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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There have been reports of crime I flaring up of
course in Catherine, particularly around the shopping complex, with concerns
also being raised about a lack of alcohol restrictions in
the town. Now joining us on the line is Local Residency.
Also is Roden Rifle business owner Trent with good morning to.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Your Trent, Good morning case.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Good to have you on the show mate. How have
things been in Catherine?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Look not really very good at the moment. To be
perfectly honest with you, there seems to be alcohol restrictions
in most of the Northern Territory except Catherine, and they
have basically access to come to Catherine through the community
bus service and then after that they're allowed to buy
as much alcohol as they like as long as they're
(00:47):
not on the BDR From two pm. Woollies is just
an absolute war zone some.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Days, really, so do you reckon? People are coming in
from other communities nearby and then getting on the grog
and and behaving poorly.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Most of the stuff that we see and what we
hear in the town are not locals committing these offenses,
not local kids who are up to trouble in the town.
It's out of town And a good example is recently.
I don't know if you probably saw on our local
crime watch page, was my mum. You know, after she
finishes work, hard work and old girl that she is,
(01:23):
she goes to Woollies to get her shopping and she
was walking with her trolley back to her car and
a young fellow tried to pinch her purse out of
her trolley. And you know, my mom has been here
for thirty eight years and for that to happen to her, Yeah,
she's just yeah, she's almost looking at her. She just
seems like a different person in the last few days.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, which is it's actually pretty heartbreaking Trent to hear that.
You know, I always think of these situations and think,
imagine if something happened to your mum. And unfortunately we
also know like in Catherine in recent weeks, we did
have a situation where woman was actually knocked to the
ground and ended up in hospital, I believe, with a
fractured hip after.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Coming after the bank. It's insane And Katie, where are
the parents and the responsible adults of these kids? So
the kid that did this was fourteen years old, How
the hell did he get on a bus from Mineri
to Catherine with no supervising adult and is allowed to
run around our town and do whatever the hell he wants.
(02:29):
Very good, who is controlling what these kids do in
and out of communities and things like that, And so
we as a community this is the turning point for
Catherine the last few days because as a community we
are not standing for this anymore. And this young fellow,
I can tell you, he ain't going to do that
again because he's out of this town. And we did
(02:53):
that as a town, without the assistance of government, without
the assistant to the police. That was dealt with as
a community. So what did you going to happen?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
What did just end up doing?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Well, it took me five minutes to go and get
some security footage, send it around to you know, the
usual contacts, and all of a sudden, we have a name,
we have a location, and this kid was located and
made to understand what he was doing was wrong. You know,
he was brought in to the shop, apologize to my
mum and told to get the hell out of our town.
(03:24):
Because mate, we don't accept that here. If I go
to your town, I have to respect your rules. So
guess what, you come to my town the same thing's
going to happen here. And that's what needs to go
on in every town around the NT is that you
come to hear you respect our rules, you respect our ways,
you get the hell out well.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
And Trent, the thing is, you're also like, you're someone
who I've spoken to on so many occasions who is
engaging with youth, trying to help different youth when they're
on the wrong track, and to then have something like
this happened to your mum and she's like, it's not
even an isolated incident.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
No, that the same kid did this three or four
times that day and the previous day. And this is
the thing. I just don't understand where the parental supervision
is or where the youth services are so supposedly dealing
with this. Like, I'm just absolutely baffled as to where
all these funds from youth services go when you can
(04:27):
tell me there's a kid in this town who's fourteen
years old, who doesn't live here, who's running a mark,
Like does it where is this failing?
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah? Well, and the thing is it's so obvious for
everybody else to see, and you go, well, how does
bureaucracy then slow it down to the point where nothing ever,
bloody changes when like you've just touched on you all
know who it is, You've then gone all right, we'll mate.
This is not acceptable. And you know you guys have
done it, I believe, and I think you would in
(04:56):
a fairly respectful sort of way. But I think that
we've reached a point where if, if the government, if authorities,
if you know, bureaucrats, whoever, if we don't sort of
see some positive change in this space. You don't want
people taking matters into their own hand and doing it
in a not respectful way.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
No, one hundred percent. And that's the thing. You know,
this kid was shown what the possible repercussions of his
actions would be. He was never harm never touched, but
he was made to understand that this. You know, we
know where you live, we can find you, you know. Yeah.
It's the thing is, if you come to our town,
(05:37):
it's a small town. Everyone knows everyone. So if you're
going to play art as a community, we're not going
to accept it because unfortunately, our police are stretched that thin.
And don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the police
and what they do in our town, but they are
pushed to the limits with alcohol fuelled other things, domestic
violence and all of that. And the thing is they
(05:59):
cannot come to a simple bag snatch because they're off
dealing with a domestic violence or dealing with something like that.
And this is the problem that we have, is our
resources are that sin. We need police back on the
bottle shops. They simply don't have the resources to put
them back on the bottle shops. And as much as
we all hated that, I hated that you get a
(06:21):
grilling every time you want to buy alcohol, But I
can tell you if I had known the palis were
being pulled off, I would have bought chairs in yellowtail
wine because I have never seen so many smash bottles
of yellowtail wine around my town in my life. It
is absolutely phenomenal, phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
What do you think needs to happen? I mean, do
we like, I know it's a big call, but does
it need to be some kind of restrictions in place?
Like what needs to happen?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
What a local saying, Well, locals just want to see. Yeah,
we want to see less alcohol accessed so easy. You know,
none of us want, none of us want to have
to go through the rigmarole of presenting our license and
doing all of that stuff just to buy alcohol. But
for the short term pain that it's going to cause us,
(07:09):
we may have to look at alcohol restrictions, you know.
And that's not Michael to make that for the town.
I mean, they can speak on behalf of themselves. But
I mean I would be happy to go through a
bit of pain now to reduce alcohol fueled crime, to
reduce the loitering in our town. And maybe these people
who don't live here will all of a sudden find
it a bit harder to get alcohol and they'll move
(07:31):
on to a different place, you know. I know that's
just shifting the problem, But I mean at the moment,
I don't want the problem in our town. And you
know the other thing is we talk about the shortage
of staff for the police. The Palis, I believe, and
correct me if I'm wrong, are not a constable. So
in the police force, anything above a constable is able
(07:53):
to have housing subsidies and things like that. So if
you're a Pali and you live in Darwin and you're
off at a job in Catherine, well you don't get
a housing subsidy. You've got to come and pay your
own way.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, So what's going to encourage you really to move
there if if you're not able to you know, to
get the same things that you'd get here in a
place like Darwin. Mate, it sounds like, you know, from
some of the reports that I've read in recent weeks
out of Catherine, like I feel for you guys. It
seems as though things are really blowing up. And from
(08:24):
what you have said to me just a few moments ago,
is like, even with your mum are going through the
situation where someone's trying to snatch your bag. You know,
she's lived there for an awful long period of time.
Do you think it's like has it hasn't been this
bad before?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I think we go through cycles and this is one
of those cycles. But it's a compounding factor that if
you go to Madaranka there's police on the bottle shops.
If you go to TANet Creek there's restrictions. If you
go to Alice Springs there's restrictions. If you go to Darwin,
it's a big city, it's a lot harder to navigate
and get around. Guess where's left where I can get
(09:03):
transported into from you know, anywhere in the NT pretty much.
And then also, when you're in town, there's free busses
to get you around, and I can buy alcohol when
I like as much as I like, as long as
I'm not on the BDR and it's after two pm.
Make where do you think it's gonna slare up? You?
Bloody obvious to me?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
It's very obvious, mate, Like what are people saying or
has anybody in a you know, like any authority said
anything to you about the point that you've made earlier
about like a fourteen year old being able to catch
a bus into town without parental supervision and being able
to stay in town without supervision. I can't, like, I
can't wrap my head around that.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
May I can? I Katie? And look, you know my
local members working as hard as she can, and I
know that, you know, and creditor is where credits do
she is? She is absolutely rattling cages, doing everything she can.
But I don't know where the failures lie. You know,
I'm just just running a business here. And then, from
what I can see from this side, if I was
(10:06):
seen personally on Facebook doing what was done, the first
person to line up wouldn't be my parents, It'd be
my footage coach. It'd be my teacher, it'd be someone
like that. And that's the thing it. You know, it
takes a village to raise a kid. And I know
when I was young, mate, if I stood out of
line brought it Kelly, my my footy coach, he'd be
(10:26):
the first one to smack me around the back of
the head and say, what are you doing? Mate? Yeah,
I just I don't know where the failings arcade and
I'm out a loss and where I can. But I
just don't know what that is. I don't know what
it looks like. And I'm hoping that. You know, we're
going to see an increase police presence because that's what
(10:47):
that's at the end of the day, that's what will
boots on the ground has an immediate effect. We know
that reducing the supply of alcohol will have immediate effects
as well.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Well. Look, we've got the Chief Minister on on I
plan to have a discussion with her about this because
you know, I feel for the people of Catherine. It
is a beautiful little town. You want to be able
to live there, you want to be able to enjoy
the lifestyle. But when you can't even go shopping without
being worried that someone's going to flog your purse or
knock you to the ground and you end up in hospital.
(11:18):
Then it is just not good enough. And that's just
a few of the incidents. There's been some horrible incidents
over recent weeks, and we.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Have you know, we're coming into our peap tourist season
right now, so we have one and one only shopping center.
Every tourist that comes into this town needs to go shopping.
For me. I don't mind if there's you know, heaps
of community people there. I know most of them. We
have a chat. Some of them are really intimidated by it.
(11:48):
And if they hear a small story about someone getting
knocked over or someone getting their bags solen, what do
you think they're going to do. They're going to get
feeling and high tailor the hell out of here. And
the Catherine Gorge is going to miss the Hot Springs
are going to miss it, Pop Rocket Cafe, all our
local places that are such a beautiful part of this
town are going to be missed. And that's a shame.
(12:10):
It It takes a long time to repair a reputation,
and it's a double edged sword. You know, even me
coming on here doing this because it portrays the town
in a way that we don't want to be portrayed.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
But you've got to get it sorted.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
We need some help.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, totally spot on, Trent. And I know you love
the town and I know that you are not somebody
who's out regularly talking the place down or anything like that.
I know that that is not your intention in any way.
It has to get sorted, and you know, and I
think that everybody listening this morning will agree with you.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Thanks Katie, Yeah, good on your mate.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I really appreciate your time this morning. Please pass on
my love to your mum. I hope she's okay. I
know that things like that can really like they are,
it really rattles you. So I really hope you sorry to.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Get some closure for my mum. You know able to
locate the kid and bring him in here, which not
everyone gets to do. You know, I was able to
make him face my mum and you could see the
genuine remorse in this kid's face that he was Yeah,
he knew what he did was wrong.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
And yeah, good, I'm pleased to hear that, Trent. Thank you.
I'll talk to you again soon. Thanks mate, mate, Thank
you
There have been reports of crime I flaring up of
course in Catherine, particularly around the shopping complex, with concerns
also being raised about a lack of alcohol restrictions in
the town. Now joining us on the line is Local Residency.
Also is Roden Rifle business owner Trent with good morning to.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Your Trent, Good morning case.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Good to have you on the show mate. How have
things been in Catherine?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Look not really very good at the moment. To be
perfectly honest with you, there seems to be alcohol restrictions
in most of the Northern Territory except Catherine, and they
have basically access to come to Catherine through the community
bus service and then after that they're allowed to buy
as much alcohol as they like as long as they're
(00:47):
not on the BDR From two pm. Woollies is just
an absolute war zone some.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Days, really, so do you reckon? People are coming in
from other communities nearby and then getting on the grog
and and behaving poorly.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Most of the stuff that we see and what we
hear in the town are not locals committing these offenses,
not local kids who are up to trouble in the town.
It's out of town And a good example is recently.
I don't know if you probably saw on our local
crime watch page, was my mum. You know, after she
finishes work, hard work and old girl that she is,
(01:23):
she goes to Woollies to get her shopping and she
was walking with her trolley back to her car and
a young fellow tried to pinch her purse out of
her trolley. And you know, my mom has been here
for thirty eight years and for that to happen to her, Yeah,
she's just yeah, she's almost looking at her. She just
seems like a different person in the last few days.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, which is it's actually pretty heartbreaking Trent to hear that.
You know, I always think of these situations and think,
imagine if something happened to your mum. And unfortunately we
also know like in Catherine in recent weeks, we did
have a situation where woman was actually knocked to the
ground and ended up in hospital, I believe, with a
fractured hip after.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Coming after the bank. It's insane And Katie, where are
the parents and the responsible adults of these kids? So
the kid that did this was fourteen years old, How
the hell did he get on a bus from Mineri
to Catherine with no supervising adult and is allowed to
run around our town and do whatever the hell he wants.
(02:29):
Very good, who is controlling what these kids do in
and out of communities and things like that, And so
we as a community this is the turning point for
Catherine the last few days because as a community we
are not standing for this anymore. And this young fellow,
I can tell you, he ain't going to do that
again because he's out of this town. And we did
(02:53):
that as a town, without the assistance of government, without
the assistant to the police. That was dealt with as
a community. So what did you going to happen?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
What did just end up doing?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Well, it took me five minutes to go and get
some security footage, send it around to you know, the
usual contacts, and all of a sudden, we have a name,
we have a location, and this kid was located and
made to understand what he was doing was wrong. You know,
he was brought in to the shop, apologize to my
mum and told to get the hell out of our town.
(03:24):
Because mate, we don't accept that here. If I go
to your town, I have to respect your rules. So
guess what, you come to my town the same thing's
going to happen here. And that's what needs to go
on in every town around the NT is that you
come to hear you respect our rules, you respect our ways,
you get the hell out well.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
And Trent, the thing is, you're also like, you're someone
who I've spoken to on so many occasions who is
engaging with youth, trying to help different youth when they're
on the wrong track, and to then have something like
this happened to your mum and she's like, it's not
even an isolated incident.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
No, that the same kid did this three or four
times that day and the previous day. And this is
the thing. I just don't understand where the parental supervision
is or where the youth services are so supposedly dealing
with this. Like, I'm just absolutely baffled as to where
all these funds from youth services go when you can
(04:27):
tell me there's a kid in this town who's fourteen
years old, who doesn't live here, who's running a mark,
Like does it where is this failing?
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah? Well, and the thing is it's so obvious for
everybody else to see, and you go, well, how does
bureaucracy then slow it down to the point where nothing ever,
bloody changes when like you've just touched on you all
know who it is, You've then gone all right, we'll mate.
This is not acceptable. And you know you guys have
done it, I believe, and I think you would in
(04:56):
a fairly respectful sort of way. But I think that
we've reached a point where if, if the government, if authorities,
if you know, bureaucrats, whoever, if we don't sort of
see some positive change in this space. You don't want
people taking matters into their own hand and doing it
in a not respectful way.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
No, one hundred percent. And that's the thing. You know,
this kid was shown what the possible repercussions of his
actions would be. He was never harm never touched, but
he was made to understand that this. You know, we
know where you live, we can find you, you know. Yeah.
It's the thing is, if you come to our town,
(05:37):
it's a small town. Everyone knows everyone. So if you're
going to play art as a community, we're not going
to accept it because unfortunately, our police are stretched that thin.
And don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the police
and what they do in our town, but they are
pushed to the limits with alcohol fuelled other things, domestic
violence and all of that. And the thing is they
(05:59):
cannot come to a simple bag snatch because they're off
dealing with a domestic violence or dealing with something like that.
And this is the problem that we have, is our
resources are that sin. We need police back on the
bottle shops. They simply don't have the resources to put
them back on the bottle shops. And as much as
we all hated that, I hated that you get a
(06:21):
grilling every time you want to buy alcohol, But I
can tell you if I had known the palis were
being pulled off, I would have bought chairs in yellowtail
wine because I have never seen so many smash bottles
of yellowtail wine around my town in my life. It
is absolutely phenomenal, phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
What do you think needs to happen? I mean, do
we like, I know it's a big call, but does
it need to be some kind of restrictions in place?
Like what needs to happen?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
What a local saying, Well, locals just want to see. Yeah,
we want to see less alcohol accessed so easy. You know,
none of us want, none of us want to have
to go through the rigmarole of presenting our license and
doing all of that stuff just to buy alcohol. But
for the short term pain that it's going to cause us,
(07:09):
we may have to look at alcohol restrictions, you know.
And that's not Michael to make that for the town.
I mean, they can speak on behalf of themselves. But
I mean I would be happy to go through a
bit of pain now to reduce alcohol fueled crime, to
reduce the loitering in our town. And maybe these people
who don't live here will all of a sudden find
it a bit harder to get alcohol and they'll move
(07:31):
on to a different place, you know. I know that's
just shifting the problem, But I mean at the moment,
I don't want the problem in our town. And you
know the other thing is we talk about the shortage
of staff for the police. The Palis, I believe, and
correct me if I'm wrong, are not a constable. So
in the police force, anything above a constable is able
(07:53):
to have housing subsidies and things like that. So if
you're a Pali and you live in Darwin and you're
off at a job in Catherine, well you don't get
a housing subsidy. You've got to come and pay your
own way.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, So what's going to encourage you really to move
there if if you're not able to you know, to
get the same things that you'd get here in a
place like Darwin. Mate, it sounds like, you know, from
some of the reports that I've read in recent weeks
out of Catherine, like I feel for you guys. It
seems as though things are really blowing up. And from
(08:24):
what you have said to me just a few moments ago,
is like, even with your mum are going through the
situation where someone's trying to snatch your bag. You know,
she's lived there for an awful long period of time.
Do you think it's like has it hasn't been this
bad before?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I think we go through cycles and this is one
of those cycles. But it's a compounding factor that if
you go to Madaranka there's police on the bottle shops.
If you go to TANet Creek there's restrictions. If you
go to Alice Springs there's restrictions. If you go to Darwin,
it's a big city, it's a lot harder to navigate
and get around. Guess where's left where I can get
(09:03):
transported into from you know, anywhere in the NT pretty much.
And then also, when you're in town, there's free busses
to get you around, and I can buy alcohol when
I like as much as I like, as long as
I'm not on the BDR and it's after two pm.
Make where do you think it's gonna slare up? You?
Bloody obvious to me?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
It's very obvious, mate, Like what are people saying or
has anybody in a you know, like any authority said
anything to you about the point that you've made earlier
about like a fourteen year old being able to catch
a bus into town without parental supervision and being able
to stay in town without supervision. I can't, like, I
can't wrap my head around that.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
May I can? I Katie? And look, you know my
local members working as hard as she can, and I
know that, you know, and creditor is where credits do
she is? She is absolutely rattling cages, doing everything she can.
But I don't know where the failures lie. You know,
I'm just just running a business here. And then, from
what I can see from this side, if I was
(10:06):
seen personally on Facebook doing what was done, the first
person to line up wouldn't be my parents, It'd be
my footage coach. It'd be my teacher, it'd be someone
like that. And that's the thing it. You know, it
takes a village to raise a kid. And I know
when I was young, mate, if I stood out of
line brought it Kelly, my my footy coach, he'd be
(10:26):
the first one to smack me around the back of
the head and say, what are you doing? Mate? Yeah,
I just I don't know where the failings arcade and
I'm out a loss and where I can. But I
just don't know what that is. I don't know what
it looks like. And I'm hoping that. You know, we're
going to see an increase police presence because that's what
(10:47):
that's at the end of the day, that's what will
boots on the ground has an immediate effect. We know
that reducing the supply of alcohol will have immediate effects
as well.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Well. Look, we've got the Chief Minister on on I
plan to have a discussion with her about this because
you know, I feel for the people of Catherine. It
is a beautiful little town. You want to be able
to live there, you want to be able to enjoy
the lifestyle. But when you can't even go shopping without
being worried that someone's going to flog your purse or
knock you to the ground and you end up in hospital.
(11:18):
Then it is just not good enough. And that's just
a few of the incidents. There's been some horrible incidents
over recent weeks, and we.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Have you know, we're coming into our peap tourist season
right now, so we have one and one only shopping center.
Every tourist that comes into this town needs to go shopping.
For me. I don't mind if there's you know, heaps
of community people there. I know most of them. We
have a chat. Some of them are really intimidated by it.
(11:48):
And if they hear a small story about someone getting
knocked over or someone getting their bags solen, what do
you think they're going to do. They're going to get
feeling and high tailor the hell out of here. And
the Catherine Gorge is going to miss the Hot Springs
are going to miss it, Pop Rocket Cafe, all our
local places that are such a beautiful part of this
town are going to be missed. And that's a shame.
(12:10):
It It takes a long time to repair a reputation,
and it's a double edged sword. You know, even me
coming on here doing this because it portrays the town
in a way that we don't want to be portrayed.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
But you've got to get it sorted.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
We need some help.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, totally spot on, Trent. And I know you love
the town and I know that you are not somebody
who's out regularly talking the place down or anything like that.
I know that that is not your intention in any way.
It has to get sorted, and you know, and I
think that everybody listening this morning will agree with you.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Thanks Katie, Yeah, good on your mate.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I really appreciate your time this morning. Please pass on
my love to your mum. I hope she's okay. I
know that things like that can really like they are,
it really rattles you. So I really hope you sorry to.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Get some closure for my mum. You know able to
locate the kid and bring him in here, which not
everyone gets to do. You know, I was able to
make him face my mum and you could see the
genuine remorse in this kid's face that he was Yeah,
he knew what he did was wrong.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
And yeah, good, I'm pleased to hear that, Trent. Thank you.
I'll talk to you again soon. Thanks mate, mate, Thank
you
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In 1997, actress Kristin Davis’ life was forever changed when she took on the role of Charlotte York in Sex and the City. As we watched Carrie, Samantha, Miranda and Charlotte navigate relationships in NYC, the show helped push once unacceptable conversation topics out of the shadows and altered the narrative around women and sex. We all saw ourselves in them as they searched for fulfillment in life, sex and friendships. Now, Kristin Davis wants to connect with you, the fans, and share untold stories and all the behind the scenes. Together, with Kristin and special guests, what will begin with Sex and the City will evolve into talks about themes that are still so relevant today. "Are you a Charlotte?" is much more than just rewatching this beloved show, it brings the past and the present together as we talk with heart, humor and of course some optimism.
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