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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Joining me on the line right now is the Independent
Member for goid O, Kezia Puric. Good morning, Kezier.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Oh, good morning, Katie, good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
First off, what did you make of the Chief Minister's
well of her speech yesterday to the National Press Club.
It was the first that she's done to the National
Press Club. Some people saying, you know, good honor, she
got out there and she backed industry. Others not happy
that she's backing the gas industry. What did you make
of it all?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Well, Katie, of course those opposed to the industry are
going to say it was a bad speech, you know,
because the opponents to the Beetloo basin activities and on
shall patrolum activities are always going to be opposing it
and you won't get them to change their mind. And
that's fine, that's their position. But it doesn't mean people
with an opposing position are wrong. It just means it's different.
(00:51):
So what the Chief Minister was expressing was what her
government now thankfully believes, and that is that this development
should and can proceed in a safe manner with we're
stall being sort of mitigated or managed. Name calling, well,
you know, that's that's a bit petty but you know,
calling out people from down south, I think is very
relevant for us up here, because so often we get
(01:13):
these do goods from those Eastern Seaboard or Southern states,
you know, espousing their views of how we should live
our lives in regards to various activities, whatever it may be,
whether it be you know, the petroleome isstry. I remember, Katie,
not so long ago when Jabeluca was a thing on
the board and all these do goody, greedy, lefty UNI
students were busted up here to be protesters. Now that
(01:34):
was a fact.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
They said, come come north for holiday. It's beautiful weather,
it's winter down there, so they all packed on the
bus and came up here. You know, they have no
real interest in what goes on in the Northern Territory.
And you know, I support the Chief Ministry and calling
out people who really don't have a genuine interest in
the territory and just want to sort of, you know,
expouse their views and force an opinion upon, you know,
those around them about how they think we should run
(01:56):
our business up here.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
What's been interesting keys here is that they're there's been
some support obviously, like if you go across all the
different media platforms. There has been some support for her comments.
There's obviously been you know, environmentalists and landowners who haven't
been happy with what she said, particularly around thort the
fracking side of things, But that aside, there's been a
lot of other territory and stepping up and going well,
(02:20):
hang on a second, we've got lots of issues in
our backyard that we've got to try and fix as well.
I e. Crime and look, I think you can walk
and two gum at the same time, and I think
she's got to do that. But this.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Cadgether thing too is the territory is more than just
the oil and gas industry. You know, we have industries
across the board that are successful, that are developing, that
are growing, that are producing great economic and social benefits.
You know, the parcel industry, you know, the agricultural the
whrdal industry. You know, we used to have a fairly
good cut flower industry, with not so much anymore. You know,
(02:54):
we've got a small bee industry. You know, we could
have a bigger bee industry because so much demand for
bees to pollinate certain crops like melons, you know, and
we've got you know, things happening with building the ships
and the defense build up, et cetera, et cetera. You know,
I'd like to see more of a banking and an
IT industry being developed in Darla. So it's more than
just bracking. And that's that's what I get too tired
(03:14):
of with these people down south and others, is they
just focus on that and not all the other parts
of our economy and our community.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Tezier, do you think we're going to reach that forty
billion dollar economy by twenty thirty?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
No, I don't lie some of them well, because we
just will show me where it's going to come from.
You know, That's the Thingkseie. It's good to have all
these projects that you know have been sort of earmarked
or been talked about. But the bigger the size of
the project, the greater the risk. We've already seen issues
in regards to the offscreen management of you know, the
s cable. We've seen issues in regards to you know,
(03:48):
prawn farms and all that sort of stuff, and we'll
have issues in the future. And these are corporate issues.
It's not necessarily to do with the territory per se.
The only thing the government can make that happen, is
is they sort out the bloody red tape, green tape,
black tape and even base tape that we have within government.
There is so much styming going on when it comes
to business and industry trying to get ahead in a
(04:08):
legitimate way, and that might be the only way. And
what makes me sort of smile a little bit in
a right way is that the government's finally realize that
they're getting to the edge of the royalty pip, that
there aren't any large major minds coming up behind to
replace the ones we're losing. Well, hello, Minister Madison and
everyone else. I've been saying that for about the last
(04:29):
ten years. You need major world class mining projects now
or being planned now. Call Lithiam It's great, good project,
good mind, good company, put along for ten fifteen years,
hopefully a lot more. We need a mining project that
gives us twenty plus years, and that's what the Beaterlo
kind of project's going to do for the Northern Church.
But we still also want hard rock mining, you know
(04:49):
the books, like manganese, gold, etc. This government is just
a little bit late to the party sometimes, So if
they want to get to that forty billion dollar target.
They're going to have to somehow expedite expiration in the
turtrick to get some new minds opening up. Well, KESI
place the ones we're going to lose. Yeah, for example
at about five to ten years nothing. You know that.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
You're cutting out there a little bit keasier, you're cutting
out for some reason.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
That better.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
That's better, Kezia. The other thing that I am keen
to ask you about this morning, and it's something we've
been speaking about over recent days and we spoke to
you about it last Thursday. Now the petition Justice for
declan lavity. We now know obviously the Public Accounts Committee
have said yes they do think it needs to go
back to the Parliament for debate. But people were absolutely
(05:39):
angered to learn on Monday that it's only for sixteen minutes.
You had said that regardless. Okay, so that's that's the rules,
you'd said on Monday.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Government hasn't done that.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
No, Well you'd said on Monday though that in other
states it's longer. Yeah, so talk me through that.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Well, that's just what they're standing orders. The debating of
the petition was introduced I think in the last term
when I was speaking. It was just part of the
review of the Standing Orders. How can we do things better,
how can do things differently, you know, to help people
who do put petitions into the Parliament. I mean previously,
the petition would go in, the member would read it,
sit down, the government would then respond to it. That's
it pretty much. So the Standing Orders Committee decided that
(06:20):
time to revise how petitions are handled and that's when
the new rules came in to refer it off to
a committee to review it to see if it should
be debated a little bit. And I can't recall why
the sixteen minutes was arrived upon, but other states have
different times. As I said to you, in New South Wales,
I'm pretty sure has bettered out to debate a petition.
How it gets to that debate, I'm not sure. So
(06:43):
that could be something that the Standing Order's Committee reviews. Again, Keimty,
we want to have the time increased.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
There is the opportunity here though, And you again you
touched on this on Thursday last week where you had
said that you'd make the moves required if needed, to
bring it forward as a matter of public importance. How
would that work?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Well, it's one of the few opportunities available to the
cross benches and backbenches of by the side to bring
forward to the Parliament for discussion. It's not really a debate,
it's a discussion a matter of public importance. And what
happens is it's around about five o'clock on a Tuesday
or a Thursday where the member sends a letter to
(07:23):
the Speaker early one day before eight o'clock saying they
wish to bring to the detention of the House this
matter of public importance. They list it very briefly. It
then goes on to basically the agenda and it comes
forward sort of at the end, towards the end of
the day, and it's a two hour global time for talking.
So I would get up and speak first about this
matter of public importance, which is obviously about the petition
(07:43):
and the lack of the bail laws. The whole is
to do with bail and bail laws and also crime,
clearly because you've got good bail laws or not good
bail laws, because you've got crime. So and then opposition
can speak, any member can speak, and at the end
of the two hours people then that's a debate just
concludes it can't be shut down. The government can't shut
down this debate, and they'd be pretty stupid if they did.
(08:07):
But they cannot shut it down.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
It's so easier. What needs to happen now for that
to move forward? And are you going to make those moves?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yes, yes, I have committed to it too, because clearly
they're not. There's no traction anywhere else. There's few opportunities
for people like myself as an independent to get a
serious matter before the Parliament. I could talk in the
German at the very end of the day, but that's
only for ten minutes. But this way it's sort of
a two hour global so it brings everyone's used to
the table, Opposition, other independents for example, and government hopefully
(08:40):
to discuss it. So the interesting test will be, Katie,
how many of the government members wish to speak made
of public importance so it can be tagged towards the
end of the day, you know, it's usually around about
five six o'clock of us foward and that's how we
go forward. We're not requesting the government to do anything.
We're bringing it to the attention of the Parliament that
(09:01):
this matter is very important to everyone in the Parliament
and our community.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
And so will that happen the next time Parliament sits
Kezier or how long do you anticipate it could take?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
No, no, no, it can happen next sitting. We're seeing
at the end of August. So I'm not sure at
this stage whether I'd do it on the Tuesday or
the Thursday, but it'll be been that first week of
sitting in August, because I think this has been going
on too long, Katie. It has to has to come
out into the open moor and the government really has
to address the issue of not only the level and
(09:34):
enormous level of crime we've got, but the nature of
our crime. You know, it is just so destroying and
so damaging to human people and our society, and not
only loss of property and economic loss. You know that
we can get over economic loss, but people can't get
over you know, personal damage and assaults, you know, like
the jockey lady. You know, it's just horrendous, you know,
(09:55):
and coupled with the crime level, that then lends us
to obviously policing issues, it lends to villains issues and
response times, you know, so everyone's under the pump, you know,
the emergency services responding to so much crime that some
people are left wanting and that's the tragedy that it's doing,
and that's what government's missing.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Well, Kesiopuric, we always appreciate your time. Thank you very
much for having a chat with us this morning. We'll
talk to you and so will we see you Friday
for the week that was.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure, Katie.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Hopefully good stuff. Thanks easier by now
Joining me on the line right now is the Independent
Member for goid O, Kezia Puric. Good morning, Kezier.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Oh, good morning, Katie, good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
First off, what did you make of the Chief Minister's
well of her speech yesterday to the National Press Club.
It was the first that she's done to the National
Press Club. Some people saying, you know, good honor, she
got out there and she backed industry. Others not happy
that she's backing the gas industry. What did you make
of it all?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Well, Katie, of course those opposed to the industry are
going to say it was a bad speech, you know,
because the opponents to the Beetloo basin activities and on
shall patrolum activities are always going to be opposing it
and you won't get them to change their mind. And
that's fine, that's their position. But it doesn't mean people
with an opposing position are wrong. It just means it's different.
(00:51):
So what the Chief Minister was expressing was what her
government now thankfully believes, and that is that this development
should and can proceed in a safe manner with we're
stall being sort of mitigated or managed. Name calling, well,
you know, that's that's a bit petty but you know,
calling out people from down south, I think is very
relevant for us up here, because so often we get
(01:13):
these do goods from those Eastern Seaboard or Southern states,
you know, espousing their views of how we should live
our lives in regards to various activities, whatever it may be,
whether it be you know, the petroleome isstry. I remember, Katie,
not so long ago when Jabeluca was a thing on
the board and all these do goody, greedy, lefty UNI
students were busted up here to be protesters. Now that
(01:34):
was a fact.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
They said, come come north for holiday. It's beautiful weather,
it's winter down there, so they all packed on the
bus and came up here. You know, they have no
real interest in what goes on in the Northern Territory.
And you know, I support the Chief Ministry and calling
out people who really don't have a genuine interest in
the territory and just want to sort of, you know,
expouse their views and force an opinion upon, you know,
those around them about how they think we should run
(01:56):
our business up here.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
What's been interesting keys here is that they're there's been
some support obviously, like if you go across all the
different media platforms. There has been some support for her comments.
There's obviously been you know, environmentalists and landowners who haven't
been happy with what she said, particularly around thort the
fracking side of things, But that aside, there's been a
lot of other territory and stepping up and going well,
(02:20):
hang on a second, we've got lots of issues in
our backyard that we've got to try and fix as well.
I e. Crime and look, I think you can walk
and two gum at the same time, and I think
she's got to do that. But this.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Cadgether thing too is the territory is more than just
the oil and gas industry. You know, we have industries
across the board that are successful, that are developing, that
are growing, that are producing great economic and social benefits.
You know, the parcel industry, you know, the agricultural the
whrdal industry. You know, we used to have a fairly
good cut flower industry, with not so much anymore. You know,
(02:54):
we've got a small bee industry. You know, we could
have a bigger bee industry because so much demand for
bees to pollinate certain crops like melons, you know, and
we've got you know, things happening with building the ships
and the defense build up, et cetera, et cetera. You know,
I'd like to see more of a banking and an
IT industry being developed in Darla. So it's more than
just bracking. And that's that's what I get too tired
(03:14):
of with these people down south and others, is they
just focus on that and not all the other parts
of our economy and our community.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Tezier, do you think we're going to reach that forty
billion dollar economy by twenty thirty?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
No, I don't lie some of them well, because we
just will show me where it's going to come from.
You know, That's the Thingkseie. It's good to have all
these projects that you know have been sort of earmarked
or been talked about. But the bigger the size of
the project, the greater the risk. We've already seen issues
in regards to the offscreen management of you know, the
s cable. We've seen issues in regards to you know,
(03:48):
prawn farms and all that sort of stuff, and we'll
have issues in the future. And these are corporate issues.
It's not necessarily to do with the territory per se.
The only thing the government can make that happen, is
is they sort out the bloody red tape, green tape,
black tape and even base tape that we have within government.
There is so much styming going on when it comes
to business and industry trying to get ahead in a
(04:08):
legitimate way, and that might be the only way. And
what makes me sort of smile a little bit in
a right way is that the government's finally realize that
they're getting to the edge of the royalty pip, that
there aren't any large major minds coming up behind to
replace the ones we're losing. Well, hello, Minister Madison and
everyone else. I've been saying that for about the last
(04:29):
ten years. You need major world class mining projects now
or being planned now. Call Lithiam It's great, good project,
good mind, good company, put along for ten fifteen years,
hopefully a lot more. We need a mining project that
gives us twenty plus years, and that's what the Beaterlo
kind of project's going to do for the Northern Church.
But we still also want hard rock mining, you know
(04:49):
the books, like manganese, gold, etc. This government is just
a little bit late to the party sometimes, So if
they want to get to that forty billion dollar target.
They're going to have to somehow expedite expiration in the
turtrick to get some new minds opening up. Well, KESI
place the ones we're going to lose. Yeah, for example
at about five to ten years nothing. You know that.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
You're cutting out there a little bit keasier, you're cutting
out for some reason.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
That better.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
That's better, Kezia. The other thing that I am keen
to ask you about this morning, and it's something we've
been speaking about over recent days and we spoke to
you about it last Thursday. Now the petition Justice for
declan lavity. We now know obviously the Public Accounts Committee
have said yes they do think it needs to go
back to the Parliament for debate. But people were absolutely
(05:39):
angered to learn on Monday that it's only for sixteen minutes.
You had said that regardless. Okay, so that's that's the rules,
you'd said on Monday.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Government hasn't done that.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
No, Well you'd said on Monday though that in other
states it's longer. Yeah, so talk me through that.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Well, that's just what they're standing orders. The debating of
the petition was introduced I think in the last term
when I was speaking. It was just part of the
review of the Standing Orders. How can we do things better,
how can do things differently, you know, to help people
who do put petitions into the Parliament. I mean previously,
the petition would go in, the member would read it,
sit down, the government would then respond to it. That's
it pretty much. So the Standing Orders Committee decided that
(06:20):
time to revise how petitions are handled and that's when
the new rules came in to refer it off to
a committee to review it to see if it should
be debated a little bit. And I can't recall why
the sixteen minutes was arrived upon, but other states have
different times. As I said to you, in New South Wales,
I'm pretty sure has bettered out to debate a petition.
How it gets to that debate, I'm not sure. So
(06:43):
that could be something that the Standing Order's Committee reviews. Again, Keimty,
we want to have the time increased.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
There is the opportunity here though, And you again you
touched on this on Thursday last week where you had
said that you'd make the moves required if needed, to
bring it forward as a matter of public importance. How
would that work?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Well, it's one of the few opportunities available to the
cross benches and backbenches of by the side to bring
forward to the Parliament for discussion. It's not really a debate,
it's a discussion a matter of public importance. And what
happens is it's around about five o'clock on a Tuesday
or a Thursday where the member sends a letter to
(07:23):
the Speaker early one day before eight o'clock saying they
wish to bring to the detention of the House this
matter of public importance. They list it very briefly. It
then goes on to basically the agenda and it comes
forward sort of at the end, towards the end of
the day, and it's a two hour global time for talking.
So I would get up and speak first about this
matter of public importance, which is obviously about the petition
(07:43):
and the lack of the bail laws. The whole is
to do with bail and bail laws and also crime,
clearly because you've got good bail laws or not good
bail laws, because you've got crime. So and then opposition
can speak, any member can speak, and at the end
of the two hours people then that's a debate just
concludes it can't be shut down. The government can't shut
down this debate, and they'd be pretty stupid if they did.
(08:07):
But they cannot shut it down.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
It's so easier. What needs to happen now for that
to move forward? And are you going to make those moves?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yes, yes, I have committed to it too, because clearly
they're not. There's no traction anywhere else. There's few opportunities
for people like myself as an independent to get a
serious matter before the Parliament. I could talk in the
German at the very end of the day, but that's
only for ten minutes. But this way it's sort of
a two hour global so it brings everyone's used to
the table, Opposition, other independents for example, and government hopefully
(08:40):
to discuss it. So the interesting test will be, Katie,
how many of the government members wish to speak made
of public importance so it can be tagged towards the
end of the day, you know, it's usually around about
five six o'clock of us foward and that's how we
go forward. We're not requesting the government to do anything.
We're bringing it to the attention of the Parliament that
(09:01):
this matter is very important to everyone in the Parliament
and our community.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
And so will that happen the next time Parliament sits
Kezier or how long do you anticipate it could take?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
No, no, no, it can happen next sitting. We're seeing
at the end of August. So I'm not sure at
this stage whether I'd do it on the Tuesday or
the Thursday, but it'll be been that first week of
sitting in August, because I think this has been going
on too long, Katie. It has to has to come
out into the open moor and the government really has
to address the issue of not only the level and
(09:34):
enormous level of crime we've got, but the nature of
our crime. You know, it is just so destroying and
so damaging to human people and our society, and not
only loss of property and economic loss. You know that
we can get over economic loss, but people can't get
over you know, personal damage and assaults, you know, like
the jockey lady. You know, it's just horrendous, you know,
(09:55):
and coupled with the crime level, that then lends us
to obviously policing issues, it lends to villains issues and
response times, you know, so everyone's under the pump, you know,
the emergency services responding to so much crime that some
people are left wanting and that's the tragedy that it's doing,
and that's what government's missing.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Well, Kesiopuric, we always appreciate your time. Thank you very
much for having a chat with us this morning. We'll
talk to you and so will we see you Friday
for the week that was.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure, Katie.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Hopefully good stuff. Thanks easier by now
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