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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Kezierpuic joining us on the line right now, get a Keasier.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hey, good morning, Katie. Very interesting day today for sure.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Oh isn't it just Kezier. I'll ask you first about
this ambulance review. What do you make of it?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Katie? This is a third review in as many months,
and I find it very curious, two three months out
from a general election that this Labor government says, oh,
we need to have a review into the same John
Ambulance and its ambulance services. We're not talking about training,
will volunteer or first aid, get supplies, et cetera, just
the emergency ambulance service. And I think it's just curious
(00:35):
three months out and then the results won't be known
to after the election sometime in July. And I'm thinking
that this is a political ploy. Look, I thought the
same review.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, I thought the same. I thought exactly the same.
I thought to myself, why do we need a third
review this close to an election, within the results of
that review or the outcome of that review not known
until towards the end of the year.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
That's right, I mean, I think gets done to placate
the Union. I mean, let's be honest. The unions have
been quite open and quite vocal about their opposition to
this labor government in regards to their position on gas,
b toloo, fracking, et cetera, middle arm, everything to do
with the gas industry from the word go to the
final product. Now, I don't have an issue with er
in Early. I think she does a very good job
(01:19):
for her union. That's what her job is. But I
find it curious that when you have a unionized organization
or group, there's always going to be unrest. Like look
at the fire service, you know, look at any other
situation where you've got units. When Impets was being built,
there was all sorts of union issies, you know, power
and water always union issies. That's a given. That's their
job to look after the workers. But you know, this
(01:39):
business about giving the ambulance service or the government to
take it back, the government never had it. The government
never had the ambulance service. The ambulance service was the
deal was structured after cyclone tracing for the ambulance service.
And there's no one around that would remember that far.
They probably, but it was after the cyclone tracing the
government of the day, which is pre no after self government,
(02:01):
no pre self government. Nothing that Saint John was best
equipped to run the imogity ambulances because they had the
ambulances for their volunteer work. And since that time, Saint John,
which is a private organization, has run that ambulance amongst
other things. If the government, in their poor wisdom, was
to decide, oh, yes, we think we'll take it over
here would be a huge cost of taxpayers.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Well that's what I want us.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
All the vehicles they own, all the vehicles, cater own,
all the equipment they own, the physical land and the
centers that the ambulance centers are on. They have a
workshop that services the vehicles, you know, to kick them
on the road, whatever vehicle it is. So you know,
it's fine for these some officers to say, oh, we
want the government, we want to be a government department.
That's not reality. And honestly, I think if you ask
(02:43):
the government they would say, yes, we had no issue
reviewing Saint John because they're getting a lot of taxpayers money,
and fair enough, we've got to make sure it's being
spent properly, efficiently, effectively. But I just think this review
is just timely given the election, and I think it's
to crocate the unions well, and that's the bottom line.
I think they're doing an okay job, Saint John and Taddy.
The other thing is they would be so bloody busy
(03:05):
if we didn't have so much bloody clime on our
streets and people getting hurt and paramedics being stretched to
the limit. If there was not so much crime and
people hurting each other, punching, stabbing, shooting crossbows, whatever, we
wouldn't have such a stretched ambulance. So it comes back
to the lawlessness that we currently have in our territory.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Look, I'm finding it hard to disagree with you on
a lot of the things that you're saying this morning.
Keys here, Like, I agree that lawlessness that we're saying
in the crime and the impacts of alcohol issues, et cetera,
must be having such a huge impact.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Mostly our college on the first one to say that,
and of course everyone would agree. You know, whether it
be on the roads, people drunk and driving and crashing
and killing each other and whatever. It's driving the level
of crime and it's driving the level of harm. And
that's why police, the resources are stretched, ambiance resources are
stressed coming into our drives and you'll buy our fire
services a stress. Ye, look, I just think who's paying
(04:01):
for this review as well?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
And also though, yeah, how much is it going to cost?
I did ask Aaron to this as well. You know,
our hospital system is going in and out of code
yellows at the moment too, Like we know that our
hospitals are under resources, they are understrained. So then how
are we going to go if our ambulance service also
gets picked up by the health department? And she said, oh, look,
there may be a situation where it actually goes under
(04:25):
the Department of the Emergency Services and fieries.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
That's not going to happen, Katie, it will not happen
that way. I mean, I think something she said was
not quite correct. Like in the past it has changed,
but Saint John used to run the ambulance service in
Wa and also in Queensland. But I think that situations
change and they're just doing the traditional Saint John ambulance
activities in those states. But you know, I don't believe
the system is broke. If there's ways to create more efficiency,
(04:51):
good Yeah, And I know St John would be pleased
to welcome any review that helps them do their job better.
The reason they need more funding is because they're doing
so much all work, because people are hurting each other
and killing each other. That's the reason they need more funding.
And that's you know, if you could have ambulance services
that could go into code yellow, I'm sure they're permanently
in a code yellow situation.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I reckon they'd be under a lot of stress, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Well do you know that, Parmason, you're at the regional
hospital and then you've got that sort of emergency health
center at the Palmerston precinct that was closed on Thursday
Friday because they couldn't get any doctors because I had
we had to take my mother to the hospital because
her bloody kangaroo did a chunk out of her arm.
And I would have, Oh, no, I don't worry that
kangaroos got a good clip under the ears. Put a
(05:35):
little bloody, put a little cracker in its pouch and
they'll make it hoop along. Pet kangaroo. All right, about
pet kangaroo, She's called hissy fit for a very good reason.
But my point is that I would have preferred, my
sister would have preferred to take that censer. It's sort
of like an emergency, but it was closed. Some people
(05:55):
told me they we haven't got a doctor could put there.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I agree. Well, there's so many issues, I think in
terms of the stress on our health system, right, I
think it's such a it's a it's been a bit
of a sleeper issue because we've all been so concerned
with the issues of crime and personal safety, but it
is something that's impacting so many people. Kes I just
want to move on very quickly, though, I want to
ask you just very quickly. We know that the Northern
(06:24):
Territory KAC Commissioner has well he tabled a report in
Parliament last night, the Northern Territories corruption watchdog recommending greatest
scrutiny on politicians traveling at the taxpayers expense during election
campaigns in a report that was released. I mean, Kesier,
have you had much of an opportunity to look at this?
Do you think it passes a pub test?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
The bloody passes no pub test. I mean, I just
find it remarkable. The IKA commission and Commissioner finds that
the planes were flown to these three community with Michael
Gunner and his staff and who else on polling day
and it was in his diary that he was going
to these places on polling day and that he didn't
(07:06):
find misappropriation of funds. I mean seriously, like you can't
sit on the fence. I mean, you sit on a
barbe our fence, You're going to get bloody hurt, that's
for sure, you know. And I just find it amazing that,
you know, the whole report is about I found this,
I found that, this is this, this is that. Oh
and by the way, I don't find any course from
(07:26):
misconduct when it's clear as black and white in the
then Chief Minister's diary Michael Gunner that he was traveling
biplane to these communities on polling day and yet he
said it was from ministery or bloody work for bullshit.
It was in caretaker mode. There shouldn't have been any
expenditure like that in caretaker mode, which for people listening,
means as soon as the government goes into caretaker mode,
(07:48):
no unusual expenditure of potments or decisions are made.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Mass of that caretaker mode really doesn't.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
It, Yes, And it's just extraordinary this report. So I
just find it amazing. I just think, you know, there
needs to be a serious, hard look at perhaps what
goes into the kap and perhaps what comes out. I
get it. I know I've got history and I've got
a conflict of interest there. Yeah, and I've put that
out there. But I just find that report extraordinary that
there was nothing found. So what else is going to
(08:17):
come out of that commission? Where it's a bit of
a bob each way? You know, have a picture of
buddher on one side of the wall and have my
Donna on the other side of the board. You sometimes
have to make a hard decision and say this is
not right.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, can you see the.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Recommendations are just like, oh, you know, electoral losses should
do this, and elector losses should put in time shifts.
I mean, really, he didn't. I wonder if he actually
spoke to any electoral officers.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Well, yeah, look, I'm not one hundred percent of I will.
I will certainly be continuing to talk about this now, No,
when that was tomorrow. I'm off to run a marathon.
But we'll see you next week.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Can't make sure you eat, drink those elf things that
hit your legs normal something along the way. Thank you, easier,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
So you like by now
Kezierpuic joining us on the line right now, get a Keasier.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hey, good morning, Katie. Very interesting day today for sure.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Oh isn't it just Kezier. I'll ask you first about
this ambulance review. What do you make of it?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Katie? This is a third review in as many months,
and I find it very curious, two three months out
from a general election that this Labor government says, oh,
we need to have a review into the same John
Ambulance and its ambulance services. We're not talking about training,
will volunteer or first aid, get supplies, et cetera, just
the emergency ambulance service. And I think it's just curious
(00:35):
three months out and then the results won't be known
to after the election sometime in July. And I'm thinking
that this is a political ploy. Look, I thought the
same review.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, I thought the same. I thought exactly the same.
I thought to myself, why do we need a third
review this close to an election, within the results of
that review or the outcome of that review not known
until towards the end of the year.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
That's right, I mean, I think gets done to placate
the Union. I mean, let's be honest. The unions have
been quite open and quite vocal about their opposition to
this labor government in regards to their position on gas,
b toloo, fracking, et cetera, middle arm, everything to do
with the gas industry from the word go to the
final product. Now, I don't have an issue with er
in Early. I think she does a very good job
(01:19):
for her union. That's what her job is. But I
find it curious that when you have a unionized organization
or group, there's always going to be unrest. Like look
at the fire service, you know, look at any other
situation where you've got units. When Impets was being built,
there was all sorts of union issies, you know, power
and water always union issies. That's a given. That's their
job to look after the workers. But you know, this
(01:39):
business about giving the ambulance service or the government to
take it back, the government never had it. The government
never had the ambulance service. The ambulance service was the
deal was structured after cyclone tracing for the ambulance service.
And there's no one around that would remember that far.
They probably, but it was after the cyclone tracing the
government of the day, which is pre no after self government,
(02:01):
no pre self government. Nothing that Saint John was best
equipped to run the imogity ambulances because they had the
ambulances for their volunteer work. And since that time, Saint John,
which is a private organization, has run that ambulance amongst
other things. If the government, in their poor wisdom, was
to decide, oh, yes, we think we'll take it over
here would be a huge cost of taxpayers.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Well that's what I want us.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
All the vehicles they own, all the vehicles, cater own,
all the equipment they own, the physical land and the
centers that the ambulance centers are on. They have a
workshop that services the vehicles, you know, to kick them
on the road, whatever vehicle it is. So you know,
it's fine for these some officers to say, oh, we
want the government, we want to be a government department.
That's not reality. And honestly, I think if you ask
(02:43):
the government they would say, yes, we had no issue
reviewing Saint John because they're getting a lot of taxpayers money,
and fair enough, we've got to make sure it's being
spent properly, efficiently, effectively. But I just think this review
is just timely given the election, and I think it's
to crocate the unions well, and that's the bottom line.
I think they're doing an okay job, Saint John and Taddy.
The other thing is they would be so bloody busy
(03:05):
if we didn't have so much bloody clime on our
streets and people getting hurt and paramedics being stretched to
the limit. If there was not so much crime and
people hurting each other, punching, stabbing, shooting crossbows, whatever, we
wouldn't have such a stretched ambulance. So it comes back
to the lawlessness that we currently have in our territory.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Look, I'm finding it hard to disagree with you on
a lot of the things that you're saying this morning.
Keys here, Like, I agree that lawlessness that we're saying
in the crime and the impacts of alcohol issues, et cetera,
must be having such a huge impact.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Mostly our college on the first one to say that,
and of course everyone would agree. You know, whether it
be on the roads, people drunk and driving and crashing
and killing each other and whatever. It's driving the level
of crime and it's driving the level of harm. And
that's why police, the resources are stretched, ambiance resources are
stressed coming into our drives and you'll buy our fire
services a stress. Ye, look, I just think who's paying
(04:01):
for this review as well?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
And also though, yeah, how much is it going to cost?
I did ask Aaron to this as well. You know,
our hospital system is going in and out of code
yellows at the moment too, Like we know that our
hospitals are under resources, they are understrained. So then how
are we going to go if our ambulance service also
gets picked up by the health department? And she said, oh, look,
there may be a situation where it actually goes under
(04:25):
the Department of the Emergency Services and fieries.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
That's not going to happen, Katie, it will not happen
that way. I mean, I think something she said was
not quite correct. Like in the past it has changed,
but Saint John used to run the ambulance service in
Wa and also in Queensland. But I think that situations
change and they're just doing the traditional Saint John ambulance
activities in those states. But you know, I don't believe
the system is broke. If there's ways to create more efficiency,
(04:51):
good Yeah, And I know St John would be pleased
to welcome any review that helps them do their job better.
The reason they need more funding is because they're doing
so much all work, because people are hurting each other
and killing each other. That's the reason they need more funding.
And that's you know, if you could have ambulance services
that could go into code yellow, I'm sure they're permanently
in a code yellow situation.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I reckon they'd be under a lot of stress, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Well do you know that, Parmason, you're at the regional
hospital and then you've got that sort of emergency health
center at the Palmerston precinct that was closed on Thursday
Friday because they couldn't get any doctors because I had
we had to take my mother to the hospital because
her bloody kangaroo did a chunk out of her arm.
And I would have, Oh, no, I don't worry that
kangaroos got a good clip under the ears. Put a
(05:35):
little bloody, put a little cracker in its pouch and
they'll make it hoop along. Pet kangaroo. All right, about
pet kangaroo, She's called hissy fit for a very good reason.
But my point is that I would have preferred, my
sister would have preferred to take that censer. It's sort
of like an emergency, but it was closed. Some people
(05:55):
told me they we haven't got a doctor could put there.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I agree. Well, there's so many issues, I think in
terms of the stress on our health system, right, I
think it's such a it's a it's been a bit
of a sleeper issue because we've all been so concerned
with the issues of crime and personal safety, but it
is something that's impacting so many people. Kes I just
want to move on very quickly, though, I want to
ask you just very quickly. We know that the Northern
(06:24):
Territory KAC Commissioner has well he tabled a report in
Parliament last night, the Northern Territories corruption watchdog recommending greatest
scrutiny on politicians traveling at the taxpayers expense during election
campaigns in a report that was released. I mean, Kesier,
have you had much of an opportunity to look at this?
Do you think it passes a pub test?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
The bloody passes no pub test. I mean, I just
find it remarkable. The IKA commission and Commissioner finds that
the planes were flown to these three community with Michael
Gunner and his staff and who else on polling day
and it was in his diary that he was going
to these places on polling day and that he didn't
(07:06):
find misappropriation of funds. I mean seriously, like you can't
sit on the fence. I mean, you sit on a
barbe our fence, You're going to get bloody hurt, that's
for sure, you know. And I just find it amazing that,
you know, the whole report is about I found this,
I found that, this is this, this is that. Oh
and by the way, I don't find any course from
(07:26):
misconduct when it's clear as black and white in the
then Chief Minister's diary Michael Gunner that he was traveling
biplane to these communities on polling day and yet he
said it was from ministery or bloody work for bullshit.
It was in caretaker mode. There shouldn't have been any
expenditure like that in caretaker mode, which for people listening,
means as soon as the government goes into caretaker mode,
(07:48):
no unusual expenditure of potments or decisions are made.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Mass of that caretaker mode really doesn't.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
It, Yes, And it's just extraordinary this report. So I
just find it amazing. I just think, you know, there
needs to be a serious, hard look at perhaps what
goes into the kap and perhaps what comes out. I
get it. I know I've got history and I've got
a conflict of interest there. Yeah, and I've put that
out there. But I just find that report extraordinary that
there was nothing found. So what else is going to
(08:17):
come out of that commission? Where it's a bit of
a bob each way? You know, have a picture of
buddher on one side of the wall and have my
Donna on the other side of the board. You sometimes
have to make a hard decision and say this is
not right.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, can you see the.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Recommendations are just like, oh, you know, electoral losses should
do this, and elector losses should put in time shifts.
I mean, really, he didn't. I wonder if he actually
spoke to any electoral officers.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Well, yeah, look, I'm not one hundred percent of I will.
I will certainly be continuing to talk about this now, No,
when that was tomorrow. I'm off to run a marathon.
But we'll see you next week.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Can't make sure you eat, drink those elf things that
hit your legs normal something along the way. Thank you, easier,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
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