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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now, unfortunately, we continue to speak about the issues being
experienced when it comes to crime and just poor behavior. Now,
my next guest has had a wonderful business in our
CBD since nineteen ninety seven, so for more than twenty years,
Sean Johnson's been operating sealver Toise. He joins me on
the line right now.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Good morning, Sean, Good morning Katy. And I was hoping
that we next time we spoke, we spoke about that
twenty eight years.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
That is such a phenomenal period of time for a
business to operate. I mean, you must have seen some
interesting stuff over those twenty eight years.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I could write a book about it. I'm sure I
reckon you could.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Unfortunately, though, one of the things that you have seen,
and certainly in recent weeks, is senseless vandalism and just
senseless crime. Tell me what happened in recent.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Days, and that's right. We've got a call that front
door has been and I quickly checked out our camera
and sure enough it had and I checked out the
video footage and it was really just someone walking past
who decided I'm just going to kick in this door.
And it nothing to do with the cafe, had nothing
to do with an accident like a trolley or something accidentally.
(01:09):
Someone just decided there's a door, I'm going to kick
it on. Maybe I'm frustrated at life and I'll kick
in the door. And it cracked it. We just had
it replaced and I just got to build this morning.
And it's seven hundred and our dollars.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
That is ridiculous. I mean, you think to yourself, the
number of coffees and that you're selling to pay for
that is a lot. That makes me really angry.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Me too, and a lot of people, you know, they
saw the doors, they came in. It took us two
days to get a door to fix it and what happened.
And I told them and they just said, that's just nuts,
you know, you know, we can all be a little tolerant.
Maybe a trolley accidentally hit it or whatever. The kick
this was senseless. And I put the video up on
the Facebook page and I thought, I'm not over dramatizing this.
Look at it. The person just walked past, kicked the door,
(01:51):
a good couple of good kicks, cracked the glass, and
off they went again. So he had no purpose, had
no ratification. It'll be nothing against them. Probably that's yeah,
you know, and it's.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Just like it's senseless. But the impact on you guys is,
you know, is astronomical. And you're a great local business.
I mean you employ like lots of locals. One of
my my daughter's friends works there with you guys, like
you run a great business. So then having to you know,
to fork out seven hundred bucks to fix a door
that's had like that's no fault of your own is
(02:24):
beyond frustrating.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Look it is, and you're right, we've we've been here
a long time, and I guess you could say I've
had some influences. I've got a doctor that's worked for me.
I've got a chief minister that's worked for me, I've
got teachers. So yes, I've done my bit for the territory.
But this is while it's disheartening, and I don't want
to come across as you know, maybe it's part of
(02:48):
being in the CBD, any CBD, and I know as
a city of wats just grow up. And I do
count friends like Jason Hannah and Jimmy Shue and Danny
Youwan all big restaurant tourism equally get frustrated. But we're
still here, and you know most recently, I stuck my
finger up at this sort of behavior, and I've taken
on a buffet out of the Darwin resort out and
(03:09):
when now we have a Stewart Highway, and said, you
know what, we're going to put something out here, and
we're going to say we're not going to be intimidated
and we're not going to be pushed around, because we
think Darwin deserves the sort of thing. And I consulted
all three people and they said do it, Sean, and
I said, yeah, but it's tough climate and we've got
this antisocial and maybe that area needs something like that.
The curve a little bit of activity. The liquor licensing
(03:31):
came on board and said, we believe that people should
have a drink with their meal. We don't think we
should restrict you. So our local members got one onto
me and said, Sean, if you've got any problems, give
us a call. So there is a lot of positivity around,
but this sort of stuff just kind of negative. Signed
excuse me, and I just don't want us to normalize it.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
No, I think you're spot on, and that is why
you think it needs to be called out. I totally
agree with you. We can't. You know, we can't normalize
this kind of behavior. It's not normal to go and
kick someone's door in That's right. You know, it could
happen in other locations, but unfortunately, this senseless crime we
see all too often in the Northern Territory. I mean,
(04:10):
why do you think it needs to be called out?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
You know, if I'm ever in the car and I
tune in and I listened to you, and I know
that you do your bit as well, and you try
and highlight these things and bring them to attention, so
we really appreciate that. I don't know, I've been in
the territory thirty five years, and I don't know the
iron solution other than we just we've just got to
keep calling it out. We've got to try and hold
(04:34):
people to account. We can't always be soft soft. I
believe everybody deserves a second chance. But if it's going
to be chronic, and you're the kind of person that's
just going to be constantly anti social and assault or
violent or obstructive vandalism, we've just got to have some
mechanism in place that says we don't tolerate that. You know,
and I wish I had a solution. I don't, but
(04:56):
I certainly appreciate people like yourselves and a lot of
the journalists that will bring those to lights so that
we all know about it. And the people that live
out in the suburbs might not know about this. Yeah,
and I wasn't aware of that, you know, on any
given day. You know, I spoke to the McDonald's boys
yesterday and they said that you go one, we get
one almost every month. I'm like, oh, man, really, yeah,
(05:16):
that sucks. So at least we can we can call
it out. And again, we just don't normalize it. Ye'll say, well,
that's part of the darn one and that's part of
the CBD, or that's part of business. No, it's not not.
And everyone pays for it. I'm sure insurance rates go
up and so forth. And I don't want to put
the price of coffee up just because people keep kicking
in doors.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
You know, that's exactly right, exactly right, Sean. Do you
think that the people like do you think in the
instance that you saw most recently and some of the
anti social behavior that you're saying, do you think it's
happening from locals or do you think people are coming
into town from somewhere else. What are you reckons going on?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, I would say it's more that the blowings, I
don't believe. You know, we get to know who's who.
You know, sometimes refer them as the usual suspect, the
ones that we know can be a little bit troublesome.
But this is not them. These are people that have
come in here to just just around a mocker, cause
a bit of trouble. And I if they go again,
and you know, and when you try and talk to
(06:13):
some of the locals that they might say that that's
not us. You know, that's not don't We don't tolerate
that either. But again, how do you how do you
combat that? I don't know. And we've got those that
TPS security guys and they're out there trying their best.
They're not police, they don't try to be policed, but
they try and work with some of these people and say, hey, listen,
you know you can't be doing this stuff. You can't
be loitering in the city. If there's a pack of
(06:34):
young kids, they'll escort them to the bus or two
wherever they've got to go without letting them just loiter
around the CBD and dispensially cause trouble. So we've got
things in place that we're trying to do. Do I
think it's unsafe? No, I don't. I don't think. You know,
we we're in the tourist season now and I get
tourists asking, hey, it's it's safe, and I say, look,
we're one of the loveliest sitting tonight. It's it's just
(06:56):
a beautiful place. And if you see those security guys
there just there to keep that anti social stuff away.
But is it an unsafe city? No, I don't believe
it is. You know, my heart went out to that
the guy up in the nightcliff at that convenience store
that had his life taken that well, just just sad.
I don't have any words for that. But I don't
(07:18):
believe as a whole that we've got an unsafe city.
It's just these sort of things can be fixed. You know,
I've always said this, we the problems that we have
can be fixed.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Just got to find that answer. You know, we're we're
growing up as a city and we just need to
look at those things and how do we address those
things we grow how do we address them.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, good call. Well, Sean, It's lovely to talk to
you this morning. I'm sure we'll talk again very soon,
and no doubt it's some stage on you know. Well
we've we've spoken about some of the positives this morning
as well. But lovely to talk to you this morning,
and no doubt I'll talk to you again.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
So and you take care and thank you so much
for highlighting things for us.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Really love good on your Sean thing. And you you
two
Now, unfortunately, we continue to speak about the issues being
experienced when it comes to crime and just poor behavior. Now,
my next guest has had a wonderful business in our
CBD since nineteen ninety seven, so for more than twenty years,
Sean Johnson's been operating sealver Toise. He joins me on
the line right now.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Good morning, Sean, Good morning Katy. And I was hoping
that we next time we spoke, we spoke about that
twenty eight years.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
That is such a phenomenal period of time for a
business to operate. I mean, you must have seen some
interesting stuff over those twenty eight years.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I could write a book about it. I'm sure I
reckon you could.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Unfortunately, though, one of the things that you have seen,
and certainly in recent weeks, is senseless vandalism and just
senseless crime. Tell me what happened in recent.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Days, and that's right. We've got a call that front
door has been and I quickly checked out our camera
and sure enough it had and I checked out the
video footage and it was really just someone walking past
who decided I'm just going to kick in this door.
And it nothing to do with the cafe, had nothing
to do with an accident like a trolley or something accidentally.
(01:09):
Someone just decided there's a door, I'm going to kick
it on. Maybe I'm frustrated at life and I'll kick
in the door. And it cracked it. We just had
it replaced and I just got to build this morning.
And it's seven hundred and our dollars.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
That is ridiculous. I mean, you think to yourself, the
number of coffees and that you're selling to pay for
that is a lot. That makes me really angry.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Me too, and a lot of people, you know, they
saw the doors, they came in. It took us two
days to get a door to fix it and what happened.
And I told them and they just said, that's just nuts,
you know, you know, we can all be a little tolerant.
Maybe a trolley accidentally hit it or whatever. The kick
this was senseless. And I put the video up on
the Facebook page and I thought, I'm not over dramatizing this.
Look at it. The person just walked past, kicked the door,
(01:51):
a good couple of good kicks, cracked the glass, and
off they went again. So he had no purpose, had
no ratification. It'll be nothing against them. Probably that's yeah,
you know, and it's.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Just like it's senseless. But the impact on you guys is,
you know, is astronomical. And you're a great local business.
I mean you employ like lots of locals. One of
my my daughter's friends works there with you guys, like
you run a great business. So then having to you know,
to fork out seven hundred bucks to fix a door
that's had like that's no fault of your own is
(02:24):
beyond frustrating.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Look it is, and you're right, we've we've been here
a long time, and I guess you could say I've
had some influences. I've got a doctor that's worked for me.
I've got a chief minister that's worked for me, I've
got teachers. So yes, I've done my bit for the territory.
But this is while it's disheartening, and I don't want
to come across as you know, maybe it's part of
(02:48):
being in the CBD, any CBD, and I know as
a city of wats just grow up. And I do
count friends like Jason Hannah and Jimmy Shue and Danny
Youwan all big restaurant tourism equally get frustrated. But we're
still here, and you know most recently, I stuck my
finger up at this sort of behavior, and I've taken
on a buffet out of the Darwin resort out and
(03:09):
when now we have a Stewart Highway, and said, you
know what, we're going to put something out here, and
we're going to say we're not going to be intimidated
and we're not going to be pushed around, because we
think Darwin deserves the sort of thing. And I consulted
all three people and they said do it, Sean, and
I said, yeah, but it's tough climate and we've got
this antisocial and maybe that area needs something like that.
The curve a little bit of activity. The liquor licensing
(03:31):
came on board and said, we believe that people should
have a drink with their meal. We don't think we
should restrict you. So our local members got one onto
me and said, Sean, if you've got any problems, give
us a call. So there is a lot of positivity around,
but this sort of stuff just kind of negative. Signed
excuse me, and I just don't want us to normalize it.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
No, I think you're spot on, and that is why
you think it needs to be called out. I totally
agree with you. We can't. You know, we can't normalize
this kind of behavior. It's not normal to go and
kick someone's door in That's right. You know, it could
happen in other locations, but unfortunately, this senseless crime we
see all too often in the Northern Territory. I mean,
(04:10):
why do you think it needs to be called out?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
You know, if I'm ever in the car and I
tune in and I listened to you, and I know
that you do your bit as well, and you try
and highlight these things and bring them to attention, so
we really appreciate that. I don't know, I've been in
the territory thirty five years, and I don't know the
iron solution other than we just we've just got to
keep calling it out. We've got to try and hold
(04:34):
people to account. We can't always be soft soft. I
believe everybody deserves a second chance. But if it's going
to be chronic, and you're the kind of person that's
just going to be constantly anti social and assault or
violent or obstructive vandalism, we've just got to have some
mechanism in place that says we don't tolerate that. You know,
and I wish I had a solution. I don't, but
(04:56):
I certainly appreciate people like yourselves and a lot of
the journalists that will bring those to lights so that
we all know about it. And the people that live
out in the suburbs might not know about this. Yeah,
and I wasn't aware of that, you know, on any
given day. You know, I spoke to the McDonald's boys
yesterday and they said that you go one, we get
one almost every month. I'm like, oh, man, really, yeah,
(05:16):
that sucks. So at least we can we can call
it out. And again, we just don't normalize it. Ye'll say, well,
that's part of the darn one and that's part of
the CBD, or that's part of business. No, it's not not.
And everyone pays for it. I'm sure insurance rates go
up and so forth. And I don't want to put
the price of coffee up just because people keep kicking
in doors.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
You know, that's exactly right, exactly right, Sean. Do you
think that the people like do you think in the
instance that you saw most recently and some of the
anti social behavior that you're saying, do you think it's
happening from locals or do you think people are coming
into town from somewhere else. What are you reckons going on?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, I would say it's more that the blowings, I
don't believe. You know, we get to know who's who.
You know, sometimes refer them as the usual suspect, the
ones that we know can be a little bit troublesome.
But this is not them. These are people that have
come in here to just just around a mocker, cause
a bit of trouble. And I if they go again,
and you know, and when you try and talk to
(06:13):
some of the locals that they might say that that's
not us. You know, that's not don't We don't tolerate
that either. But again, how do you how do you
combat that? I don't know. And we've got those that
TPS security guys and they're out there trying their best.
They're not police, they don't try to be policed, but
they try and work with some of these people and say, hey, listen,
you know you can't be doing this stuff. You can't
be loitering in the city. If there's a pack of
(06:34):
young kids, they'll escort them to the bus or two
wherever they've got to go without letting them just loiter
around the CBD and dispensially cause trouble. So we've got
things in place that we're trying to do. Do I
think it's unsafe? No, I don't. I don't think. You know,
we we're in the tourist season now and I get
tourists asking, hey, it's it's safe, and I say, look,
we're one of the loveliest sitting tonight. It's it's just
(06:56):
a beautiful place. And if you see those security guys
there just there to keep that anti social stuff away.
But is it an unsafe city? No, I don't believe
it is. You know, my heart went out to that
the guy up in the nightcliff at that convenience store
that had his life taken that well, just just sad.
I don't have any words for that. But I don't
(07:18):
believe as a whole that we've got an unsafe city.
It's just these sort of things can be fixed. You know,
I've always said this, we the problems that we have
can be fixed.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Just got to find that answer. You know, we're we're
growing up as a city and we just need to
look at those things and how do we address those
things we grow how do we address them.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, good call. Well, Sean, It's lovely to talk to
you this morning. I'm sure we'll talk again very soon,
and no doubt it's some stage on you know. Well
we've we've spoken about some of the positives this morning
as well. But lovely to talk to you this morning,
and no doubt I'll talk to you again.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
So and you take care and thank you so much
for highlighting things for us.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Really love good on your Sean thing. And you you
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