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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, as we know, from the first of September this year,
the Northern Territory government is running the twelve month trial
allowing eligible members of the public to purchase, possess, carry,
and use OC spray for self defense. Now to be eligible, well,
you've got to you can only purchase I don't know
how many canisters you can purchase.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
We'll see if we.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Can find out more about that. But you've got to
be eighteen years of age or over. You've got to
present a valid photo ID at the time of purchase
and complete a buyer declaration that you've got no relevant
criminal history, police or court orders, and only purchase in
store from participating firearms dealers in the Northern Territory. Now
(00:39):
joining me on the line is one of the business
owners who is going to be licensed to sell the
OC spray rod and rifle. Owner in Catherine Trent to
with good morning to your Trent.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Good morning, Katie.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
How are your mate? How's Catherine this morning?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Oh? We're talking along. She's freezing down here. I tell
you it's cold please today.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah, we're about about twenty three mate, and cold this
morning at at a low of eighteen I believe it
was not as cold as.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
You guys this morning. It was absolutely magic and it's
hopefully the last little stint I think we're going to
have with the dry season.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, I think it is, so we better all lap
it up now, Trent. The news obviously that the OC
Spray is rolling out from September one.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You know, some media outlets are saying that people are
opposed to it. I'm hearing a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Of positive feedback for it in terms of people wanting
to actually go and purchase a canister of OC spray.
What's the word on the street in Catherine, how people
feeling about it.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
It probably depends on what media you listen to too, Katie.
There's some people that seem to have different agendas about things.
But look, look overall, for us, it's been quite surprising
the phone calls and just the install inquiries in regards
to whether or not it's available yet, and when it's
going to be available, what it's going to look like,
(02:00):
how much it's going to be. There's been a lot
of questions around that and we haven't actually had the
answers until the last sort of previous week. We've finally
got a bit of information flowing as they've got the
documents out to us.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, and so in terms of you know, things like
whether you're you know, whether you're expecting quite an influx
of people to come in and purchase O see spray,
I mean much interest from that perspective, and are you
planning as such.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah, it's been surprising, a lot of phone calls, as
I said, and a lot of people in store curious
about it. It's funny though, because retail is a funny
one where you'll get a lot of interest in it,
but it depends whether or not they actually commit to
doing what they asking about. But overall, we think it's
going to be quite a popular product. And the good
thing about it, Katie is if you don't want to
(02:50):
buy it, it doesn't matter. It's there as a tool
if you want it. But at least you know that
if you want to grab it, well, I know where
I can get it. And hopefully, you know, the nine
stores are going to be sellers of it. We'll have
it in stock for you and we're planning to have
a couple of hundred of the two sizes available on
the first of September.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, So what are the requirements from your perspective when
someone comes in and they're wanting to buy the spray.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
So as what we've been told from the government was
they didn't want to put the onus on the dealer
doing it, so the onus is on the person buying it.
So they need to do the self declaration, and they
need to be over eighteen and they need to have
a valid ID with them. So anything that goes in
that declaration is up to them. There's no tick or
(03:37):
cross at the end of it. But what's happening is
in the background that declaration is being monitored by a
team of people on the OC spray you know, little
task force thing whatever they've put together, and they're going
to be able to determine in the background that this
person shouldn't have bought that we're going to go and
pay them a visit.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Right, So there is a.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Declaration, there is a follow up, and it's a self declaration.
So if you tick know that you don't have any
criminal history, and then that straightaway presents a red flag,
well you're probably going to get a knock on the
door in the following day.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Hey, in terms of the process, So what people are
having to do when they come in.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
To purchase O sea spray.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
How does it differ when someone say, buys a knife
or a gun to go hunting.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
So two different categories between the knife and the gun.
So the gun is a heavily controlled one where paperwork's
done at the police station beforehand it goes to a
team of people who approve whether or not you can
collect that firearm. There is a month waiting between doing
the paperwork and picking up a firearm, a knife, a machete,
(04:45):
a crossbow, a bow and arrow. There is nothing there's
not even a self declaration.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Form you're joking.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
No, And this is the funny thing about the outrage
of the OC spray is there is no declaration for
anything else. Yeah, I mean, what do you think is
going to be worse, Katie if you're confronted in the
nighttime by cannavo seats frae or a machete or a knife.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, well this is and.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
So yeah, yeah, it's been been a bit of a
funny one watching the backlash from it, as well as
the positive side to it as well. Yeah. But yeah,
it's an interesting thing that you know, we as a store,
like personally, you know, my staff and myself, we make
a judgment call at the time. It's not really up
to us to do that. But it's my town, it's
where I live. So if somebody comes in and wants
(05:29):
to buy a machete, well we're going to sort of
just have a bit of a look. We're going to
get an ID, we're going to photo copy it, and
we're going to keep it. And it's just that's enough
of a deterrent to turn people away pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, and you know you're spot on, Like I know,
even the boys at Fishing an Outdoor World and other
locations around the place, Like I'm sure you know whether
you're at you know, really at most locations that are
owned by Territorians, or most businesses that are owned by Territorians,
like you've said there.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
You know, you live in this place.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
You want to make sure that you know that you're
not getting something in the hands of the wrong person.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
So most people I think.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Are quite responsible when it comes to those sales.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yes, they've got roots in the ground and families going
to the local schools and the local footy ovals and
all that sort of stuff. Well they're going to be
pretty careful on what they're selling, the amount they're selling
it and who they're selling it to. So yeah, that's
sort of you know, without the owners being put on us.
It's what it is. At the same time, you know,
you take that responsibility on yourself.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
I believe, hey, in terms of how much it's going
to retail for any idea yet how much it is
going to cost, I don't.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Have confirmed numbers, but basically what I sort of ascertain
in WA a ten. So we're allowed in the ordinary
to sell two sizes, a ten gram can and a
forty five gram can. They're the biggest we can do.
And the ten gram can, if you can imagine, would
fit in the palm of your hand quite comfortably and
it would probably not stick past your fingers. It's just
(06:59):
a very can that's going to be about fifty bucks,
and the forty five grand can is going to be
about sixty bucks.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Now, in terms of how many canisters you can buy
at a time, or how many little spray bottles you
can buy at a time, are there any limitations or
what are you guys, how are you.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Guys going to do?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
In chatting with the police, there wasn't actually a limitation
put on it, but we just think in our area
we're just going to say, look, it's one per person,
and yeah, just to go easy at the start because
we obviously, like I said, we don't need it flooding
the streets. We just want to judge slowly how it goes.
And the trial is going to be good on that.
Get the feedback into the town and see what's happening
(07:39):
with it. And I suppose just some information on the
spray as well. It's the smaller can that is ten
grand I think I read it can go it's two
and a half meters, yeah, two meters for two point
five seconds. Yeah. And the forty five grand can I
think it's five meters for about five seconds.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
So it's not like you you know you're going to
be able to go around and spray ten different people
with your OC spray. It's literally like it's an emergency
kind of you know, a button to push.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, And it's not even the fact that you may
have to deploy it. It's the fact that if you
feel unsafe and somebody maybe is coming towards you, you
can say, hey, look i've got OC spray back off, yeah.
Or the other side of it is I run a
lot and I get chased by dogs all the bloody times. Yeah,
and if I ever feel, you know, yeah, if I
ever feel that one of them is undone and one
(08:35):
of them is actually going to have a crack, well,
it's not just forection from people, you know. Animals are
a good one. And my wife won't run in a
certain area of town purely because of the dogs that
are Yep.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
No, it's a fair point, one which I hadn't even
thought of, but a very fair point. Hey, Trent, I
know that you're not an expert when it comes to
OC spray, but we're keen to ask if there's lots
of people asking lots of questions, any idea, whether it's
got like an ex spiry date, is it does it
last only a certain period of time?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
The manufacturer recommendations that I looked on it said twelve
months is a recommended It doesn't actually haven't explored it,
just said twelve months was recommended. And then also once
you do deploy it, it's twelve months basically from that
point on as well. Yeah, so you know, because it
can I did do some reading and you can actually
spray it once and then spray it again, but obviously
(09:26):
you won't know how much is left in it, but
at the same time, after twelve months you should toss
it and get a new one.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, well, Trent, I think it's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
It sounds as though you've got a lot more detail,
you know, in terms of how it's going to roll
out from a retailer perspective. We've certainly got more detail
as well now when you talk about the rollout from
a consumer perspective, and as you rightly pointed out, you know,
not everyone's going to choose to go out and get some,
But it is more about giving people that option if
you are you know, like you or I or your
wife who go running all the time and you are
(09:57):
concerned about your safety if you're running early in the
morning or later in the evening. It's not as if
you're planning on going and using it, but if you
are in a situation that's very dangerous, it gives you
that option, it does.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
It's just another tool there for you that you may
not have had that with you when you're running. Because
what other option did we have as runners to do anything?
Not not just runners? It's all I mean, we keep
bringing up runners, but overall, what other options do you
have apart from walking around. A stick can be used
against you just as well.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Spray can be absolutely and as you've pointed out, which
I think is really interesting is even when you're then
looking at purchasing a knife or you know, or a
gun or not a gun sorry, or you know, a bowl.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
And arrow or I can't think of the correct words.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Clearly I'm not a hunter.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
But you know, but these different processes and in some
cases not quite as stringent. But you know, you sort
of think to yourself, like literally, there's a lot of
other things that can be you used as weapons as well,
even a basic kitchen knife.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
You grab them from a supermarket, you know, and there's
no stringent check out protocols with that stuff. So yeah, look,
I think I'm not fore and against the whole thing.
I'm curious to see how it goes, but I'm excited
for the people who are who in their minds, are
going to feel safer by carrying this product. Yeah, and
if they need to deploy it, well, yeah, it's there,
(11:26):
whether it's a dog or a person.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well, Trent, I'll tell you I reckon.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
We'll probably catch up with you on the first of
September two, mate, to find out how it's going, whether
the sales, whether it's being run off the.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Off the floor or not.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Hopefully we've got enough.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Thank you, thank you, thanks so much for having a
chat with us this morning.
Well, as we know, from the first of September this year,
the Northern Territory government is running the twelve month trial
allowing eligible members of the public to purchase, possess, carry,
and use OC spray for self defense. Now to be eligible, well,
you've got to you can only purchase I don't know
how many canisters you can purchase.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
We'll see if we.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Can find out more about that. But you've got to
be eighteen years of age or over. You've got to
present a valid photo ID at the time of purchase
and complete a buyer declaration that you've got no relevant
criminal history, police or court orders, and only purchase in
store from participating firearms dealers in the Northern Territory. Now
(00:39):
joining me on the line is one of the business
owners who is going to be licensed to sell the
OC spray rod and rifle. Owner in Catherine Trent to
with good morning to your Trent.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Good morning, Katie.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
How are your mate? How's Catherine this morning?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Oh? We're talking along. She's freezing down here. I tell
you it's cold please today.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah, we're about about twenty three mate, and cold this
morning at at a low of eighteen I believe it
was not as cold as.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
You guys this morning. It was absolutely magic and it's
hopefully the last little stint I think we're going to
have with the dry season.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, I think it is, so we better all lap
it up now, Trent. The news obviously that the OC
Spray is rolling out from September one.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You know, some media outlets are saying that people are
opposed to it. I'm hearing a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Of positive feedback for it in terms of people wanting
to actually go and purchase a canister of OC spray.
What's the word on the street in Catherine, how people
feeling about it.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
It probably depends on what media you listen to too, Katie.
There's some people that seem to have different agendas about things.
But look, look overall, for us, it's been quite surprising
the phone calls and just the install inquiries in regards
to whether or not it's available yet, and when it's
going to be available, what it's going to look like,
(02:00):
how much it's going to be. There's been a lot
of questions around that and we haven't actually had the
answers until the last sort of previous week. We've finally
got a bit of information flowing as they've got the
documents out to us.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, and so in terms of you know, things like
whether you're you know, whether you're expecting quite an influx
of people to come in and purchase O see spray,
I mean much interest from that perspective, and are you
planning as such.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah, it's been surprising, a lot of phone calls, as
I said, and a lot of people in store curious
about it. It's funny though, because retail is a funny
one where you'll get a lot of interest in it,
but it depends whether or not they actually commit to
doing what they asking about. But overall, we think it's
going to be quite a popular product. And the good
thing about it, Katie is if you don't want to
(02:50):
buy it, it doesn't matter. It's there as a tool
if you want it. But at least you know that
if you want to grab it, well, I know where
I can get it. And hopefully, you know, the nine
stores are going to be sellers of it. We'll have
it in stock for you and we're planning to have
a couple of hundred of the two sizes available on
the first of September.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, So what are the requirements from your perspective when
someone comes in and they're wanting to buy the spray.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
So as what we've been told from the government was
they didn't want to put the onus on the dealer
doing it, so the onus is on the person buying it.
So they need to do the self declaration, and they
need to be over eighteen and they need to have
a valid ID with them. So anything that goes in
that declaration is up to them. There's no tick or
(03:37):
cross at the end of it. But what's happening is
in the background that declaration is being monitored by a
team of people on the OC spray you know, little
task force thing whatever they've put together, and they're going
to be able to determine in the background that this
person shouldn't have bought that we're going to go and
pay them a visit.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Right, So there is a.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Declaration, there is a follow up, and it's a self declaration.
So if you tick know that you don't have any
criminal history, and then that straightaway presents a red flag,
well you're probably going to get a knock on the
door in the following day.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Hey, in terms of the process, So what people are
having to do when they come in.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
To purchase O sea spray.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
How does it differ when someone say, buys a knife
or a gun to go hunting.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
So two different categories between the knife and the gun.
So the gun is a heavily controlled one where paperwork's
done at the police station beforehand it goes to a
team of people who approve whether or not you can
collect that firearm. There is a month waiting between doing
the paperwork and picking up a firearm, a knife, a machete,
(04:45):
a crossbow, a bow and arrow. There is nothing there's
not even a self declaration.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Form you're joking.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
No, And this is the funny thing about the outrage
of the OC spray is there is no declaration for
anything else. Yeah, I mean, what do you think is
going to be worse, Katie if you're confronted in the
nighttime by cannavo seats frae or a machete or a knife.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, well this is and.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
So yeah, yeah, it's been been a bit of a
funny one watching the backlash from it, as well as
the positive side to it as well. Yeah. But yeah,
it's an interesting thing that you know, we as a store,
like personally, you know, my staff and myself, we make
a judgment call at the time. It's not really up
to us to do that. But it's my town, it's
where I live. So if somebody comes in and wants
(05:29):
to buy a machete, well we're going to sort of
just have a bit of a look. We're going to
get an ID, we're going to photo copy it, and
we're going to keep it. And it's just that's enough
of a deterrent to turn people away pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, and you know you're spot on, Like I know,
even the boys at Fishing an Outdoor World and other
locations around the place, Like I'm sure you know whether
you're at you know, really at most locations that are
owned by Territorians, or most businesses that are owned by Territorians,
like you've said there.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
You know, you live in this place.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
You want to make sure that you know that you're
not getting something in the hands of the wrong person.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
So most people I think.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Are quite responsible when it comes to those sales.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yes, they've got roots in the ground and families going
to the local schools and the local footy ovals and
all that sort of stuff. Well they're going to be
pretty careful on what they're selling, the amount they're selling
it and who they're selling it to. So yeah, that's
sort of you know, without the owners being put on us.
It's what it is. At the same time, you know,
you take that responsibility on yourself.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
I believe, hey, in terms of how much it's going
to retail for any idea yet how much it is
going to cost, I don't.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Have confirmed numbers, but basically what I sort of ascertain
in WA a ten. So we're allowed in the ordinary
to sell two sizes, a ten gram can and a
forty five gram can. They're the biggest we can do.
And the ten gram can, if you can imagine, would
fit in the palm of your hand quite comfortably and
it would probably not stick past your fingers. It's just
(06:59):
a very can that's going to be about fifty bucks,
and the forty five grand can is going to be
about sixty bucks.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Now, in terms of how many canisters you can buy
at a time, or how many little spray bottles you
can buy at a time, are there any limitations or
what are you guys, how are you.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Guys going to do?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
In chatting with the police, there wasn't actually a limitation
put on it, but we just think in our area
we're just going to say, look, it's one per person,
and yeah, just to go easy at the start because
we obviously, like I said, we don't need it flooding
the streets. We just want to judge slowly how it goes.
And the trial is going to be good on that.
Get the feedback into the town and see what's happening
(07:39):
with it. And I suppose just some information on the
spray as well. It's the smaller can that is ten
grand I think I read it can go it's two
and a half meters, yeah, two meters for two point
five seconds. Yeah. And the forty five grand can I
think it's five meters for about five seconds.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
So it's not like you you know you're going to
be able to go around and spray ten different people
with your OC spray. It's literally like it's an emergency
kind of you know, a button to push.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, And it's not even the fact that you may
have to deploy it. It's the fact that if you
feel unsafe and somebody maybe is coming towards you, you
can say, hey, look i've got OC spray back off, yeah.
Or the other side of it is I run a
lot and I get chased by dogs all the bloody times. Yeah,
and if I ever feel, you know, yeah, if I
ever feel that one of them is undone and one
(08:35):
of them is actually going to have a crack, well,
it's not just forection from people, you know. Animals are
a good one. And my wife won't run in a
certain area of town purely because of the dogs that
are Yep.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
No, it's a fair point, one which I hadn't even
thought of, but a very fair point. Hey, Trent, I
know that you're not an expert when it comes to
OC spray, but we're keen to ask if there's lots
of people asking lots of questions, any idea, whether it's
got like an ex spiry date, is it does it
last only a certain period of time?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
The manufacturer recommendations that I looked on it said twelve
months is a recommended It doesn't actually haven't explored it,
just said twelve months was recommended. And then also once
you do deploy it, it's twelve months basically from that
point on as well. Yeah, so you know, because it
can I did do some reading and you can actually
spray it once and then spray it again, but obviously
(09:26):
you won't know how much is left in it, but
at the same time, after twelve months you should toss
it and get a new one.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, well, Trent, I think it's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
It sounds as though you've got a lot more detail,
you know, in terms of how it's going to roll
out from a retailer perspective. We've certainly got more detail
as well now when you talk about the rollout from
a consumer perspective, and as you rightly pointed out, you know,
not everyone's going to choose to go out and get some,
But it is more about giving people that option if
you are you know, like you or I or your
wife who go running all the time and you are
(09:57):
concerned about your safety if you're running early in the
morning or later in the evening. It's not as if
you're planning on going and using it, but if you
are in a situation that's very dangerous, it gives you
that option, it does.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
It's just another tool there for you that you may
not have had that with you when you're running. Because
what other option did we have as runners to do anything?
Not not just runners? It's all I mean, we keep
bringing up runners, but overall, what other options do you
have apart from walking around. A stick can be used
against you just as well.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Spray can be absolutely and as you've pointed out, which
I think is really interesting is even when you're then
looking at purchasing a knife or you know, or a
gun or not a gun sorry, or you know, a bowl.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
And arrow or I can't think of the correct words.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Clearly I'm not a hunter.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
But you know, but these different processes and in some
cases not quite as stringent. But you know, you sort
of think to yourself, like literally, there's a lot of
other things that can be you used as weapons as well,
even a basic kitchen knife.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
You grab them from a supermarket, you know, and there's
no stringent check out protocols with that stuff. So yeah, look,
I think I'm not fore and against the whole thing.
I'm curious to see how it goes, but I'm excited
for the people who are who in their minds, are
going to feel safer by carrying this product. Yeah, and
if they need to deploy it, well, yeah, it's there,
(11:26):
whether it's a dog or a person.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well, Trent, I'll tell you I reckon.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
We'll probably catch up with you on the first of
September two, mate, to find out how it's going, whether
the sales, whether it's being run off the.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Off the floor or not.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Hopefully we've got enough.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Thank you, thank you, thanks so much for having a
chat with us this morning.
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.