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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Joining me in the studio this morning is the acting
Assistant Police Commissioner James O'Brien. Good morning to you, Good.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Morning Katie, Good morning to your listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Thank you so much for your time. Now. First off,
keen to see if there has been a bit of
an update on the investigation into what occurred in Nightcliffe
well a week ago, you know, last Wednesday evening. I
know that that alleged defender is obviously before the courts,
but is there any other update that the police can
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give us at this point.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yeah, that's obviously a tragic incident, and my heart goes
out to the people around that food land. We shot
there all the time. It's just a great, fantastic shop
and mine know that, my family personally, we're very shocked
to hear about it, So.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
My condolences go out there.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
In terms of the actual investigation, the alleged defender went
before the courts on Monday. He has been remanded in
custody and that investigation will just be ongoing by.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Our major crime detective.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
There's probably not too much that I can talk about
in relation to the actual investigation because there are certain
things in investigative processes where you know, we just like
to keep those rolling until the next court appearance.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So I dare say.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Crime will come out with an update once they believe
that we can actually release a little bit further to
the community.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
All right, we will keep an ear and an eye
out for that. I do want to ask. I mean,
in terms of Nightcliff, it like a lot of the
a lot of the messages that we're getting, we're being
told anecdotally there's been a really increase in anti social
behavior and criminal activity around Nightcliffe. I mean, there does
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seem to be an increased volume of intoxicated people around
the place. Do police feel that it has become an
area that's, you know, that has become busier.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I guess for you guys, I think and having police
Darwin in particular Greater Dawn for a long time, you know,
I've been here over thirty years in the police force
and really done a lot of great work here in Darwin,
and I've run the Alcohol Policing Unit and I currently
run the Territory Community Safety Portfolio which she encompasses our
Territory Safety Division which are operating out of the Nightcliff
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Police station. So what we find in terms of any
social behavior itinerant behavior, long grassing. Those sorts of terminology,
if you want to use them, is that they move
around and where you press in one area where we
focus our resources in one particular area, we find that
they pop up in another area.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
And it might just be at the moment that they're.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Popping up in Nightcliff, perhaps because we've pressed in other
particular areas. I know that we've done some joint operations
which we do multi agency operations out at Malac recently
and in Jingly as well, and we've done some education
pieces around volatile substance abuse. So those pressing in those
particular areas may have then caused a little bit of
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a pop up in Nightcliff. I haven't seen it, but
if that's the feel that your listeners are getting, then
obviously our Territory Safety Division, through the Daily Patroller Network.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
We'll look at that well.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I guess, you know, we have like we're definitely seeing
people that are intoxicated doing the wrong thing in the area.
I know we get messages coming through on that, and
I think the probably the concern is the fact that
the you know that the police station's right there and
people are feeling like it's unmanned and that there's not
a greater police presence. I mean, what do you say to.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
That, Well, I think policing has very much perception orientated
as well. You know, if there was a police officer
on every corner, people would feel absolutely safe, and that's
just how humans are. Then there's a great big police
station out there called Nightcliff Police Station, and the territory
Safety Divisions sit there. Now what they do is previously
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they were deploying around the territory, you know, feeding into
communities to help with respite, help with unrest and that
sort of thing. Just recently we're refocusing them on more
concentrating on anty social behavior here in the greater day
Own area. Okay, so all of those staff are out
and about dealing with local council, Larakian Nation, all of
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the daily patrol and network to do joint operations transit
safety officers to target those hotspot areas. So we should
see more of a focus on that over the coming
weeks and months.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Do you reckon like I know in years gone by,
we've spoken quite a bit about the Return two Country
program that Larachie Nation for example, used to run. I'm
assuming they still do that. Do you know if that
does still happen.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yes, it does.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I know that they report into the Department of Chief
Minister and we get those figures through our Interagency Tasking
and Coordination Group, And since taking over the portfolio, I'm
yet to attend one, but I will to try and
find out those stats.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
But I do believe it. Yeah, it is ongoing.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, I'll try and find out some further detail. I
want to ask you because there has been it feels
as though we've had a number of incidents over the
last over all lat you know, over a period of
time where a lot of people seem to be armed
with edged weapons or knives. I mean, are we seeing
an increase in knife crime and are the police amping
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up some of those wanding operations.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I think whether it's an increase or not, I'm not
too sure, but I think what we see generally as
our community is right across Australia, we are seeing more
media about knife crime or about edged weapon crime. So
what I can say is that we've done over fifty
wanding operations since October twenty twenty four, so that's quite
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a few wanding operations and we regularly do them. So
even as recent as over the ANZAC Day long weekend,
we had a very high visibility operation going that involved
our TRG, our search and rescue people, our domestic violence people, traffic,
a whole range of people and they were out there
conducting some wanding operations and we did eighty two wanding operations, okay,
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and out of those voluntarily given to us were.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Eight pairs of scissors.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Out of those, so scissors seem to be quite common. Yeah, right,
And if you translate that into what our rough sleepers do,
they use scissors to chop up tobacco and that sort
of stuff, so that's off them or they're voluntarily giving
them to us sometimes that they don't have a lawful reason.
And so yes, I suppose.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
So we're also seeing I mean, last week is a
tragic example that you know that there does seem to
be you know, dangerous people or people that can be
dangerous with with edged weapons on them and and using them.
And you know, it may be greater media coverage, but
you know, very often we're actually sort of hearing about
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these instances because unfortunately people are being injured, they're being
you know, allegedly assaulted with them. The example in Alice
Springs of course as well. Over the course of the weekend,
we're two men have allegedly stolen from a service station
in Alice Springs. One of them then has allegedly punched
the service station attendant, the other stabbed him in the arm.
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I mean, it's not just that people are sort of
armed with scissors. We're sort of seeing that they're armed
with whatever they're armed with and prepared to use ash.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, and it's disgraceful, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
It's absolutely disgraceful basis, it's horrifying, and for.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Those console operators at service stations, for the shop owners
who are just trying to go about their normal day
to day business Bottolows as well as we recently saw
a Korama. You know, I really feel for those people,
and we often work with that community in terms of
those businesses to try and for one of a better word,
target hardened, to try and help them improve what they
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could do to try and reduce that because police can't
be everywhere all the time. Yeah, and we try to be,
but we just can't. So yes, we are seeing those
and people are actually prepared to use them as we
have seen, and we will absolutely try and be in
those areas when we can try and target those areas
through our daily patrol and network. But all I can
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say for those console operators is safety first, your own
safety first.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Absolutely, yep.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
And I know that we all know when confronted with
these sorts of things, we want to make sure we
protect our businesses and that sort of stuff, absolutely, and
everybody has that right and fantastic, but yeah, let's just
be careful that now, all right.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
A few incidents that have obviously happened over the last
couple of days. Yesterday, I believe the Northern Territory Police
arrested a seventeen year old in relation to an aggravated
robbery that it occurred in Karama. The night prior, you'd
receive reports that two mail youths entered a licensed premises,
one of which allegedly threatened a staff member with an
age weapon and stole a quantity of cash from that
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cash register. Strikeforce Trident later locating and arresting that seventeen
year old, who was expected to appear in court yesterday.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yes, that is exactly I think.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I think he's actually appearing today today.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Sorry, yeah, he is appearing today.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
And the second one wasn't actually inside, so tried and
dealt with that particular person in a different way. So
but yes, absolutely, and it is one of these things
that although it's absolutely disgraceful that these incidents happen, we
have areas like Strikeforce, Trident, like Cerberus, like Viper all
across the territory that actively go out and hunt these
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perpetrators to bring them to be held accountable before the court.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Another one on Saturday, the Northern Territory Police ended up
arresting two women in relation to an aggravated robbery that
had occurred in Casarina. So it actually happened the night
prior again and Communications receiving a report from security services
at that the servo on vandal And Drive was being
held up. Now the police then attended the scene immediately
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they arrested a twenty one year old and a twenty
three year old, and those two women, obviously i'm assuming
facing charges will they were set to appear in court
earlier this week. Now I raise that again obviously because
it's a terrible situation and the police have indeed arrested
those women, but also because we had a couple of
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messages coming through on the text line people saying Katie
Casurina is sort of firing up again at the moment
somebody suggesting that there was people trying to steal cars
while women were walking to their cars. Have the police
had any reports of that?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
So on my way here I heard that and I
asked my staff officer to try and find out straight away.
We rung strike force tried and they hadn't heard of anything. However,
if somebody is coming in and saying those things, then
obviously we need to look at that now. Catherina Bus
into change, as we know, similar to Darn the Palmston one,
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they do become it goes in waves every now and then,
they do become a bit of a hot spot. And
if that is at the moment, I do know that
we will be undertaking an operation over in that Casuarina
Square and Casuina Village area over the coming weeks, and
that has been planned for now through that daily patroller networks.
So it might just be police, it'll be the local security,
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it will be transit safety obviously because they're at the
bus interchange and we will more than likely see wanding,
we will more than likely see high visibility patrols, not
just in a van, but they'll be out on foot,
they might be on the polaris, they might be on
a pushbike, but we will see police actively. I think
that's a.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Good thing, and I think it's something that you know,
probably following COVID we maybe didn't see as much of that.
Real proactive policing is what people would like. But it
feels as though that's a real push at the moment
from the Northern Territory Police. We've certainly spoken quite a
bit about it when it comes to road policing, but
from what I'm hearing from you today, it does sound
as though you guys want to be out there, you know,
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conducting these different operations so that anybody that is offending
knows that you might pop up anywhere realistically and have
an operation and be wanding and that if they're doing
the wrong thing, hopefully able to you know, to get
them before they actually do the wrong thing.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
And that's the absolute intent. If we can prevent something
from happening, then these operations are successful, and that's our goal.
Is police, you know, we represent the community, We serve
the community, and we need we have a duty to
try and keep everybody safe. Like I said, we can't
be everywhere all the time, but we will try through
the intelligence we get to target those hot spot areas.
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So the more people tell us and we listen to you.
We listened to you know, quite a few radio outlets
about what the comments come in, and we do actually
listen to those and go, okay, we may have a
problem here.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
So that's why I was very keen to hear that listening.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah, to find out more about that now, Acting Assistant Commissioner.
Before I let you go, we had over the East
Long weekend. We seem to have a fairly good weekend
on our roads in terms of no loss of life. Unfortunately,
last Long weekend it was you know, it was a
terrible situation where there were lives lost on our road.
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What is your message for this long weekend as we
head into that May Day long weekend?
Speaker 3 (13:19):
The current stat is nine lives lost as compared to
nineteen this time last year. Nine any as far too many?
Can we keep it at nine?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Please? Can we just keep it there?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
We don't want to see anymore. I don't want to have,
you know, our police executives send people, our justs, send people,
our Saint John's people, our fieries, our police that go
out and attend these sorts of things. Let alone, then
the family consequences later. So drive safe, where your seat belts,
don't drink and drive, don't take drugs and drive, because
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we are seeing an increase in that and we will
catch people doing that because we test.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
All the time.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
So obviously, don't be fatigued, don't use your mobile phone,
all of the road safety issues. Drive to the conditions
and honestly, it's a long weekend, you might be going
camping that just be safe and come home.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, good advice. Well, Acting Assistant Commissioner James O'Brien, thank
you very much for your time this morning. Much appreciated.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Thank you, Katie, it's a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Thank you.