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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Shocking vision out of Alice Springs overnight. It's nothing short
of horrific. Hundreds of people were involved in wild fighting.
Cars destroyed, people tried to break their way into the
Todd Tavern. Dozens were going through town reportedly with crow bars.
People were in the city, they were armed and they
(00:20):
were out of control. Rocks and bricks are seen hurled
at windows at the Todd Tavern. It is a town
in crisis.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Joining me on the line right now is Jacinta Namba
Jimpa Price, the Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians and Senator
for the Northern Territory. Good morning to you, Senator. Good
morning Katie, Senator. I know you're in Canberra at the
moment as the Senate is sitting, but last night in
Alice Springs it was nothing short of chaotic. What are
(00:51):
local saying to you this morning?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Locals are absolutely beside themselves. I mean, this is an
escalation of violin and writing that we have never well
we've never seen in these numbers before and this behavior
and it's just hit absolute crisis points. You know, there
are long term residents now who are saying, look, I'm
just don't I don't want to be here in this
(01:16):
community anymore. We've already seen businesses shutting, locals driven away
from the crime already. But the ineffectiveness of this government
has now led to this crisis point and there needs
to be a serious intervention. And so many people are
(01:36):
calling for calling for this, you know, whether it's riot squants,
whether it's the ads. Peace needs to be restored to
the streets of our springs for the benefit of our
good citizens.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Senator, Are the people that are that are roaming through
the town with weapons, reportedly crowbars, throwing rocks? Are they locals?
Are they from communities nearby? Why are they there?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Look, so my intel tells me that this is an
escalation of violence, that there's cultural payback involved, that the
recent deaths that have occurred on our streets have ensured
that this escalation of violence is taking place. I've heard
that some of these who are right in our streets
(02:25):
have come from other communities. Which communities I'm not sure yet,
but at the moment, you know, none of this is confirmed.
But this is what I'm hearing on the ground with
the community. But look, this is what happens if this
kind of crime and behavior and conduct and use of
weapons has been allowed to occur on our streets with
(02:48):
very little consequence. Well, now we're seeing what it means
when this government has given the signal that it's okay
to behave this way on our streets. Because they are
absolutely useless at dealing with this issue and they need
to call for help because they are out of their depths.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Now, Jacenter, you stood up in Parliament earlier this week
and said the Northern Territory government needs to step up.
But has this gone way too far?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Now?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I mean it seems to me, and I've heard the
Mayor Matt Patterson earlier this morning. He's going to join
us in a couple of minutes. He's saying the FEDS
need to step in, and they need to step in now.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Look, it's the Northern Territory government needs to ask for
support from the FEDS. That's when something will happen on
a federal level. They have to admit that they are
incapable of dealing with this current situation and they need
support on the ground. You know, it is absolutely horrific
the violence that took place at the sixteen year old.
(03:51):
I stood in Parliament and I made it very bloody
clear that anyone who wants to participate in traditional cultural
payback needs to be condemned. We cannot accept this violence.
I don't care whether it's you know, it's accepted in
traditional forms or it's used it as excuse to carry on.
(04:11):
It is unacceptable and all community members, indigenous non indigenous
leaders of all colors and stripes need to stand up
and condemn this behavior and call on this territory government
to do something immediate about these circumstances.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
To Centerprice, I want to read the statement out to
you that the Chief Minister's office has sent through to
us this morning. Eva Laula says, the scenes in Alice
Springs yesterday were horrific, unacceptable and we never want to
see anything like that again in the territory. I'm fed
up with this appalling level of crime and anti social behavior.
The community has had enough, and so have I. The
(04:51):
Chief Minister says police have apprehended the people who are involved.
They did an excellent job in difficult circumstances. She goes
on to say the Commissioner and the Territory Safety Division
are in Alice Springs now and the TSD will remain
in Alice Springs for the foreseeable future. She goes on
to say, I know police need more support, and that's
(05:12):
why I'm working on a comprehensive plan to boost resources
to police and lower crime.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Is that enough? It's too little, too bloody late. And yes,
don't think of this situation as the end of what's
going on. You know, we're putting a bill through parliament
that will make it a crime to actually post on
social media crimes that are being committed, which we know
(05:42):
have been happening and occurring, and that young people, youth
criminals have been posting. We're doing our but where we can,
but no more needs to be done by this government. No,
it's not good enough. You can't say one day, as
she did the other day, that oh, the crime situation
isn't that bad, ignore it for it to skyrocket within
(06:03):
you know, within a moment, it's just not good enough.
These measures should have been put in place a long
time ago, and not where it's escalated to absolute crisis point.
They need to call on the federal government to support
even further. Pime minutester Albanesi. He needs to pull his
finger out. You know the laugh I heard when he
(06:24):
went to up to Catherine to Binjari community. He did
a he did a media conference with the backdrop ignored
the community altogether. They're up in arms about that. But
again he continues to ignore what's going on in central Australia.
He can't do it anymore or Australian citizens of all
colors and backgrounds. And we need the support of our
Prime Minister in these circumstances because the Chief Ministry of
(06:45):
the Northern Territory has failed.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Senator, I know you are pressed for time, but what
does the Prime Minister of Australia need to do today
to sort this issue out or to at least help
to sort this issue out in our.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Well. He needs to pour more resources in immediately. I mean,
I think the good people of Alice Springs need to
feel like they're safe, like they can go out on
the community into their community, do their shopping, take their
kids to school, pick their kids up from school and
know that they are safe. So if that means a
presence of our ads on the ground, just to show
(07:24):
that this government actually cares that people's safety and concerns
are being taken seriously, that I think a visual presence
is absolutely what's needed. As I said, don't think that
it'll just calm down from now, because if it's payback circumstances,
it'll be tick for tat for a long time to
come and that needs to be taken into did consideration.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Do you think that there could be more violence to
come today, tomorrow, in the coming weeks.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Absolutely, Look, absolutely, you know this is the sort of
thing that takes place out in communities. We are seeing
what has taken place in communities where these circumstances have
not been sorted out. In communities, it's now filling into
Alice Springs, and Alice Springs is now being treated like
a larger remote community basically where people think that they
(08:18):
can just go about acting out violently creating what they
think is justifiable payback, and it is not. It is
not acceptable on any level whatsoever. And this is what
I've been trying to say, you know, the arguments that
we've got to respect traditional culture and we've got to
(08:39):
work with communities. No, it's one law, one law for
all of us. We're all Australian citizens and we should
all be governed to the same expectations right across the
board under the same law.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Just center now, PA jimber Price. We had actually gotten
you on to speak about the boasting and posting changes
that the federal opposition is proposed. We're going to have
to talk to you about that another day because the
issues in Alice Springs have totally overcome everything else that
we're planning on talking about this morning. I really appreciate
you taking the time to chat with us, and we
will talk to you again very soon.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Thank you very much, Katie, thank you
Shocking vision out of Alice Springs overnight. It's nothing short
of horrific. Hundreds of people were involved in wild fighting.
Cars destroyed, people tried to break their way into the
Todd Tavern. Dozens were going through town reportedly with crow bars.
People were in the city, they were armed and they
(00:20):
were out of control. Rocks and bricks are seen hurled
at windows at the Todd Tavern. It is a town
in crisis.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Joining me on the line right now is Jacinta Namba
Jimpa Price, the Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians and Senator
for the Northern Territory. Good morning to you, Senator. Good
morning Katie, Senator. I know you're in Canberra at the
moment as the Senate is sitting, but last night in
Alice Springs it was nothing short of chaotic. What are
(00:51):
local saying to you this morning?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Locals are absolutely beside themselves. I mean, this is an
escalation of violin and writing that we have never well
we've never seen in these numbers before and this behavior
and it's just hit absolute crisis points. You know, there
are long term residents now who are saying, look, I'm
just don't I don't want to be here in this
(01:16):
community anymore. We've already seen businesses shutting, locals driven away
from the crime already. But the ineffectiveness of this government
has now led to this crisis point and there needs
to be a serious intervention. And so many people are
(01:36):
calling for calling for this, you know, whether it's riot squants,
whether it's the ads. Peace needs to be restored to
the streets of our springs for the benefit of our
good citizens.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Senator, Are the people that are that are roaming through
the town with weapons, reportedly crowbars, throwing rocks? Are they locals?
Are they from communities nearby? Why are they there?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Look, so my intel tells me that this is an
escalation of violence, that there's cultural payback involved, that the
recent deaths that have occurred on our streets have ensured
that this escalation of violence is taking place. I've heard
that some of these who are right in our streets
(02:25):
have come from other communities. Which communities I'm not sure yet,
but at the moment, you know, none of this is confirmed.
But this is what I'm hearing on the ground with
the community. But look, this is what happens if this
kind of crime and behavior and conduct and use of
weapons has been allowed to occur on our streets with
(02:48):
very little consequence. Well, now we're seeing what it means
when this government has given the signal that it's okay
to behave this way on our streets. Because they are
absolutely useless at dealing with this issue and they need
to call for help because they are out of their depths.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Now, Jacenter, you stood up in Parliament earlier this week
and said the Northern Territory government needs to step up.
But has this gone way too far?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Now?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I mean it seems to me, and I've heard the
Mayor Matt Patterson earlier this morning. He's going to join
us in a couple of minutes. He's saying the FEDS
need to step in, and they need to step in now.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Look, it's the Northern Territory government needs to ask for
support from the FEDS. That's when something will happen on
a federal level. They have to admit that they are
incapable of dealing with this current situation and they need
support on the ground. You know, it is absolutely horrific
the violence that took place at the sixteen year old.
(03:51):
I stood in Parliament and I made it very bloody
clear that anyone who wants to participate in traditional cultural
payback needs to be condemned. We cannot accept this violence.
I don't care whether it's you know, it's accepted in
traditional forms or it's used it as excuse to carry on.
(04:11):
It is unacceptable and all community members, indigenous non indigenous
leaders of all colors and stripes need to stand up
and condemn this behavior and call on this territory government
to do something immediate about these circumstances.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
To Centerprice, I want to read the statement out to
you that the Chief Minister's office has sent through to
us this morning. Eva Laula says, the scenes in Alice
Springs yesterday were horrific, unacceptable and we never want to
see anything like that again in the territory. I'm fed
up with this appalling level of crime and anti social behavior.
The community has had enough, and so have I. The
(04:51):
Chief Minister says police have apprehended the people who are involved.
They did an excellent job in difficult circumstances. She goes
on to say the Commissioner and the Territory Safety Division
are in Alice Springs now and the TSD will remain
in Alice Springs for the foreseeable future. She goes on
to say, I know police need more support, and that's
(05:12):
why I'm working on a comprehensive plan to boost resources
to police and lower crime.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Is that enough? It's too little, too bloody late. And yes,
don't think of this situation as the end of what's
going on. You know, we're putting a bill through parliament
that will make it a crime to actually post on
social media crimes that are being committed, which we know
(05:42):
have been happening and occurring, and that young people, youth
criminals have been posting. We're doing our but where we can,
but no more needs to be done by this government. No,
it's not good enough. You can't say one day, as
she did the other day, that oh, the crime situation
isn't that bad, ignore it for it to skyrocket within
(06:03):
you know, within a moment, it's just not good enough.
These measures should have been put in place a long
time ago, and not where it's escalated to absolute crisis point.
They need to call on the federal government to support
even further. Pime minutester Albanesi. He needs to pull his
finger out. You know the laugh I heard when he
(06:24):
went to up to Catherine to Binjari community. He did
a he did a media conference with the backdrop ignored
the community altogether. They're up in arms about that. But
again he continues to ignore what's going on in central Australia.
He can't do it anymore or Australian citizens of all
colors and backgrounds. And we need the support of our
Prime Minister in these circumstances because the Chief Ministry of
(06:45):
the Northern Territory has failed.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Senator, I know you are pressed for time, but what
does the Prime Minister of Australia need to do today
to sort this issue out or to at least help
to sort this issue out in our.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Well. He needs to pour more resources in immediately. I mean,
I think the good people of Alice Springs need to
feel like they're safe, like they can go out on
the community into their community, do their shopping, take their
kids to school, pick their kids up from school and
know that they are safe. So if that means a
presence of our ads on the ground, just to show
(07:24):
that this government actually cares that people's safety and concerns
are being taken seriously, that I think a visual presence
is absolutely what's needed. As I said, don't think that
it'll just calm down from now, because if it's payback circumstances,
it'll be tick for tat for a long time to
come and that needs to be taken into did consideration.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Do you think that there could be more violence to
come today, tomorrow, in the coming weeks.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Absolutely, Look, absolutely, you know this is the sort of
thing that takes place out in communities. We are seeing
what has taken place in communities where these circumstances have
not been sorted out. In communities, it's now filling into
Alice Springs, and Alice Springs is now being treated like
a larger remote community basically where people think that they
(08:18):
can just go about acting out violently creating what they
think is justifiable payback, and it is not. It is
not acceptable on any level whatsoever. And this is what
I've been trying to say, you know, the arguments that
we've got to respect traditional culture and we've got to
(08:39):
work with communities. No, it's one law, one law for
all of us. We're all Australian citizens and we should
all be governed to the same expectations right across the
board under the same law.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Just center now, PA jimber Price. We had actually gotten
you on to speak about the boasting and posting changes
that the federal opposition is proposed. We're going to have
to talk to you about that another day because the
issues in Alice Springs have totally overcome everything else that
we're planning on talking about this morning. I really appreciate
you taking the time to chat with us, and we
will talk to you again very soon.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Thank you very much, Katie, thank you
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