November 20, 2025 • 41 mins
Katie Woolf was joined on the Week That Was by Mix 104.9's Kathleen Gazzola, Independent Member for Araluen/NT Speaker Robyn Lambley, ALP Member for Arafura Manuel Brown and CLP Deputy Chief Minister Gerard Maley
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tell you what a busy, busy hour lined up for
you in the studio with us this morning. We have
got the independent Member for Aarra lun she's also the
Speaker of the Northern Territories Legislative Assembly, Robin Lamley. Good
morning to you, lovely to have you in the studio
and well for the COLP. We have got the Deputy
Chief Minister Jared Maylee.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Good morning Jared, Good morning Katie, and good morning to.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Your listeners and well our journalistic representative this morning, our
very own Kathleen Gazola, Good morning to you. And Manuel Brown,
the member for our Fura and representing well us for
the Labour Party this morning, and a number of those
communities that are indeed going to be impacted today potentially
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by the cyclone. Good morning to you, Manuel, morning everyone,
lovely to have you on the show. Now I might
go to that cyclone update first, and we know that
tropical cyclone Fiena, currently a category one cyclone, is moving
slowly southwest and is expected to strengthen to a category
two system whilst tracking southwest during today. Now it has
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been reanalyzed to be further northwest than before. Fena is
forecast to approach the Coburg Peninsula and Tewee Islands tonight
before continuing southwest through the Van Demon Golf on Saturday.
There continues to be a chance that it could reach
category three intensity during late Friday or early Saturday as
it moves into the Van Demon Golf. Now Fena is
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forecast a further intensify to a severe tropical cyclone during
Sunday afternoon into the Southern Team or c so that
is once it passes Darwin. But we are expecting a
further update at about ten thirty this morning. Now this morning,
we also know that Darwin is now part of the
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warning area. Deputy Chief Minister, we might go to you
first in terms of you know this point and that
warning being issued.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Schools.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Everybody is still going to work at this point in time.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
What's the life late, yes, o Katie, everyone is still
going to school. And what the government message is just
to be prepared. Make sure that you've got yourself and
your family enough. Prepare for seventy two hours by yourself.
So we're talking about food, batteries, water, because that will
give you a window there to make sure that you
can look after yourself and your families and don't forget
your loved ones either.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
You know, the older people, the people who you might.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Know or who they're go and make a plan, talk
to them, make sure they're ready to go.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
But it's about being prepared. Don't need to panic.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Things are under control with you know, the Darwin's had
a few cyclones before. As long as you've got that
work and you've got seventy two hours worth of food
and water, things be right. And the schools are open.
But there are announcements at ten thirty today which is
which will give us a further update.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
So at this point in time, are we're expecting at
ten thirty this morning that those that any of our
Darwin schools or the Greater Darwin Region schools or non
essential workers are going to be told to head home.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
I don't want to prehenp what the church you control
is going to do, Katie, but I would say make
sure you listen at ten thirty, go on to the radio,
go on to Facebook, and be prepared and be active
to know what's going to happen at ten treo or
just after ten thirty, because if that is the situation,
there will be steps of people to take go and
pick up to them from school.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, I mean if like, if that winds up being
the situation, could it have been coordinated a little bit better.
I mean, I know it's early days, we don't actually
know what the territory coordinator is going to decide to do.
But then if parents are in a situation where they're
having to leave work to go and collect the kids,
could that have been called a couple hours earlier.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Problem is, Kadie, the cyclone is a forecast map and
you can see it's changing regularly, and what we don't
want to do is put people into a panic. And
at the moment we're at that warning zone, right on
the edge of it. The cyclone just recently has just
changed a little bit in as ways moving. So we
just need to follow the territory coordinator. They've got all
the information. They're the experts, and like I say, be prepared.
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At just after ten thirty, go on to Facebook, go
on the radio, listen to the ABC.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Go well, don't listen to the ABC, because you can
stay here. We've actually got all covered. I mean, if
you want to listen to them later, that's fine. And look,
I do want to point out on that because some
of that communication has been going through them, and I
actually don't think that's right. I actually think it needs
to go through everybody because not everyone's listening to that.
People are listening to a lot of other different media outlets.
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So I actually think it's a government's job, and certainly
the territory coordinator or whoever it may be's job controller
to make sure that everybody's notified of what's going on,
because they don't have many listeners to be really blunked about.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Our secure is the page which is official government page.
So what I do say to people and I'll take
that on board, KD and people are listening about that.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
But nt secure is the official page.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
If you really want the really up to date actor information,
go on to nt secure, go on to their Facebook page.
They will be able to give you the relevant and
most up to date information.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Now manual some of those communities that we are going
to see impacted really first off, for one set full
in your electra, what are you hearing at the moment?
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Yeah, in regular contact with some of the community members
out there at the moment, you know, there's not much
wind and not much rain. It's the calm before the storm.
As we'd like to say, but I'm very impressed with
their proactive approach with the police. They've sent a couple
of members into those communities that do not have police representation,
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and they've coordinated, you know, and had meetings with the
community about which buildings are cyclone encoded and what to do.
So really impressed with how they've worked things.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, that is good and really good to hear that
they're out there in the community, and I know that
that is when we do see, you know, a lot
of those frontline workers, particularly our police, get out there.
They are you know, they're making sure that, you know,
that people are informed of what's going on. Because while
I'm having a crack at the Deputy Chief Minister there
about going to another radio station, what I will say
is that in some of those communities, you know, they're
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literally reliant on what the police are telling them and
people going out and actually talking to them. So it
is incredibly important work out there, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Yes, Yeah, you know, Katie, we live in cyclone territory,
you know, living in the Jordan terrory. Most of these
communities are cyclon resilient, you know, with what's and some
of them are normally cut off anyway from the rest
of you know, from from regional hubs. So yeah, places
like Minelan and war are we Yeah, they've got a
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they'll have a lot of stores in their in their
shops and stuff just for this, for the normal season.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
But then a cyclone comes through. They should be.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
We're pretty tough in the territory, aren't we.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yes, we are well well, We're used to all sorts
of things.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
And you know, yesterday I was at Woolworths.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I was leaving and there was a lady who who
was a senior and she had, you know, been grabbing
a few things, and I asked her if she needed
a hand to get stuff in her car. She said no, no,
she was fine. And then she said to me, I've
lived here for fifty years.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
We're gonna be all right, love. And I thought, you
know what, she would know.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
She'd know because I bet you she's seen plenty of
cyclones over the years. But Robin, it's going to be
then interesting next week. Obviously you're in Darwin at the
moment because parliament's.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
To sit next way, you just sit on Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
What will happen?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I mean, if with this side clone are we expecting
Parliament to still go on next week.
Speaker 8 (07:03):
We are as Speaker, my job is to look after
the Parliament precinct, Parliament House precinct, so we're just like
everyone else, on alert to lock down Parliament House as
soon as a warning is in place. And I do
understand a warning has been announced just earlier, so by
the close of business tonight Parliament House will be locked up.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Is there a bit of mixed messaging at the moment,
because you know, like we'd see, we're obviously in that
warning phase. I mean, should that actually mean that we
are in a situation where non essential workers are not
going to work?
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Well?
Speaker 9 (07:39):
I think it's a bit hard at the moment when
there's no rain or real strong winds here. That sort
of makes the situation a bit strange. I suppose people
in that level of limbo. One thing that I've found
a bit confusing this time around is the new warning
system of the Advice, Watch, an Act and Emergency Warning,
which is that new level of categories that they roll
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out natural disasters rather than the usual watch and warning
that we've had in the past. They've obviously put out
an emergency warning for mine lung to that this morning,
which is basically urging those residents to take cover and
that I suppose impact was imminental within the next few
hours or so, and then I think Darwin might be
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under watch and watch rather than watch an act at
the moment, Jared.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I think it's just been dated.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
Yeah, yeah, morning now.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, So just on that, and I think the point
you're making a good one there is that it's like
it is that bit of cross like a bit of confusion.
Speaker 9 (08:39):
With that, Yeah, the watching ass and the advice, that
kind of level of classification we usually see with bush fires. Yeah,
and I'd imagine Robin experiences that down in the Red Center,
whereas usually up here we've had, you know, a cyclone
watch and then we've had a cyclone warning. Yeah. So yeah,
I think that's just a bit of a funny And
just on.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
That we are we have just actually received a media
release from a Josh Peak from the SDA, which is
indeed the union that represents all of the retail workers, etc.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
And has said that the SDA is.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Written to the Northern Territory Government in Territory Controller requesting
a closure order to be issued well before the cyclone
impacts Darwin to ensure that all workers can get home safely,
saying we cannot afford to see a repeat of cyclone markers.
The government's got a responsibility to act and ensure that
all Territorians well all territorians safety and saying no workers
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should be forced to stay at work or attend work
if it is not safe to do so. So I
know it's a bit of a you know, we're in
a bit of a gray area or in a bit
of alala, I suppose at the moment, unless you are
in one of the remote communities. But it's one of
those things where there's a lot of people sort of
questioning what they should be doing right now.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Remember we've got to rely on the church to control, okadie.
That's a group of experts across the Northern Church.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
You've come together.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
They're sitting at Behrmar and they're working with the gun
and they've got the most accurate information on hand.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
So they are doing a great job.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
And I should actually take this moment to thank them
and the emerging people out there who are doing this
stuff staying away from their families. So I'll just cite
it for a second and say thank you for the
work they all do, but the terretary Controller and that
group of people other people need to listen to. They've
got the information, and I understand the union can call
what they want, but the Chatory Controller is doing a
great job. They will certainly keep the territory safe, and
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they'll do make decisions based on relevant information and accurate
information other than just hearsay.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
And what people think.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
It's really important to get a reliable information based on evidence,
and then that's what the Charitory Controller and that organized
that group of people are going to do.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, but making sure that it's getting out there, making
sure that people are actually getting it, because otherwise that's
where that confusion starts. So I know that yesterday afternoon
they had a press conference, as I understand, at about
two o'clock. Now, so you said they'll be out about
ten thirty this morning, is that correct? Well, I look
forward to finding out exactly what the lay this update is.
Speaker 9 (11:01):
There's a presser at there's a presser at two o'clock.
I'm not sure that there's a ten thirty media in generally.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Like not a press up.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Next update, next update is going to be that's ten thirty.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah. Requestion with secure anti Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
And so look, if we are to go by that
next media alert and when the next press conference is happening,
that's at two o'clock this afternoon. So I would imagine
that there's going to be no changes when it comes
to schools or people at work or anything today if
I'm to sort of, you know, to to see that correctly,
because I would think that if they're changing that and
closing schools, et cetera, there'd be a fairly immediate press
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conference in Darwin specifically. Yeah, but obviously we know that
in some of the community schools are already closed, aren't
they manual.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Yeah, definitely closed, Yeah, war are we and minda Langen.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
And the other thing about so secure messaging is they
put out presses in language, which is amazing.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
Yeah, well you know people can listen.
Speaker 10 (11:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I did not know that yesterday, even at the press
I hadn't really seen an interpreter at a press conference before,
but there was the interpreter there making sure that everybody
in those communities was able to get that message as
quickly as as you know, those speaking English as their
first language.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Amazing work from aas yep.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah, well, look, it's going to be an interesting couple
of days when it comes to the cyclone, there is
no doubt about that.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
We'll all be.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Keeping a really close eye on things and we will
certainly keep you up to date with all of those
updates as they come to hand. But we're going to
take a quick break because there's still plenty more on
the agenda throughout this week. In fact, it's been a
pretty busy one, so we'll take a quick break.
Speaker 10 (12:38):
You are listening to Mix Mix one or four point
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Speaker 1 (12:46):
It is just on twenty two minutes after nine o'clock.
If you've just joined us, well, we have got a
star studded lineup this morning. Robin Lamley, Jared Maylee, Kathleen Gozola,
Emanuel Brown all in the studio with us.
Speaker 10 (12:59):
Now.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
There's been a to discuss this week.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Obviously, cycling's top of mind for everybody this morning. However,
the States and territories are on an absolute collision course
with the Commonwealth over public hospital funding, with the health
ministers expressing anger over a letter from the Prime Minister
demanding that they reign in spending if they want a
funding deal on it now. We caught up with doctor
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John Zorbis, the head of the AMA here in the
Northern Territory, earlier in the week and he said, Katie,
there's no fat to trim, you know, like there's really
no areas where we can be reigning in spending when
we've got one of the sickest populations in Australia and
also we've got, you know, patients coming in from different
parts of remote locations around the Northern Territory. But according
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to this report, Anthony Albanezi made the request in September,
writing to state and territory leaders saying that they must
slash growth if they want a public hospital funding commitment implemented.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
How do you slash growth when it comes to people
being sick?
Speaker 9 (14:00):
Literally, this is my third week that I've worked here
at MIX. Some health has been the number one issue
yes about and I couldn't believe it hearing this story
about this letter from the PM to the ministers calling
for this, It's just outrageous. I can't even fathom what
kind of reaction he thought he was going to get,
and as if people were going to capitulate to be like, oh, okay,
we'll rain in spending. So we have that health funding
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that you already had agreed to but not fulfilling.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Now we'll tell these things that.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Need a hospital bid that they're not able to have one,
like it's just wild years ago.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Sorry, I remember the Northern Territory has got a relatively
small population and a.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Very vast area of land to cover. So you know,
it's different.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
If you're in a city in Sydney, Melbourne, we us
go to the hospital in the next suburb around the corner.
But here in the territory, you've got to travel literally
one hundreds ofipometers, some by playing, some by chop up,
some by boats sometimes to get to your medical treatment,
which is just unbelievable that we're here and now we're
already less than the other states. You know, I think
we're at thirty one or thirty two percent of the funding.
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All the other than are about forty two. So we're already
get let's to start within the territory and we have
to pay for the age of care because they said
and there's a whole range of issues with the health system,
and I know that the Minister Eduting is working hard
to keep fighting, but it's time for the federal government
to step up here and listen to the concern of
the Northern charritory because we do have a swamp population
of very sick people in middle of nowhere sometimes and
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they need to be able to get to hospital.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
Many years ago, when I was Health Minister, the formula
was for budgeting that there was a ten percent increase
in demand for funding, regardless of whether the service had
remained the same or expanded or shrunk or whatever. So
there's always a ten percent increase due to CPI. So
the offer on the table I think is eight percent
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per year. That doesn't even come close to covering the
natural increase and demand for funding.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Well, and look, I think anybody that's had to go
to Royal Darwin Hospital, the Palmerston Hospital, Alice Springs Hospital,
anywhere any of those hospitals, you know just.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
How how busy they are.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
You know, like our doctors, our nurses, our allied health stuff.
Everybody's doing their best to make sure that they can
see people as quickly as possible. But the fact is,
like even if we had one hundred extra beds, it's
probably not enough.
Speaker 8 (16:13):
We've got the busiest emergency departments in the country.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
In the Northern Territory.
Speaker 8 (16:19):
Higher Springs and Darwin have the busiest DDS, So that's
just something in itself.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
It truly does.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Look it's hard to see where the cuts are going
to come from. You know, we've got remote community centers
that don't have these specialized you know, the specialized support,
and unfortunately we're all getting flown into Darwin and not
crammed in this already overpopulated system. So it just puts
more pressure on everyone. It's like a domino effect across
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the territory. When we got fund in the regional hubs,
it also spreads out in the rum.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Well that's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
You end up with people having to come to town
to have that treatment and sometimes they're stuck here.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
For agents, particularly if.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
They're here for renal dialysis or something that they can
then be here for an awful long time and no
one wants that.
Speaker 9 (17:04):
And we'll if you touched on age care, let's much.
Age care is a federal responsibility, I believe. So there's
at least there's more than forty patients in the hospital
that don't need to be there and need to be
an age care and we still having even got.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
Which a very long time.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
But then meanwhile we're in a situation where we're pushing
for we're trying to get thirty five million dollars for
maternity services at Royal Darwin Hospital. The Health Minister and
also are the CEO saying to us it's looking more
like it's going to be ten million.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
So I just don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I really don't know if we're ever going to get
to the point where where our Northern Territory health system
is funded to the degree that it needs to be.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
And it's a worry for people because what I can.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
See happens is as people age, they then reach a
point where they think, well, can I stay living in
the Northern Territory if I'm not able to access the
aged care bed that I may or may not need,
but also you know, the health support, what services that
I need. And that's the last thing we want is
for people to be moving to another state or territory.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I think a good.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Starting point, Cuddy, we're just to fund the Northern Territory
the same as they fund other states to start with,
we are we are below that funding and that it's
the fact out there. I think it's six percent below
and it equals about two hundred million dollars. So we're
not talking you know, a little you know, money sort
of tends in your pocket.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Money here we're talking over.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Too much amounts which is underfunded, which it doesn't include
the care flight and those things as well. So it's
really time for I think for maybe lit Gozuo needs
to start talking, stop talking about AUDI and start talking
about fund well.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
But can I just say that we also, you know,
we're talking the Prime Minister. Up until a couple of
days ago, we're looking like we're going to have this
climate change conference in Australia that was going to cost
two billion bucks. I'm sorry, but I can think of
much better places to spend two billion dollars. And you know,
I get it that obviously climate change where you know,
they're wanting to make sure that we're front and center
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Australia leading the nation or leading the country, leading the world,
I should say, when it comes to renewables.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
And that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
But we're also like we're you know, we're at a
point where people just want to make sure if they
need to go to the hospital for any kind of issue,
that they're actually able to be seen and you know
I'd said it to John's orbis, I said it to
the Health minister as well. I reckon, we need to
invite Elbow to go and sit in the emergency ward
for twenty four hours and just see how it goes.
Manuel and I had a laugh off air and said,
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maybe don't send him out to maningredor or somewhere because
the health service out there is very good as he's
in the hospital.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
But you know, you want to you want him to
truly understand.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I guess the way in which some of our you know,
some of our territories, whether you're in an urban center
or whether you're in a remote center, the path that
they have to get to to get the health care
that they actually need and deserve.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
We are all, you know, like we're all in this.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Together, Katie.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
It's definitely a territory wide issue, you know, like everyone's
it's everyone's business. So whether you're in either parties or
in the panel, we've.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
All got to come together and lobby the government.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
And you know, if Steve Edge one us to come
up to Canberra with them, we're more than happy to.
Speaker 8 (20:05):
So the territory, yeah, seriously impacts a livability of the
Northern Actually say, if we can't offer good age care
services in the Northern Territory, people are going to pack
up and leave.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
They're not going to retire here.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
No, and that's a real worry. That's the last thing
we want to see.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Let's take a quick break. You are listening to Mix
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Speaker 10 (20:24):
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Speaker 1 (20:33):
Well, if you've just joined us in the studio this morning,
we've got Manuel Brown, Kathleen Gazola, Jared Bailey, and Robert Langley. Now,
all eyes are indeed on this cyclone. Still, Manuel, you've
just had word from a couple of the communities one
at least.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Yeah, Alan Crop Island. It's starting to pick up in
the winds and it's raining heavily.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah right, okay, So starting to see the impacts of
that system.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
We'll keep it very close eye things.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
I hope everybody out there is okay, and I know
they'll be bunkered down and trying their best to stay safe.
Now it's Jared, there's been a couple of other messages
coming through this morning, somebody wondering they'd been told that
the courts etc.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Were being closed.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Well, Okatie, it's really business as usual until we get advice.
Otherwise when the next advice is coming at ten thirty.
So what I say is be prepared, don't panic. We
know the cyclone is on its way, so you need
to have that preparation happening. But at the moment, business
as usual. Listen to NT Secure, Listen to your station
at ten thirty or just after ten thirty, and make
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sure you're aware. Don't hide away and you think it's
not going to have it's definitely coming. We need to
be prepared and go out and actively look for that
advice just after ten thirty.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yeah, absolutely, and we'll keep you up to date with
everything that is going on now. Look, it's been a
massive week when it comes to news, and on Monday,
well over the weekend, in fact, we learned that police
had charged we now know four Darwin residents over an
alleged multimillion dollar defense fraud scheme. Dallas Win, Natalie Win,
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Michael Buckley and his wife Jessica has now been charged
as well. Now the AFP claimed the defense employee, their
spouse and a company director worked together to funnel almost
seventy one million dollars in contracts to a business say
controlled now. During those raids last Friday, officers seize cash, electronics, jewelry, documents,
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a firearm, and a small amount.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Of suspected drugs. As I said, initially, three people.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Charged with dishonesty gaining a benefit from a Commonwealth entity,
while the defense staffer also faces a charge of abusing
public office. The fourth, Jessica, was reportedly charged yesterday morning
and is set to appear in court today.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Now I know that.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
You know this isn't matter that's absolutely before the courts,
so obviously everybody being quite careful what they say. But
the Master Builders were pretty swift to act, as was
the Northern Territory Indigenous Business Network very swift to act
as well, to suspend them, I believe from their membership
within the Northern Territory Indigenous Business Network.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I mean, it's a real worry.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
It's body hard to win a defense contract, so when
something like this happens, and there's a lot of detail
still to flow through, but there's been a real push
for Northern territory businesses to win these defense contracts, and
now with something like this happening, I just worry what
it's going to mean for other businesses trying to win
such contracts through defense.
Speaker 9 (23:30):
And I think that was really important for Master Builders
and those other advocacy groups to act swiftly and make
a statement of some sort. Obviously, as you said, a
lot is still to play out in the court process
to come, and they mentioned that it's not a there's
still allegations at the moment. But I think sallyan in
Us from Master Builders made a really good point as
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to the federal government and the Defense Department as to
how something like this could allegedly happen and that they
really do need to look at their processes because seventy
one million dollars is a lot of taxpayers money.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
It's a heck of a lot of money. It's in
an enormous amount of money. I mean, Jared, earlier in
the week, there'd been some questions about, you know, about
one of the alleged defenders still being I believe or
at that point in time they were, they were on
one of the boards. I can't think what that mt
ICN and I know that that was sort of I believe,
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attached to their membership on Master Builders. So as they've
been been no longer on the Master Builders board, then
they're no longer on that. But questions sort of being
raised this morning as well in the paper about how
they've kind of gone on this delegation just days before
those charges were laid. I assume that literally nobody besides
the afp knew what was going on until it was happening.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Well, look, I understand there reading through the media that
there's been the investigation has been going on for a while,
and then result in these people being charged. So I
don't really know much more than reading what the media
has to say, and I do want to note them
my brother may be acting for one of those thing. Yes,
so clear that conflict, But I certainly didn't read about
this in the media, and I agree. I think it's
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good that Sally Anne from Master Builders has come out
and very strongly told what their point of view is,
and I think we need to monitor it. We need
to see what's going on, find out what the facts are,
and then we can work out how we can deal
with it.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
Isn't it great though, that the federal police have been
onto this. It gives people faith.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
You know, no one's above the law.
Speaker 8 (25:27):
This sounds like an organized crime ring that we're riding
the wave of success from all outside appearances and they've
been brought to account. I just feel a great sense
of optimism around what we've seen happen in this space
because we all know that we have a problem with
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corruption in the Northern Territory. It's far reaching into a
lot of our organizations, or has been historically, and that's
on the public record. So to think that there are
police services federally Northern Territory that are looking into these
people that don't stack up, that are potentially or allegedly
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stealing this public money, this is a really good thing
and I think it's great.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
Yeah, they've done good on them.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I agree when there is.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Real corruption, when there is an alleged real corruption, the
police are absolutely onto it. The Australian Federal.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
Jail and let them suffer because that's money that should
be spent on our health services.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Well that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
It is money that is taxpayers dollars. I mean, and
we're talking here like they've been investigating this for eight months.
Is my understanding behind the scenes, you know, and and
eight months of that investigation going on, and now they've
reached that conclusion. I wonder how much more we're sort
of going to see come out, because earlier in the
week the federal police really keeping their cards very close
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to their chest, it seemed in that initial court appearance,
and not a huge amount of deets sort of flowing through.
So interesting to see. I guess as as the days progress,
what more we find out?
Speaker 5 (27:08):
Yeah, so just going forward, you know, our procurement pozies
need to be tight and and you know, definitely a
kick in the guts to the better taxpayers and our contractors,
the ones that are trying to actually do the right thing.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yeah, yeah, spot on. Now, Look, there's quite a bit
going on around the place. And Rob and I noted on.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
The ABC News last night that there was a story
where there was safety concerns or there's certainly safety concerns
when it comes to senior Alice Springs residents living in
one particular public housing unit complex where they've been targeted
a number of times over the last couple of weeks,
like it's woe full stuff. One of those stories we
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did report on throughout the week where an elderly gentleman
had been knocked to the ground. As I understand it,
he'd been laying on the ground there for you know,
I reckon it was for twelve hours or something before
the neighbors.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
He was in his nineties, incredible.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
And he was on TV yesterday The Yeares last night
and he was saying his peace and good on him.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I agree with you, and had his daughter alongside, you know,
saying that she really feels that there needs to be
some safety upgrades to that public housing complex.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
I'm absolutely right. That complex isn't in my electorate in
Alice Springs, but I have a similar scene as complex
that I have been asking for a gate to be
put on for years. They put they put a fence
around it, a six foot high fence, but didn't put
a gate on it. So why they even bothered is
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beyond me. But yes, this is a problem in Alice
Springs and probably beyond the safety of our old people
living in public housing accommodation.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
So Robin, his.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Name is Ray Wilson, So he was assaulted on will In.
He's in front of his Saturday in home. I got
to tell you, it makes my blood boil to think
about an elderly person being targeted and assaulted in this
way a moment, Yeah, Like I I just think to myself,
you wouldn't do it to him if he was a young,
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fit and healthy man. Who could you know, who was
in a situation where it is it's pathetic.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
That's actually a really good description.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
And good on Ray.
Speaker 8 (29:19):
He still has his strength and the clarity of mind
to come out finding and say this isn't good enough.
We need more protection as old people living in these complexes, Jared,
is it something.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
That the government's going to look into here making sure
that you know that's I mean that particular housing block
in Alice Springs to me, it looks like it does
need some security or at least some patrols or something.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Katie, the charity government takes personal safety and community safety
is number one prior. In fact, that's what we went
to the election on and it's one of our key pillars,
which is keeping the community safe. And there's a lot
of work done already in the last twelve months about
keeping the community safe. And I think the crime stats
are starting to trend down. People are starting to feel safer.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
But Katie, let me, maybe not Alice Springs, though maybe
not in ours.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
They've got people with machetes, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Like, honestly, over the last week, there's been I think
three incidents about a week and a half, I should say,
there's been three incidents that I can remember off the
top of my head where there's been machete wielding people
in Alice Springs. So, like, I get it that the
crime stats are going down in some places, but then
you go in others.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Goodness, gracious me.
Speaker 9 (30:23):
It's also like peace of mind for those residents too.
I mean, like you said, Robin, they put up a
six foot high fence and then no gates.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Like to put a gator.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
It's a simple thing.
Speaker 9 (30:32):
You know, just for people to feel better within their
own residence, which are allowed to do. Like, yeah, that
article says that that one unit complex has been targeted
three times or something in the last yeah, a long.
It's ridiculous. It's a simple thing that the department could
easily do.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 8 (30:50):
It costs money, and that's what it comes down to,
housing through labor and probably the CLP just do not
have the money to secure these properties like they should.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Well yeah, and that's you know, securing the properties and
then if you're not able to secure the property. So
I know that the Northern Territory government's been hesitant to
sort of have security patrols. But when you're talking about
the safety of elderly people, I just wonder whether it
is something that needs to be looked into. Like to me,
it's just not good enough that a ninety two year
old man's on the ground in his unit not able
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to be help for a long extended period of time
after something like that happens. These paid his taxes, his
whole life surely deserves a bit better.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
We're trying to get people, you know, that police on
the street and for example, an active step we are
taking in the first week in December, which is coming
up very soon, the police are coming out of the
police cells where to look after the criminals and they're
going to go back on the street and the correction
officers are going to go into that.
Speaker 10 (31:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Right, So it is about putting more police out there
to be able to if you call triple zero, there's
going to be more pleased to be able to come
and respond, and more police.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
On the beat.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Wall when start happening, Jered the first week.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
In December is when they're going to transition out, and
it's going to be I think about five days off
of a handover process. So let's say by the second
week of December, there'll be more police on the beat
in Alice Springs because we're taking active steps to get
these police away out of the cells and get the
G four s and the prison officers to be able
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to do that job. But the focus is about getting
the police away from sitting in there doing an important job.
But they've also got a roll to be out on
the street, walking up and down, being able to respond
and be proactive as well.
Speaker 8 (32:27):
I think doing new investigation, doing things differently, Jared, is
what I have applauded about your government. We had years
of labor doing the same thing and getting the same result,
escalating crime. So there has been a slight decrease in
crime in Alice and I will acknowledge that, but it's
still a very very serious problem. So yeah, get out
and do something different.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Only there's a long way to go, but we are
trying our best and we are. Money is a big
issue times and issue, but I always say, you know,
we're upgrading the prison industry and making sure if you
do a crime in the charity, it's time for people
to take personal responsibility, which is fair enough.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
You do need to take responsibility for your actions.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
We are going to actually before we go to a break, Jared,
I just got a message from somebody who said that
they their child had been an appointment and was due
to go back to school at ten thirty or after
ten o'clock this morning, the school is seen. Don't bring
that child in because they're being told that the schools
are going to close or that's going to be announced
at ten thirty. I know you don't want to preempt
the territory controller, but is that that's what people are
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asking this morning.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
I'm saying, be prepared, be ready, because more than like
there's going to happen by you know, the cyclone is
definitely coming. Just be prepared, make plans now so when
that when you do get that call or the advice
does come out, you've got a plan to act.
Speaker 9 (33:39):
I think it's just people also having been at work
and wanting to prepare their homes so then they don't
have to go out and run another errand it's king stuff.
Speaker 7 (33:49):
I feel anxious.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah, it's a cloud metaphorically and actually as well over
our heats at the moment. You know where you're going,
all right, Well, what's going to happen next? And people
just want to know and they want to make sure
that they can plan for the day. Particularly you know,
if you're a parent that's wondering if you've got to
go and collect the kids from school.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
Well fuel to three servos to actually access.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Right, That's what I say is no need to panic,
to be prepared and buy what you need. You know
there's panic buying. We're hearing about, no need to go
and buy twenty rolls oft do all it, par can I.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Just ask why do people think they're going to have
stomach issues because there's a cyclone?
Speaker 9 (34:26):
WI daycare germs.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
You might get the bad timing, but.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
You don't need twenty rolls. There'll be more over next week,
That's right exactly.
Speaker 9 (34:38):
Supermarkets have already had the chance to rest.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
So yeah, I reckon, So don't panic, be prepared, you
know it's coming, have a plan.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
And be ready to We're going to take a really
quick break.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
You are listening to mix Fallow four nines three sixty.
Speaker 10 (34:51):
It is the week that was mixed one or four
point nine three sixty, the week that was the most
listened to our in Territory radio.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Well, if you've just joined us in this studio this morning,
we've got Robin Lamley, We've got Jered Mayley, we've got
Kathleen Gazola and Manuel Brown. Now a few messages coming
through this morning about the cyclone. Just to let our
listeners know, we're actually going to have the regional controller,
James O'Brien on the show this morning. He'll be joining us,
I believe at about ten thirty, so we will be
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able to keep you up to date.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
With everything that is going on.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I know that there are a lot of you wondering
whether the schools are going to be closed, what exactly
is going to be announced at ten thirty, So we
will have it all covered for you this morning at
ten thirty with James O'Brien, he'll be able to keep
you up to date with everything that's going on.
Speaker 8 (35:40):
Now.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
In the meantime, couple of messages. One here somebody had
actually called through to say that she was inquiring as
to why the fuel prices across Star will have increased
due to the cyclone.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
I bloody hope that's not the case.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Well, I hope hope that's not the case. That's certainly
not how it should be. That's not in the community spirit.
We're about trying to make the chartory prepared, you know,
we don't feel to panic and doing those sorts of
things would have to go against community expectations in my pin.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Well, and Manuel, you were saying before you had to
go around to what three different places to be able
to get petrol. Yeah, so that was yesterday, was it yesterday?
Speaker 6 (36:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Well, to god, yeah, just purely to is me is
not within the community.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
I really hope that's not happening. But yeah, I know
it's going to be busy. It's probably going to be
busy today, particularly depending on what gets announced at ten thirty,
there'll be people that start to kind of you know,
it's an anxious time.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I get that, but everybody just try your.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Best to stay calm, keep an eye out for each other,
look after each other, particularly this weekend, because I know
that all of us, you know, we're all part of
the community. You want to make sure that if you
live next door to somebody who's maybe senior, who needs
a bit of a hand or whatever, that you're checking
on them because it's a you know, it can be
a difficult time for some, can't it.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Newly people that just moved up and down south that
has experienced cyclones. So all your territorius has been through cyclones. Yelp,
so go and yeah, yeah, calm the neighbors.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah absolutely, before I let you all go, Jared, any
update when it comes to the gil neet ban, because
there's been a discussion that rock Hampton might be emerging
as the barrow Monday capital of Australia thanks to success
of its net free zone in the Fitzroy River. I
know that they had a competition recently the Barrow the
Fitzroy River Barrow Bash and two hundred and seventy three
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fish over one meter were landed.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
What's going on here?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Okay, they can call themselves wherever they like about that.
I can say I'm the best baron money fisherman in
the world.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
But that's not true. That is not true. But look,
the territory is completely different.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
That's one river system and I think from my understanding,
a territory went over there won in any ways, think
Shane from the same territory had to go and show
them how it's done, but more in a serious note. Look,
we are committed before the election to facing a gilnet
in this term of government, and we're on track.
Speaker 6 (37:59):
You do that.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
I was at the AGM for fan this week and
I confirm that that's our goal and we're working towards that.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
So should we be doing it earlier?
Speaker 1 (38:07):
I mean I caught up with a couple of gentlemen
earlier in the week from Carefish and they were saying, Katie,
you know, like this is costing us a heck of
a lot of money in tourism and revenue if we
don't phase it out as quickly as possible.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
The effort for those guill needs has already gone down.
Some of those. They think there's only fourteen or so
gill net licenses in the northern churchy and I think
the major player has not operated in northern Jurgy, so
the pressure is off in relation to gil netting. If
you're talking about guilding in front of the daily river,
does that going to affect a fish flow?
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Well, you know, I'm not a sign to sign an't no,
but those people.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Aren't out there gill needing at the moment, so the
fish are out there swimming around and the opportunities to
catch them and go your hardest.
Speaker 9 (38:43):
I mean, the thing is for I suppose Chris and
Peter that we're here. You know, the Rockhampton banned those
gill nets ten years ago and so now they're seeing
the outcome of it now. So if we have to
wait four more years, then the flow on effect to that.
But then on the other side of the I mean
talking to my husband who's a keen fish show, you know,
as Jared said, it's one river system that they also
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release like ten thousand finglings a year in there, and
then I think one of the schools is also releasing
juvenile barramundy in there too, so it's plenty stocked up.
And so our rivers kind of get impacted a lot
by the weather too.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Yeah, and we've got much more offer.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
We've got, you know, free throwing rivers, We've got shady camp,
you've got the rope bar you got up on the
Kiwi Island. We've got a lot to offer when it
comes to Barrow Moundey fishing. And in my view, it's
not only about catching a fish, which is a good thing.
It's about the whole experience of going fishing to be
able to go out on Duh Road with your boat
and go up a river and.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Face maybe a storm. Look, I've got it sort of stuff.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
I grew up in Queensland as most people know, and
Rocky has got nothing on us.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
They got nothing on us. So God love Rockhampton. But
you know it's cattle country really.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, we were where the place you want to go
for a visit.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
We've got so much more than just our barrow Monday.
We've got all We've got cyclones as well.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
We got you Katie.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Well look that is all we got time for this morning.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
It's wonderful to have you all in the studio and
I know that we'll all be making sure that we
stay safe over the course of the weekend. Manuel Brown,
thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
Thanks Katie.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
Everyone stay safe over the weekend. And we're in cyclone
country so you know, stay safe.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, absolutely, and big shout out to you know, all
of your communities as well that I know that they'll
be doing it tough right now as that where the
system hits, so hopefully everybody's safe. Jared Maylee, Deputy Chief Minister,
thank you so much for your time this morning.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Will you Barre champion, just go back to a seriously,
just be prepared for the cyclone.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
We know it's coming.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
Don't panic. Listen to the broadcasters, listen to the information.
NT secure is the official information. Go online, get that
and look after your friends.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Yeah, absolutely, thank you.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Jared Robin Lamley the only politician or will you and
Manuel both flying in to where the weather sidelongs potentially
going to him?
Speaker 10 (41:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Were you twol ready for parliament next week?
Speaker 7 (41:03):
I guess your parliament next week all going well?
Speaker 6 (41:06):
Yes, it's just like long cold on the Parliament house.
Speaker 7 (41:11):
I'll take that unnoticed man
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Hopefully nice and nice and I like, thank you, thanks
so much
Tell you what a busy, busy hour lined up for
you in the studio with us this morning. We have
got the independent Member for Aarra lun she's also the
Speaker of the Northern Territories Legislative Assembly, Robin Lamley. Good
morning to you, lovely to have you in the studio
and well for the COLP. We have got the Deputy
Chief Minister Jared Maylee.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Good morning Jared, Good morning Katie, and good morning to.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Your listeners and well our journalistic representative this morning, our
very own Kathleen Gazola, Good morning to you. And Manuel Brown,
the member for our Fura and representing well us for
the Labour Party this morning, and a number of those
communities that are indeed going to be impacted today potentially
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by the cyclone. Good morning to you, Manuel, morning everyone,
lovely to have you on the show. Now I might
go to that cyclone update first, and we know that
tropical cyclone Fiena, currently a category one cyclone, is moving
slowly southwest and is expected to strengthen to a category
two system whilst tracking southwest during today. Now it has
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been reanalyzed to be further northwest than before. Fena is
forecast to approach the Coburg Peninsula and Tewee Islands tonight
before continuing southwest through the Van Demon Golf on Saturday.
There continues to be a chance that it could reach
category three intensity during late Friday or early Saturday as
it moves into the Van Demon Golf. Now Fena is
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forecast a further intensify to a severe tropical cyclone during
Sunday afternoon into the Southern Team or c so that
is once it passes Darwin. But we are expecting a
further update at about ten thirty this morning. Now this morning,
we also know that Darwin is now part of the
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warning area. Deputy Chief Minister, we might go to you
first in terms of you know this point and that
warning being issued.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Schools.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Everybody is still going to work at this point in time.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
What's the life late, yes, o Katie, everyone is still
going to school. And what the government message is just
to be prepared. Make sure that you've got yourself and
your family enough. Prepare for seventy two hours by yourself.
So we're talking about food, batteries, water, because that will
give you a window there to make sure that you
can look after yourself and your families and don't forget
your loved ones either.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
You know, the older people, the people who you might.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Know or who they're go and make a plan, talk
to them, make sure they're ready to go.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
But it's about being prepared. Don't need to panic.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Things are under control with you know, the Darwin's had
a few cyclones before. As long as you've got that
work and you've got seventy two hours worth of food
and water, things be right. And the schools are open.
But there are announcements at ten thirty today which is
which will give us a further update.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
So at this point in time, are we're expecting at
ten thirty this morning that those that any of our
Darwin schools or the Greater Darwin Region schools or non
essential workers are going to be told to head home.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
I don't want to prehenp what the church you control
is going to do, Katie, but I would say make
sure you listen at ten thirty, go on to the radio,
go on to Facebook, and be prepared and be active
to know what's going to happen at ten treo or
just after ten thirty, because if that is the situation,
there will be steps of people to take go and
pick up to them from school.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, I mean if like, if that winds up being
the situation, could it have been coordinated a little bit better.
I mean, I know it's early days, we don't actually
know what the territory coordinator is going to decide to do.
But then if parents are in a situation where they're
having to leave work to go and collect the kids,
could that have been called a couple hours earlier.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Problem is, Kadie, the cyclone is a forecast map and
you can see it's changing regularly, and what we don't
want to do is put people into a panic. And
at the moment we're at that warning zone, right on
the edge of it. The cyclone just recently has just
changed a little bit in as ways moving. So we
just need to follow the territory coordinator. They've got all
the information. They're the experts, and like I say, be prepared.
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At just after ten thirty, go on to Facebook, go
on the radio, listen to the ABC.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Go well, don't listen to the ABC, because you can
stay here. We've actually got all covered. I mean, if
you want to listen to them later, that's fine. And look,
I do want to point out on that because some
of that communication has been going through them, and I
actually don't think that's right. I actually think it needs
to go through everybody because not everyone's listening to that.
People are listening to a lot of other different media outlets.
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So I actually think it's a government's job, and certainly
the territory coordinator or whoever it may be's job controller
to make sure that everybody's notified of what's going on,
because they don't have many listeners to be really blunked about.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Our secure is the page which is official government page.
So what I do say to people and I'll take
that on board, KD and people are listening about that.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
But nt secure is the official page.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
If you really want the really up to date actor information,
go on to nt secure, go on to their Facebook page.
They will be able to give you the relevant and
most up to date information.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Now manual some of those communities that we are going
to see impacted really first off, for one set full
in your electra, what are you hearing at the moment?
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Yeah, in regular contact with some of the community members
out there at the moment, you know, there's not much
wind and not much rain. It's the calm before the storm.
As we'd like to say, but I'm very impressed with
their proactive approach with the police. They've sent a couple
of members into those communities that do not have police representation,
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and they've coordinated, you know, and had meetings with the
community about which buildings are cyclone encoded and what to do.
So really impressed with how they've worked things.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, that is good and really good to hear that
they're out there in the community, and I know that
that is when we do see, you know, a lot
of those frontline workers, particularly our police, get out there.
They are you know, they're making sure that, you know,
that people are informed of what's going on. Because while
I'm having a crack at the Deputy Chief Minister there
about going to another radio station, what I will say
is that in some of those communities, you know, they're
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literally reliant on what the police are telling them and
people going out and actually talking to them. So it
is incredibly important work out there, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Yes, Yeah, you know, Katie, we live in cyclone territory,
you know, living in the Jordan terrory. Most of these
communities are cyclon resilient, you know, with what's and some
of them are normally cut off anyway from the rest
of you know, from from regional hubs. So yeah, places
like Minelan and war are we Yeah, they've got a
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they'll have a lot of stores in their in their
shops and stuff just for this, for the normal season.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
But then a cyclone comes through. They should be.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
We're pretty tough in the territory, aren't we.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yes, we are well well, We're used to all sorts
of things.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
And you know, yesterday I was at Woolworths.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I was leaving and there was a lady who who
was a senior and she had, you know, been grabbing
a few things, and I asked her if she needed
a hand to get stuff in her car. She said no, no,
she was fine. And then she said to me, I've
lived here for fifty years.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
We're gonna be all right, love. And I thought, you
know what, she would know.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
She'd know because I bet you she's seen plenty of
cyclones over the years. But Robin, it's going to be
then interesting next week. Obviously you're in Darwin at the
moment because parliament's.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
To sit next way, you just sit on Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
What will happen?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I mean, if with this side clone are we expecting
Parliament to still go on next week.
Speaker 8 (07:03):
We are as Speaker, my job is to look after
the Parliament precinct, Parliament House precinct, so we're just like
everyone else, on alert to lock down Parliament House as
soon as a warning is in place. And I do
understand a warning has been announced just earlier, so by
the close of business tonight Parliament House will be locked up.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Is there a bit of mixed messaging at the moment,
because you know, like we'd see, we're obviously in that
warning phase. I mean, should that actually mean that we
are in a situation where non essential workers are not
going to work?
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Well?
Speaker 9 (07:39):
I think it's a bit hard at the moment when
there's no rain or real strong winds here. That sort
of makes the situation a bit strange. I suppose people
in that level of limbo. One thing that I've found
a bit confusing this time around is the new warning
system of the Advice, Watch, an Act and Emergency Warning,
which is that new level of categories that they roll
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out natural disasters rather than the usual watch and warning
that we've had in the past. They've obviously put out
an emergency warning for mine lung to that this morning,
which is basically urging those residents to take cover and
that I suppose impact was imminental within the next few
hours or so, and then I think Darwin might be
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under watch and watch rather than watch an act at
the moment, Jared.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I think it's just been dated.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
Yeah, yeah, morning now.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, So just on that, and I think the point
you're making a good one there is that it's like
it is that bit of cross like a bit of confusion.
Speaker 9 (08:39):
With that, Yeah, the watching ass and the advice, that
kind of level of classification we usually see with bush fires. Yeah,
and I'd imagine Robin experiences that down in the Red Center,
whereas usually up here we've had, you know, a cyclone
watch and then we've had a cyclone warning. Yeah. So yeah,
I think that's just a bit of a funny And
just on.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
That we are we have just actually received a media
release from a Josh Peak from the SDA, which is
indeed the union that represents all of the retail workers, etc.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
And has said that the SDA is.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Written to the Northern Territory Government in Territory Controller requesting
a closure order to be issued well before the cyclone
impacts Darwin to ensure that all workers can get home safely,
saying we cannot afford to see a repeat of cyclone markers.
The government's got a responsibility to act and ensure that
all Territorians well all territorians safety and saying no workers
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should be forced to stay at work or attend work
if it is not safe to do so. So I
know it's a bit of a you know, we're in
a bit of a gray area or in a bit
of alala, I suppose at the moment, unless you are
in one of the remote communities. But it's one of
those things where there's a lot of people sort of
questioning what they should be doing right now.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Remember we've got to rely on the church to control, okadie.
That's a group of experts across the Northern Church.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
You've come together.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
They're sitting at Behrmar and they're working with the gun
and they've got the most accurate information on hand.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
So they are doing a great job.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
And I should actually take this moment to thank them
and the emerging people out there who are doing this
stuff staying away from their families. So I'll just cite
it for a second and say thank you for the
work they all do, but the terretary Controller and that
group of people other people need to listen to. They've
got the information, and I understand the union can call
what they want, but the Chatory Controller is doing a
great job. They will certainly keep the territory safe, and
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they'll do make decisions based on relevant information and accurate
information other than just hearsay.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
And what people think.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
It's really important to get a reliable information based on evidence,
and then that's what the Charitory Controller and that organized
that group of people are going to do.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, but making sure that it's getting out there, making
sure that people are actually getting it, because otherwise that's
where that confusion starts. So I know that yesterday afternoon
they had a press conference, as I understand, at about
two o'clock. Now, so you said they'll be out about
ten thirty this morning, is that correct? Well, I look
forward to finding out exactly what the lay this update is.
Speaker 9 (11:01):
There's a presser at there's a presser at two o'clock.
I'm not sure that there's a ten thirty media in generally.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Like not a press up.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Next update, next update is going to be that's ten thirty.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah. Requestion with secure anti Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
And so look, if we are to go by that
next media alert and when the next press conference is happening,
that's at two o'clock this afternoon. So I would imagine
that there's going to be no changes when it comes
to schools or people at work or anything today if
I'm to sort of, you know, to to see that correctly,
because I would think that if they're changing that and
closing schools, et cetera, there'd be a fairly immediate press
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conference in Darwin specifically. Yeah, but obviously we know that
in some of the community schools are already closed, aren't
they manual.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Yeah, definitely closed, Yeah, war are we and minda Langen.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
And the other thing about so secure messaging is they
put out presses in language, which is amazing.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
Yeah, well you know people can listen.
Speaker 10 (11:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I did not know that yesterday, even at the press
I hadn't really seen an interpreter at a press conference before,
but there was the interpreter there making sure that everybody
in those communities was able to get that message as
quickly as as you know, those speaking English as their
first language.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Amazing work from aas yep.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah, well, look, it's going to be an interesting couple
of days when it comes to the cyclone, there is
no doubt about that.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
We'll all be.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Keeping a really close eye on things and we will
certainly keep you up to date with all of those
updates as they come to hand. But we're going to
take a quick break because there's still plenty more on
the agenda throughout this week. In fact, it's been a
pretty busy one, so we'll take a quick break.
Speaker 10 (12:38):
You are listening to Mix Mix one or four point
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listened to our in Territory radio.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
It is just on twenty two minutes after nine o'clock.
If you've just joined us, well, we have got a
star studded lineup this morning. Robin Lamley, Jared Maylee, Kathleen Gozola,
Emanuel Brown all in the studio with us.
Speaker 10 (12:59):
Now.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
There's been a to discuss this week.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Obviously, cycling's top of mind for everybody this morning. However,
the States and territories are on an absolute collision course
with the Commonwealth over public hospital funding, with the health
ministers expressing anger over a letter from the Prime Minister
demanding that they reign in spending if they want a
funding deal on it now. We caught up with doctor
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John Zorbis, the head of the AMA here in the
Northern Territory, earlier in the week and he said, Katie,
there's no fat to trim, you know, like there's really
no areas where we can be reigning in spending when
we've got one of the sickest populations in Australia and
also we've got, you know, patients coming in from different
parts of remote locations around the Northern Territory. But according
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to this report, Anthony Albanezi made the request in September,
writing to state and territory leaders saying that they must
slash growth if they want a public hospital funding commitment implemented.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
How do you slash growth when it comes to people
being sick?
Speaker 9 (14:00):
Literally, this is my third week that I've worked here
at MIX. Some health has been the number one issue
yes about and I couldn't believe it hearing this story
about this letter from the PM to the ministers calling
for this, It's just outrageous. I can't even fathom what
kind of reaction he thought he was going to get,
and as if people were going to capitulate to be like, oh, okay,
we'll rain in spending. So we have that health funding
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that you already had agreed to but not fulfilling.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Now we'll tell these things that.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Need a hospital bid that they're not able to have one,
like it's just wild years ago.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Sorry, I remember the Northern Territory has got a relatively
small population and a.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Very vast area of land to cover. So you know,
it's different.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
If you're in a city in Sydney, Melbourne, we us
go to the hospital in the next suburb around the corner.
But here in the territory, you've got to travel literally
one hundreds ofipometers, some by playing, some by chop up,
some by boats sometimes to get to your medical treatment,
which is just unbelievable that we're here and now we're
already less than the other states. You know, I think
we're at thirty one or thirty two percent of the funding.
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All the other than are about forty two. So we're already
get let's to start within the territory and we have
to pay for the age of care because they said
and there's a whole range of issues with the health system,
and I know that the Minister Eduting is working hard
to keep fighting, but it's time for the federal government
to step up here and listen to the concern of
the Northern charritory because we do have a swamp population
of very sick people in middle of nowhere sometimes and
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they need to be able to get to hospital.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
Many years ago, when I was Health Minister, the formula
was for budgeting that there was a ten percent increase
in demand for funding, regardless of whether the service had
remained the same or expanded or shrunk or whatever. So
there's always a ten percent increase due to CPI. So
the offer on the table I think is eight percent
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per year. That doesn't even come close to covering the
natural increase and demand for funding.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Well, and look, I think anybody that's had to go
to Royal Darwin Hospital, the Palmerston Hospital, Alice Springs Hospital,
anywhere any of those hospitals, you know just.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
How how busy they are.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
You know, like our doctors, our nurses, our allied health stuff.
Everybody's doing their best to make sure that they can
see people as quickly as possible. But the fact is,
like even if we had one hundred extra beds, it's
probably not enough.
Speaker 8 (16:13):
We've got the busiest emergency departments in the country.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
In the Northern Territory.
Speaker 8 (16:19):
Higher Springs and Darwin have the busiest DDS, So that's
just something in itself.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
It truly does.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Look it's hard to see where the cuts are going
to come from. You know, we've got remote community centers
that don't have these specialized you know, the specialized support,
and unfortunately we're all getting flown into Darwin and not
crammed in this already overpopulated system. So it just puts
more pressure on everyone. It's like a domino effect across
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the territory. When we got fund in the regional hubs,
it also spreads out in the rum.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Well that's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
You end up with people having to come to town
to have that treatment and sometimes they're stuck here.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
For agents, particularly if.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
They're here for renal dialysis or something that they can
then be here for an awful long time and no
one wants that.
Speaker 9 (17:04):
And we'll if you touched on age care, let's much.
Age care is a federal responsibility, I believe. So there's
at least there's more than forty patients in the hospital
that don't need to be there and need to be
an age care and we still having even got.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
Which a very long time.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
But then meanwhile we're in a situation where we're pushing
for we're trying to get thirty five million dollars for
maternity services at Royal Darwin Hospital. The Health Minister and
also are the CEO saying to us it's looking more
like it's going to be ten million.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
So I just don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I really don't know if we're ever going to get
to the point where where our Northern Territory health system
is funded to the degree that it needs to be.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
And it's a worry for people because what I can.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
See happens is as people age, they then reach a
point where they think, well, can I stay living in
the Northern Territory if I'm not able to access the
aged care bed that I may or may not need,
but also you know, the health support, what services that
I need. And that's the last thing we want is
for people to be moving to another state or territory.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I think a good.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Starting point, Cuddy, we're just to fund the Northern Territory
the same as they fund other states to start with,
we are we are below that funding and that it's
the fact out there. I think it's six percent below
and it equals about two hundred million dollars. So we're
not talking you know, a little you know, money sort
of tends in your pocket.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Money here we're talking over.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Too much amounts which is underfunded, which it doesn't include
the care flight and those things as well. So it's
really time for I think for maybe lit Gozuo needs
to start talking, stop talking about AUDI and start talking
about fund well.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
But can I just say that we also, you know,
we're talking the Prime Minister. Up until a couple of
days ago, we're looking like we're going to have this
climate change conference in Australia that was going to cost
two billion bucks. I'm sorry, but I can think of
much better places to spend two billion dollars. And you know,
I get it that obviously climate change where you know,
they're wanting to make sure that we're front and center
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Australia leading the nation or leading the country, leading the world,
I should say, when it comes to renewables.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
And that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
But we're also like we're you know, we're at a
point where people just want to make sure if they
need to go to the hospital for any kind of issue,
that they're actually able to be seen and you know
I'd said it to John's orbis, I said it to
the Health minister as well. I reckon, we need to
invite Elbow to go and sit in the emergency ward
for twenty four hours and just see how it goes.
Manuel and I had a laugh off air and said,
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maybe don't send him out to maningredor or somewhere because
the health service out there is very good as he's
in the hospital.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
But you know, you want to you want him to
truly understand.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I guess the way in which some of our you know,
some of our territories, whether you're in an urban center
or whether you're in a remote center, the path that
they have to get to to get the health care
that they actually need and deserve.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
We are all, you know, like we're all in this.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Together, Katie.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
It's definitely a territory wide issue, you know, like everyone's
it's everyone's business. So whether you're in either parties or
in the panel, we've.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
All got to come together and lobby the government.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
And you know, if Steve Edge one us to come
up to Canberra with them, we're more than happy to.
Speaker 8 (20:05):
So the territory, yeah, seriously impacts a livability of the
Northern Actually say, if we can't offer good age care
services in the Northern Territory, people are going to pack
up and leave.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
They're not going to retire here.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
No, and that's a real worry. That's the last thing
we want to see.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Let's take a quick break. You are listening to Mix
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Speaker 10 (20:24):
It is the week that was mixed one four point
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Speaker 1 (20:33):
Well, if you've just joined us in the studio this morning,
we've got Manuel Brown, Kathleen Gazola, Jared Bailey, and Robert Langley. Now,
all eyes are indeed on this cyclone. Still, Manuel, you've
just had word from a couple of the communities one
at least.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Yeah, Alan Crop Island. It's starting to pick up in
the winds and it's raining heavily.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah right, okay, So starting to see the impacts of
that system.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
We'll keep it very close eye things.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
I hope everybody out there is okay, and I know
they'll be bunkered down and trying their best to stay safe.
Now it's Jared, there's been a couple of other messages
coming through this morning, somebody wondering they'd been told that
the courts etc.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Were being closed.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Well, Okatie, it's really business as usual until we get advice.
Otherwise when the next advice is coming at ten thirty.
So what I say is be prepared, don't panic. We
know the cyclone is on its way, so you need
to have that preparation happening. But at the moment, business
as usual. Listen to NT Secure, Listen to your station
at ten thirty or just after ten thirty, and make
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sure you're aware. Don't hide away and you think it's
not going to have it's definitely coming. We need to
be prepared and go out and actively look for that
advice just after ten thirty.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yeah, absolutely, and we'll keep you up to date with
everything that is going on now. Look, it's been a
massive week when it comes to news, and on Monday,
well over the weekend, in fact, we learned that police
had charged we now know four Darwin residents over an
alleged multimillion dollar defense fraud scheme. Dallas Win, Natalie Win,
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Michael Buckley and his wife Jessica has now been charged
as well. Now the AFP claimed the defense employee, their
spouse and a company director worked together to funnel almost
seventy one million dollars in contracts to a business say
controlled now. During those raids last Friday, officers seize cash, electronics, jewelry, documents,
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a firearm, and a small amount.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Of suspected drugs. As I said, initially, three people.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Charged with dishonesty gaining a benefit from a Commonwealth entity,
while the defense staffer also faces a charge of abusing
public office. The fourth, Jessica, was reportedly charged yesterday morning
and is set to appear in court today.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Now I know that.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
You know this isn't matter that's absolutely before the courts,
so obviously everybody being quite careful what they say. But
the Master Builders were pretty swift to act, as was
the Northern Territory Indigenous Business Network very swift to act
as well, to suspend them, I believe from their membership
within the Northern Territory Indigenous Business Network.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I mean, it's a real worry.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
It's body hard to win a defense contract, so when
something like this happens, and there's a lot of detail
still to flow through, but there's been a real push
for Northern territory businesses to win these defense contracts, and
now with something like this happening, I just worry what
it's going to mean for other businesses trying to win
such contracts through defense.
Speaker 9 (23:30):
And I think that was really important for Master Builders
and those other advocacy groups to act swiftly and make
a statement of some sort. Obviously, as you said, a
lot is still to play out in the court process
to come, and they mentioned that it's not a there's
still allegations at the moment. But I think sallyan in
Us from Master Builders made a really good point as
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to the federal government and the Defense Department as to
how something like this could allegedly happen and that they
really do need to look at their processes because seventy
one million dollars is a lot of taxpayers money.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
It's a heck of a lot of money. It's in
an enormous amount of money. I mean, Jared, earlier in
the week, there'd been some questions about, you know, about
one of the alleged defenders still being I believe or
at that point in time they were, they were on
one of the boards. I can't think what that mt
ICN and I know that that was sort of I believe,
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attached to their membership on Master Builders. So as they've
been been no longer on the Master Builders board, then
they're no longer on that. But questions sort of being
raised this morning as well in the paper about how
they've kind of gone on this delegation just days before
those charges were laid. I assume that literally nobody besides
the afp knew what was going on until it was happening.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Well, look, I understand there reading through the media that
there's been the investigation has been going on for a while,
and then result in these people being charged. So I
don't really know much more than reading what the media
has to say, and I do want to note them
my brother may be acting for one of those thing. Yes,
so clear that conflict, But I certainly didn't read about
this in the media, and I agree. I think it's
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good that Sally Anne from Master Builders has come out
and very strongly told what their point of view is,
and I think we need to monitor it. We need
to see what's going on, find out what the facts are,
and then we can work out how we can deal
with it.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
Isn't it great though, that the federal police have been
onto this. It gives people faith.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
You know, no one's above the law.
Speaker 8 (25:27):
This sounds like an organized crime ring that we're riding
the wave of success from all outside appearances and they've
been brought to account. I just feel a great sense
of optimism around what we've seen happen in this space
because we all know that we have a problem with
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corruption in the Northern Territory. It's far reaching into a
lot of our organizations, or has been historically, and that's
on the public record. So to think that there are
police services federally Northern Territory that are looking into these
people that don't stack up, that are potentially or allegedly
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stealing this public money, this is a really good thing
and I think it's great.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
Yeah, they've done good on them.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I agree when there is.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Real corruption, when there is an alleged real corruption, the
police are absolutely onto it. The Australian Federal.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
Jail and let them suffer because that's money that should
be spent on our health services.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Well that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
It is money that is taxpayers dollars. I mean, and
we're talking here like they've been investigating this for eight months.
Is my understanding behind the scenes, you know, and and
eight months of that investigation going on, and now they've
reached that conclusion. I wonder how much more we're sort
of going to see come out, because earlier in the
week the federal police really keeping their cards very close
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to their chest, it seemed in that initial court appearance,
and not a huge amount of deets sort of flowing through.
So interesting to see. I guess as as the days progress,
what more we find out?
Speaker 5 (27:08):
Yeah, so just going forward, you know, our procurement pozies
need to be tight and and you know, definitely a
kick in the guts to the better taxpayers and our contractors,
the ones that are trying to actually do the right thing.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yeah, yeah, spot on. Now, Look, there's quite a bit
going on around the place. And Rob and I noted on.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
The ABC News last night that there was a story
where there was safety concerns or there's certainly safety concerns
when it comes to senior Alice Springs residents living in
one particular public housing unit complex where they've been targeted
a number of times over the last couple of weeks,
like it's woe full stuff. One of those stories we
(27:49):
did report on throughout the week where an elderly gentleman
had been knocked to the ground. As I understand it,
he'd been laying on the ground there for you know,
I reckon it was for twelve hours or something before
the neighbors.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
He was in his nineties, incredible.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
And he was on TV yesterday The Yeares last night
and he was saying his peace and good on him.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I agree with you, and had his daughter alongside, you know,
saying that she really feels that there needs to be
some safety upgrades to that public housing complex.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
I'm absolutely right. That complex isn't in my electorate in
Alice Springs, but I have a similar scene as complex
that I have been asking for a gate to be
put on for years. They put they put a fence
around it, a six foot high fence, but didn't put
a gate on it. So why they even bothered is
(28:41):
beyond me. But yes, this is a problem in Alice
Springs and probably beyond the safety of our old people
living in public housing accommodation.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
So Robin, his.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Name is Ray Wilson, So he was assaulted on will In.
He's in front of his Saturday in home. I got
to tell you, it makes my blood boil to think
about an elderly person being targeted and assaulted in this
way a moment, Yeah, Like I I just think to myself,
you wouldn't do it to him if he was a young,
(29:11):
fit and healthy man. Who could you know, who was
in a situation where it is it's pathetic.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
That's actually a really good description.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
And good on Ray.
Speaker 8 (29:19):
He still has his strength and the clarity of mind
to come out finding and say this isn't good enough.
We need more protection as old people living in these complexes, Jared,
is it something.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
That the government's going to look into here making sure
that you know that's I mean that particular housing block
in Alice Springs to me, it looks like it does
need some security or at least some patrols or something.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Katie, the charity government takes personal safety and community safety
is number one prior. In fact, that's what we went
to the election on and it's one of our key pillars,
which is keeping the community safe. And there's a lot
of work done already in the last twelve months about
keeping the community safe. And I think the crime stats
are starting to trend down. People are starting to feel safer.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
But Katie, let me, maybe not Alice Springs, though maybe
not in ours.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
They've got people with machetes, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Like, honestly, over the last week, there's been I think
three incidents about a week and a half, I should say,
there's been three incidents that I can remember off the
top of my head where there's been machete wielding people
in Alice Springs. So, like, I get it that the
crime stats are going down in some places, but then
you go in others.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Goodness, gracious me.
Speaker 9 (30:23):
It's also like peace of mind for those residents too.
I mean, like you said, Robin, they put up a
six foot high fence and then no gates.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Like to put a gator.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
It's a simple thing.
Speaker 9 (30:32):
You know, just for people to feel better within their
own residence, which are allowed to do. Like, yeah, that
article says that that one unit complex has been targeted
three times or something in the last yeah, a long.
It's ridiculous. It's a simple thing that the department could
easily do.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 8 (30:50):
It costs money, and that's what it comes down to,
housing through labor and probably the CLP just do not
have the money to secure these properties like they should.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Well yeah, and that's you know, securing the properties and
then if you're not able to secure the property. So
I know that the Northern Territory government's been hesitant to
sort of have security patrols. But when you're talking about
the safety of elderly people, I just wonder whether it
is something that needs to be looked into. Like to me,
it's just not good enough that a ninety two year
old man's on the ground in his unit not able
(31:23):
to be help for a long extended period of time
after something like that happens. These paid his taxes, his
whole life surely deserves a bit better.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
We're trying to get people, you know, that police on
the street and for example, an active step we are
taking in the first week in December, which is coming
up very soon, the police are coming out of the
police cells where to look after the criminals and they're
going to go back on the street and the correction
officers are going to go into that.
Speaker 10 (31:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Right, So it is about putting more police out there
to be able to if you call triple zero, there's
going to be more pleased to be able to come
and respond, and more police.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
On the beat.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Wall when start happening, Jered the first week.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
In December is when they're going to transition out, and
it's going to be I think about five days off
of a handover process. So let's say by the second
week of December, there'll be more police on the beat
in Alice Springs because we're taking active steps to get
these police away out of the cells and get the
G four s and the prison officers to be able
(32:16):
to do that job. But the focus is about getting
the police away from sitting in there doing an important job.
But they've also got a roll to be out on
the street, walking up and down, being able to respond
and be proactive as well.
Speaker 8 (32:27):
I think doing new investigation, doing things differently, Jared, is
what I have applauded about your government. We had years
of labor doing the same thing and getting the same result,
escalating crime. So there has been a slight decrease in
crime in Alice and I will acknowledge that, but it's
still a very very serious problem. So yeah, get out
and do something different.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Only there's a long way to go, but we are
trying our best and we are. Money is a big
issue times and issue, but I always say, you know,
we're upgrading the prison industry and making sure if you
do a crime in the charity, it's time for people
to take personal responsibility, which is fair enough.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
You do need to take responsibility for your actions.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
We are going to actually before we go to a break, Jared,
I just got a message from somebody who said that
they their child had been an appointment and was due
to go back to school at ten thirty or after
ten o'clock this morning, the school is seen. Don't bring
that child in because they're being told that the schools
are going to close or that's going to be announced
at ten thirty. I know you don't want to preempt
the territory controller, but is that that's what people are
(33:26):
asking this morning.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
I'm saying, be prepared, be ready, because more than like
there's going to happen by you know, the cyclone is
definitely coming. Just be prepared, make plans now so when
that when you do get that call or the advice
does come out, you've got a plan to act.
Speaker 9 (33:39):
I think it's just people also having been at work
and wanting to prepare their homes so then they don't
have to go out and run another errand it's king stuff.
Speaker 7 (33:49):
I feel anxious.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah, it's a cloud metaphorically and actually as well over
our heats at the moment. You know where you're going,
all right, Well, what's going to happen next? And people
just want to know and they want to make sure
that they can plan for the day. Particularly you know,
if you're a parent that's wondering if you've got to
go and collect the kids from school.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
Well fuel to three servos to actually access.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Right, That's what I say is no need to panic,
to be prepared and buy what you need. You know
there's panic buying. We're hearing about, no need to go
and buy twenty rolls oft do all it, par can I.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Just ask why do people think they're going to have
stomach issues because there's a cyclone?
Speaker 9 (34:26):
WI daycare germs.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
You might get the bad timing, but.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
You don't need twenty rolls. There'll be more over next week,
That's right exactly.
Speaker 9 (34:38):
Supermarkets have already had the chance to rest.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
So yeah, I reckon, So don't panic, be prepared, you
know it's coming, have a plan.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
And be ready to We're going to take a really
quick break.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
You are listening to mix Fallow four nines three sixty.
Speaker 10 (34:51):
It is the week that was mixed one or four
point nine three sixty, the week that was the most
listened to our in Territory radio.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Well, if you've just joined us in this studio this morning,
we've got Robin Lamley, We've got Jered Mayley, we've got
Kathleen Gazola and Manuel Brown. Now a few messages coming
through this morning about the cyclone. Just to let our
listeners know, we're actually going to have the regional controller,
James O'Brien on the show this morning. He'll be joining us,
I believe at about ten thirty, so we will be
(35:21):
able to keep you up to date.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
With everything that is going on.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I know that there are a lot of you wondering
whether the schools are going to be closed, what exactly
is going to be announced at ten thirty, So we
will have it all covered for you this morning at
ten thirty with James O'Brien, he'll be able to keep
you up to date with everything that's going on.
Speaker 8 (35:40):
Now.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
In the meantime, couple of messages. One here somebody had
actually called through to say that she was inquiring as
to why the fuel prices across Star will have increased
due to the cyclone.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
I bloody hope that's not the case.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Well, I hope hope that's not the case. That's certainly
not how it should be. That's not in the community spirit.
We're about trying to make the chartory prepared, you know,
we don't feel to panic and doing those sorts of
things would have to go against community expectations in my pin.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Well, and Manuel, you were saying before you had to
go around to what three different places to be able
to get petrol. Yeah, so that was yesterday, was it yesterday?
Speaker 6 (36:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Well, to god, yeah, just purely to is me is
not within the community.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
I really hope that's not happening. But yeah, I know
it's going to be busy. It's probably going to be
busy today, particularly depending on what gets announced at ten thirty,
there'll be people that start to kind of you know,
it's an anxious time.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I get that, but everybody just try your.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Best to stay calm, keep an eye out for each other,
look after each other, particularly this weekend, because I know
that all of us, you know, we're all part of
the community. You want to make sure that if you
live next door to somebody who's maybe senior, who needs
a bit of a hand or whatever, that you're checking
on them because it's a you know, it can be
a difficult time for some, can't it.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Newly people that just moved up and down south that
has experienced cyclones. So all your territorius has been through cyclones. Yelp,
so go and yeah, yeah, calm the neighbors.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah absolutely, before I let you all go, Jared, any
update when it comes to the gil neet ban, because
there's been a discussion that rock Hampton might be emerging
as the barrow Monday capital of Australia thanks to success
of its net free zone in the Fitzroy River. I
know that they had a competition recently the Barrow the
Fitzroy River Barrow Bash and two hundred and seventy three
(37:30):
fish over one meter were landed.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
What's going on here?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Okay, they can call themselves wherever they like about that.
I can say I'm the best baron money fisherman in
the world.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
But that's not true. That is not true. But look,
the territory is completely different.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
That's one river system and I think from my understanding,
a territory went over there won in any ways, think
Shane from the same territory had to go and show
them how it's done, but more in a serious note. Look,
we are committed before the election to facing a gilnet
in this term of government, and we're on track.
Speaker 6 (37:59):
You do that.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
I was at the AGM for fan this week and
I confirm that that's our goal and we're working towards that.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
So should we be doing it earlier?
Speaker 1 (38:07):
I mean I caught up with a couple of gentlemen
earlier in the week from Carefish and they were saying, Katie,
you know, like this is costing us a heck of
a lot of money in tourism and revenue if we
don't phase it out as quickly as possible.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
The effort for those guill needs has already gone down.
Some of those. They think there's only fourteen or so
gill net licenses in the northern churchy and I think
the major player has not operated in northern Jurgy, so
the pressure is off in relation to gil netting. If
you're talking about guilding in front of the daily river,
does that going to affect a fish flow?
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Well, you know, I'm not a sign to sign an't no,
but those people.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Aren't out there gill needing at the moment, so the
fish are out there swimming around and the opportunities to
catch them and go your hardest.
Speaker 9 (38:43):
I mean, the thing is for I suppose Chris and
Peter that we're here. You know, the Rockhampton banned those
gill nets ten years ago and so now they're seeing
the outcome of it now. So if we have to
wait four more years, then the flow on effect to that.
But then on the other side of the I mean
talking to my husband who's a keen fish show, you know,
as Jared said, it's one river system that they also
(39:05):
release like ten thousand finglings a year in there, and
then I think one of the schools is also releasing
juvenile barramundy in there too, so it's plenty stocked up.
And so our rivers kind of get impacted a lot
by the weather too.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Yeah, and we've got much more offer.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
We've got, you know, free throwing rivers, We've got shady camp,
you've got the rope bar you got up on the
Kiwi Island. We've got a lot to offer when it
comes to Barrow Moundey fishing. And in my view, it's
not only about catching a fish, which is a good thing.
It's about the whole experience of going fishing to be
able to go out on Duh Road with your boat
and go up a river and.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Face maybe a storm. Look, I've got it sort of stuff.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
I grew up in Queensland as most people know, and
Rocky has got nothing on us.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
They got nothing on us. So God love Rockhampton. But
you know it's cattle country really.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, we were where the place you want to go
for a visit.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
We've got so much more than just our barrow Monday.
We've got all We've got cyclones as well.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
We got you Katie.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Well look that is all we got time for this morning.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
It's wonderful to have you all in the studio and
I know that we'll all be making sure that we
stay safe over the course of the weekend. Manuel Brown,
thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
Thanks Katie.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
Everyone stay safe over the weekend. And we're in cyclone
country so you know, stay safe.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, absolutely, and big shout out to you know, all
of your communities as well that I know that they'll
be doing it tough right now as that where the
system hits, so hopefully everybody's safe. Jared Maylee, Deputy Chief Minister,
thank you so much for your time this morning.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Will you Barre champion, just go back to a seriously,
just be prepared for the cyclone.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
We know it's coming.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
Don't panic. Listen to the broadcasters, listen to the information.
NT secure is the official information. Go online, get that
and look after your friends.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Yeah, absolutely, thank you.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Jared Robin Lamley the only politician or will you and
Manuel both flying in to where the weather sidelongs potentially
going to him?
Speaker 10 (41:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Were you twol ready for parliament next week?
Speaker 7 (41:03):
I guess your parliament next week all going well?
Speaker 6 (41:06):
Yes, it's just like long cold on the Parliament house.
Speaker 7 (41:11):
I'll take that unnoticed man
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Hopefully nice and nice and I like, thank you, thanks
so much
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