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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to mix one oh four point nine
three point sixty. Now we know family and community are
this morning grappling with the loss of a much loved man,
the owner of the Nightcliff Grosser, in what is a
senseless act of violence. The seventy one year old was
killed while working at the Nightcliff Friendly Grocer yesterday afternoon. Now,
(00:21):
the Northern Territory Police have now apprehended an eighteen year
old who had handed himself into the Palmerston Police station
and was taken into custody. Police have confirmed that alleged
defender was on bail with conditions to remain in a
remote Northern Territory community and did not have an electronic
monitoring bracelet on as a condition of that bail. Now
(00:45):
joining me in the studio is the Chief Minister of
the Northern Territory, Leofanocchiio. Good morning, Chief Minister, Oh.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Good morning Katie, and to your listeners and to every
territory and grieving today. It's an incredibly, incredibly sad time.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Chief Minister Win, did you first loan what had happened
in Nightcliff and what was your reaction?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, it was late yesterday afternoon and obviously just gut
wrenching devastation. And to think that another person went to
work yesterday and didn't come home, and another lost loved one,
another lost member of our community, a much loved, well known,
embedded part of the territory community, and it's just it
(01:29):
was just absolutely devastating, Katie.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Chief Minister. Have you spoken to the family.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yes, I've been in contact with Ben the Sun and
offered our sincereous and heartfelt condolences. I've obviously expressed anything
that we can do to support to let us know,
and obviously the family they did mention the outpouring of
love and support and then they feel just really surrounded
by that strength. And I thank Territorians for wrapping around
(01:59):
as territories do in our greatest time of need. So
you know, they need time to grieve and process the
shock and horror of what has happened, but we stand
with them in solidarity.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I mean the fact that a seventy one year old
man went to work in his place of business yesterday
and is now not going to be going home to
his wife, Margaret of fifty one years, his children, his
seven grandchildren, and I'll use Margaret's words here she said,
(02:33):
this is so hurtful. An eighteen year old kid has
done this in a dreadful moment of anger because he
was confronted with theft. It's a level of violence that
we as a territory I think have become way too
accustomed to. Some of what we have dealt with in
(02:56):
the last month alone is heartbreaking. Spoken on this show
on numerous occasions about the absolutely devastating situation that Trevor
Miller Palmerston residency after allegedly being very seriously injured lucky
to be alive after two teenagers allegedly invaded his home.
(03:16):
I mean, just yesterday I read out a pressure release
from the Northern Territory Police in Catherine where a woman
a senior territory and had to hold people out of
her home with a shovel. It's disgusting behavior. And now
to see that this grandfather is not going home like
it's so heartbreaking on so many levels.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I think people today are thinking, how has this happened again?
When is enough going to be enough? What needs to
be done to address this? Why is there this level
of extreme violence? And it's not okay? And I think
every single territory and has woken up today just thinking,
(04:00):
going wholeheartedly, how totally unacceptable. This is how no one
deserves to live like this. And you know, Katie, I
reinforced last night in my message to territories that I
put out on Facebook that you know, we will do
whatever it takes. We've done a lot, It's nowhere near enough.
We've always said that. And straight after this interview, Katie,
(04:20):
I'll be back at Parliament House with the Deputy Chief
Minister and Attorney General in in urgent briefing around what
can we do next, What leavers can we pull immediately?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
What leavers do you think we can pull, our Chief Minister,
because again I will say, the community's expectation is that
this has to get sorted.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
It does have to get sorted. It's just fundamental to everything.
You can't have a strong economy, you can't have a
great lifestyle if law and order hangs over people's heads
every single day. And so you know we're looking particularly
around bail. Obviously police made it known this morning that
the person was on bail, so it's certainly looking at that.
(05:00):
There's limited detail.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Unfortunately understanding and look, I will try my best to
get this confirmed. But my understanding is that this person
was on Supreme Court bail, which indicates to me that
they have previously committed a serious offense.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, that's my understanding to Katie. And so police are
doing metia at ten thirty, I believe, and will be
able to provide more detail.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
How on earth are we in a situation where somebody
who has presumably and I don't want to overstep the
boundary here, but.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, we're making a lot of assumptions, but yes, that.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Somebody that's on bail can then be well, how is
it that somebody can be bailed without an electronic monitoring
device to a community and then able to come back
to Darwin and allegedly kill someone? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Great, fantastic question. I'm asking the same question myself, as
is probably every single one of your listeners nodding and
frustrated at the car radio right now, Katie. It's it's
a really challenging space, but we are absolutely determined. So
we're in urgent talks around that this morning, turning our
mind to a range of options, including of course, removing
(06:13):
detention as a last resort for youth offenders. So we
need a bit more detail to be able to make
sure that our response is targeted and going to hit
the mark. But I will have more absolutely later to
say later today.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
So some will be asking this morning if if Declan's
Law and the changes that were implemented are working, if
somebody has been able to be bailed in this way.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yes, and that is a great question as well. Declan's
Law is certainly having a really good impact. Now it's
not a one hundred percent strike rate system, as is
no law unfortunately, but we have seen really fantastic numbers
of knives been taken out of circulation. We've seen those
bail numbers reduced, so it is working again. I don't
(07:00):
have enough detail to know what the situation of this
offender was and whether Declan's Law had any interaction with it,
but there's always more you can do. I mean, you
and I KT have talked a lot about all of
the reforms we've got.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Even we're working.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I'm talking about it we did not just days ago.
We're talking about exactly. So I'm looking at what once
I know more about the situation, I'm looking at what
targeted response we can deploy immediately today. Though you will
see high visibility policing, I want absolute reassurance, particularly for
retail workers, that they are safe. Police did a great
(07:33):
job last night. They mobilized every available officer, dog, you
name it to find the alleged defender and so that
person is now in custody. But there's a lot more
work to do and police will update the community at
ten thirty, Chief.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Benes So, I know you are princes for time and
you've got to get to a meeting, but I want
to ask you. I mean, last night I had people
say to me the government needs to double down, that
legislation has to change so that no one who commits
a violent offense can be bailed and people need to
be held to account for offending. On the other hand,
I had a person say to me, the government's approach
(08:10):
is not working a Nightcliff has been on a downward
spiral for months, with bad behavior experienced regularly. I mean,
the reality here is you've got some in the community,
I would say the majority, really wanting you to double
down and stop this entirely. You've got others who think
you've got the wrong approach. Which approach you're going to take? Oh?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Will we taking double down? Katie? Don't you worry about that?
And stopping bail is exactly what is front of my
mind to look at. So we're just working through that
right now. You know, it is just a tragedy. And
I have to say, Katie, and I think your listeners
will appreciate this, you know, one of the amonkst thinking
and being so concerned for the welfare of the family.
(08:52):
You know, I thought, I thought immediately of Samaralavity as well,
and so I called her last night. Who you know,
she's reliving this. You know, I spoke to obviously the
local member out there at Nightcliffe as well. And the
number of people and the impact the impact this has
on an entire community. It's not just the grieving widow
(09:14):
or the children or the grandchildren and the customers, and
it's the entire community feels this. And I express that
to the family that we stand with them in their
grief and we're here to wrap arms around each other
as a communion say we will not tolerate this. We
will not let our territory be taken down by terrorists.
You know, really this is a terrorization of people. That
(09:37):
is we've just at unprecedented levels.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
That's what you think it is at the moment. Do
you feel as so we are under attack.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
We are, We absolutely are. I mean people are quite
literally under attack every single day. People are making decisions
about how they move, about how they live their life.
When we talked on Monday, Katie about people and Catherine
going to the shop at seven am to avoid any
kafuffle later on in the day, you know, I mean
this is having a huge impact. It's why you know,
(10:04):
within six weeks of government we've passed all of those laws.
We continue to go back to the Parliament strength and
strength and strength and listen to police support them. And
it's nowhere near enough, you know, it is nowhere near enough.
And we've always said that this is just the beginning
and I'm hoping today to have a very strong announcement
for the community.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Well, Chief Minister, I think it is. You know, it's
safe to say that the community is really sad and upset,
very but that sadnurse could very quickly turn to anger
if the government does not stand up and really, you know,
try to make take action in this place and take
that action now. Just before I let you go, I mean,
(10:44):
what is your message this morning to Territorians who I
you know, like I'm really worried that we're on the
verge of people getting really angry.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, people will be very angry today. They will be frustrated,
they will be sad, they'll be confused, a whole range
of emotions, and people will feel those emotions all differently
across the whole day, and so it's important to stand
together as a community and solidarity against this. We all
deserve to be safe. We deserve to have freedom of movement.
We deserve to make the decisions we want for our
(11:14):
lives and for our kids and for our future. We
deserve to see our loved ones come home every night,
and that is front and center of our minds. We
will provide a bigger update today about strong action will
take in response to this and the further work that
will continue. But I just ask everyone to take care
of each other and you know, make sure you keep
the family and your thoughts and prayers today.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Chief Dinnessa, I really appreciate your time. I know you
need to urgently get to a meeting. Thank you very much.
Take everyone
You are listening to mix one oh four point nine
three point sixty. Now we know family and community are
this morning grappling with the loss of a much loved man,
the owner of the Nightcliff Grosser, in what is a
senseless act of violence. The seventy one year old was
killed while working at the Nightcliff Friendly Grocer yesterday afternoon. Now,
(00:21):
the Northern Territory Police have now apprehended an eighteen year
old who had handed himself into the Palmerston Police station
and was taken into custody. Police have confirmed that alleged
defender was on bail with conditions to remain in a
remote Northern Territory community and did not have an electronic
monitoring bracelet on as a condition of that bail. Now
(00:45):
joining me in the studio is the Chief Minister of
the Northern Territory, Leofanocchiio. Good morning, Chief Minister, Oh.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Good morning Katie, and to your listeners and to every
territory and grieving today. It's an incredibly, incredibly sad time.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Chief Minister Win, did you first loan what had happened
in Nightcliff and what was your reaction?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, it was late yesterday afternoon and obviously just gut
wrenching devastation. And to think that another person went to
work yesterday and didn't come home, and another lost loved one,
another lost member of our community, a much loved, well known,
embedded part of the territory community, and it's just it
(01:29):
was just absolutely devastating, Katie.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Chief Minister. Have you spoken to the family.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yes, I've been in contact with Ben the Sun and
offered our sincereous and heartfelt condolences. I've obviously expressed anything
that we can do to support to let us know,
and obviously the family they did mention the outpouring of
love and support and then they feel just really surrounded
by that strength. And I thank Territorians for wrapping around
(01:59):
as territories do in our greatest time of need. So
you know, they need time to grieve and process the
shock and horror of what has happened, but we stand
with them in solidarity.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I mean the fact that a seventy one year old
man went to work in his place of business yesterday
and is now not going to be going home to
his wife, Margaret of fifty one years, his children, his
seven grandchildren, and I'll use Margaret's words here she said,
(02:33):
this is so hurtful. An eighteen year old kid has
done this in a dreadful moment of anger because he
was confronted with theft. It's a level of violence that
we as a territory I think have become way too
accustomed to. Some of what we have dealt with in
(02:56):
the last month alone is heartbreaking. Spoken on this show
on numerous occasions about the absolutely devastating situation that Trevor
Miller Palmerston residency after allegedly being very seriously injured lucky
to be alive after two teenagers allegedly invaded his home.
(03:16):
I mean, just yesterday I read out a pressure release
from the Northern Territory Police in Catherine where a woman
a senior territory and had to hold people out of
her home with a shovel. It's disgusting behavior. And now
to see that this grandfather is not going home like
it's so heartbreaking on so many levels.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I think people today are thinking, how has this happened again?
When is enough going to be enough? What needs to
be done to address this? Why is there this level
of extreme violence? And it's not okay? And I think
every single territory and has woken up today just thinking,
(04:00):
going wholeheartedly, how totally unacceptable. This is how no one
deserves to live like this. And you know, Katie, I
reinforced last night in my message to territories that I
put out on Facebook that you know, we will do
whatever it takes. We've done a lot, It's nowhere near enough.
We've always said that. And straight after this interview, Katie,
(04:20):
I'll be back at Parliament House with the Deputy Chief
Minister and Attorney General in in urgent briefing around what
can we do next, What leavers can we pull immediately?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
What leavers do you think we can pull, our Chief Minister,
because again I will say, the community's expectation is that
this has to get sorted.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
It does have to get sorted. It's just fundamental to everything.
You can't have a strong economy, you can't have a
great lifestyle if law and order hangs over people's heads
every single day. And so you know we're looking particularly
around bail. Obviously police made it known this morning that
the person was on bail, so it's certainly looking at that.
(05:00):
There's limited detail.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Unfortunately understanding and look, I will try my best to
get this confirmed. But my understanding is that this person
was on Supreme Court bail, which indicates to me that
they have previously committed a serious offense.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, that's my understanding to Katie. And so police are
doing metia at ten thirty, I believe, and will be
able to provide more detail.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
How on earth are we in a situation where somebody
who has presumably and I don't want to overstep the
boundary here, but.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, we're making a lot of assumptions, but yes, that.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Somebody that's on bail can then be well, how is
it that somebody can be bailed without an electronic monitoring
device to a community and then able to come back
to Darwin and allegedly kill someone? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Great, fantastic question. I'm asking the same question myself, as
is probably every single one of your listeners nodding and
frustrated at the car radio right now, Katie. It's it's
a really challenging space, but we are absolutely determined. So
we're in urgent talks around that this morning, turning our
mind to a range of options, including of course, removing
(06:13):
detention as a last resort for youth offenders. So we
need a bit more detail to be able to make
sure that our response is targeted and going to hit
the mark. But I will have more absolutely later to
say later today.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
So some will be asking this morning if if Declan's
Law and the changes that were implemented are working, if
somebody has been able to be bailed in this way.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yes, and that is a great question as well. Declan's
Law is certainly having a really good impact. Now it's
not a one hundred percent strike rate system, as is
no law unfortunately, but we have seen really fantastic numbers
of knives been taken out of circulation. We've seen those
bail numbers reduced, so it is working again. I don't
(07:00):
have enough detail to know what the situation of this
offender was and whether Declan's Law had any interaction with it,
but there's always more you can do. I mean, you
and I KT have talked a lot about all of
the reforms we've got.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Even we're working.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I'm talking about it we did not just days ago.
We're talking about exactly. So I'm looking at what once
I know more about the situation, I'm looking at what
targeted response we can deploy immediately today. Though you will
see high visibility policing, I want absolute reassurance, particularly for
retail workers, that they are safe. Police did a great
(07:33):
job last night. They mobilized every available officer, dog, you
name it to find the alleged defender and so that
person is now in custody. But there's a lot more
work to do and police will update the community at
ten thirty, Chief.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Benes So, I know you are princes for time and
you've got to get to a meeting, but I want
to ask you. I mean, last night I had people
say to me the government needs to double down, that
legislation has to change so that no one who commits
a violent offense can be bailed and people need to
be held to account for offending. On the other hand,
I had a person say to me, the government's approach
(08:10):
is not working a Nightcliff has been on a downward
spiral for months, with bad behavior experienced regularly. I mean,
the reality here is you've got some in the community,
I would say the majority, really wanting you to double
down and stop this entirely. You've got others who think
you've got the wrong approach. Which approach you're going to take? Oh?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Will we taking double down? Katie? Don't you worry about that?
And stopping bail is exactly what is front of my
mind to look at. So we're just working through that
right now. You know, it is just a tragedy. And
I have to say, Katie, and I think your listeners
will appreciate this, you know, one of the amonkst thinking
and being so concerned for the welfare of the family.
(08:52):
You know, I thought, I thought immediately of Samaralavity as well,
and so I called her last night. Who you know,
she's reliving this. You know, I spoke to obviously the
local member out there at Nightcliffe as well. And the
number of people and the impact the impact this has
on an entire community. It's not just the grieving widow
(09:14):
or the children or the grandchildren and the customers, and
it's the entire community feels this. And I express that
to the family that we stand with them in their
grief and we're here to wrap arms around each other
as a communion say we will not tolerate this. We
will not let our territory be taken down by terrorists.
You know, really this is a terrorization of people. That
(09:37):
is we've just at unprecedented levels.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
That's what you think it is at the moment. Do
you feel as so we are under attack.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
We are, We absolutely are. I mean people are quite
literally under attack every single day. People are making decisions
about how they move, about how they live their life.
When we talked on Monday, Katie about people and Catherine
going to the shop at seven am to avoid any
kafuffle later on in the day, you know, I mean
this is having a huge impact. It's why you know,
(10:04):
within six weeks of government we've passed all of those laws.
We continue to go back to the Parliament strength and
strength and strength and listen to police support them. And
it's nowhere near enough, you know, it is nowhere near enough.
And we've always said that this is just the beginning
and I'm hoping today to have a very strong announcement
for the community.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Well, Chief Minister, I think it is. You know, it's
safe to say that the community is really sad and upset,
very but that sadnurse could very quickly turn to anger
if the government does not stand up and really, you know,
try to make take action in this place and take
that action now. Just before I let you go, I mean,
(10:44):
what is your message this morning to Territorians who I
you know, like I'm really worried that we're on the
verge of people getting really angry.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, people will be very angry today. They will be frustrated,
they will be sad, they'll be confused, a whole range
of emotions, and people will feel those emotions all differently
across the whole day, and so it's important to stand
together as a community and solidarity against this. We all
deserve to be safe. We deserve to have freedom of movement.
We deserve to make the decisions we want for our
(11:14):
lives and for our kids and for our future. We
deserve to see our loved ones come home every night,
and that is front and center of our minds. We
will provide a bigger update today about strong action will
take in response to this and the further work that
will continue. But I just ask everyone to take care
of each other and you know, make sure you keep
the family and your thoughts and prayers today.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Chief Dinnessa, I really appreciate your time. I know you
need to urgently get to a meeting. Thank you very much.
Take everyone
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