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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Obviously we've just been talking about the situation with the
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Darwin Port with doctor John con from the Australian Strategic
Policy Institute, and joining me in the studio right now
is the Member for Solomon, Labour's Member for Solomon, Luke Gosland.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good morning to you, Luke, Morning Katy.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Good to have you in the studio now. We're just
talking to doctor John Coyn about the situation with the
port and I know that there's still quite a bit
to sort of progress through from what we can gather,
but certainly being reported this week that there is a
New York based capital management fund that it is preparing
a proposal to buy the port from Landbridge Group, it
does seem as though there's quite a way to go.
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I mean, from your perspective, would you prefer I mean,
I know we may not sort of get to choose
who does or doesn't take over, but would you prefer
to see the port go into Australian hands? Would you
be happy with us hands? Or are you happy with
how it is?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We won't surprise you to know, Katie that I will
start by saying it should have always stayed in Australian
hands and the CLP should never have flogged it off
for ninety nine years. However, we are where we are,
and there is a process and the Prime Minister is
showing leadership here in outlining a commitment to assist a
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situation where the port back is back in Australian hands.
And I caught a little bit of what John Coyn
was saying on your show, and I think he's right.
There are large Australian equity companies, super back superannuation fund
back companies that are interested and I won't talk further
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about who they are, but there is definite interest. Of course,
there are some interested parties, Cerebras being one, an American firm,
but also a Japanese owned logistics firm, so there's a
lot of interest. The reason obviously being is that it's
a great piece of structure, a critical piece of infrastructure.
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But that is exactly why the Prime Minister has made
clear that his Infrastructure Minister, Catherine King, is working with
Bill Yan, the NT Treasurer to do that work to
have a transition.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
That's going to be my next question. How does it
need to be managed in terms of like a change
of lease or a sale. Would it sort of happen.
Does it happen privately? Does the federal government need to
coordinate it, does the Northern Territory government need to coordinate it?
How would it work from your perspective if we do
have quite a bit of interest.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, well, you know, there are obviously questions to put
to the NT Treasurer and Catherine King, the federal Infrastructure Minister,
about their discussions and what coordination is going on between them.
But just for your listeners, there is coordination going on
at that territory federal level. But in terms of letting
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your listeners know what what the intent is here, it's
for a commercial deal because of course Lambridge is looking
for a return on their investment. Now, the figure that
they say that they've invested in the port has been
pretty heroic and changes within one week how much. Look,
I don't know. When I visited the port, they were
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saying sixty. You know, the Chinese ambassador jumps up and
says eighty.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
And then I thought someone that you know there was
reporting that they wouldn't accept an offer that wasn't around
a billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, that's pretty I mean they're going to try and
get the most that they can under a commercial deal,
of course, and that's not surprising. But that's what is
hoped here, is that there is a commercial deal, because
let's face it, if it is just a commercial deal,
if it's not, you know, a company closely connected to
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the People's Republic of China sees as a foothold in Australia.
If it's not that, if it just is a commercial deal,
then a commercial deal will be found. But if a
commercial deal can't be found, then I think your listener's
going to ask themselves, well, what is really going on here?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Well, if a commercial deal can't be found, I think
that's where the next big question comes is, you know,
how are we going to step in or what is
going to happen next? Because I know, in the lead
into the federal election, obviously both Peter Dutton and of
course Anthony albanezis saying we want the port back in
Aussie hands. So if a commercial deal can't be done,
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how are we going to sort of force that hand
in a way that's not going to cause diplomatic tensions.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, well, obviously we want to handle this very carefully
and very sensitively, and that's why the focus should remain
on a commercial deal that has the current owners of
the least Landbridge content that they've got a good return
on their investment. But also that I think we've seen
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ignored pretty clearly that we are moving towards the port
coming back into Australian hands, and the Australian Government, through
the Prime Minister's leadership, has said that we are there
to assist the anti government to do the work to
have that happen.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
It's strategically important, though right.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Incredibly strategically important. It should obviously never been flogged off
in the way that it was.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Never get argument from me on that. I mean, at
the time, we spoke about it extensively. People were not
happy about it happening. I suppose. The thing I find
interesting now is that at the time it was as
if nobody wanted the port, you know, it was if
it was as if nobody wanted to put the investment
into it. Nobody, you know, no aussy company really wanted
to purchase it. Lanmbridge were in a situation where they
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obviously wanted to go into that lease for the most
amount of dollars.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
That's not true, Actually, well who did want to buy it?
So again I don't know which of those companies. It's
on the public record that they put in a bid,
but there were and that's what.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Aressumably LEAs than what land Bridge had put in at
the time if they won that deal.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, but virtually yeah, but without federal government support. So
you've got to remember at the time there was announced
a five billion dollar North Australian infrastructure facility and Dave
told Dave Tolna jumped on the radio and said, oh,
hang on air everyone, even though we've announced this five
billion dollar fund, it can't be used for an Australian
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entity to buy the lease on the board of Darwin.
And I scratched my head at the time and I said,
why why would you prevent the use of a fund
that is exactly for port infrastructure in the North for
being used for an Australian proponents. So why I say
it wasn't quite correct what you were saying, is because
there were Australian proponents and some of them are still
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keen to.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Have well let's hope. So I hope, so I hope
that they're keen, and I hope they're prepared to the
matter of the record.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
You know, what we need to Australia companies did bid
ten years ago for the Australian Port and the CLP
chose Landbridge. I can't now. The reasons why they did
that are still known. They're known by some people.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Well, look I don't have that information. I actually don't
have that, so I'm trusting. I'm trusting what you're telling me. Otherwise,
I'm sure somebody will call in and let us know.
But what I know now is that we are in
a situation where, you know, where it has become very
much a point where not only does Australia want the
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port back, but now it's looking as though you've even
got the US interested in our port, which I do
find quite interesting and I guess it shows how strategically
important that port is. But what are we going to
do here if you know, if if we're not able
to get that sale or get that lease changing hands
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in a positive diplomatic way, I mean, is the Prime
Minister able to force it to happen?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Well, there's as I said, it would be good to
get Catherine King, the Federal Minister, on the line, to
have a chat with you through all of that, and
after the debarcle that was the leasing for a century
of the Darwin Port. Ten years ago there were changes
to the ferb and I'll let others step you through that.
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I can come back on another time and step you
through that. But the fact remains that there were Australian
proponents and there's still Australian proponents that want to take
over the lease, and we've shown it's.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Not the part that I'm asking. What I'm asking is
if we're not able to make this happen in a
diplomatic way, is the Prime Minister going to be able
to force the hand of lamb Bridge.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Well, it's clear that it's within the purview of the
Australian government to make decisions in relation to critical infrastructure
such as this. But we're going to work with the
anti government. Can to you. We've been working with them
for some time already. I guess the difference between us
and what our political opponents of the last federal election
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was saying is we haven't put this sort of artificial
six months timeline on it. I'm sure I know there's
others in the media that want to push it along,
but I make a point about Service actually meeting with Lanmbridge.
It shows that Lanbridge we're keen to meet with them
and to have a discussion. Well hopefully it's.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
A positive thing either way. Like I hope that we're
in a situation where where the port can come back
into ossy hands. Luke, let's move along really quickly. So
I am keen to also ask you about the situation.
We spoke at length about this over the last couple
of days about the situation with health Scope. My understanding
is at the Northern Territory and other state health ministers
were yesterday due to meet with the Federal Health Minister
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about the concerns still remaining around finding an owner for
health Scope and the potential impact on the public health system.
What's the latest from your understanding.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Well, I've just returned from Camberra yesday where I had
briefings with the Federal Health Minister, Mark Butler's office about
the current situation. So I'll make something clear right from
the start is that the Australian Government will not be
bailing out the private owners of this facility because look
right around the country, Healthscope has a number of hospitals.
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Ours here the darn private hospital it's been profitable that
made a decision to shut down their maternity services and
the Anti government knew about that last September, but we're
still working through that. We just got a letter last
week from Steve Enjerton about some further investment in RDH
to cover that. So first thing, Australian Government's not going
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to bail out. But I've heard the health Scope operations
guy on radio yesterday and he was very encouraged by
how much interest there's been in buying out Healthscope from
other private companies.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Is there anything we can do though too? I mean,
what do you think needs to happen on a federal
stage to ensure that we don't have another foreign investor
takeover and put profit before health.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well, there's no doubt that this is another example of
the Federal coalition in government. There were warning signs about
the owners of Healthscope and how well that.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Might but hang on, you guys been in power for
the last couple of years. So what do you are
you talking about when they purchased it, when Healthscope purchased
her Well.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, the Morrison government allowed the sell off of Healthscope
to overseas private equity and they ignored the warning signs
at the time about and.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
So will you guys stop that from happening this time.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I'm just trying to give you an indication of what
we want.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Just what I'm asking is are you going to stop
it from happening this time? So you're pushing back and
saying that the former coalition had allowed it to happen.
So I guess the really obvious question is what will
the current federal government now do to stop it from
happening again.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, So we are obviously there and working with the receivers,
the current owners, because we want to help to make
sure wherever we can, with expert advice from the Department
of Health, and obviously the Department of Health work's closely
with the NT Department of Health just to make sure
the Territorians are getting what their private insurers have promised them,
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which is.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
People are paying a bucket load and getting bloody bugger
all now.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Which is why they deserve to know last September that
maternity services were going to be withdrawn.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
But so odd that is there any update in terms
of the movement. You said that the Health Minister obviously
wrote to the Federal Health Minister last week. You and
I had spoken about that on the show last week
as well, and you gave Steve Edgington a bit of
a kick up the bum on that proposal and said
it really didn't have the level of detail that was required.
Where are things that? So where are things that? I mean?
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Have they provided further detail and is there going to
be some movement in this space?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
So keep in mind that this was last week. So
the Federal Health Department has gone back to the NT
Health Department and said, look if they and they used
you know, sort of Tazzy as an example when Tazzy
were in some strife, they quickly work with the Federal
Health Department said if you can give us this assistance
of six million, we'll put some into Calvary Private Hospital
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and that'll help them deal with the increased load. But
there will also need to be some further assistance for
Royal Hobart Hospital because some of the mums to be
will go there, and so that's been important. But that
was early decisive work by the Tasmanian government in that case.
In our case here in the Northern Territory, nine months
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after they knew that healthscope we're going to pull maternity services.
We've gotten a letter with not enough detail. So that
was last week and they've asked the Federal Health Department
has asked for that further detail. I'm not sure whether
the NT Health Apartment has provided that detail yet. As
of yesterday, they were still in discussions and waiting for
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further articulation of what's going to happen with that. Because
keep in mind, and your listeners may have missed it,
but in the last federal budget we've increased hospital and
health funding for the anti government by thirty percent.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah, you taught us that last time you're on the
show as well. So yesterday, I guess just for because
people are going to be wondering exactly what the go is.
So as of yesterday there was further details still being
sought from the Northern Territory Health Department from the Federal
Health Yeah, about.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
What their plan is and how they want to utilize
that fund.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Right So no, like you know, no concrete progress at
this point in time. Still continuing to work through it.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
That's my understanding from discussions in Canberra.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Luke Goslin, we are going to have to leave it there.
Always appreciate your time and good to see at the
Hospitality Awards last night as well. Cracking evening wasn't.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
It was warm, jeez. And now it's finally raining, thank goodness.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
There's a lot of rain this morning. But yeah, it
was a great night last night. Congratulations to all the winners.
I just do note that Cazales and the Palmerston Country
and Golf Club did very well. Five awards, I think,
so good. Honor well under them, but they really have
revitalized that great, great venue, So well done.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Good stuff. Luke Goslin, thank you as always for your time.
We'll catch up with you again soon.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Jeez, Gudie, thank you.