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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, as we heard late yesterday, four foreign nationals were
earlier this week found on the Northern Territories Croker Island.
The illegal arrivals say that they paid money to be
taken to Australia. That is according to a report by
the ABC. Now the Northern Land Council has confirmed that
the four men were found on Monday suffering from heat exhaustion.
(00:20):
The NLC and the Australian Border Force have both been
contacted for comment. We have now got a statement from
the NLC, which I'll read for you shortly, but Australian
Border Force had said that they do not confirm.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Or comment on operational matters.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Now joining me live on the line right now is
the Senator for the Northern Territory, just center Nampa, jimpa Price.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Good morning to your Senator.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Now, Senator, we've got you on to talk about Naja,
but I do just want to ask you about this
situation with the arrival of these foreign nationals. I first
learned about their arrival on Croker Island yesterday after I'd
finished the show. Now, not because there was notification from
the authorities or the government, but because other media were
reporting on it, how did you find out about this situation?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I've just as you did through media. And what's concerning
is that this seems to be a regular occurrence under
the Albanize labor government, where it's actually people in remote communities.
I know one of the incidents in Western Australia was
former law force members, original people from that community who
(01:34):
came in contact with those who had got over on
to our through our borders. And this is a similar
sort of situation where this has occurred. Now, what really
concerning is this is you know, this is with the
national security and there's failings, ongoing failings.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Peter Dutton reckon sid Anthony Alberaneze should have been honest
earlier yesterday during media conferences. I mean, should the Prime
Minister have actually told people of their arrival or does
it encourage those people smugglers if they get publicity when
people do arrive on our shores.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Well, I mean, yeah, the Prime Minister needs to be
honest about the fact that he's failing. I mean, this
is the eighth circumstance that we've our borders have been
breached since they became to power. Altogether, it's been twenty
three attempts at people smuggling since they've come to power.
(02:33):
They're failing to keep our borders secure, and they need
to be honest about what they are or aren't doing
in this situation.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Now. I know the NLCS come out this morning they've
said our rangers are the frontline monitors of our coast
and they are in an ideal position to work alongside
the federal government agencies to help address this situation. And
that is why the NLC is continuing to seek better
resources on the ground support for our ranges. What do
you reckon, Senator, Do we need more of our indigenous
(03:05):
ranges out there monitoring the coastline.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Well, look, it is the responsibility of our border force,
and if our border force aren't up to it, then
it shouldn't fall to the rangers to do this actual job.
I mean, we're grateful that they're doing so, but it
shouldn't be their responsibility in the first place. And this
government needs to invest where it's needed, which is to
protect our borders, especially with our geopolitical circumstances at the moment.
(03:31):
But this is also typical of a labor government that
there are those who would wish to cross our borders
illegally that are doing so now because they're in power
and it seems as though it's easier to do this.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
C Do you have any is there any word like
the are these people that were on our on Croker
Island for goodness sake like here in the Northern Territory.
Do we have any idea whether there's still in Australia
or what the latest is.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Well, as much as I've heard that they are no
longer in Australia, but whether they've been taken to a
detention center or whether they've been taken back to their
country of origin, we don't know the details what those
details are, and you know, in a recent Senate estimates
we also found that aerial flying hours and border force
(04:20):
patrols have reduced significantly in the last twelve months and
certainly since Labor've come to power.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Senator.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Let's move along, because I did ask you on the
show this morning. Following that report from The Australian earlier
this week about a NAJA parole officer, Samantha Lampy, being
arrested after she was allegedly found in bed with Jefferson Woody,
who had allegedly removed his electronic angle bracelet and gone
on the run just months after getting out of jail. Now,
(04:48):
miss A Lampy has since been charged for her involvement
in perverting the course of justice and is set to
face the Yella Springs Local Court on January fifteen. She
was stood down from the service on Sunday and then
resigned on Monday. What was your reaction when you heard
about this situation?
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Oh, look, I mean I was in one on one side,
I wasn't shocked because the fact that the Albanezi government
and the Attorney General have really done nothing to sort
the situation out with NAGA and sitting before Minister Mullenderry
McCarthy at senat estimates last Friday, they still seem to
(05:28):
not be interested. You know, the niAA wasn't interested in
actually fixing the situation with NAJA. But it was absolutely
disgraceful and shocking to learn of this latest incident, which
I won't go in too much detail with because it
is before the court. But you know, we have we
had the Attorney General months ago now threatened to actually
(05:50):
do something with NAJA if they didn't improve their circumstances. Well,
they haven't improved. In fact, they've got worse. There's issues
with management to their issues with the leadership. We've still
got mister Woodbury, who was a chair, you know, with
his past in domestic and domestic violence as a perpetrator himself,
(06:14):
who stood down from the chair position, but it still
remains as a director. You know. We've got miss Roses
who's still sitting as the deputy chair of the organization.
Now the Attorney General or the NTG, neither of them
can can dismiss the board. I would urge the board
(06:34):
to consider the fact that they are failing and do
us all a favor and move on. But other than that,
what the Attorney General can do is with whole funding
until they sought themselves out, which is what he threatened
to do but failed to do. Micayla Cash not long
ago sought the a NAO out to hold an order
(06:55):
to forensic ordered into the organization finances. But the order
to General fail to step up. So the government needs
to ensure that that happened.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Why isn't there a forensic orders?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Why?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
You know, like I sort of can't understand why there
isn't greater scrutiny at this point.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Well, I guess you have to put that question question
that I put to the government. At estimates they put
in place six grant controllers to oversee their funding. Whether
that's effective or not, or you know, if an organization
needs grant controllers in place, then evidently, you know, the
(07:33):
leadership needs to be changed and removed. And yes, there
needs to be an ordered of the organization. And really
it is the government up to the government, It's up
to Anthony Company's up to the Attorney General to push
for that to happen. We can only do so much
in opposition, but they're in charge of the situation. They've
allowed these failure to occur on their watch.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Senator, do you think that the federal government would have
intervened further if this wasn't an indigenous organization?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Well, quite probably, I mean, you know they have. It's
the racism of low expectations when it comes to Indigenous
organizations that we allow for these low expectations to continue
the failure of governance. I think we need to take
a serious look at not moving away from ideology to
(08:26):
suggest that it just should be Aboriginal people running these
organizations and put the right person in who can actually
do the job effectively, reduce the outcomes and ensure that
those that are supposed to be served by the organizations
and most vulnerable members of our community are actually appropriately
served as they should be.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Just center, if Peter Dutton becomes the Prime Minister, what
do you think needs to happen with NAJA.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Well, as I said, funding needs needs to be withheld
until they can actually sort themselves out in these circumcs.
There's various different ways to skin a cap. There's other
services that are also there, and perhaps it should be
put out to ten days to who can actually provide
this service appropriately and take care of our vulnerable within
(09:13):
our community. But there are all things that will be
considering going toward the next schedule election, especially when we
continue to see what the's failing to curve.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I mean, just to play Devil's advocate for a moment there,
we know that you know, even with the situation that
NTY legal aidies in at the moment and with the
you know, the ongoing issues that we're experiencing in the
Northern Territory with crime people needing that legal representation, do
you think that that could potentially if you go down
that path, do you reckon that it could potentially wind
(09:42):
up in a situation where people don't have representation and
then they end up getting bailed.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Well, it's already been the situation with NAJA that people
haven't had representation and there are those that have been
sitting in remand as results because of that, or there's
been cases that have just simply been thrown out result
because the judges seen that is just completely unfair that
there are those that haven't had the representation. So this
(10:08):
needs to be restored. The situation this fixed, and it
needs to be fixed yesterday, not you know, we've allowed
to continue this way.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Just Center Nampa.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Jimper Price, Senator for the Northern Territory CLP Senator for
the Northern Territory, really appreciate your time this morning.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Thanks so much for having a chat with me.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Thank you
Well, as we heard late yesterday, four foreign nationals were
earlier this week found on the Northern Territories Croker Island.
The illegal arrivals say that they paid money to be
taken to Australia. That is according to a report by
the ABC. Now the Northern Land Council has confirmed that
the four men were found on Monday suffering from heat exhaustion.
(00:20):
The NLC and the Australian Border Force have both been
contacted for comment. We have now got a statement from
the NLC, which I'll read for you shortly, but Australian
Border Force had said that they do not confirm.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Or comment on operational matters.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Now joining me live on the line right now is
the Senator for the Northern Territory, just center Nampa, jimpa Price.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Good morning to your Senator.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Now, Senator, we've got you on to talk about Naja,
but I do just want to ask you about this
situation with the arrival of these foreign nationals. I first
learned about their arrival on Croker Island yesterday after I'd
finished the show. Now, not because there was notification from
the authorities or the government, but because other media were
reporting on it, how did you find out about this situation?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I've just as you did through media. And what's concerning
is that this seems to be a regular occurrence under
the Albanize labor government, where it's actually people in remote communities.
I know one of the incidents in Western Australia was
former law force members, original people from that community who
(01:34):
came in contact with those who had got over on
to our through our borders. And this is a similar
sort of situation where this has occurred. Now, what really
concerning is this is you know, this is with the
national security and there's failings, ongoing failings.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Peter Dutton reckon sid Anthony Alberaneze should have been honest
earlier yesterday during media conferences. I mean, should the Prime
Minister have actually told people of their arrival or does
it encourage those people smugglers if they get publicity when
people do arrive on our shores.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Well, I mean, yeah, the Prime Minister needs to be
honest about the fact that he's failing. I mean, this
is the eighth circumstance that we've our borders have been
breached since they became to power. Altogether, it's been twenty
three attempts at people smuggling since they've come to power.
(02:33):
They're failing to keep our borders secure, and they need
to be honest about what they are or aren't doing
in this situation.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Now. I know the NLCS come out this morning they've
said our rangers are the frontline monitors of our coast
and they are in an ideal position to work alongside
the federal government agencies to help address this situation. And
that is why the NLC is continuing to seek better
resources on the ground support for our ranges. What do
you reckon, Senator, Do we need more of our indigenous
(03:05):
ranges out there monitoring the coastline.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Well, look, it is the responsibility of our border force,
and if our border force aren't up to it, then
it shouldn't fall to the rangers to do this actual job.
I mean, we're grateful that they're doing so, but it
shouldn't be their responsibility in the first place. And this
government needs to invest where it's needed, which is to
protect our borders, especially with our geopolitical circumstances at the moment.
(03:31):
But this is also typical of a labor government that
there are those who would wish to cross our borders
illegally that are doing so now because they're in power
and it seems as though it's easier to do this.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
C Do you have any is there any word like
the are these people that were on our on Croker
Island for goodness sake like here in the Northern Territory.
Do we have any idea whether there's still in Australia
or what the latest is.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Well, as much as I've heard that they are no
longer in Australia, but whether they've been taken to a
detention center or whether they've been taken back to their
country of origin, we don't know the details what those
details are, and you know, in a recent Senate estimates
we also found that aerial flying hours and border force
(04:20):
patrols have reduced significantly in the last twelve months and
certainly since Labor've come to power.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Senator.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Let's move along, because I did ask you on the
show this morning. Following that report from The Australian earlier
this week about a NAJA parole officer, Samantha Lampy, being
arrested after she was allegedly found in bed with Jefferson Woody,
who had allegedly removed his electronic angle bracelet and gone
on the run just months after getting out of jail. Now,
(04:48):
miss A Lampy has since been charged for her involvement
in perverting the course of justice and is set to
face the Yella Springs Local Court on January fifteen. She
was stood down from the service on Sunday and then
resigned on Monday. What was your reaction when you heard
about this situation?
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Oh, look, I mean I was in one on one side,
I wasn't shocked because the fact that the Albanezi government
and the Attorney General have really done nothing to sort
the situation out with NAGA and sitting before Minister Mullenderry
McCarthy at senat estimates last Friday, they still seem to
(05:28):
not be interested. You know, the niAA wasn't interested in
actually fixing the situation with NAJA. But it was absolutely
disgraceful and shocking to learn of this latest incident, which
I won't go in too much detail with because it
is before the court. But you know, we have we
had the Attorney General months ago now threatened to actually
(05:50):
do something with NAJA if they didn't improve their circumstances. Well,
they haven't improved. In fact, they've got worse. There's issues
with management to their issues with the leadership. We've still
got mister Woodbury, who was a chair, you know, with
his past in domestic and domestic violence as a perpetrator himself,
(06:14):
who stood down from the chair position, but it still
remains as a director. You know. We've got miss Roses
who's still sitting as the deputy chair of the organization.
Now the Attorney General or the NTG, neither of them
can can dismiss the board. I would urge the board
(06:34):
to consider the fact that they are failing and do
us all a favor and move on. But other than that,
what the Attorney General can do is with whole funding
until they sought themselves out, which is what he threatened
to do but failed to do. Micayla Cash not long
ago sought the a NAO out to hold an order
(06:55):
to forensic ordered into the organization finances. But the order
to General fail to step up. So the government needs
to ensure that that happened.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Why isn't there a forensic orders?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Why?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
You know, like I sort of can't understand why there
isn't greater scrutiny at this point.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Well, I guess you have to put that question question
that I put to the government. At estimates they put
in place six grant controllers to oversee their funding. Whether
that's effective or not, or you know, if an organization
needs grant controllers in place, then evidently, you know, the
(07:33):
leadership needs to be changed and removed. And yes, there
needs to be an ordered of the organization. And really
it is the government up to the government, It's up
to Anthony Company's up to the Attorney General to push
for that to happen. We can only do so much
in opposition, but they're in charge of the situation. They've
allowed these failure to occur on their watch.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Senator, do you think that the federal government would have
intervened further if this wasn't an indigenous organization?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Well, quite probably, I mean, you know they have. It's
the racism of low expectations when it comes to Indigenous
organizations that we allow for these low expectations to continue
the failure of governance. I think we need to take
a serious look at not moving away from ideology to
(08:26):
suggest that it just should be Aboriginal people running these
organizations and put the right person in who can actually
do the job effectively, reduce the outcomes and ensure that
those that are supposed to be served by the organizations
and most vulnerable members of our community are actually appropriately
served as they should be.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Just center, if Peter Dutton becomes the Prime Minister, what
do you think needs to happen with NAJA.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Well, as I said, funding needs needs to be withheld
until they can actually sort themselves out in these circumcs.
There's various different ways to skin a cap. There's other
services that are also there, and perhaps it should be
put out to ten days to who can actually provide
this service appropriately and take care of our vulnerable within
(09:13):
our community. But there are all things that will be
considering going toward the next schedule election, especially when we
continue to see what the's failing to curve.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I mean, just to play Devil's advocate for a moment there,
we know that you know, even with the situation that
NTY legal aidies in at the moment and with the
you know, the ongoing issues that we're experiencing in the
Northern Territory with crime people needing that legal representation, do
you think that that could potentially if you go down
that path, do you reckon that it could potentially wind
(09:42):
up in a situation where people don't have representation and
then they end up getting bailed.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Well, it's already been the situation with NAJA that people
haven't had representation and there are those that have been
sitting in remand as results because of that, or there's
been cases that have just simply been thrown out result
because the judges seen that is just completely unfair that
there are those that haven't had the representation. So this
(10:08):
needs to be restored. The situation this fixed, and it
needs to be fixed yesterday, not you know, we've allowed
to continue this way.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Just Center Nampa.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Jimper Price, Senator for the Northern Territory CLP Senator for
the Northern Territory, really appreciate your time this morning.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Thanks so much for having a chat with me.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Thank you
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