like you know, my daughter won't even go to the
toilet alone, you know, like they haven't been to school
all week because these boys have been driving past in
the stolen cars. It's been happening every day this week.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Oh beyond a joke.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, it's the easiest thing in the world. Like, you know,
people are getting up and moving and even town. I'm
telling you, it's not easy for a single mum with
kids and no money nowhere to go. You know. Some
of us don't have reliable cars just jump in and
drive to a new location. Some of us are actually
stuck here in this you know. Yeah life.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Oh mate, Oh, I'm so sorry to hear you know
what has happened for you and your family over the
last twenty four hours. And I know, as you said,
you know you're trying. You've moved to Darwin, You've got
a job here in Darwin. But but it's not you know,
it would not be easy either, leaving your family there.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yeah, and it makes you, it makes you don't want
to come back.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah you and did you grow up in our see
your local girl?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, I was born and bred and Alice yep.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Oh mate, I'm so I really, I'm really grateful that
you've called this morning, because I think it's really important
for people to know exactly what's going on in Alice Springs.
I did just get a message from Darren Clark from
Action for Alice. He said to me, Katie, it's cooked here.
Alice is no longer a tourist destination. It's so unsafe,
you know. So I know that there's people listening in
(12:27):
Alice Springs and I appreciate you talking to us because
while you're based here in Darwin, you're there in Alice,
and people right around the Northern Territory need to know
what's going on because it needs to get sorted out. Yeah,
thank you very much for chatting with me this morning.
I really appreciate your.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Calling through that's okay, thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
No worries, Hey, you look after you and your family,
and I hope your little ones are okay.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Lots of love to you and your family. I appreciate
your time this morning.
I have got somebody calling through, actually just trying to
find the correct line. But I've got somebody calling through
with young kids. Well apparently rocked the car. Now I
won't identify this person, I understand. I think the person
is from Alice Springs. Good morning to you morning. Now,
(00:25):
I'm cautious. I don't want to I know that you
don't want to be identified. But tell me what's happened.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm just ringing to discuss. I know there was a
few cars stolen in other Springs over the last few nights.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I arrived in.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Other Springs on Sunday night to day with some family.
Every night that I've been here, I've had people coming past,
well not people, but kids coming past in cars, yelling
things out of the black in direction of the house,
throwing things at the house. I have to park my
car where it can't be seen to avoid damages. But
(01:00):
last night they tried to come into the house and
we were inside to do adults inside with about seven
seven little kids. I piled all the kids into the
car when they left, or piled all the kids into
the car in an attempt to remove ourselves from the situation.
(01:20):
They blocked, they blocked us off on the road and
I'd turned it turned into some flats to get away
from them, and they've rocked the back of my window,
chipping chip in the back of my car.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I've had the kids screaming and terrified, like you know,
the oldest kid is like nine.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
And if you could imagine being one person trying to
calm all of these kids down and keep them safe,
it's a bit, you know, terrifying. I was parked in
an alleyway. We just turned the car, was parked up
in the dark because it was the safest place we
could be until one of the neighbors had come out
(02:00):
and seen us, and she invited us inside and gave
the kids some fruit and water. This is at midnight
last night. I called the police and I waited for
over two hours for them to respond. When things had
come down, we managed to make it to my grandfather's
house in East Side, where we were packed up in
(02:21):
the driveway because we had nowhere else to stay. And
all the police could tell me was to try to
stay safe and call back. We'll back if they come.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
If they return, Oh my goodness, firstly, are you and
the kids okay?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Not at the moment. I've just tried to come into
the car to talk to have some peace, and my
kids are My kids are terrified. I'm a single mum
of three and my eldest daughter is she's she's just
five next month, and like she won't.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Go to the toilet alone.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Every car that drives past, she says to me, Mum,
is that them? And like and I and I said
to the like, I know the police know who they are.
You know, this is a regular occurrence. It's six same
kids doing the same things. Like I've seen the videos
on Facebook of the kids driving through the main street,
you know, hanging out of the car and stuff, and
like everybody thinks thinks that that's bad enough, right, but
(03:28):
can you imagine these same kids coming and trying to
break into your house in an attempt to intimidate my
younger cousins, trying to instigate a fight while we've got
you know, like we've got not not just children, Like
I have a five month old baby, and like this
is this is not the first time that it's happened.
(03:49):
They've they've come into the house, like it was about
a month ago they tried to come into the house,
so my auntie and her kids went to stay somewhere out.
The following night they broke in. They went home, they
broke in and absolutely trashed the house. Every window was broken,
every mirror, They tipped all of the furniture over, broke
(04:10):
the cupboards, everything was broken. Oh my housing has since
not repaired the screens on the houses. Like, no, there's
no front gate, you know, there's no I fence for protection.
There's one exit to the house at the moment that
is working.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Because she's had to put cupboards up in.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Front of her front door to avoid people coming in
because the door, the door's damaged and it doesn't lock,
it's not secure.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
That is crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
We've put cupboards up to prevent them coming inside. So
there's one exit to this house with the back door,
which is on the other side of the house, away
from the driveway. So can you imagine like if something
were to happen and we can't get out of the
house to then get to the other side of the
house where the car is, you know, like this, like
I don't know where else.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
To look for help.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I'm terrified for my kids' safety and so like so
I'm just I'm you know, like I don't.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I don't know where to begin. And I said to
the police last night, like, you can't, you can't protect us.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I don't know where does the protection start. The police
said to me, do you have a safe place to
sleep tonight? I thought I thought people's homes were meant
to be their safety.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Wait, well that's exactly right now. And I'm just look,
I'm trying to wrap my head around all of this.
So you're in Alice at the moment, that's but you're
not based there full time.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I have a full time, permanent position job here in
other Springs. Since having kids, I've decided that I'm not
going to live here now.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I've moved to Darwin.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I've just come back to Alice Springs to get the
rest of my belongings.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I've been here for this is.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
My fourth day here, and that's what's happened.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I can't wait to get out of here.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, and your family is still obviously based in Alice.
You know, from what you're saying, you're staying there and
you've had people try and get in, and then you've
had these kids follow your car. Yeah, how is how
is your family coping living.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
There right now, they're not coping the kids.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
The kids can't go to school because they can't get
a decent tone night asleep. My auntie is a single mom.
She's got seven children. She's a single mother. She lives
in her house alone with her children. I'm a single mom.
I have just come here to stay with her while
I'm in Other Springs because I have nowhere else to stay.
And we're two moms in a house with all of
our kids, and we're just we're sitting here waiting waiting
(06:47):
for somebody to come in. I don't know what their
intentions are.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
And you said that, like everybody knows who the kids
are that have stolen the cars. By the sounds of it,
you guys know who they are.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
We're not sure who wants in the video on faithbook.
We've tried to have a look to see who they are,
but they're just a bunch of like young Aboriginal boys.
We don't know who they are. I've asked the police.
I said to the police last night, and so do
you know who they are? They told me we can't
disclose that information with you. So, like you mean to
(07:17):
tell me that you know who these people are you
know that they're damaging our property that you know they're
breaking into the houses, like but like you you know
who they are, and there's nothing you can do. They
can't they can't help us something. I feel like this
is pretty bad. How much worse does it have to
get before something's done?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, well that's exactly right. I mean, you're a mom
driving with your kids in the car and they're throwing
rocks at you, Like, it doesn't get much worse than that.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, And like you know, I've had the police say, like,
you know, I was a teenage boy once, Like like
I understand that, Yeah, you may have been a teenage boy,
but there's a lot of difference in a teenage boy
and an aboriginal teenage or in a town like Alice Springs,
you know, like they're influenced by by so much and
(08:08):
like that these kids are getting together in like gangs
and stuff, and like I have no idea who they are,
and like they know my So I've got younger cousins
that they are targeting them. We've removed them from the
from the house. They've gone to stay somewhere else because
they're not safe. But we don't have that option because
(08:28):
we have nowhere else to go. Yeah, Like you know,
like the police are asking if we can find somewhere
safe for the night. This is meant to be our
home and you're asking two mothers with you know, seven
kids between them to go and find somewhere else to sleep.
We need a hold three bedroom house to sleep in.
(08:51):
That's not easy, you know, Like we don't have the
money to go and you know, book a room somewhere
where nobody knows we are staying.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I can't even and how you're feeling right now? I mean,
what do you reckoned? What? What do you think needs
to happen in Ellie Springs right now?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I'm really.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I know that they catch the kids and stuff, and
they try to do it in a safe way to
prevent things from happening. And I don't know how they're
going to stop the paths from getting stolen and the
kids from doing that. But I think they need to
take real action against them. I think the kids need
to be punished for what they are doing, or it
needs to go up the chain. We need where are
(09:35):
these kids' parents? Like am I here sitting down terrified
trying to sleep with my children? Where are their kids parents,
so they have them a good night's sleep while their
kid is running around taunting other people. Like I feel
like it's not good enough, Like they need to they
get these kids. They know who they are, they know
(09:56):
who the kids are. They've got they've got this systems
where they're sitting down that I know that the police
go through and they identify these kids. I see them
on the street pulling up.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
And talking to these kids.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I've heard police call these kids by their names.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
They know exactly who they are.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
But the kids they know we're untouchable.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
But they can't disclose that information with the public. But
it's okay for them to go out in the public
and terrify everyone.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Oh mate, I like, I don't even know what to
say because I can't imagine how scared you know. I'm
a mom too, as you know, and I can't imagine
how scared you must have been last night trying to
keep all those all your babies and and your nieces
and nephews and trying to keep everybody safe, you and
your sister. I don't even know what to say, because
(10:47):
there is nothing that I can say to you to
make you feel any better.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
At this point, yeah, and like the kids are terrified,
Like you know, my daughter won't even go to the
toilet alone, you know, like they haven't been to school
all week because these boys have been driving past in
the stolen cars. It's been happening every day this week.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Oh beyond a joke.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, it's the easiest thing in the world. Like, you know,
people are getting up and moving and even town. I'm
telling you, it's not easy for a single mum with
kids and no money nowhere to go. You know. Some
of us don't have reliable cars just jump in and
drive to a new location. Some of us are actually
stuck here in this you know. Yeah life.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Oh mate, Oh, I'm so sorry to hear you know
what has happened for you and your family over the
last twenty four hours. And I know, as you said,
you know you're trying. You've moved to Darwin, You've got
a job here in Darwin. But but it's not you know,
it would not be easy either, leaving your family there.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yeah, and it makes you, it makes you don't want
to come back.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah you and did you grow up in our see
your local girl?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, I was born and bred and Alice yep.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Oh mate, I'm so I really, I'm really grateful that
you've called this morning, because I think it's really important
for people to know exactly what's going on in Alice Springs.
I did just get a message from Darren Clark from
Action for Alice. He said to me, Katie, it's cooked here.
Alice is no longer a tourist destination. It's so unsafe,
you know. So I know that there's people listening in
(12:27):
Alice Springs and I appreciate you talking to us because
while you're based here in Darwin, you're there in Alice,
and people right around the Northern Territory need to know
what's going on because it needs to get sorted out. Yeah,
thank you very much for chatting with me this morning.
I really appreciate your.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Calling through that's okay, thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
No worries, Hey, you look after you and your family,
and I hope your little ones are okay.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Lots of love to you and your family. I appreciate
your time this morning.
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