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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Joining me live in the studio as she does most
Tuesday mornings. It is the opposition leader Leofanocchiaro. Good morning
to you.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Leaving Katie and you're wonderful Listenersnalia.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
We have just finished that interview with the Federal Treasurer
Jim Chalmers. It doesn't sound as though he's going to
be moving things towards a needs based funding model when
it comes to domestic violence. What do you make of that?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I think the treasurer is visit this week really is
just another example of the federal government having to tell
Natasha Files and labor how to do their job. He
should be arriving with two hundred and fifty million dollars
which the Prime Minister promised to Alice Springs six months ago, Katie,
So to come up empty handed with money that we're
entitled to is a huge disappointment and it shows that
(00:43):
Natasha Files isn't out there fighting for the territory and
we continue to go backwards.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Lea, do you think that we do need to move
to needs based funding when it comes to domestic violence?
I mean, even right now, we know that the coronial
inquest into the deaths of four women is currently underway
in the nor Than territory, some absolutely tragic detail emerging
from that. But do you think we do need to
move to needs based funding? It is it's obvious that
(01:08):
we've got a really serious issue with domestic violence.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well, needs based funding is something the territory champions irrespective
of political stripes, Kadie, and it's an issue not just
in that domestic violence space, but of course in education
as well and other areas. But this is something that
the territory government really need to be focused on. They've
got their labor mates in Canberra now and so you know,
(01:32):
are they able to actually leverage that relationship or not
I think is the major question. And they've failed at
the first hurdle, which is coming in and promising Alice
brings two hundred and fifty million dollars and coming up
with zero dollars of that, you know, six months later.
So it's not a good track record for territory labor now.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Another concern right now is obviously accommodation for international students,
but student accommodation more generally. Again, that's something that we'd
asked the Federal Treasurer about. Is there going to be
any kind of an ouncement is going to be any
sort of movement in this space in terms of trying
to really to boost that accommodation for students in the territory.
At CDU, what do you think needs to happen.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Here, Well, we've got seven hundred international students imminently arriving
and there's nowhere for them to live. I mean CDU
have literally asked territorians to open their spare bedrooms. This
is a government that is telling territories it's expecting another
two thy nine hundred this financial year. They haven't planned,
they haven't done the work that's required to support international
(02:32):
student growth across the territory. And of course we're going
to have a brand new university campus built and the
Chancellor himself has said that there's going to be an
eighteen to two year lag time on accommodation for students
who will actually be attending that facility. So this is
once again a government that doesn't have a plan, hasn't
properly done the work required to make sure that we've
(02:54):
got the housing available, and it's our economy that's going
to suffer for that. Now.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I know that you've obviously spoken about the need to
convert some of that commercial property that we've got around
the Northern Territory to be able to use be used
for residential accommodation. How quickly, though, do you think that
we really need to get something like this happening? I mean,
at the moment, we know that Scott Bowman had said
if people have got spare rooms, if they've got somewhere
(03:18):
like a groaning flat where people can stay. But this
is a pretty like this is actually pretty urgent. Seven
hundred students arriving and not enough accommodation for them.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
It's extremely urgent, and we want to activate our CBD,
which will help drive down crime, it will put more
dollars into businesses in our city, and yet we don't
have anywhere for them to live because labor haven't done
the hard work. So we said that there should be
a guideline in place, much like South Australia, which gives
all of those vacant commercial spaces in the Darwin City
which is around seventeen percent, that they can then you know,
(03:51):
those developers can then have the opportunity to convert those
to temporary student accommodation, which my understanding is can come
online pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Still reckons that that's already able to happen.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Said the same, Yeah, it's absolutely rubbish. There's currently the
normal planning process which is very cumbersome and very uncertain,
and of course industry and business needs certainty at this time.
By having a guideline, it means that people who own
vacant commercial space can have a really clear plan around
if they're going to make that decision and spend the
money on going through that process, that they know how
(04:26):
the process is going to work and what the outcome
will be. So this is again just more spin from
labor who want to deflect from the fact that they
have not planned properly for accommodation for international students.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
So you reckon they need to scrap the normal planning
process and move things along much more urgently.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
There can be a separate set of guidelines for temporary
conversion of commercial space in the CBD for this purpose.
There is nothing stopping the government from doing that, and
Adelaide and South Australia have done that deliberately to make
it easier and more cost effective to feel that really
important gap that we have because this government hasn't done
the whole homework and Ultimately, with seven hundred people arriving
(05:03):
and nowhere to go, where on earth are we going
to put another twenty nine hundred. It's just not possible.
Their numbers are rubbery. They haven't got a plan. And
again it's our economy that suffers, which means that's less
dollars moving through the territory and less opportunity for people.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
All Right, I want to talk about a story from
the ABC on the weekend reporting that two Northern Territory
government MLAs had charged taxpayers more than three thousand dollars
in private interstate travel this year. It is thanks to
well it was over last year and this year thanks
to a fuel card entitlement. It's really fired up our listeners.
We had a lot of people getting in contact yesterday.
(05:38):
So the fuel disclosure records show back Bench MLA Duran
Young spent more than seven thousand dollars in fuel purchases
over a four month period from December twenty twenty two.
Now there's been quite a few people in contact saying Katie,
seven thousand dollars in four months is obscene of this.
More than two and a half thousand dollars was spent
(06:00):
on private travel in New South Wales and Queensland. Now.
The records also show that the Northern Territory is Attorney
General Chancey Paig racked up more than seven hundred bucks
in fuel costs on private travel driving between Adelaide and
the Northern Territory between Boxing Day and January this year.
Lea is the colp going to write to the tribunal
(06:20):
saying that you think there needs to be some changes
here or I mean, do we need the Order to
General or somebody to look into this what needs to happen.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well, my understanding, this decision sits squarely with the Speaker.
He's made the call that Territory labor members of Parliament
can have taxpayer funded holidays. I mean, this is at
a time where Territorians are struggling to put food on
the table, pay the bills, and there are Territory labor
members of Parliament who think it's okay for Territorians to
pick up the tab on their fuel bills while they're
(06:50):
on personal leave. It's extraordinary.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
The Northern Territory Government said that they gave me a
statement yesterday from a Northern Territory Government spokesperson saying the
renumeration Tribunal is an independent body that sets the entitlements
for all members of the Legislative Assembly. Vehicles are provided
to members of the Legislative Assembly for primary for parliamentary business,
electric use, and private use. Members who opt to not
(07:15):
receive an authern territory government vehicle are given a financial
entitlement that they can use instead. The entitlement varies for
different electorates, and additional entitlement for allowances and expenses for
parliamentary and electric businesses are set out in sections five,
six and seven of that determination. LEA, from your understanding
(07:37):
as an elected member, are you allowed to use a
fuel card, a government issued fuel card interstate?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
That was not my understanding. We had no notification of that.
I don't think it is actually written in the RTDKD.
I believe from estimates and I can go back and
check that it's actually through a speaker's determination that that
decision has been made. So I'll just need to double
check that spective of it. Whether you can or can't,
you shouldn't. Just because you can do something does not
(08:04):
mean you should.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Well, I want to point out as well, my understanding
is that this is not for government business.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
This is not for you personally. It's taxpayer funded personal holidays.
And this is a government that has a track record
of poorly spending taxpayers dollars. They have no respect for it.
We've got a ten billion dollar debt, we've got a
cost of living crisis they haven't dealt with, and now
we've got Labor members of Parliament spending taxpayers dollars going
on holidays.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I think at the very least listeners expect that this
isn't going to happen again. So what can you do
as as the leader of the Opposition to try to
ensure that it doesn't happen again? Are you able to
write to the Renumeration Tribunal? What are you able to do?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Look, we can certainly make submissions to the tribunal, but
ultimately this is about members of Parliament having integrity and
I can't fix Labour's integrity crisis. But it's shown not
through one member of Parliament, but at least two have
used taxpayer dollars to pay for their personal fuel while
interstate on holiday. Should that money be paid back without question?
There is no question in my mind that that money
(09:05):
should be paid back. It should never have been claimed
in the first place. It doesn't pass the pub test
or any other standard of integrity. And again at a
time when cost of living is crippling territorians and fuel
is through the roof, we've got Labor members of Parliament
getting taxpayers to pick up the tab. It's not okay.
It should never have happened and they should pay it
(09:25):
back immediately.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
So are you calling on the on both of those
members of Parliament to do the right thing here and
pay that money.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
They pay that money back. It's not your money. And
this is what Labor doesn't understand. Taxpayers dollars are from
the taxpayer. They are not Labour's money to spend.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
What if it falls under the entitlements? What if it
is a situation where even you can travel into state
and use that fuel card for personal use.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I just don't think it matters. I think just because
you can do something doesn't mean you should. And there
is no way on earth that any person in the
Northern Territory thinks it's okay for a member of Parliament
to travel into state on the public perse. It's just
not okay.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Well, and for full disclosure, we have certainly put in
a couple of requests to have the member for Daily
on the show. Duran Young Chrystal my producer working on that,
so hopefully at some point throughout this week we are
able to get him on the show. And we know
that it is also those records showing that the Northern
Territories Attorney General Chancey Paike also wrapped up more than
(10:23):
seven hundred dollars in fuel costs on private travel driving
between Adelaide and the Northern Territory. Leah, can you guarantee
that none of the members of the COLP have done
anything dodgy with their fuel.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Custs one hundred percent, Katie, And we never would because
we have respect for taxpayers dollars and ultimately would never
charge taxpayers to go on a holiday.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
All right, just very quickly before we wrap up this morning.
Yesterday we spoke pretty extensively to Marie Claire Boothby, your
spokesperson for Tourism, around the comments that have been made
by Alan Joyce, the CEO of Quantus, about the impact
that crime is having in Alice Springs, and various other
comments that were made. I understand that you have written
now to the Chief Minister or the colp's written to
(11:07):
the Chief Minister on this topic yes now.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Mary Claire Boothby wrote to the Chief Minister yesterday saying
that Conners are way out of line, not only with
their flight prices but of course with their comments essentially
blaming tour operators in Alice Springs for what is a crime,
crisis of labours making. And the Chief Minister passed the buck.
She said that was not her responsibility and flicked it
over to Nicole Manison, the Tourism Minister, and again, how
(11:32):
many other areas of responsibility ken Natasha files shirk off
to other ministers. She's not responsible for crime according to
her in estimates. Now she's not responsible for tourism. As
Chief Minister, she should be standing up for territorians and
our tourism operators because this is a huge blow to them.
And I'm so proud of Mary Clare Boothby. She walked
up to Alan Joyce and the Chairman of Quantis and
(11:53):
said flight prices are unacceptably high. We are watching you.
You've got to do better, and ultimately did the job
that the government should be doing.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I mean to play devil's advocate here, though surely the
Chief Minister can rely on her ministers who are responsible
for various portfolios to actually to answer to those portfolios.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Where is Natasha Files or any labor minister or member
condemning the comments and backing in our tourist industry. We
have heard nothing. They are silent and under them, the
territory continues to go backwards because they don't have fight,
they don't have the passion, They're not doing their job
and ultimately the territory and territorians are the ones who suffer.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Lea Finocchiaro, the opposition leader, we are going to have
to leave it there. Thanks very much for your time,
Take care everyone. Thank you,
Joining me live in the studio as she does most
Tuesday mornings. It is the opposition leader Leofanocchiaro. Good morning
to you.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Leaving Katie and you're wonderful Listenersnalia.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
We have just finished that interview with the Federal Treasurer
Jim Chalmers. It doesn't sound as though he's going to
be moving things towards a needs based funding model when
it comes to domestic violence. What do you make of that?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I think the treasurer is visit this week really is
just another example of the federal government having to tell
Natasha Files and labor how to do their job. He
should be arriving with two hundred and fifty million dollars
which the Prime Minister promised to Alice Springs six months ago, Katie,
So to come up empty handed with money that we're
entitled to is a huge disappointment and it shows that
(00:43):
Natasha Files isn't out there fighting for the territory and
we continue to go backwards.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Lea, do you think that we do need to move
to needs based funding when it comes to domestic violence?
I mean, even right now, we know that the coronial
inquest into the deaths of four women is currently underway
in the nor Than territory, some absolutely tragic detail emerging
from that. But do you think we do need to
move to needs based funding? It is it's obvious that
(01:08):
we've got a really serious issue with domestic violence.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well, needs based funding is something the territory champions irrespective
of political stripes, Kadie, and it's an issue not just
in that domestic violence space, but of course in education
as well and other areas. But this is something that
the territory government really need to be focused on. They've
got their labor mates in Canberra now and so you know,
(01:32):
are they able to actually leverage that relationship or not
I think is the major question. And they've failed at
the first hurdle, which is coming in and promising Alice
brings two hundred and fifty million dollars and coming up
with zero dollars of that, you know, six months later.
So it's not a good track record for territory labor now.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Another concern right now is obviously accommodation for international students,
but student accommodation more generally. Again, that's something that we'd
asked the Federal Treasurer about. Is there going to be
any kind of an ouncement is going to be any
sort of movement in this space in terms of trying
to really to boost that accommodation for students in the territory.
At CDU, what do you think needs to happen.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Here, Well, we've got seven hundred international students imminently arriving
and there's nowhere for them to live. I mean CDU
have literally asked territorians to open their spare bedrooms. This
is a government that is telling territories it's expecting another
two thy nine hundred this financial year. They haven't planned,
they haven't done the work that's required to support international
(02:32):
student growth across the territory. And of course we're going
to have a brand new university campus built and the
Chancellor himself has said that there's going to be an
eighteen to two year lag time on accommodation for students
who will actually be attending that facility. So this is
once again a government that doesn't have a plan, hasn't
properly done the work required to make sure that we've
(02:54):
got the housing available, and it's our economy that's going
to suffer for that. Now.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I know that you've obviously spoken about the need to
convert some of that commercial property that we've got around
the Northern Territory to be able to use be used
for residential accommodation. How quickly, though, do you think that
we really need to get something like this happening? I mean,
at the moment, we know that Scott Bowman had said
if people have got spare rooms, if they've got somewhere
(03:18):
like a groaning flat where people can stay. But this
is a pretty like this is actually pretty urgent. Seven
hundred students arriving and not enough accommodation for them.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
It's extremely urgent, and we want to activate our CBD,
which will help drive down crime, it will put more
dollars into businesses in our city, and yet we don't
have anywhere for them to live because labor haven't done
the hard work. So we said that there should be
a guideline in place, much like South Australia, which gives
all of those vacant commercial spaces in the Darwin City
which is around seventeen percent, that they can then you know,
(03:51):
those developers can then have the opportunity to convert those
to temporary student accommodation, which my understanding is can come
online pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Still reckons that that's already able to happen.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Said the same, Yeah, it's absolutely rubbish. There's currently the
normal planning process which is very cumbersome and very uncertain,
and of course industry and business needs certainty at this time.
By having a guideline, it means that people who own
vacant commercial space can have a really clear plan around
if they're going to make that decision and spend the
money on going through that process, that they know how
(04:26):
the process is going to work and what the outcome
will be. So this is again just more spin from
labor who want to deflect from the fact that they
have not planned properly for accommodation for international students.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
So you reckon they need to scrap the normal planning
process and move things along much more urgently.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
There can be a separate set of guidelines for temporary
conversion of commercial space in the CBD for this purpose.
There is nothing stopping the government from doing that, and
Adelaide and South Australia have done that deliberately to make
it easier and more cost effective to feel that really
important gap that we have because this government hasn't done
the whole homework and Ultimately, with seven hundred people arriving
(05:03):
and nowhere to go, where on earth are we going
to put another twenty nine hundred. It's just not possible.
Their numbers are rubbery. They haven't got a plan. And
again it's our economy that suffers, which means that's less
dollars moving through the territory and less opportunity for people.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
All Right, I want to talk about a story from
the ABC on the weekend reporting that two Northern Territory
government MLAs had charged taxpayers more than three thousand dollars
in private interstate travel this year. It is thanks to
well it was over last year and this year thanks
to a fuel card entitlement. It's really fired up our listeners.
We had a lot of people getting in contact yesterday.
(05:38):
So the fuel disclosure records show back Bench MLA Duran
Young spent more than seven thousand dollars in fuel purchases
over a four month period from December twenty twenty two.
Now there's been quite a few people in contact saying Katie,
seven thousand dollars in four months is obscene of this.
More than two and a half thousand dollars was spent
(06:00):
on private travel in New South Wales and Queensland. Now.
The records also show that the Northern Territory is Attorney
General Chancey Paig racked up more than seven hundred bucks
in fuel costs on private travel driving between Adelaide and
the Northern Territory between Boxing Day and January this year.
Lea is the colp going to write to the tribunal
(06:20):
saying that you think there needs to be some changes
here or I mean, do we need the Order to
General or somebody to look into this what needs to happen.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well, my understanding, this decision sits squarely with the Speaker.
He's made the call that Territory labor members of Parliament
can have taxpayer funded holidays. I mean, this is at
a time where Territorians are struggling to put food on
the table, pay the bills, and there are Territory labor
members of Parliament who think it's okay for Territorians to
pick up the tab on their fuel bills while they're
(06:50):
on personal leave. It's extraordinary.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
The Northern Territory Government said that they gave me a
statement yesterday from a Northern Territory Government spokesperson saying the
renumeration Tribunal is an independent body that sets the entitlements
for all members of the Legislative Assembly. Vehicles are provided
to members of the Legislative Assembly for primary for parliamentary business,
electric use, and private use. Members who opt to not
(07:15):
receive an authern territory government vehicle are given a financial
entitlement that they can use instead. The entitlement varies for
different electorates, and additional entitlement for allowances and expenses for
parliamentary and electric businesses are set out in sections five,
six and seven of that determination. LEA, from your understanding
(07:37):
as an elected member, are you allowed to use a
fuel card, a government issued fuel card interstate?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
That was not my understanding. We had no notification of that.
I don't think it is actually written in the RTDKD.
I believe from estimates and I can go back and
check that it's actually through a speaker's determination that that
decision has been made. So I'll just need to double
check that spective of it. Whether you can or can't,
you shouldn't. Just because you can do something does not
(08:04):
mean you should.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Well, I want to point out as well, my understanding
is that this is not for government business.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
This is not for you personally. It's taxpayer funded personal holidays.
And this is a government that has a track record
of poorly spending taxpayers dollars. They have no respect for it.
We've got a ten billion dollar debt, we've got a
cost of living crisis they haven't dealt with, and now
we've got Labor members of Parliament spending taxpayers dollars going
on holidays.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I think at the very least listeners expect that this
isn't going to happen again. So what can you do
as as the leader of the Opposition to try to
ensure that it doesn't happen again? Are you able to
write to the Renumeration Tribunal? What are you able to do?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Look, we can certainly make submissions to the tribunal, but
ultimately this is about members of Parliament having integrity and
I can't fix Labour's integrity crisis. But it's shown not
through one member of Parliament, but at least two have
used taxpayer dollars to pay for their personal fuel while
interstate on holiday. Should that money be paid back without question?
There is no question in my mind that that money
(09:05):
should be paid back. It should never have been claimed
in the first place. It doesn't pass the pub test
or any other standard of integrity. And again at a
time when cost of living is crippling territorians and fuel
is through the roof, we've got Labor members of Parliament
getting taxpayers to pick up the tab. It's not okay.
It should never have happened and they should pay it
(09:25):
back immediately.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
So are you calling on the on both of those
members of Parliament to do the right thing here and
pay that money.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
They pay that money back. It's not your money. And
this is what Labor doesn't understand. Taxpayers dollars are from
the taxpayer. They are not Labour's money to spend.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
What if it falls under the entitlements? What if it
is a situation where even you can travel into state
and use that fuel card for personal use.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I just don't think it matters. I think just because
you can do something doesn't mean you should. And there
is no way on earth that any person in the
Northern Territory thinks it's okay for a member of Parliament
to travel into state on the public perse. It's just
not okay.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Well, and for full disclosure, we have certainly put in
a couple of requests to have the member for Daily
on the show. Duran Young Chrystal my producer working on that,
so hopefully at some point throughout this week we are
able to get him on the show. And we know
that it is also those records showing that the Northern
Territories Attorney General Chancey Paike also wrapped up more than
(10:23):
seven hundred dollars in fuel costs on private travel driving
between Adelaide and the Northern Territory. Leah, can you guarantee
that none of the members of the COLP have done
anything dodgy with their fuel.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Custs one hundred percent, Katie, And we never would because
we have respect for taxpayers dollars and ultimately would never
charge taxpayers to go on a holiday.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
All right, just very quickly before we wrap up this morning.
Yesterday we spoke pretty extensively to Marie Claire Boothby, your
spokesperson for Tourism, around the comments that have been made
by Alan Joyce, the CEO of Quantus, about the impact
that crime is having in Alice Springs, and various other
comments that were made. I understand that you have written
now to the Chief Minister or the colp's written to
(11:07):
the Chief Minister on this topic yes now.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Mary Claire Boothby wrote to the Chief Minister yesterday saying
that Conners are way out of line, not only with
their flight prices but of course with their comments essentially
blaming tour operators in Alice Springs for what is a crime,
crisis of labours making. And the Chief Minister passed the buck.
She said that was not her responsibility and flicked it
over to Nicole Manison, the Tourism Minister, and again, how
(11:32):
many other areas of responsibility ken Natasha files shirk off
to other ministers. She's not responsible for crime according to
her in estimates. Now she's not responsible for tourism. As
Chief Minister, she should be standing up for territorians and
our tourism operators because this is a huge blow to them.
And I'm so proud of Mary Clare Boothby. She walked
up to Alan Joyce and the Chairman of Quantis and
(11:53):
said flight prices are unacceptably high. We are watching you.
You've got to do better, and ultimately did the job
that the government should be doing.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I mean to play devil's advocate here, though surely the
Chief Minister can rely on her ministers who are responsible
for various portfolios to actually to answer to those portfolios.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Where is Natasha Files or any labor minister or member
condemning the comments and backing in our tourist industry. We
have heard nothing. They are silent and under them, the
territory continues to go backwards because they don't have fight,
they don't have the passion, They're not doing their job
and ultimately the territory and territorians are the ones who suffer.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Lea Finocchiaro, the opposition leader, we are going to have
to leave it there. Thanks very much for your time,
Take care everyone. Thank you,
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