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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now we just spoke, of course, to James O'Brien, the
acting Deputy Commissioner, about this news stream of police the public.
The police public safety officers now joining us in the studio.
He's the president of the Northern Territory Police Association, Nathan Finn.
Good morning, Finny, Good morning, Katy.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
And good morning for listens. And you've already promoted that
the previous assistant commissary he's not the Deputy commission of
But that's right. I'm sure he wasn't going to correct you.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I always like to give people a bit of a promotion.
What should I make yours today?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Happy with anything? At the moment?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
You love your job? You love your job, Finny.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
We're busy, are very passionate about what we do. Absolutely,
my team are very proud to represent our members and
making sure that they're supporting everything.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Absolutely. I know that you are always busy. Now, tell
me was the union consulted about these plans for the
police public safety officers?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
When you say consulted, when you say spoken to. There's
been a couple of conversations, Katie. That's it. There's clearly
been no concept of what's actually being put forward. We
get frustrated when we hear announcements and being announcements being made,
when we're spoken to on the phone and go, this
is what's coming, this is what's going to be announced,
so we better brief you on what's going on. So
(01:20):
there's been verbal discussions, Catie, we haven't seen anything in writing.
This is something that's it's not new, it's a new
concept of policing and most of our jurisdictions interstate have
these types of models that operate through the transit systems
as well. There's a lot of questions that need to
be answered and whether that can be supported or not supported,
it's going to be in the detail, Coatie, and we
(01:41):
don't have that detail at the moment. There's a lot
of things to work through and until we get that detail,
it's hard to obviously have those discussions.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I mean, we did just speak to James O'Brien. He
said that they're going to operate similarly to what the
Palis do. Surely it's a good thing to have more
of them and more people are the front line, you know,
able to help out.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I wouldn't describe the Pali situation as a positive for
the Northern Territory Police Force, Katie. We've seen the PALI
positions there. We're currently got seven out of the seventy
one that operate, so our constalls are being forced to
do this role. And we see this potentially going down
the same track, Katie. What happens when these ppsos aren't
on duty? Is it expected expectation of a constable to
fill that role? Is it going to be placed back
(02:24):
onto police to actually manage that we've seen in the paper,
we've seen in the media going through that this fifty
six positions been identified, that funding is going to come
across the police is what I'm understanding at the moment. Again,
who knows that these fifty six police fifty six officers
at the moment are going to be suitable to transition
into the Police Public Safety Office.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Well, we'd spoken to their CPSU yesterday. They'd sort of
raised a concern that some of them may not want
to either, So that is something that obviously.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Is going to have to be And again, if they
wanted to be police officers, they would apply to be
police officer and they probably be police officers now if
they were suitable and wanted to take down that stream.
So we don't know, But what happens in that same
in the case of let's go fifty six of these
people that have been identified the safety officers come across
and do the training, Who's going to do that role
while they're transitioning to this new rock. What's the expectation
(03:12):
is police going to maintain that visibility over the transit
safety network. Who's going to look after the public housing
safety officers at the time if they all transition. We
don't know. Again, until we see the detail about the
number of people who are suitable, who want to come
over and discussions to go on with that, we don't
know if they're going to be our members, Katie, so
I heard this morning on the radio the police officers
(03:33):
they're going to be carrying full accruitchments. Again, we don't
know that. We haven't seen that, we haven't seen what
the concept is in relation to it. We know our
palis have firearms at the moment. Again, they've got very
limited powers where they can carry them firearms and it
has to be in accordance with their duties. We don't
know what these duties are for the PPM, So.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
All of this needs to be worked through at this
point in time. I mean, James did go through some
of that with us, but it sounds as though it's
quite a bit of negotiation or discussion that needs to happen.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
At this huge legislative changes to take place, Cady. So again,
it's frustrating that the government comes out announces this when
not a lot of the stuff is going to be
worked out, and there's expectations about when it starts adding
extra week's works to police to obviously facilitate this, to
organize this, to go through the legacy changes that need
to be made, the training at our college that's already
(04:19):
at capacity. We've seen a huge number of recruits coming through,
We've got a huge number of training facilities going through,
but we've got no extra room to so I'm not
quite sure how this is going to maintain that.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
So, Finny, is that the message that you are receiving
from your members at the moment.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
They're unsure, Cadie, And again they're quite frustrated that we
haven't got to a pay deal for the police officers
and we're announcing a new stream of police officers they're
going to be placed out in the public. So they're
quite frustrated about it, and they don't have the detail either.
And I don't have the detail either. So when they
ring me and go what's going on this, what's their proposal?
I can't go, Well, I've been briefed, fully, I've had discussions, Catie.
(04:57):
We haven't even started the consultation, the management of consultation,
and they're required to do that under the obviously current
consent agreement. We need to go through that process, Katie,
and see what it.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Looks to play devil's advocate here. I mean, it's surely
it's a good thing to have some if we're able
to have some other officers who are able to deal
with some of that anti social behavior, you know, that
public drinking, that kind of thing that we see around
the place all the time. That, to be really blunt
about it, our Northern Territory police are too bloody busy
(05:26):
to be dealing Katie.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
And that's the real big issue at the moment. Again,
I'm not saying I support I'm not saying I don't
support it. I see the benefits of it as well,
and I see the negatives of it as well. To
our current workforce. We don't know what the impacts are
going to be long term on our current police officers.
These are people that I don't take care of currently,
so that the tsos and the faizos, I don't take
care of them. So industry wise, I haven't got an
(05:48):
agreement to say that this is a stream that I
look after, we look after industrially. There's going to have
to be a new consent agreement negotiated in respect to
them separately. Outside of this one. Again, there's a lot
of things, lots to get through. There's a huge load
of works. So when the government has an announcement about this,
everyone else is playing trying to play catch up now.
(06:09):
And the police have reassured me that they're going to
get a written submission to the Northern Territory Police station
Ation by the eleventh of July. I look forward to
reading that, look forward to starting those consoments.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
So at this point in time, it seems like, you
know that's the biggest issue, is that you actually need
some further detail.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah. Hey, Finny, where are things at with the payoffer,
with the pay negotiations?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, Katie, thank you for asking. It's one of our
biggest things going on at the moment, The biggest thing
for our police officers that that's the number one question
we're being asked at the moment. We had a further
meeting with our consult Consultation Committee Consent Agreement Committee on
Wednesday afternoon. We received a revised offer. Again, we're working
through that revised offer. Now there's a few things in
the documentation that we weren't quite happy with in respect
(06:52):
to that. We're writing officially back to the Commissioner for
Public Employment in respect to that revised offer, and at
that point in time, the membershi peopill be revised about
where we're going to go and what we're going to
do from here on them.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Was it a bit better?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
It's it's improving, and our relationship obviously. Then as we
go through it's it's getting improved to the point where
I don't believe that the members are going to accept that.
But again we're going to work through that process.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
And so maybe go to a vice.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
And maybe go to a vote, Katie, and that's that's
I think it's important to go to a vote and
it'll be clear either way from our membership, not just
from the Northern Territory Police Association whether they support it
or not.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Okay, So how soon do you reckon that could have happened.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
We're still waiting for some clauses and that to be drafted.
We spoke to him again on Wednesday afternoon, so that
I'm advised this morning that they're working through those requests
that we made and in respect to some of the
information they put in the documentation. Once we receive that,
will be in a position to obviously further advise our
membership and obviously potentially go to a vote if that's
what the NTPA bought executive board nominate to.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, right, Okay, We'll keep a close eye on things.
Do keep us up to date, Finny, and let us
know how those things progress on the PBSOS before I
let you go. Should they be authorized to carry firearms?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Me and dollar question, Catie. Again, I don't have all
the information. I can't really make a comment on that,
depending on how they are trained, the specific of the
training that they are proposed to receive, I haven't received
that information. Until I receive that information, it's pretty hard
to comment on speculation.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Have they given you a bit of detail about when
you might be fully briefed on this? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
As I said before, Katie, I'm hoping to get a
written response back from the police Force by the eleventh
of July.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Eleventh.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
My understanding is there's been a ministery or brief submitted
to government at the request of the Government by the
Northern Territory Police Force. A cabinet submission hasn't been done,
so we don't know what it actually looks like, where
the funding's coming from, whether the funding is going to
be transferred to Northern Churchy Police Force to manage. There's
a lot of things to work through. So I advised
that the cabinet submission is due to Government next week
(08:52):
by the Northern Territory Police Force and at which point
in time I'm assuming that that information we provide it
to us to commence the contentation in respect to the
PPSA program.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Well. Anti Police Association President Nathan Finn always appreciate your time.
Thank you very much for chatting with me this morning.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
It's always your pleasure, Katie. And making sure that our
men and women in blue out there are looking after
themselves and making sure that yeah, we're making sure we've
got their back every day every time they go out there,
and making sure that they're protected both now into the future,
and that's their role to look after them.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Good stuff, Finny, thank you, thanks so much for your time.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Thank you
Now we just spoke, of course, to James O'Brien, the
acting Deputy Commissioner, about this news stream of police the public.
The police public safety officers now joining us in the studio.
He's the president of the Northern Territory Police Association, Nathan Finn.
Good morning, Finny, Good morning, Katy.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
And good morning for listens. And you've already promoted that
the previous assistant commissary he's not the Deputy commission of
But that's right. I'm sure he wasn't going to correct you.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I always like to give people a bit of a promotion.
What should I make yours today?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Happy with anything? At the moment?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
You love your job? You love your job, Finny.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
We're busy, are very passionate about what we do. Absolutely,
my team are very proud to represent our members and
making sure that they're supporting everything.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Absolutely. I know that you are always busy. Now, tell
me was the union consulted about these plans for the
police public safety officers?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
When you say consulted, when you say spoken to. There's
been a couple of conversations, Katie. That's it. There's clearly
been no concept of what's actually being put forward. We
get frustrated when we hear announcements and being announcements being made,
when we're spoken to on the phone and go, this
is what's coming, this is what's going to be announced,
so we better brief you on what's going on. So
(01:20):
there's been verbal discussions, Catie, we haven't seen anything in writing.
This is something that's it's not new, it's a new
concept of policing and most of our jurisdictions interstate have
these types of models that operate through the transit systems
as well. There's a lot of questions that need to
be answered and whether that can be supported or not supported,
it's going to be in the detail, Coatie, and we
(01:41):
don't have that detail at the moment. There's a lot
of things to work through and until we get that detail,
it's hard to obviously have those discussions.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I mean, we did just speak to James O'Brien. He
said that they're going to operate similarly to what the
Palis do. Surely it's a good thing to have more
of them and more people are the front line, you know,
able to help out.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I wouldn't describe the Pali situation as a positive for
the Northern Territory Police Force, Katie. We've seen the PALI
positions there. We're currently got seven out of the seventy
one that operate, so our constalls are being forced to
do this role. And we see this potentially going down
the same track, Katie. What happens when these ppsos aren't
on duty? Is it expected expectation of a constable to
fill that role? Is it going to be placed back
(02:24):
onto police to actually manage that we've seen in the paper,
we've seen in the media going through that this fifty
six positions been identified, that funding is going to come
across the police is what I'm understanding at the moment. Again,
who knows that these fifty six police fifty six officers
at the moment are going to be suitable to transition
into the Police Public Safety Office.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Well, we'd spoken to their CPSU yesterday. They'd sort of
raised a concern that some of them may not want
to either, So that is something that obviously.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Is going to have to be And again, if they
wanted to be police officers, they would apply to be
police officer and they probably be police officers now if
they were suitable and wanted to take down that stream.
So we don't know, But what happens in that same
in the case of let's go fifty six of these
people that have been identified the safety officers come across
and do the training, Who's going to do that role
while they're transitioning to this new rock. What's the expectation
(03:12):
is police going to maintain that visibility over the transit
safety network. Who's going to look after the public housing
safety officers at the time if they all transition. We
don't know. Again, until we see the detail about the
number of people who are suitable, who want to come
over and discussions to go on with that, we don't
know if they're going to be our members, Katie, so
I heard this morning on the radio the police officers
(03:33):
they're going to be carrying full accruitchments. Again, we don't
know that. We haven't seen that, we haven't seen what
the concept is in relation to it. We know our
palis have firearms at the moment. Again, they've got very
limited powers where they can carry them firearms and it
has to be in accordance with their duties. We don't
know what these duties are for the PPM, So.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
All of this needs to be worked through at this
point in time. I mean, James did go through some
of that with us, but it sounds as though it's
quite a bit of negotiation or discussion that needs to happen.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
At this huge legislative changes to take place, Cady. So again,
it's frustrating that the government comes out announces this when
not a lot of the stuff is going to be
worked out, and there's expectations about when it starts adding
extra week's works to police to obviously facilitate this, to
organize this, to go through the legacy changes that need
to be made, the training at our college that's already
(04:19):
at capacity. We've seen a huge number of recruits coming through,
We've got a huge number of training facilities going through,
but we've got no extra room to so I'm not
quite sure how this is going to maintain that.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
So, Finny, is that the message that you are receiving
from your members at the moment.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
They're unsure, Cadie, And again they're quite frustrated that we
haven't got to a pay deal for the police officers
and we're announcing a new stream of police officers they're
going to be placed out in the public. So they're
quite frustrated about it, and they don't have the detail either.
And I don't have the detail either. So when they
ring me and go what's going on this, what's their proposal?
I can't go, Well, I've been briefed, fully, I've had discussions, Catie.
(04:57):
We haven't even started the consultation, the management of consultation,
and they're required to do that under the obviously current
consent agreement. We need to go through that process, Katie,
and see what it.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Looks to play devil's advocate here. I mean, it's surely
it's a good thing to have some if we're able
to have some other officers who are able to deal
with some of that anti social behavior, you know, that
public drinking, that kind of thing that we see around
the place all the time. That, to be really blunt
about it, our Northern Territory police are too bloody busy
(05:26):
to be dealing Katie.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
And that's the real big issue at the moment. Again,
I'm not saying I support I'm not saying I don't
support it. I see the benefits of it as well,
and I see the negatives of it as well. To
our current workforce. We don't know what the impacts are
going to be long term on our current police officers.
These are people that I don't take care of currently,
so that the tsos and the faizos, I don't take
care of them. So industry wise, I haven't got an
(05:48):
agreement to say that this is a stream that I
look after, we look after industrially. There's going to have
to be a new consent agreement negotiated in respect to
them separately. Outside of this one. Again, there's a lot
of things, lots to get through. There's a huge load
of works. So when the government has an announcement about this,
everyone else is playing trying to play catch up now.
(06:09):
And the police have reassured me that they're going to
get a written submission to the Northern Territory Police station
Ation by the eleventh of July. I look forward to
reading that, look forward to starting those consoments.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
So at this point in time, it seems like, you
know that's the biggest issue, is that you actually need
some further detail.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah. Hey, Finny, where are things at with the payoffer,
with the pay negotiations?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, Katie, thank you for asking. It's one of our
biggest things going on at the moment, The biggest thing
for our police officers that that's the number one question
we're being asked at the moment. We had a further
meeting with our consult Consultation Committee Consent Agreement Committee on
Wednesday afternoon. We received a revised offer. Again, we're working
through that revised offer. Now there's a few things in
the documentation that we weren't quite happy with in respect
(06:52):
to that. We're writing officially back to the Commissioner for
Public Employment in respect to that revised offer, and at
that point in time, the membershi peopill be revised about
where we're going to go and what we're going to
do from here on them.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Was it a bit better?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
It's it's improving, and our relationship obviously. Then as we
go through it's it's getting improved to the point where
I don't believe that the members are going to accept that.
But again we're going to work through that process.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
And so maybe go to a vice.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
And maybe go to a vote, Katie, and that's that's
I think it's important to go to a vote and
it'll be clear either way from our membership, not just
from the Northern Territory Police Association whether they support it
or not.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Okay, So how soon do you reckon that could have happened.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
We're still waiting for some clauses and that to be drafted.
We spoke to him again on Wednesday afternoon, so that
I'm advised this morning that they're working through those requests
that we made and in respect to some of the
information they put in the documentation. Once we receive that,
will be in a position to obviously further advise our
membership and obviously potentially go to a vote if that's
what the NTPA bought executive board nominate to.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, right, Okay, We'll keep a close eye on things.
Do keep us up to date, Finny, and let us
know how those things progress on the PBSOS before I
let you go. Should they be authorized to carry firearms?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Me and dollar question, Catie. Again, I don't have all
the information. I can't really make a comment on that,
depending on how they are trained, the specific of the
training that they are proposed to receive, I haven't received
that information. Until I receive that information, it's pretty hard
to comment on speculation.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Have they given you a bit of detail about when
you might be fully briefed on this? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
As I said before, Katie, I'm hoping to get a
written response back from the police Force by the eleventh
of July.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Eleventh.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
My understanding is there's been a ministery or brief submitted
to government at the request of the Government by the
Northern Territory Police Force. A cabinet submission hasn't been done,
so we don't know what it actually looks like, where
the funding's coming from, whether the funding is going to
be transferred to Northern Churchy Police Force to manage. There's
a lot of things to work through. So I advised
that the cabinet submission is due to Government next week
(08:52):
by the Northern Territory Police Force and at which point
in time I'm assuming that that information we provide it
to us to commence the contentation in respect to the
PPSA program.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Well. Anti Police Association President Nathan Finn always appreciate your time.
Thank you very much for chatting with me this morning.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
It's always your pleasure, Katie. And making sure that our
men and women in blue out there are looking after
themselves and making sure that yeah, we're making sure we've
got their back every day every time they go out there,
and making sure that they're protected both now into the future,
and that's their role to look after them.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Good stuff, Finny, thank you, thanks so much for your time.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Thank you
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