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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now joining me on the line right now to tell
us a little bit more about this idea and what
it would take to get it moving. Is the Lord
Mayor of Darwin convat Scarlets. Good morning to you.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Corn, Good morning Katie.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
How are you very well? Conn and our v park
Bundilla Beach tell me more.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yes, well, we have a lot of inquiries from people
who come from downside ives and their main complaint was
there aren't many places for our vist and if there are,
they are full very quickly and if you recall some
of them, they can't in a sporting ground knee instut highway.
So we had to look around and we thought, well,
(00:40):
great place to put the ives for many reasons is
the Bandilla Bit's beautiful surroundings, very close to a lot
of clubs restaurants. Is to access the museum. And the
other thing is when you activate a place, all the
things that the previous textas mentioned are the social behavior
refer our fights disappear. If you go down to Nightliff
(01:03):
Pitch where a lot of people go there in the afternoons,
there aren't any of these kinds of activities because the people,
these kind of people don't like publicity, don't like lights,
don't like activation, so we think we can actually activate
the area and clean it up.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
So con what about when you sort of talk about,
you know, some of the infrastructure that is associated with
having RV's there. You know, I know that it's been said,
or my understanding is that it's been said that they
would need to be self contained, these av's, But do
you still need you know, waste drop points and things
like that.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well, most of the avs or all of the av's
are of course self contained. They've got their own toilet,
their own shower. They need a downpoint and certainly we're
going to establish one there and if finally the trial
becomes a reality, until that time, we're not going to
do anything. But again, there will be some facility. There's
(01:57):
some toilets ready there, there are lives, it's there, there's
easy access at downpoint. Is a very minor issue that
we can address.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Corn ave been contacted by people saying, goodness, may how
is the council going to get this VPAK up and
going when the lawns aren't even being mode at the moment, well, the.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Monent not more at the moment, because we're at the
end of the contract and certainly we're not say, let's
say there's a much to be desired about the operation,
the current operation, but our contractors changing from next month
and we're going to see a much improved loan and
mowing of the loans and our facilities are park.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
All right, So we're actually in between contracts. So is
that grass going to grow even longer in different locations?
Connor have you got somebody to manage it?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Well? Hopefully with no rain the grass will not grow
as usually happens. But there are new contractors starting very
early this month next month, and we will address all
these issues.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
It's pretty bad though in some locations right now. So
is it just going to stay that way until next month?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Katie, I know very well about it. Oh no, No,
the old contractors still will continue to mow the lawns
and just programming it at the moment. But I said
you before, I've been approached by a number of people.
They actually bring to my attention some of the issues
with the quality of the service, and we're addressing this
one as a matter of priority.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, right, all right, let's go back to the vapor
con How many are these would be allowed? There?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
There I'm going to be hundered. There probably will be
something between ten or twenty. Again, depend the area we're
going to be allocated depends on the response we get
from the people. It's going to be a temporary area
like PEP can't stay there for six months. They probably
come and stay for one or two or three nights
and then move on. The good thing with AVIS, as
I think before, it's self contained. They've got everything, including power,
(03:46):
so the infrastructure will need to put it with minimal
apart from the downpoint. The other thing bringing the AVIS
from let's say how it's springs or have to do
to the city. That means there'll be more people in
the city, will be spending more money in the city.
They have to buy a few they have to by supplies.
But although they go out that don't stay and they
harsh all the time they go out to the local
residences of the local venues.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
How much will it cost to be able to get
one of those spots.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Well, we don't have this information yet. For the same reason,
we're not going to go to that depth unless we
get the decision by the people. There's not much point
of proceeding of anything. If people say No, it's about
the idea. We don't want it. But from what I
read now from response, we get the majority of the people,
about seventy percent think that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, most people are getting in contact with us and
saying that they think it's a good idea. I know
that there's a few that are sort of saying, oh,
I just don't know about this. I think that they're
just going to get broken into.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Well anything can be broken into if there is reef
ruff around. But by bringing these people there, suddenly they'll
be going to be activation and so there'd be more
people coming and going all the time. So the people
they actually cause problems and usually they like a very
deserted place to drink. We'll find somewhere else to go.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Con what about on the footpaths and stuff in the
area would they be so where exactly would the RVs
be parked? Would they be like on the grass area
or are they going to be in the actual car
park area there at Bundella, They're going to.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Be in the car park area. Yeah, we will not
put the arves on the grass area. The grass area
will be left for recreation. If people were to have
a walk walk clear dog or go somewhere they can
use the grass area and the big park that's between
that area and of course East Point Road. The arvest
will be in the hard stand. If we have to
do some ratification for the footpaths, we will do so.
(05:34):
As I do you before our attentions to activate the place,
you don't activate the place just living the hog ites.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Oh look, I think that it would be a stunning
place to wake up in your RV, you know, looking
out over the over the water. It'll be absolutely beautiful.
It is beautiful there at Bundela Beach. I guess I'm
just trying to get an idea in my head of
how exactly it will work. And I know our listeners
will be doing the same. So with those vans parked up,
we'll local staf will be able to sort of walk
(06:01):
through the area or does they need to be do
you reckon? There's going to need to be fencing around
the place.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
What will we need We are not going to restrict access.
Certainly you can't walk into an RV, but said if
you walk around it or around that area, there's not
going to be any problem.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
And assuming that they need to be a bit of
an application process for people to go through as well.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Would they What we'll do is actually do the trial
depending on the response to the people. That would be
a small trial, and while we do the trial, will
ask for expression of with the rest from the private sector.
We want people who got experience in running these kind
of facilities rather than the council corn.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Another thing I want to ask you about, get just
a very quick update. You and I spoke last week
about this application to heritage list the entire Esplanade. Now
on the weekend I saw the advertisement in the nt
US for provisional heritage listing. I spoke to the chief
about this on Monday and raised your concerns. She had
(07:03):
said that yes, you had spoken to her as well.
Con are we going to end up with the whole
of the Esplanade heritage listed?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
My concern, Kate, is not going to be only the Esplanade,
is going to be the whole Esplanant, including the cliffs
and about five hundred meters into the sea. This is
a really an avid plaim from some people that they
don't want anything to be developed a dowin. They want
to have done the way towards the nineteen fifties The
problem with God is there is a nomination process. Due
(07:33):
process has not been followed by the public. Is supposed
to be their job. My reaction is, if this commany
wants to develop a forty billion dollar economy, you don't
put the brakes on any potential developing in the area.
And again what I said to the Chief Minister, if
the esplant is a heretag place, what about the waterfront
when the Neptuna was exploded and killed forty five people?
(07:54):
Is there a more cultural significant place on this what
about this exercise and actually in the park in front
of the deck theater. You can't just select which one
you won't declare and leave the others out. We already
spoken before about developing the lamon Ubus. As a matter
of fact, they were lamonu Bus before, so part of
(08:15):
the heritage. So I said before, there are number of
people in Darwin that want to stop everything happening. They
don't care about anything else but themselves. And my question is,
let's stop every development in Darwin and then stop complaining
about our children going down south to find a job
because we're unable to provide them with.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Jobs here coll logistically right now? So is that provisional
heritage listing in place now.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Well, they tell us it is, but when we try
to find out where is the gazette with gazette, we
can't find out when get our lawyers. The lawyers has
found a lot of big gaps in the process and
most likely council will be taking legal action against it.
One thing I want to make clear, so the.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Council is potentially going to be taking legal action here
against the Norse Territory government.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I gave the department against the part that is done improperly.
But one thing I want to say a kay is
that council had any intention of developing the esplanet. The
splant has got a special zoning and councils never will
actually seek to change that zoning. So I don't know
why people want to declare heritage to already heritage. There's
a cenotaph, we have the events taking place that commemorate
(09:24):
our history. It's got a special zoning and open space
recreation which are not going to be changed. Some people
just think differently than others.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I mean, the reality here is if something is heritage listed,
it makes it very difficult to you know, to be
able to change the light bulb. If it's if it's
a home, for example, you know, if it's a historic
site and let's say an old you know, an older
heritage list at home, it's it's very difficult to basically
do anything to it. So if there's a provisional listing
(09:53):
of the espanade right now, how is the council actually
able to do anything at this point?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Well, at this stage Council will continue this job investment
for the same reason. We understand that the whole process
is invalid and our lawyers have identified that and we
have written to the government to asking them provide us
the documentation and we haven't received anything yet.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
So the whole process stuff from the department. So from
your understanding, it's it's a department. But the ad in
the paper was the Attorney General Chancey.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Paike, Well, I can't find the gazette, so as the gazette,
so we can accept it until the presenters with the evidence.
As I said to you before, you can't just say
it is provisionally heritage if you can't provide the evidence
how it was declared, where it was declared, where was gazetted.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Goodness, may this sounds like another uh you know, Debarkle,
I think it'd call it, I don't know what the
best word unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
But these things happen, but this soon happened. If the
government can you know, follow its own legislation, then there
are problems.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
So connort this point in time, the Darwin City Council
is looking at take legal action against the Department over
not following due process.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
That's right, Well, now are you our lawyers believe that's
what the.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Lawyers believe at this point? Are you able to tell
us you know, do you believe that the different events
and different things, because last time we'd spoken you had
raised concerns about whether things like the glenty we're going
to be able to go ahead. How are you feeling
about all of that at this point?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Is this is the thing our lawyers are looking at
the moment, and this is what I said to you
before we are going to look at there's open a
lot of questions. Does give many answers. We have to
actually proceed and see how what it means, how it means,
is it valid? It's not our understanding and our lawyers
have advised us that they believe from what it is
said they've done the due process was not followed and
(11:48):
they believe the whole process is invalid. Goodness the government
to come up with the answer.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, well Rosie has just messaged through. She said, Hi Katie,
Heaven help us if the Espana becomes heritage listed take
a look at Stella Marrus and you know what had
happened there. No thank you, says Rosie. There's lots of
other people messaging through about lots of different things con
including those r vs. And someone said is there going
(12:15):
to be a walking path or is there going to
be a bit of a path for walkers? Otherwise it
might make it a bit difficult once those are vs
are in the area.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
As I explained to you, there will be properly designed
so access to the bitch and to the past is
not denied to the people.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Well, Convat scarlas the Lord Mayor of Darwin, we always
appreciate your time. I think we're catching up again tomorrow
as well, aren't we.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I think so too, and I'll talk to you more
about it tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Sounds good. Good on your con Thank you appreciate your
time this morning.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Have a good ad for you too.
Now joining me on the line right now to tell
us a little bit more about this idea and what
it would take to get it moving. Is the Lord
Mayor of Darwin convat Scarlets. Good morning to you.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Corn, Good morning Katie.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
How are you very well? Conn and our v park
Bundilla Beach tell me more.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yes, well, we have a lot of inquiries from people
who come from downside ives and their main complaint was
there aren't many places for our vist and if there are,
they are full very quickly and if you recall some
of them, they can't in a sporting ground knee instut highway.
So we had to look around and we thought, well,
(00:40):
great place to put the ives for many reasons is
the Bandilla Bit's beautiful surroundings, very close to a lot
of clubs restaurants. Is to access the museum. And the
other thing is when you activate a place, all the
things that the previous textas mentioned are the social behavior
refer our fights disappear. If you go down to Nightliff
(01:03):
Pitch where a lot of people go there in the afternoons,
there aren't any of these kinds of activities because the people,
these kind of people don't like publicity, don't like lights,
don't like activation, so we think we can actually activate
the area and clean it up.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
So con what about when you sort of talk about,
you know, some of the infrastructure that is associated with
having RV's there. You know, I know that it's been said,
or my understanding is that it's been said that they
would need to be self contained, these av's, But do
you still need you know, waste drop points and things
like that.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well, most of the avs or all of the av's
are of course self contained. They've got their own toilet,
their own shower. They need a downpoint and certainly we're
going to establish one there and if finally the trial
becomes a reality, until that time, we're not going to
do anything. But again, there will be some facility. There's
(01:57):
some toilets ready there, there are lives, it's there, there's
easy access at downpoint. Is a very minor issue that
we can address.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Corn ave been contacted by people saying, goodness, may how
is the council going to get this VPAK up and
going when the lawns aren't even being mode at the moment, well, the.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Monent not more at the moment, because we're at the
end of the contract and certainly we're not say, let's
say there's a much to be desired about the operation,
the current operation, but our contractors changing from next month
and we're going to see a much improved loan and
mowing of the loans and our facilities are park.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
All right, So we're actually in between contracts. So is
that grass going to grow even longer in different locations?
Connor have you got somebody to manage it?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Well? Hopefully with no rain the grass will not grow
as usually happens. But there are new contractors starting very
early this month next month, and we will address all
these issues.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
It's pretty bad though in some locations right now. So
is it just going to stay that way until next month?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Katie, I know very well about it. Oh no, No,
the old contractors still will continue to mow the lawns
and just programming it at the moment. But I said
you before, I've been approached by a number of people.
They actually bring to my attention some of the issues
with the quality of the service, and we're addressing this
one as a matter of priority.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, right, all right, let's go back to the vapor
con How many are these would be allowed? There?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
There I'm going to be hundered. There probably will be
something between ten or twenty. Again, depend the area we're
going to be allocated depends on the response we get
from the people. It's going to be a temporary area
like PEP can't stay there for six months. They probably
come and stay for one or two or three nights
and then move on. The good thing with AVIS, as
I think before, it's self contained. They've got everything, including power,
(03:46):
so the infrastructure will need to put it with minimal
apart from the downpoint. The other thing bringing the AVIS
from let's say how it's springs or have to do
to the city. That means there'll be more people in
the city, will be spending more money in the city.
They have to buy a few they have to by supplies.
But although they go out that don't stay and they
harsh all the time they go out to the local
residences of the local venues.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
How much will it cost to be able to get
one of those spots.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Well, we don't have this information yet. For the same reason,
we're not going to go to that depth unless we
get the decision by the people. There's not much point
of proceeding of anything. If people say No, it's about
the idea. We don't want it. But from what I
read now from response, we get the majority of the people,
about seventy percent think that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, most people are getting in contact with us and
saying that they think it's a good idea. I know
that there's a few that are sort of saying, oh,
I just don't know about this. I think that they're
just going to get broken into.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Well anything can be broken into if there is reef
ruff around. But by bringing these people there, suddenly they'll
be going to be activation and so there'd be more
people coming and going all the time. So the people
they actually cause problems and usually they like a very
deserted place to drink. We'll find somewhere else to go.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Con what about on the footpaths and stuff in the
area would they be so where exactly would the RVs
be parked? Would they be like on the grass area
or are they going to be in the actual car
park area there at Bundella, They're going to.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Be in the car park area. Yeah, we will not
put the arves on the grass area. The grass area
will be left for recreation. If people were to have
a walk walk clear dog or go somewhere they can
use the grass area and the big park that's between
that area and of course East Point Road. The arvest
will be in the hard stand. If we have to
do some ratification for the footpaths, we will do so.
(05:34):
As I do you before our attentions to activate the place,
you don't activate the place just living the hog ites.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Oh look, I think that it would be a stunning
place to wake up in your RV, you know, looking
out over the over the water. It'll be absolutely beautiful.
It is beautiful there at Bundela Beach. I guess I'm
just trying to get an idea in my head of
how exactly it will work. And I know our listeners
will be doing the same. So with those vans parked up,
we'll local staf will be able to sort of walk
(06:01):
through the area or does they need to be do
you reckon? There's going to need to be fencing around
the place.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
What will we need We are not going to restrict access.
Certainly you can't walk into an RV, but said if
you walk around it or around that area, there's not
going to be any problem.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
And assuming that they need to be a bit of
an application process for people to go through as well.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Would they What we'll do is actually do the trial
depending on the response to the people. That would be
a small trial, and while we do the trial, will
ask for expression of with the rest from the private sector.
We want people who got experience in running these kind
of facilities rather than the council corn.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Another thing I want to ask you about, get just
a very quick update. You and I spoke last week
about this application to heritage list the entire Esplanade. Now
on the weekend I saw the advertisement in the nt
US for provisional heritage listing. I spoke to the chief
about this on Monday and raised your concerns. She had
(07:03):
said that yes, you had spoken to her as well.
Con are we going to end up with the whole
of the Esplanade heritage listed?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
My concern, Kate, is not going to be only the Esplanade,
is going to be the whole Esplanant, including the cliffs
and about five hundred meters into the sea. This is
a really an avid plaim from some people that they
don't want anything to be developed a dowin. They want
to have done the way towards the nineteen fifties The
problem with God is there is a nomination process. Due
(07:33):
process has not been followed by the public. Is supposed
to be their job. My reaction is, if this commany
wants to develop a forty billion dollar economy, you don't
put the brakes on any potential developing in the area.
And again what I said to the Chief Minister, if
the esplant is a heretag place, what about the waterfront
when the Neptuna was exploded and killed forty five people?
(07:54):
Is there a more cultural significant place on this what
about this exercise and actually in the park in front
of the deck theater. You can't just select which one
you won't declare and leave the others out. We already
spoken before about developing the lamon Ubus. As a matter
of fact, they were lamonu Bus before, so part of
(08:15):
the heritage. So I said before, there are number of
people in Darwin that want to stop everything happening. They
don't care about anything else but themselves. And my question is,
let's stop every development in Darwin and then stop complaining
about our children going down south to find a job
because we're unable to provide them with.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Jobs here coll logistically right now? So is that provisional
heritage listing in place now.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Well, they tell us it is, but when we try
to find out where is the gazette with gazette, we
can't find out when get our lawyers. The lawyers has
found a lot of big gaps in the process and
most likely council will be taking legal action against it.
One thing I want to make clear, so the.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Council is potentially going to be taking legal action here
against the Norse Territory government.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I gave the department against the part that is done improperly.
But one thing I want to say a kay is
that council had any intention of developing the esplanet. The
splant has got a special zoning and councils never will
actually seek to change that zoning. So I don't know
why people want to declare heritage to already heritage. There's
a cenotaph, we have the events taking place that commemorate
(09:24):
our history. It's got a special zoning and open space
recreation which are not going to be changed. Some people
just think differently than others.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I mean, the reality here is if something is heritage listed,
it makes it very difficult to you know, to be
able to change the light bulb. If it's if it's
a home, for example, you know, if it's a historic
site and let's say an old you know, an older
heritage list at home, it's it's very difficult to basically
do anything to it. So if there's a provisional listing
(09:53):
of the espanade right now, how is the council actually
able to do anything at this point?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Well, at this stage Council will continue this job investment
for the same reason. We understand that the whole process
is invalid and our lawyers have identified that and we
have written to the government to asking them provide us
the documentation and we haven't received anything yet.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
So the whole process stuff from the department. So from
your understanding, it's it's a department. But the ad in
the paper was the Attorney General Chancey.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Paike, Well, I can't find the gazette, so as the gazette,
so we can accept it until the presenters with the evidence.
As I said to you before, you can't just say
it is provisionally heritage if you can't provide the evidence
how it was declared, where it was declared, where was gazetted.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Goodness, may this sounds like another uh you know, Debarkle,
I think it'd call it, I don't know what the
best word unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
But these things happen, but this soon happened. If the
government can you know, follow its own legislation, then there
are problems.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
So connort this point in time, the Darwin City Council
is looking at take legal action against the Department over
not following due process.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
That's right, Well, now are you our lawyers believe that's
what the.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Lawyers believe at this point? Are you able to tell
us you know, do you believe that the different events
and different things, because last time we'd spoken you had
raised concerns about whether things like the glenty we're going
to be able to go ahead. How are you feeling
about all of that at this point?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Is this is the thing our lawyers are looking at
the moment, and this is what I said to you
before we are going to look at there's open a
lot of questions. Does give many answers. We have to
actually proceed and see how what it means, how it means,
is it valid? It's not our understanding and our lawyers
have advised us that they believe from what it is
said they've done the due process was not followed and
(11:48):
they believe the whole process is invalid. Goodness the government
to come up with the answer.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, well Rosie has just messaged through. She said, Hi Katie,
Heaven help us if the Espana becomes heritage listed take
a look at Stella Marrus and you know what had
happened there. No thank you, says Rosie. There's lots of
other people messaging through about lots of different things con
including those r vs. And someone said is there going
(12:15):
to be a walking path or is there going to
be a bit of a path for walkers? Otherwise it
might make it a bit difficult once those are vs
are in the area.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
As I explained to you, there will be properly designed
so access to the bitch and to the past is
not denied to the people.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Well, Convat scarlas the Lord Mayor of Darwin, we always
appreciate your time. I think we're catching up again tomorrow
as well, aren't we.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I think so too, and I'll talk to you more
about it tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Sounds good. Good on your con Thank you appreciate your
time this morning.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Have a good ad for you too.
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