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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In some locations, voting has already commenced and the Australian
Electoral Commission has begun remote voting across Australia. Now there's
going to be sixty teams as I understand, it's set
to visit more than seven hundred and fifty locations over
the next three weeks. Dozens of voters cast their ballots.
Well yesterday in war Im a younger as I understand it,
(00:22):
and joining me on the line right now is the member,
the federal Member fa Lingari, Marion Scrimjaw, who was there
yesterday for the early voting. Good morning to you, Marion.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Good morning Katie. How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, really well? Are you still at whar I'm a younger.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Today, I'm I'm I'm still and warm younger. So we'll
stay here. So the booth is here for the next
three days. It was a bit slow. We had about
three twenty three twenty five people come through yesterday. There
was a lot of sorry business in the community for
(01:00):
you know, because there's been some really tragic deaths over
the last couple of days. So that that sort of
dealt with why it was quite slow yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Marian, are you expecting that things are going to pick
up a bit over the next couple of days or
do you think everybody realizes that they can turn.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Out now to ye, people are coming in. We're seeing
a steady stream today, which is what I expected that
Yesterday it was slow because they've been a body had
been flown out of the island, so there was people
were really sad, and so I notified Tom and Jeff
(01:45):
Booth and the AEC stuff that it was going to
be slow because of that. But we're starting to see
a steady stream come through this morning, Katie. And you know,
there's about one than one hundred people on the of
you know, the enrollment what do you call it, the role. Yes,
(02:05):
we're a younger and so three twenties come through. We'll
see some this morning. I'd say we've probably had close
to one hundred people coming this morning to vote. And
I think people will come all day. The polls open
up until four o'clock every day, so people are coming.
You know, we get that big hit in the morning
(02:26):
and then it trickles off towards you know when it
starts getting really hot in the middle of the day.
But in the afternoon people come, particularly a lot of
the workers around the community come in the afternoon afterword, Marion.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
How do you think this is all going to go?
Do you think that it's going to get up?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Look, Katie, yesterday and again today, there's real optimism and
hope in the community and in my home community of
we're younger, a lot of people are saying, yes, we've
got to make a change. Everyone's saying and we can't
keep doing the same, you know, thing over and over
and over and expecting a different outcome because it's just
(03:07):
not working. You know, there are some people who are
saying no as well, because you know they're a bit confused,
and that's okay, you know, we're not we're not pushing that.
But the majority, I would say nearly eighty percent of
this community are on board. So I'm hoping that'll be
replicated across the Northern Territory. I leave, you know, the
(03:30):
Tewey Island to go back to Alice to do a
couple of boots down in Central Australia. Then I'll fly
back up and then go to the Barkley. So there's
about one hundred and ninety five booths across Lingiari and
I'm trying to get to as many as I can Marion.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You know, I think that everybody is hoping that beyond
the referendum, things do change, and you know, whether it
is a yes or no across the country, that it
shines a light on some of the issues that we've
got around well, right around Australia, but particularly here in
the Northern Territory, to try to change the way in
which we are doing things. What is going to like,
(04:09):
what's going to happen for remote communities beyond the referendum.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Look, I think, I think Katie, and I've said this
to a number of people, regardless of the vote on
the fourteenth of COVID, whether it's yes or whether it's no,
I'm hoping that it will be yes. But regardless of
what that vote is, we cannot continue the status quoes.
We cannot go back to more of the same of
(04:34):
what we've been doing over the the paths whatever. We've
got to change the way we're doing things and fix
some of the inertia that's on the ground in communities
and have a look at you know, given the federal
government putting a whole lot of money into some of
these communities, why aren't we seeing the changes in health,
(04:56):
in education, in housing, in you know, economic development. Where
are the jobs for young people? So that's what a
lot of young people are saying to us. You know,
we're bored. We've got no jobs. You know, no one's
giving us jobs. And yet there are organizations in our
remote community. Some of them are job providers that are
(05:17):
down in Sydney and Melbourne that provides services into the
Northern Territory. But young people are saying, we're not being employed,
you know, we don't have jobs. So I think a
lot of that has to change, Katie. We can't keep
doing the same thing and spending more and more money
and we're getting the same outcome.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah, And look, I think you'd be hard pressed to
find anybody that disagrees with that in the Northern Territory,
particularly when you look at the volume of money that's
been invested, and you know, and in some cases the
outcomes have been very minimal, you know, in terms of
positive outcomes. You know, there are certainly some great positive
stories out there as well. But Marion has Anthonysy got
(06:00):
a plan for you know, well, firstly, I guess if
this gets up, how exactly are we going to ensure
that the voice benefits people like those living on the
Tiwi Islands, for example, but also that it's not you know,
there's been a lot of discussion about the body or
the voice, you know, being potentially made up of of
like elitis rather than people that are actually on the ground.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, look, Katie, we need to make sure and you know,
and I've said this to Melanderry McCarthy. I've also said
this to Linda Bernie is the Minister, and Linda is
quite committed to making sure that remote voices that we
look at what's that remote and regional voice and that
representation that has to be able to come and be
(06:47):
the voice to Canberra. So we're all very conscious that
it's not about people on the East and Seaboard and
the others making a decision for the Northern arity. We've
had that and it hasn't worked. We've got to make
sure and I've said to people, as the Federal member
for Lingiari, I will be making sure that those local
(07:10):
voices become the voices to Canberra. And we've got to
make sure that that happens, Katie. And it's not just
lip service, and that we see people who are not
part of the community, speaking for and on behalf of communities.
We've seen this with Lydia Thorpe recently going into you
in the Moon. You can plan the government, you can
(07:31):
criticize a whole number of things, but you know what,
she goes back to her nice home in Victoria. I'm
getting a bit sick of people coming up and down
south and speaking for and on behalf and I don't
care whether they're you know, these aren't deals that we're
talking about. Is an independent senator for Victoria. There are
(07:52):
senators that think that it's okay to speak for and
on behalf of the Northern territory and to criticize is
what's happening in the territory when they're not looking in
their own backyard.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, I think we all get a big bloody sick
of that.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Ye Oh, look, you know, like we know that we've
got problems here, but you know, places a lot Victory,
they're shooting each other in the main street. People are
sitting outside of cafes and getting shot. So there are
issues wherever we go nationally, and a lot of our
countrymen are saying we need to be involved in changing
(08:29):
what happens in our community and that's the only way
we're going to change this by getting our leaders to
change that and to stop accepting that this is good
policy when it's not. It's bad. Marion.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Has the Prime Minister got a plan if this doesn't
get up.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Well, one of the things that we've said that no
matter what happens, no matter what happens going forward, Katie,
we will pick ourselves thecker and we have to do
what's right for this country and particularly for the Northern territory.
I know that, you know central Australia. When I put
the flea on the table about Central Australia, you know
(09:10):
he listened. I know that there's been a lot of
criticism that he only said for a couple of hours,
but people have understand. So it's got Morrison so to
Peter's up and they come in for a couple of
hours and they have to go again because their jobs
are big jobs. They run this country and particularly the
Prime minister, but we need to get a focus in
the top end as well. There has been a real
(09:33):
focus on Central Australia. So I think the Prime Minister
does and is committed to making sure that going forward
we have a plan for the Northern Territory and that
we all this right because we can't keep talking about
this in five, ten, twenty years, Katie.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Oh, there's got to be some change.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Absolutely, it's like it's ordinated.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Like Darwin. Well, places like Darlas are under siege and
in a crisis because we're seeing the urban dress, we're
seeing country and leaving their main communities and they're going
into Darwen. That's when we're dealing with the anti social
behavior and all the problems that we see on the
streets of Darwen. We've got to change that. We've got
to say, you know, like leaders, Aboriginal leaders have got
(10:20):
to take responsibility for this and you know, we've got
to change the way things are, you know that are
happening on the Grand in our community. Laroche or wants
to change you know what's happening in Darwen me because
people coming in and you know, running a mark in Darwen.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Well, this is the thing you know up here in
the top end at the moment. And I know we
have spoken a lot about Central Australia and rightly so,
you know they've had some terrible, terrible situations. But you know,
even like a week and a half ago we had
somebody allegedly murdered outside the Woolworths CBD, you know, with
it with a knife. Horrendous stuff that's going on in
(11:02):
our streets and marrying rightly or wrongly. People feel like
the Northern Territory government's not taking it seriously enough and
they're sort of screaming out for someone to listen to them.
Whether it's you, whether it's the Prime Minister, they're just
screaming out for some change.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yep. And look, I think that you know, the Chief
Minister and her government needs to stop ignoring that there
is an issue you know, on the ground in Darwin.
Darwin is you know everywhere I've gone around Darwen and
I've remarked, I've said this the people, you know, Katie,
(11:39):
that I've never seen so much Aboriginal people in Darwin
sleeping rath and running a mark in and around the
CBD in Darwin. You know, you see it all around Darwen.
And that's dabbing last week like that was just that's
come from a remote community and people have in you know,
in in Darwin, and that's when it's free for all
(12:03):
because people are just drinking. There's no rules around that
that managed to look in Alice Springs, that's managed to
reduce a lot of the you know, the crisis that
we were seeing. Maybe it's time for Darwin and Catherine
people to start having a look at do we start
having and applying those same restrictions that we've got in
(12:26):
Alice Springs in and around Darwen because a lot of
our Aboriginal people that are in town, they are you know,
it's free for all with frogs. There's also a big
issue of you know, getting access to drugs, and there's
some of those drugs are now infiltrating in some of
our emote community, so very young people are going coming
(12:48):
into Darwin.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
So do you recomman that we need to that we
need to have those restrictions where maybe you kin'd of
take away alcohol a couple of days a week up
here in Darwin.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Look, I think that we need to have a lot
look at some of the Aboriginal people that don't have
a home address like what we do in Alice Springs.
If they don't have a home address and they don't
have a residency, then they shouldn't have access to alcohol.
(13:17):
They I think people have to show where their residency
is I think sometimes you've got to be You've got
to be tough to be able to start dealing with this. Katie.
You know, we can't keep avoiding that alcohol is still
the number one issue that is causing the problems on
the street of Darwin.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
So just so from your perspective, like, how would how
would that sort of look? So if you if you're
in town from a community and you go to purchase
alcohol and you don't have an address that's here in Darwin,
then you can't buy it.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Well, I think that there's got to be a broader discussion,
Katie ye with everybody. Like always, I've put this on
the table down we're talking about maybe it needs to
generate that discussion and the debate because a people will
agree it is a major issue and it has to
be looked at. We can't ignore it anymore. You know.
(14:14):
I know that there was some pain for the Alice
Springs community, but you know, I take my hat off
to all of the residents of Alice Springs. People have
worked with that and the restrictions have then provided respite
for the very people who need it now. Ambos, you know,
the paramedics that have to deal with this stuff all
the time. Our hospitals that are overcrowded as well, and
(14:37):
you know, we can't put people in beds because the
A and E is under siege, and our plates, some
of those flea cells are being used as a sobering upshelter. Like,
you know, like we've got to start dealing with this
issue in a better way. And it's not about being
a racist or you know, like this is, oh, you're
(14:59):
only going to target original people. Well, the majority of
the problems on the street, unfortunately, are our countrymens. So
we've got to deal with it. We can't keep avoiding
this issue.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Well, I think you're spot on, Marian. I think you
one hundred percent spot on. We can't keep avoiding the issue.
And I think that very often what happens is, you know,
people are half afraid to say that because they're worried
that they're going to get called racist, when the fact
is we've got some really serious issues that we've got
to deal with.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, but most people won't be affected because they've got
a house, and people work and they you know, they
have a lifestyle. Most people won't be affected by restrictions, Katie.
But we've got to make some hard decisions in terms
of bumbomb that are creating the problems on the street
of Darwin, and we've got to self avoiding this conversation
(15:51):
all the time.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, Marian Scrimjaw, I always appreciate your time. Thank you
very much for having a chat with us this morning,
and no doubt we'll talk to you again, so no
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Worries, Katie, thank you, thank you,
In some locations, voting has already commenced and the Australian
Electoral Commission has begun remote voting across Australia. Now there's
going to be sixty teams as I understand, it's set
to visit more than seven hundred and fifty locations over
the next three weeks. Dozens of voters cast their ballots.
Well yesterday in war Im a younger as I understand it,
(00:22):
and joining me on the line right now is the member,
the federal Member fa Lingari, Marion Scrimjaw, who was there
yesterday for the early voting. Good morning to you, Marion.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Good morning Katie. How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, really well? Are you still at whar I'm a younger.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Today, I'm I'm I'm still and warm younger. So we'll
stay here. So the booth is here for the next
three days. It was a bit slow. We had about
three twenty three twenty five people come through yesterday. There
was a lot of sorry business in the community for
(01:00):
you know, because there's been some really tragic deaths over
the last couple of days. So that that sort of
dealt with why it was quite slow yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Marian, are you expecting that things are going to pick
up a bit over the next couple of days or
do you think everybody realizes that they can turn.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Out now to ye, people are coming in. We're seeing
a steady stream today, which is what I expected that
Yesterday it was slow because they've been a body had
been flown out of the island, so there was people
were really sad, and so I notified Tom and Jeff
(01:45):
Booth and the AEC stuff that it was going to
be slow because of that. But we're starting to see
a steady stream come through this morning, Katie. And you know,
there's about one than one hundred people on the of
you know, the enrollment what do you call it, the role. Yes,
(02:05):
we're a younger and so three twenties come through. We'll
see some this morning. I'd say we've probably had close
to one hundred people coming this morning to vote. And
I think people will come all day. The polls open
up until four o'clock every day, so people are coming.
You know, we get that big hit in the morning
(02:26):
and then it trickles off towards you know when it
starts getting really hot in the middle of the day.
But in the afternoon people come, particularly a lot of
the workers around the community come in the afternoon afterword, Marion.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
How do you think this is all going to go?
Do you think that it's going to get up?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Look, Katie, yesterday and again today, there's real optimism and
hope in the community and in my home community of
we're younger, a lot of people are saying, yes, we've
got to make a change. Everyone's saying and we can't
keep doing the same, you know, thing over and over
and over and expecting a different outcome because it's just
(03:07):
not working. You know, there are some people who are
saying no as well, because you know they're a bit confused,
and that's okay, you know, we're not we're not pushing that.
But the majority, I would say nearly eighty percent of
this community are on board. So I'm hoping that'll be
replicated across the Northern Territory. I leave, you know, the
(03:30):
Tewey Island to go back to Alice to do a
couple of boots down in Central Australia. Then I'll fly
back up and then go to the Barkley. So there's
about one hundred and ninety five booths across Lingiari and
I'm trying to get to as many as I can Marion.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You know, I think that everybody is hoping that beyond
the referendum, things do change, and you know, whether it
is a yes or no across the country, that it
shines a light on some of the issues that we've
got around well, right around Australia, but particularly here in
the Northern Territory, to try to change the way in
which we are doing things. What is going to like,
(04:09):
what's going to happen for remote communities beyond the referendum.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Look, I think, I think Katie, and I've said this
to a number of people, regardless of the vote on
the fourteenth of COVID, whether it's yes or whether it's no,
I'm hoping that it will be yes. But regardless of
what that vote is, we cannot continue the status quoes.
We cannot go back to more of the same of
(04:34):
what we've been doing over the the paths whatever. We've
got to change the way we're doing things and fix
some of the inertia that's on the ground in communities
and have a look at you know, given the federal
government putting a whole lot of money into some of
these communities, why aren't we seeing the changes in health,
(04:56):
in education, in housing, in you know, economic development. Where
are the jobs for young people? So that's what a
lot of young people are saying to us. You know,
we're bored. We've got no jobs. You know, no one's
giving us jobs. And yet there are organizations in our
remote community. Some of them are job providers that are
(05:17):
down in Sydney and Melbourne that provides services into the
Northern Territory. But young people are saying, we're not being employed,
you know, we don't have jobs. So I think a
lot of that has to change, Katie. We can't keep
doing the same thing and spending more and more money
and we're getting the same outcome.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah, And look, I think you'd be hard pressed to
find anybody that disagrees with that in the Northern Territory,
particularly when you look at the volume of money that's
been invested, and you know, and in some cases the
outcomes have been very minimal, you know, in terms of
positive outcomes. You know, there are certainly some great positive
stories out there as well. But Marion has Anthonysy got
(06:00):
a plan for you know, well, firstly, I guess if
this gets up, how exactly are we going to ensure
that the voice benefits people like those living on the
Tiwi Islands, for example, but also that it's not you know,
there's been a lot of discussion about the body or
the voice, you know, being potentially made up of of
like elitis rather than people that are actually on the ground.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, look, Katie, we need to make sure and you know,
and I've said this to Melanderry McCarthy. I've also said
this to Linda Bernie is the Minister, and Linda is
quite committed to making sure that remote voices that we
look at what's that remote and regional voice and that
representation that has to be able to come and be
(06:47):
the voice to Canberra. So we're all very conscious that
it's not about people on the East and Seaboard and
the others making a decision for the Northern arity. We've
had that and it hasn't worked. We've got to make
sure and I've said to people, as the Federal member
for Lingiari, I will be making sure that those local
(07:10):
voices become the voices to Canberra. And we've got to
make sure that that happens, Katie. And it's not just
lip service, and that we see people who are not
part of the community, speaking for and on behalf of communities.
We've seen this with Lydia Thorpe recently going into you
in the Moon. You can plan the government, you can
(07:31):
criticize a whole number of things, but you know what,
she goes back to her nice home in Victoria. I'm
getting a bit sick of people coming up and down
south and speaking for and on behalf and I don't
care whether they're you know, these aren't deals that we're
talking about. Is an independent senator for Victoria. There are
(07:52):
senators that think that it's okay to speak for and
on behalf of the Northern territory and to criticize is
what's happening in the territory when they're not looking in
their own backyard.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, I think we all get a big bloody sick
of that.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Ye Oh, look, you know, like we know that we've
got problems here, but you know, places a lot Victory,
they're shooting each other in the main street. People are
sitting outside of cafes and getting shot. So there are
issues wherever we go nationally, and a lot of our
countrymen are saying we need to be involved in changing
(08:29):
what happens in our community and that's the only way
we're going to change this by getting our leaders to
change that and to stop accepting that this is good
policy when it's not. It's bad. Marion.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Has the Prime Minister got a plan if this doesn't
get up.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Well, one of the things that we've said that no
matter what happens, no matter what happens going forward, Katie,
we will pick ourselves thecker and we have to do
what's right for this country and particularly for the Northern territory.
I know that, you know central Australia. When I put
the flea on the table about Central Australia, you know
(09:10):
he listened. I know that there's been a lot of
criticism that he only said for a couple of hours,
but people have understand. So it's got Morrison so to
Peter's up and they come in for a couple of
hours and they have to go again because their jobs
are big jobs. They run this country and particularly the
Prime minister, but we need to get a focus in
the top end as well. There has been a real
(09:33):
focus on Central Australia. So I think the Prime Minister
does and is committed to making sure that going forward
we have a plan for the Northern Territory and that
we all this right because we can't keep talking about
this in five, ten, twenty years, Katie.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Oh, there's got to be some change.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Absolutely, it's like it's ordinated.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Like Darwin. Well, places like Darlas are under siege and
in a crisis because we're seeing the urban dress, we're
seeing country and leaving their main communities and they're going
into Darwen. That's when we're dealing with the anti social
behavior and all the problems that we see on the
streets of Darwen. We've got to change that. We've got
to say, you know, like leaders, Aboriginal leaders have got
(10:20):
to take responsibility for this and you know, we've got
to change the way things are, you know that are
happening on the Grand in our community. Laroche or wants
to change you know what's happening in Darwen me because
people coming in and you know, running a mark in Darwen.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Well, this is the thing you know up here in
the top end at the moment. And I know we
have spoken a lot about Central Australia and rightly so,
you know they've had some terrible, terrible situations. But you know,
even like a week and a half ago we had
somebody allegedly murdered outside the Woolworths CBD, you know, with
it with a knife. Horrendous stuff that's going on in
(11:02):
our streets and marrying rightly or wrongly. People feel like
the Northern Territory government's not taking it seriously enough and
they're sort of screaming out for someone to listen to them.
Whether it's you, whether it's the Prime Minister, they're just
screaming out for some change.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yep. And look, I think that you know, the Chief
Minister and her government needs to stop ignoring that there
is an issue you know, on the ground in Darwin.
Darwin is you know everywhere I've gone around Darwen and
I've remarked, I've said this the people, you know, Katie,
(11:39):
that I've never seen so much Aboriginal people in Darwin
sleeping rath and running a mark in and around the
CBD in Darwin. You know, you see it all around Darwen.
And that's dabbing last week like that was just that's
come from a remote community and people have in you know,
in in Darwin, and that's when it's free for all
(12:03):
because people are just drinking. There's no rules around that
that managed to look in Alice Springs, that's managed to
reduce a lot of the you know, the crisis that
we were seeing. Maybe it's time for Darwin and Catherine
people to start having a look at do we start
having and applying those same restrictions that we've got in
(12:26):
Alice Springs in and around Darwen because a lot of
our Aboriginal people that are in town, they are you know,
it's free for all with frogs. There's also a big
issue of you know, getting access to drugs, and there's
some of those drugs are now infiltrating in some of
our emote community, so very young people are going coming
(12:48):
into Darwin.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
So do you recomman that we need to that we
need to have those restrictions where maybe you kin'd of
take away alcohol a couple of days a week up
here in Darwin.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Look, I think that we need to have a lot
look at some of the Aboriginal people that don't have
a home address like what we do in Alice Springs.
If they don't have a home address and they don't
have a residency, then they shouldn't have access to alcohol.
(13:17):
They I think people have to show where their residency
is I think sometimes you've got to be You've got
to be tough to be able to start dealing with this. Katie.
You know, we can't keep avoiding that alcohol is still
the number one issue that is causing the problems on
the street of Darwin.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
So just so from your perspective, like, how would how
would that sort of look? So if you if you're
in town from a community and you go to purchase
alcohol and you don't have an address that's here in Darwin,
then you can't buy it.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Well, I think that there's got to be a broader discussion,
Katie ye with everybody. Like always, I've put this on
the table down we're talking about maybe it needs to
generate that discussion and the debate because a people will
agree it is a major issue and it has to
be looked at. We can't ignore it anymore. You know.
(14:14):
I know that there was some pain for the Alice
Springs community, but you know, I take my hat off
to all of the residents of Alice Springs. People have
worked with that and the restrictions have then provided respite
for the very people who need it now. Ambos, you know,
the paramedics that have to deal with this stuff all
the time. Our hospitals that are overcrowded as well, and
(14:37):
you know, we can't put people in beds because the
A and E is under siege, and our plates, some
of those flea cells are being used as a sobering upshelter. Like,
you know, like we've got to start dealing with this
issue in a better way. And it's not about being
a racist or you know, like this is, oh, you're
(14:59):
only going to target original people. Well, the majority of
the problems on the street, unfortunately, are our countrymens. So
we've got to deal with it. We can't keep avoiding
this issue.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Well, I think you're spot on, Marian. I think you
one hundred percent spot on. We can't keep avoiding the issue.
And I think that very often what happens is, you know,
people are half afraid to say that because they're worried
that they're going to get called racist, when the fact
is we've got some really serious issues that we've got
to deal with.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, but most people won't be affected because they've got
a house, and people work and they you know, they
have a lifestyle. Most people won't be affected by restrictions, Katie.
But we've got to make some hard decisions in terms
of bumbomb that are creating the problems on the street
of Darwin, and we've got to self avoiding this conversation
(15:51):
all the time.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, Marian Scrimjaw, I always appreciate your time. Thank you
very much for having a chat with us this morning,
and no doubt we'll talk to you again, so no
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Worries, Katie, thank you, thank you,
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