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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now, as I mentioned in the opener, we are hearing
that health Scope could go into administration as early as today.
Now it is unconfirmed, but doctors say that they've received
emails saying the hospital has been financially ring fenced in
an effort to keep them running, But they have nothing
official to support that that is going to happen at
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this point in time. Doctors and healthcare professionals telling us
here this morning that they are very concerned and that
the Darwin private Hospital isn't just about private medicine, that
a healthy private hospital is a pressure release valve for
the public system. Now the Chief Minister leafanocchi Airo joins
me on the show. Good morning to your chief Minister.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Good morning Kadian to her listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Now, Chief Minister, have you been briefed on this situation
and where are things that from your perspective when it
comes to health Scope.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah, certainly, Minister Edgington has been on the phone all
we can, both to our federal counterparts but also to
health Scope.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
There's no certainty around.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
What will happen, but we are, you know, expecting something.
I just want people to be rest assured that if
Healthscope do go into administration. They will then continue business
as usual. It's only then what happens after that point.
And at this point, and Minister Edgington wrote to the
Federal Minister last week, there needs to be a total
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relook at private health in this country and particularly in
the regions and Healthscope. If they do go into administration,
it won't just be us that it affects, but we
undoubtedly it will be the ones who feel the most
profound impact. And so we're calling on the federal government
to take a look at the regions because we don't
want the regions suffering. Now, if in Sydney twenty Healthscope
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hospitals close, probably no one would even notice because there's
probably another hundred more, Katie. But when one hospital closes
in Darwin, that's.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
You will have a profound effect. You've said just then
that you've got no certainty at this point in time,
So realistically, you know, we could see health Scope going
to administration and effectively the private hospital change the way
that it's operating. I know you and certainly health insiders
are being told that you know, the hospital will continue
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to operate as normal, but there's really no guarantee.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Of that, is there? When they're in admitted.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
When a company goes into administration, it continues to operate
to try and get out of the situation. That's what
administration means. If it was receivership or something else, then
that's different. And look, I don't know, so it could
end up down that road. But what best case scenario
would be if they do go into administration that then
it is sold quickly or whatever, or they trade out
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of it and we can continue on with services as usual.
But we are calling on the federal government to have
an extremely close watchful eye on this and be ready
to launch if it happens.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
So from the conversations that the Health Minister, Steve Edgington
has had over the weekend, and we might try and
get him on the show tomorrow, but from the conversations
that you have had, how soon could this happen?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
It could happen today, Katie em braced and ready. We
don't want this to happen. But I think it's been
no surprise to anyone that Healthscope have been winding back
and pulling out. So look, what will happen will happen.
What's most important is that we are ready to respond.
And again, this is a federal government issue in terms
of what does health look like in the regions, and
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we are just too remote to fob this off as
another private company pulling out. This is a major health
institution for the territory and securing its futures of critical importance.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Chief Minister. Health insiders are saying to us that a
healthy private hospital is a pressure release veilve for the
public system, and the public system cannot handle more pressure
at the moment. What do you say to those listening
this morning that is seriously concerned, those that have private
health and are wondering what this is going to look
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like for them exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
And people will be wondering, what's the point of paying
private health if I've got no access to services? And
that's a great question. So I think as an industry
they need to be looking at this as well, because
the potential to lose their customer base here is huge.
So this is a major issue. We don't need more
pressure on RDIE hah. If we had to, of course,
we could ramp up, and no one is going to
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be turned away if they need health support. But what
we wanted a strong private hospital. And I've talked a
lot before Katie in relation to maternity services, about how
this provides choice for people, It helps us retain our
population and grow our population. It's one of those things
some people look too in deciding to live.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Or move here.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
So it's critically important for a number of reasons, not
just the obvious one being that we need the beds
to deliver health services.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
All right, we're going to move along and i'll tell
you what the tech signs already lining up. We've lots
of questions for you this morning. But on Friday, we
spoke to the Mey Liz Clark in Catherine after we've
learned on the show last week that Woolwards and Catherine
would be reducing their opening hours in an effort to
keep customers and staff safe following what they've described. It
really is a flare up of issues in the top
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end town. Now. The mayor had told us on the
show on Friday that the bottle shops are now open
later in the evening than the supermarket and the issues
had become worse without Pally's on the bottle shops. So
I mean, first off, you must be pretty worried that town's,
you know, a town like Catherine, that the major supermarket
is having to take this step because they're concerned about
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the safety of this staff and their customers.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Absolutely, it is just a disgraceful situation and again it
deprives choice for people. It puts the rights of offenders
above people's rights to do something as fundamentally basic, Katie
as going to the shop.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I mean, this is what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
It is just obscene, really, but that is the mess
we've inherited that we're working through. I want to actually
thank the team of cops in Catherine. They've done some
really massive pushes into proactive policing and that's why we're
seeing you know, for example, we've had three hundred and
thirty two bend drink or orders issued across April, which
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is a massive increase if you compare that to February
of just seventy three. So our team down there are
doing really good proactive work and we're sending fifteen more
police to them in about two weeks time, which will
make a huge difference. But we recognize that there's still
terrible behavior taking place and a lot of it's around growth.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Obviously, those fifteen additional police will hopefully have an impact,
will that mean that you're able to get Palis back
on bottle shops.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I would suspect I would believe that that means it
gives a much greater opportunity. That's a big chunk of
resourcing to go to cashrop.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
All right, because the mayor had said on the show
on Friday that they need Palis back on bottle shops
and there needs to be a review into the opening
hours for takeaway outlets. Are you prepared to do either
of those things?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
So we do have police on some of the bottle shops,
not just not all, and I accept that obviously that
creates a gap in terms of operating hours. You know,
everything's on the table. But I know Joe Hersey, the
local member, the liquor record in cash and weren't scheduled
to meet for a few more weeks. She's asked them
to bring that forward because industry need to be leading
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the charge here and they need to be assessing what's
happening in their premises in Catherine and making the right decision.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I understand that every business is trying to operate effectively
and efficiently, whether it's a bottle shop, whether it's a supermarket,
but isn't it a bit ridiculous that then the supermarket
is open fully sales and a bottle shop.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Well, look, I don't know, Katie, I don't know how
that translates right across the territory. It might actually be
quite normal, But I fully accept that if people in
Catherine don't want bottle shops open that late, then then
it's something we can look at. But the accord meeting
and having that discussion is the next important step.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And Joe Hersey has brought that song. So when's that happening.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
It must be this week or next week, because this
was a week or two ago that Joe organized that,
so it must be soon.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I mean, surely it needs to happen over the next
couple of days if you've got a town screaming out
for help exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Now, there's a number of people who would be part
of the Catherine Accord. I don't I don't know who
the chair is or what the mascinations are, but certainly
community solutions are the best. So if that community accord
comes together and makes a decision, then or power to them.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I mean surely the mayor calling for it as well
would have an impact, right.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, so I'm sure I can get you
the date of that accord.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I don't have it on me, but I know it
has been called.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Are you Are you going to be heading to Catherine
at some stage in the near future to get a
closer idea for yourself of how things are tracking.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yeah, I can't remember when my next date in Catherine is. Katie,
certainly I'll be there for the show which is coming
up in July. And you know, you keep a watching
brief across you know, right across the Northern Territory. We
I also ask for as a whole of government for
data to be pulled on you know, why are we
seeing some of these spikes? And I know in Catherine
there was footy funerals and royalties and so that may
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have had likely had an impact over that month of April.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
But we're keeping a very close eye on it well.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
And it doesn't seem as though it's limited to Cathron.
I mean, certainly in Alice Springs. It seems as though
there is a lot of visitors to town. We'd heard
from police anecdotally that royalty payments had been made, some
people traveling in from remote communities where alcohol is not
allowed into the town centers. I mean even if you
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look at it, Darwin, at the moment, there certainly seems
to be an increase in rough sleepers. What work is
happening in terms of returning people to country? I mean,
does that still happen. Does Larichie are up here in
the top end for example, still have their return to
country program?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah? They do.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
And I actually went out with Larachia Nation a couple
of Friday nights ago just to be in the van
with the team seeing how they deal with the issue,
and it was fantastic.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
They did a really great job.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
And so we're working with Larak here, we're working with
other NGOs to look at how we can help manage
this and what else is needed. We've also got their
review into the band drink a register. Consultation on alcohol
mandatory treatment is also happening, Katie. So there's lots of
week to be done. Let's not forget when it comes
to royalty. So again, this is something I've been calling
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on the federal government to help us deal with because
royalties is a federal issue. The Central Land Council they
actually provide police with a calendar of royalty so police
can be prepared, but the Northern Land Council don't. So
in the top end we see police being blindsided when
royalty payments come in and that means we operationally can't
move police to where they might need to be.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So it's just a call out for the Northern Land
Council to provide those days.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
So it's something I want to continue to work with
the federal government on and you have to raise with
the Land Council as well.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
But there's a lot.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
More coordination that could be done which helps mitigate issues.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I mean, what further work is going to happen with
the land councilors as well? I think more broadly when
you have a look at some of the issues that
we're experiencing up here in the top end. And I
know that there was discussion about this after the tragedy
that we saw in night. I'd spoken on here with
Auntie Billa Waura Lee, who had said to me, Katie,
you know, we're distraught by what had happened on Larichia Lands.
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I've spoken to you about this to some degree already.
But at that same time, Michael Rodimer, the CEO of
Larichie Nation, had said that he'd be really keen to
work with all of the land councils and with you
and the Northern Territory government to try and make some
in roads here because it seems as though we've got
a small minority. And I will say it's a small
minority because the large proportion of our community does the
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right that's right, But you've got a small minority of
people that are traveling into town and they are coming
in and they're not doing the right things. So what
work can be done with those organizations, with those community
leaders to try and have an impact here.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeah, you're right, And I caught up with Michael Rodamo
from Lark here just last week, Katie, so that Aboriginal
leadership is really important. And most of the people causing trouble,
whether it be in Darwin, Catherine Alazo, it is visitors
coming in from communities and so then you have the
traditional owners like the Larakia saying hang on a second,
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you can't come here and disrespect our land and our community.
And so we've got to be working with the tos
across the territory to be strengthening that authority so that
they can be playing a role that I know they
really are keen to play. So there's lots of work
happening behind the scenes of what we can do, and
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obviously we're pushing ahead with our boot camps and all
sorts of other things. But at the end of the day,
people need to be held accountable. Part of this is
the reform we're doing in public housing as well. That's
a big piece of work Minister Edgington's doing around people
who are just absolutely disrespecting their opportunity to have a
home when there are vulnerable people on the wait list.
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So there's plenty to be done.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Chief Minister. We're getting smashed with messages. There's one from
KIV Good morning, Katie. Can you ask the Chief Minister
what's happened to the two kilometer drinking law?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yep, it's in got our nuisance public drinking laws. We
passed that on urgency in October last year.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
So Ryan, we're still seeing people drunk in public places.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Why do you reckon that is?
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, sure, it'll just be a police resourcing issue. But
I don't have the numbers on me actually, but I
had them for Parliament last week and we have seen
a significant number of infringement notices being issued I believe.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I think two.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
People have been put before the courts for nuisance public drinking,
so it is a tool that police have. Obviously there's
demand pressures on the police as well.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
All right, I've got one here that says, good morning Katie,
with Victoria announcing a machete ban. Can you ask the
Chief Minister if the Northern Territory's going to consider the site.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
No, we're not considering a machete ban. And I think
this is just a slippery slope to you. Next thing,
you know, no one will be having knives and forks
at home and will all be.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Eating no with a spoon.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
It's just you know, where do you take this? People
need machetes for all sorts of legitimate reasons. And again,
we won't be punishing innocent people because of the behavior
of a few. What we want to do is crack
down on those who break the law and deliver consequences
for people who do the wrong thing.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
All right, Scott.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
In anuler of message last week, he said, Katie, that
land cruise that was stolen and winked to what air
was being displayed as a trophy on a well known
gag social media page. Can you please ask the Chief
Minister how many people have been convicted and jailed under
the posting and boasting laws?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
That one from Scott in anuler.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah, great, Scott, And again I don't have the exact
data but from memory, and I will have to just
fact check this in my team. I think it's about
ten are before the court, so I'll have to just
fact check that number. But there is a sizable number
that have been charged and being put before the courts.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Okay, Warrick and Catherine's called about the problem drunks. He
says he is sick of quick fixes. He says, one
hundred percent quarantine welfare payments and it should solve the
problems the drinking, the sly grog children being neglected and
not cared for. What do you think?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I'm with you, Warick. How do we get the fedsive
bloody agree, that's the trouble. So one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
That's part of a big push I've been doing since
we won about you know, referrals and the income management.
We do have a working group between the federal government
and our government now working through all of that, but
they are quite resistant to lifting this threshold.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
But it's work in progress. And I keep raising it.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
We've just had an update, so the Liquor Record is
going to meet on.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
The third of June. Thanks, just let us know.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
So the third of June is that soon enough?
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Well, look, I think it could have been a week ago,
but it's probably half a dozen or more people they've
got to pull together. So it's better having an effective
meeting than just having a rushed one that doesn't deliver
an outcome. And I think people will wait to see
what their contribution will be to driving down the alcohol
fueled harm. We're seeing all right, Chief Minister.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I know your press for time. I've still got a
couple of things to get through. I want to ask
about this referral by the Opposition of the Waterfront Corporation
to the Public Accounts Committee. The Waterfront Boards say they
welcome that referral and since their inception they have been
and continue to be subject to annual audits by the
Northern Territory.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Order to General.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Is the government going to accept that referral? So?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
The Public Accounts Committee is a bipartisan committee of the Parliament,
so it's not a matter for government to get involved
with that. I imagine they will, particularly given dull And
Waterfront a very keen to participate and have vehemently denied
the claims made by the opposition leader. I mean, it's
interesting to note she was offered a briefing by the
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dal And Waterfront Corporation and didn't take that up.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
So I imagine that will all.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
But so you don't have to accept that referral or
the Finocchio government. No government representative needs to accept that referral.
The Public Accounts Committee has to accept it.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
So the Public Accounts Committee is made up of three
government and opposition and a non government member and they
are the ones who receive referrals and then they're the
ones that make the decision. So I imagine Clinton Howe
is the chair of that committee, and I imagine that
that will all take place. And you know, ultimately, we've
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just had two weeks in Parliament and the Opposition have
spent more time throwing mud on public servants than they
have prosecuting the major issues facing the territory.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Do you think that the Attorney General should just make
the review which had previously been undertaken. I believe that
she had then referred to should that just be made public?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Well, look again that's a matter for her. It's not
something I'm involved with. But now that the Opposition leader
has referred this to the Public Accounts Committee and the
corporation would like to be part of that process, I
think it's just a no brainer that that's going to
take place.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Do you have any idea when, like when we could
expect that to go to the Public Accounts Committee?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
No, I don't. I'm sorry, I don't know their schedule,
all right.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I mean, look, you know, I think it's very obvious
to anybody listening this morning. Obviously, I've said on numerous
occasions my husband is the chair of the Darlin Waterfront Corporation.
He certainly wore at the time when these accusations have
been made. It's well known obviously that your husband is
also employed by the Darwin Waterfront Corporation. Chief Minister, do
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you feel that this has been a muck raking exercise
by the opposition in an effort to try to bring
you down?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
I think absolutely, Katie, And ultimately it is unprofessional gutter
politics at its worst. You have an Opposition leader making
up accusations in Parliament while she didn't even accept a
briefing to get the facts. And I mean she was
on your show last week not even knowing what her
own accusations were. I mean, it's just quite extraordinary. But
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you know the process is underway now and you know
the Waterfront has denied the claims.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
All right, there's plenty of other messages coming through. Pete's
just message. She's got a question for you. Is the
Northern Territory government going to introduce a castle law within
the Northern Territory so people and defend themselves without getting
legal blowback.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Look, it is something we have looked at.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
We looked at it from opposition and we have looked
at again in government in a very high level way.
I don't think it's something we will pursue, but we
have turned own mind to what else needs to be
done to give people certainty around their rights to protect themselves.
And so we're doing some more work on that and
should have some more announcements on that over the coming months.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
All right, Chief Finister, Another one here, Emilio and Rapidcreig
hi Ktie. This footage at the nightcliff units next to
the police station is like a war zone, so he's
obviously sent some footage through. It's horrible to say that,
but people are not acting in a way that is acceptable.
This would not happen in another country. He reckons that
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these units, what is going on there is out of control.
Is that something that your government is going to be
looking into. I mean what can be done? Some of
these are public housing, some of them some of them aren't.
You know, there's all some residence. Is my understanding is
in the Nightcliff area that there's some real issues with
what further can happen in that Nightcliff area?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Yes, so our review into public housing and how we're
going to deliver you know, firmer tendency management, kick people
out who are just completely abusing the system. That should
all be happening very soon and I think that will
see a big clamp down, particularly on those problem territory
housing unit blocks.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
You know, they're well known.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
There's some behind us here Katie at at Sin City
and Palmerston, you know John Stoke Square to name a few.
So they're well known to everyone, let alone the police
and housing.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
And we're very, very.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Keen to make sure vulnerable people have a home and
not people who are you using it as an opportunity
to destroy other people's lives so that should deal with
part of it, and you know, the remaining part is
making sure that we're doing all of that other work,
alcohol policing, you know, economy is out in the bush,
all of that bigger.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Stuff, Chief Minister. Just finally this morning, I want to
ask you about this situation with voluntary euthanasia. There was
an independent review into this last year. Why is it
now being referred to a committee?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
So I think there's some confusion around this.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
So the previous Labor government didn't do anything for eight
years right before the election they had a committee.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Didn't though when the federal government, like we had to
actually have that federal step had that's true off as.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Well, that's true.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
But they could have done all the consultation, they could
have drafted a bill like there's plenty they could have
done so, and they didn't.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
So then they report was dropped.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
I think it was June July, right before the elections
that Labour could say, oh, we can't do anything, there's
an election. We've now picked that up by month nine.
Now it's absolutely not a priority of our government. I've
been very cleary because we got elected to reduce crime.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Did you did There's no doubt about that. But you know,
this is a situation. This is something that every day
when I come in, people of contact showed me about it,
and you know, so I understand that people feel really differently.
Everybody's views might be really different when it comes to
voluntary assisted dying. But at the end of the day,
voluntary is the word that needs to be looked into.
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This is not something that we're forcing upon people. You know,
I know when I watched my dad die, he wouldn't
have chosen to go down this path, but it should
have been his choice.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
So what I was gonna say, Katie is we were
very clear that this was not a priority for us.
We did not take it to the election. No one
had any expectation that it would be something we dealt
with urgently. My point is that already in nine months
we've been able to get through substantial economic and law
and order reform that we can now look at this issue,
which is something that was not you know, it's not
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in our We're dealing with a crisis response as a
new government. So we've brought ed forward and sent it
to a bipartisan committee to do the work that the
previous report didn't quite get to so that we can
have a fulsome proper conversation with people right across the
territory about what this would look like, what the no
go zones are, how this impacts particularly people living in
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the bush because the previous consultation was very town focused.
And once that's done, and this is only going to
take until September, this is not you know, a year's.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I get that.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
But if you've got a family member that's in palliative
care at the moment, that is going through the heartbreak,
you know, the heartbreaking situation that you go through, and
we know our palliative care teams do an incredible job.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
But if you've got.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Somebody that is lying in a bit at the moment
who doesn't have that choice, you can understand why it
is absolutely something that they want you to look at urgently.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
That's right, and it just can't be done urgently. This
this is about. It's a very difficult issue.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
You cannot just whip up legislation overnight and create this framework.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
So how quickly do you reckon this is going to
be in the Parliament And it's either are you expecting
it to be a conscience vote or what are you're
expecting this to look.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Like so it will certainly be a conscience vote. The
CLP have said that for our members, Labor have said
that for their members, and so what this opportunity does
is allow every MLA to go out to their community
and understand what their community wants, because a conscience vote
is not a vote of the member of Parliament, it's
a vote of the community. The report would be done
in September if they believe we should proceed. It will
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have drafting instructions for Parliamentary Council, which means because Parliamentary
Council can't start drafting unless they have drafting instructions, so
that will already be done by September and then really
it's just it depends on how long these things take
to draft.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
It could be months.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
All right, Chief Minister, we are gonna have to leave
it there. Thank you was always for your time this morning.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Thank you and take care everyone,
Now, as I mentioned in the opener, we are hearing
that health Scope could go into administration as early as today.
Now it is unconfirmed, but doctors say that they've received
emails saying the hospital has been financially ring fenced in
an effort to keep them running, But they have nothing
official to support that that is going to happen at
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this point in time. Doctors and healthcare professionals telling us
here this morning that they are very concerned and that
the Darwin private Hospital isn't just about private medicine, that
a healthy private hospital is a pressure release valve for
the public system. Now the Chief Minister leafanocchi Airo joins
me on the show. Good morning to your chief Minister.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Good morning Kadian to her listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Now, Chief Minister, have you been briefed on this situation
and where are things that from your perspective when it
comes to health Scope.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah, certainly, Minister Edgington has been on the phone all
we can, both to our federal counterparts but also to
health Scope.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
There's no certainty around.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
What will happen, but we are, you know, expecting something.
I just want people to be rest assured that if
Healthscope do go into administration. They will then continue business
as usual. It's only then what happens after that point.
And at this point, and Minister Edgington wrote to the
Federal Minister last week, there needs to be a total
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relook at private health in this country and particularly in
the regions and Healthscope. If they do go into administration,
it won't just be us that it affects, but we
undoubtedly it will be the ones who feel the most
profound impact. And so we're calling on the federal government
to take a look at the regions because we don't
want the regions suffering. Now, if in Sydney twenty Healthscope
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hospitals close, probably no one would even notice because there's
probably another hundred more, Katie. But when one hospital closes
in Darwin, that's.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
You will have a profound effect. You've said just then
that you've got no certainty at this point in time,
So realistically, you know, we could see health Scope going
to administration and effectively the private hospital change the way
that it's operating. I know you and certainly health insiders
are being told that you know, the hospital will continue
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to operate as normal, but there's really no guarantee.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Of that, is there? When they're in admitted.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
When a company goes into administration, it continues to operate
to try and get out of the situation. That's what
administration means. If it was receivership or something else, then
that's different. And look, I don't know, so it could
end up down that road. But what best case scenario
would be if they do go into administration that then
it is sold quickly or whatever, or they trade out
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of it and we can continue on with services as usual.
But we are calling on the federal government to have
an extremely close watchful eye on this and be ready
to launch if it happens.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
So from the conversations that the Health Minister, Steve Edgington
has had over the weekend, and we might try and
get him on the show tomorrow, but from the conversations
that you have had, how soon could this happen?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
It could happen today, Katie em braced and ready. We
don't want this to happen. But I think it's been
no surprise to anyone that Healthscope have been winding back
and pulling out. So look, what will happen will happen.
What's most important is that we are ready to respond.
And again, this is a federal government issue in terms
of what does health look like in the regions, and
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we are just too remote to fob this off as
another private company pulling out. This is a major health
institution for the territory and securing its futures of critical importance.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Chief Minister. Health insiders are saying to us that a
healthy private hospital is a pressure release veilve for the
public system, and the public system cannot handle more pressure
at the moment. What do you say to those listening
this morning that is seriously concerned, those that have private
health and are wondering what this is going to look
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like for them exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
And people will be wondering, what's the point of paying
private health if I've got no access to services? And
that's a great question. So I think as an industry
they need to be looking at this as well, because
the potential to lose their customer base here is huge.
So this is a major issue. We don't need more
pressure on RDIE hah. If we had to, of course,
we could ramp up, and no one is going to
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be turned away if they need health support. But what
we wanted a strong private hospital. And I've talked a
lot before Katie in relation to maternity services, about how
this provides choice for people, It helps us retain our
population and grow our population. It's one of those things
some people look too in deciding to live.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Or move here.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
So it's critically important for a number of reasons, not
just the obvious one being that we need the beds
to deliver health services.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
All right, we're going to move along and i'll tell
you what the tech signs already lining up. We've lots
of questions for you this morning. But on Friday, we
spoke to the Mey Liz Clark in Catherine after we've
learned on the show last week that Woolwards and Catherine
would be reducing their opening hours in an effort to
keep customers and staff safe following what they've described. It
really is a flare up of issues in the top
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end town. Now. The mayor had told us on the
show on Friday that the bottle shops are now open
later in the evening than the supermarket and the issues
had become worse without Pally's on the bottle shops. So
I mean, first off, you must be pretty worried that town's,
you know, a town like Catherine, that the major supermarket
is having to take this step because they're concerned about
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the safety of this staff and their customers.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Absolutely, it is just a disgraceful situation and again it
deprives choice for people. It puts the rights of offenders
above people's rights to do something as fundamentally basic, Katie
as going to the shop.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I mean, this is what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
It is just obscene, really, but that is the mess
we've inherited that we're working through. I want to actually
thank the team of cops in Catherine. They've done some
really massive pushes into proactive policing and that's why we're
seeing you know, for example, we've had three hundred and
thirty two bend drink or orders issued across April, which
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is a massive increase if you compare that to February
of just seventy three. So our team down there are
doing really good proactive work and we're sending fifteen more
police to them in about two weeks time, which will
make a huge difference. But we recognize that there's still
terrible behavior taking place and a lot of it's around growth.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Obviously, those fifteen additional police will hopefully have an impact,
will that mean that you're able to get Palis back
on bottle shops.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I would suspect I would believe that that means it
gives a much greater opportunity. That's a big chunk of
resourcing to go to cashrop.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
All right, because the mayor had said on the show
on Friday that they need Palis back on bottle shops
and there needs to be a review into the opening
hours for takeaway outlets. Are you prepared to do either
of those things?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
So we do have police on some of the bottle shops,
not just not all, and I accept that obviously that
creates a gap in terms of operating hours. You know,
everything's on the table. But I know Joe Hersey, the
local member, the liquor record in cash and weren't scheduled
to meet for a few more weeks. She's asked them
to bring that forward because industry need to be leading
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the charge here and they need to be assessing what's
happening in their premises in Catherine and making the right decision.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I understand that every business is trying to operate effectively
and efficiently, whether it's a bottle shop, whether it's a supermarket,
but isn't it a bit ridiculous that then the supermarket
is open fully sales and a bottle shop.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Well, look, I don't know, Katie, I don't know how
that translates right across the territory. It might actually be
quite normal, But I fully accept that if people in
Catherine don't want bottle shops open that late, then then
it's something we can look at. But the accord meeting
and having that discussion is the next important step.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And Joe Hersey has brought that song. So when's that happening.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
It must be this week or next week, because this
was a week or two ago that Joe organized that,
so it must be soon.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I mean, surely it needs to happen over the next
couple of days if you've got a town screaming out
for help exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Now, there's a number of people who would be part
of the Catherine Accord. I don't I don't know who
the chair is or what the mascinations are, but certainly
community solutions are the best. So if that community accord
comes together and makes a decision, then or power to them.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I mean surely the mayor calling for it as well
would have an impact, right.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, so I'm sure I can get you
the date of that accord.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I don't have it on me, but I know it
has been called.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Are you Are you going to be heading to Catherine
at some stage in the near future to get a
closer idea for yourself of how things are tracking.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yeah, I can't remember when my next date in Catherine is. Katie,
certainly I'll be there for the show which is coming
up in July. And you know, you keep a watching
brief across you know, right across the Northern Territory. We
I also ask for as a whole of government for
data to be pulled on you know, why are we
seeing some of these spikes? And I know in Catherine
there was footy funerals and royalties and so that may
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have had likely had an impact over that month of April.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
But we're keeping a very close eye on it well.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
And it doesn't seem as though it's limited to Cathron.
I mean, certainly in Alice Springs. It seems as though
there is a lot of visitors to town. We'd heard
from police anecdotally that royalty payments had been made, some
people traveling in from remote communities where alcohol is not
allowed into the town centers. I mean even if you
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look at it, Darwin, at the moment, there certainly seems
to be an increase in rough sleepers. What work is
happening in terms of returning people to country? I mean,
does that still happen. Does Larichie are up here in
the top end for example, still have their return to
country program?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah? They do.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
And I actually went out with Larachia Nation a couple
of Friday nights ago just to be in the van
with the team seeing how they deal with the issue,
and it was fantastic.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
They did a really great job.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
And so we're working with Larak here, we're working with
other NGOs to look at how we can help manage
this and what else is needed. We've also got their
review into the band drink a register. Consultation on alcohol
mandatory treatment is also happening, Katie. So there's lots of
week to be done. Let's not forget when it comes
to royalty. So again, this is something I've been calling
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on the federal government to help us deal with because
royalties is a federal issue. The Central Land Council they
actually provide police with a calendar of royalty so police
can be prepared, but the Northern Land Council don't. So
in the top end we see police being blindsided when
royalty payments come in and that means we operationally can't
move police to where they might need to be.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So it's just a call out for the Northern Land
Council to provide those days.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
So it's something I want to continue to work with
the federal government on and you have to raise with
the Land Council as well.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
But there's a lot.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
More coordination that could be done which helps mitigate issues.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I mean, what further work is going to happen with
the land councilors as well? I think more broadly when
you have a look at some of the issues that
we're experiencing up here in the top end. And I
know that there was discussion about this after the tragedy
that we saw in night. I'd spoken on here with
Auntie Billa Waura Lee, who had said to me, Katie,
you know, we're distraught by what had happened on Larichia Lands.
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I've spoken to you about this to some degree already.
But at that same time, Michael Rodimer, the CEO of
Larichie Nation, had said that he'd be really keen to
work with all of the land councils and with you
and the Northern Territory government to try and make some
in roads here because it seems as though we've got
a small minority. And I will say it's a small
minority because the large proportion of our community does the
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right that's right, But you've got a small minority of
people that are traveling into town and they are coming
in and they're not doing the right things. So what
work can be done with those organizations, with those community
leaders to try and have an impact here.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeah, you're right, And I caught up with Michael Rodamo
from Lark here just last week, Katie, so that Aboriginal
leadership is really important. And most of the people causing trouble,
whether it be in Darwin, Catherine Alazo, it is visitors
coming in from communities and so then you have the
traditional owners like the Larakia saying hang on a second,
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you can't come here and disrespect our land and our community.
And so we've got to be working with the tos
across the territory to be strengthening that authority so that
they can be playing a role that I know they
really are keen to play. So there's lots of work
happening behind the scenes of what we can do, and
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obviously we're pushing ahead with our boot camps and all
sorts of other things. But at the end of the day,
people need to be held accountable. Part of this is
the reform we're doing in public housing as well. That's
a big piece of work Minister Edgington's doing around people
who are just absolutely disrespecting their opportunity to have a
home when there are vulnerable people on the wait list.
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So there's plenty to be done.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Chief Minister. We're getting smashed with messages. There's one from
KIV Good morning, Katie. Can you ask the Chief Minister
what's happened to the two kilometer drinking law?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yep, it's in got our nuisance public drinking laws. We
passed that on urgency in October last year.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
So Ryan, we're still seeing people drunk in public places.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Why do you reckon that is?
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, sure, it'll just be a police resourcing issue. But
I don't have the numbers on me actually, but I
had them for Parliament last week and we have seen
a significant number of infringement notices being issued I believe.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I think two.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
People have been put before the courts for nuisance public drinking,
so it is a tool that police have. Obviously there's
demand pressures on the police as well.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
All right, I've got one here that says, good morning Katie,
with Victoria announcing a machete ban. Can you ask the
Chief Minister if the Northern Territory's going to consider the site.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
No, we're not considering a machete ban. And I think
this is just a slippery slope to you. Next thing,
you know, no one will be having knives and forks
at home and will all be.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Eating no with a spoon.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
It's just you know, where do you take this? People
need machetes for all sorts of legitimate reasons. And again,
we won't be punishing innocent people because of the behavior
of a few. What we want to do is crack
down on those who break the law and deliver consequences
for people who do the wrong thing.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
All right, Scott.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
In anuler of message last week, he said, Katie, that
land cruise that was stolen and winked to what air
was being displayed as a trophy on a well known
gag social media page. Can you please ask the Chief
Minister how many people have been convicted and jailed under
the posting and boasting laws?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
That one from Scott in anuler.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah, great, Scott, And again I don't have the exact
data but from memory, and I will have to just
fact check this in my team. I think it's about
ten are before the court, so I'll have to just
fact check that number. But there is a sizable number
that have been charged and being put before the courts.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Okay, Warrick and Catherine's called about the problem drunks. He
says he is sick of quick fixes. He says, one
hundred percent quarantine welfare payments and it should solve the
problems the drinking, the sly grog children being neglected and
not cared for. What do you think?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I'm with you, Warick. How do we get the fedsive
bloody agree, that's the trouble. So one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
That's part of a big push I've been doing since
we won about you know, referrals and the income management.
We do have a working group between the federal government
and our government now working through all of that, but
they are quite resistant to lifting this threshold.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
But it's work in progress. And I keep raising it.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
We've just had an update, so the Liquor Record is
going to meet on.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
The third of June. Thanks, just let us know.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
So the third of June is that soon enough?
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Well, look, I think it could have been a week ago,
but it's probably half a dozen or more people they've
got to pull together. So it's better having an effective
meeting than just having a rushed one that doesn't deliver
an outcome. And I think people will wait to see
what their contribution will be to driving down the alcohol
fueled harm. We're seeing all right, Chief Minister.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I know your press for time. I've still got a
couple of things to get through. I want to ask
about this referral by the Opposition of the Waterfront Corporation
to the Public Accounts Committee. The Waterfront Boards say they
welcome that referral and since their inception they have been
and continue to be subject to annual audits by the
Northern Territory.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Order to General.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Is the government going to accept that referral? So?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
The Public Accounts Committee is a bipartisan committee of the Parliament,
so it's not a matter for government to get involved
with that. I imagine they will, particularly given dull And
Waterfront a very keen to participate and have vehemently denied
the claims made by the opposition leader. I mean, it's
interesting to note she was offered a briefing by the
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dal And Waterfront Corporation and didn't take that up.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
So I imagine that will all.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
But so you don't have to accept that referral or
the Finocchio government. No government representative needs to accept that referral.
The Public Accounts Committee has to accept it.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
So the Public Accounts Committee is made up of three
government and opposition and a non government member and they
are the ones who receive referrals and then they're the
ones that make the decision. So I imagine Clinton Howe
is the chair of that committee, and I imagine that
that will all take place. And you know, ultimately, we've
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just had two weeks in Parliament and the Opposition have
spent more time throwing mud on public servants than they
have prosecuting the major issues facing the territory.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Do you think that the Attorney General should just make
the review which had previously been undertaken. I believe that
she had then referred to should that just be made public?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Well, look again that's a matter for her. It's not
something I'm involved with. But now that the Opposition leader
has referred this to the Public Accounts Committee and the
corporation would like to be part of that process, I
think it's just a no brainer that that's going to
take place.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Do you have any idea when, like when we could
expect that to go to the Public Accounts Committee?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
No, I don't. I'm sorry, I don't know their schedule,
all right.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I mean, look, you know, I think it's very obvious
to anybody listening this morning. Obviously, I've said on numerous
occasions my husband is the chair of the Darlin Waterfront Corporation.
He certainly wore at the time when these accusations have
been made. It's well known obviously that your husband is
also employed by the Darwin Waterfront Corporation. Chief Minister, do
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you feel that this has been a muck raking exercise
by the opposition in an effort to try to bring
you down?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
I think absolutely, Katie, And ultimately it is unprofessional gutter
politics at its worst. You have an Opposition leader making
up accusations in Parliament while she didn't even accept a
briefing to get the facts. And I mean she was
on your show last week not even knowing what her
own accusations were. I mean, it's just quite extraordinary. But
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you know the process is underway now and you know
the Waterfront has denied the claims.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
All right, there's plenty of other messages coming through. Pete's
just message. She's got a question for you. Is the
Northern Territory government going to introduce a castle law within
the Northern Territory so people and defend themselves without getting
legal blowback.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Look, it is something we have looked at.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
We looked at it from opposition and we have looked
at again in government in a very high level way.
I don't think it's something we will pursue, but we
have turned own mind to what else needs to be
done to give people certainty around their rights to protect themselves.
And so we're doing some more work on that and
should have some more announcements on that over the coming months.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
All right, Chief Finister, Another one here, Emilio and Rapidcreig
hi Ktie. This footage at the nightcliff units next to
the police station is like a war zone, so he's
obviously sent some footage through. It's horrible to say that,
but people are not acting in a way that is acceptable.
This would not happen in another country. He reckons that
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these units, what is going on there is out of control.
Is that something that your government is going to be
looking into. I mean what can be done? Some of
these are public housing, some of them some of them aren't.
You know, there's all some residence. Is my understanding is
in the Nightcliff area that there's some real issues with
what further can happen in that Nightcliff area?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Yes, so our review into public housing and how we're
going to deliver you know, firmer tendency management, kick people
out who are just completely abusing the system. That should
all be happening very soon and I think that will
see a big clamp down, particularly on those problem territory
housing unit blocks.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
You know, they're well known.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
There's some behind us here Katie at at Sin City
and Palmerston, you know John Stoke Square to name a few.
So they're well known to everyone, let alone the police
and housing.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
And we're very, very.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Keen to make sure vulnerable people have a home and
not people who are you using it as an opportunity
to destroy other people's lives so that should deal with
part of it, and you know, the remaining part is
making sure that we're doing all of that other work,
alcohol policing, you know, economy is out in the bush,
all of that bigger.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Stuff, Chief Minister. Just finally this morning, I want to
ask you about this situation with voluntary euthanasia. There was
an independent review into this last year. Why is it
now being referred to a committee?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
So I think there's some confusion around this.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
So the previous Labor government didn't do anything for eight
years right before the election they had a committee.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Didn't though when the federal government, like we had to
actually have that federal step had that's true off as.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Well, that's true.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
But they could have done all the consultation, they could
have drafted a bill like there's plenty they could have
done so, and they didn't.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
So then they report was dropped.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
I think it was June July, right before the elections
that Labour could say, oh, we can't do anything, there's
an election. We've now picked that up by month nine.
Now it's absolutely not a priority of our government. I've
been very cleary because we got elected to reduce crime.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Did you did There's no doubt about that. But you know,
this is a situation. This is something that every day
when I come in, people of contact showed me about it,
and you know, so I understand that people feel really differently.
Everybody's views might be really different when it comes to
voluntary assisted dying. But at the end of the day,
voluntary is the word that needs to be looked into.
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This is not something that we're forcing upon people. You know,
I know when I watched my dad die, he wouldn't
have chosen to go down this path, but it should
have been his choice.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
So what I was gonna say, Katie is we were
very clear that this was not a priority for us.
We did not take it to the election. No one
had any expectation that it would be something we dealt
with urgently. My point is that already in nine months
we've been able to get through substantial economic and law
and order reform that we can now look at this issue,
which is something that was not you know, it's not
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in our We're dealing with a crisis response as a
new government. So we've brought ed forward and sent it
to a bipartisan committee to do the work that the
previous report didn't quite get to so that we can
have a fulsome proper conversation with people right across the
territory about what this would look like, what the no
go zones are, how this impacts particularly people living in
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the bush because the previous consultation was very town focused.
And once that's done, and this is only going to
take until September, this is not you know, a year's.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I get that.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
But if you've got a family member that's in palliative
care at the moment, that is going through the heartbreak,
you know, the heartbreaking situation that you go through, and
we know our palliative care teams do an incredible job.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
But if you've got.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Somebody that is lying in a bit at the moment
who doesn't have that choice, you can understand why it
is absolutely something that they want you to look at urgently.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
That's right, and it just can't be done urgently. This
this is about. It's a very difficult issue.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
You cannot just whip up legislation overnight and create this framework.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
So how quickly do you reckon this is going to
be in the Parliament And it's either are you expecting
it to be a conscience vote or what are you're
expecting this to look.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Like so it will certainly be a conscience vote. The
CLP have said that for our members, Labor have said
that for their members, and so what this opportunity does
is allow every MLA to go out to their community
and understand what their community wants, because a conscience vote
is not a vote of the member of Parliament, it's
a vote of the community. The report would be done
in September if they believe we should proceed. It will
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have drafting instructions for Parliamentary Council, which means because Parliamentary
Council can't start drafting unless they have drafting instructions, so
that will already be done by September and then really
it's just it depends on how long these things take
to draft.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
It could be months.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
All right, Chief Minister, we are gonna have to leave
it there. Thank you was always for your time this morning.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Thank you and take care everyone,
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