October 23, 2024 • 15 mins
Actor, broadcaster, comedian, director, narrator and writer Stephen Fry talks with Clairsy & Lisa about his friendship with John Cleese and Rowan Atkinson, his first trip to Perth in the 80s, and the strange questions fans ask him in public.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Stephen Frye is an English actor, screenwriter, author, playwright, journalist, poet, comedian,
television presenter, film director and all round international treasure. This morning,
thank you much, and an evening with Stephen Fryes on
at the First Concert Hall this Sunday and Monday. Sunday
is sold out, but there are a handful of tickets
(00:23):
to spend the evening with Stephen fry on Monday. I
would be getting into Ticketmaster to sweet Stephen fry good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Welcome well, thank you for that glorious, glorious introduction.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Was magnificent but well justified.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Welcome back to Perth.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Thank you, delight always to be in Western Australia. Remote possibly, Yes, definitely,
isn't that a good thing? I think it probably is.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
It was through COVID.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
We think absolutely you were the winners there, weren't you, Melbourne,
Poor Melbourne.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
There was a lot of people who are still affected
by that lockdown, I think from Melville.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, I think so. Anyway, good so, and I gathered
you know that indeed that people have been very kind
and have sold out the first the first performance on Sunday,
so a lot of new one on Monday, which is
really nice. But do you know it's the first place
I ever came to in Australia was Perth back in
nineteen eighty one. Yeah, when you were it was like
(01:29):
entering a sort of double a double identity city because
half of it was basically nineteen fifty two. Yes, the
other half was being I think the phrase is probably
what would you say, bondified. That's right. The America's Cup
(01:51):
was about to be one, and there was a whole
new spirits abroad. And obviously now it's a total the modern,
amazing place. So it last a few years ago and
there are always new buildings. You arrive in you think,
my goodness, but obviously we know where you get all
the all the building aggregates from, because it's a it's
(02:15):
a state that tears itself apart for mineral.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
It was bondified the eighties. Perth loved along Launch the eighties,
were good to.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Purs often used other people's money, but he did have visions.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Steven, it's an evening with and people can ask you questions.
Can you think what an example of one of the
more surprising questions that you've been asked?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well, I mean they are in the cliche ones are
always to any British person who are always about you know,
used to be Have you met the queen? Did you
meet the queen? And there are strange ones about what's
the weirdest thing a fan has ever said to you?
(03:06):
Or whatever? And you know, the answers to that are
pretty strange, of course, because you know, sometimes I'm not
suggesting that I am in any way Harry styles or
anything on that level. But for some reason, some people
when they see you in the street, their brain takes
(03:27):
a little bit of a hiccup, and we'll ask something
strange like you know, what kind of underwear are you
wearing it? And you go, what, No, I just meant
because I don't think of you as someone who wears
underwear or something. You know, they just their mouth runs away.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I'll probably get very nervous around you.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, it is. And of course the mistake you make,
which I discovered early on, because you know, you naturally
think that a witty response, or at least not too
cruelly sarcastic responds would amuse them. So if you're in
a supermarket and sometimes people say what are you doing here?
(04:11):
And so I'll say something like, well, I'm just waiting.
It's the world finals of the badminton and I'm about
to umpire them in L three and they'll go, really, no,
I'm shopping. What does anyone But it's very understandable. And
I remember once it's very early on. It was a lesson. Actually,
(04:33):
I was walking along the street with Rowan Atkinson and
this was I was still at university and we'd just
become friends, and he'd been c our university show I
did with Hugh Laurian Emma Thompson, and he had been
very kind about it, and he'd been sent by his
agent who wanted to know whether he agreed that we
(04:54):
should be on this agent's books, and so he was
like a scout, but he'd come around to that stage
drawing was very kind and he was a star at
the time. There was a series called Not the Nine
o'clock News that he was kind of break out brilliant on.
And so when we walked down the street to get
a cup of tea and someone said to him, I
(05:15):
suppose you get fed up with people stopping you and
he said, no, I get fed up with people saying
I expect you get fed up, and which I thought
was quite funny. They went bright red and well, oh sorry,
I won't bother you then, and off they went, and
Roan said, oh dear, I said, well maybe they would. Yeah.
(05:38):
So that was a kind of lesson in that you
have to understand that people are sometimes a bit they've
built up their courage to say hello and yeah exactly,
and also you mustn't say no, I'm not This was
again to name drop, this time even bigger company. I
(06:00):
was with John Clees and we've been doing it, yeah
exactly and way, and someone came up and to us
both and John Lees said all these amazing things, and
he signed a piece of paper. This was in the
days before selfies. And they said, oh, I really like you,
(06:21):
Stephen and I said, oh nonsense. I said, you know
there's John Cleese here. Then'd be ridiculous. And they said no, no,
I think you're very funny. I said no, I'm not knowing. Anyway,
I signed their thing, and John Lee said a word
of advice. He said, don't disagree with people. If they
say that they like you and that they're good. Don't
just say oh no, I'm hopeless, Just say thank you.
(06:46):
And I thought it's so simple, just say yes, thank you,
it's so obvious. You know, you one kind of works
oneself up into a lather about how not to sound,
you know, too pleased with oneself whatever, and you you
end up up kind of being ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, yeah, that's it exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
That's the great.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
This is a little related to a couple of the
names that you just ran down earlier this morning, Stephen,
we were talking with our listeners about great comedy duos,
and a bit of Frian Laurie came up more than
a couple of times. And I feel as though you've
made it a thing over the years to work with
great friends. What a wonderful caper that's been.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Oh, I've been so lucky. It's absolutely right. And Hugh
primus inter pares, as the Romans said, first amongst equells.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Whatever that means. It sounds beird lover.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
You know, Hugh Hugh. I mean when I first met Hugh,
it was Emma Thompson who introduced us at the university,
and the name dropping. I didn't imagine when I was.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Called Steven's friends, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I just remember Hugh was sitting on on a bed.
She took me around to his rooms at his college
at Cambridge, and his girlfriend was there making a cup
of coffee and knocked on the door and she had
opened it and there was Hugh sitting on a bed
and he just said hello, and I said hello, and
he had a guitar on his lap and he was
(08:19):
He said, I've just been writing this song and he
sang a verse of a chorus and he said, I
don't know how it should go on. And I thought
it was a very funny song. So I sat next
to him. We started adding lyrics to it, and then
we finished the song and started writing a sketch. And
Emma and Katie his friend, just staring at us because
(08:39):
we hadn't basically said anything except this comedy writing, and
it had just we'd just fallen into it. It was
the weirdest thing. It's sort of like if musicians can
do this. You know, someone has a guitar, someone else
has a you know, a piano, and they just join
(09:00):
each other and start playing chords and stuff. It's less
common with with with comedy, I suppose. But it was
like an instant romance. And and I mean we did
in that I suppose cliche way. We fitted different parts
of each other. I'm an intensely verbal person, and Hugh
(09:21):
is not brilliant physically and get oh dear got unhealthy. Well,
it's because all the other pubs and they are missing.
I'm not musical like you, and I'm not athletic like him.
All I have are my words, my poor words.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah, Steve, think about John and stop putting yourself down.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yes, thank yous A fellow cricket tragic.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I need to ask you get your take on something right.
So retired Australian opening batsman David Warner said this week
to the Australian Selectors, I'm here if you need me,
despite the fact that he's retired. Once they're retired, should
they be gone forever? I do a bit of a
column Cowdry and say I'm here anytime you need me.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
It's an interesting question, isn't it. I mean it's in
the case of Colin Cowdry and a few others like
Brian Closed, David Steele, it's because Australia and the West
Indies had these unbelievable fast bowlers and none of our
batsman seemed able to face up to them, and so
we pulled out the old brigade, thinking they might be
(10:26):
braver and more sensible than you know, not took them,
or more robust. But I don't think I mean David,
I mean brilliant obviously in all regards, unless he's facing
Stuart Broad, in which case he collapses. But yeah, I
suppose I can't blame them though that you know, you
would do that. You would think, maybe it's time for
(10:47):
me to go, and I'll have my you know, final match,
and everybody will stand at the at you know, the
mcg or wherever my last match will be. I'll have
this huge evasion and I'll go off in tears to
the you know, to to the dressing room and all
the rest of it. But then a few months later
you think, oh god, I should be out there, especially
(11:07):
if you see that they haven't got a good opener,
and you think, well, if you want to recall me,
I might consider it. You know, I can just imagine it.
It's very hard, you know, but to have the courage
not to be that overweight heavyweight that trips over as
he sets back into the ring for that final purse,
(11:32):
I don't know. But no, it's the thing about if
I can bring it back to Greek myths, one of
the most beloved of the Greek heroes was Achilles, golden Achilles,
and his mother was told that there was a prophecy
that he would be a glorious hero, and the more
glorious than any that had ever lived, but that he
(11:53):
would die young, or he could have a long, happy,
serene life in obscurity, no one ever having heard of him.
And she wanted that for him, which is why she
dipped him in the river Lethy, so that he would
be invincible. She held him by the ankle and.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Dipped him in the waters of.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Lisi, and that bit which her fingers held on the ankle,
which was his literal Achilles heel, and that's where he
died when he was young in the Trojan War, Paris
got him with an envenomed arrow. But he was in
that sense. I think Achilles was if you like the
patron hero of athletes, because they have the same thing.
(12:37):
You can have glory, you can have sun, you can
have golden wonder in your life, but only until you're
thirty two thirty four, yeah, depending on the spots, and
from then on it's a pot belly and a rising
hairline and disappointment and bitterness and rancor and obscurity, but
(12:59):
that time in the sun would have been like nothing
on earth. And you know, and those of us who
are not Achilles, we look at those glorious figures in
those men and women of unbelievable supreme athletic ability, and
we think, oh, just for half an hour being them,
But in fact it is like half an hour and
then they have to end it. And if some of
(13:21):
them are lucky, they've got careers of you know, in
the sport as journalists and commentators on analysts. But others,
you know, they open a sports shop in Rockhampton or whatever,
and you know they'll do very well, and they sell
a few rackets and bats, and they sign a few autographs.
But it's it must be hard to deal with. I suppose,
(13:42):
that's all I'm saying. Really, I can understand why everyone
would want to put off the day when he's no longer.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Out there in the middle, before we gradually let you go.
If I may fawned for just a moment. One of
my favorite books ever is The Hippopotamus, and it turns
It turns thirty this year, and you know, I only
just discovered in the last couple of years that a
movie had been made of it back around twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Really, yes, and it was.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I'm so pleased you did. I mean it is. It
is my favorite of my novels. I think it's the
second one, which is all the problematic one. Yes, oh,
thank you. That means the world to me.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
You know, the thirtieth Birthday to the Hippopotamus.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Thank you so much. And I believe it's still in
print Australia.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yes, I haven't got it back from the last person.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Let a murderous bring along. Bring along a copy on
Sunday or Monday when you come and see my show.
I will sign it for you with the greatest.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Player, Stephen fry There are there, As I said, getting
quick at Ticketmaster to get the precious few tickets left
for the Monday show. To spend an evening with Stephen Frye.
Thank you so much this morning.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Could have chat it all day and had lunch. Thank
you Stephens all the very bad you two.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Good Bye,
Stephen Frye is an English actor, screenwriter, author, playwright, journalist, poet, comedian,
television presenter, film director and all round international treasure. This morning,
thank you much, and an evening with Stephen Fryes on
at the First Concert Hall this Sunday and Monday. Sunday
is sold out, but there are a handful of tickets
(00:23):
to spend the evening with Stephen fry on Monday. I
would be getting into Ticketmaster to sweet Stephen fry good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Welcome well, thank you for that glorious, glorious introduction.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Was magnificent but well justified.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Welcome back to Perth.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Thank you, delight always to be in Western Australia. Remote possibly, Yes, definitely,
isn't that a good thing? I think it probably is.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
It was through COVID.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
We think absolutely you were the winners there, weren't you, Melbourne,
Poor Melbourne.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
There was a lot of people who are still affected
by that lockdown, I think from Melville.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, I think so. Anyway, good so, and I gathered
you know that indeed that people have been very kind
and have sold out the first the first performance on Sunday,
so a lot of new one on Monday, which is
really nice. But do you know it's the first place
I ever came to in Australia was Perth back in
nineteen eighty one. Yeah, when you were it was like
(01:29):
entering a sort of double a double identity city because
half of it was basically nineteen fifty two. Yes, the
other half was being I think the phrase is probably
what would you say, bondified. That's right. The America's Cup
(01:51):
was about to be one, and there was a whole
new spirits abroad. And obviously now it's a total the modern,
amazing place. So it last a few years ago and
there are always new buildings. You arrive in you think,
my goodness, but obviously we know where you get all
the all the building aggregates from, because it's a it's
(02:15):
a state that tears itself apart for mineral.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
It was bondified the eighties. Perth loved along Launch the eighties,
were good to.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Purs often used other people's money, but he did have visions.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Steven, it's an evening with and people can ask you questions.
Can you think what an example of one of the
more surprising questions that you've been asked?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well, I mean they are in the cliche ones are
always to any British person who are always about you know,
used to be Have you met the queen? Did you
meet the queen? And there are strange ones about what's
the weirdest thing a fan has ever said to you?
(03:06):
Or whatever? And you know, the answers to that are
pretty strange, of course, because you know, sometimes I'm not
suggesting that I am in any way Harry styles or
anything on that level. But for some reason, some people
when they see you in the street, their brain takes
(03:27):
a little bit of a hiccup, and we'll ask something
strange like you know, what kind of underwear are you
wearing it? And you go, what, No, I just meant
because I don't think of you as someone who wears
underwear or something. You know, they just their mouth runs away.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I'll probably get very nervous around you.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, it is. And of course the mistake you make,
which I discovered early on, because you know, you naturally
think that a witty response, or at least not too
cruelly sarcastic responds would amuse them. So if you're in
a supermarket and sometimes people say what are you doing here?
(04:11):
And so I'll say something like, well, I'm just waiting.
It's the world finals of the badminton and I'm about
to umpire them in L three and they'll go, really, no,
I'm shopping. What does anyone But it's very understandable. And
I remember once it's very early on. It was a lesson. Actually,
(04:33):
I was walking along the street with Rowan Atkinson and
this was I was still at university and we'd just
become friends, and he'd been c our university show I
did with Hugh Laurian Emma Thompson, and he had been
very kind about it, and he'd been sent by his
agent who wanted to know whether he agreed that we
(04:54):
should be on this agent's books, and so he was
like a scout, but he'd come around to that stage
drawing was very kind and he was a star at
the time. There was a series called Not the Nine
o'clock News that he was kind of break out brilliant on.
And so when we walked down the street to get
a cup of tea and someone said to him, I
(05:15):
suppose you get fed up with people stopping you and
he said, no, I get fed up with people saying
I expect you get fed up, and which I thought
was quite funny. They went bright red and well, oh sorry,
I won't bother you then, and off they went, and
Roan said, oh dear, I said, well maybe they would. Yeah.
(05:38):
So that was a kind of lesson in that you
have to understand that people are sometimes a bit they've
built up their courage to say hello and yeah exactly,
and also you mustn't say no, I'm not This was
again to name drop, this time even bigger company. I
(06:00):
was with John Clees and we've been doing it, yeah
exactly and way, and someone came up and to us
both and John Lees said all these amazing things, and
he signed a piece of paper. This was in the
days before selfies. And they said, oh, I really like you,
(06:21):
Stephen and I said, oh nonsense. I said, you know
there's John Cleese here. Then'd be ridiculous. And they said no, no,
I think you're very funny. I said no, I'm not knowing. Anyway,
I signed their thing, and John Lee said a word
of advice. He said, don't disagree with people. If they
say that they like you and that they're good. Don't
just say oh no, I'm hopeless, Just say thank you.
(06:46):
And I thought it's so simple, just say yes, thank you,
it's so obvious. You know, you one kind of works
oneself up into a lather about how not to sound,
you know, too pleased with oneself whatever, and you you
end up up kind of being ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, yeah, that's it exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
That's the great.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
This is a little related to a couple of the
names that you just ran down earlier this morning, Stephen,
we were talking with our listeners about great comedy duos,
and a bit of Frian Laurie came up more than
a couple of times. And I feel as though you've
made it a thing over the years to work with
great friends. What a wonderful caper that's been.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Oh, I've been so lucky. It's absolutely right. And Hugh
primus inter pares, as the Romans said, first amongst equells.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Whatever that means. It sounds beird lover.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
You know, Hugh Hugh. I mean when I first met Hugh,
it was Emma Thompson who introduced us at the university,
and the name dropping. I didn't imagine when I was.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Called Steven's friends, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I just remember Hugh was sitting on on a bed.
She took me around to his rooms at his college
at Cambridge, and his girlfriend was there making a cup
of coffee and knocked on the door and she had
opened it and there was Hugh sitting on a bed
and he just said hello, and I said hello, and
he had a guitar on his lap and he was
(08:19):
He said, I've just been writing this song and he
sang a verse of a chorus and he said, I
don't know how it should go on. And I thought
it was a very funny song. So I sat next
to him. We started adding lyrics to it, and then
we finished the song and started writing a sketch. And
Emma and Katie his friend, just staring at us because
(08:39):
we hadn't basically said anything except this comedy writing, and
it had just we'd just fallen into it. It was
the weirdest thing. It's sort of like if musicians can
do this. You know, someone has a guitar, someone else
has a you know, a piano, and they just join
(09:00):
each other and start playing chords and stuff. It's less
common with with with comedy, I suppose. But it was
like an instant romance. And and I mean we did
in that I suppose cliche way. We fitted different parts
of each other. I'm an intensely verbal person, and Hugh
(09:21):
is not brilliant physically and get oh dear got unhealthy. Well,
it's because all the other pubs and they are missing.
I'm not musical like you, and I'm not athletic like him.
All I have are my words, my poor words.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah, Steve, think about John and stop putting yourself down.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yes, thank yous A fellow cricket tragic.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I need to ask you get your take on something right.
So retired Australian opening batsman David Warner said this week
to the Australian Selectors, I'm here if you need me,
despite the fact that he's retired. Once they're retired, should
they be gone forever? I do a bit of a
column Cowdry and say I'm here anytime you need me.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
It's an interesting question, isn't it. I mean it's in
the case of Colin Cowdry and a few others like
Brian Closed, David Steele, it's because Australia and the West
Indies had these unbelievable fast bowlers and none of our
batsman seemed able to face up to them, and so
we pulled out the old brigade, thinking they might be
(10:26):
braver and more sensible than you know, not took them,
or more robust. But I don't think I mean David,
I mean brilliant obviously in all regards, unless he's facing
Stuart Broad, in which case he collapses. But yeah, I
suppose I can't blame them though that you know, you
would do that. You would think, maybe it's time for
(10:47):
me to go, and I'll have my you know, final match,
and everybody will stand at the at you know, the
mcg or wherever my last match will be. I'll have
this huge evasion and I'll go off in tears to
the you know, to to the dressing room and all
the rest of it. But then a few months later
you think, oh god, I should be out there, especially
(11:07):
if you see that they haven't got a good opener,
and you think, well, if you want to recall me,
I might consider it. You know, I can just imagine it.
It's very hard, you know, but to have the courage
not to be that overweight heavyweight that trips over as
he sets back into the ring for that final purse,
(11:32):
I don't know. But no, it's the thing about if
I can bring it back to Greek myths, one of
the most beloved of the Greek heroes was Achilles, golden Achilles,
and his mother was told that there was a prophecy
that he would be a glorious hero, and the more
glorious than any that had ever lived, but that he
(11:53):
would die young, or he could have a long, happy,
serene life in obscurity, no one ever having heard of him.
And she wanted that for him, which is why she
dipped him in the river Lethy, so that he would
be invincible. She held him by the ankle and.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Dipped him in the waters of.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Lisi, and that bit which her fingers held on the ankle,
which was his literal Achilles heel, and that's where he
died when he was young in the Trojan War, Paris
got him with an envenomed arrow. But he was in
that sense. I think Achilles was if you like the
patron hero of athletes, because they have the same thing.
(12:37):
You can have glory, you can have sun, you can
have golden wonder in your life, but only until you're
thirty two thirty four, yeah, depending on the spots, and
from then on it's a pot belly and a rising
hairline and disappointment and bitterness and rancor and obscurity, but
(12:59):
that time in the sun would have been like nothing
on earth. And you know, and those of us who
are not Achilles, we look at those glorious figures in
those men and women of unbelievable supreme athletic ability, and
we think, oh, just for half an hour being them,
But in fact it is like half an hour and
then they have to end it. And if some of
(13:21):
them are lucky, they've got careers of you know, in
the sport as journalists and commentators on analysts. But others,
you know, they open a sports shop in Rockhampton or whatever,
and you know they'll do very well, and they sell
a few rackets and bats, and they sign a few autographs.
But it's it must be hard to deal with. I suppose,
(13:42):
that's all I'm saying. Really, I can understand why everyone
would want to put off the day when he's no longer.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Out there in the middle, before we gradually let you go.
If I may fawned for just a moment. One of
my favorite books ever is The Hippopotamus, and it turns
It turns thirty this year, and you know, I only
just discovered in the last couple of years that a
movie had been made of it back around twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Really, yes, and it was.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I'm so pleased you did. I mean it is. It
is my favorite of my novels. I think it's the
second one, which is all the problematic one. Yes, oh,
thank you. That means the world to me.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
You know, the thirtieth Birthday to the Hippopotamus.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Thank you so much. And I believe it's still in
print Australia.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yes, I haven't got it back from the last person.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Let a murderous bring along. Bring along a copy on
Sunday or Monday when you come and see my show.
I will sign it for you with the greatest.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Player, Stephen fry There are there, As I said, getting
quick at Ticketmaster to get the precious few tickets left
for the Monday show. To spend an evening with Stephen Frye.
Thank you so much this morning.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Could have chat it all day and had lunch. Thank
you Stephens all the very bad you two.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Good Bye,
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