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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now, if you live in Palmerston, you'll know that there's
(00:02):
been quite a bit of concern around the anti social
behavior happening near the Gray Shops. The local member approached
the Northern Territory Liquor Commission, requesting the body use its
extensive powers to launch an independent inquiry into alcohol related
issues taking place at the Gray Shopping Center. Now, we
have spoken to Clinton How the local member about this
(00:22):
before or Unfortunately, it's taking longer I think than the
people in the area would like, and they continue to
see alcohol fueled issues. Now, Clinton How the local Member
joins me in the studio right now.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Good morning, Clinton, Morning, katiend Palmerston.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Good to have you on the show. Now, Clinton, I
understand that you asked for a number of areas to
be examined by the Liquor Commission. Can you talk me
through those?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I think first of all, I'd like to say it's
really great where the commissioners said they're going to do it. Yea,
and so that's a huge win for us in the community.
It's been something that's been asked about for you years
and there's been really nothing's happened, and so it's great
we've finally got word that a inquiry will commence. So
what I've what I asked for is that they look
(01:11):
at alcohol supply, especially around the residential areas. I wanted
to know how alcohol is getting in, is anyone doing
the wrong thing, And yeah, just to look at the
picture and suitability and make sure everything's abod board. There's
lots of different reports that have come in and so
(01:32):
it's off to the Umpire now, yep, and let the
Umpire make that decision.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
So far, what have the Commission told you in terms
of is there a date when this is going to happen?
Like how far off is this? What are they telling
you and communicating with you?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
So what I know of so far is I believe
by October thirty first we will have a scope for
the inquiry. So obviously I would love to have a
bunch of record mendations sitting here in front of me today. However,
the fact is it looks like it's going to take time.
So by October thirty first, it looks like we'll have
(02:09):
a scope and that's when I guess we can know
what's the inquiry will cover. And I'm completely separate and
independent from that process. And then once that dates hand down,
we should have an idea of when the public can
give submissions. Community groups can give submissions, businesses can give submissions,
(02:31):
and then for the umpire and make their decision.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
What are locals saying to you at the moment, because
like I'm hearing that people are frustrated that it's taking
so long. I know that that's you know, that's not
in your control. That's obviously the Liquor Commission's control. But
what a local saying to you in your electorate at
the moment.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yeah, I think I think locals. I think, like all
of us, like myself being a local, we would love
a decision when we can as soon as we can
get it. However, I think there's a people are happy
it's progressing, like there's there's a degree of like finally
we're getting some traction on this and that's definitely how I.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Feel as well. So would we like it faster?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I think everyone involved would probably like it faster on
all sides of it.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
So from your perspective, I mean, is there still anti
social like there is still anti social issues going on
out there, aren't they? Like there's you know, people contact
me quite often and go Katie, there's like there's drunk
people around. Well, you're trying to get your kids to
school in the morning.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, so one there is. And as I've said before,
this alcohol this is no silver bullet to the problems
in Grade, the problems we have throughout my electorate and
whider Palmerston.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
That there's multifacets to it.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Housing is a major area of reform that needs to happen,
and it's something I'm pushing incredibly hard with our government
and getting a lot of support from within the team
as well. But I guess our government's very keen to
reform housing and what we see in some of areas
like Palmerston is just the long term planning over a
long period of time has caused these social pressures to exist.
(04:14):
And now we have super condensed housing, especially like in
my electorate we have over seventeen percent of the Greater
dulln area's housing and so we have then more antisocial issues,
which pushes house prices down, which then when governments want
to reinvest money into more housing, guess where it's cheaper,
(04:35):
and it just grows and grows, and then you have
residents who can't sell because the economic they become kind
of economically stuck. So these are the issues I really
want to fix, and I know this will. My vision
is very clear for Palmerston or what I want to achieve,
and this housing reform package will be a major part
(04:56):
of that.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
So when are we expecting this housing reform package to
be announced? Because I know you and I have spoken
about that before. It's something that the government's obviously flagged,
the Housing Minister has flagged. But I've got to tell
you it can't happen soon enough for a lot of
our listeners, particularly if they live next door to maybe
a home that is public housing, or that's even being
(05:17):
managed by one of the other housing providers, and those
residents aren't following the rules that many would expect that
you would be expected to if you've got a public
housing home.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
And so I think that one hundred percent, and we've
known that since the day we came in. So and
I know the Minister Steve Edgington has been working. There's
two aspects to it. So one was the change of
government and with changing how that department was structured, and
there's big cultural reform that I know Steve Edgington has
(05:50):
been pushing in Housing, to change how the department deals
with problem tenants and pushing those problem tenants through and
the anti CAT process getting evictions.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I don't have the figures, but I do know we're.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Getting a lot more evictions now than happened under the
last previous government. So we're starting to get traction there. Yes,
and then the next big piece is a reform package
to it, and there's so many aspects of it. What
we're going to have to do is so there'll be yes,
We've got to have tougher rules and regulations and they
(06:27):
need to be enforced and they need to be enforced hard.
We then need to deal with the pressure that will
put on anti CAT because you're going to see an increase.
People still need the fair judicial process to occur, and
so we'll need to reinforce anti CAT. And then, you know,
I would really love to see incentives for good housing
(06:50):
tenants because there is so many good housing tenants out there.
I was visiting some yesterday and I walked up, you know,
a lovely old couple, beautiful, nice kept house. They've been
in the property twenty two years, look after it, and
it's like, well, I want to look after them as well.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
So there are plenty of good people in public housing.
Nobody can dispute that a lot of people that follow
the rules to everything absolutely correctly, and some people will
find themselves in situations where they are in need of
a home, they're homeless for whatever reason that may be,
and the Northern Territory government absolutely needs to support those people.
(07:28):
But then Clinton, you've definitely got some and I know
that in your electorate this is an issue that people
are really quite concerned about, not just your electorate electorate,
but other areas of Palmerston as well, where you know
they've got problem tenants that are just like it just
seems as though they're allowed to get away with anything.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Absolutely, and that's that's the mindset we've got to change.
The fact is public housing is a privilege and it
is something that the rest of society we give our taxes,
you know, we create housing to look after vulnerable people
who any one of us could end up in. We
(08:07):
never know where life's going to go. And so but
the fact is it is it is a privilege. It
is something for the rest of society chips in form
and so let's have people that are going to care
and be good responsible neighbors. And if you're not going
to play that game, well you can get out.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Clinton. I don't know if Cornwaller Circuit falls under your electorate,
it does you? So Robert messaged in and she said, Hei,
Cornwaller Circuit complexes, they were recently refurbished and have already
been trashed.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah, yeah, they have, as with a large number of
my other housing housing unit complexes and so and this
is why it's so essential, even even if you just
look at this from a dollar point of view and
treasury So, how much money are we spending just fixing
(08:59):
places to get trapped and then NTG will come in,
get that asset all renovated up to you again for
it just to be trashed again, and all because we
aren't enforcing rules on problem tendancies.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Another one's just come through. I don't know whether it
falls under your electric but it says Katie. I already
called police this morning for an intoxicated female walking on
the road, jumping on the bonnet of a vehicle and
throwing an unopened can of soft drink, hitting another woman
on the head and shoulder. It was at the bus
stop at Dunbar Park, YEP.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
So that's yeah, and so that is not a surprise
at all. So Dumbar Park in Gray, it is a
really known hot spot. It is actually the centerpiece of
the trigger for this commission. So that's right across the
shop from one of the bottle shops that I request
be part of the inquiry. And it just goes to
(09:52):
show why we need to crack down on this antisocial behavior.
It reinforces to me the approach our government's taking when
you're dropping kids off that So that Dunbar Park is
very close to Gray Primary School and so I do
not want any kids in my electro walking to school
and seeing that kind of behavior as they get dropped
(10:13):
off for their transition to year six. Like that is
just not going to continue in Drysdale whilst I sit here.
And so that is why we're going to crack down
on it.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Clinton. Before I let you go this morning, to anybody
in your electro that's listening today, that says, you know, look,
it sounds like you're well intentioned, you're going down the
right path, but it's taking too long. What do you
say to them?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I say to them, I understand, I completely understand. And
it is you know, even for myself, Like, you come in,
you want to change everything, and I'll just keep driving
and keep pushing until I get that change.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Nothing.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
You know, nothing's going to stop me on this mission
to see the vision of Palmerston of what I know
it can be and what it will be. So I'll
keep pushing and yeah, keep pushing me, people of Palmerston.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Well, it's the thing though, right, like the Liquor Commission, Like,
it's a situation where you're being driven right now by
people in your electorate. They're saying to you they want
this issue sorted out. And I understand that it can
take some time to go through the Liquor Commission, et cetera.
But fundamentally, like you didn't get out of bed and go, hey,
I've decided this is an issue. You're being driven by
(11:28):
the people that live in your electorate and ultimately they
need to be heard, you know, they need to be
heard by the Liquor Commission. They need to be heard
by everybody, including yourself in those decision making roles, because,
like you've touched on, kids should not be going to
school and on their way to school seeing you know,
terrible behavior. It's it's deteriorated and it's deteriorated to a
(11:50):
point where sometimes we just kind of walk past and
it's not acceptable and it can't be just you know,
left as if it is acceptable, because it's truly not.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
No, absolutely, and I think, you know, it's why I
kind of got into this, and it's why I've been
entrusted by the people in Drysdale to.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Actually do this role.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And I won't just keep walking past it. We've got
to show it the problems for what they are and
our government will tackle them the way they are. And
it's been great, I will say too on people in
other positions as well. Marathena Pasco Bell has been a
great support to me through this.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
She also wrote in.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
To support the report and I think what that did was,
you know, it really said to the Commission, you've got
two levels of government here, two separate levels of government saying.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Hey, red flags are We've got.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
To do something. So yeah, I do thank the mayor
for the support there.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah. She had joined us on the show and told
us the same thing. Clinton, Howe really good to speak
with you this morning. Appreciate your time. I think it's
really important that we do catch up with our local
members and hear from our bees because you guys are
representing communities where people want to see that change, so
it is really important to have that catch up. Thank
you very much for joining us on the show this morning.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Thanks Katie, Thanks Palmerston and our catch this later.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Thank you
Now, if you live in Palmerston, you'll know that there's
(00:02):
been quite a bit of concern around the anti social
behavior happening near the Gray Shops. The local member approached
the Northern Territory Liquor Commission, requesting the body use its
extensive powers to launch an independent inquiry into alcohol related
issues taking place at the Gray Shopping Center. Now, we
have spoken to Clinton How the local member about this
(00:22):
before or Unfortunately, it's taking longer I think than the
people in the area would like, and they continue to
see alcohol fueled issues. Now, Clinton How the local Member
joins me in the studio right now.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Good morning, Clinton, Morning, katiend Palmerston.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Good to have you on the show. Now, Clinton, I
understand that you asked for a number of areas to
be examined by the Liquor Commission. Can you talk me
through those?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I think first of all, I'd like to say it's
really great where the commissioners said they're going to do it. Yea,
and so that's a huge win for us in the community.
It's been something that's been asked about for you years
and there's been really nothing's happened, and so it's great
we've finally got word that a inquiry will commence. So
what I've what I asked for is that they look
(01:11):
at alcohol supply, especially around the residential areas. I wanted
to know how alcohol is getting in, is anyone doing
the wrong thing, And yeah, just to look at the
picture and suitability and make sure everything's abod board. There's
lots of different reports that have come in and so
(01:32):
it's off to the Umpire now, yep, and let the
Umpire make that decision.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
So far, what have the Commission told you in terms
of is there a date when this is going to happen?
Like how far off is this? What are they telling
you and communicating with you?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
So what I know of so far is I believe
by October thirty first we will have a scope for
the inquiry. So obviously I would love to have a
bunch of record mendations sitting here in front of me today. However,
the fact is it looks like it's going to take time.
So by October thirty first, it looks like we'll have
(02:09):
a scope and that's when I guess we can know
what's the inquiry will cover. And I'm completely separate and
independent from that process. And then once that dates hand down,
we should have an idea of when the public can
give submissions. Community groups can give submissions, businesses can give submissions,
(02:31):
and then for the umpire and make their decision.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
What are locals saying to you at the moment, because
like I'm hearing that people are frustrated that it's taking
so long. I know that that's you know, that's not
in your control. That's obviously the Liquor Commission's control. But
what a local saying to you in your electorate at
the moment.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yeah, I think I think locals. I think, like all
of us, like myself being a local, we would love
a decision when we can as soon as we can
get it. However, I think there's a people are happy
it's progressing, like there's there's a degree of like finally
we're getting some traction on this and that's definitely how I.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Feel as well. So would we like it faster?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I think everyone involved would probably like it faster on
all sides of it.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
So from your perspective, I mean, is there still anti
social like there is still anti social issues going on
out there, aren't they? Like there's you know, people contact
me quite often and go Katie, there's like there's drunk
people around. Well, you're trying to get your kids to
school in the morning.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, so one there is. And as I've said before,
this alcohol this is no silver bullet to the problems
in Grade, the problems we have throughout my electorate and
whider Palmerston.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
That there's multifacets to it.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Housing is a major area of reform that needs to happen,
and it's something I'm pushing incredibly hard with our government
and getting a lot of support from within the team
as well. But I guess our government's very keen to
reform housing and what we see in some of areas
like Palmerston is just the long term planning over a
long period of time has caused these social pressures to exist.
(04:14):
And now we have super condensed housing, especially like in
my electorate we have over seventeen percent of the Greater
dulln area's housing and so we have then more antisocial issues,
which pushes house prices down, which then when governments want
to reinvest money into more housing, guess where it's cheaper,
(04:35):
and it just grows and grows, and then you have
residents who can't sell because the economic they become kind
of economically stuck. So these are the issues I really
want to fix, and I know this will. My vision
is very clear for Palmerston or what I want to achieve,
and this housing reform package will be a major part
(04:56):
of that.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
So when are we expecting this housing reform package to
be announced? Because I know you and I have spoken
about that before. It's something that the government's obviously flagged,
the Housing Minister has flagged. But I've got to tell
you it can't happen soon enough for a lot of
our listeners, particularly if they live next door to maybe
a home that is public housing, or that's even being
(05:17):
managed by one of the other housing providers, and those
residents aren't following the rules that many would expect that
you would be expected to if you've got a public
housing home.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
And so I think that one hundred percent, and we've
known that since the day we came in. So and
I know the Minister Steve Edgington has been working. There's
two aspects to it. So one was the change of
government and with changing how that department was structured, and
there's big cultural reform that I know Steve Edgington has
(05:50):
been pushing in Housing, to change how the department deals
with problem tenants and pushing those problem tenants through and
the anti CAT process getting evictions.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I don't have the figures, but I do know we're.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Getting a lot more evictions now than happened under the
last previous government. So we're starting to get traction there. Yes,
and then the next big piece is a reform package
to it, and there's so many aspects of it. What
we're going to have to do is so there'll be yes,
We've got to have tougher rules and regulations and they
(06:27):
need to be enforced and they need to be enforced hard.
We then need to deal with the pressure that will
put on anti CAT because you're going to see an increase.
People still need the fair judicial process to occur, and
so we'll need to reinforce anti CAT. And then, you know,
I would really love to see incentives for good housing
(06:50):
tenants because there is so many good housing tenants out there.
I was visiting some yesterday and I walked up, you know,
a lovely old couple, beautiful, nice kept house. They've been
in the property twenty two years, look after it, and
it's like, well, I want to look after them as well.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
So there are plenty of good people in public housing.
Nobody can dispute that a lot of people that follow
the rules to everything absolutely correctly, and some people will
find themselves in situations where they are in need of
a home, they're homeless for whatever reason that may be,
and the Northern Territory government absolutely needs to support those people.
(07:28):
But then Clinton, you've definitely got some and I know
that in your electorate this is an issue that people
are really quite concerned about, not just your electorate electorate,
but other areas of Palmerston as well, where you know
they've got problem tenants that are just like it just
seems as though they're allowed to get away with anything.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Absolutely, and that's that's the mindset we've got to change.
The fact is public housing is a privilege and it
is something that the rest of society we give our taxes,
you know, we create housing to look after vulnerable people
who any one of us could end up in. We
(08:07):
never know where life's going to go. And so but
the fact is it is it is a privilege. It
is something for the rest of society chips in form
and so let's have people that are going to care
and be good responsible neighbors. And if you're not going
to play that game, well you can get out.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Clinton. I don't know if Cornwaller Circuit falls under your electorate,
it does you? So Robert messaged in and she said, Hei,
Cornwaller Circuit complexes, they were recently refurbished and have already
been trashed.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah, yeah, they have, as with a large number of
my other housing housing unit complexes and so and this
is why it's so essential, even even if you just
look at this from a dollar point of view and
treasury So, how much money are we spending just fixing
(08:59):
places to get trapped and then NTG will come in,
get that asset all renovated up to you again for
it just to be trashed again, and all because we
aren't enforcing rules on problem tendancies.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Another one's just come through. I don't know whether it
falls under your electric but it says Katie. I already
called police this morning for an intoxicated female walking on
the road, jumping on the bonnet of a vehicle and
throwing an unopened can of soft drink, hitting another woman
on the head and shoulder. It was at the bus
stop at Dunbar Park, YEP.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
So that's yeah, and so that is not a surprise
at all. So Dumbar Park in Gray, it is a
really known hot spot. It is actually the centerpiece of
the trigger for this commission. So that's right across the
shop from one of the bottle shops that I request
be part of the inquiry. And it just goes to
(09:52):
show why we need to crack down on this antisocial behavior.
It reinforces to me the approach our government's taking when
you're dropping kids off that So that Dunbar Park is
very close to Gray Primary School and so I do
not want any kids in my electro walking to school
and seeing that kind of behavior as they get dropped
(10:13):
off for their transition to year six. Like that is
just not going to continue in Drysdale whilst I sit here.
And so that is why we're going to crack down
on it.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Clinton. Before I let you go this morning, to anybody
in your electro that's listening today, that says, you know, look,
it sounds like you're well intentioned, you're going down the
right path, but it's taking too long. What do you
say to them?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I say to them, I understand, I completely understand. And
it is you know, even for myself, Like, you come in,
you want to change everything, and I'll just keep driving
and keep pushing until I get that change.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Nothing.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
You know, nothing's going to stop me on this mission
to see the vision of Palmerston of what I know
it can be and what it will be. So I'll
keep pushing and yeah, keep pushing me, people of Palmerston.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Well, it's the thing though, right, like the Liquor Commission, Like,
it's a situation where you're being driven right now by
people in your electorate. They're saying to you they want
this issue sorted out. And I understand that it can
take some time to go through the Liquor Commission, et cetera.
But fundamentally, like you didn't get out of bed and go, hey,
I've decided this is an issue. You're being driven by
(11:28):
the people that live in your electorate and ultimately they
need to be heard, you know, they need to be
heard by the Liquor Commission. They need to be heard
by everybody, including yourself in those decision making roles, because,
like you've touched on, kids should not be going to
school and on their way to school seeing you know,
terrible behavior. It's it's deteriorated and it's deteriorated to a
(11:50):
point where sometimes we just kind of walk past and
it's not acceptable and it can't be just you know,
left as if it is acceptable, because it's truly not.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
No, absolutely, and I think, you know, it's why I
kind of got into this, and it's why I've been
entrusted by the people in Drysdale to.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Actually do this role.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And I won't just keep walking past it. We've got
to show it the problems for what they are and
our government will tackle them the way they are. And
it's been great, I will say too on people in
other positions as well. Marathena Pasco Bell has been a
great support to me through this.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
She also wrote in.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
To support the report and I think what that did was,
you know, it really said to the Commission, you've got
two levels of government here, two separate levels of government saying.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Hey, red flags are We've got.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
To do something. So yeah, I do thank the mayor
for the support there.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah. She had joined us on the show and told
us the same thing. Clinton, Howe really good to speak
with you this morning. Appreciate your time. I think it's
really important that we do catch up with our local
members and hear from our bees because you guys are
representing communities where people want to see that change, so
it is really important to have that catch up. Thank
you very much for joining us on the show this morning.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Thanks Katie, Thanks Palmerston and our catch this later.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Thank you
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