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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time for the week that was, and in the
studio with us today for labor. We've got Chancey pay
Good morning Chancey.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Good morning Katie and shout out to everyone tuned in.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Good to have you on the show. We have got
from the colp the Treasurer, Bill Yan, Good morning to you, Bill.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
End.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
And we've got Gary Shipway, the head of news at
the NT News. Lovely to have you in the studio.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Iren Cati.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I just want to give a shout out to the
Darlin Salties wheelchair team.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Yah.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Yeah, time national champions.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Wonderful, wonderful effort. Good on them, big shout out to them. Now, look,
there is so much up for discussion this morning, but
we might kick off with the fact that the government
is set to restructure its integrity officers, including the Independent
Commissioner against Corruption the IKAK, after a report was released
yesterday and Will found that under resource staff was struggling
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under the weight of pervasive pressure and well the Territorians
have essentially lost confidence in the effectiveness of the IKAK.
Now the government released this review into the structural models
for statutory integrity Officers. So it wasn't just the i
CAAC but also looking into the Ombudsman, Information Commissioner, Health
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and Community Services Complaints Commission, and the Northern Territory Ordered
General's Office, with all officers found to have serious internal challenges.
Now it's dubbed the McClintock Haighley highly I should say
Review and found that there's been damaged to the public
reputation and standing of the IKAK and that the public
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standing must be re established. So essentially, what we're now
looking at is a restructure that's sort of going to
mean that all of these bodies are potentially going to
go into one office still operating I suppose independently to
some degree with different commissioners. An interesting move, but bill
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sounds like it's going to happen as a result of
this review.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah, so high McClintock came in and done a really
good deep dive and look at what was happening with
the ik And we know since the ikak's inception it's
been plagued with issues and honestly, okay, the public have
lost faith in IKAK and that office and what it
stood for. So I think it's very timy with this report.
And what the report came out with is that we
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need to look at how everything operates. So now we'll
have an Integrity Commissioner who sits across those three officers.
That will be a CEO that sits under them, and
then you'd have those three statutory bodies, so the IKAK
as it stands now, Health Complaints Commission and of course
the Omansman and Information Commissioner.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
So they'll sit under there.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
So the way the structure work will certainly help with
resources for all of them, and the Ordered General sit
off to the side and still maintain that independence alongside
the Integrity Commissioner. So we certainly think it'll provide some
more efficiencies. I believe for those agencies there'll be some
shared resources now.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Which they didn't have before. Being a treasure.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
I'd love to see some savings in this, but I
don't think we're going to see any savings as a
part of it. But I think we'll certainly see some
more efficiencies and the ability for those resources to be
shared across the board. So I think there's going to
be a lot of positives come out of this and
try and restore some of that public confidence back into
that integray.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
My instant thought is who's going to step into a
role like that. You know, we've sort of I don't
know where the struggles the right word, but maybe it
is to even fill the eye CAC position. So how
do we then sort of find somebody who can oversee
the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I think that's going to be the challenge. I mean,
either I have to be a superman or a superwoman
because it is a mammoth task. But you know, having
said that, I think it's a good I think it's
a good idea to try and put them all under
the one umbrella because of the controversy that's been out
there in the public over the ICAC, which is pretty
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sad to see what's happened.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
To change in the structure. Gary allows us to bring
somebody in. It gives them a little bit more authority
over the top. So we're I will probably attract someone
better into that position compared to what the OCAC was previously.
So I think we'll get some very good applicants and
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a lot of people are going to be really really
interested in it.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
He is hoping, because I guess we had faith you
know the last few times as well. Chancey, what do
you make of these changes? I mean, do you think
it's a good idea.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Look, it's Friday, and I'm not going to pick on
Bill this morning. I actually look, am keen. I'm supportive
of the general principle and keen to have the time
to look at it in more detail. But I think
when Labor brought in the IKAC Commission, it had a
particular purpose to give that guarantee and the surety to territory.
And I think one of the issues that we have
seen is people can't and don't separate corruption out from
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integrity issues. So I think actually bringing them together having
an integrity commission is a very important and a very
worthwhile thing to do. So yeah, look very keen, very
supportive of the general kind of view that's been put
out there and what is spoken about. We'll look at
the detail and then work through. But I think it
is a good thing and bringing those officers together. They'll
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still work in their statutory remit and independently, but in
one commission, I think it is good. I think when
you do talk to people as we all do, like
I said, it's hard for people sometimes to separate what
is something that is alleged corruption activity versus what is
something that is around the integrity of something. So having
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a one big commission that can look at those issues
and delegate to our areas is impact.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Hopefully going to be a good thing. Tell me how
soon do you think it's going to get up and running, Bill.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Well, we're going to have to move fairly quickly on
this because at the moment we've got an acting EYKAC.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
We've got acting a few positions.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
And we've got actings everywhere, so we're going to need
to move fairly quickly on especially the.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Dude diligence still has to be done.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
We only got the report from McLintock and highly just recently,
so now that's out for everybody to have a look at.
So now we need to look at how that structure
works and then and then look to recruiting to those
positions because I think we've got an acting omwardsman at
the moment and acting Health Complaints Commissioner, so all those
statutory roles that will sit below the Integrity Commissioner needs
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to be filled. We need to find a CEO as well,
so that's part of that structure.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
So is it going to cost more money than what
we're currently you know, spending on all of these positions
to then essentially put somebody into oversee them all.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
We'll have to wait and see where the structure sits cadence.
Then look at the positions in those other agencies too,
look at the positions that sit within IKAK, within those
other three statutory bodies underneath, and see how then they
fit with that new structure.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
So we may have to employ somebody else, we may not.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I haven't delved really deep into that as yet, and
that's something we yet to do. But I'm going to
have to look at those all structures to see what
staffing is in the now.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
Now We're keen to keep an eye on it as well,
like is this new all going to centralize everyone into
a one stop shop where they're all co located or not.
But I think, as Gary said before, it might actually
increase people's interest to want to do it. Given that
it's an amalgamation of some sorts of all of these
independent offices that are scattered, a christ being in one
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location supporting one another, to then support a CEO and
a commissioner, it might actually sprook people's interests.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I think, you know, if you've got investigating offices across
all these agencies. It doesn't. It wouldn't be unusual if
people were working across multiple the case the cases, it
would be integrity. Where it be in health, will it
be in OK? They're a task to be investigating officers.
So I would wouldn't be a model that I wouldn't
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be workable.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Now, look, it wasn't the only interesting thing that happened
in Parliament yesterday, Bill Yan you and ounce that, well
you're getting rid of the shade structure, will at least
the plants on the shade structure, you know, basically saying
this that it was I'm trying to think of the
right words, but that it was all you know, that
it was a labor misappened, that they ignored expert advice
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and planted the wrong vines. Why don't we just find
some new plants to plant.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Well, here's the thing, Katie, even if I found some
new vine, very good at gardening A. I can see
you now my thumbs are particularly green. Even if I
went and planted some new vines, k, there's still that
ongoing maintenance function. It's costing you one hundred and twenty
thousand bucks.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
You want to come and bay it looks really nice
when is that vine growing?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
But I managed, they managed to put the right wine
on that one Cado. I remember it was Keysier years
ago in parliament actually got up, I think, and during
one of her speeches spoke about the vines and actually
said that the wrong wine was put in there.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
And she's a woman who can grow things.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Yeah, Cusa did and grow stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
But when But when you look at the shade structure
as it sits k that we paid one hundred and
twenty thousand bucks a year to maintain something that's not.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Providing any shade.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
So every time they used to do the maintenance during
a day, which costs us a little bit less money,
but then of course that obstructed business is there, so
then it had to go back to nights and on weekends.
So you've got a road road closure, you've got scissor lifts,
someone up there moving the wines around, trying to get
them to grow, and it just it's an ongoing cost
that we just can't afford to do anymore, Katie.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
So what's it going to look like? What are we
going to do here? Keep this shade structure.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
The structure of the structure will remain, Kadi.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
The structure is.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
There's nothing wrong with the structure itself.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
It's for wine.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
People said, whine, you put some shade cloth over. If
I put shake cloth up, I've gotta pull it down
every wet season side clothes. I can't put anything hard
on it because it's not engineered for that. So there's
some lights already on it which have never worked properly
because the irrigation system that was put in wrecked.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
The lights they're going to turn into a light show.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Well, I've said my pop down to Buttings and get
some fairy lights and string some fairy lights.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I see you up there doing that.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I'll get up there seriousness though, because it is a
big structure and it's right in town, so we don't
want it to look garbage. And I know at the
moment it's not ideal with the plants growing on there.
But I've got to say I've been one of those
people that's always been hopeful that the plants would grow.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Yeah, I think everyone's been pretty hateful, Katie, and I
think we've been hoping for a long time.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
And yeah, keysy Epuric's just message bloody there we go.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
So Keys is right, So look, we'll get rid of
the vines so we can save some money, because I
can't keep throwing money at this hoping that the vine
is going to grove, that it's not going to grow.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Every time I walk under, I've got to wear a.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Hat so I don't get someburn on my head because
there's not a lot of shade. Be diagonal, so you'll
get cross hats, some burn on my logan. But I said,
we'll fix the lights are up there, maybe put some
more lights in, because the actual structure itself is fine.
There's no dramas for the structure. It's actually quite a
pretty structure. So we'll leave the structure there, get some
lights on it so it's at night.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
It'll be quite striking at the end of the day.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
And we'll leave the structure there and we'll reduce our
maintenance costs all this thing.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
And I hope so it looks all right.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah, it's a big disappointment. Yeah, I mean, it looked
like a good idea, but you know, and it would
have and shade in the city is obviously a good
thing because we are a hot place. But it ranks
one of the biggest disappointments, almost like the playground down
and down here.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
At Miley Point, which it's not very big.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Did anyone uses because it's too hot?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Well, And look, I was one of the first people
to you know, to give the former government stick over
the fact that the plant wasn't growing. But I all,
like I do and did remain hopeful that it would
end up being something that looked good, you know, that
did eventually grow, and the theory and the idea behind
it was you know, it was a good one in
the sense that it was to provide that shade.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Look, I think I'm with Keysier on this one. I
think if we plant the bloody right vine, we might
get some growth like we have down at Carlum Bay.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Look, I think, first of all, as Bill has spoken.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
About, it is quite a beautiful structure. It's actually good
much timber from Arnham Land, so it's got that great
incorporation into the territory. Look, I think that was hard
of a trial that the previous government did around mitigating
areas in the in the CBD around heat. So when
you do look down that street now, it is beautiful.
It's a canvas of trees. Yes, the vines never got
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to where we would have liked them to have gotten.
Bills come out and said that they're going to do
it up with some snazzy lights. So he might be
there at hanging them up himself.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
But but you know they'ven popped out of bunches, and you.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Know it's a you know, like I think that's important thing.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
It was part of a trial.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
Yes, the vines weren't the right vines. We found out
would have liked to have seen the right vines planted.
If you do look at Caulum Bay, that's what it
should have looked like. So unfortunately it never quite got there.
But hopefully we can see it continue and some stuff happening.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
There's no doubt it does look it has in half
that street. It gives us a nice an bounce as
you're walking down the street, you know. And there's a
lot of stuff going on in the city. Councils doing
a lot of stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
You see the development going over here in the Bennett
Street that's going to redo the lang maybe between the
whole that's going to beautiful Airy If once it's completed,
it's going to add a whole new field fill the city.
The work that Smith Street works caused a bit of anks,
but you start to see it. Yeah coming out now, Yeah,
I think it's going to be right.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I'm not sure about those massive rocks though on slots right,
I agree with that anyway.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
They're big.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
There's an upside of rock shading. Had a lot of.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Maintenance, no plants on those. All right, we're going to
take a bit of a break. You are listening to
Mix one oh four nines three sixty. It is the
week that was. You are listening to Mix one oh
four nines three sixty. It is the week that was.
If you've just joined us, We've got Gary Shipway, We've
got Chancey Pagan, We've got Bill Yan in the studio
this morning. Now, unfortunately, some terrible news out of Alice Springs.
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Like yesterday a seventy seven year old woman well, she's
held her own. After a home invasion in Alice, the
woman returned to her East Side home and noticed a
broken window people inside yesterday Now police say the offenders
grabbed the woman's hair, They knocked it to the ground
and took her car keys, but the seventy seven year
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old managed to approach them in her car, took back
her keys and snapped a photo of the offenders. They
fled with her stolen jewelry, but good on her. The
seventy seven year old said, bugger you, you're not taking
my stuff.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Absolutely okay. It's really tragic that this is happening. It's
become all too common, and that's one of the things
that we're trying to tackle it home and that's what
we made all these changes to different laws, whether it
be Declan's Law, changes to the BAOL Act, and a
number of others to deal with these offenders. And it's
sad that this has happened. Like, kudos to that seventy
seven year old woman for getting out there and getting
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a stuff back. But I suppose this leads into that
bigger discussion we're going to have about back the spray.
It's a tool that somebody can use to protect themselves
or deal with those sorts of issues. But I'm glad
she's got a picture of these young men that have
attacked and given that young women or young women and
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given that to police and hopefully, I said, police deal
with them and they will face the consequences for their actions.
So we've got to stop this stuff from happening, whether
it's al Springs, Darwin, Catherine so it's just it's been
a level of escalation in crime over a period of
time now, and we've got to start to wind that back.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I think from my point of view, and I'm not
a local person, but you know, coming from average O
Blow's position, the thing that's alarming is the age of
the alleged defenders. I mean, I think one was ten,
one was fourteen, But you know, and that's consistent. There's
a lot of young people committing these crimes. And I
think that's why people and it'd be hard for you, Chancy.
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That's why I think it's hard for you place to
get your position through because people out there in the
public will be seen this and say, well, wow, this
is this is why we change government. So it's a
it's a really difficult a situation. It's not just Alice,
it's Catherine.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, well Dale and we spoke about it a couple
of weeks ago where Sushira from Kota was targeted as
she was on her way to work one morning and
rock's thrown at her. I mean, the situation here with
the seventy seven year old, you know, like you said, Bill,
it does sort of make you think, all right, well,
we've got the OC spray roll out, you never know
how or if you're actually going to know what to
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do either, though, when you're in a situation.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Like that, I think, Katie, you know, you know, we
need to think and remember here, like I mean, the
territory does breed. Our scene is pretty tough, but you know,
we shouldn't have to. And I think that the issue
that we're seeing here as we're talking about is, you know,
property crime and people being assaulted. And I have always
said and I've always acknowledged that there have been some
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decreases in those areas, but again I always say that
there needs to be more done in that prevention space
because kids are obviously wandering around at particular hours when
they shouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
My concern though.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Is like with the pepper spray, this is a strong
old girl who's been able to defend herself and get
her stuff back, but there are instances that we need
to be careful of where this pepper spray could actually
be used by the perpetrators on the victim to further
create harm and stealing and so forth. So I think,
you know, yep, we acknowledge it's been passed, it's been
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an operation I think for three days now, Bill, Yeah,
so it's been an operation. So look, our job now
is to you know, keep an eye on the roll out,
ask questions when people raise those concerns with us, and
moving forward around how it's working.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
So five hundred and fifty OC spray OC sales OC
spray sales is what I'm trying to say this week,
since Territorians were able to purchase it on Monday. Now
we heard from the Chief Minister the system in place
immediately identified on that first day four people who are
ineligible to buy that spray. It's believed that one was
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served with an notis to appear. That number grew to
eight throughout the week. The average age of the OC
spray bar is forty seven. Now, Chancey, you got us
all talking earlier in the week when you dared the
CLP to get sprayed outside of Parliament House.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
What about you, mate?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Are you prepared to give it a go?
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Hey, if everyone of the CLP is, I will. I
mean Bill's probably already been sprayed being incorrection, but.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
I've got sprayed a eap of time.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, I think, like asked me, I'd.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Rather get sprayed with pepper spray than have a criminal
come and attack me with a steel bar or at
the end of the day, because okay, pepper spray is
going to hurt. I'm going to be out of action
for about fifteen to twenty minutes, but I'm not going
to be permanently harmed.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
And I think that's the way I look at it.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
So everyone's saying, Okay, the criminals will take it off
in spray, But trust me, I'd rather be sprayed with
pepper spray than be attacked with a weapon, because I
know I'm going to come out the other side of
pepper spray without any permanent injuries.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Well, particularly if you're talking about knives or crossbows and
that thing.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
And it's interesting, you know, like Harry Bryl, who did
our story went down and he was speaking to and
dusk if the shore went down as all they were
speaking to the store approtors and the stories they're giving
about the people who are mainly in the forties and
fifties buying it. And you know, there was one lady
there said, look, you know I want to have to
carry screwdriver in my person in and for that my
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screwdriver have for hairspray. So people already walking around with you.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I guess I worry.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
I've seen at home, elderly people getting out of their
car in the supermarket car park, and people move in
large numbers, and I just worry that someone's going to
become intimidated by what they've seen. They're going to pull
out their their pepper spray, and then a group of
people are going to intervene, and then that person becomes helpless. So,
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you know, I acknowledge that there's more work that needs
to be done in this space. Our job as the
opposition is to, you know, ask the question, see how
it rolls out it's asked. You know, Bill and I
have experienced that incorrections, but I think, you know, this
is something that we will see how it rolls out.
I mean, the Chief Minister said it is a trial,
so we're going to keep an eye on that trial.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Now.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I've got some updated numbers. Six hundred and twenty five
people have now purchased more than one thousand O C
spray canisters. They're the stats for today.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
I popped in and caught up with Ronald's Fishing out
or World during the week, just to see how things
were going. Of course, they'd sold out in a day
or two. While I was there, I think he took
five home calls about the stuff. But the thing is
in those stories because he told me some of those
stories as well, and he said, well, it's there's been
a mix male and female. But he said the story
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is coming from the females has been that they want
just that extra level of protection, particularly even in the CB.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Do you hear walking to.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
And from the cars from work because they feel unsafe.
Now it's a bit different from me. I said, I'm
one hundred and five kla bloke. I've been around a
little bit. I'm not particularly concerned.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
But if you're a young woman small walking to and
from your vehicle or.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Going going for your walks in the morning, that just
that extra level of security, knowing that it's a tool
that you can use to get yourself out of trouble.
I can tell you now, Codie me all my using corrections,
it was not that many times that it was used.
People pull it out a lot, and a minute it
comes out. I think people know what it actually does
and it immediately.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
De escalates a situation. So I think we'll see that.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
I think we also just to be clear on what
the purpose is. Like we've heard people saying that they've
actually brought it not for that purpose, but to go
walking for dogget so that they can spray it on
a dog if they feel like well, so, I think,
just to be clear, yeah, there have been a number
of sales, but I don't think we will entirely know
what they will do.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
To me, Like as a as a small woman who's
had a stalker, who's being followed, who's had very uncomfortable situations,
went out for a run without exercising, who's who also
felt incredibly frightened different times when people have approached me
while out for a run. And I'm pretty good at
being able to talk myself out of a situation, There's
no doubt about that. But I you know, I haven't
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raced out to buy a canister. I probably will. I
probably will have one. I do not intend to use
it unless I am confronted with a really dangerous situation
that I feel that I cannot talk my way out of,
you know, and that's for me, I think it is.
It's it's a backup that I do not want to
have to use. I'll make that really clear. But you know,
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but I am somebody who's been in dangerous situations where
I felt bloody scared.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
I think that's the point with this is now it's
past the government have done it. It's got to be reviewed.
We've got to ask the questions. I think we've seen
some concerns from people in the domestic and family violence
space where there could be misidentification, where perpetrator uses it
on a victim in a DV altercation. So look, I
think right now it's done. We've got a process to follow,
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got reviews, We've got people to kind of talk to,
and then we can make a decision whether it is
an effective tool or not.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
That's the approach people will respect.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah, Hey, just an update so on that situation in
Alice Springs. So it was about six fifteen yesterday. The
police have now issued a statement and they say that
two female youths aged eleven and fourteen were located nearby
and arrested. The eleven year old dent dealt with under
the provisions of Youth Justice Act. A fourteen year old
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charged with aggravated burglary, aggravated robbery and damage to property
due to appear in court today. I mean it's a
worrying situation eleven and fourteen. You know, the thing that
I find concerning as well is that lack of respect
for our senior territorians and those that are more vulnerable.
And you know, I do it worries me, and you know,
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like I guess, it worries me more. I've got kids
that age, and I know I do not forget my privilege.
And I know that my children are very lucky to
grow up in a home where you know where, I
know where they are, and and I'm raising them to
respect those that are senior, particularly you know, if I'm
at the shopping center, I'm encouraging my son to open
the door for seniors and to do the right thing.
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And I know that not everybody grows up in that
kind of environment, but I just I think it's so
important that our senior territorians are safe.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Well, we've seen an escalation, sadly cut over a number
of years now where we have young people specifically targeting seniors.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
We see it in our supermarks.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
I know we've see Alison the same thing up here
and in other places where they will specifically target elder
people because they see them as easy targets and that's
absolutely disgusting and shameful that that actually happens. So I said,
we need to deal with those people that commit those offenses,
and I said support our seniors at the end of
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the day as well.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Yeah, Look, I think what we do need to do
is all work together around how do we empower people
in our community to feel safe? How do we empower
people to be respected? And I think that's work that
we can all do together. I think one of.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
The issues that we do see is elder abuse.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
In its many forms, and a lot of it is
largely driven as well through a lens of people living
in abject poverty.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
When you look at a scene your what do you see.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
You see someone who is getting the age care pension
who you can target. We've seen it, We've heard the
stories of it in our towns, in our cities. So
what can we all do as a collective to better
support that process and you know, getting people the support
that they need, but also making people feel safe enough
that they can go out and that they can go
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to their groups and so forth and feel comfortable.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Hey, one of the other bits of legislation, I'm not
one hundred percent sure whether it passed or whether it
was just introduced this week, but the PPSO legislation, so
the bill adding a police public safety officer to sections
nineteen and one six four of the Police Administration Act,
so will now read a member of the police force
or a special constable or an Aboriginal community police officer
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or a police auxiliary or a public safety officer. Has
it just been introduced or did it pass as well?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Built No, that was introduced and passed Yestercadi. So this
was a specifically administrative function. So you have to create
the position to be able to then go out and
do the consultation on what then is in that job description.
So it was it was an interesting thing because normally,
normally you do the consultation on the other side and
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then do the next bit. But the way that the
Police Administration Act is written and the work that has
to be done, you actually have to create the position
to then start doing the work around what the position
description is.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
And we made that commitment that we need.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
These ppsos on the ground early next year. So if
we had to delay introducing this legislation and creating the position,
this administrative part of it, then it would have delayed
that consultation and then of course delayed the training courses
and we would have pushed back by months getting those
PPSAs on the ground. So this is like an administrative
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function to create the position. It's not what the position
is and what it does yet that is the next
piece of work.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I know I mentioned this yesterday, but if we got
anyone that's actually wanting to become one, I mean that's
sort of what we're hearing that those public housing safety
offices and also the transport safety officers aren't that keen
to transition across.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Well, I know that within because I can only speak
for DLAW. I know that the number of the transit
safety officers are keen to move across. But the sticking
point has been they didn't know what the paying conditions
were going to be, right because we have to create
the position, which was done yesterday. So once you create
the position, then you can start working up what the
paying conditions and roles within that job will be. So
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this will go. This is that next step for them,
particularly for my team within DLI, to look at what
their job is and is it right for me?
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Is it not right for me?
Speaker 4 (28:08):
But I know there's a number of people who are
pretty kind of moving over and look, it's good career
options for them as well in career progression.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Okatie, I'm going to call bullshitting.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
Because the government introduced this on the eighteenth of June
this year. We all knew it was out there, they
knew that they wanted to do. We started parliament off
this Tuesday, no mention of this, no mention of it
all up until Wednesday till six thirty when they offered.
The Opposition are briefing Independence are getting briefed at nine
point thirty at night about this.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
So if the government were actually planning and had.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
An agenda where they knew what they were doing, they
would have given us notice earlier. We would have known
about it at the start of the week. We would
have had time to talk to people about it because
people are rightly unsure.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Now this is.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Finally just rushing it through. Lond I didn't have anything
else to run.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
This is absolutely being rushed through because the Chief Minister
ran back to the fifth floor yelling and score me
saying I need something to bring in.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
So we've got a bill to pass.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
Because the Attorney General failed, she failed to deliver her
anti discrimination bill and she's saying she needs to go
out and consult with the government. Did believe in their
own legisative scrutiny committee they would have sent the anti
discrimination bill there, could have had consultation, could have been
passed this city.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Still, Is that what happens?
Speaker 5 (29:18):
No, certainly not, Katie. It's great.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I think that's not your behalf, Katie.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
When I went over and asked members of Cabinet when
it was coming on and was it being done on urgency,
they were saying, look, the Chief Minister hasn't made up
her mind yet. So right up until Wednesday night they
were still talking about whether they do it on urgency.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Did you believe in when they said that?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
No, of course, not exactly what I would saying.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
You know, like I mean, it's not unusual for governments
with a strong majority. Just so you said that mister
ram stuff through to push their agenda through. So clearly
this is what's happened here. This is part of their
law and order agenda.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
Yeah, but for a government that claims to be open,
transparent and accountable, why not everyone and why not make
a big song and dance of it at the start
of the week. You want to be a tough on
crime government. This is one thing that you've heralded as
a signature policy, yet you're silent about it until Wednesday night.
To pass on Thursday morning sounds dodgy to me.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
This is this is not actual the actual policy that's
still to be debated.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
What all it is?
Speaker 5 (30:22):
I said, as I said.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
This is an administrative function that came up that all
of sudden we had to deal with because it became
an issue and would have delayed bringing those ppsos online.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
So Junment didn't even know up until Wednesday that this
had to be a legislative instrument.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
No, we found out it had to be a legislative instruments.
That's why that's why we bought on an urgency.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
When did you find out?
Speaker 5 (30:47):
I can't remember exactly which day.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
That sounds dodgy to me. You must have known absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
So to sit there and speculate on what the government
does and government does, and if.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
It's in a speculation your own cabinet colleagues said, if
you don't know, if it's he's not sitting up there
on the fifth floor, which you got on the moment,
I will such very hard for you to speak.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
You in my ten years standing behind this microphone. I've
definitely heard a few governments or a few chief ministers
say we're open and transparent and we're going to do this,
and we're going to do that, and then it doesn't
doesn't necessarily flow the way that you expect it to.
But look, we are going to take a really quick
break because I want to talk about the rock throwing
in Catherine. Further rock throwing in Catherine apparently overnight, So
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more on that in just a moment's time. You are
listening to the week that was in the studio this morning.
We have got Gary Shipway from the NT News. For
the COLP, we've got Bill Yan and for labor we've
got Chancey Paik. Now, unfortunately, Road Trains of Australia's manager,
Nick Verica has called in just a moment ago to
say that there were more trucks ropped in Catherine last night.
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Two more trucks hit at ten thirty pm in the
main street opposite Woolworths. He called the police to report it.
Still waiting on a follow up. He's wondering if Bill
wants to jump in and come for a drive with him. Bill,
what do you reckon?
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Was happy to go have for riding truck Katie being
a truck mechanic.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, I bet, But what I mean like dead see it.
I know that these things flear up from time to time,
but this is so incredibly dangerous first off, and then
the on flow in so many different ways, Like it's
you know, it's a terrible situation to have our truck.
He's trying to transport our goods. I mean he's got
live stock, trying to transport our goods and having to
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deal with this garbage.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
But behave you can you imagine a blog transporting two
trailers of livestock trying to stop. He's just been hitting
the head by a rock. What danger does that present
to everyone else on the road, not only just to him,
but to everyone that's coming the other way. It's ridiculous, stupid.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
Yeah, Katie, this is like the trucking industry is so
important to the Northern Territory and goods and services are
up and down that Stewart Highway, the VIC Highway, the
Tanamite every single day. And you know, my dad used
to be a truck driver. We know how important this
industry is. We know how terrifying it can be for
a truckee when they have a rock flying through their
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window or their windscreen. So I think there are some
things I reckon we should be looking at. One is
that crime prevention by design with those councils. Are they
using the right landscaping equipment. Don't put big boulders in
and out of towns within CBDs? And I think Bill
in Santa Terresa, they had kids throwing rocks there. They
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got victims of crime or one of those organizations out.
They did a bit of a video and storytelling thing
with the kids about throwing rocks and the consequences that
has on doing it, and they've seen a reduction there.
So I think there are a few good things that
we certainly can do.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
We spoke about this yesterday, okay, and this is so
dangerous and these kids don't know the consequences of what
they're doing. They think it's fun throwing rocks of trucks
and rocks of people. We know the guy in l
Springs who lost an eye because of this, driving up
to an intersection and his life is now changed forever
by some idiot throwing a rock. But as Gary said,
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the consequences for this are so far reaching. Throwing rocks
at trucks because you disable a road train driver with
sixty tons of equipment. If you lose control what happens next?
Who else then is in danger? And I know the
police have been doing some work down there in Catherine.
I know children and families and with the Circuit Breaker
program have been doing some work and we spoke again
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about that yesterday to try and identify who these kids
are and deal with them, because this sort of stuff
can't continue. Someone is going to get hurt again, someone
could even possibly be killed, and it could be an
absolute innocent bystander that is then going to end up
into your kill. Because of this, it has to stop.
Katie and these kids and these people need to be
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made aware of what their actions can do.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Well.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Also, I mean absolutely needs to be work with the
kids so they understand the consequences because let's not forget
the territory imputs a lot of our tucker. So if
these road trains are getting off the road, then that's
limiting goods and services coming into the territory and it's
limiting our markets and our exports getting out. So, you know,
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doing that work, I think two main parts I'd encourage
the government to do, which Bill's spoken about is education
campaigns and understanding the consequences of rock throwing and then working.
We've got all these new councils. We should find out
today who the councils are. Hopefully fingers crossed, but you know,
new councils, crime prevention by design. What are things that
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we can do that will absolutely deter people from doing it?
Make sure that there aren't big rocks as you enter
in and out of towns and CBDs.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
In the meantime, I mean, are we going to wind
up in a situation here with they've got to have
security escorts or somebody getting them in and out of town.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Well, you'll end up having trucks looking at the Mad
Max movie, the metal on the side, you know, grills
on the front, or.
Speaker 6 (35:46):
They'll just go back to you chucking everything on the
game and that creates delays and you know you can't
you cannot risk The trucking industry is too important to
the territory.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
It absolutely is. Now just on the local government elections,
hopefully today we are going to find out who our
new mayors, who our counselors are. Right across the northern Territory.
I feel like it's been quite the side show it
has this time round. I mean some of the garbage
that's been floated around the place, a little.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Bit more responsible, very peaceful, and Alice were here.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
It's been absolute.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
Well look, I think what has been clear is and
I know we're on a top end radio station, but
the center has really shone these elections. We haven't had
issues around people how to vote and canvassing how to vote.
It's been very civilized in our part of the world world.
But you know, look, there have been allegations about fraudulent behavior.
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That's with the authority, so I believe it's with police
and the Electoral Commission around people, you know, conducting electoral
fraud potentially, So we need to wait and see what
that looks like. And also I think today this afternoon
we actually find out who our elected members are.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yeah, where those preferences flow. I mean, we've seen some
really interesting times, I guess over the last couple of
elections like this time round, of course with the local
government elections with those preferences, but even at the last
Northern Territory government election, you know where in some cases
you've got somebody who's in third place essentially then leapfrogging
into first as a result of these preferences.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
It's going to be like that.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
It is I Alic Springs and Darwin, how they said
postals will be done today, then I'll look at preferences.
I think both are still going to be very very close.
Betwere Alis and Darwin, and if they're within I think
it's one hundred votes after preferences. And then I said
candidates can ask for a recount. All the Electricmission may
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do a recount. So look, I'd love to see results today.
Funnily enough, k I don't think we'll see results. So
I think it's going to be that close. If you
look at the last Ali Springs election from mayor, it
ended up it was one vote and it went backwards
and forwards for weeks and weeks and weeks.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
And like Alice Brings, the way which we the Council
does preferencing is like the Senate, it's proportional percentage preferencing.
So what we might actually see is someone who got
a quota, who has enough for two quotas if their
preferences follow their how to vote, Someone who potentially got
two hundred votes could be ending up on the council.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
How is that?
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Like?
Speaker 1 (38:23):
That's wild? Do we need to look at the way
in which these preferences work and look at the legislation.
I don't think that that's what anybody expects. I get
that it's the rule.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
I think the government will certainly, well, most governments consider
electoral reform anyway, whether it's an update. The Electoral Commissioner
always provides a briefing. So I guess that's a question
for Bill. Are they going to look at any electoral
reform this time?
Speaker 4 (38:46):
And generally, way the preferences work is in most cases
it is what the people wants and then that's the
way that the preferential system works, and you generally get
the person that the community is looking for. Excuse me, Katie, Look,
it's going to be to see what happens today. I
think it's going to be very very close, both darl
And and out Springs. I'd love to see result of that,
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don't We're going to get it.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah, we'd all like to see one.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Preferences are interesting.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
If you look at Fanny Bay, the third candidate became
the first candidates Night and Fanny Bay, it's very interesting.
So I think some things to certainly watch in that space.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
I think it'll be interesting, be interesting to see how
how if people actually followed the boat because here in
Dale and there was a past of thousands, you know,
and you giggled, you hand it amountain of paper when
you walk in, and then you and people just want
to get out. So okay, who do I want? I'll
tick that person and then maybe ban man just get
rid of.
Speaker 6 (39:42):
The Gary bloody bill and me. We had twenty five
candidates in Alice Springs. You're walking in. I've never had
that many people.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
On a ballot paper.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
So you get down and you get to like you
get to seventeen, and you're like, have I done six?
Speaker 5 (39:55):
So you know, I don't mind, I went through. I
went right now now just go cross.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Reference make worse than when you get to the bottom
and you go, oh yeah, bugger off forgot to put
that person in.
Speaker 6 (40:04):
But I think in all honesty, there have been some
questions that need to be answered by their local government minister.
And that's in the Bush where they've compressed the voting
times through the Electrical Commission. So what we were hearing
out Bush is that people saying we used to have
the councils used to be involved in it.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
They weren't this time around.
Speaker 6 (40:23):
It was just the Electric Commission and we had some
remote communities where there was only voting on.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
For like an hour.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
So you know, we don't want to disenfranchise our remote
territorians from our democratic processes.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Look, we're going to take a really quick break before
we get ready to wrap up for the morning. You
are listening to Mixwellow four point nine. It is the
week that was well you have been listening to the
week that wasn't in the studio of course this morning
we've got Bill Yan, Chancey Paig and Gary Shipway and
Well Bell's message through and said, good morning, Katie, what's
going on this morning on your show? Everyone's being civil
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with one another, no oc spray and used reckons. Bell
it's mill from Darwin.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Right next to me.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
I went in to buy I wanted to buy some
the other day, Katie, but they'd already sold out.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Any Oh that's all right, mate, no need, no need.
It's been wonderful to have you all in the studio
this morning. And do want to say before you go,
Happy Father's Day to the dad's in here. For Sunday.
I hope you have a greater great Sunday and to
remorm kids that better remind them.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
Hey, Katie, just on that obviously, shout out to all
the dads and all the male role models and caregivers
in child protection spaces.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
It's good.
Speaker 6 (41:33):
One thing I just wanted to touch on. We've had
the privilege of having the premiere film screening of Kangaroo
in Our Springs that is in every Australian cinema this
weekend for Father's Day. Apparently it's for free, so free screening,
take your dad down and watch.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
Josh Bergan was down there with his daughter and Ali
Springs for the opening at Harrel Luon on the Red carpet,
which was great to see. And of course this weekend
Father's y Al Springs Red Center NATS, so get your
backs up.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
So for all of.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
Pectral heads out there, get all the springs for red
SUTNNTS skids burnouts.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Wonderful And can I just say that Chancey Pike's committed
to growing a full mullet for next year's Red Center NATS.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
I'll try, I'll try, Black Little Jack.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
No, I don't think I could pull a mullet off.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Katie, Oh, you could have the ring of head.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
I think you're going for the handlebarstas chop a mustache, Stea.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah, we haven't worked out Gary, but we will.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
I just want to get my hair back.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Oh. Thank you all so much for your time this morning.
Chancey Paig, thank you for joining us. Thank you, Katie,
Bill Yeah, thank you. It's great to be here, Katie,
Gary ship Way, thank you.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Thanks Katie, have a great weekend you two.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three
sixty
It's time for the week that was, and in the
studio with us today for labor. We've got Chancey pay
Good morning Chancey.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Good morning Katie and shout out to everyone tuned in.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Good to have you on the show. We have got
from the colp the Treasurer, Bill Yan, Good morning to you, Bill.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
End.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
And we've got Gary Shipway, the head of news at
the NT News. Lovely to have you in the studio.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Iren Cati.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I just want to give a shout out to the
Darlin Salties wheelchair team.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Yah.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Yeah, time national champions.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Wonderful, wonderful effort. Good on them, big shout out to them. Now, look,
there is so much up for discussion this morning, but
we might kick off with the fact that the government
is set to restructure its integrity officers, including the Independent
Commissioner against Corruption the IKAK, after a report was released
yesterday and Will found that under resource staff was struggling
(00:52):
under the weight of pervasive pressure and well the Territorians
have essentially lost confidence in the effectiveness of the IKAK.
Now the government released this review into the structural models
for statutory integrity Officers. So it wasn't just the i
CAAC but also looking into the Ombudsman, Information Commissioner, Health
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and Community Services Complaints Commission, and the Northern Territory Ordered
General's Office, with all officers found to have serious internal challenges.
Now it's dubbed the McClintock Haighley highly I should say
Review and found that there's been damaged to the public
reputation and standing of the IKAK and that the public
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standing must be re established. So essentially, what we're now
looking at is a restructure that's sort of going to
mean that all of these bodies are potentially going to
go into one office still operating I suppose independently to
some degree with different commissioners. An interesting move, but bill
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sounds like it's going to happen as a result of
this review.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah, so high McClintock came in and done a really
good deep dive and look at what was happening with
the ik And we know since the ikak's inception it's
been plagued with issues and honestly, okay, the public have
lost faith in IKAK and that office and what it
stood for. So I think it's very timy with this report.
And what the report came out with is that we
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need to look at how everything operates. So now we'll
have an Integrity Commissioner who sits across those three officers.
That will be a CEO that sits under them, and
then you'd have those three statutory bodies, so the IKAK
as it stands now, Health Complaints Commission and of course
the Omansman and Information Commissioner.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
So they'll sit under there.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
So the way the structure work will certainly help with
resources for all of them, and the Ordered General sit
off to the side and still maintain that independence alongside
the Integrity Commissioner. So we certainly think it'll provide some
more efficiencies. I believe for those agencies there'll be some
shared resources now.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Which they didn't have before. Being a treasure.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
I'd love to see some savings in this, but I
don't think we're going to see any savings as a
part of it. But I think we'll certainly see some
more efficiencies and the ability for those resources to be
shared across the board. So I think there's going to
be a lot of positives come out of this and
try and restore some of that public confidence back into
that integray.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
My instant thought is who's going to step into a
role like that. You know, we've sort of I don't
know where the struggles the right word, but maybe it
is to even fill the eye CAC position. So how
do we then sort of find somebody who can oversee
the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I think that's going to be the challenge. I mean,
either I have to be a superman or a superwoman
because it is a mammoth task. But you know, having
said that, I think it's a good I think it's
a good idea to try and put them all under
the one umbrella because of the controversy that's been out
there in the public over the ICAC, which is pretty
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sad to see what's happened.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
To change in the structure. Gary allows us to bring
somebody in. It gives them a little bit more authority
over the top. So we're I will probably attract someone
better into that position compared to what the OCAC was previously.
So I think we'll get some very good applicants and
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a lot of people are going to be really really
interested in it.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
He is hoping, because I guess we had faith you
know the last few times as well. Chancey, what do
you make of these changes? I mean, do you think
it's a good idea.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Look, it's Friday, and I'm not going to pick on
Bill this morning. I actually look, am keen. I'm supportive
of the general principle and keen to have the time
to look at it in more detail. But I think
when Labor brought in the IKAC Commission, it had a
particular purpose to give that guarantee and the surety to territory.
And I think one of the issues that we have
seen is people can't and don't separate corruption out from
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integrity issues. So I think actually bringing them together having
an integrity commission is a very important and a very
worthwhile thing to do. So yeah, look very keen, very
supportive of the general kind of view that's been put
out there and what is spoken about. We'll look at
the detail and then work through. But I think it
is a good thing and bringing those officers together. They'll
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still work in their statutory remit and independently, but in
one commission, I think it is good. I think when
you do talk to people as we all do, like
I said, it's hard for people sometimes to separate what
is something that is alleged corruption activity versus what is
something that is around the integrity of something. So having
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a one big commission that can look at those issues
and delegate to our areas is impact.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Hopefully going to be a good thing. Tell me how
soon do you think it's going to get up and running, Bill.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Well, we're going to have to move fairly quickly on
this because at the moment we've got an acting EYKAC.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
We've got acting a few positions.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
And we've got actings everywhere, so we're going to need
to move fairly quickly on especially the.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Dude diligence still has to be done.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
We only got the report from McLintock and highly just recently,
so now that's out for everybody to have a look at.
So now we need to look at how that structure
works and then and then look to recruiting to those
positions because I think we've got an acting omwardsman at
the moment and acting Health Complaints Commissioner, so all those
statutory roles that will sit below the Integrity Commissioner needs
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to be filled. We need to find a CEO as well,
so that's part of that structure.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
So is it going to cost more money than what
we're currently you know, spending on all of these positions
to then essentially put somebody into oversee them all.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
We'll have to wait and see where the structure sits cadence.
Then look at the positions in those other agencies too,
look at the positions that sit within IKAK, within those
other three statutory bodies underneath, and see how then they
fit with that new structure.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
So we may have to employ somebody else, we may not.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I haven't delved really deep into that as yet, and
that's something we yet to do. But I'm going to
have to look at those all structures to see what
staffing is in the now.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
Now We're keen to keep an eye on it as well,
like is this new all going to centralize everyone into
a one stop shop where they're all co located or not.
But I think, as Gary said before, it might actually
increase people's interest to want to do it. Given that
it's an amalgamation of some sorts of all of these
independent offices that are scattered, a christ being in one
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location supporting one another, to then support a CEO and
a commissioner, it might actually sprook people's interests.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I think, you know, if you've got investigating offices across
all these agencies. It doesn't. It wouldn't be unusual if
people were working across multiple the case the cases, it
would be integrity. Where it be in health, will it
be in OK? They're a task to be investigating officers.
So I would wouldn't be a model that I wouldn't
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be workable.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Now, look, it wasn't the only interesting thing that happened
in Parliament yesterday, Bill Yan you and ounce that, well
you're getting rid of the shade structure, will at least
the plants on the shade structure, you know, basically saying
this that it was I'm trying to think of the
right words, but that it was all you know, that
it was a labor misappened, that they ignored expert advice
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and planted the wrong vines. Why don't we just find
some new plants to plant.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Well, here's the thing, Katie, even if I found some
new vine, very good at gardening A. I can see
you now my thumbs are particularly green. Even if I
went and planted some new vines, k, there's still that
ongoing maintenance function. It's costing you one hundred and twenty
thousand bucks.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
You want to come and bay it looks really nice
when is that vine growing?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
But I managed, they managed to put the right wine
on that one Cado. I remember it was Keysier years
ago in parliament actually got up, I think, and during
one of her speeches spoke about the vines and actually
said that the wrong wine was put in there.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
And she's a woman who can grow things.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Yeah, Cusa did and grow stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
But when But when you look at the shade structure
as it sits k that we paid one hundred and
twenty thousand bucks a year to maintain something that's not.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Providing any shade.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
So every time they used to do the maintenance during
a day, which costs us a little bit less money,
but then of course that obstructed business is there, so
then it had to go back to nights and on weekends.
So you've got a road road closure, you've got scissor lifts,
someone up there moving the wines around, trying to get
them to grow, and it just it's an ongoing cost
that we just can't afford to do anymore, Katie.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
So what's it going to look like? What are we
going to do here? Keep this shade structure.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
The structure of the structure will remain, Kadi.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
The structure is.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
There's nothing wrong with the structure itself.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
It's for wine.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
People said, whine, you put some shade cloth over. If
I put shake cloth up, I've gotta pull it down
every wet season side clothes. I can't put anything hard
on it because it's not engineered for that. So there's
some lights already on it which have never worked properly
because the irrigation system that was put in wrecked.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
The lights they're going to turn into a light show.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Well, I've said my pop down to Buttings and get
some fairy lights and string some fairy lights.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I see you up there doing that.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I'll get up there seriousness though, because it is a
big structure and it's right in town, so we don't
want it to look garbage. And I know at the
moment it's not ideal with the plants growing on there.
But I've got to say I've been one of those
people that's always been hopeful that the plants would grow.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Yeah, I think everyone's been pretty hateful, Katie, and I
think we've been hoping for a long time.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
And yeah, keysy Epuric's just message bloody there we go.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
So Keys is right, So look, we'll get rid of
the vines so we can save some money, because I
can't keep throwing money at this hoping that the vine
is going to grove, that it's not going to grow.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Every time I walk under, I've got to wear a.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Hat so I don't get someburn on my head because
there's not a lot of shade. Be diagonal, so you'll
get cross hats, some burn on my logan. But I said,
we'll fix the lights are up there, maybe put some
more lights in, because the actual structure itself is fine.
There's no dramas for the structure. It's actually quite a
pretty structure. So we'll leave the structure there, get some
lights on it so it's at night.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
It'll be quite striking at the end of the day.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
And we'll leave the structure there and we'll reduce our
maintenance costs all this thing.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
And I hope so it looks all right.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah, it's a big disappointment. Yeah, I mean, it looked
like a good idea, but you know, and it would
have and shade in the city is obviously a good
thing because we are a hot place. But it ranks
one of the biggest disappointments, almost like the playground down
and down here.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
At Miley Point, which it's not very big.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Did anyone uses because it's too hot?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Well, And look, I was one of the first people
to you know, to give the former government stick over
the fact that the plant wasn't growing. But I all,
like I do and did remain hopeful that it would
end up being something that looked good, you know, that
did eventually grow, and the theory and the idea behind
it was you know, it was a good one in
the sense that it was to provide that shade.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Look, I think I'm with Keysier on this one. I
think if we plant the bloody right vine, we might
get some growth like we have down at Carlum Bay.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Look, I think, first of all, as Bill has spoken.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
About, it is quite a beautiful structure. It's actually good
much timber from Arnham Land, so it's got that great
incorporation into the territory. Look, I think that was hard
of a trial that the previous government did around mitigating
areas in the in the CBD around heat. So when
you do look down that street now, it is beautiful.
It's a canvas of trees. Yes, the vines never got
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to where we would have liked them to have gotten.
Bills come out and said that they're going to do
it up with some snazzy lights. So he might be
there at hanging them up himself.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
But but you know they'ven popped out of bunches, and you.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Know it's a you know, like I think that's important thing.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
It was part of a trial.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
Yes, the vines weren't the right vines. We found out
would have liked to have seen the right vines planted.
If you do look at Caulum Bay, that's what it
should have looked like. So unfortunately it never quite got there.
But hopefully we can see it continue and some stuff happening.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
There's no doubt it does look it has in half
that street. It gives us a nice an bounce as
you're walking down the street, you know. And there's a
lot of stuff going on in the city. Councils doing
a lot of stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
You see the development going over here in the Bennett
Street that's going to redo the lang maybe between the
whole that's going to beautiful Airy If once it's completed,
it's going to add a whole new field fill the city.
The work that Smith Street works caused a bit of anks,
but you start to see it. Yeah coming out now, Yeah,
I think it's going to be right.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I'm not sure about those massive rocks though on slots right,
I agree with that anyway.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
They're big.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
There's an upside of rock shading. Had a lot of.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Maintenance, no plants on those. All right, we're going to
take a bit of a break. You are listening to
Mix one oh four nines three sixty. It is the
week that was. You are listening to Mix one oh
four nines three sixty. It is the week that was.
If you've just joined us, We've got Gary Shipway, We've
got Chancey Pagan, We've got Bill Yan in the studio
this morning. Now, unfortunately, some terrible news out of Alice Springs.
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Like yesterday a seventy seven year old woman well, she's
held her own. After a home invasion in Alice, the
woman returned to her East Side home and noticed a
broken window people inside yesterday Now police say the offenders
grabbed the woman's hair, They knocked it to the ground
and took her car keys, but the seventy seven year
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old managed to approach them in her car, took back
her keys and snapped a photo of the offenders. They
fled with her stolen jewelry, but good on her. The
seventy seven year old said, bugger you, you're not taking
my stuff.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Absolutely okay. It's really tragic that this is happening. It's
become all too common, and that's one of the things
that we're trying to tackle it home and that's what
we made all these changes to different laws, whether it
be Declan's Law, changes to the BAOL Act, and a
number of others to deal with these offenders. And it's
sad that this has happened. Like, kudos to that seventy
seven year old woman for getting out there and getting
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a stuff back. But I suppose this leads into that
bigger discussion we're going to have about back the spray.
It's a tool that somebody can use to protect themselves
or deal with those sorts of issues. But I'm glad
she's got a picture of these young men that have
attacked and given that young women or young women and
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given that to police and hopefully, I said, police deal
with them and they will face the consequences for their actions.
So we've got to stop this stuff from happening, whether
it's al Springs, Darwin, Catherine so it's just it's been
a level of escalation in crime over a period of
time now, and we've got to start to wind that back.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I think from my point of view, and I'm not
a local person, but you know, coming from average O
Blow's position, the thing that's alarming is the age of
the alleged defenders. I mean, I think one was ten,
one was fourteen, But you know, and that's consistent. There's
a lot of young people committing these crimes. And I
think that's why people and it'd be hard for you, Chancy.
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That's why I think it's hard for you place to
get your position through because people out there in the
public will be seen this and say, well, wow, this
is this is why we change government. So it's a
it's a really difficult a situation. It's not just Alice,
it's Catherine.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, well Dale and we spoke about it a couple
of weeks ago where Sushira from Kota was targeted as
she was on her way to work one morning and
rock's thrown at her. I mean, the situation here with
the seventy seven year old, you know, like you said, Bill,
it does sort of make you think, all right, well,
we've got the OC spray roll out, you never know
how or if you're actually going to know what to
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do either, though, when you're in a situation.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Like that, I think, Katie, you know, you know, we
need to think and remember here, like I mean, the
territory does breed. Our scene is pretty tough, but you know,
we shouldn't have to. And I think that the issue
that we're seeing here as we're talking about is, you know,
property crime and people being assaulted. And I have always
said and I've always acknowledged that there have been some
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decreases in those areas, but again I always say that
there needs to be more done in that prevention space
because kids are obviously wandering around at particular hours when
they shouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
My concern though.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Is like with the pepper spray, this is a strong
old girl who's been able to defend herself and get
her stuff back, but there are instances that we need
to be careful of where this pepper spray could actually
be used by the perpetrators on the victim to further
create harm and stealing and so forth. So I think,
you know, yep, we acknowledge it's been passed, it's been
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an operation I think for three days now, Bill, Yeah,
so it's been an operation. So look, our job now
is to you know, keep an eye on the roll out,
ask questions when people raise those concerns with us, and
moving forward around how it's working.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
So five hundred and fifty OC spray OC sales OC
spray sales is what I'm trying to say this week,
since Territorians were able to purchase it on Monday. Now
we heard from the Chief Minister the system in place
immediately identified on that first day four people who are
ineligible to buy that spray. It's believed that one was
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served with an notis to appear. That number grew to
eight throughout the week. The average age of the OC
spray bar is forty seven. Now, Chancey, you got us
all talking earlier in the week when you dared the
CLP to get sprayed outside of Parliament House.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
What about you, mate?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Are you prepared to give it a go?
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Hey, if everyone of the CLP is, I will. I
mean Bill's probably already been sprayed being incorrection, but.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
I've got sprayed a eap of time.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, I think, like asked me, I'd.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Rather get sprayed with pepper spray than have a criminal
come and attack me with a steel bar or at
the end of the day, because okay, pepper spray is
going to hurt. I'm going to be out of action
for about fifteen to twenty minutes, but I'm not going
to be permanently harmed.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
And I think that's the way I look at it.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
So everyone's saying, Okay, the criminals will take it off
in spray, But trust me, I'd rather be sprayed with
pepper spray than be attacked with a weapon, because I
know I'm going to come out the other side of
pepper spray without any permanent injuries.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Well, particularly if you're talking about knives or crossbows and
that thing.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
And it's interesting, you know, like Harry Bryl, who did
our story went down and he was speaking to and
dusk if the shore went down as all they were
speaking to the store approtors and the stories they're giving
about the people who are mainly in the forties and
fifties buying it. And you know, there was one lady
there said, look, you know I want to have to
carry screwdriver in my person in and for that my
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screwdriver have for hairspray. So people already walking around with you.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I guess I worry.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
I've seen at home, elderly people getting out of their
car in the supermarket car park, and people move in
large numbers, and I just worry that someone's going to
become intimidated by what they've seen. They're going to pull
out their their pepper spray, and then a group of
people are going to intervene, and then that person becomes helpless. So,
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you know, I acknowledge that there's more work that needs
to be done in this space. Our job as the
opposition is to, you know, ask the question, see how
it rolls out it's asked. You know, Bill and I
have experienced that incorrections, but I think, you know, this
is something that we will see how it rolls out.
I mean, the Chief Minister said it is a trial,
so we're going to keep an eye on that trial.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Now.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I've got some updated numbers. Six hundred and twenty five
people have now purchased more than one thousand O C
spray canisters. They're the stats for today.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
I popped in and caught up with Ronald's Fishing out
or World during the week, just to see how things
were going. Of course, they'd sold out in a day
or two. While I was there, I think he took
five home calls about the stuff. But the thing is
in those stories because he told me some of those
stories as well, and he said, well, it's there's been
a mix male and female. But he said the story
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is coming from the females has been that they want
just that extra level of protection, particularly even in the CB.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Do you hear walking to.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
And from the cars from work because they feel unsafe.
Now it's a bit different from me. I said, I'm
one hundred and five kla bloke. I've been around a
little bit. I'm not particularly concerned.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
But if you're a young woman small walking to and
from your vehicle or.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Going going for your walks in the morning, that just
that extra level of security, knowing that it's a tool
that you can use to get yourself out of trouble.
I can tell you now, Codie me all my using corrections,
it was not that many times that it was used.
People pull it out a lot, and a minute it
comes out. I think people know what it actually does
and it immediately.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
De escalates a situation. So I think we'll see that.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
I think we also just to be clear on what
the purpose is. Like we've heard people saying that they've
actually brought it not for that purpose, but to go
walking for dogget so that they can spray it on
a dog if they feel like well, so, I think,
just to be clear, yeah, there have been a number
of sales, but I don't think we will entirely know
what they will do.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
To me, Like as a as a small woman who's
had a stalker, who's being followed, who's had very uncomfortable situations,
went out for a run without exercising, who's who also
felt incredibly frightened different times when people have approached me
while out for a run. And I'm pretty good at
being able to talk myself out of a situation, There's
no doubt about that. But I you know, I haven't
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raced out to buy a canister. I probably will. I
probably will have one. I do not intend to use
it unless I am confronted with a really dangerous situation
that I feel that I cannot talk my way out of,
you know, and that's for me, I think it is.
It's it's a backup that I do not want to
have to use. I'll make that really clear. But you know,
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but I am somebody who's been in dangerous situations where
I felt bloody scared.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
I think that's the point with this is now it's
past the government have done it. It's got to be reviewed.
We've got to ask the questions. I think we've seen
some concerns from people in the domestic and family violence
space where there could be misidentification, where perpetrator uses it
on a victim in a DV altercation. So look, I
think right now it's done. We've got a process to follow,
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got reviews, We've got people to kind of talk to,
and then we can make a decision whether it is
an effective tool or not.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
That's the approach people will respect.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah, Hey, just an update so on that situation in
Alice Springs. So it was about six fifteen yesterday. The
police have now issued a statement and they say that
two female youths aged eleven and fourteen were located nearby
and arrested. The eleven year old dent dealt with under
the provisions of Youth Justice Act. A fourteen year old
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charged with aggravated burglary, aggravated robbery and damage to property
due to appear in court today. I mean it's a
worrying situation eleven and fourteen. You know, the thing that
I find concerning as well is that lack of respect
for our senior territorians and those that are more vulnerable.
And you know, I do it worries me, and you know,
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like I guess, it worries me more. I've got kids
that age, and I know I do not forget my privilege.
And I know that my children are very lucky to
grow up in a home where you know where, I
know where they are, and and I'm raising them to
respect those that are senior, particularly you know, if I'm
at the shopping center, I'm encouraging my son to open
the door for seniors and to do the right thing.
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And I know that not everybody grows up in that
kind of environment, but I just I think it's so
important that our senior territorians are safe.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Well, we've seen an escalation, sadly cut over a number
of years now where we have young people specifically targeting seniors.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
We see it in our supermarks.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
I know we've see Alison the same thing up here
and in other places where they will specifically target elder
people because they see them as easy targets and that's
absolutely disgusting and shameful that that actually happens. So I said,
we need to deal with those people that commit those offenses,
and I said support our seniors at the end of
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the day as well.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Yeah, Look, I think what we do need to do
is all work together around how do we empower people
in our community to feel safe? How do we empower
people to be respected? And I think that's work that
we can all do together. I think one of.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
The issues that we do see is elder abuse.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
In its many forms, and a lot of it is
largely driven as well through a lens of people living
in abject poverty.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
When you look at a scene your what do you see.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
You see someone who is getting the age care pension
who you can target. We've seen it, We've heard the
stories of it in our towns, in our cities. So
what can we all do as a collective to better
support that process and you know, getting people the support
that they need, but also making people feel safe enough
that they can go out and that they can go
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to their groups and so forth and feel comfortable.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Hey, one of the other bits of legislation, I'm not
one hundred percent sure whether it passed or whether it
was just introduced this week, but the PPSO legislation, so
the bill adding a police public safety officer to sections
nineteen and one six four of the Police Administration Act,
so will now read a member of the police force
or a special constable or an Aboriginal community police officer
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or a police auxiliary or a public safety officer. Has
it just been introduced or did it pass as well?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Built No, that was introduced and passed Yestercadi. So this
was a specifically administrative function. So you have to create
the position to be able to then go out and
do the consultation on what then is in that job description.
So it was it was an interesting thing because normally,
normally you do the consultation on the other side and
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then do the next bit. But the way that the
Police Administration Act is written and the work that has
to be done, you actually have to create the position
to then start doing the work around what the position
description is.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
And we made that commitment that we need.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
These ppsos on the ground early next year. So if
we had to delay introducing this legislation and creating the position,
this administrative part of it, then it would have delayed
that consultation and then of course delayed the training courses
and we would have pushed back by months getting those
PPSAs on the ground. So this is like an administrative
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function to create the position. It's not what the position
is and what it does yet that is the next
piece of work.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I know I mentioned this yesterday, but if we got
anyone that's actually wanting to become one, I mean that's
sort of what we're hearing that those public housing safety
offices and also the transport safety officers aren't that keen
to transition across.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Well, I know that within because I can only speak
for DLAW. I know that the number of the transit
safety officers are keen to move across. But the sticking
point has been they didn't know what the paying conditions
were going to be, right because we have to create
the position, which was done yesterday. So once you create
the position, then you can start working up what the
paying conditions and roles within that job will be. So
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this will go. This is that next step for them,
particularly for my team within DLI, to look at what
their job is and is it right for me?
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Is it not right for me?
Speaker 4 (28:08):
But I know there's a number of people who are
pretty kind of moving over and look, it's good career
options for them as well in career progression.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Okatie, I'm going to call bullshitting.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
Because the government introduced this on the eighteenth of June
this year. We all knew it was out there, they
knew that they wanted to do. We started parliament off
this Tuesday, no mention of this, no mention of it
all up until Wednesday till six thirty when they offered.
The Opposition are briefing Independence are getting briefed at nine
point thirty at night about this.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
So if the government were actually planning and had.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
An agenda where they knew what they were doing, they
would have given us notice earlier. We would have known
about it at the start of the week. We would
have had time to talk to people about it because
people are rightly unsure.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Now this is.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Finally just rushing it through. Lond I didn't have anything
else to run.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
This is absolutely being rushed through because the Chief Minister
ran back to the fifth floor yelling and score me
saying I need something to bring in.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
So we've got a bill to pass.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
Because the Attorney General failed, she failed to deliver her
anti discrimination bill and she's saying she needs to go
out and consult with the government. Did believe in their
own legisative scrutiny committee they would have sent the anti
discrimination bill there, could have had consultation, could have been
passed this city.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Still, Is that what happens?
Speaker 5 (29:18):
No, certainly not, Katie. It's great.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I think that's not your behalf, Katie.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
When I went over and asked members of Cabinet when
it was coming on and was it being done on urgency,
they were saying, look, the Chief Minister hasn't made up
her mind yet. So right up until Wednesday night they
were still talking about whether they do it on urgency.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Did you believe in when they said that?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
No, of course, not exactly what I would saying.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
You know, like I mean, it's not unusual for governments
with a strong majority. Just so you said that mister
ram stuff through to push their agenda through. So clearly
this is what's happened here. This is part of their
law and order agenda.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
Yeah, but for a government that claims to be open,
transparent and accountable, why not everyone and why not make
a big song and dance of it at the start
of the week. You want to be a tough on
crime government. This is one thing that you've heralded as
a signature policy, yet you're silent about it until Wednesday night.
To pass on Thursday morning sounds dodgy to me.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
This is this is not actual the actual policy that's
still to be debated.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
What all it is?
Speaker 5 (30:22):
I said, as I said.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
This is an administrative function that came up that all
of sudden we had to deal with because it became
an issue and would have delayed bringing those ppsos online.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
So Junment didn't even know up until Wednesday that this
had to be a legislative instrument.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
No, we found out it had to be a legislative instruments.
That's why that's why we bought on an urgency.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
When did you find out?
Speaker 5 (30:47):
I can't remember exactly which day.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
That sounds dodgy to me. You must have known absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
So to sit there and speculate on what the government
does and government does, and if.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
It's in a speculation your own cabinet colleagues said, if
you don't know, if it's he's not sitting up there
on the fifth floor, which you got on the moment,
I will such very hard for you to speak.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
You in my ten years standing behind this microphone. I've
definitely heard a few governments or a few chief ministers
say we're open and transparent and we're going to do this,
and we're going to do that, and then it doesn't
doesn't necessarily flow the way that you expect it to.
But look, we are going to take a really quick
break because I want to talk about the rock throwing
in Catherine. Further rock throwing in Catherine apparently overnight, So
(31:26):
more on that in just a moment's time. You are
listening to the week that was in the studio this morning.
We have got Gary Shipway from the NT News. For
the COLP, we've got Bill Yan and for labor we've
got Chancey Paik. Now, unfortunately, Road Trains of Australia's manager,
Nick Verica has called in just a moment ago to
say that there were more trucks ropped in Catherine last night.
(31:49):
Two more trucks hit at ten thirty pm in the
main street opposite Woolworths. He called the police to report it.
Still waiting on a follow up. He's wondering if Bill
wants to jump in and come for a drive with him. Bill,
what do you reckon?
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Was happy to go have for riding truck Katie being
a truck mechanic.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, I bet, But what I mean like dead see it.
I know that these things flear up from time to time,
but this is so incredibly dangerous first off, and then
the on flow in so many different ways, Like it's
you know, it's a terrible situation to have our truck.
He's trying to transport our goods. I mean he's got
live stock, trying to transport our goods and having to
(32:26):
deal with this garbage.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
But behave you can you imagine a blog transporting two
trailers of livestock trying to stop. He's just been hitting
the head by a rock. What danger does that present
to everyone else on the road, not only just to him,
but to everyone that's coming the other way. It's ridiculous, stupid.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
Yeah, Katie, this is like the trucking industry is so
important to the Northern Territory and goods and services are
up and down that Stewart Highway, the VIC Highway, the
Tanamite every single day. And you know, my dad used
to be a truck driver. We know how important this
industry is. We know how terrifying it can be for
a truckee when they have a rock flying through their
(33:03):
window or their windscreen. So I think there are some
things I reckon we should be looking at. One is
that crime prevention by design with those councils. Are they
using the right landscaping equipment. Don't put big boulders in
and out of towns within CBDs? And I think Bill
in Santa Terresa, they had kids throwing rocks there. They
(33:23):
got victims of crime or one of those organizations out.
They did a bit of a video and storytelling thing
with the kids about throwing rocks and the consequences that
has on doing it, and they've seen a reduction there.
So I think there are a few good things that
we certainly can do.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
We spoke about this yesterday, okay, and this is so
dangerous and these kids don't know the consequences of what
they're doing. They think it's fun throwing rocks of trucks
and rocks of people. We know the guy in l
Springs who lost an eye because of this, driving up
to an intersection and his life is now changed forever
by some idiot throwing a rock. But as Gary said,
(33:59):
the consequences for this are so far reaching. Throwing rocks
at trucks because you disable a road train driver with
sixty tons of equipment. If you lose control what happens next?
Who else then is in danger? And I know the
police have been doing some work down there in Catherine.
I know children and families and with the Circuit Breaker
program have been doing some work and we spoke again
(34:20):
about that yesterday to try and identify who these kids
are and deal with them, because this sort of stuff
can't continue. Someone is going to get hurt again, someone
could even possibly be killed, and it could be an
absolute innocent bystander that is then going to end up
into your kill. Because of this, it has to stop.
Katie and these kids and these people need to be
(34:43):
made aware of what their actions can do.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Well.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Also, I mean absolutely needs to be work with the
kids so they understand the consequences because let's not forget
the territory imputs a lot of our tucker. So if
these road trains are getting off the road, then that's
limiting goods and services coming into the territory and it's
limiting our markets and our exports getting out. So, you know,
(35:06):
doing that work, I think two main parts I'd encourage
the government to do, which Bill's spoken about is education
campaigns and understanding the consequences of rock throwing and then working.
We've got all these new councils. We should find out
today who the councils are. Hopefully fingers crossed, but you know,
new councils, crime prevention by design. What are things that
(35:26):
we can do that will absolutely deter people from doing it?
Make sure that there aren't big rocks as you enter
in and out of towns and CBDs.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
In the meantime, I mean, are we going to wind
up in a situation here with they've got to have
security escorts or somebody getting them in and out of town.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Well, you'll end up having trucks looking at the Mad
Max movie, the metal on the side, you know, grills
on the front, or.
Speaker 6 (35:46):
They'll just go back to you chucking everything on the
game and that creates delays and you know you can't
you cannot risk The trucking industry is too important to
the territory.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
It absolutely is. Now just on the local government elections,
hopefully today we are going to find out who our
new mayors, who our counselors are. Right across the northern Territory.
I feel like it's been quite the side show it
has this time round. I mean some of the garbage
that's been floated around the place, a little.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Bit more responsible, very peaceful, and Alice were here.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
It's been absolute.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
Well look, I think what has been clear is and
I know we're on a top end radio station, but
the center has really shone these elections. We haven't had
issues around people how to vote and canvassing how to vote.
It's been very civilized in our part of the world world.
But you know, look, there have been allegations about fraudulent behavior.
(36:49):
That's with the authority, so I believe it's with police
and the Electoral Commission around people, you know, conducting electoral
fraud potentially, So we need to wait and see what
that looks like. And also I think today this afternoon
we actually find out who our elected members are.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yeah, where those preferences flow. I mean, we've seen some
really interesting times, I guess over the last couple of
elections like this time round, of course with the local
government elections with those preferences, but even at the last
Northern Territory government election, you know where in some cases
you've got somebody who's in third place essentially then leapfrogging
into first as a result of these preferences.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
It's going to be like that.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
It is I Alic Springs and Darwin, how they said
postals will be done today, then I'll look at preferences.
I think both are still going to be very very close.
Betwere Alis and Darwin, and if they're within I think
it's one hundred votes after preferences. And then I said
candidates can ask for a recount. All the Electricmission may
(37:45):
do a recount. So look, I'd love to see results today.
Funnily enough, k I don't think we'll see results. So
I think it's going to be that close. If you
look at the last Ali Springs election from mayor, it
ended up it was one vote and it went backwards
and forwards for weeks and weeks and weeks.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
And like Alice Brings, the way which we the Council
does preferencing is like the Senate, it's proportional percentage preferencing.
So what we might actually see is someone who got
a quota, who has enough for two quotas if their
preferences follow their how to vote, Someone who potentially got
two hundred votes could be ending up on the council.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
How is that?
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Like?
Speaker 1 (38:23):
That's wild? Do we need to look at the way
in which these preferences work and look at the legislation.
I don't think that that's what anybody expects. I get
that it's the rule.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
I think the government will certainly, well, most governments consider
electoral reform anyway, whether it's an update. The Electoral Commissioner
always provides a briefing. So I guess that's a question
for Bill. Are they going to look at any electoral
reform this time?
Speaker 4 (38:46):
And generally, way the preferences work is in most cases
it is what the people wants and then that's the
way that the preferential system works, and you generally get
the person that the community is looking for. Excuse me, Katie, Look,
it's going to be to see what happens today. I
think it's going to be very very close, both darl
And and out Springs. I'd love to see result of that,
(39:09):
don't We're going to get it.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah, we'd all like to see one.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Preferences are interesting.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
If you look at Fanny Bay, the third candidate became
the first candidates Night and Fanny Bay, it's very interesting.
So I think some things to certainly watch in that space.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
I think it'll be interesting, be interesting to see how
how if people actually followed the boat because here in
Dale and there was a past of thousands, you know,
and you giggled, you hand it amountain of paper when
you walk in, and then you and people just want
to get out. So okay, who do I want? I'll
tick that person and then maybe ban man just get
rid of.
Speaker 6 (39:42):
The Gary bloody bill and me. We had twenty five
candidates in Alice Springs. You're walking in. I've never had
that many people.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
On a ballot paper.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
So you get down and you get to like you
get to seventeen, and you're like, have I done six?
Speaker 5 (39:55):
So you know, I don't mind, I went through. I
went right now now just go cross.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Reference make worse than when you get to the bottom
and you go, oh yeah, bugger off forgot to put
that person in.
Speaker 6 (40:04):
But I think in all honesty, there have been some
questions that need to be answered by their local government minister.
And that's in the Bush where they've compressed the voting
times through the Electrical Commission. So what we were hearing
out Bush is that people saying we used to have
the councils used to be involved in it.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
They weren't this time around.
Speaker 6 (40:23):
It was just the Electric Commission and we had some
remote communities where there was only voting on.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
For like an hour.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
So you know, we don't want to disenfranchise our remote
territorians from our democratic processes.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Look, we're going to take a really quick break before
we get ready to wrap up for the morning. You
are listening to Mixwellow four point nine. It is the
week that was well you have been listening to the
week that wasn't in the studio of course this morning
we've got Bill Yan, Chancey Paig and Gary Shipway and
Well Bell's message through and said, good morning, Katie, what's
going on this morning on your show? Everyone's being civil
(40:57):
with one another, no oc spray and used reckons. Bell
it's mill from Darwin.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Right next to me.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
I went in to buy I wanted to buy some
the other day, Katie, but they'd already sold out.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Any Oh that's all right, mate, no need, no need.
It's been wonderful to have you all in the studio
this morning. And do want to say before you go,
Happy Father's Day to the dad's in here. For Sunday.
I hope you have a greater great Sunday and to
remorm kids that better remind them.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
Hey, Katie, just on that obviously, shout out to all
the dads and all the male role models and caregivers
in child protection spaces.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
It's good.
Speaker 6 (41:33):
One thing I just wanted to touch on. We've had
the privilege of having the premiere film screening of Kangaroo
in Our Springs that is in every Australian cinema this
weekend for Father's Day. Apparently it's for free, so free screening,
take your dad down and watch.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
Josh Bergan was down there with his daughter and Ali
Springs for the opening at Harrel Luon on the Red carpet,
which was great to see. And of course this weekend
Father's y Al Springs Red Center NATS, so get your
backs up.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
So for all of.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
Pectral heads out there, get all the springs for red
SUTNNTS skids burnouts.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Wonderful And can I just say that Chancey Pike's committed
to growing a full mullet for next year's Red Center NATS.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
I'll try, I'll try, Black Little Jack.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
No, I don't think I could pull a mullet off.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Katie, Oh, you could have the ring of head.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
I think you're going for the handlebarstas chop a mustache, Stea.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah, we haven't worked out Gary, but we will.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
I just want to get my hair back.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Oh. Thank you all so much for your time this morning.
Chancey Paig, thank you for joining us. Thank you, Katie,
Bill Yeah, thank you. It's great to be here, Katie,
Gary ship Way, thank you.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Thanks Katie, have a great weekend you two.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
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