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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's get into it because, as I said on Monday
this week, we spoke to Luke Gosling, the Federal member,
about the federal government's social housing announcement two billion dollars
on offer across Australia in an effort to boost social housing.
Fifty million dollars of urban social housing funds for the
Northern Territory is part of that announcement. So we started
the week with that good news. But unfortunately it seems
(00:22):
that some serious work is actually required when it comes
to public housing more generally. Now, the Shadow Minister for Housing,
Jared Mayley, says that yesterday they heard in estimates, in
addition to that sixty nine point seven million dollars in
remote rent which was written off last year, this year
they accumulated another six point eight million dollars in unpaid
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remote rent and four point seventy five million dollars in
unpaid urban rent. That means that Territorians are losing one
hundred and thirty grand a week in unpaid rent. Now
joining me on the line is the Deputy Opposition Leader,
Jared Maylee.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Good morning to you.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Jared, can you tell me what questions were asked around
rent and what's specifically in urban public housing.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yes, okaytie, So yesterday we had a line of questioning
about the public housing in remote areas and also urban areas,
just trying to gauge what's the level of consequence for
damage to public property which is characy housing, and also for.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Lack of paying rent.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
In those line questions, we uncovered that sixty nine million
dollars was written off last year for remote rent and
can you just think about what that could have brought
in relation to resourcing for the police, or resourcing for schools,
or resourcing.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
For our hospitals.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Instead, this government has just written it off and so
year already back to a six point eight million dollars
in remote rent and four point seventy five million in
urban rent. So that's a lot of money that hasn't
been collected which could be used for other purposes. And
so we're really starting to unick why the terroitor is
in such a bad state, because all these little things
(02:04):
add up to resourcing that could be used in other
places like police and health and education, which we know
is under resource and vitally important important to the Northern Territory.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
It's an awful lot of money.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
When you talk about unpaid rent, and you know, I
think we all know that if you live in private
private rental and you don't pay your rent, well, you're
going to be evicted. What is the situation in terms
of the ramifications to those in public housing if they
don't pay their rent?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Well, we asked that question, if they're we're been addicted
for not paying their rent, and the labor government could
answer that. You think that would be a pretty easy
question to ask, but the labor government so we don't
have the information and took what I noticed, which means
we won't get that information for another thirty days. And look,
some people might think that that's just the Labor Coment
trying to deflect their bad answer because they don't want
(02:50):
to give it because they know that their openings of
up to scrutiny becauld have done such a bad job
in relation to managing this is taxpayers money case. It's
the way, it's not the government's money. This is mum,
the downs out there working hard, paying their tax, and
then this labor government spend the tax pays money, and
now we're finding out that they're just writing off money.
Here and there, and we're not talking little bits which
quick at nine million dollars.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
It's a substantial amount, Jared's.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Stantial amount of money, and it was out to be
almost done. Eight hundred thousand dollars a month and unpaid
uncollected rent.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Jared, what if the CLP was in power, what would
you do when their attendants that aren't paying their rent?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Well, what we would do is we would make sure
that the COLP have a process in place that you
pay your rent each week, and there's ways of collection
through send leg and through direct deduction, because that's.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Where the problem lies.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
This is that labor government seems just to let it
go through the keeper and it'll be right, and don't
try and collect it the next minute. There is a
massive backlog of rent or unpaid rent, which would be
very difficult to pay back.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
So do you reckon?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
If it was easy, surely they would be doing it already.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Well, obviously they're not KD because we've got six point
eight million dollars worth of remote rent.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
And just like the private people, if you don't pay.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Your rent, the next day, someone comes knock on your
door and say, hey, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (04:04):
And I understand there's problems.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
But the most people are in public housing on some
sort of their link payment, so they get a set rent,
set payment every week. So there must be ways in
this day and age to be able to make sure
that the rent is payable on time, because it's tagging
players money and it's affecting the bottom line and affecting
right across.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
The Northern Territory.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Because, like I said, what about sixty nine million dollars
into the police office.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Wouldn't that be helpful for Yeah, it certainly would.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Hey, can you tell me what did you uncover in
terms of weight lists, because we know that there are
very extensive weight lists to obviously get into public housing.
Did you get much level of detail in terms of
how long people are waiting?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
No, we didn't get much detail and how long we
really got into You know, how if you damage property
of this, if you an unsavory tenant, what's the process
for getting a victory? Because we get lots of complaints
about people having public housing throughout the Northern suburbs and
throughout the Northern Territory, and they make people in the
name and people in the street make numerous complaints about
these tenets. Nothing seems to happen. We asked questions about that,
(05:06):
and we got was, oh, there was a process that
was it so detail?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Was there detail in terms of that process? Or no?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
No, no, they wouldn't give us any detail. And like
I said, I asked the question, how many people have
been evicted? I will take that on notice. So it
was very difficult. But you know, this government came into
power saying we're going to be open and accountable.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
I think this last two.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Weeks off estimates has really shown that they haven't been
open and accountable, and they've just got all these little
bits of waste of showing that they're incompetent. And this
is another classic example of sixty nine million dollars written
off six point eight million dollars in one year.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Jared, do we know how much money has been spent
on repairs? Because obviously we've got a situation as well
where you know, sometimes in those public housing homes, if
they're not cared for in the way that they should be.
And I do want to point out that there's plenty
of people that do live in public housing that look
after their homes very well. But do we have any
level of understanding of how much money has been spent
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on repairs, Yes.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
We do.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Like I asked some questions about that, and the government
gave us a figure of forty four point nine million
dollars spent repairing remote housing, and including that was eleven
point four million dollars on those one hundred and twenty
five homes that were damaged in.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
What I how much?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
In what?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
How much?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Eleven point four million?
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Wow, So it came clear that.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
There was one hundred and twenty five homes of damage
and the government spent eleven point four million dollars. And
I asked some questions about has there been any effort
to recruit that money, because you know, the government said
that they were the victims of crime. And I fully
accept that if you were renting a home and someone
becomes the damage your property and it's not you where
you become a victim of crime. But then someone obviously
has been charged with that and there is steps in
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place so the government can recover that money. And they
couldn't answer those questions.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Mmmm.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Look, I think it's seemed a big.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Cover up to me, Katie, And it just seems that
this government don't want to answer the questions. And if
they don't like the answer, they'll put on notice and
if it's think it's a.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Good answer, they'll answer.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
And it just really shows that this government is not
open and accountable. And these figures, we talk about forty
four point nine million dollars in one year spent on
remote housing.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, it is such a lot of money. It's a
huge amount of money. And then you know, earlier in
the week, obviously we're sprooking the fact that and I
know that social housing is very different to public housing,
but you know, we're sprooking the fact that across the board,
right around the nation, we've got this two billion dollars
that Anthony Albanezi had had announced across Australia. Fifty million
(07:31):
of that is for urban social housing. But then, you know,
when you look at the fact that we're spending such
a phenomenal amount of money, you know, on repairing housing,
you do think to yourself, if we can strengthen the
way in which we are dealing with tenants, and we
can strengthen the way in which we're dealing with people
who are not paying rent, who are not looking after
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their homes, then surely we would be able to minimize
some of those wait lists of course.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Certainly because would have to be houses out there that
are uninhabitable or unavailable because they're dam which we also
found out yesterday through the National Housing Agreement with IT
which is a five year agreement that the government ends
in thirty June this year, and there's some seven hundred
and seventy odd rooms which are behind schedule, so they're
not going to meet that. So they've gone in the
negotiations to extend that for one year, and part of
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that agreement they're getting an extra one hundred and eleven
million odd dollars, but they've got to build another one
hundred and fifty seven houses in one year, so they've
got to do their seven hundred rooms plus another one
hundred and fifty seven houses.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
They've got the money.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I'm just really worried that they won't be able to
get that up and running because the government isn't competent
and can't handle the workload and can't get that money
and those houses out where they're desperately needed.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Jared, I do want to move along.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
We know that the ABC is this morning reporting the
Northern Territory government's refusing to release a youth bail review report,
which is sitting with its Cabinet ministers against calls from
legal groups and unions and political opponents now. Earlier this week,
the Chief Minister Natasha Files promised to publicly release a second,
as yet unfinished review into bail laws, which was triggered
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as we know after the stabbing death of Decklan Lavity.
But the government hads well, they've confirmed the other completed
bail report wouldn't see the light of day. The ABC
reporting that Police Minister Kate Warden released a statement saying
this youth bail review is part of a number of
initiatives introduced by the Territory Labor government to keep territori
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ins safe. This is a Cabinet in confidence document and
will not be made public. Jared, why do you think
that this document should be made public?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Well, the territories have lost confidence and lost trust in
the law, the charity government the way they've handled the police,
and the police do a great job. Don't get me wrong,
the front line officers. If they weren't, they're doing such
a great job.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
We'd be in a world to hurt. But it's just
you know, look at those police surveys.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
You know, ninety odd percent of people of the police
aren't supported and resources are down.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
And looking for exisit strategies.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
This really goes to show that this government is not
serious about being open and accountable, and if they were,
they could waiver any confidential documents through cabinet and hand
it out because people out there in order charity don't
feel safe in their homes, they don't feel safe in
their communities, and they don't even feel safe going shopping
and doing the everyday basic steps of life. And yet
this government has got this information and won't hand it
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because what's in it. Maybe they're scared of what's in it,
because we all know that their bail.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Laws have failed.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
They've narrowed down to the bail two prohibitive control weapons,
which is not working because most crime out there is
the improvised weapons.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Reckon do you reckon it with in terms of you know,
this one that is in is obviously into into into
use bail Do you reckon it?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Would help by making that public, of.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Course it would.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
You know, the Territorians are crying out for some leadership
and unfortunately this government are lacking in leadership, and this
would be a classic tool to be able to present
to territory and show hey, we are doing doing what
we for the best interest of you. And here they're
evidence but they're not doing that, so that shows that
they've got something to hide.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Now I want to ask you about the situation with
the Northern Territory Children's Commissioner. It was revealed in Estimates
that her tenure will officially come to an end in
less than three months after she was acquitted of abusing
her office in March. Miss Gwinn has been on leave
since twenty twenty and she was charged, as we know,
with misusing her position to help a friend secure a job.
(11:27):
But on Tuesday in Budget Estimates, well we heard that
Miss Gwinn's paid leave has since been extended to September
sixth this year, at which point recruitment for the role
was expected to be advertised. Now, the Attorney General, Chancey
Pake said that his department was working with her about
the employment being finalized. Jerah, what do you think needs
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to happen here?
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Mate?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
This is a complete debarkle. The government need to come
out and explain the territories exactly what's happened, exactly what
is going to cost the taxpayer. Again, this is not
government money. This is tax payers money in this bungle. Prosecution,
the whole employment, the whole process needs to be fully
reviewed because there is something wrong with this. I'm not
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sure what it is and we don't have the evidence,
but something needs to be done because people, Territorians have
lost some trust. Again, this is just another nail in
the coffin of the trust that Territorians are lacking.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
When you say it needs to be reviewed, I mean,
do you think that that needs to be an internal review?
Do you think that there needs to be that this
needs to be handed over to the eye tack what
needs to happen.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Well, Look, ultimately, I don't think internal reviews enough because
reviewing yourself show previous history shows it doesn't work. It
needs to be going out into the open and the
public review. And if I CAx the way to do it,
let's just get it done. Because this Territorians are crying
out for leadership, crying out for some confidence, and this
whole debarkle has just lowered that level of trust.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Just a very quick one before I let you go.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
The colp reckons that this home and business battery scheme
has been touched from six thousand dollars to five thousand dollars.
What exactly are you talking about here when you talk
about the battery scheme? Is it getting a rebate on
the battery if you decide to go that way?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Yeah, if you make an application. The previous government program
was that you'd get six thousand.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Dollars to go towards your battery.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
And that's now being cut and we found out and
I certainly didn't see that out in the open until
it was just revealed and estimates. So they've cut that
down to five thousand dollars. And look, the colp's version
is that of that policy is that if you make
an application you'll get up to twelve thousand dollars, Because
what we're hearing is five thousand dollars doesn't get you
a big enough battery.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I mean, is that just trying to buy votes? Do
you think by making it twelve thousand?
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Well, no, what it is is actually putting money into
territory in its pockets, because if you're going to do something,
you do it properly, and no point putting half a
battery in if you need a battery because you wanted too,
if you got your solos and you want to have
that battery power back up. Well, it's going to cost
you about twelve thousand dollars, so it's no point cut
it down from six down to five miles. If you're
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going to do the job, you must do it properly.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Jared.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
How many days left of budget estimates? Is it on
tomorrow as well or just today?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
No?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yes? Today?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
If anishes at one point thirty and then Parliament resumes
at two thirty to have debate about whether the bill
is passed or.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Not, and what will you guys be what will you
guys be saying when that debate happens.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Oh, look at what I'm going to be saying, Katie,
is I'm going to outline some of these examples. This
is just we're really really clear that this labor government
of out of touch. They have misspending taxpayers money. They're
writing off taxpayers money which could be used for better resources.
As we've talked about, you know this sixty nine million
dollars with forty four million dollars in repairs and maintenance.
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This government have failed territories and just in this last
two weeks of estimate, there's examples right across every portfolio.
How this government have just become completely incompetent.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Well, Jared Maylee, you're not mincing your words this morning.
Thank you very much for your time. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Thank you, thank you,
Let's get into it because, as I said on Monday
this week, we spoke to Luke Gosling, the Federal member,
about the federal government's social housing announcement two billion dollars
on offer across Australia in an effort to boost social housing.
Fifty million dollars of urban social housing funds for the
Northern Territory is part of that announcement. So we started
the week with that good news. But unfortunately it seems
(00:22):
that some serious work is actually required when it comes
to public housing more generally. Now, the Shadow Minister for Housing,
Jared Mayley, says that yesterday they heard in estimates, in
addition to that sixty nine point seven million dollars in
remote rent which was written off last year, this year
they accumulated another six point eight million dollars in unpaid
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remote rent and four point seventy five million dollars in
unpaid urban rent. That means that Territorians are losing one
hundred and thirty grand a week in unpaid rent. Now
joining me on the line is the Deputy Opposition Leader,
Jared Maylee.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Good morning to you.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Jared, can you tell me what questions were asked around
rent and what's specifically in urban public housing.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yes, okaytie, So yesterday we had a line of questioning
about the public housing in remote areas and also urban areas,
just trying to gauge what's the level of consequence for
damage to public property which is characy housing, and also for.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Lack of paying rent.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
In those line questions, we uncovered that sixty nine million
dollars was written off last year for remote rent and
can you just think about what that could have brought
in relation to resourcing for the police, or resourcing for schools,
or resourcing.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
For our hospitals.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Instead, this government has just written it off and so
year already back to a six point eight million dollars
in remote rent and four point seventy five million in
urban rent. So that's a lot of money that hasn't
been collected which could be used for other purposes. And
so we're really starting to unick why the terroitor is
in such a bad state, because all these little things
(02:04):
add up to resourcing that could be used in other
places like police and health and education, which we know
is under resource and vitally important important to the Northern Territory.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
It's an awful lot of money.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
When you talk about unpaid rent, and you know, I
think we all know that if you live in private
private rental and you don't pay your rent, well, you're
going to be evicted. What is the situation in terms
of the ramifications to those in public housing if they
don't pay their rent?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Well, we asked that question, if they're we're been addicted
for not paying their rent, and the labor government could
answer that. You think that would be a pretty easy
question to ask, but the labor government so we don't
have the information and took what I noticed, which means
we won't get that information for another thirty days. And look,
some people might think that that's just the Labor Coment
trying to deflect their bad answer because they don't want
(02:50):
to give it because they know that their openings of
up to scrutiny becauld have done such a bad job
in relation to managing this is taxpayers money case. It's
the way, it's not the government's money. This is mum,
the downs out there working hard, paying their tax, and
then this labor government spend the tax pays money, and
now we're finding out that they're just writing off money.
Here and there, and we're not talking little bits which
quick at nine million dollars.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
It's a substantial amount, Jared's.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Stantial amount of money, and it was out to be
almost done. Eight hundred thousand dollars a month and unpaid
uncollected rent.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Jared, what if the CLP was in power, what would
you do when their attendants that aren't paying their rent?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Well, what we would do is we would make sure
that the COLP have a process in place that you
pay your rent each week, and there's ways of collection
through send leg and through direct deduction, because that's.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Where the problem lies.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
This is that labor government seems just to let it
go through the keeper and it'll be right, and don't
try and collect it the next minute. There is a
massive backlog of rent or unpaid rent, which would be
very difficult to pay back.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
So do you reckon?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
If it was easy, surely they would be doing it already.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Well, obviously they're not KD because we've got six point
eight million dollars worth of remote rent.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
And just like the private people, if you don't pay.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Your rent, the next day, someone comes knock on your
door and say, hey, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (04:04):
And I understand there's problems.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
But the most people are in public housing on some
sort of their link payment, so they get a set rent,
set payment every week. So there must be ways in
this day and age to be able to make sure
that the rent is payable on time, because it's tagging
players money and it's affecting the bottom line and affecting
right across.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
The Northern Territory.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Because, like I said, what about sixty nine million dollars
into the police office.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Wouldn't that be helpful for Yeah, it certainly would.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Hey, can you tell me what did you uncover in
terms of weight lists, because we know that there are
very extensive weight lists to obviously get into public housing.
Did you get much level of detail in terms of
how long people are waiting?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
No, we didn't get much detail and how long we
really got into You know, how if you damage property
of this, if you an unsavory tenant, what's the process
for getting a victory? Because we get lots of complaints
about people having public housing throughout the Northern suburbs and
throughout the Northern Territory, and they make people in the
name and people in the street make numerous complaints about
these tenets. Nothing seems to happen. We asked questions about that,
(05:06):
and we got was, oh, there was a process that
was it so detail?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Was there detail in terms of that process? Or no?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
No, no, they wouldn't give us any detail. And like
I said, I asked the question, how many people have
been evicted? I will take that on notice. So it
was very difficult. But you know, this government came into
power saying we're going to be open and accountable.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
I think this last two.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Weeks off estimates has really shown that they haven't been
open and accountable, and they've just got all these little
bits of waste of showing that they're incompetent. And this
is another classic example of sixty nine million dollars written
off six point eight million dollars in one year.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Jared, do we know how much money has been spent
on repairs? Because obviously we've got a situation as well
where you know, sometimes in those public housing homes, if
they're not cared for in the way that they should be.
And I do want to point out that there's plenty
of people that do live in public housing that look
after their homes very well. But do we have any
level of understanding of how much money has been spent
(06:01):
on repairs, Yes.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
We do.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Like I asked some questions about that, and the government
gave us a figure of forty four point nine million
dollars spent repairing remote housing, and including that was eleven
point four million dollars on those one hundred and twenty
five homes that were damaged in.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
What I how much?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
In what?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
How much?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Eleven point four million?
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Wow, So it came clear that.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
There was one hundred and twenty five homes of damage
and the government spent eleven point four million dollars. And
I asked some questions about has there been any effort
to recruit that money, because you know, the government said
that they were the victims of crime. And I fully
accept that if you were renting a home and someone
becomes the damage your property and it's not you where
you become a victim of crime. But then someone obviously
has been charged with that and there is steps in
(06:46):
place so the government can recover that money. And they
couldn't answer those questions.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Mmmm.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Look, I think it's seemed a big.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Cover up to me, Katie, And it just seems that
this government don't want to answer the questions. And if
they don't like the answer, they'll put on notice and
if it's think it's a.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Good answer, they'll answer.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
And it just really shows that this government is not
open and accountable. And these figures, we talk about forty
four point nine million dollars in one year spent on
remote housing.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, it is such a lot of money. It's a
huge amount of money. And then you know, earlier in
the week, obviously we're sprooking the fact that and I
know that social housing is very different to public housing,
but you know, we're sprooking the fact that across the board,
right around the nation, we've got this two billion dollars
that Anthony Albanezi had had announced across Australia. Fifty million
(07:31):
of that is for urban social housing. But then, you know,
when you look at the fact that we're spending such
a phenomenal amount of money, you know, on repairing housing,
you do think to yourself, if we can strengthen the
way in which we are dealing with tenants, and we
can strengthen the way in which we're dealing with people
who are not paying rent, who are not looking after
(07:53):
their homes, then surely we would be able to minimize
some of those wait lists of course.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Certainly because would have to be houses out there that
are uninhabitable or unavailable because they're dam which we also
found out yesterday through the National Housing Agreement with IT
which is a five year agreement that the government ends
in thirty June this year, and there's some seven hundred
and seventy odd rooms which are behind schedule, so they're
not going to meet that. So they've gone in the
negotiations to extend that for one year, and part of
(08:22):
that agreement they're getting an extra one hundred and eleven
million odd dollars, but they've got to build another one
hundred and fifty seven houses in one year, so they've
got to do their seven hundred rooms plus another one
hundred and fifty seven houses.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
They've got the money.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I'm just really worried that they won't be able to
get that up and running because the government isn't competent
and can't handle the workload and can't get that money
and those houses out where they're desperately needed.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Jared, I do want to move along.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
We know that the ABC is this morning reporting the
Northern Territory government's refusing to release a youth bail review report,
which is sitting with its Cabinet ministers against calls from
legal groups and unions and political opponents now. Earlier this week,
the Chief Minister Natasha Files promised to publicly release a second,
as yet unfinished review into bail laws, which was triggered
(09:08):
as we know after the stabbing death of Decklan Lavity.
But the government hads well, they've confirmed the other completed
bail report wouldn't see the light of day. The ABC
reporting that Police Minister Kate Warden released a statement saying
this youth bail review is part of a number of
initiatives introduced by the Territory Labor government to keep territori
(09:28):
ins safe. This is a Cabinet in confidence document and
will not be made public. Jared, why do you think
that this document should be made public?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Well, the territories have lost confidence and lost trust in
the law, the charity government the way they've handled the police,
and the police do a great job. Don't get me wrong,
the front line officers. If they weren't, they're doing such
a great job.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
We'd be in a world to hurt. But it's just
you know, look at those police surveys.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
You know, ninety odd percent of people of the police
aren't supported and resources are down.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
And looking for exisit strategies.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
This really goes to show that this government is not
serious about being open and accountable, and if they were,
they could waiver any confidential documents through cabinet and hand
it out because people out there in order charity don't
feel safe in their homes, they don't feel safe in
their communities, and they don't even feel safe going shopping
and doing the everyday basic steps of life. And yet
this government has got this information and won't hand it
(10:23):
because what's in it. Maybe they're scared of what's in it,
because we all know that their bail.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Laws have failed.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
They've narrowed down to the bail two prohibitive control weapons,
which is not working because most crime out there is
the improvised weapons.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Reckon do you reckon it with in terms of you know,
this one that is in is obviously into into into
use bail Do you reckon it?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Would help by making that public, of.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Course it would.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
You know, the Territorians are crying out for some leadership
and unfortunately this government are lacking in leadership, and this
would be a classic tool to be able to present
to territory and show hey, we are doing doing what
we for the best interest of you. And here they're
evidence but they're not doing that, so that shows that
they've got something to hide.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Now I want to ask you about the situation with
the Northern Territory Children's Commissioner. It was revealed in Estimates
that her tenure will officially come to an end in
less than three months after she was acquitted of abusing
her office in March. Miss Gwinn has been on leave
since twenty twenty and she was charged, as we know,
with misusing her position to help a friend secure a job.
(11:27):
But on Tuesday in Budget Estimates, well we heard that
Miss Gwinn's paid leave has since been extended to September
sixth this year, at which point recruitment for the role
was expected to be advertised. Now, the Attorney General, Chancey
Pake said that his department was working with her about
the employment being finalized. Jerah, what do you think needs
(11:48):
to happen here?
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Mate?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
This is a complete debarkle. The government need to come
out and explain the territories exactly what's happened, exactly what
is going to cost the taxpayer. Again, this is not
government money. This is tax payers money in this bungle. Prosecution,
the whole employment, the whole process needs to be fully
reviewed because there is something wrong with this. I'm not
(12:11):
sure what it is and we don't have the evidence,
but something needs to be done because people, Territorians have
lost some trust. Again, this is just another nail in
the coffin of the trust that Territorians are lacking.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
When you say it needs to be reviewed, I mean,
do you think that that needs to be an internal review?
Do you think that there needs to be that this
needs to be handed over to the eye tack what
needs to happen.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Well, Look, ultimately, I don't think internal reviews enough because
reviewing yourself show previous history shows it doesn't work. It
needs to be going out into the open and the
public review. And if I CAx the way to do it,
let's just get it done. Because this Territorians are crying
out for leadership, crying out for some confidence, and this
whole debarkle has just lowered that level of trust.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Just a very quick one before I let you go.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
The colp reckons that this home and business battery scheme
has been touched from six thousand dollars to five thousand dollars.
What exactly are you talking about here when you talk
about the battery scheme? Is it getting a rebate on
the battery if you decide to go that way?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Yeah, if you make an application. The previous government program
was that you'd get six thousand.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Dollars to go towards your battery.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
And that's now being cut and we found out and
I certainly didn't see that out in the open until
it was just revealed and estimates. So they've cut that
down to five thousand dollars. And look, the colp's version
is that of that policy is that if you make
an application you'll get up to twelve thousand dollars, Because
what we're hearing is five thousand dollars doesn't get you
a big enough battery.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I mean, is that just trying to buy votes? Do
you think by making it twelve thousand?
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Well, no, what it is is actually putting money into
territory in its pockets, because if you're going to do something,
you do it properly, and no point putting half a
battery in if you need a battery because you wanted too,
if you got your solos and you want to have
that battery power back up. Well, it's going to cost
you about twelve thousand dollars, so it's no point cut
it down from six down to five miles. If you're
(14:02):
going to do the job, you must do it properly.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Jared.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
How many days left of budget estimates? Is it on
tomorrow as well or just today?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
No?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yes? Today?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
If anishes at one point thirty and then Parliament resumes
at two thirty to have debate about whether the bill
is passed or.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Not, and what will you guys be what will you
guys be saying when that debate happens.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Oh, look at what I'm going to be saying, Katie,
is I'm going to outline some of these examples. This
is just we're really really clear that this labor government
of out of touch. They have misspending taxpayers money. They're
writing off taxpayers money which could be used for better resources.
As we've talked about, you know this sixty nine million
dollars with forty four million dollars in repairs and maintenance.
(14:46):
This government have failed territories and just in this last
two weeks of estimate, there's examples right across every portfolio.
How this government have just become completely incompetent.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Well, Jared Maylee, you're not mincing your words this morning.
Thank you very much for your time. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Thank you, thank you,
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