January 19, 2020 • 9 mins
Seven's Howard Gipps interview with Chamberlains Sept 1980
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I think Azariah would have lasted a matter of minutes.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
There were certain people within the Northern Territory Police who
were determined to get her.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
A perfect Storm, the true story of the Chamberlain's. People
were saying to me, Oh, you're going there to see
that woman who killed a child.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Bad things happened to good people.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
He asked the foreman, have you reached a verdict?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
He said, yes, you're on a guilty Welcome to the
extra archive material from a perfect Storm.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
I yelled at the dog to scare it off, and
then it sort of registered on my mind as I
was running to the tent because I thought the kidds
are in there. She has cried, it has disturbed her,
and I immediately the only thing I could think of
was first aid. And when I got in the tent
was just nothing, and I called for my husband. I
(00:55):
didn't really couldn't believe the evidence of my own eyes,
and I called her. My call it that Dingo's got
the baby. And I flew out of the tent as
quick as I called, and he said, what Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
It was like col had confronted me as a cold
shiveling up my spy. I thought, this is absolutely ridiculous,
and I rushed into the tent and we looked around
quickly and couldn't see anything.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I thought, my hat, what else could have had it?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
And I rushed out into the blackness, and I felt
as hopeless as I ever felt in my life.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
And I heard some Christian music.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I knew I couldn't see anything around, and I just
ran towards the Christian music and I called out to
the people in the tent there. I said, look, I said,
if you've got a light, come out and search and
help us. If you haven't, please pray, because a dog
or a dingo, wild dog, a dingo has got our baby.
And within minutes, I must credit the police said out
of springs there was. He was there, and we called
(01:56):
for the ranger, and within three quarters of an hour
there were nearly two hundred searches out the.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Look for her.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
And before Michael had even got back to ask people
for tortures, I chased the dog. I went round the
corner of the car and it was standing at the
back of the car, obviously wanting to go in the
opposite direction, and I was in the road and it
took off up into the bush and I chased it
until it was dark.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Well, you saw it was a bundle in her mouth.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
No, I knew the dog had something. I thought it
had one of my husband's shoes, because it was going
like this to get out at the door of the tent,
and I thought, you know, well, you're going to have
the shoe, but don't hurt anything else. Because two of
the kiddies were asleep. The baby and Regan were both
in the tent.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
You're certain chairs dead, aren't you. Yes, reconciled yourself to that.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
It was so much blood in front of the tent.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Find step. Yes, we found not possible for.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Anything, so much blood looking back now that she was
definitely dead when she left that tent, in her opinion,
certainly unconscious, and.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
It was just so quick.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
We consider the dog was obviously a cunning dog. It
had probably planned its attack, and it had done its
business very effectively.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
It's not that we've got anything against ingoes. Even now.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
They have very beautiful dogs, and they have their right
to their natural habits. But man is spoiling this. Yes,
man has tampered with the dogs in that area.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Does your faith tell you anything about Azaria?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Now, yes, we believe that Azaria is asleep now. The
Bible speaks of death as being asleep, and we believe
that she waits now, not knowing anything, for the hope
of the resurrection. And one of the firmest things that
helps us in our faith is that we believe that
(03:49):
we shall see her again, because she was an innocent,
precious bundle of little joy. But if God is merciful,
and we know that he is, that we will see
her again. It horrifies us to think that people could
really honestly believe such things, you know, after a tragedy
such as how could people turn so quickly?
Speaker 4 (04:10):
A lot of people think the name Azaria this is
another one of the wild rumors. It meant vera of sins,
and she was named specially for this reason. The name
Azaria is Uh, an old Hebrew name, and it means
blessed of God. And we felt we truly were blessed
when we got our little daughters.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
And some people suggested that Azaria wasn't a healthy baby,
and that it was almost a a a euthanasia, didn't they, Yes, they.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
Have suggested this.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
They've had us beating her and her in hospital black
and beal with bruises, a week before she went away,
and our friends that have heard this around the street.
In fact, I had the mother of one young lass
at the high school here today, so that her daughter
was in tears.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Again, why we should be accused, for instance, of her
being linked with satanic activity? This is completely bizarre to us.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Somebody actually suggested, did they, that the baby might have
been sacrificed?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yes, And we have no idea where this could have
come from. We obviously don't believe that sort of thing
because Jesus Christ is our one true sacrifice and he
died once for all two thousand years ago.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Perhaps for those that are skeptical, the fact that my
husband is a clergyman is one gives them a chance
for one ideal rumor to say that he did it
himself to carry away the sins of the entire seventh
Dadventist Church around the world, and that the memorial is
part of this bizarre sacrifice and this sort of thing.
(05:45):
Anybody that is a Christian realized is just what absolute
rubbish that is. And to link the Jamestown murders with
this as well, it's not credible.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Well, I guess the worst thing is that I was
supposed to be.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
In jail when I was at a church program in Townsville.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I was supposed to be.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Handcuffed by the police and wrapped up on a murder charge.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
That's pretty tough to hold.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Some people have been upset at the media coverage. They
sort of tend to think, Oh, you're popular on what
did you do to get on TV? They forget that
it's a tragedy that's caused you on and we have
not asked to be on TV or in the paper
or anything else. Some people have accused us of selling
the story for money, and this is just ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
Why is it?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Do you think that people want to talk about you
as though you were murderers or something like that.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
We have no idea except to say that when people
who set an example in the community and who are
leaders in a faith, it always attracts more attention when
something unusual happens to them.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And perhaps that's why we've.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
There is a Christian answer to this to anybody who
is a Christian will understand the answer I am going
to give now. Anyone who is not Wolf's gooff and
will not understand the reason. But when anyone is willing
or able to stand up and make a public testimony
for Christ. The devil is so infuriated that he will
(07:23):
do something anything to get back at that person and
discredit that witness.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Have you got any special insight into human nature? Because
of these rumors.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Helps you to understand it a little more?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Perhaps we know what the Bible says about human nature
is certainly true that people, at least some people want
to believe evil continually.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Doesn't matter what truth they might get.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
It might be eyeball to eyeball, and yet they will
still not believe.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Where do you think all of these rumors and all
of the tragedy that you're still going through because of
those rumors will end?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
The Lord only knows, But we know this that because
there is always a rainbow.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
After every storm, there must be a rainbow someway on us.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
The letters coming back from parents who have lost their children,
lost husband's relatives, friends who have said to us, you have.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Given us strength and grace to cope with our own loss.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
And one lovely letter said, how I wish I knew
your God.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Lindy and Michael Chamberlain talking with Howard Gibbs and the
tragedy of ten weeks old Asaria Chamberlain
I think Azariah would have lasted a matter of minutes.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
There were certain people within the Northern Territory Police who
were determined to get her.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
A perfect Storm, the true story of the Chamberlain's. People
were saying to me, Oh, you're going there to see
that woman who killed a child.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Bad things happened to good people.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
He asked the foreman, have you reached a verdict?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
He said, yes, you're on a guilty Welcome to the
extra archive material from a perfect Storm.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
I yelled at the dog to scare it off, and
then it sort of registered on my mind as I
was running to the tent because I thought the kidds
are in there. She has cried, it has disturbed her,
and I immediately the only thing I could think of
was first aid. And when I got in the tent
was just nothing, and I called for my husband. I
(00:55):
didn't really couldn't believe the evidence of my own eyes,
and I called her. My call it that Dingo's got
the baby. And I flew out of the tent as
quick as I called, and he said, what Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
It was like col had confronted me as a cold
shiveling up my spy. I thought, this is absolutely ridiculous,
and I rushed into the tent and we looked around
quickly and couldn't see anything.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I thought, my hat, what else could have had it?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
And I rushed out into the blackness, and I felt
as hopeless as I ever felt in my life.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
And I heard some Christian music.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I knew I couldn't see anything around, and I just
ran towards the Christian music and I called out to
the people in the tent there. I said, look, I said,
if you've got a light, come out and search and
help us. If you haven't, please pray, because a dog
or a dingo, wild dog, a dingo has got our baby.
And within minutes, I must credit the police said out
of springs there was. He was there, and we called
(01:56):
for the ranger, and within three quarters of an hour
there were nearly two hundred searches out the.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Look for her.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
And before Michael had even got back to ask people
for tortures, I chased the dog. I went round the
corner of the car and it was standing at the
back of the car, obviously wanting to go in the
opposite direction, and I was in the road and it
took off up into the bush and I chased it
until it was dark.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Well, you saw it was a bundle in her mouth.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
No, I knew the dog had something. I thought it
had one of my husband's shoes, because it was going
like this to get out at the door of the tent,
and I thought, you know, well, you're going to have
the shoe, but don't hurt anything else. Because two of
the kiddies were asleep. The baby and Regan were both
in the tent.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
You're certain chairs dead, aren't you. Yes, reconciled yourself to that.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
It was so much blood in front of the tent.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Find step. Yes, we found not possible for.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Anything, so much blood looking back now that she was
definitely dead when she left that tent, in her opinion,
certainly unconscious, and.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
It was just so quick.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
We consider the dog was obviously a cunning dog. It
had probably planned its attack, and it had done its
business very effectively.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
It's not that we've got anything against ingoes. Even now.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
They have very beautiful dogs, and they have their right
to their natural habits. But man is spoiling this. Yes,
man has tampered with the dogs in that area.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Does your faith tell you anything about Azaria?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Now, yes, we believe that Azaria is asleep now. The
Bible speaks of death as being asleep, and we believe
that she waits now, not knowing anything, for the hope
of the resurrection. And one of the firmest things that
helps us in our faith is that we believe that
(03:49):
we shall see her again, because she was an innocent,
precious bundle of little joy. But if God is merciful,
and we know that he is, that we will see
her again. It horrifies us to think that people could
really honestly believe such things, you know, after a tragedy
such as how could people turn so quickly?
Speaker 4 (04:10):
A lot of people think the name Azaria this is
another one of the wild rumors. It meant vera of sins,
and she was named specially for this reason. The name
Azaria is Uh, an old Hebrew name, and it means
blessed of God. And we felt we truly were blessed
when we got our little daughters.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
And some people suggested that Azaria wasn't a healthy baby,
and that it was almost a a a euthanasia, didn't they, Yes, they.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
Have suggested this.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
They've had us beating her and her in hospital black
and beal with bruises, a week before she went away,
and our friends that have heard this around the street.
In fact, I had the mother of one young lass
at the high school here today, so that her daughter
was in tears.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Again, why we should be accused, for instance, of her
being linked with satanic activity? This is completely bizarre to us.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Somebody actually suggested, did they, that the baby might have
been sacrificed?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yes, And we have no idea where this could have
come from. We obviously don't believe that sort of thing
because Jesus Christ is our one true sacrifice and he
died once for all two thousand years ago.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Perhaps for those that are skeptical, the fact that my
husband is a clergyman is one gives them a chance
for one ideal rumor to say that he did it
himself to carry away the sins of the entire seventh
Dadventist Church around the world, and that the memorial is
part of this bizarre sacrifice and this sort of thing.
(05:45):
Anybody that is a Christian realized is just what absolute
rubbish that is. And to link the Jamestown murders with
this as well, it's not credible.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Well, I guess the worst thing is that I was
supposed to be.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
In jail when I was at a church program in Townsville.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I was supposed to be.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Handcuffed by the police and wrapped up on a murder charge.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
That's pretty tough to hold.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Some people have been upset at the media coverage. They
sort of tend to think, Oh, you're popular on what
did you do to get on TV? They forget that
it's a tragedy that's caused you on and we have
not asked to be on TV or in the paper
or anything else. Some people have accused us of selling
the story for money, and this is just ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
Why is it?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Do you think that people want to talk about you
as though you were murderers or something like that.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
We have no idea except to say that when people
who set an example in the community and who are
leaders in a faith, it always attracts more attention when
something unusual happens to them.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And perhaps that's why we've.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
There is a Christian answer to this to anybody who
is a Christian will understand the answer I am going
to give now. Anyone who is not Wolf's gooff and
will not understand the reason. But when anyone is willing
or able to stand up and make a public testimony
for Christ. The devil is so infuriated that he will
(07:23):
do something anything to get back at that person and
discredit that witness.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Have you got any special insight into human nature? Because
of these rumors.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Helps you to understand it a little more?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Perhaps we know what the Bible says about human nature
is certainly true that people, at least some people want
to believe evil continually.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Doesn't matter what truth they might get.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
It might be eyeball to eyeball, and yet they will
still not believe.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Where do you think all of these rumors and all
of the tragedy that you're still going through because of
those rumors will end?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
The Lord only knows, But we know this that because
there is always a rainbow.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
After every storm, there must be a rainbow someway on us.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
The letters coming back from parents who have lost their children,
lost husband's relatives, friends who have said to us, you have.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Given us strength and grace to cope with our own loss.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
And one lovely letter said, how I wish I knew
your God.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Lindy and Michael Chamberlain talking with Howard Gibbs and the
tragedy of ten weeks old Asaria Chamberlain
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