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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, look, joining me in the studio and we are
(00:02):
going to talk about some specialist training which is set
to get underway for the Territory Response Group. But there
has been, in fact an incident overnight. And joining me
in the studio is the acting commander from the Specialist
Support Command within the Northern Territory Police, Jack Evans. Good
morning to you. Good morning Katie, Jack, thanks so much
(00:22):
for your time. Now, Unfortunately our Northern Territory Police. You know,
we're due to speak to you about some training exercises
which are happening next week, but your skills had to
be really put to the test overnight by the sounds
of ersh an incident out in Palmerston. Can you tell
me what unfolded?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, certainly, look like you say. Is that at Palmston
yesterday afternoon, just before four o'clock, police attended an address.
They're following up on a previous complaint of domestic violence
as they've attended trying to find the alleged victim from
the matter. Speaking with the mail he denied that she
was at the residence. There was a bit of communication there.
(01:01):
He's escalated, tried to barricade the door, armed himself with
some hot water and thrown that at the police. Police
obviously conmense negotiations as we do, and we were able
to negotiate for her to be able to come out
of the house. She confirmed the complaint, at which time
the mail was informed he would be arrested for a
assault in relation to that domestic Unfortunately, he's decided to
(01:26):
further commit offenses, barricaded himself, armed himself with a knife,
continued to threaten police, throwing some more hot water at police.
Luckily no injuries on the police officers, but it was
hot enough for them to know that there was a
significant risk there, so they've sort of held back, continued negotiations,
and then we've deployed the Territory Response Group to assist
(01:48):
and try and resolve that. So quite a long night.
It was about twelve hours of negotiations before we were
able to resolve the incident.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So yeah, so about twelve hours of negotiating. So over
what period of time was he holding that woman inside
the residents before the police were able to get her out.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I'm not certain on how long exactly. I've got the
information it was a short period, so okay, but when
we talked twelve hours short period.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah it be yeah, it can be short. For the police.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I understand that they were able to get her out
and too safety very quickly, really effective early negotiations from
the attending members. Did a great job managing that situation.
And then we're able to come in with some specialists
over the top and compliment that and successful resolution.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I mean, it sounds like an incredibly dangerous situation, first
off for that female who the police were able to
get out of that home, but then for Northern Territory Police.
So this person was allegedly throwing hot water at the
police and armed with a knife.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yes, that's correct.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I mean, were any of the police officers injured.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
No, The information I've got is that they, like I said,
they weren't injured enough to seek any medical attention, but
the water thrown at them was hot enough to know
that there was a significant risk that they didn't. Obviously,
they needed to make sure that they had distance and
cover and all those sorts of things while they continued
that negotiation, which can be quite hard when someone's barricaded
(03:13):
inside of residence. So again, those guys did a great
job responding in.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Terms of you know what the police had to do
and TRG, the Territory Response Group, Did you have to
sort of cordon off the house, the street how you know,
what was the impact I suppose more broadly.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, Look, we always try to make it so that
it doesn't impact the bigger public. Our priorities are always cordon, contain,
and negotiate. They're our first three.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
We always tried to isolate, contained, negotiat We've got some
safety principles that were well ingrained in our doctrine on
our response. So the most important thing is to reduce
the risk to any other person, to the police, and
to the offender themselves. So yeah, so that's the TRG
they look after that. We call it the inner cordon,
and so they make sure that that's that person's contained
(03:59):
and we can safely negotiate and safely respond without trying
to impact too many other people.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, I mean it does sound like it was a
dangerous situation obviously for that woman and also for the
police responding. I mean like it sounds like it's like
a twelve hour stage that's you know, that is underway
and the police doing everything that you can to make
sure that you know that you get him out safely
and keep your members safe. Just taught me through. Has
(04:25):
that person been charged at this port in time.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
I haven't got information on whether it's been charged. I
know that once he was taken into custody, he was
transported with Sin Johnson Police for evaluations. Yeah, health assessments. Obviously,
we want to make sure that that's all sort of
before we go ahead with charges. But he can expect
to be charged with a number of offenses. But yeah,
(04:49):
at this stage.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
That's all right. Well, I'm sure we'll get some further
info from the police as any charges do get laid now. Yeah,
like I say, it sounds like a a tough situation
for the police, but working incredibly carefully, by the sounds
of it as well, to try to make sure that
that situation was no risk to the broader public. The
(05:11):
police officers haven't been injured, which is a good thing,
despite the fact that he's allegedly throwing hot water at them.
I do hope that that that woman is okay as well.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, definitely, And you know that's always our priority is
the safety of the victims and all the bystanders. But
I also look at a shout out to the guys
from the TRG as well. It started at four o'clock
in the afternoon, so that had already done a full
shift and then they were on site for another twelve
hours just making sure that everyone was safe. So that's
the attending General Duties Police, the PFCs, all of the
(05:46):
different people involved. Really long day, but just the professionalism
that displayed. And I was on the phone to quite
a bit overnight about it, and yes, hats off there
one involved.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, absolutely well done. Well done to the Northern Territory Police.
Now Jack, I've got you on to talk about the
exercises that are going to be coming up next week.
It sounds like you guys are well and truly putting
those skills into play. But you've got some fairly extensive
training exercises which are going to be happening this week.
It follows on from you know, you were able or
(06:18):
the TRG were able to use our old building on
PII straight a little while back to get some exercises
happening there. What are you going to get underway with
this week?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, And like you say, we do try and do
this sort of functional training a lot so that when
the jobs do come in we can do the twenty
four hour shift and maintain full situational awareness. So this
one this week, what we're focusing on is two separate
elements that are going to sort of be combined. So
within the Northern Turedi Police, we look after dignitary protection,
(06:47):
So if we have a VIP come in, we look
after their safety or close personal protection or it's known
for a different number of names. So we're testing our
capability and responding when our VIP is attacked. So that's
one part of it. And then the other part of
it is that it's going to be in a crowded place.
So crowded places are inherently dangerous, significant threat for terrorist attacks,
(07:11):
so that's one of the things we like to train significantly.
So the two parts of it is overcoming the active
defender in the crowded place of which the dignitary will
be attending. So we're resolving a number of situations all
coming together. So yeah, it's going to be a really
big exercise.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Are you able to say where it's happening or not
really at this point?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
No, Look, I will say where it's happening because there
may be some minor disruptions to the traffic. So we'll
be down at the waterfront at the Convention Center and
we're going to kick off around eighteen hundred till about ninety.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Six, so that's this Thursday's tomorrow night tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So we're trying not to block off the road. We
don't because it's all going to be contained inside, but
we will have some parameters with our stuff there so
are so people don't come in and sticky beak. As
much as I'm sure everyone would like to, it's just
not something that we can maintain.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
With the safety no well, and it's probably one of
those things much like when the exercise happened at Pierre Street,
we knew there was going to be noises and things
going off, so it was good for people to know
what was going on so that they don't think that
there is something dangerous occurring in police training.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
And this one, there's not going to be in explosions,
but people will likely hear some yelling and shouting and gunshots.
So I will say we're going to be briefing up
through our communications center. We're going to go back with
police media. We're going to try and get that messaging
out as current as we can.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
But yeah, so if you're in the waterfront vicinity, do
not be alarmed. Tomorrow evening there is some training happening
the Northern Territory Police doing some really important training the TRG.
It sounds like it'll be an interesting scenario and interesting
way to I guess, but most realistic way possible to
try and get that training for our police.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, definitely. And that's we call these functional or drill
style exercises. And that is essentially because thankfully we don't
have to do this day in day out. We like
to train for it day in day out, so that
when it does happen, we can do it as professionally,
competently and or safely as possible and hopefully touch well,
we'll never have to worry about it and we can
(09:24):
focus on training. But until that time, we're going to
keep doing these sorts of big style exercises. This one's
particularly big. We're looking around one hundred and fifty role players.
Oh wow, you know, to really simulate that crowded place. Yeah. Yeah,
And the difficulty is that that many people upset, nervous
and scared present to police when they try.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Have you've done an exercise of this magnitude before? With
that many people we have, but it.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Hasn't been for a long time. Yeah. So the other
part of this is bringing in all the other areas,
our forensics, our major crime and all the recovery police elements,
because obviously there's response, but recovery is a huge part
for police as well. So bringing them involved, getting them
to have a look at, looking for their insight, and
then lessons learned and development of the next big one.
(10:12):
Laid it down the track.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Well, it sounds like it is going to be very interesting,
so if you're around the waterfront area, do not be alarmed.
The Northern Territory Police obviously going to be undertaking the
exercise tomorrow evening. Acting Commander Jack Evans really appreciate your
time this morning. Thank you so much for joining us
in the studio.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Thank you
Well, look, joining me in the studio and we are
(00:02):
going to talk about some specialist training which is set
to get underway for the Territory Response Group. But there
has been, in fact an incident overnight. And joining me
in the studio is the acting commander from the Specialist
Support Command within the Northern Territory Police, Jack Evans. Good
morning to you. Good morning Katie, Jack, thanks so much
(00:22):
for your time. Now, Unfortunately our Northern Territory Police. You know,
we're due to speak to you about some training exercises
which are happening next week, but your skills had to
be really put to the test overnight by the sounds
of ersh an incident out in Palmerston. Can you tell
me what unfolded?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, certainly, look like you say. Is that at Palmston
yesterday afternoon, just before four o'clock, police attended an address.
They're following up on a previous complaint of domestic violence
as they've attended trying to find the alleged victim from
the matter. Speaking with the mail he denied that she
was at the residence. There was a bit of communication there.
(01:01):
He's escalated, tried to barricade the door, armed himself with
some hot water and thrown that at the police. Police
obviously conmense negotiations as we do, and we were able
to negotiate for her to be able to come out
of the house. She confirmed the complaint, at which time
the mail was informed he would be arrested for a
assault in relation to that domestic Unfortunately, he's decided to
(01:26):
further commit offenses, barricaded himself, armed himself with a knife,
continued to threaten police, throwing some more hot water at police.
Luckily no injuries on the police officers, but it was
hot enough for them to know that there was a
significant risk there, so they've sort of held back, continued negotiations,
and then we've deployed the Territory Response Group to assist
(01:48):
and try and resolve that. So quite a long night.
It was about twelve hours of negotiations before we were
able to resolve the incident.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So yeah, so about twelve hours of negotiating. So over
what period of time was he holding that woman inside
the residents before the police were able to get her out.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I'm not certain on how long exactly. I've got the
information it was a short period, so okay, but when
we talked twelve hours short period.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah it be yeah, it can be short. For the police.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I understand that they were able to get her out
and too safety very quickly, really effective early negotiations from
the attending members. Did a great job managing that situation.
And then we're able to come in with some specialists
over the top and compliment that and successful resolution.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I mean, it sounds like an incredibly dangerous situation, first
off for that female who the police were able to
get out of that home, but then for Northern Territory Police.
So this person was allegedly throwing hot water at the
police and armed with a knife.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yes, that's correct.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I mean, were any of the police officers injured.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
No, The information I've got is that they, like I said,
they weren't injured enough to seek any medical attention, but
the water thrown at them was hot enough to know
that there was a significant risk that they didn't. Obviously,
they needed to make sure that they had distance and
cover and all those sorts of things while they continued
that negotiation, which can be quite hard when someone's barricaded
(03:13):
inside of residence. So again, those guys did a great
job responding in.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Terms of you know what the police had to do
and TRG, the Territory Response Group, Did you have to
sort of cordon off the house, the street how you know,
what was the impact I suppose more broadly.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, Look, we always try to make it so that
it doesn't impact the bigger public. Our priorities are always cordon, contain,
and negotiate. They're our first three.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
We always tried to isolate, contained, negotiat We've got some
safety principles that were well ingrained in our doctrine on
our response. So the most important thing is to reduce
the risk to any other person, to the police, and
to the offender themselves. So yeah, so that's the TRG
they look after that. We call it the inner cordon,
and so they make sure that that's that person's contained
(03:59):
and we can safely negotiate and safely respond without trying
to impact too many other people.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, I mean it does sound like it was a
dangerous situation obviously for that woman and also for the
police responding. I mean like it sounds like it's like
a twelve hour stage that's you know, that is underway
and the police doing everything that you can to make
sure that you know that you get him out safely
and keep your members safe. Just taught me through. Has
(04:25):
that person been charged at this port in time.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
I haven't got information on whether it's been charged. I
know that once he was taken into custody, he was
transported with Sin Johnson Police for evaluations. Yeah, health assessments. Obviously,
we want to make sure that that's all sort of
before we go ahead with charges. But he can expect
to be charged with a number of offenses. But yeah,
(04:49):
at this stage.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
That's all right. Well, I'm sure we'll get some further
info from the police as any charges do get laid now. Yeah,
like I say, it sounds like a a tough situation
for the police, but working incredibly carefully, by the sounds
of it as well, to try to make sure that
that situation was no risk to the broader public. The
(05:11):
police officers haven't been injured, which is a good thing,
despite the fact that he's allegedly throwing hot water at them.
I do hope that that that woman is okay as well.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, definitely, And you know that's always our priority is
the safety of the victims and all the bystanders. But
I also look at a shout out to the guys
from the TRG as well. It started at four o'clock
in the afternoon, so that had already done a full
shift and then they were on site for another twelve
hours just making sure that everyone was safe. So that's
the attending General Duties Police, the PFCs, all of the
(05:46):
different people involved. Really long day, but just the professionalism
that displayed. And I was on the phone to quite
a bit overnight about it, and yes, hats off there
one involved.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, absolutely well done. Well done to the Northern Territory Police.
Now Jack, I've got you on to talk about the
exercises that are going to be coming up next week.
It sounds like you guys are well and truly putting
those skills into play. But you've got some fairly extensive
training exercises which are going to be happening this week.
It follows on from you know, you were able or
(06:18):
the TRG were able to use our old building on
PII straight a little while back to get some exercises
happening there. What are you going to get underway with
this week?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, And like you say, we do try and do
this sort of functional training a lot so that when
the jobs do come in we can do the twenty
four hour shift and maintain full situational awareness. So this
one this week, what we're focusing on is two separate
elements that are going to sort of be combined. So
within the Northern Turedi Police, we look after dignitary protection,
(06:47):
So if we have a VIP come in, we look
after their safety or close personal protection or it's known
for a different number of names. So we're testing our
capability and responding when our VIP is attacked. So that's
one part of it. And then the other part of
it is that it's going to be in a crowded place.
So crowded places are inherently dangerous, significant threat for terrorist attacks,
(07:11):
so that's one of the things we like to train significantly.
So the two parts of it is overcoming the active
defender in the crowded place of which the dignitary will
be attending. So we're resolving a number of situations all
coming together. So yeah, it's going to be a really
big exercise.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Are you able to say where it's happening or not
really at this point?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
No, Look, I will say where it's happening because there
may be some minor disruptions to the traffic. So we'll
be down at the waterfront at the Convention Center and
we're going to kick off around eighteen hundred till about ninety.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Six, so that's this Thursday's tomorrow night tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So we're trying not to block off the road. We
don't because it's all going to be contained inside, but
we will have some parameters with our stuff there so
are so people don't come in and sticky beak. As
much as I'm sure everyone would like to, it's just
not something that we can maintain.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
With the safety no well, and it's probably one of
those things much like when the exercise happened at Pierre Street,
we knew there was going to be noises and things
going off, so it was good for people to know
what was going on so that they don't think that
there is something dangerous occurring in police training.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
And this one, there's not going to be in explosions,
but people will likely hear some yelling and shouting and gunshots.
So I will say we're going to be briefing up
through our communications center. We're going to go back with
police media. We're going to try and get that messaging
out as current as we can.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
But yeah, so if you're in the waterfront vicinity, do
not be alarmed. Tomorrow evening there is some training happening
the Northern Territory Police doing some really important training the TRG.
It sounds like it'll be an interesting scenario and interesting
way to I guess, but most realistic way possible to
try and get that training for our police.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, definitely. And that's we call these functional or drill
style exercises. And that is essentially because thankfully we don't
have to do this day in day out. We like
to train for it day in day out, so that
when it does happen, we can do it as professionally,
competently and or safely as possible and hopefully touch well,
we'll never have to worry about it and we can
(09:24):
focus on training. But until that time, we're going to
keep doing these sorts of big style exercises. This one's
particularly big. We're looking around one hundred and fifty role players.
Oh wow, you know, to really simulate that crowded place. Yeah. Yeah,
And the difficulty is that that many people upset, nervous
and scared present to police when they try.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Have you've done an exercise of this magnitude before? With
that many people we have, but it.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Hasn't been for a long time. Yeah. So the other
part of this is bringing in all the other areas,
our forensics, our major crime and all the recovery police elements,
because obviously there's response, but recovery is a huge part
for police as well. So bringing them involved, getting them
to have a look at, looking for their insight, and
then lessons learned and development of the next big one.
(10:12):
Laid it down the track.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Well, it sounds like it is going to be very interesting,
so if you're around the waterfront area, do not be alarmed.
The Northern Territory Police obviously going to be undertaking the
exercise tomorrow evening. Acting Commander Jack Evans really appreciate your
time this morning. Thank you so much for joining us
in the studio.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Thank you
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