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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well it is our time to bring in the Nationals leader,
David little Proud. Good morning to you, David. All right,
we might have to try that again. I'm not too
sure what is going on with our phone lines. Hopefully
I've got you there, David, can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I can, Sorry.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
About that, mate, not too sure what's going on with
our phones. Seem to have a few gremlins in our
system this morning. Now I understand you're in Alice. I
know you're in Alice Springs at the moment. What's on
the agenda in Alice?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, Look, we've been listening to traditional owners, to the
local council and now pastions, just making sure we understand
what they need to close the gap, not what Camera
thinks or what Darwin thinks about facing up those challenges.
And obviously it's been years since Australians made a decision
about the voice. The Nationals made the principal position earlier
that we didn't support it. We believed in local action,
(00:52):
not repeating the mistakes of the past of an actic
style Mark two that had big regions that lost me
these communities, and you know, we want to make sure
that there isn't another last year Ansine alberonez he's done nothing.
He's had the sols for twelve months, he's ignored the problems.
He put two hundred and fifty million dollars into China
support our springs, and yet much of that money hasn't
(01:13):
even hit the ground yet. So people just looking for
us to get on with the job. We've made a
commitment around a forensic order to make sure money does
get to where it needs to, about a rural commissioning
the child sexual abuse, and to look at land councils
about locking the potential of the economic development from aigenus austrage.
And that's the sort of practical stuff that we want
to hear doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Well, and I think this is what we all want, right.
We want to make sure that where money is being
poured in, that we've got the outcomes, tangible outcomes, and
that any programs that are being invested in are making
a difference to the lives of people that actually need it.
In terms of the discussions that you've had with elders
in Alice Springs, I mean, what are they saying to
you when you talk about things like the voice and
(01:56):
also when you talk about the issues that Alice Springs
has experienced and really continues to.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, they're not worried about the voice. They just want
some action. And this is about we've got everything in trade,
we've got the money, we know the post code where
they get what area. So why wouldn't we get some
bureaucrats out of Canberra and sit around like I did
and listen to these elders simply talking about the programs
that are to help them in their local community. Because
(02:24):
what would work in Alice won't work in Catherine. It'll
be something different, and it should be the local elders
that help design that. We've got the money, we've got
the bureaucracy to do it, and we should be on
the ground rather than sending people to Canberra where the bureaucrats.
And we fall into this trap all the time. We
send people to Canberra from these regions and what they
do is they generalize, they summarize, and then they nationalize
(02:47):
programs and it doesn't work because programs need to be bespoke.
So they want to see that the money hits the ground,
the bureaucracies out of the way. There are also there's
obviously some conjecture in Alice around the Land Council and
should they have their own localized land Council and that
should be something that should be decided by local Indigenous
(03:08):
austrais not from me in Canberra, but the opportunity should
be there for them to explore it because they believe
they want to unlock the potential of their land that
they do own, to make sure that there's economic development
that they're not relying on certainly, and I think that
is what we should be proud of and what we
should put the environment around in Digenous Australians to do.
If that's the future they see it, then why should
(03:29):
we get in the own the tools are there, just
provide it to them, and a minister needs to get
out on the ground and just sit here and listen
and then force their department to go and do this
stuff rather than tied up in Canberra. Get Canberra here.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Well, look, we are in a very unique situation though,
I guess at the moment in the Northern Territory, with
the Federal Minister and the Shadow Minister for Indigenous Affairs
both based in the Northern Territory. I mean my understanding
is the Indigenous Affairs Minister Melandarry McCarthy wants to sit
down with Just Enterprise to get things moving in terms
of the reconciliation process. Should they be getting together? I mean,
(04:04):
should we be trying to work together on this issue
that's just been you know, it's been decades long.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, and Just I'm with Just at our NAPA jimper
Price as we speak, and she is prepared to do that.
But you've got to be genuine and Melandie McCarthy has
made the statement that just since it turned it down.
She turned it down because she gave less than twenty
four hours notice and there was a family death that
she had to deal with. If you're genuine about this,
(04:33):
then let's do it. We have no problems. We actually
walked into Parliament the very first week after the referendum
and move those motions around a frenzy order, around a
Royal Commission in the child's sexual abuse. We moved that
straight away and we said to the government, please, if
there's other things you don't agree with this, we'll tell
us what you do want to do. We stand ready
(04:54):
and we stand committed. But unfortunately we've had a lost
year where the govern women has had the sulks and
it's time for them to just get on with the
job and we stand ready to do or whatever is necessary.
But I think what we've got to do is not
repeat the mistakes the past, which is what the voice was.
We need to empower the design local programs. And I've
(05:14):
seen that even in my own electric the borders under
the Northern Territory and outback coins and where we had
our elders and they designed its programmed. But it wouldn't
work here because it's a different need and different different
type of people that are living there that have different aspirations.
So we've got money out of four billion dollars a
year goes out, why wouldn't we have some accountability to
(05:36):
that and make sure it's doing what we're asking us
to do. That's just common sense and if the government
wants to take our hand, we stand ready.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Now we know. On the weekend, just in Alice Springs,
there was further issues in Alice Springs with crime. One
young person involved in theft of cars which allegedly targeted
police vehicles. Reportedly so they were reportedly trying to target
these police cars after they'd stole the vehicles. But one
of these young people had eighty five occurrences with police
(06:05):
prior to the most recent alleged defending. Now, the Colp
government's introducing legislation to try and deal with the issues
of crime. But the National Children's Commissioner And Hollands and
Social Justice Commissioner Katie Kiss, along with other groups have
issued a statement really targeting the Territory government's reforms. They
say that the Northern Territory government's plan ignored evidence. I
(06:29):
know that's what mss Hollands had said. Ms Kiss had
said the change condemned First Nations people to a lifetime
of abuse. Now, David, I know that you're not based
here in the Northern Territory, but you've just touched on
in Queensland. There's some really serious issues with crime, particularly
with youth crime as well. I mean, do we need
a bit of a change of how we're looking at
(06:51):
this And do you think it's the role of the
Children's Commissioner nationally to be stepping out and saying this
or do you think that realistically we need governments to
get on with governing for everybody.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, and look as the coins, I'm careful to give
good children's advice across the border because every community is different,
but the ant government, the new anti government, has a
mandate and for all the good children's advice we're getting
from child psychologists and groups like this, it's not working.
And we've hit a tipping point where you have to
worry about the greater good, and the greater good is
(07:25):
the greater community. About worrying about impinging on the rights
of an individual when the greater communities rights are being impinged,
and so you have to do things differently. We get
a lot of advice about the judicial system and how
we do things. It hasn't worked. You've got to be
honest at least have the courage to say it hasn't
worked and you've got to do something different. And in
(07:47):
the Northern Territory, the colp here has come with us
a different plan. There has to be a consequence. If
you're listening to the mayor of our Springs yesterday, it
is about a consequence. But it's also about policing, having
boots on the ground, so there's a deterrent. Children need
boundaries and they need to have a sense of worth
and they need to know that if they do something
wrong there's people there to catch them. If they do
(08:08):
something wrong, there's a consequence. And you know in Queensland,
I'm a big believer in boot camps. If not for
us before sending them to the outback, building these kids up,
showing them a sense of worth, then they can get
a trade or be a jackaro and not just throw
them into detention centers but actually build them up as
human beings. But in the Northern Territory you have a
(08:30):
different a different, different needs and I think the territory
government needs to get on with it. They've been given
a mandate and all these others that are given maturist
advice for a long time just have to understand the
consequence of what the broader community has endured. And enough
is enough now.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
David, I understand that the LMP are set to introduce
two bills into Federal Parliament in the next sittings relating
to supermarket retailers. Talk me through exactly what this is
about and is it going to lower the cost of
living for Australians.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, what this will be will give is fairness and
transparency from the farm gate to your plate. Now, the
government made a whole lot of hula a bit last
week about the compulsory Code of Conduct and they're bringing
in big penalties. Let me tell you those penalties don't
come inuntil April twenty twenty five. There'll be people in
the territory of the night they can't afford to go
to the supermarket and buy dinner. And when you have
(09:23):
a prime minister that's the biggest penalty in terms of
an infringement notice is one hundred and eighty seven eight
hundred he's saying he's going to put on these supermarkets.
They'll pull that out of a cold store in Darwin
to pay that as a cost of doing business. We've
said it'll be a flat two million. That will change culture.
Give a triple c real power, real penalty to do
things straight away. If it's more egregious, it'll go to
(09:45):
a court ten million dollars or ten percent of turnover,
and in the most egregious cases there will be divestage
of powers. Now that doesn't mean we're going to come
in and break up the supermarkets. What that means is
if they do something wrong, they could be forced geographically
sell some of their stores to a smaller competitor. Not
another not willworth the coals or coals are will worst
(10:05):
to a smaller competitor where there's no job losses and
their remains competition, and will also bring in a supermarket
commissioner so that farmers can come forward and make sure
that they don't have to fear retribution.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I mean we know just today food banks release their
hunger report. It's found that three point four million Australian
households are experiencing food insecurity, including two million who are
experiencing severe food insecurity. When you look at the changes
that are being proposed, is I mean, is it genuinely
going to make a difference to those Aussies that are
experiencing severe food insecurity.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
No, not what the Prime Minister's proposing, because it doesn't.
It's a business as usual with the supermarket. So you
have to make sure there's fairness and transparency. This drop
of the farm gate, you should see that at the
checkout in the commetriate period of time. And conversely, if
they go up, you should see it go up. But
they've been gained. But you also have to go to
the fundamentals and watch driving also food not just the
(11:00):
supermarkets game yet, but your energy bill. We haven't got
an energy policy that has any sense at the moment.
Now we're saying we're going to nuclear. That's long term.
In the short term to give you relief and to
drive down prices at the checkout and at your home
and the electricity bill. We need more supply. We need
to get gas and gas on quickly and gas into
the market, because they will bring down our energy bill
(11:22):
very quickly, they'll drive down food costs, they'll give astrains
a bit of hope.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Hey, what did you make of I don't know whether
you've heard this because obviously not based in the Northern Territory,
but we've got a new Greens member of Parliament and
it was revealed on this show last week that her
husband actually was working as a contractor for Impacts. I mean,
does that seem a bit hypocritical to.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
You, Well, it'd be an interesting conversation at home with
an interesting pillow talk on that one, I would suspect.
But look, we need gas and let me tell you
the Northern Territory, while you won't get a nuclear power plant,
is going to play a very big role for us
in the East. You are going to be one of
the most significant parts of our Injeguredy. If lou can
(12:07):
finally get up and we get a pipeline back to
the East as well as Middle arm. But Northern Territory's
going to power our nation and you should be proud
of that, and you should understand you can do that,
and you can do that safely. I do it in
mind electric I've got the biggest developed reserve of culsine
gas beyond Bee Lou. But we we are midgets compared
to what is in the Beloo. And governments of all
(12:29):
persuadings of the past and the territory have been have
done the right thing in developing that it can be
done safely, and that that is our nation's way forward
and the Northern territories way forward in cheap energy.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
David, really quick one before I let you go on
the cost of living topic. The labor member for Solomon,
Luke Gosling is trying to bring Aldi to Darwin in
an effort to lower the cost of living. He's not
been able to sort of meet with them at this
point in time and wasn't really able to answer some
of the pivotal questions last week when I didn't viewed
him on the show about you know, whether this is
(13:03):
actually a reality. But nonetheless he's forging ahead despite what
the naysayers are saying. Do you reckon this is? You know,
do you think he's wasting his time? Do you think
it's going to happen?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Well, this is exactly why you need the best his
powers because what the big supermarkets do is they land
bank and they block players like Aldi and Independence coming in.
So if Luke's serious is about it, when we introduce
our bill, he should come in and vote for Dost
because that'll be the way to get competition into the
Northern Territory, to get Aldi into the Northern Territory, because
(13:36):
you'll find that well Wilworth and Carl's have brought up
all the commercial land because they've land bank to keep
everybody out.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Well, they've been offered some free land, Ald you have
been offered actually some free land. As I understand it,
there's a few commercial landowners that have come forward and said,
do you know what, if they're prepared to come here,
we're prepared to have them. But I guess when you
look at the transport course and some of those other things,
that is you know the reason that we've been given
so far as to why they're not prepared to come
(14:03):
to the Northern Territory like it sort of seems to
me like the key part for us in terms of
getting some more players in the game is our population growth.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Well, it is, and that's one of the challenges that
you've had over the last couple of years. You've had
public population decline while the rest of the country's growing.
The normal territory has been reducing because the former Northern
Territory government didn't crowd an environment for growth. And that's
why this is the opportunity for the CLP government to
say you're going to get on with Beetle, You're going
to get on with middle Arm, You're going to get
(14:34):
on with those things that will drive the territory and
drive the nation. You have all the resources here that
many states a dream of. So it's about empowering and
getting on with the job. But it is population growth
for mine understanding even with the independence, and you shouldn't
just put it in ol these basket. You know there
are independence there that can have a red hot crack
(14:54):
as well. You know, they start looking at anything over
three four thousand population gives them opportunity to come in.
So I'd be very interested to understand all the issue there.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, well, David Little Proud really appreciate your time this morning.
Thanks so much for having a chat with us, and
no doubt we'll talk to you again when you're in
the tear tray.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Sounds great.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Good to you, Thanks very much,
Well it is our time to bring in the Nationals leader,
David little Proud. Good morning to you, David. All right,
we might have to try that again. I'm not too
sure what is going on with our phone lines. Hopefully
I've got you there, David, can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I can, Sorry.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
About that, mate, not too sure what's going on with
our phones. Seem to have a few gremlins in our
system this morning. Now I understand you're in Alice. I
know you're in Alice Springs at the moment. What's on
the agenda in Alice?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, Look, we've been listening to traditional owners, to the
local council and now pastions, just making sure we understand
what they need to close the gap, not what Camera
thinks or what Darwin thinks about facing up those challenges.
And obviously it's been years since Australians made a decision
about the voice. The Nationals made the principal position earlier
that we didn't support it. We believed in local action,
(00:52):
not repeating the mistakes of the past of an actic
style Mark two that had big regions that lost me
these communities, and you know, we want to make sure
that there isn't another last year Ansine alberonez he's done nothing.
He's had the sols for twelve months, he's ignored the problems.
He put two hundred and fifty million dollars into China
support our springs, and yet much of that money hasn't
(01:13):
even hit the ground yet. So people just looking for
us to get on with the job. We've made a
commitment around a forensic order to make sure money does
get to where it needs to, about a rural commissioning
the child sexual abuse, and to look at land councils
about locking the potential of the economic development from aigenus austrage.
And that's the sort of practical stuff that we want
to hear doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Well, and I think this is what we all want, right.
We want to make sure that where money is being
poured in, that we've got the outcomes, tangible outcomes, and
that any programs that are being invested in are making
a difference to the lives of people that actually need it.
In terms of the discussions that you've had with elders
in Alice Springs, I mean, what are they saying to
you when you talk about things like the voice and
(01:56):
also when you talk about the issues that Alice Springs
has experienced and really continues to.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, they're not worried about the voice. They just want
some action. And this is about we've got everything in trade,
we've got the money, we know the post code where
they get what area. So why wouldn't we get some
bureaucrats out of Canberra and sit around like I did
and listen to these elders simply talking about the programs
that are to help them in their local community. Because
(02:24):
what would work in Alice won't work in Catherine. It'll
be something different, and it should be the local elders
that help design that. We've got the money, we've got
the bureaucracy to do it, and we should be on
the ground rather than sending people to Canberra where the bureaucrats.
And we fall into this trap all the time. We
send people to Canberra from these regions and what they
do is they generalize, they summarize, and then they nationalize
(02:47):
programs and it doesn't work because programs need to be bespoke.
So they want to see that the money hits the ground,
the bureaucracies out of the way. There are also there's
obviously some conjecture in Alice around the Land Council and
should they have their own localized land Council and that
should be something that should be decided by local Indigenous
(03:08):
austrais not from me in Canberra, but the opportunity should
be there for them to explore it because they believe
they want to unlock the potential of their land that
they do own, to make sure that there's economic development
that they're not relying on certainly, and I think that
is what we should be proud of and what we
should put the environment around in Digenous Australians to do.
If that's the future they see it, then why should
(03:29):
we get in the own the tools are there, just
provide it to them, and a minister needs to get
out on the ground and just sit here and listen
and then force their department to go and do this
stuff rather than tied up in Canberra. Get Canberra here.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Well, look, we are in a very unique situation though,
I guess at the moment in the Northern Territory, with
the Federal Minister and the Shadow Minister for Indigenous Affairs
both based in the Northern Territory. I mean my understanding
is the Indigenous Affairs Minister Melandarry McCarthy wants to sit
down with Just Enterprise to get things moving in terms
of the reconciliation process. Should they be getting together? I mean,
(04:04):
should we be trying to work together on this issue
that's just been you know, it's been decades long.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, and Just I'm with Just at our NAPA jimper
Price as we speak, and she is prepared to do that.
But you've got to be genuine and Melandie McCarthy has
made the statement that just since it turned it down.
She turned it down because she gave less than twenty
four hours notice and there was a family death that
she had to deal with. If you're genuine about this,
(04:33):
then let's do it. We have no problems. We actually
walked into Parliament the very first week after the referendum
and move those motions around a frenzy order, around a
Royal Commission in the child's sexual abuse. We moved that
straight away and we said to the government, please, if
there's other things you don't agree with this, we'll tell
us what you do want to do. We stand ready
(04:54):
and we stand committed. But unfortunately we've had a lost
year where the govern women has had the sulks and
it's time for them to just get on with the
job and we stand ready to do or whatever is necessary.
But I think what we've got to do is not
repeat the mistakes the past, which is what the voice was.
We need to empower the design local programs. And I've
(05:14):
seen that even in my own electric the borders under
the Northern Territory and outback coins and where we had
our elders and they designed its programmed. But it wouldn't
work here because it's a different need and different different
type of people that are living there that have different aspirations.
So we've got money out of four billion dollars a
year goes out, why wouldn't we have some accountability to
(05:36):
that and make sure it's doing what we're asking us
to do. That's just common sense and if the government
wants to take our hand, we stand ready.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Now we know. On the weekend, just in Alice Springs,
there was further issues in Alice Springs with crime. One
young person involved in theft of cars which allegedly targeted
police vehicles. Reportedly so they were reportedly trying to target
these police cars after they'd stole the vehicles. But one
of these young people had eighty five occurrences with police
(06:05):
prior to the most recent alleged defending. Now, the Colp
government's introducing legislation to try and deal with the issues
of crime. But the National Children's Commissioner And Hollands and
Social Justice Commissioner Katie Kiss, along with other groups have
issued a statement really targeting the Territory government's reforms. They
say that the Northern Territory government's plan ignored evidence. I
(06:29):
know that's what mss Hollands had said. Ms Kiss had
said the change condemned First Nations people to a lifetime
of abuse. Now, David, I know that you're not based
here in the Northern Territory, but you've just touched on
in Queensland. There's some really serious issues with crime, particularly
with youth crime as well. I mean, do we need
a bit of a change of how we're looking at
(06:51):
this And do you think it's the role of the
Children's Commissioner nationally to be stepping out and saying this
or do you think that realistically we need governments to
get on with governing for everybody.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, and look as the coins, I'm careful to give
good children's advice across the border because every community is different,
but the ant government, the new anti government, has a
mandate and for all the good children's advice we're getting
from child psychologists and groups like this, it's not working.
And we've hit a tipping point where you have to
worry about the greater good, and the greater good is
(07:25):
the greater community. About worrying about impinging on the rights
of an individual when the greater communities rights are being impinged,
and so you have to do things differently. We get
a lot of advice about the judicial system and how
we do things. It hasn't worked. You've got to be
honest at least have the courage to say it hasn't
worked and you've got to do something different. And in
(07:47):
the Northern Territory, the colp here has come with us
a different plan. There has to be a consequence. If
you're listening to the mayor of our Springs yesterday, it
is about a consequence. But it's also about policing, having
boots on the ground, so there's a deterrent. Children need
boundaries and they need to have a sense of worth
and they need to know that if they do something
wrong there's people there to catch them. If they do
(08:08):
something wrong, there's a consequence. And you know in Queensland,
I'm a big believer in boot camps. If not for
us before sending them to the outback, building these kids up,
showing them a sense of worth, then they can get
a trade or be a jackaro and not just throw
them into detention centers but actually build them up as
human beings. But in the Northern Territory you have a
(08:30):
different a different, different needs and I think the territory
government needs to get on with it. They've been given
a mandate and all these others that are given maturist
advice for a long time just have to understand the
consequence of what the broader community has endured. And enough
is enough now.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
David, I understand that the LMP are set to introduce
two bills into Federal Parliament in the next sittings relating
to supermarket retailers. Talk me through exactly what this is
about and is it going to lower the cost of
living for Australians.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, what this will be will give is fairness and
transparency from the farm gate to your plate. Now, the
government made a whole lot of hula a bit last
week about the compulsory Code of Conduct and they're bringing
in big penalties. Let me tell you those penalties don't
come inuntil April twenty twenty five. There'll be people in
the territory of the night they can't afford to go
to the supermarket and buy dinner. And when you have
(09:23):
a prime minister that's the biggest penalty in terms of
an infringement notice is one hundred and eighty seven eight
hundred he's saying he's going to put on these supermarkets.
They'll pull that out of a cold store in Darwin
to pay that as a cost of doing business. We've
said it'll be a flat two million. That will change culture.
Give a triple c real power, real penalty to do
things straight away. If it's more egregious, it'll go to
(09:45):
a court ten million dollars or ten percent of turnover,
and in the most egregious cases there will be divestage
of powers. Now that doesn't mean we're going to come
in and break up the supermarkets. What that means is
if they do something wrong, they could be forced geographically
sell some of their stores to a smaller competitor. Not
another not willworth the coals or coals are will worst
(10:05):
to a smaller competitor where there's no job losses and
their remains competition, and will also bring in a supermarket
commissioner so that farmers can come forward and make sure
that they don't have to fear retribution.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I mean we know just today food banks release their
hunger report. It's found that three point four million Australian
households are experiencing food insecurity, including two million who are
experiencing severe food insecurity. When you look at the changes
that are being proposed, is I mean, is it genuinely
going to make a difference to those Aussies that are
experiencing severe food insecurity.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
No, not what the Prime Minister's proposing, because it doesn't.
It's a business as usual with the supermarket. So you
have to make sure there's fairness and transparency. This drop
of the farm gate, you should see that at the
checkout in the commetriate period of time. And conversely, if
they go up, you should see it go up. But
they've been gained. But you also have to go to
the fundamentals and watch driving also food not just the
(11:00):
supermarkets game yet, but your energy bill. We haven't got
an energy policy that has any sense at the moment.
Now we're saying we're going to nuclear. That's long term.
In the short term to give you relief and to
drive down prices at the checkout and at your home
and the electricity bill. We need more supply. We need
to get gas and gas on quickly and gas into
the market, because they will bring down our energy bill
(11:22):
very quickly, they'll drive down food costs, they'll give astrains
a bit of hope.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Hey, what did you make of I don't know whether
you've heard this because obviously not based in the Northern Territory,
but we've got a new Greens member of Parliament and
it was revealed on this show last week that her
husband actually was working as a contractor for Impacts. I mean,
does that seem a bit hypocritical to.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
You, Well, it'd be an interesting conversation at home with
an interesting pillow talk on that one, I would suspect.
But look, we need gas and let me tell you
the Northern Territory, while you won't get a nuclear power plant,
is going to play a very big role for us
in the East. You are going to be one of
the most significant parts of our Injeguredy. If lou can
(12:07):
finally get up and we get a pipeline back to
the East as well as Middle arm. But Northern Territory's
going to power our nation and you should be proud
of that, and you should understand you can do that,
and you can do that safely. I do it in
mind electric I've got the biggest developed reserve of culsine
gas beyond Bee Lou. But we we are midgets compared
to what is in the Beloo. And governments of all
(12:29):
persuadings of the past and the territory have been have
done the right thing in developing that it can be
done safely, and that that is our nation's way forward
and the Northern territories way forward in cheap energy.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
David, really quick one before I let you go on
the cost of living topic. The labor member for Solomon,
Luke Gosling is trying to bring Aldi to Darwin in
an effort to lower the cost of living. He's not
been able to sort of meet with them at this
point in time and wasn't really able to answer some
of the pivotal questions last week when I didn't viewed
him on the show about you know, whether this is
(13:03):
actually a reality. But nonetheless he's forging ahead despite what
the naysayers are saying. Do you reckon this is? You know,
do you think he's wasting his time? Do you think
it's going to happen?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Well, this is exactly why you need the best his
powers because what the big supermarkets do is they land
bank and they block players like Aldi and Independence coming in.
So if Luke's serious is about it, when we introduce
our bill, he should come in and vote for Dost
because that'll be the way to get competition into the
Northern Territory, to get Aldi into the Northern Territory, because
(13:36):
you'll find that well Wilworth and Carl's have brought up
all the commercial land because they've land bank to keep
everybody out.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Well, they've been offered some free land, Ald you have
been offered actually some free land. As I understand it,
there's a few commercial landowners that have come forward and said,
do you know what, if they're prepared to come here,
we're prepared to have them. But I guess when you
look at the transport course and some of those other things,
that is you know the reason that we've been given
so far as to why they're not prepared to come
(14:03):
to the Northern Territory like it sort of seems to
me like the key part for us in terms of
getting some more players in the game is our population growth.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Well, it is, and that's one of the challenges that
you've had over the last couple of years. You've had
public population decline while the rest of the country's growing.
The normal territory has been reducing because the former Northern
Territory government didn't crowd an environment for growth. And that's
why this is the opportunity for the CLP government to
say you're going to get on with Beetle, You're going
to get on with middle Arm, You're going to get
(14:34):
on with those things that will drive the territory and
drive the nation. You have all the resources here that
many states a dream of. So it's about empowering and
getting on with the job. But it is population growth
for mine understanding even with the independence, and you shouldn't
just put it in ol these basket. You know there
are independence there that can have a red hot crack
(14:54):
as well. You know, they start looking at anything over
three four thousand population gives them opportunity to come in.
So I'd be very interested to understand all the issue there.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, well, David Little Proud really appreciate your time this morning.
Thanks so much for having a chat with us, and
no doubt we'll talk to you again when you're in
the tear tray.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Sounds great.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Good to you, Thanks very much,
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