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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Joining its live on the line, the member Foranamajira in
Central Australia, the colp's Bill Yan.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Good morning, Bill, Good morning Katie, and good morning to
your listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Now Bill, we will talk health in just a moment,
but we have just spoken to Ruth Palmer from the
Property Council, also Robin Lamley in Central Australia as well
about some of the issues.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
That we're experiencing when it comes to crime.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yesterday we unfortunately learned that a man had been charged
after alleged sexual assault in Darwin, CBD on Tuesday afternoon.
Now this happened in broad daylight about four pm in
the afternoon. Police received a report that a woman was
allegedly sexually assaulted in the vicinity of Austin Lane in
Darwin City. Police deployed to the area and the crime
(00:43):
scene was established. They obviously arrested a fifty six year
old man a short time later, but that man was
not known to the woman. I mean, this is it's
a horrifying situation.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Look, okay, this goes to the core safety of the
people in the Northern Territory and this comes off the
back of that that assault just recently in the same
area of Geller and the lady who was working there
at the shoe shop. This is this isn't CBD darky
in broad daylight. These two assaults have happened in that area.
(01:23):
It goes back to the crime issues that we're facing
the territory and when you think about those incidents in Darwin,
not two hundred metres from the police station there in
the city. So it comes back again to that core
safety of the people and it's it's happening there in
the c B in Darwen. There was another rap I'm
awareof sexual assault at the bus stop here.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
There was last week.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Again, it's just this stuff is it keeps going on
and on and on, and we keep hearing rectord from
the government that they're doing everything they came. Well, obviously
they're not, Katie, because this stuff is still happening and
it's on Goome and people are getting hurt and people
are getting hard.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Well, this is the same action.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
You know, even earlier in the week we've also we
know that you know that there was a loss of
life in what is believed to be a domestic violence situation.
Are shooting, So look, it is just it's too much
and so many people are questioning what is it going
to take for some really serious and urgent action to
(02:24):
get underway.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, sadly, people are losing their lives and being seriously
assaulted right across the territory because of the inability of
government to get on top of this crime issue. It's
been and it's been in the making for a long
time now. It's just something that's happened overnight. They were allowed.
I suppose a scenario where where crime seems to be okay,
(02:47):
where people think it's okay to do these things and
they're getting away with it, and that's not right, Kate,
It's not right for the people of the territory. There
needs to be some urgent action to provide safety. Safety
at home, safety at work, and safety about going about
your day to day business. Is particularly here in Central Australia.
People don't feel safe going about their daily day to
(03:11):
day business and their daily day to day lives.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah, we've all had a bloody gutfull, you know, that's
what it comes down to.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
We're all over it. You know. There needs to be
some serious, serious action. Bill.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I want to move along because earlier in the week
we spoke to a Darwin based expectant mother Maddie, who
said that she was told she couldn't get her twelve
week pregnancy scan until sixteen to eighteen weeks, so she
ended up driving three hours to.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Catherine to have it done.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Now, since then, we've been contacted by a number of
other people with similar experiences, and not just people needing
those pregnancy scans. Bill, are you aware of delays with
pregnancy scans and people needing to travel elsewhere to have
them done.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Well, I've heard of this before Cada and I listened
to that interview with the lady that's traveled to Catherine,
and that's not acceptable in what were would call a
modern medical I suppose facility in Darmen. We've got the
Darwin and Pumps Hospital, a capital city of the Northern Territory,
and women are able to get those critical scans during
(04:14):
pregnancy that they need. The fact that people are having
to travel to Catherine, three hundred kilometers from Darwin to
go and get those skins just puts them again at
undue risk and a risk of undue harm having to
travel up and down the road to go and get
those scans. I know women here in central Australia who
(04:35):
need scans, particularly around the breast care, they can't get
the scans here in Central Australia. The machinery is here,
but the people who run the machinery is not, and
they're going to get on planes and either fly to
Darwin or they're being referred to the Southern States. And
I believe it's happening for women in the top end
as well, where they're being referred to South Australia or
(04:58):
elsewhere to get scans and stuff done that could be
done in Darwin. But because we don't have the healthcare
professionals to be able to utilize the machinery that we have,
they can't do it. So that's a bit of a
double whammy for us. We can't affect the healthcare workers
to the territory, and now territory taxpayers are picking up
the money for the Patient Assistant Travel Service to send
(05:22):
people in the state to get services that should be
provided here in a territory. It just doesn't make any sense, Katie,
It's absolutely ludicrous.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Bill. Do you have any idea or any insights in
some of those situations as to how long people have
been waiting?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
No, I haven't yet and certainly some inquiries that I'm
going to be making because it's not acceptable to expected mothers.
Some of those cans are quite critical, particularly when there
are high risk pregnancies and things like that. Those scans
at certain points in time are critical for those expected mothers.
They can't be delayed, and the fact that they're being
(05:58):
delayed puts the mother and the child at risk, and
that's not acceptable to anybody in a modern society. Here
in an ordern teritory, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
We put a number of questions to the Department of
Health on this topic, and what they have said to
us is new coal translucency scans are provided by multiple
private organizations I Met Territory X Ray, etc. And are
not managed by INNT Health. They said all other public
obstetric scans are performed at Darwin and Palmerston, including twelve
(06:30):
to sixteen week anatomy scans. I mean, we've gone back
with a whole raft of further questions, including questions about
people needing MRIs and as you've said, they're breast care
scans and that kind of thing that they're having to
wait extended periods for or not able to actually get
I mean like, is it good enough that you know
(06:50):
that this is happening across the board and what do
you think needs to happen.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Well, look that response from government as a cop out
by into your health n to health manage those contracts.
They let those contracts out for those private organizations and
it's up to health to manage those contracts. So NT
health should be if it's those private organizations that are
not being able to provide those services, NT health need
to be on their case. They need to be telling them,
(07:17):
will you tell us why you can't provide that service?
And sadly we know why it's difficult to get people
in the health profession up here into Central Australia, daw
and right across the territory. And sadly it comes back
to that one common denominae that we're seeing is that
some of the social issues and the crime issues we're
seeing here in the territory, we can't get health professionals,
(07:40):
whether it be in anti health or into those nngas
and private sectors. I mean estimates we asked about suppose
health professionals in Adel Springs, they said there was one
hundred and thirty short Well, I'm told that numbers more
like one hundred and eighty wow, and a nearly fifty
percent of the nurship stuff here in Central aus agency
(08:00):
staff and not into health staff. So that speaks volumes
for what's taking place in Central Australia across the territory bill?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Are you concerned as well, like when you're talking about
people having to travel into state for different scans. Now,
I know some people will be doing that at a
personal cost to them. Others will be going through the
Northern Territory Health Travel Scheme. I can't remember the exact
name of it or the patient Travel scheme.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Are you concerned about PATS?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Are you worried about the cost or the expense of
that to taxpayers or do you reckon? I mean, obviously
it needs to happen, so I'm not disputing that in
any way, shape or form.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
No, You've people have got to get the treatment that
they need and if it can't be provided here in
territory and then people have to go elsewhere it, then
we've got to pay. We've got to make that happen.
But when we can provide the services here, and the
reason we're not providing the services is we don't have
the people, and then we're using it patients assistant travel
scheme for stuff that should be happening here, and that's
(09:01):
a little bit of a worry and we've got to
look at what that costs Now. I'll never begrudge somebody
that needs when they need those scans can't provide it
to get on a plane and go and get the skins.
But if we're able to provide the service here in
territory and we're not doing that because we don't have
the staff to be able to operate the machinery or
the specialists be able to provide the service, then again
(09:22):
that just doesn't make any sense for it. It's a
false economy. At the end of the day. We need
those specialists here in the territory to provide those immediate
service to territories so they don't have to get on
a plane or don't have to draw three hundred kilometers
down to Catherine and put themselves at further risk through
travel to get those basic skins they should be able
(09:45):
to get at home.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
YEP, I cannot argue with that kind of logic.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Bell I appreciate your time this morning, mate, Thanks very
much for joining us on.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
The show Absolutely Pleasure. Cage Chiz, thank you.
Joining its live on the line, the member Foranamajira in
Central Australia, the colp's Bill Yan.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Good morning, Bill, Good morning Katie, and good morning to
your listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Now Bill, we will talk health in just a moment,
but we have just spoken to Ruth Palmer from the
Property Council, also Robin Lamley in Central Australia as well
about some of the issues.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
That we're experiencing when it comes to crime.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yesterday we unfortunately learned that a man had been charged
after alleged sexual assault in Darwin, CBD on Tuesday afternoon.
Now this happened in broad daylight about four pm in
the afternoon. Police received a report that a woman was
allegedly sexually assaulted in the vicinity of Austin Lane in
Darwin City. Police deployed to the area and the crime
(00:43):
scene was established. They obviously arrested a fifty six year
old man a short time later, but that man was
not known to the woman. I mean, this is it's
a horrifying situation.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Look, okay, this goes to the core safety of the
people in the Northern Territory and this comes off the
back of that that assault just recently in the same
area of Geller and the lady who was working there
at the shoe shop. This is this isn't CBD darky
in broad daylight. These two assaults have happened in that area.
(01:23):
It goes back to the crime issues that we're facing
the territory and when you think about those incidents in Darwin,
not two hundred metres from the police station there in
the city. So it comes back again to that core
safety of the people and it's it's happening there in
the c B in Darwen. There was another rap I'm
awareof sexual assault at the bus stop here.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
There was last week.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Again, it's just this stuff is it keeps going on
and on and on, and we keep hearing rectord from
the government that they're doing everything they came. Well, obviously
they're not, Katie, because this stuff is still happening and
it's on Goome and people are getting hurt and people
are getting hard.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Well, this is the same action.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
You know, even earlier in the week we've also we
know that you know that there was a loss of
life in what is believed to be a domestic violence situation.
Are shooting, So look, it is just it's too much
and so many people are questioning what is it going
to take for some really serious and urgent action to
(02:24):
get underway.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, sadly, people are losing their lives and being seriously
assaulted right across the territory because of the inability of
government to get on top of this crime issue. It's
been and it's been in the making for a long
time now. It's just something that's happened overnight. They were allowed.
I suppose a scenario where where crime seems to be okay,
(02:47):
where people think it's okay to do these things and
they're getting away with it, and that's not right, Kate,
It's not right for the people of the territory. There
needs to be some urgent action to provide safety. Safety
at home, safety at work, and safety about going about
your day to day business. Is particularly here in Central Australia.
People don't feel safe going about their daily day to
(03:11):
day business and their daily day to day lives.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah, we've all had a bloody gutfull, you know, that's
what it comes down to.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
We're all over it. You know. There needs to be
some serious, serious action. Bill.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I want to move along because earlier in the week
we spoke to a Darwin based expectant mother Maddie, who
said that she was told she couldn't get her twelve
week pregnancy scan until sixteen to eighteen weeks, so she
ended up driving three hours to.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Catherine to have it done.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Now, since then, we've been contacted by a number of
other people with similar experiences, and not just people needing
those pregnancy scans. Bill, are you aware of delays with
pregnancy scans and people needing to travel elsewhere to have
them done.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Well, I've heard of this before Cada and I listened
to that interview with the lady that's traveled to Catherine,
and that's not acceptable in what were would call a
modern medical I suppose facility in Darmen. We've got the
Darwin and Pumps Hospital, a capital city of the Northern Territory,
and women are able to get those critical scans during
(04:14):
pregnancy that they need. The fact that people are having
to travel to Catherine, three hundred kilometers from Darwin to
go and get those skins just puts them again at
undue risk and a risk of undue harm having to
travel up and down the road to go and get
those scans. I know women here in central Australia who
(04:35):
need scans, particularly around the breast care, they can't get
the scans here in Central Australia. The machinery is here,
but the people who run the machinery is not, and
they're going to get on planes and either fly to
Darwin or they're being referred to the Southern States. And
I believe it's happening for women in the top end
as well, where they're being referred to South Australia or
(04:58):
elsewhere to get scans and stuff done that could be
done in Darwin. But because we don't have the healthcare
professionals to be able to utilize the machinery that we have,
they can't do it. So that's a bit of a
double whammy for us. We can't affect the healthcare workers
to the territory, and now territory taxpayers are picking up
the money for the Patient Assistant Travel Service to send
(05:22):
people in the state to get services that should be
provided here in a territory. It just doesn't make any sense, Katie,
It's absolutely ludicrous.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Bill. Do you have any idea or any insights in
some of those situations as to how long people have
been waiting?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
No, I haven't yet and certainly some inquiries that I'm
going to be making because it's not acceptable to expected mothers.
Some of those cans are quite critical, particularly when there
are high risk pregnancies and things like that. Those scans
at certain points in time are critical for those expected mothers.
They can't be delayed, and the fact that they're being
(05:58):
delayed puts the mother and the child at risk, and
that's not acceptable to anybody in a modern society. Here
in an ordern teritory, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
We put a number of questions to the Department of
Health on this topic, and what they have said to
us is new coal translucency scans are provided by multiple
private organizations I Met Territory X Ray, etc. And are
not managed by INNT Health. They said all other public
obstetric scans are performed at Darwin and Palmerston, including twelve
(06:30):
to sixteen week anatomy scans. I mean, we've gone back
with a whole raft of further questions, including questions about
people needing MRIs and as you've said, they're breast care
scans and that kind of thing that they're having to
wait extended periods for or not able to actually get
I mean like, is it good enough that you know
(06:50):
that this is happening across the board and what do
you think needs to happen.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Well, look that response from government as a cop out
by into your health n to health manage those contracts.
They let those contracts out for those private organizations and
it's up to health to manage those contracts. So NT
health should be if it's those private organizations that are
not being able to provide those services, NT health need
to be on their case. They need to be telling them,
(07:17):
will you tell us why you can't provide that service?
And sadly we know why it's difficult to get people
in the health profession up here into Central Australia, daw
and right across the territory. And sadly it comes back
to that one common denominae that we're seeing is that
some of the social issues and the crime issues we're
seeing here in the territory, we can't get health professionals,
(07:40):
whether it be in anti health or into those nngas
and private sectors. I mean estimates we asked about suppose
health professionals in Adel Springs, they said there was one
hundred and thirty short Well, I'm told that numbers more
like one hundred and eighty wow, and a nearly fifty
percent of the nurship stuff here in Central aus agency
(08:00):
staff and not into health staff. So that speaks volumes
for what's taking place in Central Australia across the territory bill?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Are you concerned as well, like when you're talking about
people having to travel into state for different scans. Now,
I know some people will be doing that at a
personal cost to them. Others will be going through the
Northern Territory Health Travel Scheme. I can't remember the exact
name of it or the patient Travel scheme.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Are you concerned about PATS?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Are you worried about the cost or the expense of
that to taxpayers or do you reckon? I mean, obviously
it needs to happen, so I'm not disputing that in
any way, shape or form.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
No, You've people have got to get the treatment that
they need and if it can't be provided here in
territory and then people have to go elsewhere it, then
we've got to pay. We've got to make that happen.
But when we can provide the services here, and the
reason we're not providing the services is we don't have
the people, and then we're using it patients assistant travel
scheme for stuff that should be happening here, and that's
(09:01):
a little bit of a worry and we've got to
look at what that costs Now. I'll never begrudge somebody
that needs when they need those scans can't provide it
to get on a plane and go and get the skins.
But if we're able to provide the service here in
territory and we're not doing that because we don't have
the staff to be able to operate the machinery or
the specialists be able to provide the service, then again
(09:22):
that just doesn't make any sense for it. It's a
false economy. At the end of the day. We need
those specialists here in the territory to provide those immediate
service to territories so they don't have to get on
a plane or don't have to draw three hundred kilometers
down to Catherine and put themselves at further risk through
travel to get those basic skins they should be able
(09:45):
to get at home.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
YEP, I cannot argue with that kind of logic.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Bell I appreciate your time this morning, mate, Thanks very
much for joining us on.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
The show Absolutely Pleasure. Cage Chiz, thank you.
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