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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now, as I mentioned at the stars of the show,
a notorious outback murder of Bradley John Murdoch has died,
so coming to terminal throat cancer. Now his death comes
days just days after the father of murdered British backpacker,
Peter Falconio, made an emotional plea for the convicted killer
(00:23):
to reveal where his son's remains were. Now we know
that Murdoch remained tight lip lipped, I should say, taking
his secrets to the grave. Just having some issues getting
our next guest on the line, so hopefully we're able
to do so in just a moment. But well, joining
us on the line is former mt Police officer Colleen Gwynn,
(00:47):
who lead the investigation into the disappearance of Peter Falconio.
Good morning, Colleen, Hey, how are you Cody? Yeah, pretty good, Colleen.
I mean, obviously we found out early this morning that
Murdock was had indeed passed away. What was your reaction
when when you found out that that he had indeed died?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Look, I found out very early this morning as well.
Look it's been expected, But I guess my thoughts went
straight to Peter, the Falconio's and how they would be
feeling more than about how I was feeling, and having
been able to chat to them this morning, you know,
(01:33):
it's it's a really hard to know how to feel today,
to be honest.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
So have you spoken to the Falconio family this morning?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah? I have, I have.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I mean, how are they going, because it's it's hard
to describe. I suppose you know how like how people
must be feeling at this point because as much as
you you know your wish the murderer the worst, you
also you know you're wanting to actually reveal what he
(02:06):
did to Peter's body.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah. Well, I don't really want to go too much
into my discussion with them, but I feel that I
guess today is just about honoring Peter and Joanne, who
was so brave through this, and I guess that prolonged,
(02:33):
prolonged agony continues for them, but in hope's not lost.
I've said to you before, I think in an interview
and others, that when someone like Bradley Murdoch is in incarceration,
there's opportunity to talk. And has he said something to
(02:57):
another inmate, has he spoken to one of his friends
or connections outside of the prison, and it's been either
loyalty to him or that element of intimidation by Murdock
that they haven't come forward until now. So we can
only hope that maybe some often knows something and will
(03:21):
now feel free to come forward, whether it be for
their reward or just to do the right thing.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, I have wondered that. I have wondered whether it
might actually, you know, it might mean that someone is
sort of enticed to come forward now that he has died,
as they might feel sort of safer or more willing
to do so.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, well that's the hope, Katie, that's our hope, and
we will never stop paping, and a lot the Falconio
family and they are amazing resilient people who continue to
look for positives, continue to have hope. But there is
no doubt that that that that family agony continues every
(04:13):
day when you have a son taken from you, which
was hard enough, but then to never know what happened
or find him is just it's just a it just continues.
And yeah's it will always be difficult for them. It
changed their life that day. Yeah, And yeah, I just
(04:37):
I kind of take I've probably taken on a bit
of their emotion today and you develop these relationships with
people and and to see what they've gone through. I
wouldn't wish that on anybody.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
And then the heartbreak you know as well, of like
you know, reliving it all every time something like this
sort of comes up in the media. And I know
that you know for different reasons over the last sort
of twenty four years that it has been relived in
the media. But now you know the fact that Murdoch
(05:10):
has died and everybody is talking about their son again
and talking about this murderer again. And as I think
you said right at the start, you know luck you
want Peter to be the one that is remembered and
remembered fondly. And yeah, it's just a terrible situation all round. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Look, they Peter and Joanne had say for this holiday
for many years, this was their last holiday before they
planned to have a family settled down, and they would
never do that. This would change thing forever, Colleen.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I mean, do you believe that someone out there knows
where Peter's body is?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah? I do. I do believe that. I think that
to keep that secret for this for these many many
years would have been difficult, and I think someone knows.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Something, Colleen, I know we have such a raft of
different people that listen to this show every day, and
I know that you know some of the prisoners listen
to the show as well. I mean, what is your
message for them?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I guess for the family, mus stress to anyone that
knows anything, regardless how insignificant they may think it is.
It's not until the police get to weigh that up
as to how that may assist with finding what just
(06:43):
knowing what happened to Peter after you know, he was murdered.
So I would just thress to them to do the
right thing and come forward and just for the family
and just to assist them for the rest of their
life and give them some sort of closure on that
aspect of this, of this whole horrendous situation.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
And Colleen, having no doubt interviewed Bradley John Murdock on
numerous occasions and getting a bit of an insight into
the kind of person that he was. I mean, do
you it sounds as though you think it is entirely
plausible that he's that he would have told someone something,
(07:30):
but you know, he was maybe too sort of intimidating
to then for those people to come forward while he
was still alive.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah. Look, his personality is such that he loves to
have control. He feels entitled to control others, and when
he loses that control, he likes to seek revenge when
he feels like he's been wrong. And I think that's
part of why he's never disclosed, is that he wanted
to keep that control. He lost control roll that night.
(08:00):
He lost control because Joanne fought for her life, and
that I think is critical around why he took it
to his dead. Yeah. I'm not sure what else I
can say other than that he's a psychopath. I think
that he's probably being responsible for other crimes that are
(08:24):
still that we're completely unaware of. This was a premeditated crime.
He targeted them. He just didn't count for as Joeanne
would fight like you did.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I don't know how whether you can say much about
it or not, Colleen, But what was he like to
interview and to you know, to ask those questions when
you were you know, when you were in charge of
this case and when you were trying, you know, trying
to piece it all together.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Look, what was he like?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Question? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Like was he you know?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Was he he was very nervous. He was very uh.
He was certainly felt intimidated by myself and my colleague
that went to see him. He didn't feel he was
very much. I didn't feel in control of what he
was saying. He was he was, Yeah, he was more
(09:22):
certainly more nervous of how we were and he knew
that we had enough evidence to convict him. He knew
he was in a world heard at that time, and
didn't know what he could or couldn't say, and certainly
not the figure that I thought he would be. I
didn't find him intimidating at all. I found I found
(09:43):
him to be uh, I guess, not particularly sophisticated or
not particularly ordered in what he said.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Colleen. I always appreciate your time. I know our listeners
appreciate your time. They were calling for you to have
a segment, you know, on the show last time you're on.
They like hearing from you.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Colleen. Oh, that's nice to know. It's I missed the
territory every day and it's always good to come on
and have a chat to you.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Can you too, Colleen, Gwen good to speak with you
this morning. Thank you so much for your time. Thanks
for your insight
Now, as I mentioned at the stars of the show,
a notorious outback murder of Bradley John Murdoch has died,
so coming to terminal throat cancer. Now his death comes
days just days after the father of murdered British backpacker,
Peter Falconio, made an emotional plea for the convicted killer
(00:23):
to reveal where his son's remains were. Now we know
that Murdoch remained tight lip lipped, I should say, taking
his secrets to the grave. Just having some issues getting
our next guest on the line, so hopefully we're able
to do so in just a moment. But well, joining
us on the line is former mt Police officer Colleen Gwynn,
(00:47):
who lead the investigation into the disappearance of Peter Falconio.
Good morning, Colleen, Hey, how are you Cody? Yeah, pretty good, Colleen.
I mean, obviously we found out early this morning that
Murdock was had indeed passed away. What was your reaction
when when you found out that that he had indeed died?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Look, I found out very early this morning as well.
Look it's been expected, But I guess my thoughts went
straight to Peter, the Falconio's and how they would be
feeling more than about how I was feeling, and having
been able to chat to them this morning, you know,
(01:33):
it's it's a really hard to know how to feel today,
to be honest.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
So have you spoken to the Falconio family this morning?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah? I have, I have.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I mean, how are they going, because it's it's hard
to describe. I suppose you know how like how people
must be feeling at this point because as much as
you you know your wish the murderer the worst, you
also you know you're wanting to actually reveal what he
(02:06):
did to Peter's body.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah. Well, I don't really want to go too much
into my discussion with them, but I feel that I
guess today is just about honoring Peter and Joanne, who
was so brave through this, and I guess that prolonged,
(02:33):
prolonged agony continues for them, but in hope's not lost.
I've said to you before, I think in an interview
and others, that when someone like Bradley Murdoch is in incarceration,
there's opportunity to talk. And has he said something to
(02:57):
another inmate, has he spoken to one of his friends
or connections outside of the prison, and it's been either
loyalty to him or that element of intimidation by Murdock
that they haven't come forward until now. So we can
only hope that maybe some often knows something and will
(03:21):
now feel free to come forward, whether it be for
their reward or just to do the right thing.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, I have wondered that. I have wondered whether it
might actually, you know, it might mean that someone is
sort of enticed to come forward now that he has died,
as they might feel sort of safer or more willing
to do so.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, well that's the hope, Katie, that's our hope, and
we will never stop paping, and a lot the Falconio
family and they are amazing resilient people who continue to
look for positives, continue to have hope. But there is
no doubt that that that that family agony continues every
(04:13):
day when you have a son taken from you, which
was hard enough, but then to never know what happened
or find him is just it's just a it just continues.
And yeah's it will always be difficult for them. It
changed their life that day. Yeah, And yeah, I just
(04:37):
I kind of take I've probably taken on a bit
of their emotion today and you develop these relationships with
people and and to see what they've gone through. I
wouldn't wish that on anybody.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
And then the heartbreak you know as well, of like
you know, reliving it all every time something like this
sort of comes up in the media. And I know
that you know for different reasons over the last sort
of twenty four years that it has been relived in
the media. But now you know the fact that Murdoch
(05:10):
has died and everybody is talking about their son again
and talking about this murderer again. And as I think
you said right at the start, you know luck you
want Peter to be the one that is remembered and
remembered fondly. And yeah, it's just a terrible situation all round. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Look, they Peter and Joanne had say for this holiday
for many years, this was their last holiday before they
planned to have a family settled down, and they would
never do that. This would change thing forever, Colleen.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I mean, do you believe that someone out there knows
where Peter's body is?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah? I do. I do believe that. I think that
to keep that secret for this for these many many
years would have been difficult, and I think someone knows.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Something, Colleen, I know we have such a raft of
different people that listen to this show every day, and
I know that you know some of the prisoners listen
to the show as well. I mean, what is your
message for them?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I guess for the family, mus stress to anyone that
knows anything, regardless how insignificant they may think it is.
It's not until the police get to weigh that up
as to how that may assist with finding what just
(06:43):
knowing what happened to Peter after you know, he was murdered.
So I would just thress to them to do the
right thing and come forward and just for the family
and just to assist them for the rest of their
life and give them some sort of closure on that
aspect of this, of this whole horrendous situation.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
And Colleen, having no doubt interviewed Bradley John Murdock on
numerous occasions and getting a bit of an insight into
the kind of person that he was. I mean, do
you it sounds as though you think it is entirely
plausible that he's that he would have told someone something,
(07:30):
but you know, he was maybe too sort of intimidating
to then for those people to come forward while he
was still alive.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah. Look, his personality is such that he loves to
have control. He feels entitled to control others, and when
he loses that control, he likes to seek revenge when
he feels like he's been wrong. And I think that's
part of why he's never disclosed, is that he wanted
to keep that control. He lost control roll that night.
(08:00):
He lost control because Joanne fought for her life, and
that I think is critical around why he took it
to his dead. Yeah. I'm not sure what else I
can say other than that he's a psychopath. I think
that he's probably being responsible for other crimes that are
(08:24):
still that we're completely unaware of. This was a premeditated crime.
He targeted them. He just didn't count for as Joeanne
would fight like you did.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I don't know how whether you can say much about
it or not, Colleen, But what was he like to
interview and to you know, to ask those questions when
you were you know, when you were in charge of
this case and when you were trying, you know, trying
to piece it all together.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Look, what was he like?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Question? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Like was he you know?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Was he he was very nervous. He was very uh.
He was certainly felt intimidated by myself and my colleague
that went to see him. He didn't feel he was
very much. I didn't feel in control of what he
was saying. He was he was, Yeah, he was more
(09:22):
certainly more nervous of how we were and he knew
that we had enough evidence to convict him. He knew
he was in a world heard at that time, and
didn't know what he could or couldn't say, and certainly
not the figure that I thought he would be. I
didn't find him intimidating at all. I found I found
(09:43):
him to be uh, I guess, not particularly sophisticated or
not particularly ordered in what he said.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Colleen. I always appreciate your time. I know our listeners
appreciate your time. They were calling for you to have
a segment, you know, on the show last time you're on.
They like hearing from you.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Colleen. Oh, that's nice to know. It's I missed the
territory every day and it's always good to come on
and have a chat to you.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Can you too, Colleen, Gwen good to speak with you
this morning. Thank you so much for your time. Thanks
for your insight
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