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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And as we know, Parliament's still sitting in the Northern
Territory today and if you are hoping for changes to
the baril laws in parliament yesterday, well you'll be feeling
a bit let down this morning. The CLP's attempt to
bring these new bar laws to Parliament on urgency was
shut down by Labour's majority. As you've just heard then
from the Minister for Small Business and also Veterans' Affairs,
(00:21):
Paul Kirby, he said that there is a specific process
where that bill has to be introduced if it is
going to be on urgency. Well I don't know exactly
what the process is, but according to him, the COLP
didn't get it right. And joining me on the line
right now is the Opposition leader Leah Fanocchiaro.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Good morning to you, Leah, Good morning Katie in to
your listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Leah, did you get it wrong yesterday?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Oh Katie, this is just so frustrating and disappointing. This
is a government trying to cover up its tracks and
muddy the waters. The CLP did not get anything wrong
in parliament yesterday. It is perfect, straightforward what we did.
It is within the rules of the Parliament. It is
process that the government itself like to use when it
(01:07):
wants to get something through quickly. And so this is
all just a great exercise in distraction. It's disingenuous and
it's not true. If they don't want to have bail reform,
they'd be big enough to come out and say no,
we don't want it go away. But to pretend like
we got it wrong is just a cover up.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I mean, they're saying that you got it wrong with
the fuel legislation that you talked about a while back
as well, and you did the same thing yesterday. Have
you got the I mean, have you got the process
wrong here? Shouldn't you have done a different way?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
This is a tactic, This is this is a deliberate tactic.
Yesterday in Parliament was a disgrace. You should have seen it.
They shut me down within forty seven seconds of speaking, Katie,
forty seven seconds, and then while we were having the
vote on that decision to shut me down, they were
all jeering and carrying on about how we've gotten it
(01:58):
wrong and you couldn't even do that. It's just not true.
That is absolutely the process. This is a government that
doesn't stand by its convictions any day of the Week, Katie.
It could bring in legislation to make our community safer
and it doesn't. The colp are the ones trying to
push forward with reform that meets community expectation and delivers
(02:19):
consequences for offenders. And this government is so focused on
playing silly political games to try and tease me or
make it look like I don't know what I'm doing.
But Territorians know very well that it is labor who
have no idea what they're doing and are totally out
of touch.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Look, it's certainly not lost on me that what you
are pushing for does seem to be something that members
of the community are also pushing for. But I guess
some might be questioning this morning, based on what the
government is saying, that you made a wrong step by
not allowing the government to see a copy of that
legislation or to have a briefing. Do you think that
(02:56):
would have made any difference?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Absolutely not, Katie. And again this is a government full
of excuses, all talk, no action. What we were trying
to pass yesterday was exactly the same as the amendment
we tried to pass last sittings, so they have seen it.
It doesn't require a briefing because it is so unbelievably simple.
It's less than one page. It just means that anyone
(03:19):
who is a serious violent offender has a presumption against bail.
It means they start with a position of nobao. There
is nothing to brief Katie. It is just that simple.
This is a government that has an entire department legal
team that it could ask if it needed an explanation.
It's something we debated last sittings and tried to pass
last sittings again. This is a government desperate to cover up,
(03:42):
to throw mud and distract and try and talk down
the colp and what we're trying to do. But territories
see through this charade least it is not true.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Why do you think that this legislation is so important?
Because I think that people are probably going to be
feeling a bit confused this morning, thinking to themselves, we'll
hang on. We've got the government saying that they've got
this body of work that they are working on right
now into bail reform. You know, they are saying that
they've made changes to the presumption of bail when it
comes to weapons. But then you are saying it doesn't
(04:15):
go far enough. Why do you think that this legislation
is so important.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
It's so important because it's the start of fixing the
imbalance of people's rights. What we have at the moment
is a lawless society where the rights of the offender
is above the rights of people to be safe. And
by amending bowl legislation, it means when people do the
wrong thing, they should be facing court on the back foot.
And that's exactly what the seal people leave in. But
(04:41):
what is happening right now is that people are getting
to the court to have that discussion around whether they're bailed,
and they're on the front foot. Why should people who've
done the wrong thing have that leg up in life?
That is just not okay. So by amending bail for
any serious violent offender, it means it doesn't matter if
you have a specific type of weapon like a nigh
(05:03):
for whatever government believe is a weapon. If you have
a rock, if you use your fist, if you use
a car, if you pick up a pole, if you
kick someone in the head, these are all things that
should be captured to send a message to people doing
the wrong thing that we will not be giving you
endless liberty, that we will be making sure the rights
of people to be safe comes first, and that's why
(05:25):
this is so important, Leah.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I know you are pressed for time this morning, but
a couple of things I still want to ask. The
government was really hammering you yesterday in Parliament. They were
saying that you're a one trick pony and all you
talk about is crime. You want to talk tough on crime,
and you're not prepared to listen to the experts. They
again said that you're talking the territory down.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Is that the case again? This is a government who
is unable to listen to the community. We have had
three rallies on the steps of Parliament House where thousands
and thousands of territories are calling for change and action.
Three and a half thousand people gathered in Alice Springs
to do the same thing. This is a government who
spends all of its time talking about me and talking
(06:08):
about the CLP. Katie. Literally in question time the day
before yesterday, they asked each other questions. I heard it
about the CELP. No, I heard it extraordinary, wild. I've
never seen that before.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, I thought it was very bizarre, don't worry. I
was watching and did think it was quite bizarre. I
also watched you know what it unfolded yesterday as you
tried to obviously push that will attempt to bring in
those new bail laws. So I am seeing it and
I know that a lot of our listeners are listening
to it as well. I think that a lot of
people are more politically astute and more switched on than
(06:41):
what the government's giving them credit for at this point.
But I want to ask, we know that Yinya Guayula also,
as I understand it, moved emotion yesterday that the Assembly
refers to the Legal and Constitutional Affairs Committee for inquiry
and report back to the Assembly by May next year
(07:01):
a process to review bills introduced into the Assembly for
their impact on First Nations territories. Lea, is this like
a second voice to Parliament or a voice to Parliament
from the northern territory level, and then we're going to
have a second voice to Parliament on the federal level.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I don't think Yuinia sees it that way, but I
don't want to verbal him. I haven't had a discussion
with him, so I won't comment on that. But it
is important and members of Parliament are able to put
forward whatever it is they believe in, and we fundamentally
will always support that. So the fact that it's been
referred to a committee of the Parliament to explore is
(07:38):
just a fundamental part of democracy. So we do support that.
We will actively and properly and professionally take part in
that committee process, and depending on where it goes and
what the outcome is, will either support the recommendations made
by the committee or will prepare a dissenting report. But
we will participate in good faith because that's what democracy
is about.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
If it's very true, it is what democracy is about. Well,
Lea Finocchio, we'll see if we can get on to
Yna Gayula at some point next week. I reckon to
have a chat to him about exactly what it is
all about. We appreciate your time this morning, and no
doubt be another interesting day in parliament.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yes, well I hope it's better than yesterday. But if
this government keep talking about the COLP, well we're only
talking about territorians, I think people we'll see right through
what this game is all about.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Thank you for your time this morning, Lea
And as we know, Parliament's still sitting in the Northern
Territory today and if you are hoping for changes to
the baril laws in parliament yesterday, well you'll be feeling
a bit let down this morning. The CLP's attempt to
bring these new bar laws to Parliament on urgency was
shut down by Labour's majority. As you've just heard then
from the Minister for Small Business and also Veterans' Affairs,
(00:21):
Paul Kirby, he said that there is a specific process
where that bill has to be introduced if it is
going to be on urgency. Well I don't know exactly
what the process is, but according to him, the COLP
didn't get it right. And joining me on the line
right now is the Opposition leader Leah Fanocchiaro.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Good morning to you, Leah, Good morning Katie in to
your listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Leah, did you get it wrong yesterday?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Oh Katie, this is just so frustrating and disappointing. This
is a government trying to cover up its tracks and
muddy the waters. The CLP did not get anything wrong
in parliament yesterday. It is perfect, straightforward what we did.
It is within the rules of the Parliament. It is
process that the government itself like to use when it
(01:07):
wants to get something through quickly. And so this is
all just a great exercise in distraction. It's disingenuous and
it's not true. If they don't want to have bail reform,
they'd be big enough to come out and say no,
we don't want it go away. But to pretend like
we got it wrong is just a cover up.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I mean, they're saying that you got it wrong with
the fuel legislation that you talked about a while back
as well, and you did the same thing yesterday. Have
you got the I mean, have you got the process
wrong here? Shouldn't you have done a different way?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
This is a tactic, This is this is a deliberate tactic.
Yesterday in Parliament was a disgrace. You should have seen it.
They shut me down within forty seven seconds of speaking, Katie,
forty seven seconds, and then while we were having the
vote on that decision to shut me down, they were
all jeering and carrying on about how we've gotten it
(01:58):
wrong and you couldn't even do that. It's just not true.
That is absolutely the process. This is a government that
doesn't stand by its convictions any day of the Week, Katie.
It could bring in legislation to make our community safer
and it doesn't. The colp are the ones trying to
push forward with reform that meets community expectation and delivers
(02:19):
consequences for offenders. And this government is so focused on
playing silly political games to try and tease me or
make it look like I don't know what I'm doing.
But Territorians know very well that it is labor who
have no idea what they're doing and are totally out
of touch.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Look, it's certainly not lost on me that what you
are pushing for does seem to be something that members
of the community are also pushing for. But I guess
some might be questioning this morning, based on what the
government is saying, that you made a wrong step by
not allowing the government to see a copy of that
legislation or to have a briefing. Do you think that
(02:56):
would have made any difference?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Absolutely not, Katie. And again this is a government full
of excuses, all talk, no action. What we were trying
to pass yesterday was exactly the same as the amendment
we tried to pass last sittings, so they have seen it.
It doesn't require a briefing because it is so unbelievably simple.
It's less than one page. It just means that anyone
(03:19):
who is a serious violent offender has a presumption against bail.
It means they start with a position of nobao. There
is nothing to brief Katie. It is just that simple.
This is a government that has an entire department legal
team that it could ask if it needed an explanation.
It's something we debated last sittings and tried to pass
last sittings again. This is a government desperate to cover up,
(03:42):
to throw mud and distract and try and talk down
the colp and what we're trying to do. But territories
see through this charade least it is not true.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Why do you think that this legislation is so important?
Because I think that people are probably going to be
feeling a bit confused this morning, thinking to themselves, we'll
hang on. We've got the government saying that they've got
this body of work that they are working on right
now into bail reform. You know, they are saying that
they've made changes to the presumption of bail when it
comes to weapons. But then you are saying it doesn't
(04:15):
go far enough. Why do you think that this legislation
is so important.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
It's so important because it's the start of fixing the
imbalance of people's rights. What we have at the moment
is a lawless society where the rights of the offender
is above the rights of people to be safe. And
by amending bowl legislation, it means when people do the
wrong thing, they should be facing court on the back foot.
And that's exactly what the seal people leave in. But
(04:41):
what is happening right now is that people are getting
to the court to have that discussion around whether they're bailed,
and they're on the front foot. Why should people who've
done the wrong thing have that leg up in life?
That is just not okay. So by amending bail for
any serious violent offender, it means it doesn't matter if
you have a specific type of weapon like a nigh
(05:03):
for whatever government believe is a weapon. If you have
a rock, if you use your fist, if you use
a car, if you pick up a pole, if you
kick someone in the head, these are all things that
should be captured to send a message to people doing
the wrong thing that we will not be giving you
endless liberty, that we will be making sure the rights
of people to be safe comes first, and that's why
(05:25):
this is so important, Leah.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I know you are pressed for time this morning, but
a couple of things I still want to ask. The
government was really hammering you yesterday in Parliament. They were
saying that you're a one trick pony and all you
talk about is crime. You want to talk tough on crime,
and you're not prepared to listen to the experts. They
again said that you're talking the territory down.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Is that the case again? This is a government who
is unable to listen to the community. We have had
three rallies on the steps of Parliament House where thousands
and thousands of territories are calling for change and action.
Three and a half thousand people gathered in Alice Springs
to do the same thing. This is a government who
spends all of its time talking about me and talking
(06:08):
about the CLP. Katie. Literally in question time the day
before yesterday, they asked each other questions. I heard it
about the CELP. No, I heard it extraordinary, wild. I've
never seen that before.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, I thought it was very bizarre, don't worry. I
was watching and did think it was quite bizarre. I
also watched you know what it unfolded yesterday as you
tried to obviously push that will attempt to bring in
those new bail laws. So I am seeing it and
I know that a lot of our listeners are listening
to it as well. I think that a lot of
people are more politically astute and more switched on than
(06:41):
what the government's giving them credit for at this point.
But I want to ask, we know that Yinya Guayula also,
as I understand it, moved emotion yesterday that the Assembly
refers to the Legal and Constitutional Affairs Committee for inquiry
and report back to the Assembly by May next year
(07:01):
a process to review bills introduced into the Assembly for
their impact on First Nations territories. Lea, is this like
a second voice to Parliament or a voice to Parliament
from the northern territory level, and then we're going to
have a second voice to Parliament on the federal level.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I don't think Yuinia sees it that way, but I
don't want to verbal him. I haven't had a discussion
with him, so I won't comment on that. But it
is important and members of Parliament are able to put
forward whatever it is they believe in, and we fundamentally
will always support that. So the fact that it's been
referred to a committee of the Parliament to explore is
(07:38):
just a fundamental part of democracy. So we do support that.
We will actively and properly and professionally take part in
that committee process, and depending on where it goes and
what the outcome is, will either support the recommendations made
by the committee or will prepare a dissenting report. But
we will participate in good faith because that's what democracy
is about.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
If it's very true, it is what democracy is about. Well,
Lea Finocchio, we'll see if we can get on to
Yna Gayula at some point next week. I reckon to
have a chat to him about exactly what it is
all about. We appreciate your time this morning, and no
doubt be another interesting day in parliament.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yes, well I hope it's better than yesterday. But if
this government keep talking about the COLP, well we're only
talking about territorians, I think people we'll see right through
what this game is all about.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Thank you for your time this morning, Lea
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