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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now, there's always plenty to discuss in here, and yesterday
we heard from the Housing Minister about the government unveiling
its public housing reforms to tackle crime and anti social behavior,
with rent areas currently sitting at thirty nine million dollars now.
The reforms include fast tracking pathways to eviction, a review
of visitor management and the red card policy, as well
(00:23):
as giving greater powers to public housing safety offices. The
Minister for Housing, Steve Edgington, had said that a major
overhaul is needed to ensure that problem tenants face consequences
and that the government would be looking to claw back
the thirty nine million dollars. Now. I was just having
a look as well at the public housing wait times,
(00:44):
I mean eight to ten years in many cases for
some of these public housing properties. Now joining me in
the studio to talk more about this is MT Shelters
CEO Annie Taylor. Good morning to you.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Annie, Thank good morning, Thanks for having me, lovely.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
To have you in this studio. Thank you for your time. Now, Annie,
what was your reaction to the reforms that were announced
by the Housing Minister.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
We'll look a situation where a tenant has significant levels
of debt to the department. It's not good for the department,
but it's not good for the tenant or the family
at the core of this either, and many of those
tenants would be dealing with some quiet complex issues here.
And public housing tenants, like any of us, don't want
to live in a neighborhood that isn't thriving. We all
(01:30):
want to live in a thriving community. So I think
rather than taking a punitive response, the immediate response should
be ensuring that everyone is connected up to a tendancy
support program and making sure we have some early intervention
as well when it comes to tenancy support programs.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
So in terms of you know, paying your rent, is
it something like I was sort of surprised that, And look,
maybe I've got the wrong view, but I was kind
of surprised that in some instances it's maybe not set
up to align with either you know, to come out
like a out of you know, a direct debit or
like a sin to link payment or to come out
(02:07):
so that it happens and then you're not sort of
worrying about it after the fact.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, look, I think it can be. And again, it
kind of depends on how it's set up. But it's
more of that big picture thinking around budgeting and financial counseling,
which is so important for people. You know. I think
for me, you know, I wake up in the morning.
I don't have too much to think about in my life.
It's just getting myself to work. But when you've got
someone who might have a big family, they've also got
visitors who are at the property, there's maybe some complexities
(02:34):
there around different areas of life, maybe domestic family violence.
You've got so much going on that I think remembering
to pay rent on time, or making sure that you're
budgeting adequately to leave money for rent can be a
really challenging thing. Some people we hear from our stakeholders,
particularly in the remote space, Aboriginal housing and Tea our
fellow peaks as some people are not even aware that
(02:55):
they have significant levels of rental debt, which is quite shocking.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, like again, I'm surprised that people aren't aware of that.
Are their notices sent out? Does the department notify people
when they are like to pay?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, I believe so. But again it's complexities with human movement,
people moving around. You know, you've got people who speak
multiple languages, so there might be some issues with understanding that,
so I think there's probably multiple factors at play there,
But again, it's really about those referrals to tenancy support
programs early in the piece, rather than letting these tenants
(03:31):
get into a situation where they do have significant kind
of demerit points against them all significant levels of rental arrears.
And the thing is, we haven't been historically funded sufficiently
in the NT to have tenancy support programs that are
funded adequately. And the good news is that we do
have homelessness funding which is coming online in the NT
(03:53):
and should be hitting the ground quite soon in Dune
this year, which will mean that we can adequately fund
those programs. But it's important that those referrals are made
early rather than at the crisis point when it's kind
of too late.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
And Annie, I know that you and I have spoken
before about this well quite some time ago with your
predeceasor as will Peter McMillan, about some of that federal
funding that's going to hit the ground. I mean, has
it hit the ground yet or is that the funding
that you're referring to.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, so this was federal government investment that the Northern
Territory government is matching dollar for dollar that was announced
in last year's federal budget. So it was about May
where we came in and we had a chat with you,
and it was a very exciting day because we went
from getting one point three percent of federal funding in
homelessness despite having twelve times the national rate of homelessness,
so we were severely disadvantaged here in the NT and
(04:41):
we got a sevenfold increase, so huge increase there. So
that money is under commissioning at the moment, so we
should be hearing very shortly in terms of how that's
going to be spent. But I'm sure some of that
is going to be on expanding tendency support programs because
that's that prevention piece. It's keeping people in housing, because
what we're doing, if we're evicting people into homelessness, it's
(05:02):
kind of just shifting the problem.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Well, that's going to be my next question. What do
you think could happen? I mean, if we are in
a situation where people are sort of moved out, do
you think it's going to create a greater issue with homelessness?
Are they're going to wind up on the street, what's
going to happen? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Absolutely, I think it depends where we're looking at. I mean,
in the remote space, you're probably just going to see
increased levels of overcrowdings because people will just shift from
one property to the next. If you're talking about the
urban centers, you'll probably see that, but you'll also see
increased levels of rough sleeping. That's what I think is
very likely. And the interesting thing is we talk about
(05:38):
huge amounts of homelessness and the NTY A lot of
that is severe overcrowding. But even if you remove that
from the stats, we still have nine times the national
rate of rough sleeping here in the Northern Territory, so
it's really significant. So it's just kind of shifting the
problem to the streets, which isn't a solution. So evicting
people should really be the last resort. But at the
(06:00):
same time, if someone doesn't have capacity to manage their tendency,
the alternative shouldn't be homelessness, it should be really supporting
those people. Talking to the sector, what can the sector
do to step in and really wrap around services to
support people. Early on in the piece, and we get.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
A lot of messages and calls to this show about
problem public housing tenants. You know, people contacting us about
fights on the street, large gatherings, music all hours, damage
to properties. It does seem as though something needs to
be done to try to really sort some of these
issues out, because it can be an absolute nightmare, even
(06:37):
for other public housing tenants that are living next door.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Absolutely, And I think that's such a good point because,
like I said before, you know, public housing tenants want
to live in thriving communities as well. No one wants
to live next to a house that you know has
has complexities that are impacting on you and can't be solved.
You know, I wouldn't want to be in that situation either.
So I completely understand where listeners are coming from, and
so I I think it is about finding those solutions.
(07:01):
It's about building more housing as well so that we
don't have those issues with overcrowding, with visitor management, it's
about thinking innovatively when it comes to these new funds,
what can we do to make sure that we are
managing visitors in an innovative way, you know, maybe dealing
with the visitor management issues rather than taking a punitive
(07:22):
response to the tenant at the midst of this, who
might kind of be a victim in this situation. It's
also about looking at alternative models of social housing, like
community housing, which you know is growing here in the
Northern Territory, and you know across Australia we've got community
housing providers who manage twenty five percent of social housing
stock and they're really close to the community. They take
(07:43):
a mission based lens to social housing and they're really
successful when it comes to tendency management.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
And look, you know, I think there is absolutely a
need for more public housing. I do think that there's
you know, like from what I'm hearing on the show,
people really want to see this bad behavior stamped out.
And you know, from what you've spoken about there there
are different ways that that can happen. But also I
mean I'm looking at the public housing weight times. I
mentioned this a little earlier on the show. For a
(08:12):
one bedroom unit, let's say in Darwin, Casarina eight to
ten years, and then if you're on the priority weight
list six to eight years, like we're talking people who
you know, it may be pensioners, it could be people
with a disability who you know, who need a home.
It could be a single mum fleeing domestic violence with children,
(08:34):
who needs you know, who needs a place eight to
ten years. Like when I first looked at that, I
was like, it's that years months, what kind of you know,
what are we talking here? And then yeah, years, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
It's going up. We've got more people on that weight list.
I think there's about five thousand applicants as of yesterday,
it was the last time I checked, So five thousand
applicants across priority, across the across the general weight list,
across the ANT. So it's really really significant, and independent
modeling shows that we need close to fourteen and a
half thousand social and affordable homes by twenty thirty six
(09:10):
in the Northern Territory to really encompass population growth but
also deal with that wait list. So you know, we
really want to bring that down. And you're right, you
know there are families behind those numbers, and like you said,
those people could be pensioners. We know that we're seeing
the statistics of people over the age of fifty five
in homelessness increasing in the NT by a huge amount.
(09:32):
We've also got I think the young end of the
spectrum is really an important one to consider because fifty
percent of THENT homeless population is under the age of
twenty five. So what alternative models can we look at
that maybe aren't public housing that we can consider that
actually direct people away from the public housing system and
(09:53):
from a life of being in public house exactly. And
there are models specifically in the youth space, like the
Youth for Your model, which is a bricks and mortar
response where young people go and they live in a
Youth for You for two years and they're you know,
such positive outcomes. You've got over eighty percent exiting into
work and into stable housing and seventy two percent of
(10:15):
those exiting into private housing.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
That's what you want, Like, they're the kind of success
stories you want. I mean, even this morning on the
week that was we had Josh Bergoyn and he was
talking about somebody in his electrod who'd reached you know,
who'd gone from being in public housing to purchasing that
public housing. Like that's the kind of thing that I
reckon is really aspirational that you do. I'd love to
see more of that happening in the Northern Territory if it's.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Possible, absolutely, And I think that's where our conversations need
to be headed. I think we're definitely always going to
need social and affordable housing because there are populations that
will need that and that's really important. And those numbers
show that we just need to bring more online. That's
that's not a point to argue in my mind. But
at the same time, yeah, we do need to look
at that housing continuum, make sure that there are options
(11:01):
for home ownership, particularly for Aboriginal people, and also really
focus i think on prevention of homelessness and that redirection
away from the service system.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Do we have many situations in remote communities where we
do have families that have been able to go from
you know, that social housing model or the public housing model,
to being able to purchase their own homes. Is that
an option for people in remote communities?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Look, I'm not too sure. Aboriginal Housing and Tea you know,
are probably the ones to ask about that. I know
that there has historically been an option for public housing
tenants to purchase a public housing property at a bit
of a discounted rate. So I'm not sure if that's
still actively promoted through the department, but it has certainly
been an option previously, and you see that work in
other jurisdictions as well. I know you know personally, that's
(11:50):
what my granddad did back in Queensland back in the day,
so you know that should be an option for people. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Absolutely, Or I mean even when I like where I
lived in Queensland, we bought an ex public house home
that you know, like so these sort of options and
we were like our family were you know, like it
was my sister in lawa and we were young. You know,
she was a baby, she's in her early twenties, and
it was much cheaper probably than what you're going to
find if you went into another you know, another area
(12:15):
and it maybe wasn't the best socioeconomic suburb, but it
was a fantastic option for her and for you know,
my brother and her and I to all live in
it was a fantastic thing.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Absolutely, I think that needs to be a viable option.
I think we also need to make sure that we're
replacing them at the other side of the market. You know,
if we are taking social and affordable homes off the
off the market and we're putting them in the private space,
then we need to make sure we're also building me yes,
so that those wait lists can decrease.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, absolutely, And that is something that I guess over
the years we've maybe not seen happen as much as
what needs to happen is as some of those really
big complexes we've you know, we've you know, we've sort
of realized that they're maybe not the best option in
terms of everybody living in a massive complex. Replenishing and
replacing that stock then needs to happen.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Right absolutely, And we can look at mixed tenure developments,
which is you know, you might have a portion which
is social housing, some that's affordable and some that's private.
And I think that's really important for that community cohesion
and that works all over Australia. We've got some in
Darwin which we don't.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, well, it's lovely to speak to you this morning, Annie.
I really appreciate your time and sort of giving us
a bit of perspective in this space. Thank you, Thank you,
Now, there's always plenty to discuss in here, and yesterday
we heard from the Housing Minister about the government unveiling
its public housing reforms to tackle crime and anti social behavior,
with rent areas currently sitting at thirty nine million dollars now.
The reforms include fast tracking pathways to eviction, a review
of visitor management and the red card policy, as well
(00:23):
as giving greater powers to public housing safety offices. The
Minister for Housing, Steve Edgington, had said that a major
overhaul is needed to ensure that problem tenants face consequences
and that the government would be looking to claw back
the thirty nine million dollars. Now. I was just having
a look as well at the public housing wait times,
(00:44):
I mean eight to ten years in many cases for
some of these public housing properties. Now joining me in
the studio to talk more about this is MT Shelters
CEO Annie Taylor. Good morning to you.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Annie, Thank good morning, Thanks for having me, lovely.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
To have you in this studio. Thank you for your time. Now, Annie,
what was your reaction to the reforms that were announced
by the Housing Minister.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
We'll look a situation where a tenant has significant levels
of debt to the department. It's not good for the department,
but it's not good for the tenant or the family
at the core of this either, and many of those
tenants would be dealing with some quiet complex issues here.
And public housing tenants, like any of us, don't want
to live in a neighborhood that isn't thriving. We all
(01:30):
want to live in a thriving community. So I think
rather than taking a punitive response, the immediate response should
be ensuring that everyone is connected up to a tendancy
support program and making sure we have some early intervention
as well when it comes to tenancy support programs.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
So in terms of you know, paying your rent, is
it something like I was sort of surprised that, And look,
maybe I've got the wrong view, but I was kind
of surprised that in some instances it's maybe not set
up to align with either you know, to come out
like a out of you know, a direct debit or
like a sin to link payment or to come out
(02:07):
so that it happens and then you're not sort of
worrying about it after the fact.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, look, I think it can be. And again, it
kind of depends on how it's set up. But it's
more of that big picture thinking around budgeting and financial counseling,
which is so important for people. You know. I think
for me, you know, I wake up in the morning.
I don't have too much to think about in my life.
It's just getting myself to work. But when you've got
someone who might have a big family, they've also got
visitors who are at the property, there's maybe some complexities
(02:34):
there around different areas of life, maybe domestic family violence.
You've got so much going on that I think remembering
to pay rent on time, or making sure that you're
budgeting adequately to leave money for rent can be a
really challenging thing. Some people we hear from our stakeholders,
particularly in the remote space, Aboriginal housing and Tea our
fellow peaks as some people are not even aware that
(02:55):
they have significant levels of rental debt, which is quite shocking.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, like again, I'm surprised that people aren't aware of that.
Are their notices sent out? Does the department notify people
when they are like to pay?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, I believe so. But again it's complexities with human movement,
people moving around. You know, you've got people who speak
multiple languages, so there might be some issues with understanding that,
so I think there's probably multiple factors at play there,
But again, it's really about those referrals to tenancy support
programs early in the piece, rather than letting these tenants
(03:31):
get into a situation where they do have significant kind
of demerit points against them all significant levels of rental arrears.
And the thing is, we haven't been historically funded sufficiently
in the NT to have tenancy support programs that are
funded adequately. And the good news is that we do
have homelessness funding which is coming online in the NT
(03:53):
and should be hitting the ground quite soon in Dune
this year, which will mean that we can adequately fund
those programs. But it's important that those referrals are made
early rather than at the crisis point when it's kind
of too late.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
And Annie, I know that you and I have spoken
before about this well quite some time ago with your
predeceasor as will Peter McMillan, about some of that federal
funding that's going to hit the ground. I mean, has
it hit the ground yet or is that the funding
that you're referring to.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, so this was federal government investment that the Northern
Territory government is matching dollar for dollar that was announced
in last year's federal budget. So it was about May
where we came in and we had a chat with you,
and it was a very exciting day because we went
from getting one point three percent of federal funding in
homelessness despite having twelve times the national rate of homelessness,
so we were severely disadvantaged here in the NT and
(04:41):
we got a sevenfold increase, so huge increase there. So
that money is under commissioning at the moment, so we
should be hearing very shortly in terms of how that's
going to be spent. But I'm sure some of that
is going to be on expanding tendency support programs because
that's that prevention piece. It's keeping people in housing, because
what we're doing, if we're evicting people into homelessness, it's
(05:02):
kind of just shifting the problem.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Well, that's going to be my next question. What do
you think could happen? I mean, if we are in
a situation where people are sort of moved out, do
you think it's going to create a greater issue with homelessness?
Are they're going to wind up on the street, what's
going to happen? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Absolutely, I think it depends where we're looking at. I mean,
in the remote space, you're probably just going to see
increased levels of overcrowdings because people will just shift from
one property to the next. If you're talking about the
urban centers, you'll probably see that, but you'll also see
increased levels of rough sleeping. That's what I think is
very likely. And the interesting thing is we talk about
(05:38):
huge amounts of homelessness and the NTY A lot of
that is severe overcrowding. But even if you remove that
from the stats, we still have nine times the national
rate of rough sleeping here in the Northern Territory, so
it's really significant. So it's just kind of shifting the
problem to the streets, which isn't a solution. So evicting
people should really be the last resort. But at the
(06:00):
same time, if someone doesn't have capacity to manage their tendency,
the alternative shouldn't be homelessness, it should be really supporting
those people. Talking to the sector, what can the sector
do to step in and really wrap around services to
support people. Early on in the piece, and we get.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
A lot of messages and calls to this show about
problem public housing tenants. You know, people contacting us about
fights on the street, large gatherings, music all hours, damage
to properties. It does seem as though something needs to
be done to try to really sort some of these
issues out, because it can be an absolute nightmare, even
(06:37):
for other public housing tenants that are living next door.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Absolutely, And I think that's such a good point because,
like I said before, you know, public housing tenants want
to live in thriving communities as well. No one wants
to live next to a house that you know has
has complexities that are impacting on you and can't be solved.
You know, I wouldn't want to be in that situation either.
So I completely understand where listeners are coming from, and
so I I think it is about finding those solutions.
(07:01):
It's about building more housing as well so that we
don't have those issues with overcrowding, with visitor management, it's
about thinking innovatively when it comes to these new funds,
what can we do to make sure that we are
managing visitors in an innovative way, you know, maybe dealing
with the visitor management issues rather than taking a punitive
(07:22):
response to the tenant at the midst of this, who
might kind of be a victim in this situation. It's
also about looking at alternative models of social housing, like
community housing, which you know is growing here in the
Northern Territory, and you know across Australia we've got community
housing providers who manage twenty five percent of social housing
stock and they're really close to the community. They take
(07:43):
a mission based lens to social housing and they're really
successful when it comes to tendency management.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
And look, you know, I think there is absolutely a
need for more public housing. I do think that there's
you know, like from what I'm hearing on the show,
people really want to see this bad behavior stamped out.
And you know, from what you've spoken about there there
are different ways that that can happen. But also I
mean I'm looking at the public housing weight times. I
mentioned this a little earlier on the show. For a
(08:12):
one bedroom unit, let's say in Darwin, Casarina eight to
ten years, and then if you're on the priority weight
list six to eight years, like we're talking people who
you know, it may be pensioners, it could be people
with a disability who you know, who need a home.
It could be a single mum fleeing domestic violence with children,
(08:34):
who needs you know, who needs a place eight to
ten years. Like when I first looked at that, I
was like, it's that years months, what kind of you know,
what are we talking here? And then yeah, years, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
It's going up. We've got more people on that weight list.
I think there's about five thousand applicants as of yesterday,
it was the last time I checked, So five thousand
applicants across priority, across the across the general weight list,
across the ANT. So it's really really significant, and independent
modeling shows that we need close to fourteen and a
half thousand social and affordable homes by twenty thirty six
(09:10):
in the Northern Territory to really encompass population growth but
also deal with that wait list. So you know, we
really want to bring that down. And you're right, you
know there are families behind those numbers, and like you said,
those people could be pensioners. We know that we're seeing
the statistics of people over the age of fifty five
in homelessness increasing in the NT by a huge amount.
(09:32):
We've also got I think the young end of the
spectrum is really an important one to consider because fifty
percent of THENT homeless population is under the age of
twenty five. So what alternative models can we look at
that maybe aren't public housing that we can consider that
actually direct people away from the public housing system and
(09:53):
from a life of being in public house exactly. And
there are models specifically in the youth space, like the
Youth for Your model, which is a bricks and mortar
response where young people go and they live in a
Youth for You for two years and they're you know,
such positive outcomes. You've got over eighty percent exiting into
work and into stable housing and seventy two percent of
(10:15):
those exiting into private housing.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
That's what you want, Like, they're the kind of success
stories you want. I mean, even this morning on the
week that was we had Josh Bergoyn and he was
talking about somebody in his electrod who'd reached you know,
who'd gone from being in public housing to purchasing that
public housing. Like that's the kind of thing that I
reckon is really aspirational that you do. I'd love to
see more of that happening in the Northern Territory if it's.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Possible, absolutely, And I think that's where our conversations need
to be headed. I think we're definitely always going to
need social and affordable housing because there are populations that
will need that and that's really important. And those numbers
show that we just need to bring more online. That's
that's not a point to argue in my mind. But
at the same time, yeah, we do need to look
at that housing continuum, make sure that there are options
(11:01):
for home ownership, particularly for Aboriginal people, and also really
focus i think on prevention of homelessness and that redirection
away from the service system.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Do we have many situations in remote communities where we
do have families that have been able to go from
you know, that social housing model or the public housing model,
to being able to purchase their own homes. Is that
an option for people in remote communities?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Look, I'm not too sure. Aboriginal Housing and Tea you know,
are probably the ones to ask about that. I know
that there has historically been an option for public housing
tenants to purchase a public housing property at a bit
of a discounted rate. So I'm not sure if that's
still actively promoted through the department, but it has certainly
been an option previously, and you see that work in
other jurisdictions as well. I know you know personally, that's
(11:50):
what my granddad did back in Queensland back in the day,
so you know that should be an option for people. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Absolutely, Or I mean even when I like where I
lived in Queensland, we bought an ex public house home
that you know, like so these sort of options and
we were like our family were you know, like it
was my sister in lawa and we were young. You know,
she was a baby, she's in her early twenties, and
it was much cheaper probably than what you're going to
find if you went into another you know, another area
(12:15):
and it maybe wasn't the best socioeconomic suburb, but it
was a fantastic option for her and for you know,
my brother and her and I to all live in
it was a fantastic thing.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Absolutely, I think that needs to be a viable option.
I think we also need to make sure that we're
replacing them at the other side of the market. You know,
if we are taking social and affordable homes off the
off the market and we're putting them in the private space,
then we need to make sure we're also building me yes,
so that those wait lists can decrease.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, absolutely, And that is something that I guess over
the years we've maybe not seen happen as much as
what needs to happen is as some of those really
big complexes we've you know, we've you know, we've sort
of realized that they're maybe not the best option in
terms of everybody living in a massive complex. Replenishing and
replacing that stock then needs to happen.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Right absolutely, And we can look at mixed tenure developments,
which is you know, you might have a portion which
is social housing, some that's affordable and some that's private.
And I think that's really important for that community cohesion
and that works all over Australia. We've got some in
Darwin which we don't.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, well, it's lovely to speak to you this morning, Annie.
I really appreciate your time and sort of giving us
a bit of perspective in this space. Thank you, Thank you,
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