February 27, 2023 • 12 mins
He's the man who's had the pleasure of being in a couple of the biggest bands ever. Now, the Doobie Brothers' smooth-voiced Michael McDonald (who referred to himself a 'just a bar singer') is heading to Perth as part of Bluesfest. Clairsy & Lisa spoke to the living legend ahead of the concert.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Blues Fast is coming up on April the first at
Nikola Estate. You can get your tickets through Ticketmaster and
this year featuring the likes of Count and Crow's, John Butler,
Michael Frantie and Spearhead and headlined by the Doobie Brothers.
Michael McDonald is joining us now. Good morning, Michael, good morning,
call you very very well. Now you heard that lineup.
(00:21):
Have you ever performed with any of those before, you.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Know, I'm sure the band has. You know. I'm just
back with the band in the last two years for
our fiftieth anniversary, but I know some of those bands
that worked with the Doobies in the years prior, you know,
So we're very much looking forward to coming down back,
getting back down under again. It's been a while for us.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Michael, very excited, massive fan of yourself and of the
band to see you see you're back with the boys
again with this, you know, the fiftieth anniversary tour. But
I just want to talk about Grammy Week. It was
a huge week of course with Stevie Wonder doing the
tribute to Smokey and Smokey Robinson and Berry Goody. You know,
as the music is people of the year you had
a big play in that week.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
It was.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
It was wonderful to see the tributes, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It was a lot of fun, you know, and I
was so so honored to be asked to do that.
Those guys are just such giants in my mind as
far as music of the sixties, and you know what
part they played in all that is. They're probably the
reason I even do this today, you know. So it
was it was really a privilege.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Now but freshly back with the Dbie brothers. But of
course you've been you've toured for many, many years. What
is the biggest thing you would say has changed about
being on the road.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well, we probably get a lot more sleep, you know,
our Hleral road we used to but uh yeah, you know, uh,
not much really, you know. It's it's funny. Back in
the in the day in the seventies, we traveled by airplane.
We had an old hot rodded you know. Uh yeah,
it was probably an old commuter airliner that was probably
(02:00):
taken out of service long before we used it. And
you know, we we flew around the US and that uh, nowadays,
I don't know what, you know, people help people travel,
I know, for US we traveled by bus these days
in the US, and so we spent a lot of
time sleeping in our bunks and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You know, Michael, is it true that that plane of
which you speak was called the Doobie Liner and you
had one for the one for the roadies called the
Krubie Liner.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
That's very true.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Wanted to ask you that, Michael.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I wanted to ask you that all my life.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Oh no, yeah, that's that's true, boy liner. Yeah, and
the Dooby Liner became a became a restaurant. Oh really, yeah,
it actually became the Doobie Diner.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Sounds like something Jimmy Buffett to do, make it into
a business. Last time was last time I saw the Boys?
Was Tom Johnson was and Pat Simmons were sharing the
vocals and Tom mcfae were in town with yourself. Was
there ever a moment with the band where it was
a Don Hanley Eagles moment where it was like we're
not getting back together until hell phrases eva? Or was
it just you had a solo career to get them
with you know, I.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Think no, it was never any animosity. I think we've
we've always been friends. I mean, we did our share,
you know, throwing furniture at each other backstage in the
old days, you know, over stupid things, and then we
make up by the next day, you know. But we
were really what I think solidified us as a band
more than anything. It was our friendship and in the
(03:32):
fact that we all loved doing what we did together,
you know, and traveling together. There was a time where
the band you always had to make strategic decisions and
when the band broke up, when Pat you know, decided
to leave the band, he was really kind of the
last original Doobie and we didn't really feel like those
of us that were left really warranted calling ourselves Adobies
(03:54):
are going out, and you know, we know it to
the audiences to either really be the do vision are
having someone in there that that was originally with the band,
and although we were still playing Tom's music, you know,
the audiences are still that was always a big part
of the band. Even when Tom wasn't there, his music
was a huge part of our show, you know. So
(04:16):
there was a time when we kind of woke up
for a while. Then when the band got back together,
they tried to reassemble close to the original band as
they could I think, and I think that was a
smart move really, because they took it from there and
probably got to where they sounded better than the band
as other sounders.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
You know, you've had what you probably considered the distinct
pleasure of being in a couple of the biggest bands ever,
I mean the Derby Brothers and then for a couple
of years in the seventies, Steely Dan and Steely Dan.
You know, Michael was the bad the very first band
that we ever played on ninety six FM here when
the station launched in nineteen eighty. It was it was
the first FM radio station in town and we played
(04:55):
FM all go static at all.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Oh my gosh, that's great a bit of history.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Yeah, and Michael Steely Dan have been my favorite band
for many years. And I love you guys as well,
but I know you as less you said you work
with him, But those two, you know, the light Walter
Baker and Donald Fagen, absolute studio perfectionists, Majie, you know,
nice slash in the studio yourself. What was I l
like working with the boys, You.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Know, I always had good fun with the guys. You know,
they were tough, you know, in their own way, but
I always kind of figured it was because they were
from New York. Yeah, and I just I figured I
was just getting a good New York hazing. You know.
Some of the LA musicians kind of kind of bristled
at their approach, but I I kind of took it,
(05:37):
you know, as as they were just being having a
sense of humor with me. You know. Yeah, but you
know they did, you know, they were exacting, you know,
in their approach, and and and no less on themselves,
you know. I mean, so they were really uh, you know,
I don't like to say they were perfectionists, but they were.
They always still to make the next project bring something
(06:01):
better to the endeavor, you know than they had maybe
thought of before, And I always admired that.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
A little bit of businessman about them. I guess that
you have collaborated with some amazing artists, the likes of
Aretha Franklin and Joni Mitchell and Van Halen. Is there
anyone you can think of that you would love to
collaborate with one day that you haven't had the opportunity,
you know.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
There's probably so many artists, you know, and I've been
so very fortunate that the realm just by you know,
random providence. Really, you know, I think of artists that
they are out there today. I would still love to
make a record with Stevie Wonder, and we've worked together
over the years, and we talked about doing that, and
(06:43):
it's just, you know, sometimes those things come to fruition,
sometimes they don't. But I still have high hopes that
we'll be able to do that someday. He actually played
on my motown records. But I would love to sing
something together, or sing one of his songs and have
him produced.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Absolutely, we want to sing back in Astralia if we can. Hey,
last night, when I was cooking dinner, Michael, I was
listening to a song, a live version of one of
your songs called I Keep Forgetting We're not in love anymore?
Do you have to have lived it to write and
sing with such passion about a subject, mate? Or can
you manufacture it in your head?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
It's funny that you asked that, because you know songs
kind of you know, like a lot of things, over
the years, even your own songs change in their meaning.
You know, what do you think the words meant when
you were in your therapies and forties and what they
come to mean after a few years is could sometimes
change and more into something different. Like, for instance, at
(07:37):
seventy one, the words I keep forgetting come to mean
something totally different to me now, you know, because yeah,
I do actually forget a lot of it. But yeah,
you know, I mean songs like What's going On? You know,
some of those songs that we grew up with. They
were relevant in the days when they were written, but
they've only seemed to become more relevant, sadly in some
(08:00):
cases with time. You know, all these years later, a
song like What's going On still resonates, you know, for
all the same reasons, and eating in a more broader sense.
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
The Deobu Brothers are recent inductees into the Rock and
Roll Hall of Fame. It was twenty twenty. What kind
of not is that? Is it a big night? Is
it a you know as you know moments go? Is
that one of the big east?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah? It was. It was a real thrill for us.
I mean, you know, we're we sad that it wasn't televised. Yes,
and no, you know, I mean sometimes those events can
be it's really the honor of being nominated that that
matters the most. You know, Yeah, sometimes the event is
something you have to endure, you know. But really, honestly,
(08:44):
I was really, you know, a flattered to be asked
first of all by the band to join them in that,
you know, and all the guys that were due these
were included in that honor. So yeah, it was it
was a wonderful thing to think that we would actually
be considered a part of rock history. You know.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I think it was important that you all be there.
Of course, it was everyone's moment, yeah, part of it.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Michael, I want to talk about your voice. I think
you've got one of the great soul voices of all time.
What's the key in out seventy one recent birthday? That's
the key to looking after that instrument, that beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
It's one of those things that I've come late to
in my life. You know, there was a time when
I really didn't do much of anything to really that
I should. And I've heard of singers, you know, I
know singers that they have rituals and they really go
out of their way to take care of their voice,
and I think in some cases it's really to the better.
(09:39):
You know. There's a great singers who read a lot
of capacity and very capable singers. You know, I never
considered myself one of those. I was just you know,
a bar singer, a blue singer, and I you know,
I smoked too much and I drank too much over
the years. Now I don't do any of those things.
I find it. I wish I had quit because my
(10:00):
voice benefited from you know, it's taking a little bit
of care of it. You know.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Wow, I've heard that can go both ways.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Maybe that's just an excuse. I've heard people use it.
I can't quit now because almost.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Husky when we see you in Perth Night April first.
Is there a song with the Doobies that you can't
do a gig without, you know, the sign that you're
sung the crowd just crave. Is it China Grove or
taking it to the streets or what a fool believes?
Is it one that that they just begged for.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
There's a few with the Doobies that you know, and
a lot of them are Pat and Tommy songs that
are just you know, blackwater. There's no way to react
with the Blackwater off train run andro you know, listening
to the music got so many of Tommy songs and
Pat songs and yeah, and I feel like you know,
take It to the Streets is one of those songs
for us too in the show that you know, we
(10:48):
play it every night, and you know, frankly, it's it's
all about the audience's reaction songs. It's weird. Have all
probably been tired of playing the songs fifty years ago,
but you know, when the audience reacts where they do,
it becomes all about that moment, you know, in that audience,
that experience with that audience, the song is it's kind
of secondary. It's really about that moment in time, you know,
(11:10):
And so it's never it never goes old, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, Hi, Michael. We asked all of the music coming
out to show the last artist, band or T shirt
that you wore. If you wear the T shirts and
it can be your own merchandise, do you remember the
last one you had on?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I'll see the last one, you know, I really don't.
I haven't worn much merch It used to be. I
wore it all the time because it was the only
clean orlundria, you know, so I'd be wearing all these
other bands T shirts and our own T shirts just
because the last clean shirt I had. You know, I
have a lot of those T shirts. I did find
(11:44):
the box once. Of all this vintage do be better
merchandise from the early seventies, none of which I could
possibly ever fit in. Now, my sisters, you know, found it,
you know, and by the time.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I horn that was going on, you never let your
sisters get hold of it.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, Well, the Blues first is as I said April first,
this is not a joke. At Nicola Estate tickets through
Ticketmaster and the Doobie Brothers Michael McDonald, we are very
much looking forward to reaching our shores. Thank you for
your chat today.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Thanks man, good to talk.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Well. I'm looking forward to it very much too, Thank.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
You, Thanks Michael, Thanks all the best guys.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Tickets
Blues Fast is coming up on April the first at
Nikola Estate. You can get your tickets through Ticketmaster and
this year featuring the likes of Count and Crow's, John Butler,
Michael Frantie and Spearhead and headlined by the Doobie Brothers.
Michael McDonald is joining us now. Good morning, Michael, good morning,
call you very very well. Now you heard that lineup.
(00:21):
Have you ever performed with any of those before, you.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Know, I'm sure the band has. You know. I'm just
back with the band in the last two years for
our fiftieth anniversary, but I know some of those bands
that worked with the Doobies in the years prior, you know,
So we're very much looking forward to coming down back,
getting back down under again. It's been a while for us.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Michael, very excited, massive fan of yourself and of the
band to see you see you're back with the boys
again with this, you know, the fiftieth anniversary tour. But
I just want to talk about Grammy Week. It was
a huge week of course with Stevie Wonder doing the
tribute to Smokey and Smokey Robinson and Berry Goody. You know,
as the music is people of the year you had
a big play in that week.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
It was.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
It was wonderful to see the tributes, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It was a lot of fun, you know, and I
was so so honored to be asked to do that.
Those guys are just such giants in my mind as
far as music of the sixties, and you know what
part they played in all that is. They're probably the
reason I even do this today, you know. So it
was it was really a privilege.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Now but freshly back with the Dbie brothers. But of
course you've been you've toured for many, many years. What
is the biggest thing you would say has changed about
being on the road.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well, we probably get a lot more sleep, you know,
our Hleral road we used to but uh yeah, you know, uh,
not much really, you know. It's it's funny. Back in
the in the day in the seventies, we traveled by airplane.
We had an old hot rodded you know. Uh yeah,
it was probably an old commuter airliner that was probably
(02:00):
taken out of service long before we used it. And
you know, we we flew around the US and that uh, nowadays,
I don't know what, you know, people help people travel,
I know, for US we traveled by bus these days
in the US, and so we spent a lot of
time sleeping in our bunks and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You know, Michael, is it true that that plane of
which you speak was called the Doobie Liner and you
had one for the one for the roadies called the
Krubie Liner.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
That's very true.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Wanted to ask you that, Michael.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I wanted to ask you that all my life.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Oh no, yeah, that's that's true, boy liner. Yeah, and
the Dooby Liner became a became a restaurant. Oh really, yeah,
it actually became the Doobie Diner.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Sounds like something Jimmy Buffett to do, make it into
a business. Last time was last time I saw the Boys?
Was Tom Johnson was and Pat Simmons were sharing the
vocals and Tom mcfae were in town with yourself. Was
there ever a moment with the band where it was
a Don Hanley Eagles moment where it was like we're
not getting back together until hell phrases eva? Or was
it just you had a solo career to get them
with you know, I.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Think no, it was never any animosity. I think we've
we've always been friends. I mean, we did our share,
you know, throwing furniture at each other backstage in the
old days, you know, over stupid things, and then we
make up by the next day, you know. But we
were really what I think solidified us as a band
more than anything. It was our friendship and in the
(03:32):
fact that we all loved doing what we did together,
you know, and traveling together. There was a time where
the band you always had to make strategic decisions and
when the band broke up, when Pat you know, decided
to leave the band, he was really kind of the
last original Doobie and we didn't really feel like those
of us that were left really warranted calling ourselves Adobies
(03:54):
are going out, and you know, we know it to
the audiences to either really be the do vision are
having someone in there that that was originally with the band,
and although we were still playing Tom's music, you know,
the audiences are still that was always a big part
of the band. Even when Tom wasn't there, his music
was a huge part of our show, you know. So
(04:16):
there was a time when we kind of woke up
for a while. Then when the band got back together,
they tried to reassemble close to the original band as
they could I think, and I think that was a
smart move really, because they took it from there and
probably got to where they sounded better than the band
as other sounders.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
You know, you've had what you probably considered the distinct
pleasure of being in a couple of the biggest bands ever,
I mean the Derby Brothers and then for a couple
of years in the seventies, Steely Dan and Steely Dan.
You know, Michael was the bad the very first band
that we ever played on ninety six FM here when
the station launched in nineteen eighty. It was it was
the first FM radio station in town and we played
(04:55):
FM all go static at all.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Oh my gosh, that's great a bit of history.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Yeah, and Michael Steely Dan have been my favorite band
for many years. And I love you guys as well,
but I know you as less you said you work
with him, But those two, you know, the light Walter
Baker and Donald Fagen, absolute studio perfectionists, Majie, you know,
nice slash in the studio yourself. What was I l
like working with the boys, You.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Know, I always had good fun with the guys. You know,
they were tough, you know, in their own way, but
I always kind of figured it was because they were
from New York. Yeah, and I just I figured I
was just getting a good New York hazing. You know.
Some of the LA musicians kind of kind of bristled
at their approach, but I I kind of took it,
(05:37):
you know, as as they were just being having a
sense of humor with me. You know. Yeah, but you
know they did, you know, they were exacting, you know,
in their approach, and and and no less on themselves,
you know. I mean, so they were really uh, you know,
I don't like to say they were perfectionists, but they were.
They always still to make the next project bring something
(06:01):
better to the endeavor, you know than they had maybe
thought of before, And I always admired that.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
A little bit of businessman about them. I guess that
you have collaborated with some amazing artists, the likes of
Aretha Franklin and Joni Mitchell and Van Halen. Is there
anyone you can think of that you would love to
collaborate with one day that you haven't had the opportunity,
you know.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
There's probably so many artists, you know, and I've been
so very fortunate that the realm just by you know,
random providence. Really, you know, I think of artists that
they are out there today. I would still love to
make a record with Stevie Wonder, and we've worked together
over the years, and we talked about doing that, and
(06:43):
it's just, you know, sometimes those things come to fruition,
sometimes they don't. But I still have high hopes that
we'll be able to do that someday. He actually played
on my motown records. But I would love to sing
something together, or sing one of his songs and have
him produced.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Absolutely, we want to sing back in Astralia if we can. Hey,
last night, when I was cooking dinner, Michael, I was
listening to a song, a live version of one of
your songs called I Keep Forgetting We're not in love anymore?
Do you have to have lived it to write and
sing with such passion about a subject, mate? Or can
you manufacture it in your head?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
It's funny that you asked that, because you know songs
kind of you know, like a lot of things, over
the years, even your own songs change in their meaning.
You know, what do you think the words meant when
you were in your therapies and forties and what they
come to mean after a few years is could sometimes
change and more into something different. Like, for instance, at
(07:37):
seventy one, the words I keep forgetting come to mean
something totally different to me now, you know, because yeah,
I do actually forget a lot of it. But yeah,
you know, I mean songs like What's going On? You know,
some of those songs that we grew up with. They
were relevant in the days when they were written, but
they've only seemed to become more relevant, sadly in some
(08:00):
cases with time. You know, all these years later, a
song like What's going On still resonates, you know, for
all the same reasons, and eating in a more broader sense.
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
The Deobu Brothers are recent inductees into the Rock and
Roll Hall of Fame. It was twenty twenty. What kind
of not is that? Is it a big night? Is
it a you know as you know moments go? Is
that one of the big east?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah? It was. It was a real thrill for us.
I mean, you know, we're we sad that it wasn't televised. Yes,
and no, you know, I mean sometimes those events can
be it's really the honor of being nominated that that
matters the most. You know, Yeah, sometimes the event is
something you have to endure, you know. But really, honestly,
(08:44):
I was really, you know, a flattered to be asked
first of all by the band to join them in that,
you know, and all the guys that were due these
were included in that honor. So yeah, it was it
was a wonderful thing to think that we would actually
be considered a part of rock history. You know.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I think it was important that you all be there.
Of course, it was everyone's moment, yeah, part of it.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Michael, I want to talk about your voice. I think
you've got one of the great soul voices of all time.
What's the key in out seventy one recent birthday? That's
the key to looking after that instrument, that beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
It's one of those things that I've come late to
in my life. You know, there was a time when
I really didn't do much of anything to really that
I should. And I've heard of singers, you know, I
know singers that they have rituals and they really go
out of their way to take care of their voice,
and I think in some cases it's really to the better.
(09:39):
You know. There's a great singers who read a lot
of capacity and very capable singers. You know, I never
considered myself one of those. I was just you know,
a bar singer, a blue singer, and I you know,
I smoked too much and I drank too much over
the years. Now I don't do any of those things.
I find it. I wish I had quit because my
(10:00):
voice benefited from you know, it's taking a little bit
of care of it. You know.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Wow, I've heard that can go both ways.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Maybe that's just an excuse. I've heard people use it.
I can't quit now because almost.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Husky when we see you in Perth Night April first.
Is there a song with the Doobies that you can't
do a gig without, you know, the sign that you're
sung the crowd just crave. Is it China Grove or
taking it to the streets or what a fool believes?
Is it one that that they just begged for.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
There's a few with the Doobies that you know, and
a lot of them are Pat and Tommy songs that
are just you know, blackwater. There's no way to react
with the Blackwater off train run andro you know, listening
to the music got so many of Tommy songs and
Pat songs and yeah, and I feel like you know,
take It to the Streets is one of those songs
for us too in the show that you know, we
(10:48):
play it every night, and you know, frankly, it's it's
all about the audience's reaction songs. It's weird. Have all
probably been tired of playing the songs fifty years ago,
but you know, when the audience reacts where they do,
it becomes all about that moment, you know, in that audience,
that experience with that audience, the song is it's kind
of secondary. It's really about that moment in time, you know,
(11:10):
And so it's never it never goes old, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, Hi, Michael. We asked all of the music coming
out to show the last artist, band or T shirt
that you wore. If you wear the T shirts and
it can be your own merchandise, do you remember the
last one you had on?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I'll see the last one, you know, I really don't.
I haven't worn much merch It used to be. I
wore it all the time because it was the only
clean orlundria, you know, so I'd be wearing all these
other bands T shirts and our own T shirts just
because the last clean shirt I had. You know, I
have a lot of those T shirts. I did find
(11:44):
the box once. Of all this vintage do be better
merchandise from the early seventies, none of which I could
possibly ever fit in. Now, my sisters, you know, found it,
you know, and by the time.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I horn that was going on, you never let your
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