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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you're listening to the show yesterday, you would have
heard our discussion about the Cyclone Tracy Survivors group saying
that the City of Darwin has threatened them with prosecution
of council by laws should they protest what they've described
is the manifestly unpopular Cyclone Tracy kinetic sculpture. Now, as
I understand it, the plan was to attend the VIP
(00:21):
opening ceremony which is being held on the twenty ninth
of November at Bundilla Beach. Now we asked the CEO
SAE and Saunders about this yesterday. She had said that
they need as part of the protests that they need
to have a permit and if they are going to
attend that they need to have insurance. I'm assuming that
(00:41):
that is like their public liability insurance. Now joining me
on the line right now is Anthony Bullock and he
is one of these Cyclone Tracy survivors. Good morning to you, Anthony.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, good morning Katie. Thanks so much for taking this court.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Oh, no worries at all. Look, I'm really keen to
Samone Saunders. Now, I'm not sure you know whether you've
had the opportunity to hear what she had to say yesterday.
But where are things at for you guys in terms
of that protest? You told me last time you're on
the show that if you did protest, you were potentially
going to be the oldest group of protesters in Australia.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, well we're a few days older, I suppose. But yeah,
look where things are at this point in time, Katie
is that the council are still insisting that those that
the insurance is provided before they'll issue the permit. Now,
I don't know. I did hear the CEO comment on
(01:44):
your show yesterday, and I'm just unclear as to where
she's getting her information from, because you know, I've referred
to the cycling sorry, the City of Darwin information and
if you can, anybody can go to it and says
do I need insurance for my event? For public liability?
(02:05):
And it clearly states we're exempt from having any form
of insurance.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
All right? How come?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, well it's quite clear. It says that the small
community group. It doesn't specifically say nothing anywhere either in
the by laws or the Anti Local Government Act does
it mention anything about a protest. So you go to events,
which is what we've applied for We've applied for an event,
(02:32):
and when you go to their website and search up
that page, it tells you specifically who is who has
to get insurance and who doesn't. So for example, large
sporting organizations, large organizations or event organizers, enterprises, small enterprises
and media and enterprises with twenty or more staff employees,
(02:54):
they're all required to get public liability insurance. However, groups
like which is a small committee group or individuals inviting the
public to an event, which is what we're doing, completely
exempt from having to provide or seek any insurance. So
I'm just a little bit confused, and it is concerning
that the Council hasn't picked up on this.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
So Anthony we I literally just caught up with the
Northern Territory Police Commander Danny Bacon. He said that he's
engaged with you guys, or certainly that you've engaged with
the Northern Territory Police and that you know the police
don't have any issue with you being down there. You know,
his understanding was that you know that anyone protesting does
need to permit. But where where does this sort of
(03:38):
leave you? Do you feel as though you're going to
be able to get down the next Friday and protest.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Well, I think I think people are even more determined
to turn up now. I mean, we have this information
from the City Council, which, as I said, clearly shows
that we're exempt from having to obtain a public liability insurance,
you know, potentially intimidating and bullying us to keep away
from that area. And you know, it could be a
(04:05):
lot more of a bipartisan approach to this, but for
whatever reason, they're digging their heels and they do not want
us there. And I think, you know, if we had
to pour away all that separate the wheat from the chaft,
it's because it's going to be, you know, manifestly unpopular
to the council. And you know, there's all sorts of
rumors about who's going to be turning up to this
(04:27):
and who isn't. But you know, as I said, we're
not there to cause any trouble. We just want to
exercise our right to peacefully protest and to let the
Council and those that turn up exactly how we feel.
It's as simple as that, and I think the council
knows that.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Anthony, tell us, how many are you do you have
any idea how many protests you might have or or
you know who you might have.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Is it going to all be.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Cyclone Tracy survivors their families as well. Tell me a
bit more about who's planning on attending.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Well, you know, actually it was just survivors, but you know,
there are survivors a lot of people all around the
world who have been communicating online. So we're talking about
getting proxies for those people interstate or overseas who can't attend,
you know, having someone step in for them to be there. Obviously,
our families are part of, you know, this whole story,
(05:19):
as is the community. I mean, this is all This
is supposedly a monument for everybody in the Northern Territory
and in fact the whole of Australia. This was a
pretty massification that happened, so I expect, and I've been
getting information that there are other interested groups. For example,
(05:39):
there are people within say the elector of Fanny Bay
who signed petitions with the former member there, I think
Butler I think his name was, who also opposed that
structure and what it stood for. So you know, will
put out the advertisement and we'll see who turns up
(06:00):
whole thing, and I've assured them there's going to be
no issues and they've accepted that. You know, at the
very worst, we at the very most I should say
I apologize is that we'll have a few core flutes
there which remind the councilor of what we wanted.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Man. I thought to myself, you know what, what like
what if you were just a walking group about for
a walk with all the soda shirts on?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
You know, well, yeah, that's that's true, and that has
been that has been raised. You know, I think I
think honesty is the best way forward. I don't want
to be sort of playing the same games as what
people alleged the councilors do it and I'd rather just
been straight up and honest. You know. I sent in
the application on the for a permit to have our
(06:41):
event on the twenty ninth of October. I filled it
in completely. It was it's all honest, and we've been
going backwards and forwards, backwards and forwards, and it's getting
a little bit frustrating now, but it's also it's sort
of getting it looks. I wouldn't say it's getting personal,
but clearly, as the council do not want Cyclone Tracy
(07:02):
survivors at this event. They don't want them anywhen ye
and there was a suggestion yesterday perhaps they can go
on the beach. You know, I don't know what the
tides doing then, but some people aren't capable. Some people
may be in wheelchairs, some people may be on walkers.
And I think that's a little a little cynical for
the council to suggest that people just head over the
sand dunes and have their gathering there, which is, you know,
(07:26):
I think it's unreasonable.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
It's actually you know, you saying that as well. I
think we'll make people realize that that the people who
are protesting, some of you have lived in Darwin for
fifty years. Some of you have helped to rebuild this place.
In fact, a lord of you, I'm assuming have. There'll
be some that no longer live here that are coming
back for the fiftieth anniversary commemorations. But we're actually talking
(07:51):
about really long term territories and Cyclone Tracy survivors. I
feel like we should be selbraating you guys, rather than
making it difficult for you to be part of these
things that are happening.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Well that you've hit the nail on the head, Katie.
That's you know, there are people who've been here, you know,
their entire lives, and they were directly involved in the
rebuilding of Darwin. You know, this is their home. This
is so important to them for all so many reasons.
And it could have been, this could have been such
a wonderful opportunity for the Council to really bring everybody together.
(08:30):
But for reasons that we're still trying to find out,
they decided to do this whole thing on their own
and not include cyclone traces of ane. I've just received
emails from several members of the leg Assembly here who
are very keen to know get further information from us
as to what the Council is doing. You know, it's
just bearing more and more pressure on the council right
(08:53):
stand up and do.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Something, Anthony, are you able to reveal which MLA's or
are you prepared to sort of, you know, tell us
what they are concerned about at this point in time.
I don't, you know, I don't expect you to overstep
the mark in anyway.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Well, I think there's about four or five that have
come forward now. I think it was the Member for
Nightcliff and I don't want to speak out out of
out of turn here, but they're are at least four
or five that have come forward. They do share our concerns,
they want to know more. They're asking for any Cyclone
(09:27):
Tracy survivors who are in their constituency to please make
contact with them, So I do. I'm extending that message
through your show. They are asking for survivors to make contact,
and I anticipate that their interest is high on this,
and I think that the more survivors that come forward
and say something, the more the more likely that we'll
(09:48):
get something done. As you know, Katie, our age group
aren't one to win so much. Protesting is not in
our DNA, but on this particular occasion, it's something so
incredibly important to us that you know, people standing up.
But I'm surprised at the amount of people who do
want to be a part of this, and including other
members of the community who are coming out saying, you know,
(10:08):
this is not right, We've got to do something about this.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Well, Anthony Bullock, I really appreciate you having a chat
with me this morning. Please keep me in the loop
and we'll probably have a chat with you again next
week if possible, before Friday, so we can sort of
get a better idea of where things are at. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Well, look, I'm still hoping for a positive resolution, you know,
I'll keep going up to the eleventh power. But yeah, absolutely,
and again, thank you so much for your attention to this.
It's really appreciated.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I think it's really important that our Cyclone Tracy survivors
are heard, you know, no matter what people think. And look,
I you know, my father in law's a Cyclone Tracy survivor.
I know so many Cyclone Tracy survivors, and I know
how important this is to you guys, not just you know,
not just the monument that you didn't want, but everything, Like,
(10:56):
it's actually so important to you guys that this anniversary
is honored in the way that it should be.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, and that's that's exactly why so many people are
coming up here for this event. There's going to be
a passage of their life that they're hoping to get
closure on. And this is this is why this is
so important that this be done with the sensitivity that
observes and the you know, and that people listen to
the survivors and respect what they want. I mean, we're
(11:25):
generally not asked for much, but I think on this
particular one, it is incredibly important that we get something
that you know, it's not just us, as I said,
we will be gone in the next generation or so,
but the next generation need to know. This is going
to be such an educational thing for the next generation,
so we never have to go through what we went through.
And so that's you know, people have lost lives. We've
(11:47):
got people who are pretending this protest with family members
who they lost, so it's so so close to their
hearts at the moment, and it needs it needs somebody
within either the government or the council to show some
empathy and get this sorted out.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Well, Anthony, I really appreciate you having a chat to
me today, and we'll talk to you again next week.
And look, I'm just there's already a heap of messages
coming through on the text line this morning, so we'll
read those out as well throughout the morning. But mate,
thank you for chatting with us. We'll talk to you
again soon.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
No worries, Katie, and thank you again very much for
your change with us. Thanks very much, Thank you
If you're listening to the show yesterday, you would have
heard our discussion about the Cyclone Tracy Survivors group saying
that the City of Darwin has threatened them with prosecution
of council by laws should they protest what they've described
is the manifestly unpopular Cyclone Tracy kinetic sculpture. Now, as
I understand it, the plan was to attend the VIP
(00:21):
opening ceremony which is being held on the twenty ninth
of November at Bundilla Beach. Now we asked the CEO
SAE and Saunders about this yesterday. She had said that
they need as part of the protests that they need
to have a permit and if they are going to
attend that they need to have insurance. I'm assuming that
(00:41):
that is like their public liability insurance. Now joining me
on the line right now is Anthony Bullock and he
is one of these Cyclone Tracy survivors. Good morning to you, Anthony.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, good morning Katie. Thanks so much for taking this court.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Oh, no worries at all. Look, I'm really keen to
Samone Saunders. Now, I'm not sure you know whether you've
had the opportunity to hear what she had to say yesterday.
But where are things at for you guys in terms
of that protest? You told me last time you're on
the show that if you did protest, you were potentially
going to be the oldest group of protesters in Australia.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, well we're a few days older, I suppose. But yeah,
look where things are at this point in time, Katie
is that the council are still insisting that those that
the insurance is provided before they'll issue the permit. Now,
I don't know. I did hear the CEO comment on
(01:44):
your show yesterday, and I'm just unclear as to where
she's getting her information from, because you know, I've referred
to the cycling sorry, the City of Darwin information and
if you can, anybody can go to it and says
do I need insurance for my event? For public liability?
(02:05):
And it clearly states we're exempt from having any form
of insurance.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
All right? How come?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, well it's quite clear. It says that the small
community group. It doesn't specifically say nothing anywhere either in
the by laws or the Anti Local Government Act does
it mention anything about a protest. So you go to events,
which is what we've applied for We've applied for an event,
(02:32):
and when you go to their website and search up
that page, it tells you specifically who is who has
to get insurance and who doesn't. So for example, large
sporting organizations, large organizations or event organizers, enterprises, small enterprises
and media and enterprises with twenty or more staff employees,
(02:54):
they're all required to get public liability insurance. However, groups
like which is a small committee group or individuals inviting the
public to an event, which is what we're doing, completely
exempt from having to provide or seek any insurance. So
I'm just a little bit confused, and it is concerning
that the Council hasn't picked up on this.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
So Anthony we I literally just caught up with the
Northern Territory Police Commander Danny Bacon. He said that he's
engaged with you guys, or certainly that you've engaged with
the Northern Territory Police and that you know the police
don't have any issue with you being down there. You know,
his understanding was that you know that anyone protesting does
need to permit. But where where does this sort of
(03:38):
leave you? Do you feel as though you're going to
be able to get down the next Friday and protest.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Well, I think I think people are even more determined
to turn up now. I mean, we have this information
from the City Council, which, as I said, clearly shows
that we're exempt from having to obtain a public liability insurance,
you know, potentially intimidating and bullying us to keep away
from that area. And you know, it could be a
(04:05):
lot more of a bipartisan approach to this, but for
whatever reason, they're digging their heels and they do not want
us there. And I think, you know, if we had
to pour away all that separate the wheat from the chaft,
it's because it's going to be, you know, manifestly unpopular
to the council. And you know, there's all sorts of
rumors about who's going to be turning up to this
(04:27):
and who isn't. But you know, as I said, we're
not there to cause any trouble. We just want to
exercise our right to peacefully protest and to let the
Council and those that turn up exactly how we feel.
It's as simple as that, and I think the council
knows that.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Anthony, tell us, how many are you do you have
any idea how many protests you might have or or
you know who you might have.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Is it going to all be.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Cyclone Tracy survivors their families as well. Tell me a
bit more about who's planning on attending.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Well, you know, actually it was just survivors, but you know,
there are survivors a lot of people all around the
world who have been communicating online. So we're talking about
getting proxies for those people interstate or overseas who can't attend,
you know, having someone step in for them to be there. Obviously,
our families are part of, you know, this whole story,
(05:19):
as is the community. I mean, this is all This
is supposedly a monument for everybody in the Northern Territory
and in fact the whole of Australia. This was a
pretty massification that happened, so I expect, and I've been
getting information that there are other interested groups. For example,
(05:39):
there are people within say the elector of Fanny Bay
who signed petitions with the former member there, I think
Butler I think his name was, who also opposed that
structure and what it stood for. So you know, will
put out the advertisement and we'll see who turns up
(06:00):
whole thing, and I've assured them there's going to be
no issues and they've accepted that. You know, at the
very worst, we at the very most I should say
I apologize is that we'll have a few core flutes
there which remind the councilor of what we wanted.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Man. I thought to myself, you know what, what like
what if you were just a walking group about for
a walk with all the soda shirts on?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
You know, well, yeah, that's that's true, and that has
been that has been raised. You know, I think I
think honesty is the best way forward. I don't want
to be sort of playing the same games as what
people alleged the councilors do it and I'd rather just
been straight up and honest. You know. I sent in
the application on the for a permit to have our
(06:41):
event on the twenty ninth of October. I filled it
in completely. It was it's all honest, and we've been
going backwards and forwards, backwards and forwards, and it's getting
a little bit frustrating now, but it's also it's sort
of getting it looks. I wouldn't say it's getting personal,
but clearly, as the council do not want Cyclone Tracy
(07:02):
survivors at this event. They don't want them anywhen ye
and there was a suggestion yesterday perhaps they can go
on the beach. You know, I don't know what the
tides doing then, but some people aren't capable. Some people
may be in wheelchairs, some people may be on walkers.
And I think that's a little a little cynical for
the council to suggest that people just head over the
sand dunes and have their gathering there, which is, you know,
(07:26):
I think it's unreasonable.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
It's actually you know, you saying that as well. I
think we'll make people realize that that the people who
are protesting, some of you have lived in Darwin for
fifty years. Some of you have helped to rebuild this place.
In fact, a lord of you, I'm assuming have. There'll
be some that no longer live here that are coming
back for the fiftieth anniversary commemorations. But we're actually talking
(07:51):
about really long term territories and Cyclone Tracy survivors. I
feel like we should be selbraating you guys, rather than
making it difficult for you to be part of these
things that are happening.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Well that you've hit the nail on the head, Katie.
That's you know, there are people who've been here, you know,
their entire lives, and they were directly involved in the
rebuilding of Darwin. You know, this is their home. This
is so important to them for all so many reasons.
And it could have been, this could have been such
a wonderful opportunity for the Council to really bring everybody together.
(08:30):
But for reasons that we're still trying to find out,
they decided to do this whole thing on their own
and not include cyclone traces of ane. I've just received
emails from several members of the leg Assembly here who
are very keen to know get further information from us
as to what the Council is doing. You know, it's
just bearing more and more pressure on the council right
(08:53):
stand up and do.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Something, Anthony, are you able to reveal which MLA's or
are you prepared to sort of, you know, tell us
what they are concerned about at this point in time.
I don't, you know, I don't expect you to overstep
the mark in anyway.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Well, I think there's about four or five that have
come forward now. I think it was the Member for
Nightcliff and I don't want to speak out out of
out of turn here, but they're are at least four
or five that have come forward. They do share our concerns,
they want to know more. They're asking for any Cyclone
(09:27):
Tracy survivors who are in their constituency to please make
contact with them, So I do. I'm extending that message
through your show. They are asking for survivors to make contact,
and I anticipate that their interest is high on this,
and I think that the more survivors that come forward
and say something, the more the more likely that we'll
(09:48):
get something done. As you know, Katie, our age group
aren't one to win so much. Protesting is not in
our DNA, but on this particular occasion, it's something so
incredibly important to us that you know, people standing up.
But I'm surprised at the amount of people who do
want to be a part of this, and including other
members of the community who are coming out saying, you know,
(10:08):
this is not right, We've got to do something about this.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Well, Anthony Bullock, I really appreciate you having a chat
with me this morning. Please keep me in the loop
and we'll probably have a chat with you again next
week if possible, before Friday, so we can sort of
get a better idea of where things are at. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Well, look, I'm still hoping for a positive resolution, you know,
I'll keep going up to the eleventh power. But yeah, absolutely,
and again, thank you so much for your attention to this.
It's really appreciated.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I think it's really important that our Cyclone Tracy survivors
are heard, you know, no matter what people think. And look,
I you know, my father in law's a Cyclone Tracy survivor.
I know so many Cyclone Tracy survivors, and I know
how important this is to you guys, not just you know,
not just the monument that you didn't want, but everything, Like,
(10:56):
it's actually so important to you guys that this anniversary
is honored in the way that it should be.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, and that's that's exactly why so many people are
coming up here for this event. There's going to be
a passage of their life that they're hoping to get
closure on. And this is this is why this is
so important that this be done with the sensitivity that
observes and the you know, and that people listen to
the survivors and respect what they want. I mean, we're
(11:25):
generally not asked for much, but I think on this
particular one, it is incredibly important that we get something
that you know, it's not just us, as I said,
we will be gone in the next generation or so,
but the next generation need to know. This is going
to be such an educational thing for the next generation,
so we never have to go through what we went through.
And so that's you know, people have lost lives. We've
(11:47):
got people who are pretending this protest with family members
who they lost, so it's so so close to their
hearts at the moment, and it needs it needs somebody
within either the government or the council to show some
empathy and get this sorted out.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Well, Anthony, I really appreciate you having a chat to
me today, and we'll talk to you again next week.
And look, I'm just there's already a heap of messages
coming through on the text line this morning, so we'll
read those out as well throughout the morning. But mate,
thank you for chatting with us. We'll talk to you
again soon.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
No worries, Katie, and thank you again very much for
your change with us. Thanks very much, Thank you
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