October 15, 2025 • 32 mins
We're celebrating100 episodes of Double A Chattery — a milestone that feels both like yesterday and a lifetime in the making. In this special “Ask Us Anything” edition, we answer your questions that range from the heartfelt to the hilarious: how our friendship began (hint: it involves a kilt and ballroom dancing), what we've learned about privacy and vulnerability, and why feedback hits us each very differently.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This podcast is for general information only and should not
be taken as psychological advice. Listeners should consult with their
healthcare professionals for specific medical advice.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello. I'm Amanda Keller and I'm Anita McGregor, and welcome
to Double a Chattering.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Welcome to our hundredth episode, one hundred episodes.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
What does that say to you, Anita, What do you
think of when you think of something that's got one
hundred episodes?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
It just like, in some ways it feels as though
we just started doing this yesterday, and there's this other
piece of me that feels as though we've been doing
this forever.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
And working in the media. I know that a hundred
is a big number. If you can reach a hundred
in any form of anything you're doing in the media,
that's a success story in the days where things come
and go and chop and change. I'm really proud of us, Anita,
that we've done a hundred, But this is with the
help of our teacups. Thank you for all the support
and the love you've given us, and their feedback and
(01:09):
the stuff you want to know and the story ideas.
It's helped us reach one hundred, and thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, I just I feel wonderfully supported by our teacups
and by you, Amanda, because this has been a journey
where I just I was really uncertain about what it
would look like and you were such a lovely guide.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Well, thank you. That's how used past tense it was done.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, Alissa, our producer has given us this incredible cake
to celebrate one hundred. There's colors in there you don't
see in nature, that's the great thing about that, but
to see them in my God before too long, Thank you,
thank you. The podcast came about because you and I
go on a daily walk, not as often these days
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because I try and head down to the South coast
and often with you with me Anita, when I can
get a chance to get away. Life at homes tricky
with cares in the house and things, so if I
can get away for a breather, I will. But also,
you've moved away from being my next door neighbor pretty much,
so we still try and go out of our way
to meet each other for a weekend walk, but we
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don't do both days. We used to do Saturday and Sunday.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Didn't we Well, it really depended on our schedules.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
And our hips, yes, and our hangovers, all of that, all.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Of that, but it's I really love that. I really
cherish our walks and I think that that has That
was actually one of the biggest worries when we moved,
was was that going to continue? And I think that
we've actually been able to manage that situation generally pretty well.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I think so too, And so all the stuff that
we talk about on our walks, I thought, gos, that'd
make an interesting podcast, and so I'm glad that Double
a Chattery was born from that. And to celebrate one hundred,
we've asked you to ask us anything, and I must
find you out. I'm so impressed by the caliber of
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the questions that have come through. What emotional, smart, loving
people you are, and thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I've really enjoyed it. And some of them were real
head scratchers too, about thinking about how how would I
answer this? How do I feel about some of the.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Question nuclear medicine and your role in splitting the atom.
I thought i'd put that one over to you.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
We're not supposed to have this much shop silence.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Sorry, that's the longest we've ever gone without talking. Was
that moment of silence? Just then hmm, all right, well,
let's just pick a couple and make our way through
the ask me anythings? What do you reckon?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Oh? Lass? Should we just start with that first question?
To do it from Janine cunning House, who who's asks
about what we get from doing the podcast, and I'm
assuming doing it together?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
You know what I get from it from the minute that,
as I said earlier, than when we go for a
walk and I'll throw up a topic, or you'll throw
up a topic, but it'll be something that has been
in the news or something I've read, and you always
have something smart, empathetic and meaningful.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
To say about it, and really funny.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And empathetic and meaningful. And I've always that's what I
get from it, is that I get other people to
share from you what I get from you. And the
other beat to that is that I do a daily
radio show. I have other forms of media. I do
television and things, but this is a very different form.
(04:50):
This touches on topics that aren't conducive necessarily to breakfast radio,
or if they are, we have longer to talk about them.
And sometimes these are topics that it might have come
up on breakfast radio, but I can say, Anita, what
do you think about this? And we can deep dive
on something. So I get my my itch scratched of
wanting something metea from my broadcasting, and I get that
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from this podcast. So over to you, Anita. I I'm beautiful.
No one's asked a question, why are you so beautiful?
I know I've written it for myself. I'll ask it later.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
That's the next questions.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
What you get nuclear medicine? I get ways, and yeah,
that's good.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Good for me. It's been this lovely, tiny glimpse into
your world.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Oh, in that.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
You know, I hear often about, well, I watch you
in your life where you're always kind of gleaning for
interesting topics. You're always thinking about what you're going to
be talking in the morning about in the morning, and you're,
you know, every day that you're on the radio. And
what a delightful challenge you know like it. I never
hear you speaking about it as being a grind and
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and what it's been like to go and think about
the different topics that we can talk about and what
would actually make for what we hope is a good podcast,
and those kinds of things. I've been so, you know,
I mentioned it just now, But just so grateful to
be guided by your smart head about about this whole
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idea about what media is. And I have been such
a private person in for most of my life based
on you know, because of what I've done witness protection,
midness protection, no, but just being a psychologist and living
a more private life. Is that this has been. It
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feels like a really safe foray into this world.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
So nice appreciate. I've loved too, is that the way
you and I have tried to come up with topics
that I glean a whole lot of stuff that that
you you don't read through, and then you bring to
the table something from a psychology magazine, something from an
ethical dilemma you've read about. I think it's an interesting
combination of our two worlds. Yeah, As to the stuff
that we bring to the table, absolutely, it's been. It's
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been such a fun thing. And sometimes you know, when
we're walking, we just we just lose it, you know,
as we're you know, talking about bladders, bladders, yes, and
thinking about what we can you know, how we would
bring you know, and there are some things that we
would never bring as a podcast that we talk about.
But man, it's just it's been really fun to kind
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of find our way through that path. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
The next question is from Cheryl Mason, who asked about
how we met. What is your memory of how we met?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
You know, I remember Emmett in a kilt. I went
through the stones in Outland or I remember, so you
have a this is my memory because you saw me
on Telly before you met me. Yes, that's right. But
I first met you. I was a patron of a
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charity for the children's hospital, that's right. And I had
booked a table and that's I think where I first
met you, because we had a mutual friend and Emmett
wore a killed and I thought how striking. And then yes,
I met you too there, but and maybe i'd met
you a bit earlier, but that's where I think we
started to single each other out.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, And it was it was I remember. I remember
that that charity event, and I remember us having some
great conversations and thinking it was really interesting and you know,
I'd never been to a charity event like that and
it was so interesting. And then we laughed and there
was all these people who were whispering next to us,
(08:50):
going that's Amanda Caller and me going, yeah, you know,
like because I didn't have the context for how you're
seen in Australian culture.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
You didn't even genuflect. And I was a little bit annoyed.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Well i've since then, yeah I have, thank you learned
how to do that.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
But you saw me on TV in the weirdest of circumstances.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
It was very strange because I had we had just
moved to to Cougie, and we'd had the all the
furniture and everything delivered, and I'd spent like a week
going and a couple of days going and putting everything
away and getting the kids into school and doing all
this stuff, this very new stuff, and I didn't know
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a soul and I was sore, and I went to
go and get a massage from our mutual friend now Jackie,
and you didn't know her, but I did not know her.
And I was saying that new in the community, and
and she said, well, I'm I'm hosting this little soiree,
you know, to go and watch my friend on TV.
And I was thinking, that's kind of weird. And I
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remember going to Emmett saying, I don't I don't know
how I feel about this, but I don't know anybody,
so maybe I'll just go and and I remember going
to her place and a few of our actually still
friends were there, and and Jackie was dressed up in
an outfit that was like, I think all drapes or something,
and it was just this bizarre gown. Yeah, it was
(10:16):
just this surreal evening, and I was like, I don't
know what I've gotten myself into. And then and then
there was that event, and then I think I don't
think that we've actually stopped.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Talking ever since or dancing, Anita, you very kindly have
never bought up my ballroom dancing or my charcha or
my whatever the other things I've blacked out, you know
how like men in Black they come up to and
they press that memory. But it's that's what I've done.
I went back years later to host the show, and
I loved that. They call that the Flying the Shiny
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Floor Show or the Fliny Shore Show as I like
to call it. Absolutely why I'm good on TV. But
there's a real skill set that I've that I didn't have.
That I loved learning on a big live show.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
So you liked that better than the natural downce.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I like so much more being in control than being
a floundering fool. Go figure, Go figure, go figure. Yeah,
all right, so what else have we got here? Let
me have a look how about this one? Are there
any topics this is from Kerry Chriswill. Are there any
topics that you've agreed not to discuss?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
The only one that I can think of, Amanda, is
the around the topic of Harley is that that is
our private conversation. That is, I would never I can't
imagine that I would ever raise that topic as part
of our podcast. That's your that's your information.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
One of the first podcasts we did was you and
Me and Harley talking about his diagnosis, even though he'd
been diagnosed a few years before that with Parkinson's, and
he's sort of got the ugly cousin to Parkinson's. If
Parkinson's is horrendous enough, so it's tricky to share a
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lot of it. But what I like about what we
do here is it if it comes up when we're
talking about relationships or talking about Glimmers or talking about
my sons, that's part of the conversation. But you have
never said, Hey, why don't we talk about what happened
with Harley on the weekend, or why don't we talk
about how you feel about so and so? You've never
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put it on the table, and really neither of If
it comes up naturally, it comes up naturally. But that
probably is the only thing, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I can't really think about.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Because you and I are very good with our own
private cones of silence. If friends tell us something in private,
we don't share that stuff. And if you and I
discuss something in private, we have enough knowledge of each
other to know what's chattable and what isn't I think?
I think so too. You've never trodden on my toes.
I'd like to have I ever trodden on yours. Don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I can't remember a time where we haven't been really
respectful of each other's. Oh, our little vulnerabilities are a little. Yeah,
our private conversations, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Having said that, we do mine an enormous amount from
the stupidity of our lives.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Ain't that the truth?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
This is an interesting one from Kathy Booth. Are there
things that you totally and strongly disagree on and how
do you navigate that within your friendship?
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I think on some of the like most of the
big topics. I think that we are a pretty sympatic girl.
Our favorite spice girls say yeah, uh huh, that's where.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
You were going with that.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
That's where exactly where I was going without I don't
think I could name them, but I think that the
biggest difference in how we approach the world is around feedback.
And that's actually something that I've discovered through the podcast
is that I am like I love feedback. I love
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giving feedback. I love getting feedback. I teach master classes
on feedback at UNI. I do all these things and
you don't.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Like it, well, I'm happy for people for guidance, and
I say that hand on heart if someone. I often
say to our bosses, Hey, if you want this to
go differently, please just tell me. I'd rather know. But
I can't read personal feedback from the raw social media stuff.
I have to protect myself from us. I can't talk
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for three hours a day. But I remember when I
wrote my book and I said to you, and you
said I'd like to read it, and I said sure,
and you said what form do you want the feedback?
And I went, I'm what, and we both kind of
and that's when I thought, you have a different approach
to things, and I think I was. I it's such
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a t dramatic experience, not traumatic, it's a difficult spirit form. Well,
that's the what I'm looking for. So it wasn't like
I'd been said an assignment, so.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I was going to market. I had my rad pad in.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Everything was in your world of with students and things.
That's a big part of your world. It's a huge part,
and for a lot of people in the media it's
a big part as well. Choosing to look at every
bit of feedback. I'm too delicate to take a lot
of it on board because I would just collapse under
the weight of it. For broad brushstrokes of how people
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want this podcast to go, I'd be happy for feedback
people who want my radio work to go, TV shows,
even just filming the piano again, which we're doing now.
I'd say to the executive producers, Hey, if you want
me to do this differently, please say so. And I
absolutely mean that, because it's hey, let's just amend the
words here, let's just change this a little bit. I'm
completely open to all of that, but the personal stuff
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I just find too hard.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, So I think that's probably character wise. I think
that's probably our biggest difference.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, but is your world of feedback personal, because this
media world of feedback is personal?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Uh, good question. Yes, I mean what I find, like
if I was teaching about like if I was teaching engineering,
I mean, you know, the bridge holds up or it doesn't.
It's not a really personal thing. But when I give
feedback about somebody in the room with a client with
you know, one of my students in the room with
a client, is really hard not for that student not
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to take it personally.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
But also what you do is you ask students I
find this extraordinary to say, it's almost like rate my teaching. Yep, God, yeah,
I could never be that vulnerable. And I have a system,
you know that we have a monitoring where when I
see a client, I ask them how they found the sesshion,
Like I find that that is one you know, when
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you get that trust and and somebody actually telling you
we didn't talk about the things that I wanted to
talk about, or you know, I didn't like it when
you did that, Like that is so helpful, and you
know it would actually be It's one of those things
that keep people in the room is when they can
actually tell you the things that when you're doing well
or when there's something that you can change. And why
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wouldn't I because considering my whole job is reliant on ratings,
He's me saying, don't give me any feedback. Quite extraordinary,
All right, extraordinarily stupid, But there it is. How about
this one? This one's from Julie Lee. My question is
about crying aman who seemed to be a crier. Absolutely, Anita,
you're not. And then she says maybe as I get older.
(17:43):
She says, I feel like crying, and I'm trying to
let myself not hide it as society suggests we should.
Sad news, movies, proud parents. What are your thoughts on this?
And are you okay with showing emotions? I blab, blob, blab,
go the blob. That's the word I'm looking for. I
struggle with my vowels. I go the blob at the
drop of a hat. And I hadn't even about you.
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It hadn't even occurred to me, Anita, I really see
you cry.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
It's you know. I had a conversation the other day
with somebody who's crying, and they were very embarrassed that
they were in crying in front of me, And I
actually said it would be a goal for me to
actually cry more, because I've had thirty some years of
listening to clients and some really hard stuff, and I
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have worked very hard at kind of holding that back.
So I don't know whether by my nature I'm a
crier or not, but I actually really it would be
a goal for me to go and cry more, to'd
be more vulnerable. And now that I'm not as actively
seeing clients, I am actually thinking about is that something
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that's in my character because I'm not much of a crier.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
What about stuff around your son? Like do you get
you know, I'm so emotional. I think it is birth
and things like that. Do you get did you get
weepy around that?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
A little weepy? But it's I tend to I just
tend to feel it and I don't. But it doesn't
always express in tears. And again I'm not sure whether
that expression in tears is years of habit or whether
that's something that I don't know. Like, so it's it's
a It's an interesting question.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Isn't it. I wonder if we should watch the notebook
and I'll attach you to the criometer. Oh, that's a
very good idea, and we electrocute you every few seconds
that you don't cry. You think that might work something
like that.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I just like the cryometer.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
I don't know where we insert the probe. I don't
go anywhere. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Someday we will do a podcast on the pinal for thissmograph.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
You know, wow, like a sphinctometer.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
It probably kind of kind of is Amanda. I'll tell
you about it later. Let's move on, shall we to
Trudy Ralph's question about our love of fairy porn and
dragon porn books about what we find appealing about them.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Wow, I know you.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Start an eat it because you We had a mutual
friend who had said, oh, you'll love the fairy porn,
and I thought, I hate sci fi. I'm not into that.
And then you said, actually give it a go, because
you had it, you quite liked it.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I did, and I come at it quite as well. Yeah,
quite honestly in that I loved The Lord of the
Rings and you know all that kind of I am
a sci fi person, and so when our mutual friend
kind of said, oh read this, you know, I was
kind of a little hesitant, but I just loved it
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and it's it is fun and it is it is
like a harlequin romance or what was the Mills and Boom, Yeah,
the equivalent is and it is. There's it's sex, and
it's and it's kind of innocent in that. There's always
that in the you know, there's always a funny little
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plot twist. But the you know, the damsel is actually
a strong female figure and you know, she has a
you know, she wins the male. You know, she wins
the love and he lives wins her love, and it's
this amazing thing.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
So I don't know, you what, there's a lot to
love in them, and you're right about the female is
often the really strong one, and he loves her, and
all the books are the same. He loves her because
she's strong and feisty, although she's exceptionally gorgeous as well.
Of course, because I hate Lord of the Rings. There
I've said it. I don't like Lord of the Rings.
I don't like any of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Said that, there are things that we that we agreed
on in the big things. Add that to the list,
out to the list man and so.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
But having said that, I've shocked myself at how swept
away I was with these other worlds that have been
created in these books. The sexiness is brilliant, the will
they weren't they went will that. The hot sex is brilliant,
But the worlds that they have created, I would never
have dipped into that world if not for the sexiness
of these books. And that's what a lot of people
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have said. It's brought women back to reading. M hmm,
because a lot of people are women are busy social media,
blah blah blah. The sexiness of these books has has
has given a reading a real boost because there's a
lot in those stories to love. Oh agreed, hard agree,
and I do mean hard.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Shall we move on to Tobias's question? Who who asks about?
What does kindness look like for each of us? What
does it look like to you? Amanda?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Let me ask you what I mean. Everyone says be kind,
we want the world to be kind. It's that word
has become very benign. I don't know, it's almost blah.
What does the word kind mean? I want the world
to be kind, I'd like to be kind, but what
does it mean?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I've got when I was thinking about this question, I
had two thoughts is that my mom's definition of being
polite was just about being kind to somebody, like making
them feel comfortable in the world. And so I think,
you know, when I think about kindness, I think about
what can we do to go and make somebody feel comfortable,
what can we do to make the world a little
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bit better of a place? And I the other thing
that I think about is this was a few years ago.
I was talking to one of the students and he
was asking whether he should contact this person or not,
and I said, of course you should, it would be
kind of you to do that, and he just looked
at me like kind of like oh, And it was
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kind of this revelation for him. And I remember, you know,
a year later him saying, you know, ever, it was
something about that I had said about like never turned
down an opportunity to be kind when you can, and
and he it was really meaningful for him, and it
just made me reflect about that, about that value that
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I have about being kindness.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
It's kind nice, Well, nice.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Nice is one of those words that I think is
quite vanilla, like very bland.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
It's kind, not nice, It's kind, kind deeper than nice.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Oh, kind is much deeper for me at least, is
much deeper than nice. It is that ability, it's part
of compassion. I think it's that I see you bit
of and if there's something I can do to ease
your sorrow, if it's there's something that I can do
to make your life a little go a little better,
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that's that to me, is what kindness means.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Remember when we spoke to the neo Nazi whod turned
his life around and was now helping people extract themselves
from those situations. It really struck me, and it struck
a chord with you guys too, because I haven't got
a number of comments on it, good and bad. But
the only way you can turn someone else's life around
is by dropping little beads of that kindness. And so
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maybe kindness is also seeing someone beyond the facade.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I think it's a really underrated quality in somebody. And
I think about the people that I love best in
my world, and they are kind. You are kind, Amanda.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
But not nice? Is that what you're saying? What a mole?
And so it turns.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
There we go, there we go. Yeah, I'm saying you're
kind to others, maybe not to me. So just Correene
just wanted, which I think is a very important question
part of what.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
What can it be? We've answered very porn.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Oh, I know. But she's asking about what kind of
tea we like to drink.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
For me, I'm an English breakfast drinker, but and I
don't have it with any milk. I've talked myself out
of having you have.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
When I first met you, you drank your tea with milk,
a lot.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Of milk, and a friend of ours, mutual friend of ours,
had decided she was going to just drop the dairy
from her milk, and she said that she didn't feel
bloated and all that kind of stuff. I haven't noticed
any physical differences, but for about three years, I haven't
had milk in my tea. And now if I put
milk in the tea tastes like it's sour cream. I'm
so used to having black tea and I love it.
My dad drinks black tea and he's always said, never
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assume you're going to be somewhere where there's milk. And
I've taken that on board, and some of my Harley,
my Harley, my husband who used to work in edit boots,
he said never assume there's going to be milk. Learn
to drink at black. So I do, and both my
kids drink long blacks from how disgusting I can't you know,
I'm like you, I'm not much of a coffee drinker,
but a long black just with that disgusting. But I
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used to have every year I try to like herbal
teas and I couldn't do it. I've turned a corner
on herbal teas. Now I love a peppermint tea. At home,
I will seek out a lemon ginger tea, a licorice tea.
I've become that person and even if I go out,
I'll sometimes have a peppermint tea and I stune myself with.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
That, Wow, you're an Earl Gray chick, And how come
I used to be? You know? I would just have
a cup of tea and it wouldn't really matter. It's
probably just a black tea. But I have just just
over the few last maybe five ten years, I've just
kind of moved to warrants a really strong bergamotty Earl
(27:35):
Gray tea. Like my favorite is a tea that I
get when I'm in Canada, and it's a stash tea
that is a bergamot, like a double bergamot, and then
it is. It's really tasty, and I have mine with milk.
I can have it without. I'm not like you. The
only herbal tea that I will have is something called
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Bengal Space.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Oh. I love that one. That's a nice one.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
That's a really nice one. And I really do like
a chai, like a like a real leaf chai. Yes,
oh yeah, I've got it. I've just found a really lovely,
sticky chi that I've been drinking for the last few
weeks and I really like it.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Do you make that at home?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I do? I do.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
See, I love a chai, but I'd never bother at home.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I will make a big pot of it and drink
it throughout the day if I'm working from home.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Oh nice, Yeah, it's very nice. Well, speaking of tea,
and maybe we wrap up with this one. This is
from Lissa Maria Giles. Hello. She said, are you both
ever thinking of hosting a high tea that we can
all come to and get to listen to you? Speaking live?
We did a show. We attended the Adelaide Podfest, which
is part of Adelaide Writers' Festival. I loved it. Loved it.
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But I love the idea of all of you guys
coming and drinking tea with us.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
We have to figure out how we're going to make
that halpen Amanda.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I love that idea. All right, we're going to put
our thinking kettles on about that one hundred episodes. Thank
you for being on the with us. Absolutely brilliant. We're
going to go and eat some of that cake. But
maybe we should just get to our glimmas. Let's do that, Anita,
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what's your glimmer?
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Oh? I was somebody had told me this the other
day and I thought, this can't be true.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
This isn't about Santa again. We've had that talk.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I was very sad for a very long time. No,
this was I am going to be a grandma again
in November, and I so that soon. Yeah, I mid November.
I can't believe. Wow, I know. Yeah, it's amazing and
I'm so excited about it. And I found out that
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the university that I work out has a two week
grandparent leave.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
That is so progressive, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I am so excited.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Is it just your uni?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I don't know, Like I was, like, I actually emailed
our human resources to say, is this actually a thing,
and do I can I have it? And I missed
out with logan to take that.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Leave because you didn't know about it.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Didn't know about it. So I am definitely taking it
and just making myself a total pest at my son
and daughter in law'st place.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
If your daughter in law was the optimum, would you
get at times eight or is it all just seen
one chunk?
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I have you never asked these questions? Yeah, inquiry minds
want to know that.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
No.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I think I would just get one, but I don't
know that I would take it with like, oh my god, I.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Think you'd be off and a cruised to New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yeah we've moved, Amanda. What's your glimmer?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
It might surprise you again that I have a very
shallow glimmer. One other thing that I do love to
drink is these Avalanche drinks that I get and you
can get them in you know, coffee and not even
coffee but iced this and like a.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Chocolate milky thing, like a hot chocolate but the dark.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Chocolate one hot chocolate one. You don't add any milk.
It's just and it's low calorie. Friend of mine who
was preparing for her wedding put me onto them. So
after dinner, if I'm just feeling like a little chocolate hit,
I'll have one of these and I bring them into
work and the other day. The packaging is this long
cylinder and normally you're supposed to rip it across the top.
(31:28):
I've never ever been able to just rip it across
the top. I try and rip it splits down the
side and it all goes everywhere like a tea cups,
like our tea cups. That's right. But yesterday I split
one across the top and I can't tell you how
satisfying that was. It was the highlight of my day.
(31:48):
I felt I've achieved something. The manufacturers of this item
have finally got it, got it right. Something about the
way I held it and ripped it. All the universe
aligned for it to work perfectly. And I'm very excited.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
And you didn't have to work around all day with that.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Hot chocolate powder on me. No, that's exactly all over
the bench, and you know here at work to say, well,
sorry about that, everybody, and same time, sorry about that everybody.
It's a small glimmer, but I think any glimmer is
a good glimmer. I think that sometimes can't all be
world peace in it.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
But you know, sometimes the smallest things are the things
that are actually more satisfying, like hitting a you know,
a series of green lights is like it's a Greek glimmer.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I remember when I was president, I had that. But
that's for another conversation. Well, thank you for joining us
for a hundredth I need it. There's a cake with
our names on it, and I'm going to shove it him,
my golden Let's
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Go and get that, Okay, love it, babe,
This podcast is for general information only and should not
be taken as psychological advice. Listeners should consult with their
healthcare professionals for specific medical advice.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello. I'm Amanda Keller and I'm Anita McGregor, and welcome
to Double a Chattering.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Welcome to our hundredth episode, one hundred episodes.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
What does that say to you, Anita, What do you
think of when you think of something that's got one
hundred episodes?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
It just like, in some ways it feels as though
we just started doing this yesterday, and there's this other
piece of me that feels as though we've been doing
this forever.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
And working in the media. I know that a hundred
is a big number. If you can reach a hundred
in any form of anything you're doing in the media,
that's a success story in the days where things come
and go and chop and change. I'm really proud of us, Anita,
that we've done a hundred, But this is with the
help of our teacups. Thank you for all the support
and the love you've given us, and their feedback and
(01:09):
the stuff you want to know and the story ideas.
It's helped us reach one hundred, and thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, I just I feel wonderfully supported by our teacups
and by you, Amanda, because this has been a journey
where I just I was really uncertain about what it
would look like and you were such a lovely guide.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Well, thank you. That's how used past tense it was done.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, Alissa, our producer has given us this incredible cake
to celebrate one hundred. There's colors in there you don't
see in nature, that's the great thing about that, but
to see them in my God before too long, Thank you,
thank you. The podcast came about because you and I
go on a daily walk, not as often these days
(01:58):
because I try and head down to the South coast
and often with you with me Anita, when I can
get a chance to get away. Life at homes tricky
with cares in the house and things, so if I
can get away for a breather, I will. But also,
you've moved away from being my next door neighbor pretty much,
so we still try and go out of our way
to meet each other for a weekend walk, but we
(02:19):
don't do both days. We used to do Saturday and Sunday.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Didn't we Well, it really depended on our schedules.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
And our hips, yes, and our hangovers, all of that, all.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Of that, but it's I really love that. I really
cherish our walks and I think that that has That
was actually one of the biggest worries when we moved,
was was that going to continue? And I think that
we've actually been able to manage that situation generally pretty well.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I think so too, And so all the stuff that
we talk about on our walks, I thought, gos, that'd
make an interesting podcast, and so I'm glad that Double
a Chattery was born from that. And to celebrate one hundred,
we've asked you to ask us anything, and I must
find you out. I'm so impressed by the caliber of
(03:08):
the questions that have come through. What emotional, smart, loving
people you are, and thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I've really enjoyed it. And some of them were real
head scratchers too, about thinking about how how would I
answer this? How do I feel about some of the.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Question nuclear medicine and your role in splitting the atom.
I thought i'd put that one over to you.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
We're not supposed to have this much shop silence.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Sorry, that's the longest we've ever gone without talking. Was
that moment of silence? Just then hmm, all right, well,
let's just pick a couple and make our way through
the ask me anythings? What do you reckon?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Oh? Lass? Should we just start with that first question?
To do it from Janine cunning House, who who's asks
about what we get from doing the podcast, and I'm
assuming doing it together?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
You know what I get from it from the minute that,
as I said earlier, than when we go for a
walk and I'll throw up a topic, or you'll throw
up a topic, but it'll be something that has been
in the news or something I've read, and you always
have something smart, empathetic and meaningful.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
To say about it, and really funny.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And empathetic and meaningful. And I've always that's what I
get from it, is that I get other people to
share from you what I get from you. And the
other beat to that is that I do a daily
radio show. I have other forms of media. I do
television and things, but this is a very different form.
(04:50):
This touches on topics that aren't conducive necessarily to breakfast radio,
or if they are, we have longer to talk about them.
And sometimes these are topics that it might have come
up on breakfast radio, but I can say, Anita, what
do you think about this? And we can deep dive
on something. So I get my my itch scratched of
wanting something metea from my broadcasting, and I get that
(05:15):
from this podcast. So over to you, Anita. I I'm beautiful.
No one's asked a question, why are you so beautiful?
I know I've written it for myself. I'll ask it later.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
That's the next questions.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
What you get nuclear medicine? I get ways, and yeah,
that's good.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Good for me. It's been this lovely, tiny glimpse into
your world.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Oh, in that.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
You know, I hear often about, well, I watch you
in your life where you're always kind of gleaning for
interesting topics. You're always thinking about what you're going to
be talking in the morning about in the morning, and you're,
you know, every day that you're on the radio. And
what a delightful challenge you know like it. I never
hear you speaking about it as being a grind and
(06:05):
and what it's been like to go and think about
the different topics that we can talk about and what
would actually make for what we hope is a good podcast,
and those kinds of things. I've been so, you know,
I mentioned it just now, But just so grateful to
be guided by your smart head about about this whole
(06:26):
idea about what media is. And I have been such
a private person in for most of my life based
on you know, because of what I've done witness protection,
midness protection, no, but just being a psychologist and living
a more private life. Is that this has been. It
(06:46):
feels like a really safe foray into this world.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
So nice appreciate. I've loved too, is that the way
you and I have tried to come up with topics
that I glean a whole lot of stuff that that
you you don't read through, and then you bring to
the table something from a psychology magazine, something from an
ethical dilemma you've read about. I think it's an interesting
combination of our two worlds. Yeah, As to the stuff
that we bring to the table, absolutely, it's been. It's
(07:12):
been such a fun thing. And sometimes you know, when
we're walking, we just we just lose it, you know,
as we're you know, talking about bladders, bladders, yes, and
thinking about what we can you know, how we would
bring you know, and there are some things that we
would never bring as a podcast that we talk about.
But man, it's just it's been really fun to kind
(07:34):
of find our way through that path. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
The next question is from Cheryl Mason, who asked about
how we met. What is your memory of how we met?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
You know, I remember Emmett in a kilt. I went
through the stones in Outland or I remember, so you
have a this is my memory because you saw me
on Telly before you met me. Yes, that's right. But
I first met you. I was a patron of a
(08:08):
charity for the children's hospital, that's right. And I had
booked a table and that's I think where I first
met you, because we had a mutual friend and Emmett
wore a killed and I thought how striking. And then yes,
I met you too there, but and maybe i'd met
you a bit earlier, but that's where I think we
started to single each other out.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, And it was it was I remember. I remember
that that charity event, and I remember us having some
great conversations and thinking it was really interesting and you know,
I'd never been to a charity event like that and
it was so interesting. And then we laughed and there
was all these people who were whispering next to us,
(08:50):
going that's Amanda Caller and me going, yeah, you know,
like because I didn't have the context for how you're
seen in Australian culture.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
You didn't even genuflect. And I was a little bit annoyed.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Well i've since then, yeah I have, thank you learned
how to do that.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
But you saw me on TV in the weirdest of circumstances.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
It was very strange because I had we had just
moved to to Cougie, and we'd had the all the
furniture and everything delivered, and I'd spent like a week
going and a couple of days going and putting everything
away and getting the kids into school and doing all
this stuff, this very new stuff, and I didn't know
(09:32):
a soul and I was sore, and I went to
go and get a massage from our mutual friend now Jackie,
and you didn't know her, but I did not know her.
And I was saying that new in the community, and
and she said, well, I'm I'm hosting this little soiree,
you know, to go and watch my friend on TV.
And I was thinking, that's kind of weird. And I
(09:53):
remember going to Emmett saying, I don't I don't know
how I feel about this, but I don't know anybody,
so maybe I'll just go and and I remember going
to her place and a few of our actually still
friends were there, and and Jackie was dressed up in
an outfit that was like, I think all drapes or something,
and it was just this bizarre gown. Yeah, it was
(10:16):
just this surreal evening, and I was like, I don't
know what I've gotten myself into. And then and then
there was that event, and then I think I don't
think that we've actually stopped.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Talking ever since or dancing, Anita, you very kindly have
never bought up my ballroom dancing or my charcha or
my whatever the other things I've blacked out, you know
how like men in Black they come up to and
they press that memory. But it's that's what I've done.
I went back years later to host the show, and
I loved that. They call that the Flying the Shiny
(10:47):
Floor Show or the Fliny Shore Show as I like
to call it. Absolutely why I'm good on TV. But
there's a real skill set that I've that I didn't have.
That I loved learning on a big live show.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
So you liked that better than the natural downce.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I like so much more being in control than being
a floundering fool. Go figure, Go figure, go figure. Yeah,
all right, so what else have we got here? Let
me have a look how about this one? Are there
any topics this is from Kerry Chriswill. Are there any
topics that you've agreed not to discuss?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
The only one that I can think of, Amanda, is
the around the topic of Harley is that that is
our private conversation. That is, I would never I can't
imagine that I would ever raise that topic as part
of our podcast. That's your that's your information.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
One of the first podcasts we did was you and
Me and Harley talking about his diagnosis, even though he'd
been diagnosed a few years before that with Parkinson's, and
he's sort of got the ugly cousin to Parkinson's. If
Parkinson's is horrendous enough, so it's tricky to share a
(12:05):
lot of it. But what I like about what we
do here is it if it comes up when we're
talking about relationships or talking about Glimmers or talking about
my sons, that's part of the conversation. But you have
never said, Hey, why don't we talk about what happened
with Harley on the weekend, or why don't we talk
about how you feel about so and so? You've never
(12:26):
put it on the table, and really neither of If
it comes up naturally, it comes up naturally. But that
probably is the only thing, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I can't really think about.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Because you and I are very good with our own
private cones of silence. If friends tell us something in private,
we don't share that stuff. And if you and I
discuss something in private, we have enough knowledge of each
other to know what's chattable and what isn't I think?
I think so too. You've never trodden on my toes.
I'd like to have I ever trodden on yours. Don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I can't remember a time where we haven't been really
respectful of each other's. Oh, our little vulnerabilities are a little. Yeah,
our private conversations, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Having said that, we do mine an enormous amount from
the stupidity of our lives.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Ain't that the truth?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
This is an interesting one from Kathy Booth. Are there
things that you totally and strongly disagree on and how
do you navigate that within your friendship?
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I think on some of the like most of the
big topics. I think that we are a pretty sympatic girl.
Our favorite spice girls say yeah, uh huh, that's where.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
You were going with that.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
That's where exactly where I was going without I don't
think I could name them, but I think that the
biggest difference in how we approach the world is around feedback.
And that's actually something that I've discovered through the podcast
is that I am like I love feedback. I love
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giving feedback. I love getting feedback. I teach master classes
on feedback at UNI. I do all these things and
you don't.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Like it, well, I'm happy for people for guidance, and
I say that hand on heart if someone. I often
say to our bosses, Hey, if you want this to
go differently, please just tell me. I'd rather know. But
I can't read personal feedback from the raw social media stuff.
I have to protect myself from us. I can't talk
(14:38):
for three hours a day. But I remember when I
wrote my book and I said to you, and you
said I'd like to read it, and I said sure,
and you said what form do you want the feedback?
And I went, I'm what, and we both kind of
and that's when I thought, you have a different approach
to things, and I think I was. I it's such
(14:59):
a t dramatic experience, not traumatic, it's a difficult spirit form. Well,
that's the what I'm looking for. So it wasn't like
I'd been said an assignment, so.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I was going to market. I had my rad pad in.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Everything was in your world of with students and things.
That's a big part of your world. It's a huge part,
and for a lot of people in the media it's
a big part as well. Choosing to look at every
bit of feedback. I'm too delicate to take a lot
of it on board because I would just collapse under
the weight of it. For broad brushstrokes of how people
(15:35):
want this podcast to go, I'd be happy for feedback
people who want my radio work to go, TV shows,
even just filming the piano again, which we're doing now.
I'd say to the executive producers, Hey, if you want
me to do this differently, please say so. And I
absolutely mean that, because it's hey, let's just amend the
words here, let's just change this a little bit. I'm
completely open to all of that, but the personal stuff
(15:57):
I just find too hard.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, So I think that's probably character wise. I think
that's probably our biggest difference.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, but is your world of feedback personal, because this
media world of feedback is personal?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Uh, good question. Yes, I mean what I find, like
if I was teaching about like if I was teaching engineering,
I mean, you know, the bridge holds up or it doesn't.
It's not a really personal thing. But when I give
feedback about somebody in the room with a client with
you know, one of my students in the room with
a client, is really hard not for that student not
(16:35):
to take it personally.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
But also what you do is you ask students I
find this extraordinary to say, it's almost like rate my teaching. Yep, God, yeah,
I could never be that vulnerable. And I have a system,
you know that we have a monitoring where when I
see a client, I ask them how they found the sesshion,
Like I find that that is one you know, when
(16:58):
you get that trust and and somebody actually telling you
we didn't talk about the things that I wanted to
talk about, or you know, I didn't like it when
you did that, Like that is so helpful, and you
know it would actually be It's one of those things
that keep people in the room is when they can
actually tell you the things that when you're doing well
or when there's something that you can change. And why
(17:20):
wouldn't I because considering my whole job is reliant on ratings,
He's me saying, don't give me any feedback. Quite extraordinary,
All right, extraordinarily stupid, But there it is. How about
this one? This one's from Julie Lee. My question is
about crying aman who seemed to be a crier. Absolutely, Anita,
you're not. And then she says maybe as I get older.
(17:43):
She says, I feel like crying, and I'm trying to
let myself not hide it as society suggests we should.
Sad news, movies, proud parents. What are your thoughts on this?
And are you okay with showing emotions? I blab, blob, blab,
go the blob. That's the word I'm looking for. I
struggle with my vowels. I go the blob at the
drop of a hat. And I hadn't even about you.
(18:06):
It hadn't even occurred to me, Anita, I really see
you cry.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
It's you know. I had a conversation the other day
with somebody who's crying, and they were very embarrassed that
they were in crying in front of me, And I
actually said it would be a goal for me to
actually cry more, because I've had thirty some years of
listening to clients and some really hard stuff, and I
(18:33):
have worked very hard at kind of holding that back.
So I don't know whether by my nature I'm a
crier or not, but I actually really it would be
a goal for me to go and cry more, to'd
be more vulnerable. And now that I'm not as actively
seeing clients, I am actually thinking about is that something
(18:54):
that's in my character because I'm not much of a crier.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
What about stuff around your son? Like do you get
you know, I'm so emotional. I think it is birth
and things like that. Do you get did you get
weepy around that?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
A little weepy? But it's I tend to I just
tend to feel it and I don't. But it doesn't
always express in tears. And again I'm not sure whether
that expression in tears is years of habit or whether
that's something that I don't know. Like, so it's it's
a It's an interesting question.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Isn't it. I wonder if we should watch the notebook
and I'll attach you to the criometer. Oh, that's a
very good idea, and we electrocute you every few seconds
that you don't cry. You think that might work something
like that.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I just like the cryometer.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
I don't know where we insert the probe. I don't
go anywhere. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Someday we will do a podcast on the pinal for thissmograph.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
You know, wow, like a sphinctometer.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
It probably kind of kind of is Amanda. I'll tell
you about it later. Let's move on, shall we to
Trudy Ralph's question about our love of fairy porn and
dragon porn books about what we find appealing about them.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Wow, I know you.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Start an eat it because you We had a mutual
friend who had said, oh, you'll love the fairy porn,
and I thought, I hate sci fi. I'm not into that.
And then you said, actually give it a go, because
you had it, you quite liked it.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I did, and I come at it quite as well. Yeah,
quite honestly in that I loved The Lord of the
Rings and you know all that kind of I am
a sci fi person, and so when our mutual friend
kind of said, oh read this, you know, I was
kind of a little hesitant, but I just loved it
(20:45):
and it's it is fun and it is it is
like a harlequin romance or what was the Mills and Boom, Yeah,
the equivalent is and it is. There's it's sex, and
it's and it's kind of innocent in that. There's always
that in the you know, there's always a funny little
(21:08):
plot twist. But the you know, the damsel is actually
a strong female figure and you know, she has a
you know, she wins the male. You know, she wins
the love and he lives wins her love, and it's
this amazing thing.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
So I don't know, you what, there's a lot to
love in them, and you're right about the female is
often the really strong one, and he loves her, and
all the books are the same. He loves her because
she's strong and feisty, although she's exceptionally gorgeous as well.
Of course, because I hate Lord of the Rings. There
I've said it. I don't like Lord of the Rings.
I don't like any of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Said that, there are things that we that we agreed
on in the big things. Add that to the list,
out to the list man and so.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
But having said that, I've shocked myself at how swept
away I was with these other worlds that have been
created in these books. The sexiness is brilliant, the will
they weren't they went will that. The hot sex is brilliant,
But the worlds that they have created, I would never
have dipped into that world if not for the sexiness
of these books. And that's what a lot of people
(22:14):
have said. It's brought women back to reading. M hmm,
because a lot of people are women are busy social media,
blah blah blah. The sexiness of these books has has
has given a reading a real boost because there's a
lot in those stories to love. Oh agreed, hard agree,
and I do mean hard.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Shall we move on to Tobias's question? Who who asks about?
What does kindness look like for each of us? What
does it look like to you? Amanda?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Let me ask you what I mean. Everyone says be kind,
we want the world to be kind. It's that word
has become very benign. I don't know, it's almost blah.
What does the word kind mean? I want the world
to be kind, I'd like to be kind, but what
does it mean?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I've got when I was thinking about this question, I
had two thoughts is that my mom's definition of being
polite was just about being kind to somebody, like making
them feel comfortable in the world. And so I think,
you know, when I think about kindness, I think about
what can we do to go and make somebody feel comfortable,
what can we do to make the world a little
(23:31):
bit better of a place? And I the other thing
that I think about is this was a few years ago.
I was talking to one of the students and he
was asking whether he should contact this person or not,
and I said, of course you should, it would be
kind of you to do that, and he just looked
at me like kind of like oh, And it was
(23:51):
kind of this revelation for him. And I remember, you know,
a year later him saying, you know, ever, it was
something about that I had said about like never turned
down an opportunity to be kind when you can, and
and he it was really meaningful for him, and it
just made me reflect about that, about that value that
(24:13):
I have about being kindness.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
It's kind nice, Well, nice.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Nice is one of those words that I think is
quite vanilla, like very bland.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
It's kind, not nice, It's kind, kind deeper than nice.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Oh, kind is much deeper for me at least, is
much deeper than nice. It is that ability, it's part
of compassion. I think it's that I see you bit
of and if there's something I can do to ease
your sorrow, if it's there's something that I can do
to make your life a little go a little better,
(24:48):
that's that to me, is what kindness means.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Remember when we spoke to the neo Nazi whod turned
his life around and was now helping people extract themselves
from those situations. It really struck me, and it struck
a chord with you guys too, because I haven't got
a number of comments on it, good and bad. But
the only way you can turn someone else's life around
is by dropping little beads of that kindness. And so
(25:14):
maybe kindness is also seeing someone beyond the facade.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I think it's a really underrated quality in somebody. And
I think about the people that I love best in
my world, and they are kind. You are kind, Amanda.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
But not nice? Is that what you're saying? What a mole?
And so it turns.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
There we go, there we go. Yeah, I'm saying you're
kind to others, maybe not to me. So just Correene
just wanted, which I think is a very important question
part of what.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
What can it be? We've answered very porn.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Oh, I know. But she's asking about what kind of
tea we like to drink.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
For me, I'm an English breakfast drinker, but and I
don't have it with any milk. I've talked myself out
of having you have.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
When I first met you, you drank your tea with milk,
a lot.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Of milk, and a friend of ours, mutual friend of ours,
had decided she was going to just drop the dairy
from her milk, and she said that she didn't feel
bloated and all that kind of stuff. I haven't noticed
any physical differences, but for about three years, I haven't
had milk in my tea. And now if I put
milk in the tea tastes like it's sour cream. I'm
so used to having black tea and I love it.
My dad drinks black tea and he's always said, never
(26:31):
assume you're going to be somewhere where there's milk. And
I've taken that on board, and some of my Harley,
my Harley, my husband who used to work in edit boots,
he said never assume there's going to be milk. Learn
to drink at black. So I do, and both my
kids drink long blacks from how disgusting I can't you know,
I'm like you, I'm not much of a coffee drinker,
but a long black just with that disgusting. But I
(26:53):
used to have every year I try to like herbal
teas and I couldn't do it. I've turned a corner
on herbal teas. Now I love a peppermint tea. At home,
I will seek out a lemon ginger tea, a licorice tea.
I've become that person and even if I go out,
I'll sometimes have a peppermint tea and I stune myself with.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
That, Wow, you're an Earl Gray chick, And how come
I used to be? You know? I would just have
a cup of tea and it wouldn't really matter. It's
probably just a black tea. But I have just just
over the few last maybe five ten years, I've just
kind of moved to warrants a really strong bergamotty Earl
(27:35):
Gray tea. Like my favorite is a tea that I
get when I'm in Canada, and it's a stash tea
that is a bergamot, like a double bergamot, and then
it is. It's really tasty, and I have mine with milk.
I can have it without. I'm not like you. The
only herbal tea that I will have is something called
(27:55):
Bengal Space.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Oh. I love that one. That's a nice one.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
That's a really nice one. And I really do like
a chai, like a like a real leaf chai. Yes,
oh yeah, I've got it. I've just found a really lovely,
sticky chi that I've been drinking for the last few
weeks and I really like it.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Do you make that at home?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I do? I do.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
See, I love a chai, but I'd never bother at home.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I will make a big pot of it and drink
it throughout the day if I'm working from home.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Oh nice, Yeah, it's very nice. Well, speaking of tea,
and maybe we wrap up with this one. This is
from Lissa Maria Giles. Hello. She said, are you both
ever thinking of hosting a high tea that we can
all come to and get to listen to you? Speaking live?
We did a show. We attended the Adelaide Podfest, which
is part of Adelaide Writers' Festival. I loved it. Loved it.
(28:44):
But I love the idea of all of you guys
coming and drinking tea with us.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
We have to figure out how we're going to make
that halpen Amanda.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I love that idea. All right, we're going to put
our thinking kettles on about that one hundred episodes. Thank
you for being on the with us. Absolutely brilliant. We're
going to go and eat some of that cake. But
maybe we should just get to our glimmas. Let's do that, Anita,
(29:18):
what's your glimmer?
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Oh? I was somebody had told me this the other
day and I thought, this can't be true.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
This isn't about Santa again. We've had that talk.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I was very sad for a very long time. No,
this was I am going to be a grandma again
in November, and I so that soon. Yeah, I mid November.
I can't believe. Wow, I know. Yeah, it's amazing and
I'm so excited about it. And I found out that
(29:49):
the university that I work out has a two week
grandparent leave.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
That is so progressive, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I am so excited.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Is it just your uni?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I don't know, Like I was, like, I actually emailed
our human resources to say, is this actually a thing,
and do I can I have it? And I missed
out with logan to take that.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Leave because you didn't know about it.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Didn't know about it. So I am definitely taking it
and just making myself a total pest at my son
and daughter in law'st place.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
If your daughter in law was the optimum, would you
get at times eight or is it all just seen
one chunk?
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I have you never asked these questions? Yeah, inquiry minds
want to know that.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
No.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I think I would just get one, but I don't
know that I would take it with like, oh my god, I.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Think you'd be off and a cruised to New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yeah we've moved, Amanda. What's your glimmer?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
It might surprise you again that I have a very
shallow glimmer. One other thing that I do love to
drink is these Avalanche drinks that I get and you
can get them in you know, coffee and not even
coffee but iced this and like a.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Chocolate milky thing, like a hot chocolate but the dark.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Chocolate one hot chocolate one. You don't add any milk.
It's just and it's low calorie. Friend of mine who
was preparing for her wedding put me onto them. So
after dinner, if I'm just feeling like a little chocolate hit,
I'll have one of these and I bring them into
work and the other day. The packaging is this long
cylinder and normally you're supposed to rip it across the top.
(31:28):
I've never ever been able to just rip it across
the top. I try and rip it splits down the
side and it all goes everywhere like a tea cups,
like our tea cups. That's right. But yesterday I split
one across the top and I can't tell you how
satisfying that was. It was the highlight of my day.
(31:48):
I felt I've achieved something. The manufacturers of this item
have finally got it, got it right. Something about the
way I held it and ripped it. All the universe
aligned for it to work perfectly. And I'm very excited.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
And you didn't have to work around all day with that.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Hot chocolate powder on me. No, that's exactly all over
the bench, and you know here at work to say, well,
sorry about that, everybody, and same time, sorry about that everybody.
It's a small glimmer, but I think any glimmer is
a good glimmer. I think that sometimes can't all be
world peace in it.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
But you know, sometimes the smallest things are the things
that are actually more satisfying, like hitting a you know,
a series of green lights is like it's a Greek glimmer.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I remember when I was president, I had that. But
that's for another conversation. Well, thank you for joining us
for a hundredth I need it. There's a cake with
our names on it, and I'm going to shove it him,
my golden Let's
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Go and get that, Okay, love it, babe,
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