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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Labor has taken aim at the Chief Minister for sitting
on the NTIICAQ report into allegations of improper conduct regarding
senior police recruitment for eighteen days after she tabled the
full report in parliament yesterday. Now, the report by ICAC
Delegate Patricia Kelly said it was up to the discretion
of the Police Minister, which is indeed the Chief Minister,
(00:21):
as to whether the report or to be tabled in parliament,
but pointed to section fifty nine of the IKAK Act.
Now joining me on the line is the Deputy Opposition
Leader Duran Young. Good morning to you.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Duran, Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Now, Duran, do you think that the Chief Minister still
has questions to answer over this situation?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yes, I do. I believe the Chief Minister has a
lot of questions to answer over the IKAK report, which
was only handed down yesterday. But in that report, it
shows that the Chief Minister had known from day one
that she could speak free about that IKAQ report and
was able to table it in parliament. Yet since day one,
(01:06):
leaf and Nokira has repeatedly misled territories about the legalities
of the matter by hiding behind the IQAQ Act. But
at the same time, the IKACKED Inspector has made it
very clear nothing within the i CAAC the IQAQ Act
has prevented Leof and Noki are from speaking on this
report for the past eighteen days, which I find very concerning.
(01:30):
Can you speak on it?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Can you speak on it if it's not been tabled
publicly in parliament?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yes, she could have spoken on it. And look, I'm
I'm not here to do, haven't it?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Well, hang on, I just want to get to the
bottom of it though, because you know, because obviously I
was listening to question time yesterday and I hear what
you guys are saying, So you know, I hear that
there should have been discussion about this sooner, and I
certainly read as well with great interest the IKAC delegates
saying that it was up to the discretion of the
Police Minister, which is indeed the Chief Minister, as to
(02:03):
whether that report or to be tabled in parliament. So
that's what the wording says, tabled in parliament. But yesterday
was the first day of parliamentary sitting, so I'm trying
to wrap my head around how it could have been
tabled any sooner.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, so she could have obviously spoken sooner about this report.
What Leah f Nakia did was she was you know,
we all know the circus around those eight days it
took to the we found out it was the Police commissioner.
But what Leah did was she came out to say
that from a solicitor General that she could not speak
(02:40):
on her and not name anyone. Yet here we have
the report saying that she could table this in parliament.
So she's completely misled territories through that. I mean, it's
pretty clear what it states in the Ikak Act that
she could have tabled that in parliament. But she was
also able to speak freely about this report and not
(03:00):
make excuses to say that it doesn't sit within the
IKAKDAC and that that was the advice she'd been given
from the solicited General.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yet, how would you have done it differently? How do
you reckon you guys would have done it differently?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Oh? Look, I'm not Look, I would have gone out
and said, look, just give me a few days to
get the localities around this. Like we all understand that
there's legal issues that you have to follow, but that
the problem we have was Leaf and hid away for
eight whole days and didn't give any update to the public,
(03:38):
and we saw the circus that it created around this,
the instability within the police force that it created. All
left and I had to do was come out and say, look,
I've been I've received this report. I can table it
in Parliament. I'm going through it. The advice I've been
given from the Solicitor General is I can't speak on it.
But yet here we have the IQAC inspectors that will look.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
On I'm definitely not in the business of like I'm
definitely not in the business of defending chief ministers. I
mean I've had to question chief ministers for the last
ten years, every day of my life, so I'm not
in the business of defending them. But what i will
say is that, I mean, she did come on this show.
She has come on this showy every Monday and answered
(04:22):
questions on it. So I guess what I'm trying to
get to the bottom of is you know, yesterday the
Opposition Chancey Paike went as far as to calling for
the Chief Minister to resign, you know, earlier in the week.
But you've also just said that you do need to
you know, to do this in a thorough way.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah. But look the issue we have is Leaf and
Acchiara has said that she got advice from a solicitor
general and yet she still hasn't released that advice. Like,
we need certainty that she hasn't misled the public because
what the Ikacking inspect has come back with to say, well,
actually no that's not correct that the act does allow
(05:03):
you to release that report or table that report in parliament.
Yet if Andia were saying well, no, I can't speak
on this, there's legalities.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
That is what you want to say. You want to
see that solicitor general provice.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, I think that's the question that needs to be asked,
that she needs to release the advice from the Solicitor
General to ensure that she wasn't lying. I mean, we've
got parliament for the next this week and next week.
It was easy as tabling it in parliament. It would
take less than thirty seconds and that's all she needs
to do to ensure that she wasn't misleading territory as
(05:37):
the public and the media.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Hey, doern I know your press for time? I want
to ask you. Obviously late yesterday the Chief Minister said
that on the recommendation of the Executive Council, the former
Police Commissioner Michael Murphy's appointment was terminated by the Administrator
of the Northern Territory. Mister Murphy's entitlements and final payment
is going to be processed promptly and conditions of his
(06:01):
appointment in twenty twenty three requires payment of six months
renumeration upon termination. After reading the Eye Tach report and
seeing it full, you know, apart from a couple of
redacted paragraphs, do you support this? Oh?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Look, that's within his contract and that's up to the
government to sort out through. You know, what he's paid. Obviously,
that's in the terms of his contract. So I can't
speak on that specifically because there may be some legal
challenges for that to come as well.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
So you must have an opinion though, I mean, if
you've read through that report, now, do you think this
is the right move for him to no longer be
in that job.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I definitely think it's the right move that he's not
in that job. So yeah, he's obviously been stood down,
But in terms of his contract and the conditions of
his contract, obviously he can't speak against that because that
sits within his own contracts.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Hey very quickly. I know again, I know your press
for time, as are we. What is the focus from
the opposition today? It is Is it general business day today? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It is general business day today. We do have one
piece of legislation coming up from the CLP government to
remove the Portable Long Service League, which is obviously quite
concerning from us. You know. This would allow homeless providers,
disability workers, domestic violence supporters to have access to longer
(07:34):
service leave and the CLP is scrapping that now, which
gives uncertainty to that insitude, so that something will be
fighting against today.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Well, Doran Young, the Deputy Opposition leader, good to speak
with you this morning. I really appreciate you taking the
time to have a.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Chat with us anytime. Katie, thank you
Labor has taken aim at the Chief Minister for sitting
on the NTIICAQ report into allegations of improper conduct regarding
senior police recruitment for eighteen days after she tabled the
full report in parliament yesterday. Now, the report by ICAC
Delegate Patricia Kelly said it was up to the discretion
of the Police Minister, which is indeed the Chief Minister,
(00:21):
as to whether the report or to be tabled in parliament,
but pointed to section fifty nine of the IKAK Act.
Now joining me on the line is the Deputy Opposition
Leader Duran Young. Good morning to you.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Duran, Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Now, Duran, do you think that the Chief Minister still
has questions to answer over this situation?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yes, I do. I believe the Chief Minister has a
lot of questions to answer over the IKAK report, which
was only handed down yesterday. But in that report, it
shows that the Chief Minister had known from day one
that she could speak free about that IKAQ report and
was able to table it in parliament. Yet since day one,
(01:06):
leaf and Nokira has repeatedly misled territories about the legalities
of the matter by hiding behind the IQAQ Act. But
at the same time, the IKACKED Inspector has made it
very clear nothing within the i CAAC the IQAQ Act
has prevented Leof and Noki are from speaking on this
report for the past eighteen days, which I find very concerning.
(01:30):
Can you speak on it?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Can you speak on it if it's not been tabled
publicly in parliament?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yes, she could have spoken on it. And look, I'm
I'm not here to do, haven't it?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Well, hang on, I just want to get to the
bottom of it though, because you know, because obviously I
was listening to question time yesterday and I hear what
you guys are saying, So you know, I hear that
there should have been discussion about this sooner, and I
certainly read as well with great interest the IKAC delegates
saying that it was up to the discretion of the
Police Minister, which is indeed the Chief Minister, as to
(02:03):
whether that report or to be tabled in parliament. So
that's what the wording says, tabled in parliament. But yesterday
was the first day of parliamentary sitting, so I'm trying
to wrap my head around how it could have been
tabled any sooner.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, so she could have obviously spoken sooner about this report.
What Leah f Nakia did was she was you know,
we all know the circus around those eight days it
took to the we found out it was the Police commissioner.
But what Leah did was she came out to say
that from a solicitor General that she could not speak
(02:40):
on her and not name anyone. Yet here we have
the report saying that she could table this in parliament.
So she's completely misled territories through that. I mean, it's
pretty clear what it states in the Ikak Act that
she could have tabled that in parliament. But she was
also able to speak freely about this report and not
(03:00):
make excuses to say that it doesn't sit within the
IKAKDAC and that that was the advice she'd been given
from the solicited General.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yet, how would you have done it differently? How do
you reckon you guys would have done it differently?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Oh? Look, I'm not Look, I would have gone out
and said, look, just give me a few days to
get the localities around this. Like we all understand that
there's legal issues that you have to follow, but that
the problem we have was Leaf and hid away for
eight whole days and didn't give any update to the public,
(03:38):
and we saw the circus that it created around this,
the instability within the police force that it created. All
left and I had to do was come out and say, look,
I've been I've received this report. I can table it
in Parliament. I'm going through it. The advice I've been
given from the Solicitor General is I can't speak on it.
But yet here we have the IQAC inspectors that will look.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
On I'm definitely not in the business of like I'm
definitely not in the business of defending chief ministers. I
mean I've had to question chief ministers for the last
ten years, every day of my life, so I'm not
in the business of defending them. But what i will
say is that, I mean, she did come on this show.
She has come on this showy every Monday and answered
(04:22):
questions on it. So I guess what I'm trying to
get to the bottom of is you know, yesterday the
Opposition Chancey Paike went as far as to calling for
the Chief Minister to resign, you know, earlier in the week.
But you've also just said that you do need to
you know, to do this in a thorough way.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah. But look the issue we have is Leaf and
Acchiara has said that she got advice from a solicitor
general and yet she still hasn't released that advice. Like,
we need certainty that she hasn't misled the public because
what the Ikacking inspect has come back with to say, well,
actually no that's not correct that the act does allow
(05:03):
you to release that report or table that report in parliament.
Yet if Andia were saying well, no, I can't speak
on this, there's legalities.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
That is what you want to say. You want to
see that solicitor general provice.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, I think that's the question that needs to be asked,
that she needs to release the advice from the Solicitor
General to ensure that she wasn't lying. I mean, we've
got parliament for the next this week and next week.
It was easy as tabling it in parliament. It would
take less than thirty seconds and that's all she needs
to do to ensure that she wasn't misleading territory as
(05:37):
the public and the media.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Hey, doern I know your press for time? I want
to ask you. Obviously late yesterday the Chief Minister said
that on the recommendation of the Executive Council, the former
Police Commissioner Michael Murphy's appointment was terminated by the Administrator
of the Northern Territory. Mister Murphy's entitlements and final payment
is going to be processed promptly and conditions of his
(06:01):
appointment in twenty twenty three requires payment of six months
renumeration upon termination. After reading the Eye Tach report and
seeing it full, you know, apart from a couple of
redacted paragraphs, do you support this? Oh?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Look, that's within his contract and that's up to the
government to sort out through. You know, what he's paid. Obviously,
that's in the terms of his contract. So I can't
speak on that specifically because there may be some legal
challenges for that to come as well.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
So you must have an opinion though, I mean, if
you've read through that report, now, do you think this
is the right move for him to no longer be
in that job.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I definitely think it's the right move that he's not
in that job. So yeah, he's obviously been stood down,
But in terms of his contract and the conditions of
his contract, obviously he can't speak against that because that
sits within his own contracts.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Hey very quickly. I know again, I know your press
for time, as are we. What is the focus from
the opposition today? It is Is it general business day today? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It is general business day today. We do have one
piece of legislation coming up from the CLP government to
remove the Portable Long Service League, which is obviously quite
concerning from us. You know. This would allow homeless providers,
disability workers, domestic violence supporters to have access to longer
(07:34):
service leave and the CLP is scrapping that now, which
gives uncertainty to that insitude, so that something will be
fighting against today.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Well, Doran Young, the Deputy Opposition leader, good to speak
with you this morning. I really appreciate you taking the
time to have a.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Chat with us anytime. Katie, thank you
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