November 8, 2020 • 23 mins
Wrapping up Season One, Matika and Courtney chat about their highlights of the podcast this year. The pair read out some listener coments and chat about whats next. Tune in for Season Two in December of 2020!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Coming Out Black is an online community built to suport
and celebrate our first Nations mob in the LGBTQIA plus community.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
We've developed this podcast to share our stories and we
want you to join us for these conversations. This episode
is being released on Sunday, the eighth of November, the
start of nadog Weeek for twenty twenty. Coming Out Black
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wishes to acknowledge our elders, past, present and emerging for
the strength they bring and the knowledge they continue to hold.
This podcast is recorded and edited on unseated Aboriginal land
land our people have cared for for over sixty five
thousand years. To learn more about Nadocweek, go to www
dot NADOC dot org dot au or check out our
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Instagram at coming Out Black, where we'll be sharing NADOC
week specific content all week. This always was and always
will be Average in nor Land. Enjoyed this week's episode
and we look forward to chatting with you in season
two of Coming Out Black.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It's cool to be back.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I'm pretty pretty black pump to jump right into this
episode because it's all about us reflecting. We started this podcast, well,
the journey started last year. We actually took the leap
of faith put it out in May, and so much
has happened ever since, so pretty keen to jump into it.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I know me too.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I think this is a really exciting little episode to
sort of wrap up what I'm now calling sort of
season one of Coming Out Black and sort of then
almost doing like a mini relaunching to season two and
like some really exciting, fantastic things coming up for the podcast.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
And I know that you're just excited about that as
I am.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
So I think a little reflective episode is the perfect
thing to just set this season off.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
But firstly, how's your week?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Then? How have my week's been? Right?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
It's been a while since we did our little weekly update,
So since we last chatted, I've moved house, which is
exciting and I'm really loving it. It's a move building
my house. Beat's like lovely, She's really nice, so that's
great for me. I'm no longer dating like five hundred people.
That's I'm being dramatic everyone. I was not dating five
hundred people, but I was certainly I think you would
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agree Courtney known to be someone who dates a lot
of people. I enjoy human connections. Those types of things
would you agree.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Look, I mean but at the same time, totally okay
to work out what you want, and it's okay that
it takes a couple of you know people to work
that out.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Actually, we won't go into this story today, but I
reckon we'll do another sort of fun dating episode or
something in the future, because I went on a date
with someone that you also went on a date with,
which is hilarious.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, honestly, I swear to God, the world is smaller
and smaller and even small smaller when you're gay. But
this one's a very interesting story, which I hope we'll
talk about later.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Heaps of exciting things going on career wise, which is
great for me, and you know, possibly moving into a
new role. So while it's been obviously a really crazy,
change filled year, I think lots of really positive things
have happened for me as well, including this podcast, which
is probably one of the highlights of my year, and
finally getting this project out and working with my darling
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friend Courtney on it, and all the exciting things that
have happened through this little journey of starting coming out black.
So I think despite all of the downs of this year,
there've certainly been a lot of ups, which is really great.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
What about you, Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I mean even since the last couple of episodes we've
put out, you know, when else are we ever going
to have this much time to sit and just be
in our own thoughts and not distracted by different things
that the world brings on.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
A day to day basis.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
And I think because of that, I've been able to
really get to know myself. And it's really weird because like,
I feel like I always did know who I am,
but it almost took a minute to just like literally
just sit down and be still for a moment to
realize I haven't been myself quite a long time and
almost and you know, surrounding yourself with people that you
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know that make you just want to be the most
authentic version of yourself is something that I think, Yeah,
I've started to do and I feel.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Really really good about it.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
But yeah, heaps of stuff happening despite being stuck in
the cell whole of Melbourne. But hopefully we'll get out
of here soon. But yeah, like heaps of stuff happening.
You know, I work in sport and it's still getting
played around the country at the moment, so plenty on.
There's been heaps of other little additional opportunities that have
come from doing the podcast. We've made a few more
connections with different people. It's just been really cool. I've
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sort of gotten to work on a few different little
side projects, which has been really sweet. So just keeping
myself relatively busy, but realizing that and also learning the
practice of self care and taking a moment and that
you don't always have to be on the run. So yeah,
and this podcast has been a huge part of that
that learning, And yeah, I'm really thankful that we said
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this night and keen to see where it keeps going.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, same totally.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Well, I actually took it upon myself to grab a
few I don't know if you would call them stats
or something, but just a little bits and pieces that
I thought were nice to sort of share back about
since Coming Out Black has officially started. So, as most
of you will know if you sort of know the
journey of the podcast, I started sort of like the
online platform and had the idea for a podcast quite
a while before we actually ended up launching Coming Out Black,
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but we didn't actually finally get the fall officially rolling
and have a name change to the Facebook, the Facebook
and the Instagram that I was running until my darling,
Courtney came on board with us and we changed our
name to Coming Out Black and started doing all those things.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
So since releasing our.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
First official episode on the twenty ninth of May this year,
we've reached over a thousand followers. I think at the
moment we have like oney two hundred and eighty eight
or something last time I checked, which is so wonderful
to see such a large community of queer black people,
but also allies as well, and people who want to
support the journey and the stories that we're sharing on
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our platform, which is cool. We've had over two thousand
people tune in and listen to the podcast, which is
really awesome, especially because we don't really have like a
whole heap of episodes out at the moment. And then
we've also of course had different people come on the podcast,
like JoJo's Ahoe. We've had you know, trans individuals, We've
had indigenous queer academics, like so many awesome people who
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are outside the experience of both me and you, Court
and that's been a wonderful part to bring to the
podcast as well. Those those additional experiences that aren't just ours,
which has been awesome for me.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, you love to see it.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Hey, Like just even the just honing in on that
message that you know, queerness and blackness is so intersectional,
and you know, I think all of us we are
such intersectional, intersectional beings and it's got to celebrate on that.
Let's celebrate this on this podcast, but also you know,
teach people thing or two because I think we all
have preconceived ideas of you know, what it means to
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be in the LGBTQI community, or what it means to
be in the indigenous community, or.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
What it means to be in both.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
So yeah, I've been really really happy with the stories
we've been out to tell, and I know that there
are plenty more coming around the corner as well.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
So yeah, on that point of like having different opinions
and diverse experience has sort of explored through both the
online community and the podcast. I actually took a few
screenshots of some notes that we've gotten throughout the year,
and I just wanted to sort of read them out.
I mean, of course we've both read them because they're
on the Instagram and we both run it, but share
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some of the really wonderful messages we've gotten through the year,
because like, it's just so wonderful to feel like you're
connecting with other people, and that's how you and I
became friends in the first place, called like you messaged
me on Instagram and so that I love what you're doing.
And it's so cool for me to come full circle
and have other people reaching out to us because they've
connected with something we've shared on the podcast or something
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we've shared on the Instagram.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
So I thought i'd just read a few them out.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, definitely, I think At the same time, I also
want to say thanks to the people that I've reached
out as well, Like I'm I'm a huge believer in
gratitude and that you know, it doesn't take anything out
of you to say thank you to let people know
that you really like what they're doing, because it almost
gives you something as well. So yeah, thank you so
much for these people that have messaged through and for
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those that have you know, liked our stuff and have
like resonated with what we're saying. Yeah, like I really
really appreciate it and know that, yeah, there's plenty more
to come and hopefully we can keep talking to you
as all.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, one hundred percent. So here's a few and I
probably won't read out sort of the Instagram handled for
just privacy purposes. But here's one that we got a
little while back, and it's a really long one and
it was so sweet. Absolutely made my day when I
read this message. So it says, okay, goodness, okay, okay, okay,
I'm only halfway through your first podcast episode and I've
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had to stop to message you as a vanilla latte
or RAGERI lesbian woman.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I literally feel so scene. I've always done.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I'm aboriginal but never identified because my parents shut it
down big time. My sexuality or coming out was a
huge non event when I was fifteen, and now I'm
married with a nine month old, so I'm very lucky
in that section of my life. But in the last
three months, I finally, after three years, made progress in
my family tracing, found my mob, built relationships with descendants
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of my ancestors, heard stories, learn't grown and now I'm
coming out black, which I thought was like, yes, bitch,
this is amazing. It says talking about being light skin
and having to come out as black often multiple times
a day, really resonated with me so much, especially because
this newfound knowledge and pride has me identifying with people
openly more than ever. Well when the nine month old
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actually lets me shower. I love indulging in a podcast
and I can't wait to continue listening to Coming Out Black.
Thank You Titters.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Oh absolutely, even though I read it, like even just
hearing it again, just yeah, makes a heart exploited a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Like that was amazing because I think probably both of
us Caught have felt like that at some point in
our time, like we saw something in the media or
we saw someone say something, we're just like, oh, yes,
like you absolutely hit the nail on the head. I
feel just like that. So it was really cool to
see other pale skin, indigenous queer women identifying with some
of the things that we've said.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
So that was really cool.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yeah, definitely, it's great to have something that's so cathartic,
I think in a lot of ways, which was essentially
how I felt when I saw your page. I was like, oh, man, like,
this is such a minority of a minority. But at
the same time, it's not like I feel like being
indigenous and queer has a lot of different community involved
around it as well, and I'm finding that it's not
as small as we all thought it was, which I
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guess sort of really highlights the message that, yeah, like,
we aren't alone in this, and you know, we have
a lot of people behind us who are also allies,
and it feels really special to really feel seen, I think,
and that's all we want to do at the end
of the day, is just just let people know that
they're not alone and that we see them for the
amazing people that they are. And it is great to
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connect with people that do have the same or similar
circumstances of living or have experienced the same sort of things.
But yeah, there was there another one that you've got
to read out as well.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
There certainly is. Well, there's another one.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
But also I went back and I screenshotted your first
message to me, which I thought would also be so
sweet to read out. Do you want me to read
it out or do you want to?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Do you want me to?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
All right, here we go. This was the fifth of
April twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
For some reason, I thought we e went earlier, which
is funny anyway, But it feels like a lifetime now,
doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Okay, home atiker.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I don't usually message people out of the blue like this,
but I wanted to say thanks for what you're doing
and I hope you keep pushing forward as a proud,
lighter skin, abriginal and lesbian woman. I really resonate with
your story and want to thank you for creating this
unique community.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
It could be.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Really isolating thinking you're the only one who struggles with
the complexity of your identity, heritage and sexuality. So I'm
glad you created this and I hope it reaches others
who they need it to.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
And you know what it did, It did reach other people,
you know, And now I look.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
At that, Oh, that is pretty cool to see.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
How you know, we've formed a friendship out of that,
and you know we've been able to we've been able
to forge this this little family or little community out
of that, and that's pretty special to me. I still
have I still chat with some of the guests that
they have been on the podcast so far, like Ryan
and and we're constantly talking about different things, and if
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we can tell as many stories as we can, I
think we're going to be able to hopefully just just
get that representation out there and really change the way
other people see this community, I think as well, and
have people's stories heard because they really need to be heard.
At the end of the day, if I didn't see
your page, I don't like honestly, it would be like
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I can't even a fathom not where I'd be at
the moment, And I don't know if I would be
scatting along or if I would be as confident as
I am now about talking about my sexuality and things
like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I remember when we first started chatting and doing recordings
for the podcast. It was always that little, that funny
moment at the start where I would make you talk
about dating or I would make you give me an
update on something. And we've had these conversations sort of
off I don't know, off camera, off the podcast as
well about like you know, I usually don't identify so openly,
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is what you've told me. And I think stepping up
to the plate and being sort of the voice that
you didn't necessarily have, even though sometimes that is uncomfortable,
has been like a really awesome thing that I've seen
from someone I hold so dearly to meet you in
terms of being my friend, Like that's been really cool.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, Like it is really sweet, and I think almost
i've kind of now that I've gone the other sort
of end of the spectrum, I think I've sort of
found people in my circles like have just started planning
the seed that they're gay, or like people have told
me that actually, this girl that dating has said that
I make her feel a lot more comfortable being out
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and things like that, because I'm so comfortable with it,
and she's she's from a background where like it wasn't
necessarily the easiest thing for her, So like things like
that is pretty cool, because like, at the end.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Of the day, you sort of want to like be
the person that you needed.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
And I hope that like just just by us doing
what we're doing, we sort of create that that feeling
of comfortness and know that we're here to support anyone
in there coming out journey and things like that, or
even just being out because that comes with many different experiences.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
And yeah, but also don't try and jump over what
you just said. For those of you who have listened
to Phebe's episodes and updates about Sunshine, I would like
you to confirm with everyone that you are now dating Sunshine.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
And I am so happy because I love love.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Oh yeah, you just said it.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
You just said it.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
She has a good egg, very very lucky.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
It's one of those things I think, and I think
I've said that, like almost to every point that you said,
like definitely definitely a person that you you.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Want to be with.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I feel like I don't usually go for for women
like her, Like she's very very nice. This is bad,
but she's a very naturally nice person, someone that I
would think I'm not worthy of. And I'm really glad
of the but I took that personal journey before that
that I felt like, you know, now I feel worthy
to take that leap, and I'm really really glad that
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I have. I feel yeah, very loved. It's a very
good time.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Yes, yeah, that's so good.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I'm glad that you are with someone who is deserveed
you deserve because you're such a lovely human.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Oh thanks, back on track. I have two more little
messages to share.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Here's a short little one from someone who messaged us
and said thanks so much for creating a safe space
and for sharing your memories, which was really nice, and
they had just shared they were listening to one of
our episodes and their stories and were replied and were
just like, what's up. You're a legend, and they were like,
thanks so much for what you're doing. So that was awesome.
And then here's another one that I found that says, hey,
you guys are doing such amazing things. Your podcast has
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had me in stitches and also borderline tears and then
cry cry laugh face emoji, I'm hanging out for the
next episode. Absolutely love what you're doing for your community,
which is nice.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
And also between you and I and all of our lists,
that was a professional athlete. I won't say what they
do or.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
What, but I was a little bit chucked about that
one personally me too.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I was like, oh my god, this is another step
towards me being a wag.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yeah, I don't think you're going to catch that one.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
But I I mean, like, I can meet her friend,
and then she can introduce me to her other athlete friends,
and then I can find my wife.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
I'm just joking. I'm just joking. Okay, So those few
really lovely. How dare you put me on blasts like that?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I just want to date a fit girl who's like
an athlete and I can be impressed by. So if
you're one of those humans please reach out to me anyway,
So moving on.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
I thought it might be really nice.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I mean, I guess we've already gone over what we've
loved about the podcast and a little bit about this year,
but I kind of want to shift towards what we're
looking forward to in terms of next steps of coming
out black. What are you looking forward to in season
two and beyond and our little community that seems to
be growing caught.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, I think I'm just looking forward to seeing where
the conversation goes. You know, we've had a lot of
episodes that are sort of reactionary to two different things
that are happening in the world, So I'm interested to
see what twenty twenty one brings, or whenever we put
out the new season, not putting a date on it,
but I think I'm just also looking forward to the
different guests. I've sort of run into a few different
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ones over the social media platforms and really looking forward
to hearing what they have to say. And however one responds.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, absolutely, what about you, I think probably really similar stuff.
I'm looking forward to the conversations we're continuing to have.
So we've always said that we don't speak for the
entirety of Aboriginal Australia or Queer Australia and that we're
just two people who are sharing our experiences. And while
I love having those conversations between us, one of my
favorite things about the podcast has also been having those
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other opinions on the podcast. And so I know that
we're going to have episodes about like what it's like
being queer and black and living in regional Australia. I
know we're going to have episodes about what it's like
living with n STI and being black and queer and
all of those really incredible stories that we can't necessarily
speak to but are incredibly important for showing the diversity
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about community. So that's also something I'm so incredibly excited
to do.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
And if you are.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Listening and you have a story that you would like
to share, or you know someone who you think we
should highlight, absolutely get in touch. That's because the whole
point of this is sharing our opinion and sharing the
opinions of our community and highlighting those voices. So we
would really love for people to get in contact if
you do have a story that you want to share.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Absolutely, and I know we're in process of putting together
resources for people if they want want to access help
or need any support. And we're constantly learning of more
and more incredible organizations that are working with lgbt q
i A youth or adults or average on tour Straight Islanders,
or even just generic mainstream support services. And we're still
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in our early phases of this podcast and community, so
we're learning more and more about different individuals that are
doing some incredible stuff and that can offer a world
of support and stories for all of us to hear.
So yeah, feel free to also reach out and let
us know of anyone that we should be talking about.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
So I guess the important things to highlight about our
next season is I definitely feel in you feel the
same this small season because it's only going to be
about like what ten episodes or something by the time
we wrap up. This first season has really been us
figuring out what we want the show to look like,
how we're structuring things and changing and shifting how we
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want us to have these conversations and share information with everyone.
And season two, I think is going to be a
whole lot more streamlined, and I think we have a
really good idea of what we want the look and
feel of the podcast to be, like, and what kind
of people we want to link into those conversations and
how we want to have those conversations. So expect season
two to be a whole lot more sort of streamlined,
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and you'll tune into every episode and it'll be something
you're really used to hearing, and you'll know what to
expect from us, which is really great. What else should
they expect from season two?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
A story about how Ernie Dingo once saw me p
on side of the road. Yes, I'm saving that one
for season two.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
It cannot wait. Yeah, definitely. I think season two you're
also going to be able to get to know me
and Courtney a whole lot more. I know we've been
really raw and open with people already, but continuing to
dive more into our stories and who we are as
strong black queer women is something that will continue to
look through in different topics of the podcast as well.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
So if you have.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Any questions, I mean, like, I also want to do
things like live streams on Instagram and Facebook and stuff
where we can do live q and as and even
have people join us on the live q and as
and all sort of fun things like that that will
hopefully bring us and our listeners closer together and therefore
this little beautiful community that we're building.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Definitely, and then in the COVID free COVID normal world,
maybe more so easier for you to do at the
moment mitigau, but definitely us, you know, taking this from
the online world to in real life and working out
you know what that actually looks like, whether it's you know,
going out and meeting people or you know, getting everyone
together for you know, a couple.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
On a yard or whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
People.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Definitely to make those sort of plans in the near future.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Yeah, so Keen, all right, well.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I mean, thank you all so much for joining us
if you've met it this far, and you know, I
appreciate those who are even just listening to this podcast
listening to this episode randomly. It's been a really really
cool journey so far, and I'm really looking forward to
seeing what's next. If you have any feedback or want
to have you on to us, please feel free to
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reach out to us at coming Out Black Blaka on
Instagram or email us at coming Out Black at gmail
dot com.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Perfect, So expect season two to hit your lovely ears
sometime in December of this year, so you'll still have
something to listen to over the Christmas break where you're annoying,
Arnie is still there chatting to you about why you
haven't got a wife yet. You can tune out, you
can listen to the podcast during Christmas break, so we
look forward to chatting to you.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Then.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
We'll obviously still be really you know, all over Instagram
and chatting and sharing things as usual there, so we'll
chat to you there and we'll hear you here when
we launch season two of Coming Out Black Zeeru
Coming Out Black is an online community built to suport
and celebrate our first Nations mob in the LGBTQIA plus community.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
We've developed this podcast to share our stories and we
want you to join us for these conversations. This episode
is being released on Sunday, the eighth of November, the
start of nadog Weeek for twenty twenty. Coming Out Black
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wishes to acknowledge our elders, past, present and emerging for
the strength they bring and the knowledge they continue to hold.
This podcast is recorded and edited on unseated Aboriginal land
land our people have cared for for over sixty five
thousand years. To learn more about Nadocweek, go to www
dot NADOC dot org dot au or check out our
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Instagram at coming Out Black, where we'll be sharing NADOC
week specific content all week. This always was and always
will be Average in nor Land. Enjoyed this week's episode
and we look forward to chatting with you in season
two of Coming Out Black.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It's cool to be back.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I'm pretty pretty black pump to jump right into this
episode because it's all about us reflecting. We started this podcast, well,
the journey started last year. We actually took the leap
of faith put it out in May, and so much
has happened ever since, so pretty keen to jump into it.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I know me too.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I think this is a really exciting little episode to
sort of wrap up what I'm now calling sort of
season one of Coming Out Black and sort of then
almost doing like a mini relaunching to season two and
like some really exciting, fantastic things coming up for the podcast.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
And I know that you're just excited about that as
I am.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
So I think a little reflective episode is the perfect
thing to just set this season off.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
But firstly, how's your week?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Then? How have my week's been? Right?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
It's been a while since we did our little weekly update,
So since we last chatted, I've moved house, which is
exciting and I'm really loving it. It's a move building
my house. Beat's like lovely, She's really nice, so that's
great for me. I'm no longer dating like five hundred people.
That's I'm being dramatic everyone. I was not dating five
hundred people, but I was certainly I think you would
(02:25):
agree Courtney known to be someone who dates a lot
of people. I enjoy human connections. Those types of things
would you agree.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Look, I mean but at the same time, totally okay
to work out what you want, and it's okay that
it takes a couple of you know people to work
that out.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Actually, we won't go into this story today, but I
reckon we'll do another sort of fun dating episode or
something in the future, because I went on a date
with someone that you also went on a date with,
which is hilarious.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, honestly, I swear to God, the world is smaller
and smaller and even small smaller when you're gay. But
this one's a very interesting story, which I hope we'll
talk about later.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Heaps of exciting things going on career wise, which is
great for me, and you know, possibly moving into a
new role. So while it's been obviously a really crazy,
change filled year, I think lots of really positive things
have happened for me as well, including this podcast, which
is probably one of the highlights of my year, and
finally getting this project out and working with my darling
(03:28):
friend Courtney on it, and all the exciting things that
have happened through this little journey of starting coming out black.
So I think despite all of the downs of this year,
there've certainly been a lot of ups, which is really great.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
What about you, Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I mean even since the last couple of episodes we've
put out, you know, when else are we ever going
to have this much time to sit and just be
in our own thoughts and not distracted by different things
that the world brings on.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
A day to day basis.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
And I think because of that, I've been able to
really get to know myself. And it's really weird because like,
I feel like I always did know who I am,
but it almost took a minute to just like literally
just sit down and be still for a moment to
realize I haven't been myself quite a long time and
almost and you know, surrounding yourself with people that you
(04:14):
know that make you just want to be the most
authentic version of yourself is something that I think, Yeah,
I've started to do and I feel.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Really really good about it.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
But yeah, heaps of stuff happening despite being stuck in
the cell whole of Melbourne. But hopefully we'll get out
of here soon. But yeah, like heaps of stuff happening.
You know, I work in sport and it's still getting
played around the country at the moment, so plenty on.
There's been heaps of other little additional opportunities that have
come from doing the podcast. We've made a few more
connections with different people. It's just been really cool. I've
(04:46):
sort of gotten to work on a few different little
side projects, which has been really sweet. So just keeping
myself relatively busy, but realizing that and also learning the
practice of self care and taking a moment and that
you don't always have to be on the run. So yeah,
and this podcast has been a huge part of that
that learning, And yeah, I'm really thankful that we said
(05:07):
this night and keen to see where it keeps going.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, same totally.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Well, I actually took it upon myself to grab a
few I don't know if you would call them stats
or something, but just a little bits and pieces that
I thought were nice to sort of share back about
since Coming Out Black has officially started. So, as most
of you will know if you sort of know the
journey of the podcast, I started sort of like the
online platform and had the idea for a podcast quite
a while before we actually ended up launching Coming Out Black,
(05:34):
but we didn't actually finally get the fall officially rolling
and have a name change to the Facebook, the Facebook
and the Instagram that I was running until my darling,
Courtney came on board with us and we changed our
name to Coming Out Black and started doing all those things.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
So since releasing our.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
First official episode on the twenty ninth of May this year,
we've reached over a thousand followers. I think at the
moment we have like oney two hundred and eighty eight
or something last time I checked, which is so wonderful
to see such a large community of queer black people,
but also allies as well, and people who want to
support the journey and the stories that we're sharing on
(06:09):
our platform, which is cool. We've had over two thousand
people tune in and listen to the podcast, which is
really awesome, especially because we don't really have like a
whole heap of episodes out at the moment. And then
we've also of course had different people come on the podcast,
like JoJo's Ahoe. We've had you know, trans individuals, We've
had indigenous queer academics, like so many awesome people who
(06:30):
are outside the experience of both me and you, Court
and that's been a wonderful part to bring to the
podcast as well. Those those additional experiences that aren't just ours,
which has been awesome for me.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, you love to see it.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Hey, Like just even the just honing in on that
message that you know, queerness and blackness is so intersectional,
and you know, I think all of us we are
such intersectional, intersectional beings and it's got to celebrate on that.
Let's celebrate this on this podcast, but also you know,
teach people thing or two because I think we all
have preconceived ideas of you know, what it means to
(07:04):
be in the LGBTQI community, or what it means to
be in the indigenous community, or.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
What it means to be in both.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
So yeah, I've been really really happy with the stories
we've been out to tell, and I know that there
are plenty more coming around the corner as well.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
So yeah, on that point of like having different opinions
and diverse experience has sort of explored through both the
online community and the podcast. I actually took a few
screenshots of some notes that we've gotten throughout the year,
and I just wanted to sort of read them out.
I mean, of course we've both read them because they're
on the Instagram and we both run it, but share
(07:36):
some of the really wonderful messages we've gotten through the year,
because like, it's just so wonderful to feel like you're
connecting with other people, and that's how you and I
became friends in the first place, called like you messaged
me on Instagram and so that I love what you're doing.
And it's so cool for me to come full circle
and have other people reaching out to us because they've
connected with something we've shared on the podcast or something
(07:57):
we've shared on the Instagram.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
So I thought i'd just read a few them out.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, definitely, I think At the same time, I also
want to say thanks to the people that I've reached
out as well, Like I'm I'm a huge believer in
gratitude and that you know, it doesn't take anything out
of you to say thank you to let people know
that you really like what they're doing, because it almost
gives you something as well. So yeah, thank you so
much for these people that have messaged through and for
(08:21):
those that have you know, liked our stuff and have
like resonated with what we're saying. Yeah, like I really
really appreciate it and know that, yeah, there's plenty more
to come and hopefully we can keep talking to you
as all.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, one hundred percent. So here's a few and I
probably won't read out sort of the Instagram handled for
just privacy purposes. But here's one that we got a
little while back, and it's a really long one and
it was so sweet. Absolutely made my day when I
read this message. So it says, okay, goodness, okay, okay, okay,
I'm only halfway through your first podcast episode and I've
(08:54):
had to stop to message you as a vanilla latte
or RAGERI lesbian woman.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I literally feel so scene. I've always done.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I'm aboriginal but never identified because my parents shut it
down big time. My sexuality or coming out was a
huge non event when I was fifteen, and now I'm
married with a nine month old, so I'm very lucky
in that section of my life. But in the last
three months, I finally, after three years, made progress in
my family tracing, found my mob, built relationships with descendants
(09:22):
of my ancestors, heard stories, learn't grown and now I'm
coming out black, which I thought was like, yes, bitch,
this is amazing. It says talking about being light skin
and having to come out as black often multiple times
a day, really resonated with me so much, especially because
this newfound knowledge and pride has me identifying with people
openly more than ever. Well when the nine month old
(09:43):
actually lets me shower. I love indulging in a podcast
and I can't wait to continue listening to Coming Out Black.
Thank You Titters.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Oh absolutely, even though I read it, like even just
hearing it again, just yeah, makes a heart exploited a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Like that was amazing because I think probably both of
us Caught have felt like that at some point in
our time, like we saw something in the media or
we saw someone say something, we're just like, oh, yes,
like you absolutely hit the nail on the head. I
feel just like that. So it was really cool to
see other pale skin, indigenous queer women identifying with some
of the things that we've said.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
So that was really cool.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yeah, definitely, it's great to have something that's so cathartic,
I think in a lot of ways, which was essentially
how I felt when I saw your page. I was like, oh, man, like,
this is such a minority of a minority. But at
the same time, it's not like I feel like being
indigenous and queer has a lot of different community involved
around it as well, and I'm finding that it's not
as small as we all thought it was, which I
(10:41):
guess sort of really highlights the message that, yeah, like,
we aren't alone in this, and you know, we have
a lot of people behind us who are also allies,
and it feels really special to really feel seen, I think,
and that's all we want to do at the end
of the day, is just just let people know that
they're not alone and that we see them for the
amazing people that they are. And it is great to
(11:04):
connect with people that do have the same or similar
circumstances of living or have experienced the same sort of things.
But yeah, there was there another one that you've got
to read out as well.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
There certainly is. Well, there's another one.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
But also I went back and I screenshotted your first
message to me, which I thought would also be so
sweet to read out. Do you want me to read
it out or do you want to?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Do you want me to?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
All right, here we go. This was the fifth of
April twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
For some reason, I thought we e went earlier, which
is funny anyway, But it feels like a lifetime now,
doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Okay, home atiker.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I don't usually message people out of the blue like this,
but I wanted to say thanks for what you're doing
and I hope you keep pushing forward as a proud,
lighter skin, abriginal and lesbian woman. I really resonate with
your story and want to thank you for creating this
unique community.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
It could be.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Really isolating thinking you're the only one who struggles with
the complexity of your identity, heritage and sexuality. So I'm
glad you created this and I hope it reaches others
who they need it to.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
And you know what it did, It did reach other people,
you know, And now I look.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
At that, Oh, that is pretty cool to see.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
How you know, we've formed a friendship out of that,
and you know we've been able to we've been able
to forge this this little family or little community out
of that, and that's pretty special to me. I still
have I still chat with some of the guests that
they have been on the podcast so far, like Ryan
and and we're constantly talking about different things, and if
(12:35):
we can tell as many stories as we can, I
think we're going to be able to hopefully just just
get that representation out there and really change the way
other people see this community, I think as well, and
have people's stories heard because they really need to be heard.
At the end of the day, if I didn't see
your page, I don't like honestly, it would be like
(12:57):
I can't even a fathom not where I'd be at
the moment, And I don't know if I would be
scatting along or if I would be as confident as
I am now about talking about my sexuality and things
like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I remember when we first started chatting and doing recordings
for the podcast. It was always that little, that funny
moment at the start where I would make you talk
about dating or I would make you give me an
update on something. And we've had these conversations sort of
off I don't know, off camera, off the podcast as
well about like you know, I usually don't identify so openly,
(13:29):
is what you've told me. And I think stepping up
to the plate and being sort of the voice that
you didn't necessarily have, even though sometimes that is uncomfortable,
has been like a really awesome thing that I've seen
from someone I hold so dearly to meet you in
terms of being my friend, Like that's been really cool.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, Like it is really sweet, and I think almost
i've kind of now that I've gone the other sort
of end of the spectrum, I think I've sort of
found people in my circles like have just started planning
the seed that they're gay, or like people have told
me that actually, this girl that dating has said that
I make her feel a lot more comfortable being out
(14:04):
and things like that, because I'm so comfortable with it,
and she's she's from a background where like it wasn't
necessarily the easiest thing for her, So like things like
that is pretty cool, because like, at the end.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Of the day, you sort of want to like be
the person that you needed.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
And I hope that like just just by us doing
what we're doing, we sort of create that that feeling
of comfortness and know that we're here to support anyone
in there coming out journey and things like that, or
even just being out because that comes with many different experiences.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
And yeah, but also don't try and jump over what
you just said. For those of you who have listened
to Phebe's episodes and updates about Sunshine, I would like
you to confirm with everyone that you are now dating Sunshine.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
And I am so happy because I love love.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Oh yeah, you just said it.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
You just said it.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
She has a good egg, very very lucky.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
It's one of those things I think, and I think
I've said that, like almost to every point that you said,
like definitely definitely a person that you you.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Want to be with.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I feel like I don't usually go for for women
like her, Like she's very very nice. This is bad,
but she's a very naturally nice person, someone that I
would think I'm not worthy of. And I'm really glad
of the but I took that personal journey before that
that I felt like, you know, now I feel worthy
to take that leap, and I'm really really glad that
(15:31):
I have. I feel yeah, very loved. It's a very
good time.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Yes, yeah, that's so good.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I'm glad that you are with someone who is deserveed
you deserve because you're such a lovely human.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Oh thanks, back on track. I have two more little
messages to share.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Here's a short little one from someone who messaged us
and said thanks so much for creating a safe space
and for sharing your memories, which was really nice, and
they had just shared they were listening to one of
our episodes and their stories and were replied and were
just like, what's up. You're a legend, and they were like,
thanks so much for what you're doing. So that was awesome.
And then here's another one that I found that says, hey,
you guys are doing such amazing things. Your podcast has
(16:13):
had me in stitches and also borderline tears and then
cry cry laugh face emoji, I'm hanging out for the
next episode. Absolutely love what you're doing for your community,
which is nice.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
And also between you and I and all of our lists,
that was a professional athlete. I won't say what they
do or.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
What, but I was a little bit chucked about that
one personally me too.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I was like, oh my god, this is another step
towards me being a wag.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yeah, I don't think you're going to catch that one.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
But I I mean, like, I can meet her friend,
and then she can introduce me to her other athlete friends,
and then I can find my wife.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
I'm just joking. I'm just joking. Okay, So those few
really lovely. How dare you put me on blasts like that?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I just want to date a fit girl who's like
an athlete and I can be impressed by. So if
you're one of those humans please reach out to me anyway,
So moving on.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
I thought it might be really nice.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I mean, I guess we've already gone over what we've
loved about the podcast and a little bit about this year,
but I kind of want to shift towards what we're
looking forward to in terms of next steps of coming
out black. What are you looking forward to in season
two and beyond and our little community that seems to
be growing caught.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, I think I'm just looking forward to seeing where
the conversation goes. You know, we've had a lot of
episodes that are sort of reactionary to two different things
that are happening in the world, So I'm interested to
see what twenty twenty one brings, or whenever we put
out the new season, not putting a date on it,
but I think I'm just also looking forward to the
different guests. I've sort of run into a few different
(17:55):
ones over the social media platforms and really looking forward
to hearing what they have to say. And however one responds.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, absolutely, what about you, I think probably really similar stuff.
I'm looking forward to the conversations we're continuing to have.
So we've always said that we don't speak for the
entirety of Aboriginal Australia or Queer Australia and that we're
just two people who are sharing our experiences. And while
I love having those conversations between us, one of my
favorite things about the podcast has also been having those
(18:26):
other opinions on the podcast. And so I know that
we're going to have episodes about like what it's like
being queer and black and living in regional Australia. I
know we're going to have episodes about what it's like
living with n STI and being black and queer and
all of those really incredible stories that we can't necessarily
speak to but are incredibly important for showing the diversity
(18:47):
about community. So that's also something I'm so incredibly excited
to do.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
And if you are.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Listening and you have a story that you would like
to share, or you know someone who you think we
should highlight, absolutely get in touch. That's because the whole
point of this is sharing our opinion and sharing the
opinions of our community and highlighting those voices. So we
would really love for people to get in contact if
you do have a story that you want to share.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Absolutely, and I know we're in process of putting together
resources for people if they want want to access help
or need any support. And we're constantly learning of more
and more incredible organizations that are working with lgbt q
i A youth or adults or average on tour Straight Islanders,
or even just generic mainstream support services. And we're still
(19:35):
in our early phases of this podcast and community, so
we're learning more and more about different individuals that are
doing some incredible stuff and that can offer a world
of support and stories for all of us to hear.
So yeah, feel free to also reach out and let
us know of anyone that we should be talking about.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
So I guess the important things to highlight about our
next season is I definitely feel in you feel the
same this small season because it's only going to be
about like what ten episodes or something by the time
we wrap up. This first season has really been us
figuring out what we want the show to look like,
how we're structuring things and changing and shifting how we
(20:14):
want us to have these conversations and share information with everyone.
And season two, I think is going to be a
whole lot more streamlined, and I think we have a
really good idea of what we want the look and
feel of the podcast to be, like, and what kind
of people we want to link into those conversations and
how we want to have those conversations. So expect season
two to be a whole lot more sort of streamlined,
(20:34):
and you'll tune into every episode and it'll be something
you're really used to hearing, and you'll know what to
expect from us, which is really great. What else should
they expect from season two?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
A story about how Ernie Dingo once saw me p
on side of the road. Yes, I'm saving that one
for season two.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
It cannot wait. Yeah, definitely. I think season two you're
also going to be able to get to know me
and Courtney a whole lot more. I know we've been
really raw and open with people already, but continuing to
dive more into our stories and who we are as
strong black queer women is something that will continue to
look through in different topics of the podcast as well.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
So if you have.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Any questions, I mean, like, I also want to do
things like live streams on Instagram and Facebook and stuff
where we can do live q and as and even
have people join us on the live q and as
and all sort of fun things like that that will
hopefully bring us and our listeners closer together and therefore
this little beautiful community that we're building.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Definitely, and then in the COVID free COVID normal world,
maybe more so easier for you to do at the
moment mitigau, but definitely us, you know, taking this from
the online world to in real life and working out
you know what that actually looks like, whether it's you know,
going out and meeting people or you know, getting everyone
together for you know, a couple.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
On a yard or whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
People.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Definitely to make those sort of plans in the near future.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Yeah, so Keen, all right, well.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I mean, thank you all so much for joining us
if you've met it this far, and you know, I
appreciate those who are even just listening to this podcast
listening to this episode randomly. It's been a really really
cool journey so far, and I'm really looking forward to
seeing what's next. If you have any feedback or want
to have you on to us, please feel free to
(22:21):
reach out to us at coming Out Black Blaka on
Instagram or email us at coming Out Black at gmail
dot com.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Perfect, So expect season two to hit your lovely ears
sometime in December of this year, so you'll still have
something to listen to over the Christmas break where you're annoying,
Arnie is still there chatting to you about why you
haven't got a wife yet. You can tune out, you
can listen to the podcast during Christmas break, so we
look forward to chatting to you.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Then.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
We'll obviously still be really you know, all over Instagram
and chatting and sharing things as usual there, so we'll
chat to you there and we'll hear you here when
we launch season two of Coming Out Black Zeeru
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