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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now, yesterday on the show, I took you through some
(00:02):
of the answers to written questions which had been asked
by the government or sorry of the government, I should say,
by the Opposition as part of the estimates process around
some legislative changes when it comes to crime. Now, among
the questions were a number of chargers were you know,
questions about how many people have been charged against well
certain individuals and different offenses. Now it was revealed twenty
(00:26):
five eight hundred and one charges were laid from August
twenty five last year till March thirty first this year.
The questions also looked into how many youths and adults
have been charged under the new post and boast laws,
as well as how many were sentenced. There were also
questions around how many youths have been sentenced for assaulting
(00:49):
frontline workers under the Sentencing Amendment Act and following changes
to ram raiding offenses. This is all since the CLP
came into government. Now joining us on the show is
the Opposition leader Selena Youubo. Good morning to you, Selena.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Good morning to you, Katie, Good morning to listeners.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Selena, what were you trying to glean from the questions
around the number of people charged since the election in
August last year.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, Katie, we wanted to ask the CP government those
key questions, particularly around reducing crime, which is obviously a
key commitment from the COLP government. What's working well for
committee safety, what could be done better? And having those
questions put in, and I must say we put them
in about two months ago. We only got them on
(01:39):
the day of estimates for each minister. It seems to
be a little bit of a pattern by the government
at the moment. But the questions that we've asked over
the last two months was really around how can we measure,
how can we see what's making a difference, what's not
making a difference, so we can really track the government's
progress and hold them accountable. Katie.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Now, I know you asked a number of questions about
how many youths and adults have been charged under the
new post and boast laws that were introduced under the
Criminal Code Amendment to Act, and how many were sentenced.
Now we learned that as of the thirty first of
March this year, seven individuals had been charged with post
and boast offenses, including one adult age nineteen and six
(02:22):
youths aged thirteen to seventeen years old, as well as
two young people aged fourteen and sixteen, and no adults
being sentenced. So what do you think it sees about
the legislation? Is it working?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I think there could be an opportunity Again, we'll ask
the same question Katie next year, in twelve months time.
So I want to make sure that again is the
is it fit for purpose? This is a piece of
legislation that we started formally when we were in government
under Labor so it was something that we supported, Katie,
and we want to just make sure we can track
(02:58):
are there adjustments that can be made to the education
excuse me, either legislation or policy. Again, so we're seeing
a community. Is our community safer these policies or pieces
of laws fits a purpose? And what could be done better?
So that's essentially what we're trying to do. It's almost
a bit of a data numbers collecting exercise at the moment,
(03:19):
so we can track. We'll ask the question and again
this time next year, and we hope to see that
legislation working well for territorium.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, I had wondered because obviously it also asked about
the ramraid legislation and you know assault or the changes
to assaulting frontline workers. So I suppose the reality of
it is because even I'd thought to myself, well, it's
probably like it's a bit too early to tell from
August to March whether something's been impactful or effective. So
by the sounds of it, for you, it is more
(03:47):
a matter of seeing how it goes after another twelve months.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah. And the reporting period, just so listeners understand, is
always from the start of the financial year is the
beginning of July until the thirty first of the following year,
so twenty twenty five. So the data sets are always
in the three quarters. So we'll keep asking and then
anything we ask now that the government can't answer on
the spot, they take it on notice Katie and they
(04:12):
get it back to us. I think it's required by
the fourteenth of July, so we'll we get all the
data for the full financial year. Depending what questions we are.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I'll be keen to find out more. I always like
the estimates process, and it can be probably a.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Bit it's probably not interesting to every listener, but it
really we get some good information from it. Sometimes we
get some pretty interesting answers as I'm sure you can imagine. No.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Oh, look, I've been watching it for ten years, I
reckon Selena, So over the years it's been very well.
It's been interesting to see the way that you get
some of that info. But I'm really like, I am
really interested to see with some of these legislative changes
the impact that they do or don't have, So I'll
be keen to find out more when you get those answers.
Let's move along. Let's talk about education, because I understand
(04:55):
that the opposition did focus on remote education yesterday. In
it estimates, you say that there's been a significant cut
to Ali Kerung school. Talk me through what the go
is here.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, Katie, we had Joe Heersey, the Education Minister, on yesterday,
and I mean education is one of those topics that
everyone is interested in, you know, and formerly as a
teacher myself formally as an education minister, I know that
everyone's got an opinion on education. It becomes a really
important part of the estimates process to get information right
across the NT about what the government of the day
(05:30):
is doing around supporting and investing in our schools, making
sure we have you know, the best possible outcomes for
our young people, for our kids, because obviously the support
for them means that we have a really strong territory
for the future. But with our questioning of Joehersey yesterday,
we through the budget books, we were uncovering more and
(05:54):
more cuts to really critical school infrastructure investment in schools
across the territory, but particularly some of those remote schools
which we learned yesterday that Joe Jersey hasn't even visited,
so cutting huge amounts of money that have been invested
that were flagged to be invested into schools. And the
big one which you mentioned was Ali Korung's School and
(06:16):
that's actually in the Member for Barkley, Steve Edgington's electorate.
That's eight point seven million dollars of very much needed
upgrades for classrooms for Ali Korung's school. Like it is
quite a remote school, they do do it tough, but
I mean the investment. As we know, when you have
nice classrooms, when you have nice school infrastructure, it means
that the learning can really go to the next level.
(06:40):
And we were just extremely not just disappointed, but quite
shocked that the CLP government is saying that they want
more kids to get back to school. Everyone has the
responsibly which we absolutely agree to get kids to school
to learn so they have a good future. So why
would you then as a government, Katie, I don't understand
rip money out of investing in school so they can
(07:00):
be that learning center for a young person's life. So
we were extremely shocked to see that saying one thing
and doing another. But also Edgington, he's been talking about
the investment in the school for years, which is why
the money was against the project, and now it's completely gone,
it's disappeared.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Did they give you much of an answer as to
why that funding has been cut? For Ali kuran Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
The Minister jo Hersey spoke a lot about reprioritization where
that money's gone. She couldn't answer, But we'll keep asking
the questions. And I think all schools, Katie, doesn't matter
if it's a remote, regional or a town school. Every
school across the territory has to have that support of
the government and that's something that I believe to my core.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Look, we will we're trying our best to get her
on the show at some point this week, so we'll
certainly ask the question about it as well. Oppositionally do
I do want to ask you about the revelation yesterday
as well as that almost four years after the Northern
Territory government committed to reviewing systemic racism within its departments,
the Attorney General, according to the ABC, has announced a
(08:05):
racism review into NTE police has now been scrapped. What
do you make of this?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, this is another one that we sort of scratch
our head and quite flabbergasted at, Katie. So there was
a huge amount of workers. I know you were aware,
but your listeners may be aware as well around the
Abitual Justice agreement and there was a process that was
stepped out through the Abitual Justice Unit in government to
look at each department, not targeting a particular department, but
(08:36):
looking at some of the larger departments of government and
going through a process to then report back. The one
department that did finish its process was the Department of Infrastructure,
and then there was other departments that were kind of
due next in line. So to scrap that commitment to
(08:57):
I guess the bigger picture of how government works, of
the systems in place again, what's working well? It's not
working well in government to that level I think is
a huge blow for the territory and I think not
being able to explain why decision like that has made
is very disappointing.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Do you know how much it was costing to complete
those reviews?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I don't have a figure, and I mean that's also
something we asked. We asked that for the Infrastructure Minister
last week. We asked of the Attorney General today yesterday. Sorry,
it's been a big couple of tats yesterday and that's
where we found out that they've scrapped the review.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
All right, Well again we'll trut. We have got the
Attorney General coming on in a couple of moments, so
we'll see if we can ask about that. Just before
I let you go this morning, I know that in
twenty twenty two, of course, Labor made changes to the Act.
When it comes to the Anti Discrimination Act, the current
Northern Territory COLP government now has announced some reforms. So
(09:53):
essentially those changes that were made in twenty twenty two
by Labor saw the Act well. They say the seal
PCs blur the line between genuine discrimination and the simple
expression of opinion, eroding territorian's freedoms of speech and religion.
The Attorney General Murray Clare Boothby said, the reforms are
(10:14):
now going to ensure that Territorians are treated equally regardless
of race, religion, gender or background, while also protecting the
freedoms that underpin the territory's diverse lifestyle. Why did those
changes come into place back in twenty twenty two and
what do you now make of the fact that they're
going to be reversed.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, Katie, in twenty twenty two, the work that was
done to reform the very important Anti Discrimination Act here
in the Northern Territory was to make sure that we
had contemporary modern use of that legislation of that law
and that it did provide protections for territorians around discrimination.
So what we ask questions to the Attorney General, Murray
(10:55):
Clair Boothby yesterday was around consultation. Why is the salig
government looking to make their own set of reform which
we believe is definitely watering down the Any Discrimination Act.
And Marie Claire basically came back and said, oh, I've
met with stakeholders and you know that's informed my decision
and made these changes. And then we saw an outpouring
(11:17):
since yesterday of many groups that the Attorney General said
that she met with and consulted with, saying no, no, no, Actually,
what the Attorney General saying is not correct and we
were not consulted in the way that she is describing.
So number one, if you're basing your decisions by government
on conversations and not having that you know, key process
(11:39):
of compultation, and that's a big worry.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Well, that wast and that was the criticism when you
guys have made that change back in twenty twenty two
as well. I know that I'd had Bishop Gauchi on
the show, for example, and others who were saying, Katie,
we just you know, like we're concerned about these changes.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, And that's one part of the aspect there, Katie,
around those religious institutions and the process of employment. And
I know we don't have enough time to speak of
all of that, but they're freekeeen to talk to you
more about that in the future. But one of the
big concerns that we have, Katie, is here in the territory. Obviously,
we always talk about how fiercely unique we are and
(12:18):
how we want to protect every territory and that we
love living in the territory, but the rest of the
country is having a huge conversation around hate speech and
hate crimes, and we've seen some really shocking media reports
in other parts of the country of where hate crimes
are really becoming a horrible part of community life. We
never want to see that happen here in the Northern Territory.
(12:40):
So the reforms of the Attorney General and the colp
government are talking about are actually watering down the protections
and the rights of territories under that particular law. And
that's what we're concerned about, where the rest of the
country is trying to catch up to what we have
here in the territory. We're a bit of a leader
in the space in this one, which is great. The
Seal and the Attorney General looking to step us backwards
(13:03):
and we don't agree with that and we don't think
that's fair for territory.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
And Selena a very quick one before I let you
go this morning. It has indeed been revealed that Lee
Points well land clearing at Lee Point in Darwin is
going to stop after a Northern Territory tribunal rule. The
developer cannot continue work at the site until a major
legal challenge from Larikia elder and senior traditional owner Tibi
quoll Is heard what do you make of this?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, Katie, I heard that this morning on some of
the news bulletins when I was listening to the radio,
and it will be interesting. I think the biggest part
of this is whatever the process now that is halted,
people want to see an outcome, whether it's the round
of development, whether it's around any lend protections, whether there's
any penalties, whatever. The outcome is that people want to
(13:52):
see a fair and just process, and they want to
see a quick process.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I mean, well, this is the thing. What do you
think it's so in terms of when somebody has gone
through all of those processes already, you start your project
and then it has to stop it.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
You know.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I get the concerns from people, but it also it's
a real uncertainty for anybody wanting to do any kind
of business in the NT when this happens.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, Katie, and I think that we'll probably see some
learnings from this particular process. But I mean the COLP
said that they've got the territory coordinator now and twenty
million dollars later, and we haven't seen a single report
or anything. Actually, addressed around projects of significance in the territory.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Though started obviously when you guys are empowered, also falls
under the Federal Labor Party. Again, I'll ask what do
you think it sees for certainty when it comes to
projects in the nt OH, Katie.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
That's why there's different laws and protections again through the
process of development. I think that's a really important part
around stimulating the territory's economy and there will be lessons
from this regardless of the outcome.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Selena Rubo always good to catch up with you. I'll
let you go. I know you've got to get into estimates.
We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Thank you so much, Katie.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Thank you
Now, yesterday on the show, I took you through some
(00:02):
of the answers to written questions which had been asked
by the government or sorry of the government, I should say,
by the Opposition as part of the estimates process around
some legislative changes when it comes to crime. Now, among
the questions were a number of chargers were you know,
questions about how many people have been charged against well
certain individuals and different offenses. Now it was revealed twenty
(00:26):
five eight hundred and one charges were laid from August
twenty five last year till March thirty first this year.
The questions also looked into how many youths and adults
have been charged under the new post and boast laws,
as well as how many were sentenced. There were also
questions around how many youths have been sentenced for assaulting
(00:49):
frontline workers under the Sentencing Amendment Act and following changes
to ram raiding offenses. This is all since the CLP
came into government. Now joining us on the show is
the Opposition leader Selena Youubo. Good morning to you, Selena.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Good morning to you, Katie, Good morning to listeners.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Selena, what were you trying to glean from the questions
around the number of people charged since the election in
August last year.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, Katie, we wanted to ask the CP government those
key questions, particularly around reducing crime, which is obviously a
key commitment from the COLP government. What's working well for
committee safety, what could be done better? And having those
questions put in, and I must say we put them
in about two months ago. We only got them on
(01:39):
the day of estimates for each minister. It seems to
be a little bit of a pattern by the government
at the moment. But the questions that we've asked over
the last two months was really around how can we measure,
how can we see what's making a difference, what's not
making a difference, so we can really track the government's
progress and hold them accountable. Katie.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Now, I know you asked a number of questions about
how many youths and adults have been charged under the
new post and boast laws that were introduced under the
Criminal Code Amendment to Act, and how many were sentenced.
Now we learned that as of the thirty first of
March this year, seven individuals had been charged with post
and boast offenses, including one adult age nineteen and six
(02:22):
youths aged thirteen to seventeen years old, as well as
two young people aged fourteen and sixteen, and no adults
being sentenced. So what do you think it sees about
the legislation? Is it working?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I think there could be an opportunity Again, we'll ask
the same question Katie next year, in twelve months time.
So I want to make sure that again is the
is it fit for purpose? This is a piece of
legislation that we started formally when we were in government
under Labor so it was something that we supported, Katie,
and we want to just make sure we can track
(02:58):
are there adjustments that can be made to the education
excuse me, either legislation or policy. Again, so we're seeing
a community. Is our community safer these policies or pieces
of laws fits a purpose? And what could be done better?
So that's essentially what we're trying to do. It's almost
a bit of a data numbers collecting exercise at the moment,
(03:19):
so we can track. We'll ask the question and again
this time next year, and we hope to see that
legislation working well for territorium.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, I had wondered because obviously it also asked about
the ramraid legislation and you know assault or the changes
to assaulting frontline workers. So I suppose the reality of
it is because even I'd thought to myself, well, it's
probably like it's a bit too early to tell from
August to March whether something's been impactful or effective. So
by the sounds of it, for you, it is more
(03:47):
a matter of seeing how it goes after another twelve months.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah. And the reporting period, just so listeners understand, is
always from the start of the financial year is the
beginning of July until the thirty first of the following year,
so twenty twenty five. So the data sets are always
in the three quarters. So we'll keep asking and then
anything we ask now that the government can't answer on
the spot, they take it on notice Katie and they
(04:12):
get it back to us. I think it's required by
the fourteenth of July, so we'll we get all the
data for the full financial year. Depending what questions we are.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I'll be keen to find out more. I always like
the estimates process, and it can be probably a.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Bit it's probably not interesting to every listener, but it
really we get some good information from it. Sometimes we
get some pretty interesting answers as I'm sure you can imagine. No.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Oh, look, I've been watching it for ten years, I
reckon Selena, So over the years it's been very well.
It's been interesting to see the way that you get
some of that info. But I'm really like, I am
really interested to see with some of these legislative changes
the impact that they do or don't have, So I'll
be keen to find out more when you get those answers.
Let's move along. Let's talk about education, because I understand
(04:55):
that the opposition did focus on remote education yesterday. In
it estimates, you say that there's been a significant cut
to Ali Kerung school. Talk me through what the go
is here.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, Katie, we had Joe Heersey, the Education Minister, on yesterday,
and I mean education is one of those topics that
everyone is interested in, you know, and formerly as a
teacher myself formally as an education minister, I know that
everyone's got an opinion on education. It becomes a really
important part of the estimates process to get information right
across the NT about what the government of the day
(05:30):
is doing around supporting and investing in our schools, making
sure we have you know, the best possible outcomes for
our young people, for our kids, because obviously the support
for them means that we have a really strong territory
for the future. But with our questioning of Joehersey yesterday,
we through the budget books, we were uncovering more and
(05:54):
more cuts to really critical school infrastructure investment in schools
across the territory, but particularly some of those remote schools
which we learned yesterday that Joe Jersey hasn't even visited,
so cutting huge amounts of money that have been invested
that were flagged to be invested into schools. And the
big one which you mentioned was Ali Korung's School and
(06:16):
that's actually in the Member for Barkley, Steve Edgington's electorate.
That's eight point seven million dollars of very much needed
upgrades for classrooms for Ali Korung's school. Like it is
quite a remote school, they do do it tough, but
I mean the investment. As we know, when you have
nice classrooms, when you have nice school infrastructure, it means
that the learning can really go to the next level.
(06:40):
And we were just extremely not just disappointed, but quite
shocked that the CLP government is saying that they want
more kids to get back to school. Everyone has the
responsibly which we absolutely agree to get kids to school
to learn so they have a good future. So why
would you then as a government, Katie, I don't understand
rip money out of investing in school so they can
(07:00):
be that learning center for a young person's life. So
we were extremely shocked to see that saying one thing
and doing another. But also Edgington, he's been talking about
the investment in the school for years, which is why
the money was against the project, and now it's completely gone,
it's disappeared.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Did they give you much of an answer as to
why that funding has been cut? For Ali kuran Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
The Minister jo Hersey spoke a lot about reprioritization where
that money's gone. She couldn't answer, But we'll keep asking
the questions. And I think all schools, Katie, doesn't matter
if it's a remote, regional or a town school. Every
school across the territory has to have that support of
the government and that's something that I believe to my core.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Look, we will we're trying our best to get her
on the show at some point this week, so we'll
certainly ask the question about it as well. Oppositionally do
I do want to ask you about the revelation yesterday
as well as that almost four years after the Northern
Territory government committed to reviewing systemic racism within its departments,
the Attorney General, according to the ABC, has announced a
(08:05):
racism review into NTE police has now been scrapped. What
do you make of this?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, this is another one that we sort of scratch
our head and quite flabbergasted at, Katie. So there was
a huge amount of workers. I know you were aware,
but your listeners may be aware as well around the
Abitual Justice agreement and there was a process that was
stepped out through the Abitual Justice Unit in government to
look at each department, not targeting a particular department, but
(08:36):
looking at some of the larger departments of government and
going through a process to then report back. The one
department that did finish its process was the Department of Infrastructure,
and then there was other departments that were kind of
due next in line. So to scrap that commitment to
(08:57):
I guess the bigger picture of how government works, of
the systems in place again, what's working well? It's not
working well in government to that level I think is
a huge blow for the territory and I think not
being able to explain why decision like that has made
is very disappointing.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Do you know how much it was costing to complete
those reviews?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I don't have a figure, and I mean that's also
something we asked. We asked that for the Infrastructure Minister
last week. We asked of the Attorney General today yesterday. Sorry,
it's been a big couple of tats yesterday and that's
where we found out that they've scrapped the review.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
All right, Well again we'll trut. We have got the
Attorney General coming on in a couple of moments, so
we'll see if we can ask about that. Just before
I let you go this morning, I know that in
twenty twenty two, of course, Labor made changes to the Act.
When it comes to the Anti Discrimination Act, the current
Northern Territory COLP government now has announced some reforms. So
(09:53):
essentially those changes that were made in twenty twenty two
by Labor saw the Act well. They say the seal
PCs blur the line between genuine discrimination and the simple
expression of opinion, eroding territorian's freedoms of speech and religion.
The Attorney General Murray Clare Boothby said, the reforms are
(10:14):
now going to ensure that Territorians are treated equally regardless
of race, religion, gender or background, while also protecting the
freedoms that underpin the territory's diverse lifestyle. Why did those
changes come into place back in twenty twenty two and
what do you now make of the fact that they're
going to be reversed.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, Katie, in twenty twenty two, the work that was
done to reform the very important Anti Discrimination Act here
in the Northern Territory was to make sure that we
had contemporary modern use of that legislation of that law
and that it did provide protections for territorians around discrimination.
So what we ask questions to the Attorney General, Murray
(10:55):
Clair Boothby yesterday was around consultation. Why is the salig
government looking to make their own set of reform which
we believe is definitely watering down the Any Discrimination Act.
And Marie Claire basically came back and said, oh, I've
met with stakeholders and you know that's informed my decision
and made these changes. And then we saw an outpouring
(11:17):
since yesterday of many groups that the Attorney General said
that she met with and consulted with, saying no, no, no, Actually,
what the Attorney General saying is not correct and we
were not consulted in the way that she is describing.
So number one, if you're basing your decisions by government
on conversations and not having that you know, key process
(11:39):
of compultation, and that's a big worry.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Well, that wast and that was the criticism when you
guys have made that change back in twenty twenty two
as well. I know that I'd had Bishop Gauchi on
the show, for example, and others who were saying, Katie,
we just you know, like we're concerned about these changes.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, And that's one part of the aspect there, Katie,
around those religious institutions and the process of employment. And
I know we don't have enough time to speak of
all of that, but they're freekeeen to talk to you
more about that in the future. But one of the
big concerns that we have, Katie, is here in the territory. Obviously,
we always talk about how fiercely unique we are and
(12:18):
how we want to protect every territory and that we
love living in the territory, but the rest of the
country is having a huge conversation around hate speech and
hate crimes, and we've seen some really shocking media reports
in other parts of the country of where hate crimes
are really becoming a horrible part of community life. We
never want to see that happen here in the Northern Territory.
(12:40):
So the reforms of the Attorney General and the colp
government are talking about are actually watering down the protections
and the rights of territories under that particular law. And
that's what we're concerned about, where the rest of the
country is trying to catch up to what we have
here in the territory. We're a bit of a leader
in the space in this one, which is great. The
Seal and the Attorney General looking to step us backwards
(13:03):
and we don't agree with that and we don't think
that's fair for territory.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
And Selena a very quick one before I let you
go this morning. It has indeed been revealed that Lee
Points well land clearing at Lee Point in Darwin is
going to stop after a Northern Territory tribunal rule. The
developer cannot continue work at the site until a major
legal challenge from Larikia elder and senior traditional owner Tibi
quoll Is heard what do you make of this?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, Katie, I heard that this morning on some of
the news bulletins when I was listening to the radio,
and it will be interesting. I think the biggest part
of this is whatever the process now that is halted,
people want to see an outcome, whether it's the round
of development, whether it's around any lend protections, whether there's
any penalties, whatever. The outcome is that people want to
(13:52):
see a fair and just process, and they want to
see a quick process.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I mean, well, this is the thing. What do you
think it's so in terms of when somebody has gone
through all of those processes already, you start your project
and then it has to stop it.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
You know.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I get the concerns from people, but it also it's
a real uncertainty for anybody wanting to do any kind
of business in the NT when this happens.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, Katie, and I think that we'll probably see some
learnings from this particular process. But I mean the COLP
said that they've got the territory coordinator now and twenty
million dollars later, and we haven't seen a single report
or anything. Actually, addressed around projects of significance in the territory.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Though started obviously when you guys are empowered, also falls
under the Federal Labor Party. Again, I'll ask what do
you think it sees for certainty when it comes to
projects in the nt OH, Katie.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
That's why there's different laws and protections again through the
process of development. I think that's a really important part
around stimulating the territory's economy and there will be lessons
from this regardless of the outcome.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Selena Rubo always good to catch up with you. I'll
let you go. I know you've got to get into estimates.
We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Thank you so much, Katie.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Thank you
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