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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Well, the News Out opposition wants to force groups of
protesters to pay for their demonstrations. Up to more than
ninety thousand people gathered on the Sydney Harbor Bridge in
support of Palestine on the weekend and the starving children there.
The state's Shadow Attorney General will soon introduce a bill
that would allow groups to have three free demos per

(00:21):
year before being required to pay.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
For the use of public resources.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
They say it's not about silencing any causes, it's about
protecting the rights of everyday people using our roads for
their tach Let's bring in Dally Telegraph journalist James Willis
and the founding director of Western Sydney Women Amanda Rose
Good moarning to you, James, should protesters get three for
free and then have to pay, well.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
I think it's pretty reasonable and in this case, firstly,
the movement on the weekend was extremely powerful that it
takes a lot for that many people to turn up
on a wet Sunday into Sydney, and obviously what is
going on in the Middle East right now is just
tragic and we should all care about it. I think though, however,
these with the laws at the moment is they don't
take into account economic damage, and they don't take into

(01:04):
account enough the impact on people's lives. So if you
wanted to go into the city on the weekend, if
you wanted to use the Harbor Bridge, you couldn't do
that for more than five hours. There were more than
one thousand police involved in this. The cost was two
million dollars to the taxpayer. And so if a movement
of something, an issue that is this significant, is going
to continue, well, then there has to be a limit

(01:25):
before the user pays. In the same way that when
you have a sporting event or a concert, the organizers
are paying the bill or some of the bill to
have police there. So we can't just allow this to
go on without a payment. And I think it's a
pretty reasonable proposal.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Okay, well the disruption. I went into the city when
the bridge was closed. It probably took me twenty extra minutes,
so it probably wasn't as much of an impost as
some people thought. If you're watching from around Australia, that
literally took that route at about midday. But the cost
to taxpayers is that a really good case for limiting protests.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Well, my concern here is they're saying that you can
have it for free for three of them, but after
that you need to pay, so instantly, those who have
deep pockets have the ability to pay for protesting. So
we might then see those who are paying for politicians
to be re elected. So certain lobby groups and actually

(02:18):
got deep pockets are paying for them to be re elected.
They can dictate what legislation is or what the issues
are because they can then pay for the protesting moving
forward after the three. So we're, you know, really harming
those who need a voice for protesting. So I believe, yes,
you can't be out of control and do it every

(02:38):
weekend on the Harbor Bridge. I totally respect that, but
we need to make sure we don't become an eliti's
society where we say those who desperately are trying to
get their voice heard but don't have the funds, which
is usually the case, still have the ability to protest
and have a right to protest.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Is that a decent point.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Jame Oh, I think on that. I mean, firstly, i'd
love a man of for you to give us an
example of a rich person that can organize a protest
and that size or even half that size or a
quarter of that size. I don't really see how that
happens every weekend. The point here is this has been
going on on and off probably every week for the
last two years and has grown in size. Now there

(03:16):
is a precedent now where they've allowed a protest group
to use the Harbor Bridge, and that is what the
concern is moving forward that another group could come forward
and say that. But in terms of the money, I mean,
who's going to be paying to organize a protest of
that size to get someone elected?

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Em Well, that's right.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
So when the legislation kicks in and then they're saying, oh,
we can't have any more protests, but then they're going
to say, well, how can those guys get a protest?
But don't forget the government has also paid for people
to be able to use the harbor Bridge like with
World Pride, or actually pay for people to use the
Harbor Bridge like with the filming and things like that,
so they have no problems in that capacity. My concern

(03:52):
is that if you're going to limit someone's ability to
have more than three protests, and we've got people that
need to have their voices heard, sorry, you need to
pay and it's going to cost say two million dollars,
who's got two million dollars. Those with deep pockets, and
those are deep pockets are the ones that pay for
politicians that have their fundraising events. Whether it's labor or
liberals irrelevant. The point is people with money the only

(04:13):
ones that will be able to protest moving forward if
that happen.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
I think the bigger issue here in that is that
there are a lot of issues in the world that
are worthy of protests.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
And this is one of them.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
But however, there are other countries and other parts of
the world that are going through hunger and you have
terrible leaders, or there's genocides going on, and so by
allowing the Middle East to have a protest there in
favor of Palestine, where do you draw the line, where
do you have the next protest group to say no, no, sorry,
your cause is not as important as out. So it's

(04:45):
just creating that sort of precedent for the next time
that this comes up to be able to say, well, now,
I guess we've got to consider using the Harbor bridge
because that many people walked over it over the week.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Okay, look, the premiere of New South Wales is looking
at it to see whether this has a legal process
that this is the Coalition of New South Wales is
now going to look at whether there should be some
sort of payment plan. Tell us what you think. It
was huge on the weekend. The protesters say there were
up to three hundred thousand people there. The police say
around ninety to one hundred. Moving on to in five,
parents say their kids are making friends with AI, turning

(05:18):
to the technology for companionship and emotional support. It's because
many chatbots are designed to simulate personal relationships with human
like conversation.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Is this a concern or as this okay, Jane, Well, I.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Have to decline out. I've given this a go. I've
had a chat to chat GPT. Yeah, because you know,
you get a fair trial. They never say anything harsh back,
and I think recommand. I agree with everything you say,
and yeah, it's my safe space on chat GP today.
I'll be going on it straight up to this just
to say Hi, how did I do?

Speaker 2 (05:51):
YadA YadA YDA.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
My issue, on a serious note is I think these
programs are stopping people using their brains. And the more
that we use them, and the more that we feed
them or ask them to send emails or write drafts
for us, the less we're actually using our brains. And
it's clearly an issue with kids. Mind you, most kids
had an imaginary friend at some stage of life, and
this is obviously the new age version of that.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
So I'm kind of talking to a teddy bear though,
like it was a bit different to this. So they're
worried about misinformation, manipulation, deep fakes, what the what you know, Chat,
GPT or one of the others is going to know
about you and then advise you of that's right. And
there's been stories and incidents where you know, people have

(06:32):
said to their AI tool, you know, I want to
kill myself, and they've gone, okay, go do it. Right,
So I think this is we need to look go
a step back here and go children a missing human connection.
So as a parent, I would suggest, you know, on
the weekends, no technology, invite your friends over play some sport,

(06:53):
have some human engagement and connection because they're going to chat, GPT,
another AI tool for friendship and connections.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
So they're missing that.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
So we need to say, how can we fill that
gap so they're not going to technology factus it is
a dangerous, dangerous hole to go down.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, it is, and look, it's great for certain things
we all know that everyone's using.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
As a tool, as a tool, not for counseling.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, but these are the things we're going to be
looking out for. As you know, everyone starts using it
and not.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
In favor of your imaginary teddy bear friend.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yes, okay, we'll buy you a teddy bear