The Week That Was – 2nd June 2023

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And joining us in the studio this morning. It is
time for the week that was. We have got Marie
Claire Boothby from the COLP. Good morning to you.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Good morning Katie and to your listeners.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Great have you in the studio. We've got Kezia Puric,
the member for Goida, Good morning to you.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Oh morning Bush people right on.

Speaker 4 (00:19):
The ball, Good morning caller.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
And Brent Potter, Labour's rep for Fanny Bay, Good morning
to you. Now we do start this morning with some
terrible news. In fact, we learned overnight that a young
child has died in a structure fire that occurred in
Alice Springs earlier yesterday. So just after ten thirty in
the morning, emergency services were called to a structure fire

(00:41):
in Lara Pinta following reports that a person was trapped
inside the residence.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
It is absolutely tragic.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Unfortunately that child did not respond to medical intervention and
passed away. I know that Northern Territory Fire and Rescue
and Emergency Services personnel arrived at the scene and that
residence was engulfed in flames. Firefighters entered the property and
located the unresponsive child and attempted to revive the child.
Through CPR. It is every family's worst nightmare.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
It is, Katie, and I think, you know, my heart
absolutely goes out to the family and the whole community really,
but I mean imagine being those first responders and having
to deal with that. It's just a task that you
cannot imagine. Yeah, there's is really no words, no.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Very sad for everyone all around.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Basically, Yeah, it absolutely is and unfortunately not the only
terrible incident that's occurred in Alice Springs because also Northern
Territory Police are investigating the stabbing of a person on
the northern end of Todd Street that.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Occurred yesterday afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
So emergency services quickly responded to the scene and the
victim was transported to Alice Springs Hospital in a critical condition. However,
died as a result of his injuries. A male is
in custody assisting the police with their inquiries, and police
say that they're investigating the circumstances surrounding the incident and
would like to speak to any witnesses that were in

(02:07):
the vicinity of the northern end of Todd Strait at
the intersection of Will's Terrace between three and three point
thirty in the afternoon.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
Absolutely terrible stuff.

Speaker 5 (02:18):
Town's hurting. Clearly, it's been a tragic twenty four hours
for them and now police are investigating. They've got someone
in custody, I believe. But at the end of the day,
it's tragic and it shouldn't be happening now when that
person goes before the court. The courts just need to
start sentencing in according to community expectation. This person needs
to go to jail, needs to send a message to people,
does it?

Speaker 3 (02:36):
And I think I know the government. I think the
Attorney General in last sittings at some stage or perhaps
on a I think it was Chancey Pake said that
the government was looking at perhaps changing laws in regards
to carrying of knives like Scotland and other places where
you know Scotland, as people listeners will remember, Scotland was
the biggest murder place in the world and it was

(02:58):
mostly from knife attacks. So if we can look at
something similar, not only the legislation but also education to
have it as an offense if you are carrying a
knife of any description, that's a good point. Yeah, you've
got to have both. You can't just I mean, yeah, sure,
black people on the head with the legislation. But along
the way, we've got to get people to stop using

(03:19):
knives or edge weapons as some people like to call it. Yeah,
and it's become a weapon of not only choice, it's
just a weapon.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
It's just is and it's just absolutely stucial.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
You know, you can't carry knives of that description, you know,
like what that's eight inches nine inches long? Pocket knives
for work that kind of thing is different. You know,
cattle station people often have a pocket knife kind of
knife or fishing people's that's different and laws can accommodate that,
as they have in Scotland, but we've got to stop
people carrying these kind of weapons on their person and
the street.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
And obviously a full investigation to go ahead with what
has happened in our Springs yesterday afternoon with this stabbing incident.
But we're also of the understanding that a female paramedic
was assaulted then while treating the victim. She's had to
then go to hospital and has had treatment then, as
I understand it, had to go back and have further treatment.

(04:10):
So I do hope that that that paramedic is okay,
But you know the fact is here we've got really
violent situations. To have a knife, for somebody to be
allegedly killed, you know, with a knife again on the
streets of the Northern Territory is horrendous. And I just
can't understand when we got to a point here in

(04:30):
the Northern Territory or you know more generally around the
world where you're carrying knives and you're prepared to hurt
somebody with them.

Speaker 5 (04:37):
If you read the UK stor, you're right, there has
been a fundamental shift, like it never used to be
a thing like you hear about it, but it was
never as common and it's it's tragically of course, found
or die. But now we used to carry that, We
used to carry them obviously when we would go field
with military. But you know, there's been a shift, and
we saw a young mother killed in Queensland. We saw

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a three year old only in New South Wales yesterday
when you go have a look at that knife attack,
there was stabbing, and then you've had the young boy
in Victoria. It is happening across Australia. And when you
read the UK strategy, about sixty percent of people when
they interviewed them said they carry for protection. Now that's
just that's crazy. What I mean, you should carry a
knife for protection is a joke.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Well, it's an absolute joke.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
The authorities always say don't carry because it can be
used against ye.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
And we've committed to a knife strategy. You'll see that
coming out. We have committed to finish the Bar Review
Task Force and listen, I'll be honest if I'll be
the biggest advocate in that. I make this commitment Cady
that if it comes out and sees that we need
to make fundamental changes for people around bail who are
continually going and breaching their bar with knives, then we'll
do that. We've said that as a gun we will.
So we need to go through the machinations of that.
We need to get the advice back from the department agencies.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
But once it is made far away from that because
it's you know, like the thing is, we're in a
state of emergency when you talk about knife crime in
the Northern Territory. Now we have had a situation where
we have had this will a number of people killed.
When you're to a knife, the call it as it is,
that's a murdered And this is the thing I know
that in this situation there is obviously yet to be charges.

(06:08):
We don't know exactly what's going on, but what point
does the Northern Territory government go. My goodness, we actually
have to rush ahead really quickly and get this right.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
With the serious concerns that we've got around knives being
carried around.

Speaker 5 (06:22):
I think the problem, though, Katie, comes with all of
this is no criminal commits and offense thinking of the outcome.
They all think they're not they're going to get away
with it, and unfortunately they all know that if they
do get caught, they're going to jail. So it's five
or ten years, it doesn't change them. I think your
points bang on, Keysier. I remember we had the one
punch problems in Victoria when I was a young I
was eighteen nineteen going out and people were being killed.
They've been hit from behind. There's been a massive push

(06:43):
around education for that to result in in the name
of it and Danny Green getting involved. I actually think,
and this will potentially come out in the strategy that
we need to be doing work in schools and showing kids, hey,
if this is what you think is appropriate, and bringing
this out in the public, this is the outcoming.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
You get those constables.

Speaker 5 (06:59):
We have them now. Dar in the county was walking around, KAYLEI.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Like, I hear what everybody is saying here. But I mean,
you and I have spoken about these serious incidences that
have happened that every time I listen to your show,
territorians are just hurting out there and they are really fearful,
and this is just another attack. I mean, the fact
that the police and first responders had to attend to
a child who had died and they're not long after

(07:25):
go to another stabbing where the man has bled out
to death what we need today. And I know for
a fact that right now Bill Yan and Jared Mayley
from the cop opposition are going to do a press
conference calling on Natasha Files to hold an emergency press conference,
an urgent one, really outlining exactly what changes are going

(07:48):
to happen that can happen today that will make the
community feel safer. I mean, sure, we've got reviews under way,
we don't know how long that's going to take. There's
lots of talk about it, but this needs an absolute
urgent response. We have territories that are at their wits
end and people are dying.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
My understanding is that when the review was called. It
was after the tragic loss of Declan Lavity. Since then,
we have also we've now seen what's unfolded yesterday. We've
also though had the tragic death of Seafash that was
not involving an eaged weapon, but certainly an incredibly brutal attack.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
And in each instance, Katie, we haven't seen the leadership
that we need from the Chief Minister. I mean, true
leaders will go and speak to the people, the families
that are involved, and they will hear from them. I
mean the Chief Minister, she just goes into hiding. After
the murder on the Esplanade. It took days for her
to come out and make a statement of any kind

(08:47):
of comment. I don't recall her doing that about Declan
Lavity at all. And so really this happened yesterday. Today
is the perfect time for her to come out and
hold that emergency press conference and really explained to territories
we can't afford them and X to go into hiding again.
I mean, where's the police minister. We haven't heard from her.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
God were points where we do need to know exactly
what is going to happen in moving forward. I understand
that it's going to take time with, you know, with
a knife crime strategy.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
But we are at the point where territorians are dying.
Katie a solution right now.

Speaker 5 (09:19):
The solution right now is getting more cops back to
work on the beat, more resources, so more police.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
And Michael Worth say that because we've all been calling
for more police from Micham.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
So you're saying they need to get back to work.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
I think with a changing leadership, I think Michael Murphy
is doing a great job getting people back to work.
The reality was, and you've heard the numbers, it's fluctuated
from anywhere from one fifty to six hundred. You know,
I've heard three hundred. Let's work on a number just
here right.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Now, three hundred.

Speaker 5 (09:41):
We need to get them back to work. That's almost
the size of the Alic Springs police station. There was
clearly a cultural issue. They were unhappy for a variety
of reasons. He's doing amazing work getting people back to work. Now.
You know, that's not for me to say how many
he's got, but that's for him to come out and
talk about it. But I know, talking to police officers
that are at the school and around my community going
yet we're seeing more people that.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
You're saying that now though, because we've been hearing for
so long from the Northern Territory government that we've got
more police than ever before, in a greater investment than
ever before. But the fact is we've had a huge
number of the haven't been working.

Speaker 5 (10:10):
The key there you made those Katie, we do have
more police funded. So we've funded more police than we
ever have in the budget.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
And if they're not on the ground patrolling, it doesn't
really make a difference to everyday people.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
I was about to get to is we had to
get through an EBA. There's some things in there that
needed to be amended to get a better outcome for
the resources that we're funding, and also to better support
those officers that are turning up to work now, getting
those officers that we've paid for or that you either
can return to work getting back to work those that can't,
we need to find a way to get them into
other employments so we can free that resource up to
backfill and recruit into it.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
So you know, there's the government. Any government can bring
in urgent legislation and have it in the House and
passed in one day.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Absolutely we've done it before.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
We've done it again.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Lots of governments to it all around the countryside. It's
not unusual. And yes, when you have urgent legislation you
do sometimes run the risk of not having full and
comprehensive consultation. So that's the first thing the government could
bring in legislation. I know we've got estimates, but they
could bring it. The second thing is Parliament can be
recalled to deal with urgent legislators for a day or

(11:11):
even two days. Yes, it was recalled something to do
with COVID, So certainly the mechanisms are there, the pathway
is there to do this, to bring in urgent legislation
to address some of the issues we're all referred to.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
Legislation is going to work right now because the legislation
that you're proposing is for when someone commits the crime,
then they're not given there. There's just no chance of
getting BALID that's already in place.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
So what do we do just on our head?

Speaker 5 (11:33):
But I guess the point I'm making Cad is there's
a whole bunch of operational stuff that's occurring right now.
If the police comes and say we need X, Y
and Z, well's a government we're going to listen to
them and give them what they need like it's not
and if the health sector says the same thing. But
legislation and you know what the CLP is proposing only
works once the person's committed the crime. We need to
get community. But it's not about My point view is

(11:54):
it's not a legislation issue. It is about getting more
resources out in the ground and changing people's minds about
carrying night.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
I think it's picking kids up off the shoe.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
It's all of it, like we've always said, the social
issues we have in the territory, but the fact that
we're not the only ones happy.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Pick them up, whether it be police or someone else,
pick them up, take them somewhere safe and keep them
there until absolutely need.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
To hear from the leadership though, I mean, are actually
quite different to what I hear from the Police minister.
When she does, people are going to be definitely very
different from what the Chief Minister says. I mean she
was talking where and tear.

Speaker 5 (12:30):
And other people were where and tear infrastructure.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
It is very different between these labor I do.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
I do think what people want to see is some
serious leadership from the Northern Territory government.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
Right now.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
We cannot be in a situation where lives continue to
be lost at the hands of people allegedly using knives
to hurt each other.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
It is not good enough. But it's not just knives.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
We are in a situation where we have had some
terribly violent crime in the Northern Territory. We're all sick
to death of it. We have all had a gutfull.
We want to see action. We want to see the
chiefness of a stand up. That's right, and we'll get
onto that in a moment, but we want to see
some action. I understand that this review is underway into
knife crime, but there will be a lot of people

(13:14):
questioning this morning just how long that is going to
take and how long it's going to take for the
Northern Territory government too, really not just talk tough on crime,
but actually take.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Some action that the community expects.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Katie. Where there's a will, there's a way. I mean, yes,
it may mean extra workloads and extra extra resources required
for whether it be parliamentary counsel or people in the
public service who are reviewing this on developing these strategies,
but where there's a will, there is a way. So
if government and the relevant ministers say or cabinet makes
a decision, this is what we're going to do. Make

(13:46):
it happen as they say, make it so such.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
As far batful safe. People feel safest when they see
police officers driving around. People feel safest when they don't
see any social behavior in front of them every day.
And that's why I'm saying you can put all the
legislation want in front of it. It's only after the
fact that something's happened.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Let's think it's I think it's a too pronged approach.
I think can actually have to do all of those things.
You can walk into gum at the Centimentally.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
I think we've done the right piece of legislation in
relation to the tragic death of deck one. I think
we're there. It's now about running that through and having
the resources to go out, tip out grog enforce DeVos
with no association.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
And send them to EMU.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
What is it.

Speaker 5 (14:23):
Not search people that you know, you believe may have
a knife, remove that from them going You know, police
do an amazing job. They know what they need to do.
We just need when they ask for resources. If they
come to us and say that that's what'll give them.
And Michael Murphy's now in the chair and he's doing
amazing work getting people back to work.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
So if they ask for the Federal Police to come
in and give them support to do some of those
other types of tasks so they can do those things
that you're talking about, is that something that you would
support because this government has definitely not supported that at
any time in the past.

Speaker 5 (14:50):
Modern that's not the request that's come from anti police.
Now if they come to us and say we need
the Australian Federal Police to come in, obviously the Minister
and the Chief will assess that. And you know what,
if that's what they're asking for, and that's what we're wide.
That's not been put to.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Us anyone that comes in anyone in the Corona for that,
but every other jurisdiction needs that.

Speaker 5 (15:08):
That plus more like.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
We need a stop gap right now so the Territorians
can feel safe, especially in terms of their lives.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
Get the three hundred back to work or thereabouts, get
those three hundred officers chance.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
To help us out with this the office and going
back to work.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
That's the easiest way because we've recruited them, they've gone
through training, they understand the system. We need to find
out why they're not coming back to work and do
what we can to make them feel appreciated and get
back in the same.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Look, we are going to have to take a very
short break, but when we come back, I am keen
to talk about the situation that we've seen unfolding Catherine
in recent days and also are the terrible situation that
we were told about by our our transport workers union
around bus driver safety that's coming your way in just
a couple of moments right here on Mixed one O
four nine's three sixty. If you've just joined us this
morning in the studio with me is Marie Claire Booth,

(15:54):
be Keasier Puric and Brent Potter, and we know that
throughout the week. Well, actually as we got off, as
we finished the week that was on Friday last week,
I started to learn more details about a number of
businesses that have been broken into in Catherine. It happened
last Thursday night early Friday morning. A number of businesses targeted.
We had caught up with at least two of those

(16:17):
who were really absolutely devastated and distraught about the situation
that they'd endured yesterday We spoke with Trent DeWit about
what is unfolded throughout the week talked to Joe Hersey
and there is claims that over the course of the
weekend these youth were causing havoc. There was rocks thrown

(16:37):
at businesses, cars, caravans as well in Railway Terrace and
on the Victoria Highway, trying to smash windows, running through woolies,
causing problems for staff and shoppers. The local members says
that there are not enough police in Catherine. That was
what Joe Hersey had told us on the show. I'm
keen to get everybody's take on the situation in Catherine.
It does seem as though they're going through really bad

(17:00):
situation right now. Someone might Trent do with He speaks
to us regularly and he's such a positive bloke and
just said we just need this sort of like we
just it's a dark cloud over Catherine.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Well, it's just and someone's I think it might have
been Robin Lamley. She said it comes from a movie
and it's coming your way, you know, like what Alice
has gone through over the last three to five years
or two to four years, whatever it is. Then it's
Bunny hopped into Tenant and Tennant's had their problems. But
I just gave the story. I have my sister and
her hobb. We were told don't leave your van in

(17:33):
town and go south. And now it's Catherine's turn. I mean, Darhne. Yes,
we've got it from there, but now Catherine, the word
is spread. The word is spread amongst these these people
with their social media networks and connections. This is what
you do, Keiths, get out there and have fun, smash rocks,
steal rob whatever, like people breaking into Casuarina and getting
into Hoskins Juelie and stealing probably nice watches and donadque

(17:56):
you know. So I think that, I mean they do
it at night, that's the first thing. Usually, not always,
but usually, and the police and all those other agencies
are flat out. But I think those young people have
to be picked up. They have to be picked up.
If they catch them, that's good. But don't send them
back to their homes because clearly they don't want to
be in their homes for whatever reason. Direct them, process them,

(18:19):
direct them to stay at this seven EMU place whatever
it is or something similar.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
Doesn't even know why.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Seven EMU station Brent, do you know why it's not
being used at this point in time?

Speaker 5 (18:28):
Not at the moment went I went through their last
for a fish and trip he was He actually had
people there at the time, young youth that was probably
about two years ago before all this. So yeah, I
can find out for you.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Ask well, I think that if we've got a facility
where we can actually have children going out there, you know,
getting some getting some various training.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
I mean, the government talks about this quote wrap around services,
which I've yet to work out what it is, a
bit like glad rap. But if these people are the
age that we're being told they are, clearly they don't
want to be in their homes. So and we know
a lot of them come from dysfunctional homes, So I
think we need to start to which probably already are.
I get it, it's complex, I get it, it's complicated.

(19:08):
But the bottom line is these kids have to be
picked up and taken off thus streets and put into
care somewhere. And if people think that stolen generation, well
tough luck, because these kids are not doing the right
thing by themselves, and they're not doing the right thing
by our community by any standard.

Speaker 5 (19:23):
And you're right. It is evident that when the youth
get picked up by police or whatever service it is,
they shouldn't be handing it release in the back of
the house without that responsible I don't now. In Alice,
I think it was a couple of months ago the
Minister of the Territory Family is also the mess of Police,
announced that they would be implementing a service delivery model
where police picked them up, they'd stay there that evening.
The next morning territory families would go around with the

(19:43):
child to the house and start that assessment. Now, I'm
happy to take that on notice and come back and
see where that's at in terms of numbers and KPIs, etc.
You know, at the end of the day, Keys, You're
absolutely right. Kids are doing this because they don't want
to be at home, you know. But when they do
get caught and they do go before the courts, you know,
it is incumbent of the judges to consider everything and
community safety and something getting that right.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
What happens if they are children that are in the
care of territory families and.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Already well they're not been cared for very well, are they.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
That is a question that some people are starting to
ask now they are if they're out of home care.
And I have spoken to people who work in that
sector who say, Katie, our hands are tied. We've got
kids that you know that are in there, behaving themselves
relatively well, and then somebody comes round in a stolen
car and off they all head them up.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
Correct. So what I would say is the outer home
care piece is just like very simplically, it's the same
as if your parents aren't capable, we're putting in another
home environment and the parent being government and then the
care provider. Where we do see the benefit is Babasist
Accommodation now salt Bush a couple of months ago. That
is a fantastic facility and the results they get are amazing.
Where the courts need to be sending some more to

(20:53):
salt Bush rather than putting back in home care. Salt
Bush provides the mechanism and it is a facility, is
that it is a locked facility and stop people from leaving,
but they have less absconding. And I think that sometimes
we've got these programs that we're paying for, but they're
just not being outtaken by the courts. In some instances,
police are doing their job. We're putting the money into
the resources and no other times that the court you know,
puts the kids into the right programs in the right

(21:15):
places so that they are set up best to succeed.
Putting them back in the same environment after they've offended
doesn't help.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
It is not necessarily going to help.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
What concerns me, Katie is that, I mean I speak
to Joe Hersey often and what we're hearing from those
businesses that have had those incredible amount of heartache and
the amount of smashed windows and the equipment and the
cost not just the cost financially, but also emotionally. And
you know, Joe was with them. They were asking for hugs.

(21:43):
They were really just pleading with leadership to be able
to make some changes to make them feel safe again
and in their businesses. I mean police we were telling
them that they would spend about eight hours looking for
a responsible adult and then when they finally were able
to send them to territory families and they did appear

(22:03):
before at the court and they were out the next
day and they came back to Torment those same businesses
and the same week we actually had the Chief Minister
and the Treasurer both go to Catherine to do a
budget speech to the community, and yet not one of
those businesses were visited by the Chief Minister the standard.
That's right. How can you know these leaders that.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
Leadership leadership at the plant, that's exactly right.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Leadership is fronting up and going to have those hard
conversations with people, and it's something that we all need
to make sure that we do. And you've got to
make sure that you're genuinely hearing what the community is saying.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, Catherine, they've been calling out for this. I mean
that they wanted the Chief Minister to go and visit it.
They I think, Katie, you saw the video that was
created by those business owners pleading for Natasha Files to
go visit. And she was there and her leadership is
basically just putting a photo on social media and then leaving. Again,
not one of those businesses did she go.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
I can't talk for what the chief for that didn't do.
Obviously they would have liked Trent would have liked to
see them come in and talk to them face to
face in their discussion. That's completely reasonable to them to
have that request. And you know I've met Trent. You
wouldn't remember I've gone through and bought you Lewis before
to go. He's a top bloke and he didn't used
to tell just anyone about what he's trying to do
to help the community with the issues they've got down there.
I can take it on notice and come back and

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find out whether it is.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
You've got people in like you've got people in Catherine
who after there was the assault on the young worker
who worked at the bakery and other locations. She was
terribly assaulted earlier this year and had to have serious
dental work. Have that done now you had people like
Trent to with and other community members raise money so

(23:41):
that she didn't have to pay for that dental work.
You have literally got a situation where the community is
rallying together to try to help each other.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
But you the kids are being let.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Down, the community is being let down. Everybody's being let
down by what's occurring. And we talk about generational change,
Well here we've got kids that are ten and eleven
year old years.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Old, Katie wait a generation. If people are concerned about
another stolen generation quote taking children away from families, well
get the bloody elders involved. These children will be linked
to family networks. They'll be linked to communities out in
the bush areas. Now get the elders involved, or get
the senior people involved. They might not necessarily be elders.

(24:24):
Get them involved and make them part of the equation.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
That's true.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
The only issue comes when they don't want to get
involved and they don't believe they have the cultural authority
to be involved in that agree someone things Merricle, the
Chief wasn't in Catherine last week. Eva was, so you
know there was a reason why the chief didn't then
go and meet with Trent. But you're absolutely right. They
want to meet. They want to meet, and I'll have

(24:48):
that discussion with her when I see her later today
and say listen, in case you didn't know.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Look, I am being told that the Chief Minister wasn't
in Catherine earlier in the week. I have just received
that notification she wasn't in Catherine, but that obviously the
minister for the Treasurer for Infrastructure.

Speaker 5 (25:03):
I'll absolutely go and talk to her after this. The
treasure fantastic person's doing.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
I'm talking about sort of fifteen businesses, so I'll follow
that up.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
Now.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
The other thing that has unfolded throughout the week is
the bus driver situation, so the safety of our bus
drivers now to paint a bit of a picture for you,
I think it's important that we hear from Barry Norton,
who is from the Transport Workers Union. If you missed
that interview a little bit earlier in the week it
had unfolded after a bus driver had been assaulted. I
understand that there have now been a rests that were

(25:34):
made again youths involved, but take a listen to what
he'd told us earlier in the week.

Speaker 6 (25:39):
It is a wazoned out there. There are thousands of
antisocial incidents on the bus network every year, a lot
is not reported. This also brings us back to what
the union has been calling for for the longest time,
complete driver safety strengths, so that they cannot be spat on,
they can't be reached, they can't be got to, they
can't be assaulted, tempted. Robberies can't happen. And we've been

(26:03):
in discussion with the company and the government for at
least two years. Nothing has happened.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
So that again, as I say, was following on from
that situation where we had seen an attempted robbery and
assault on the bus driver in Molden. So last weekend,
so at about six pm police received reports that a
large group had attempted to rob the driver of this
bus that was traveling along Tilston Avenue in Molden. The
group allegedly engaged in violent anti social behavior, resulting in

(26:32):
the driver being assaulted and the bus being damaged. Now again,
I will say my understanding is that they have now
made some arrests. But Barry's saying that it is like
a war zone on the public bus network at different times,
and we've been told by our listeners that it's really very.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
Much luck of the drawer.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Some days you get on there and it's not too bad.
Other days you get on there and it's incredibly difficult.
You know, one of our listeners who speaks to us regularly,
she's legally blind, and she said it's bloody scary.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
Some days getting on there.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
It would be incredibly scaring. Yeah. Look, I don't know
what the answer is here, but what I do know
is that there's a real sense around the Northern Territory
at the moment, a feeling of lawlessness in some areas.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
It's not everywhere.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
And I will say that I think it does feel
as though there's been a bit of a change of
approach since the since the acting Police Commissioner has stepped in.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
But there is this sense of lawlessness and people have
had enough.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
But they want to make sure that the government truly
understands how broken they're feeling about about this public you know,
like about the sense of a lack of safety.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
Yeah, and listen, the transport worker is absolutely deserved to
be safe at work. You now, we say that all
the time, but they do. They do an absolute civil
service to everyone. I can tell you how there are staff,
our staff that ride the bus from Parmers into the city.
They see it, so it gets fed directly into the
ministerial offices. It gets fed to all of us. So
it's not where people may not believe it. Where territories
we ride the bus, I obviously and Fanny Bay, but

(28:00):
there are people that live Annie Palmerston that ride the bus,
so they're seeing it. We've made reforms, we'll continue makingforms.
But I think what we're seeing on the buses is
a wider manifestation of stuff like you just said, we're
seeing across the territory and our frontline workers and bus
drivers are that are experiencing now we change the He's right,
they've been asking for a different type of screen on there.
There is you know, I'm not the expert in this,
but from what I've heard anecdotally, there's an issue with

(28:22):
the age of the bus and taking the screen all
the way to the roof of the safety hatch. There's
something around there's a safety escape they need. But we're
trialing I believe, a new PERSPEX class, like a real
reinforced class on there. If it's not appropriate and they
want something different, then we'll continue to work them because
we've got to make sure our bus drivers are safe.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
You know, it's almost like, I mean, I don't know if,
given it's a private company that runs the public buses,
whether you know, they can go on strike. But the
trouble with that is is it then disadvantages all the everybody,
law abiding people who just catch a bus to work
because that's what they do, particularly people who are a
little bit further out, like the rule there. You know,
they rely upon the public buses and school kids. Of course,
you know that's a bit different because the public art

(28:57):
on it. But you know, it's almost like and I've
said this before, and I don't know if the government
has said it publicly, but they don't appear to admit
that we have a problem. I just did, no, not you.
I'm good that you. Well, if you want to speak
on behalf of government, that's good.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
Behalf of government on.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
The caucus refreshing, it's refreshing. But you know, we have
a problem in our community. I'll give you example. K
at the show French Pashow recently, there's a Chinese lady
came up to me and she's part of the Chin
family and she's left town. She grew up here, she
was born here. She left town. She probably she was seventy,
she's seventy, and she lent gone to Bunderburg because he's
got family there. She said. He said, this is not

(29:35):
the town that we know. I said, yeah, yeah, and
we knew all the people, similar people. She said, the safety.
She didn't feel safe in her town anymore, and she
didn't like her town anymore. And she's gone, you know,
and this is it's just not old. She's only seventy.
So they're the kind She came up to me. She knows,
she knows I couldn't do anything. She said, I can't.
You can't do anything under this, but I want you to.

(29:56):
I want to let you know so you can go
and tell others. So I'm telling you to people on
the fifth for or who are listening. You are losing
old timers who were born and grew up here because
they don't like our town anymore. And that's the tragedy.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
The bus driver problems. And I heard Barry say that
there's been thousands of incidences over the number of months,
which I mean, how devastating is that. I mean, you
should be able to wake up and go to work
and feel safe, and.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Clearly they're not.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
And it just this is another example of how Territorians
are feeling and where the government chooses to strengthen the
windows instead of strengthening the.

Speaker 5 (30:32):
Lloyd did we increase the penalties to maniatery stores.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Well. The other thing I do want to point out
is that he's also told us about a young girl
being exposed to like an older man flashing a young girl,
a school student on a busy, a sexual effects on
a bus, and also about two girls being assaulted by

(30:54):
other girls, is my understanding. So these are the types
of things that for me, as a parent I just
find mortifying. I know that we all find them mortifying,
but I also think to myself, I want my.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Kids to grow up in this place.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
And there is so many wonderful things to love about
the Northern Territory, our multiculturalism, you know, our.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Absolute there's so much to love. But the kids have
to feel safe as well.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
And if you can see other kids that are doing
the wrong thing and seemingly not getting in trouble for it,
what message does that send to our young people.

Speaker 5 (31:27):
Well, my daughter rides the bus to school, and you know, kids,
violence is huge at the moment. Social media plays into it,
and I think one of the best things we could
do was banfhone, so we don't give it the status
that it deserves. But more generally, like I said, Katie,
the any social behavior seeing on the bus is a
manifestation that we've seeing in the community. The only way
it's going to be resolved is getting on top of
it with policing resources and programs. And because we did

(31:49):
change the laws, contrary to popular opinion from Mari Claire
and the Liberal Party, we did change the laws around
sentencing for assault worker and bus drivers. You sold a
bus driver you're sold a frontline work, you sold an
ambo doing their job. You deserve to go in time prison.
That's as simple as it is.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
Bloody.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
A teenager on a bus, very robust to the hospital
and get castrated, Well, that's what you do to people
like that.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Can I just quickly say what I'm hearing from Brent?
Those is what I hear from Natasha as well, is
that there's more consequences than ever before. There's more resourcing
into police than ever before, and yet we have higher
rates of crime. The incidences that we are describing here
are horrific and it's brazen, and yet clearly those consequences
are not being heard by the community. Otherwise we wouldn't

(32:36):
have these problems. Brent, I just feel like you're playing
it down so much, and that's that's not what the
community needs to heap.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
I've just acknowledge every single one of those incidents and
teld you what we're doing about it. Not once have
I played it down or denied that it's occurring. My
point is that the resources are there when it gets
before the courts, I actually believe the judges need to
need to start to understand what the community is feeling
and put the community the judges.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
Do you think we're in a situation where they're not.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
I think in some instance they don't meet expectation at all.
But I'll give you an example. I had a resident
in my community that was assaulted by someone who was
on bay ALMD. That kid should never have been that
young adult eighteen should never have been out on battlest
from my personal opinion, and he went off and as
sold to one of my residents. So from my perspective,
I think sometimes they miss the mark and they need
to be starting a way up there community expectations safety

(33:24):
in the current climate we find.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Ourselves in, and is the labor government giving them enough
sentencing options.

Speaker 5 (33:30):
I think they've got all the sending, scenting options they need.
There's plenty. Like if we have if the laws aren't
there after a hundred years, you know, we're just tinkering
around the side. The reality is, I think people need
to start to understand the sentiment when they sentence people.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
But the trouble the trouble with accept and I acknowledge
that I like what you're saying, but the trouble is
we can't tell judges what to do lower court or
the Supreme Court, and they can't ask for things, they
can't complain, they can't get.

Speaker 5 (33:56):
The judge eillion dollars in the budget extra in the
corrections and the judicial.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
So I think, and I've always been one to stick
up for judges because they apply the laws that they're given. However,
there is always leeway in the laws because of the
circumstances that get put before them when someone goes before them. However,
if a strong message has to be sent to community,
then the laws have to be made more rigorous, stronger,

(34:20):
to be more of a deterrent. Then the judges don't
have a choice but to use the legislation that they've
got before.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
We're going to have to take a very quick break, guys.
It is just twenty minutes away for ten o'clock. Yeah,
so got to go and pay the bills. You are
listening to mix on O four nine. It's three sixty.
It is the week that was and we did obviously
we have been speaking about a raft of different things,
but we know that this week the Northern Territory government
announced plans to improve its justice response to domestic and

(34:48):
family violence. It is now open for a view with
the Domestic Family Violence Exposure Draft Bill now online. The
Justice Legislation Bill for twenty twenty three modernizers the government says,
as well as re structures and strengthens the Domestic and
Family Violence Act of two thousand and seven to bring
it in line with best practices and address inconsistencies in

(35:09):
the current act. Have you guys had much of a
chance to have a look through us, and what do
you make of it?

Speaker 3 (35:14):
To overwhelming for me.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
To overwhelming for you, KIZI You'll have to at some
point very soon, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Maybe, Like I guess, I just want to start by
we know how appalling the rates of domestic violence are
here in the territory and have been growing. I think
it's fifty six percent territory wide that the stats have
increased from six years ago, which is horrendous. And of course,
you know you've got families of children and wives and

(35:40):
husbands in some cases that are the ones that have to,
you know, really deal with this. And again it goes
back to that broader problem that we have where we
have continued to put the rights of offenders above the
rights of victims, and so we welcome any kind of
change that actually make sure that offenders are dealt with,
and I just hope that the community is absolutely heard.

(36:02):
I believe that there are been lots of people going forward.
I mean, the mandatory sentencing for a breach of DVO
was abolished under Labor and we'd like to see that
be reviewed and looked at to come back. And there's
of course a lot of talk about this coercive control
as a sentence and an offense, and I believe that
the Territory in Tasmania are the only two states that

(36:25):
we don't have that as part of our legislation. So yeah,
I was well about our team and lots of terror
telling me they want.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
The thing that we can do to make sure that
our service providers and those that work on the front
line and those that are victims of domestic violence, you
know that we can try to minimize the volume of
what we are seeing here in the territory. Because even
when you speak to the Northern Territory Police, they say
that each and every day they are called out to
an enormous number of domestic violence incidents.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
It's our biggest scourge in this society. So it is
the reason we have all of these social problems where
kids don't want to be at home and it all
leads to the point of a violent act. Now, I
completely agree who your coursive control is emerging more so
on the digital age around money and the control of finances,
and we'll absolutely in agreement on doing something on that. Marclaire.
What I would say, just to clarify, Yes, we did

(37:11):
remove the mandatary sentencing, but like before, we're talking about
tools for judges and giving them the right legislation. We
increase the penalty the maximum penalty for domestic family violence
for breaches. So yes, the manatary sentences gone, but we've
increased the penalty the judges can give, so it gives
them greater discression to put someone in prison for longer
for the crime they commit.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Now, so if anybody is keen to have this that
exposure draft, the Justice Legislation Amendment Domestic and Family Violence
Bill is available now for consultation. So I would encourage
people to jump online if you are certainly if you're
a service provider or somebody involved in that sector, or
the victim, someone with lived experience, absolutely make sure that

(37:49):
you jump online and have your voice heard. Now, I
also want to just briefly touch on and I know
that this happens after every election, but proposed changes to
the Northern Territories electoral boundaries. They've been released ahead of
the twenty twenty four election, with some changes expected to
well potentially result in swings within the electorates of the
Northern Territory. Electoral Commission review happens after every four years,

(38:13):
or every four it happens.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
Before every election.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
And we know that we're heading off to the poles
again August next year.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
Goodness, may you considerably feel it coming. I feel I.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Feel for poor people in what's the place down the
bottom of Parmesan. Marlow Lagoon has they wanted to go
into Nelson. Marlo Lagoon has been in and out of
Goider in every election. Marlow Lagoon changes. It's some really
electric yep. I'm good for under your election it goes

(38:48):
to Nelson or to Nelson. It's been in, it's been
in Gorda, it came out of Goida, it's been in
one of the ones who's Armstan came out of that,
it's gone somewhere else. And this one, I don't know
who's got it in Parmesan. The moment now they're promoting
to those poor people in Marlow.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
They need their own seat because it's five hundred odd people,
and so I guess it's a smaller number in most episode,
between eighteen hundred and two and a half thousand.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
It's just it's just one of those fun it is
sort of semi rule. So I guess there's a bit
of a fit there. There's sort of one acre blocks
I think down.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
It it is on the other side of Nelson though
serious like, are.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
There any serious concerns from the independence all the major
political parties in terms.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Of regards to myself. Well, yes, we're in.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Teams of any of those seats that you think, oh,
hang on a seat, maybe that shouldn't happen.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
We'll see what happened. That all seats roughly have five
and a half thousands voters roughly, and so we try
and keep that balance and you have a twenty percent
leeway up or down either way. My seed of Gord
is okay, I'm within the boundaries or the limits, whatever
you call it. But when you've got a growth area
or lots of high rises or whatever going like perhaps
in the Fanny Bay, then it bumps them up and spill.

(39:55):
It's way over. I think they've got about seven and
a half thousand voters. Yeah, it's it's a real challenge.
And the people for people listening, the people on the
committee is of course the electoral Commissioner, the Surveyor General
because he knows about maps and things, and of course
the order to General because he's got to keep an
eye on everything. And I think an independent chairman might
be Trevor right, So you know, they and I did

(40:17):
put in a submission because people can, people can suggest
changing the name of your electrics.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
It was interesting seeing some of the name change. I
can't remember the top heavy. There's a lot of people
putting in name chain. I think at the end of
the day, Sarah tooin Zimmy well represented by whoever their
local member is. And from a personal point of view,
it looks like I'll pick up a bit of coconut grove.
There's one more consultation round. Either way, I'll be out
the doors. I know you will be. You'll be on
the doors.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
If you get a new area, you know you've just
got to go out and meet go. But the commission
does try and as I call it, keep lik and
like together and That's what I said in my bridve submission.
You know, if there are changes, I don't want any
of those parmesan people. You don't want any town want
any town is us rural people like to just be rural.
I quite like all my areas. I love Marathi how

(41:02):
to docation all those kinds of areas. So they try
and keep liking like for the less reasons. You know,
you've got the harmonies for synergies and all that sort
of stuff. So if people are interested, hop on the
Electrocnician's website because jump online. I have everyone's comments there
who put in comments, and labor party in the seal.
People look at it very carefully because it can change
the balance of power within an electric and they can

(41:22):
have a nice suburb that goes one way and then
they lose it and it could go to the.

Speaker 5 (41:27):
Other part anyway, whoever is incumbent. You know, as long
as you're talking to your people, when you're outdoor, k
you're talking to peop.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
We've got four years.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
In Palmerston, like you alluded to, there's been a lot
of changes and yeah, so they've almost that split the
whole thing up quite differently. In my opinion, and what
it means to me is that there will be a
whole suburb which will go to another electorate.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Molden's gone out of one and into another.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
That's one of them. Yeah, and then one in mine
as well, which is gone. And so you know, part
of me goes, oh, well, I'm saddened by that because
I genuinely got to know a lot of those people
and you know, you represent them. But then in the
same breath I also say that, you know, we always
welcome changes like this because for me, like I represent

(42:14):
all of Parmeerstan, I'm always there to speak to any
territorians that want to share, you know, what's going on,
especially in a time that we have, like you know,
we want to be speaking to as many territorians as possible,
So it probably doesn't matter what it looks like on
a piece of paper, as long as they know they.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Can always feasure out me. Well, look, we're going to
take a really short break. When we come back, we
might talk briefly about something that has gone on in
Brent Portter's Electrics v Park.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
So that's coming you along, that's coming your way in
just a moment right here on mix.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Well, if you have just joined us in the studio
today is Mary Claire Booth, be Keasier Puric and Brent Potter.
And we know that throughout the week, well, the Darwin
Council they had sort of moved forward, I guess, on
a contentious RV park plan despite their own survey finding
that most of respondents were against the move.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
But it's maybe not as clear cut as what it seems.
I know that.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Well, Brent Potter, you've been dubbed a bit of a
nimby for not wanting it to go ahead.

Speaker 5 (43:13):
If that's the title of Fitzkad, I'll take it. But
I've made it very clear from the start. I just
wanted the proper planning process and consultation to occur, and
I've made it clear from day dot. The dal and
Bowles Club has been trying to do this for youx
and it's a great spot and it's a better solution
to what they're trying to fix. But Congo and your
radio and said if the people don't want it, we
won't progress with it. Well, fifty eight percent didn't want it,
and now he's progressing with it with one little caveat

(43:35):
that says pending Minister. You will approve. And the reason
they put that in their KDI is because they don't
have the planning approvals under the current zoning requirements of
Bundella to put a caravan park there. And they were
told by the Minute the Department in writing they couldn't
do it, and they responded saying, oh we can, and
now they can't. So statistically a.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Caravan park though, because rbs have to supply everything themselves,
that's not really.

Speaker 5 (43:55):
Under the zoning. Under the zoning it would be caravan park.
And this is what the Department tried to make very
clear to city Council, to which then they wrote back
and rebutted saying no, we can do it. And we
find ourselves in a position when the majority of the
people didn't want it, counsel looking to the minister to
bail them out.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
It's funny though, because it was only a very like
it was a pretty small majority.

Speaker 5 (44:11):
Wasn't thirty eight still more than sorry? Thirty eight didn't
want it? So did want it? Fifty eight did didn't
want it so because we didn't want it.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
So we've got quite a bit mixed bag that we've had,
like in terms of interaction from our.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
Listeners, some people going.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
You know what, give something a go in that spot,
because as it currently sits, it's a beautiful view. It's
a beautiful spot, but it is it's a spot of
social behavior.

Speaker 5 (44:35):
Let's do it at the balls clubs we.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
Then do you reckon at that at the Bundilla Beach.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
Two things that I've been on your radio before about it.
Let's put the three million dollars straight in the Bundella.
Let's activate it with basketball half court lights, food vans,
play equipment, and let's start enforcing our by laws so
people don't camp down there, and then police can come
and assist in the afternoon with the drinking. It's working
at each point you go down there in a weekend. Katie,
it's been good lately, and that the food vans are back,
Mick is good.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
I reckon. Look, I know because I have a few
friends come up every year and they stay at my
place and you know, great, no mess to not really
gray though, and they love it and don't it's an
urban myth that these people don't spend money. They spend
shiploads up here. They drive nice fans, nice caravans, They
go and look at touristy things the Glenty for example,

(45:20):
and drink drink, enjoy a wine. But they're a fabulous
asset and I think, yeah, next to the Bowls Club
will be really good because they do love that kind
of thing, and.

Speaker 5 (45:36):
They're a small club and they do eat out a lot.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
These people, you know, I know I'm generalizing, but they
do eat out a lot, and they.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Do want any visitors that we can get to the
Northern Territory that are you know, they are going to
go out and enjoy the wonderful place.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Katie. The numbers are definitely down in house from Tenant
and and Alice. It's shocking that the number of travelers.
And I've just had some friends come up yesterday. They
arrived with their van and they said it was pretty
cool on the road.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
I was just about to say that, I mean, how
many people do you speak to? And I certainly noticed it.
Everyone's saying where are the caravans. I mean, usually at
this time every year you almost get annoyed with the
amount of traffic on our roads.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
I've checked cooled Linger caravan packages near my office and
there's a section down or thinking and last year, I
think it was with the year before, it was shockers
like a sardine camp. Yeah, this year's so far not
so exactly. Now, if they're not coming to the territory,
they're going somewhere. I certainly I don't know where they're going.
Get in society issue. We want them to come back here,
but they learnly come back here when we start to
get a better reputation for being a safe destination.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
That is true because no amount of marketing money spent
is going to stop someone from googling the Northern Territory
and then those horrific crime stories to be shown first
and foremost.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
And before we wrap up this morning, we did, obviously
say just a little while ago, there was confirmation that
the Chief Minister wasn't in Catherine earlier in the week,
Marie Claire, contrary to what you had said it. But yeah,
somebody has just sent through as well and said we'll
hang on a second. On Facebook, it says she was there,
but so on all it's an.

Speaker 5 (47:03):
Eva was down there doing the budget release. That story
relates to one of the budget released stories that Eva
did when she was down there. So the Chief wasn't
in Catherine. And I'm on record now saying the Chief
wasn't in Katherine, so she was.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Intending to be in Katherine on that day.

Speaker 5 (47:16):
Well, you and I both know that we release stories
the day that we do it, and I'm sure I
post stuff a couple of days later because I forget
to do it on the day.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Three hour drive to Catherine and then speed. There's no
caravans on the road, so it is a nice easy drive.
I think you know I'm going to be down in
Katherine this weekend. I'd love to see the Chief Minister
down there and show you guys check.

Speaker 5 (47:37):
We'll go and talk to her and remind her about
the issue going on there.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Well, we have run out of time unfortunately. Mary Claire Boothby,
always great to have you on the show. Thanks so
much for your time this morning. Thank you, Katie, keezyer Puric.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
Thank you so much for your time today.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Thank you, Katie, Mike Pleasure. Going to have a nice
quiet weekend this weekend. I'm not having anything to do
with four legged kids, two legged kids, prams, ducks, geese.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Anything to get our chickens from them.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
The Worst Pass Show was a really good weekend, but
bloody exhausters take a whole week to get over.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
Brainch Potter, Thanks so much for your time this morning.

Speaker 5 (48:11):
Thanks Catie, always good to be here

Speaker 4 (48:12):
Wonderful thanks, Thank you all so much.