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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, this week we have spent quite a bit of
time reflecting on the colp's time in office as they
reach their one year milestone, and we know the Chief
Minister talk to us about what she feels have been
highlights now. She says legislative changes and investment into police
corrections and courts having an impact when it comes to crime,
with the Northern Territory recording six hundred and five fewer
(00:21):
victims of crime in the first half of twenty twenty five,
that is a four point seven percent decrease compared to
when Labor was in power. But Selena Yubo called will.
She joined us on the show a bit earlier in
the week to say that it is becoming increasingly clear
that Leofanocchiairo isn't capable of meeting the promises that she
(00:42):
made with the numbers when it comes to adult and
child sexual assault as well as serious assault and assaults
on frontline workers and domestic violence increasing. Now one location
where the issue of crime has hit harder, I think
it'd have to say than just about anywhere else, is
Alice Springs wanting us on the line is the Independent
(01:02):
Member Farara lun Robin Lamley, Good morning to you, Robin.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Good morning Katie, Robin, good to have you on the show.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Now one year in the COLP government's been in power
a bit over now, how would you rate their performance
so far?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Look, I think they're delivering pretty much what they said
they'd deliver in the first twelve months. I don't have
a problem with what they look like they're doing and
what they actually are doing. In Parliament. I have the
front seat there and I've witnessed all the legislative changes
they've brought in to try and combat crime. But I
(01:41):
guess for me, in Alice Springs, we spent years, literally
years and years under labor watching those crime stats increase,
get worse, law and order deteriorate, And for me, it
was very encouraging when we got the last crime stats
out a few weeks ago to see that there was
a slight improvement. So for me, that was unbelievably good
(02:07):
to see after probably at least six to seven years
of a deterioration. It's good to see those stats turn around,
if not very very slow. Yeah, that it was good news.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Well, and it's one of those things, right like whenever
we talk about crime statistics and I remember talking about
it years and years ago to the then Police Minister
Nicole Madison, and you know, talking about some improvements, and
just as soon as you're talking about some of those improvements,
you know, you hear from another victim of crime. So
it's a difficult one. But by and large, I mean
(02:42):
here in Darwin, we know there is definitely still issues
that we're dealing with, but we're not seeing as much
of you know, that public drunkenness. We're sort of seeing
the police working a little bit more proactively, I guess,
in terms of trying to deal with some of those
different issues that maybe started as people having a few
beers under a tree somewhere where they weren't meant to be,
(03:03):
but then escalated really quite quickly as the day progressed
and turned into you know, people then engaging in criminal behavior.
I don't know what the senses on the streets in
Alice Springs though.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Look, Katie, I don't know what people are thinking in
Alice Springs. But from my perspective, there doesn't appear to
be a big change. We've still got a major problem
with crime. I'd go as far to say we are
still experiencing a crime crisis. I think generally speaking, nothing
(03:39):
particularly has changed in terms of how people are perceiving crime.
Can I just go back to something you said before
you mentioned Nicole Manison. I can guarantee you things got
progressively worse under her leadership of the police and as
deputy Chief Minister, because Katie, I remember in every sea
(04:00):
sittings of Parliament I would ask her or her Chief Minister,
Michael Gunner, what they're going to do about the deteriorating
state of law and order in Alice Springs, and they
would belittle me, they would accuse me of talking the
town down, and they did absolutely nothing. So to see
this government come in and in twelve months bring in
(04:21):
the changes and tell us that they're going to bring
in more changes and keep working on it is a big,
big difference from.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Like you're being Gastly's probably robint and I know that's
how I felt as well, where at least you feel
as though you know, all right, everything might not be fixed.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Was going on down here. We've always had a major
crime problem. Crime's always been our biggest ticket item, unfortunately,
and to see it get so much worse, so so
so much worse under the former Northern Territory labor government
was so distressing and it continued to so, you know,
(05:01):
to see and now we've got a new government in
they're having a crack. I just want to sit back
and see how all these things play out and to
see if it does make a difference. But ten points
for them for acknowledging the problem and just getting to
work and trying to make a difference.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah, I feel the same. And look, that's largely the
sentiment that we get on the text line in here
as well and on the phone line, people going all right, well, fore,
you know, it might not be one hundred percent perfect,
but at least they're given it a go, and at
least they're at least they're trying, you know, And so
we will wait and see. I guess how big an
impact it ends up happening. Having Robin, what further work
(05:40):
do you think needs to happen in Alice Springs? I mean,
from your perspective a year in of the current government,
the Finocciaro led government, what else do you think needs
to be happening for the people of Central Australia.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Well, you talked about public drunkenness just before. That's that
topic is of great interest to me because years ago
old out alcohol mandatory treatment as a COLP minister and
that absolutely smashed or wiped out public drunkenness. So the
fact that the COLP are intending to bring in something
(06:15):
similar during the next few years, I would imagine I'm
looking forward to that. I'm looking forward to walking down
the streets of Alice Springs and not seeing what we've
been seeing for the last six, seven, eight years, people
falling over drunk and causing all sorts of problems and then,
as you said, escalating into bigger problems. We've got a
(06:36):
lot of work to do on that. We've got a
lot of work to do with the generations coming through
that are of mainly Aboriginal kids from communities that are
lost and disengaged and falling into crime. Those cycles are
incredibly difficult to break, and I'm not sure. I'm not
(06:57):
sure that the COLP government are doing anything different from
labor But yes, it's about education. At least they've got
that strong truancy program getting kids back to school. People
are saying it's not working, but at least they've taken
a different approach. Hopefully, over time we'll see some results
from that. So look, these problems are never going to
(07:18):
go away, particularly in Central Australia, because that's what we've
lived with for decades now, and I think that to
some extent there'll always be these sort of problems in
our communities. But I think we could make it a
lot better and go a long way to improving the
lives of everyone, not just the general public, but you
(07:40):
know kids that are lost and come from trouble background.
So we can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
And well, we expect that, absolutely, we expect our governments
to walk in che gum at the same time. Hey, Robin,
before I let you go, can I talk about the
council elections quickly? An interesting right in your hometown, Asta
Hill leading the votes ahead of Ellie Melk. Are you
expecting those preferences to have a big impact?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Oh, definitely. The third person in the race is Lisa
Marie Berglen, the wife of Minister Josh Burgoyne. She's she'll
come third. I don't think she'll get enough votes from
this point to be in the top two, so all
her preferences will be allocated, and I think most of
(08:29):
them if they follow the how to vote card of
Lisa Marie berglines they should go to Ellie Melkie. So
I'm predicting Ellie will win. But my goodness me as
to Hill, she has done so well. She's a very
impressive young woman. She's also articulate. She happens to be
a beautiful looking young woman, and you know, like she's
(08:51):
the full package. So I'm sure we will hear a
lot about after Hill going into the future. She's agreed
a lot, but she seems to be a bit more
measured and not as radical as a love it.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I was going to say, I was sort of I
was a little bit surprised, you know, because I'm not
sure whether she ran as a Green candidate or Green
aligned like you'd said. But you know, most people, or
a lot of people see Allie Springs as being a
fairly conservative sort of town, so it was interesting then
to see somebody who's Green aligned doing so well.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, And the other aspect to that is the I'm
guessing that Labor pretty much supported her, to the fact
that she's done so well, she's smashed the primary votes
in there, and also as counselors they she'll definitely become
a counselor. But yeah, I think she was the sort
of left choice for mayor and counselor in this election.
(09:50):
And yeah, she's done well.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
And you know what, we want bright young people putting
their hand up to run at every level of government.
We want people of all ages and all stripes. But
you want them, you know, to be serious about it
as well.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
And Katie is also a superstar. Yeah, he's a man.
He's a Lebanese man. He came here in nineteen seventy four.
He speaks English as a second language. He's been around
politics for many years. He's got up the noses of
most of us. But he will be a great mayor too,
So there's a lot to look forward to.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Love that got up the noses of both of them,
but most of us. Robin, I love that, but that
doesn't true.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I know that feeling.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Too, Robin. Good to catch up with you as always.
Thank you, thanks so much for your time. You two
Well, this week we have spent quite a bit of
time reflecting on the colp's time in office as they
reach their one year milestone, and we know the Chief
Minister talk to us about what she feels have been
highlights now. She says legislative changes and investment into police
corrections and courts having an impact when it comes to crime,
with the Northern Territory recording six hundred and five fewer
(00:21):
victims of crime in the first half of twenty twenty five,
that is a four point seven percent decrease compared to
when Labor was in power. But Selena Yubo called will.
She joined us on the show a bit earlier in
the week to say that it is becoming increasingly clear
that Leofanocchiairo isn't capable of meeting the promises that she
(00:42):
made with the numbers when it comes to adult and
child sexual assault as well as serious assault and assaults
on frontline workers and domestic violence increasing. Now one location
where the issue of crime has hit harder, I think
it'd have to say than just about anywhere else, is
Alice Springs wanting us on the line is the Independent
(01:02):
Member Farara lun Robin Lamley, Good morning to you, Robin.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Good morning Katie, Robin, good to have you on the show.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Now one year in the COLP government's been in power
a bit over now, how would you rate their performance
so far?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Look, I think they're delivering pretty much what they said
they'd deliver in the first twelve months. I don't have
a problem with what they look like they're doing and
what they actually are doing. In Parliament. I have the
front seat there and I've witnessed all the legislative changes
they've brought in to try and combat crime. But I
(01:41):
guess for me, in Alice Springs, we spent years, literally
years and years under labor watching those crime stats increase,
get worse, law and order deteriorate, And for me, it
was very encouraging when we got the last crime stats
out a few weeks ago to see that there was
a slight improvement. So for me, that was unbelievably good
(02:07):
to see after probably at least six to seven years
of a deterioration. It's good to see those stats turn around,
if not very very slow. Yeah, that it was good news.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Well, and it's one of those things, right like whenever
we talk about crime statistics and I remember talking about
it years and years ago to the then Police Minister
Nicole Madison, and you know, talking about some improvements, and
just as soon as you're talking about some of those improvements,
you know, you hear from another victim of crime. So
it's a difficult one. But by and large, I mean
(02:42):
here in Darwin, we know there is definitely still issues
that we're dealing with, but we're not seeing as much
of you know, that public drunkenness. We're sort of seeing
the police working a little bit more proactively, I guess,
in terms of trying to deal with some of those
different issues that maybe started as people having a few
beers under a tree somewhere where they weren't meant to be,
(03:03):
but then escalated really quite quickly as the day progressed
and turned into you know, people then engaging in criminal behavior.
I don't know what the senses on the streets in
Alice Springs though.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Look, Katie, I don't know what people are thinking in
Alice Springs. But from my perspective, there doesn't appear to
be a big change. We've still got a major problem
with crime. I'd go as far to say we are
still experiencing a crime crisis. I think generally speaking, nothing
(03:39):
particularly has changed in terms of how people are perceiving crime.
Can I just go back to something you said before
you mentioned Nicole Manison. I can guarantee you things got
progressively worse under her leadership of the police and as
deputy Chief Minister, because Katie, I remember in every sea
(04:00):
sittings of Parliament I would ask her or her Chief Minister,
Michael Gunner, what they're going to do about the deteriorating
state of law and order in Alice Springs, and they
would belittle me, they would accuse me of talking the
town down, and they did absolutely nothing. So to see
this government come in and in twelve months bring in
(04:21):
the changes and tell us that they're going to bring
in more changes and keep working on it is a big,
big difference from.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Like you're being Gastly's probably robint and I know that's
how I felt as well, where at least you feel
as though you know, all right, everything might not be fixed.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Was going on down here. We've always had a major
crime problem. Crime's always been our biggest ticket item, unfortunately,
and to see it get so much worse, so so
so much worse under the former Northern Territory labor government
was so distressing and it continued to so, you know,
(05:01):
to see and now we've got a new government in
they're having a crack. I just want to sit back
and see how all these things play out and to
see if it does make a difference. But ten points
for them for acknowledging the problem and just getting to
work and trying to make a difference.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah, I feel the same. And look, that's largely the
sentiment that we get on the text line in here
as well and on the phone line, people going all right, well, fore,
you know, it might not be one hundred percent perfect,
but at least they're given it a go, and at
least they're at least they're trying, you know, And so
we will wait and see. I guess how big an
impact it ends up happening. Having Robin, what further work
(05:40):
do you think needs to happen in Alice Springs? I mean,
from your perspective a year in of the current government,
the Finocciaro led government, what else do you think needs
to be happening for the people of Central Australia.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Well, you talked about public drunkenness just before. That's that
topic is of great interest to me because years ago
old out alcohol mandatory treatment as a COLP minister and
that absolutely smashed or wiped out public drunkenness. So the
fact that the COLP are intending to bring in something
(06:15):
similar during the next few years, I would imagine I'm
looking forward to that. I'm looking forward to walking down
the streets of Alice Springs and not seeing what we've
been seeing for the last six, seven, eight years, people
falling over drunk and causing all sorts of problems and then,
as you said, escalating into bigger problems. We've got a
(06:36):
lot of work to do on that. We've got a
lot of work to do with the generations coming through
that are of mainly Aboriginal kids from communities that are
lost and disengaged and falling into crime. Those cycles are
incredibly difficult to break, and I'm not sure. I'm not
(06:57):
sure that the COLP government are doing anything different from
labor But yes, it's about education. At least they've got
that strong truancy program getting kids back to school. People
are saying it's not working, but at least they've taken
a different approach. Hopefully, over time we'll see some results
from that. So look, these problems are never going to
(07:18):
go away, particularly in Central Australia, because that's what we've
lived with for decades now, and I think that to
some extent there'll always be these sort of problems in
our communities. But I think we could make it a
lot better and go a long way to improving the
lives of everyone, not just the general public, but you
(07:40):
know kids that are lost and come from trouble background.
So we can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
And well, we expect that, absolutely, we expect our governments
to walk in che gum at the same time. Hey, Robin,
before I let you go, can I talk about the
council elections quickly? An interesting right in your hometown, Asta
Hill leading the votes ahead of Ellie Melk. Are you
expecting those preferences to have a big impact?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Oh, definitely. The third person in the race is Lisa
Marie Berglen, the wife of Minister Josh Burgoyne. She's she'll
come third. I don't think she'll get enough votes from
this point to be in the top two, so all
her preferences will be allocated, and I think most of
(08:29):
them if they follow the how to vote card of
Lisa Marie berglines they should go to Ellie Melkie. So
I'm predicting Ellie will win. But my goodness me as
to Hill, she has done so well. She's a very
impressive young woman. She's also articulate. She happens to be
a beautiful looking young woman, and you know, like she's
(08:51):
the full package. So I'm sure we will hear a
lot about after Hill going into the future. She's agreed
a lot, but she seems to be a bit more
measured and not as radical as a love it.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I was going to say, I was sort of I
was a little bit surprised, you know, because I'm not
sure whether she ran as a Green candidate or Green
aligned like you'd said. But you know, most people, or
a lot of people see Allie Springs as being a
fairly conservative sort of town, so it was interesting then
to see somebody who's Green aligned doing so well.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, And the other aspect to that is the I'm
guessing that Labor pretty much supported her, to the fact
that she's done so well, she's smashed the primary votes
in there, and also as counselors they she'll definitely become
a counselor. But yeah, I think she was the sort
of left choice for mayor and counselor in this election.
(09:50):
And yeah, she's done well.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
And you know what, we want bright young people putting
their hand up to run at every level of government.
We want people of all ages and all stripes. But
you want them, you know, to be serious about it
as well.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
And Katie is also a superstar. Yeah, he's a man.
He's a Lebanese man. He came here in nineteen seventy four.
He speaks English as a second language. He's been around
politics for many years. He's got up the noses of
most of us. But he will be a great mayor too,
So there's a lot to look forward to.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Love that got up the noses of both of them,
but most of us. Robin, I love that, but that
doesn't true.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I know that feeling.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Too, Robin. Good to catch up with you as always.
Thank you, thanks so much for your time. You two
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